Amber Alert issued for Haleigh Cummings, 4

[MC30]

so is ron

[Dneilz]

Then maybe my initial thoughts about ron were correct?? hmmm

[MC30]

groovy, you got kids?

[mystery]

here is a link to a news video clip where Lindsey(Tommy's wife)is talking about moving and selling their stuff because they don't feel safe where they are. It was aired while Misty and Ron were still married. Didn't know if you had seen it or not.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/haleigh-cummings-aunt-lindsey-wife-of-hank-jr/96475ba98dcfbb7a642d96475ba98dcfbb7a642d-1692946597402

[Rhoni]

Ron's in general population?? I wonder why they let him? It must mean he is not involved,,,cause if it came out that he harmed his baby, & he was in gen pop wouldn't they beat him down for that? I would think they have to responsible for his safety while he is in their custody. Or maybe he has a better shot of getting a hold of some drugs or put a hit out on the Croslins or play card with his buddies. But he says he has nothing to fear so maybe he is in the clear.

Or maybe he wants to look innocent. Remember he is a tough guy. Everyone fears him. This is just county jail not prison.. I just can't let go of the feeling I have that he is involved, if even after the fact. I can NOT believe that he never forced misty to tell him what happened. I am just not buying that.

[groovy135]

groovy, you got kids?



Hi momma!!

I have a step-son and a step-daughter and 5 grandkids,,,how about you?

[groovy135]

Or maybe he wants to look innocent. Remember he is a tough guy. Everyone fears him. This is just county jail not prison.. I just can't let go of the feeling I have that he is involved, if even after the fact. I can NOT believe that he never forced misty to tell him what happened. I am just not buying that.


Rhonzoni!!!!

I'm glad you said this. It bothers me that he was such a Rage-aholic, I can't believe he would not have beatin' the ever livin' crap outta Muffdiver to tell him the truth. Or why he didn't drive to Tenn. and stomp the hell out Cousin Joe,,,he has been way too passive. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize but as the say something is "hinky" about him.

[Rhoni]

Rhonzoni!!!!

I'm glad you said this. It bothers me that he was such a Rage-aholic, I can't believe he would not have beatin' the ever livin' crap outta Muffdiver to tell him the truth. Or why he didn't drive to Tenn. and stomp the hell out Cousin Joe,,,he has been way too passive. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize but as the say something is "hinky" about him.

None of it makes sense Groovy...Everyone keeps saying how afraid of ron they are. How he has this big bad temper ...We heard it on the 911 tape. There is NO WAY he would be passive. No one can tell me he believed misty didnt know what happened. I agree he would have kicked her ass and everyone elses until he had answers. He knows or was involved. Like I said take them all to the boat dock...Lets use them for Gator bait :)

[groovy135]

SM,


Teresa has left the building?

2010 CC 000544 -- COURTNEY VILLAGES LLC vs. HANKINS, JEFF et alJudge: BOYLSTON, RICHARD W Date Filed: 2/8/2010
Case Type: County Civil Case Status: Closed

Date Ref. Docket Text Images
3/10/2010 14 WRIT OF POSSESSION RETURNED POSTED ON 030510
3/4/2010 13 WRIT OF POSSESSION ISSUED AND DELIVERED TO THE LAKE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE - PM
2/25/2010 12 FINAL JUDGMENT OF EVICTION FILED AND RECORDED as to JEFF HANKINS and TERESA NEVES // 02.25.10
2/24/2010 11 CLERK'S DEFAULT ENTERED as to JEFF HANKINS and TERESA NEVES
2/22/2010 10.01 DEFENDANT TERESA NEVES' COPY OF EVICTION SUMMONS RETURNED UNDELIVERABLE
2/22/2010 10 MOTION FOR DEFAULT AS TO JEFF HANKINS and TERESA NEVES (TIME HAS NOT EXPIRED)
2/22/2010 9 MOTION FOR FINAL JUDGMENT FOR POSSESSION - RESIDENTIAL EVICTION - COUNT I AS TO JEFF HANKINS and TERESA NEVES
2/17/2010 8 5 DAY TENANT EVICTION SUMMONS RETURNED POSTED AS TO JEFF HANKINS / 021210
2/17/2010 7 5 DAY TENANT EVICTION SUMMONS RETURNED POSTED AS TO TERESA NEVES / 021210
2/16/2010 6 DEFENDANT, JEFF HANKINS COPY OF THE EVICTION SUMMONS RETURNED "MOVED LEFT NO ADDRESS UNABLE TO FORWARD"
2/10/2010 5 CERTIFICATE OF MAILING
2/10/2010 4 5 DAY TENANT EVICTION SUMMONS ISSUED TO TERESA NEVES AND DELIVERED TO EXPERT
2/10/2010 3 5 DAY TENANT EVICTION SUMMONS ISSUED TO JEFF HANKINS AND DELIVERED TO EXPERT
2/9/2010 ISSUING SUMMONS / COUNTY CIVIL Receipt: 219031 Date: 02/09/2010
2/8/2010 2 CHECK LIST
2/8/2010 1 COMPLAINT FOR TENANT EVICTION
2/8/2010 FILING FEE ASSESSED - TENANT EVICTION COUNTY CIVIL Receipt: 219031 Date: 02/09/2010

http://lakecountyclerk.org/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=21707573

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124338

Haleigh Cummings – More About Cousin Joe And Hank Senior

Posted on April 17th, 2010
by Simon Barrett in crime


I have no idea if this tape has any bearing on anything. It is more information regarding Cousin Joe.

Again I will leave it up to listeners to determine what it means.

I for one am not buying into the Cousin Joe story, but it is clear that from the outset he was the favorite scapegoat by Ronald Cummings. But if Cousin Joe was the person responsible for the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings I just feel that the PCSO would have put him under a good deal of pressure. And that has not happened. They had no problem snagging Misty, Tommy, Ronald, and a couple of other bit players in a drug scheme, I am sure that they could run a similar operation against Cousin Joe.

Anyway, listen at your own peril, VERY STRONG LANGUAGE.

Tape. http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/WS_30005.WMA

Simon Barrett

[MC30]

Hi momma!!

I have a step-son and a step-daughter and 5 grandkids,,,how about you?

i got one crazy..
imagine one of those kiddo's gettin' 'stole'....what would groovy do? :hello:

[MadmamainNC]

Ron's in general population?? I wonder why they let him? It must mean he is not involved,,,cause if it came out that he harmed his baby, & he was in gen pop wouldn't they beat him down for that? I would think they have to responsible for his safety while he is in their custody. Or maybe he has a better shot of getting a hold of some drugs or put a hit out on the Croslins or play card with his buddies. But he says he has nothing to fear so maybe he is in the clear.

KC wants in GP too. I'm not letting go of this yet. First off, they know the Anthony case as well as we do. He would know what to say or do to throw off suspicion still.
Like his latest about there still being hope. Yeah and KC said the same thing after J. Blanchard Park.
And he still has something to fear if others think he's guilty right?


Rhoni I'm hanging on tight to you and CrazyMomma cause we're like dogs with a bone on this guy. That way if someone hits us, I don't get the brunt of the stick.

[groovy135]

i got one crazy..
imagine one of those kiddo's gettin' 'stole'....what would groovy do? :hello:

Groovy would become like Cobra on acid (j/k),,,that's the worst part of reading about these stories, thinking about what if you were in the shoes of some of these families,,,((shudders)) I can't even go there,,,,

[MC30]

well, i just don't think I would get married, move out, and get a tattoo...but thats just me

[MadmamainNC]

Also, Granny Hollars reminds me of Roy Kronk's ex with the way she went on about him.
She showed no emotion. And Dang Granny, you're throwing your grandson under the bus, you'd think you'd shed a tear or something? Even if he did it, you'd think you'd show more than this Ma Barker cold hearted emotion.

And why do people with no teeth always have to stick their tongues out when they talk?
Just curious. I even practiced on my own mouth with REAL teeth. And I don't stick my tongue out when I speak.. What are they licking, Phantom Chompers?

[Rhoni]

well, i just don't think I would get married, move out, and get a tattoo...but thats just me

Marriage is a celebration. Who celebrates a missing child? I know one person I can name.. casey a. Imagine that. Like I said ron reminds me a lot of casey in that aspect. When he got his tattoo he talked about how much money people were sending..Maybe this is how Florida people react to missing children? Sorry people of Florida I didn't really mean that. It's just so damn frustrating that a bunch of people on a crime site care more about these presumed missing kids than their own parents do.

My kitten has been missing for 5 days and I show way more worry and sadness about a cat then either of these people show for their own flesh and blood. I spent hours and days walking and driving all over...calling places placing adds. I didn't see ron or casey anthony do anything except celebrate in one way or another and collect money..

Ok yes ron got on a horse once..WOW Maybe he helped more than once I really don't care. He did a lot more negative shit than positive IMO. I think people a lot of times prove their guilt in their actions..A prime example... scott peterson sold Lacey's car not long after she goes missing... You talk to people with a missing person and they keep everything the same for years just in case that person comes back...Ok I will stop rambling ..for now!!

[MadmamainNC]

Can't sleep

Rhoni, I'm sorry you still haven't found your kitty. I will keep saying a prayer.

You all remember when Neckochan (Nay-nay) went missing and I was so upset? And then when he came home he was beaten to hell hence the Dear Bitch Ass Kitty Letter in Dear So and So? It hit me really hard then, how upset I was over my cat (who now is R.I.P) than that cold hearted bitch was over her child. And I see the same in him -sorry, I feel he was badly acting for acting badly.

What confirms my feelings is the wedding, the tat etc. Now I can see getting the tat, because people do that but keep it private. You don't show it off as if to say "Look at me...this is how people mourn..right?". And besides, I would get the tat only AFTER knowing my child was gone. As a MEMORIAL!
And then the wedding -he was flaunting this to the public. Hot for his young bride. He showed more towards her than he did towards his daughter. There was something profoundly vulgar about the whole ordeal. Look at me on video proposing. Look world, we're getting married -maybe send us money?. Look at us! LOOK AT US is all it screamed. And WHY? Why did he marry her? Why was he trying so desperately to protect her image? He made it clear he wanted to prove to the world he believed her. So why such a strong stance? And I don't want to hear because they're moron rednecks. We know that, but even rednecks feel for their loved ones.
He did it because she could get out of testifying against him and he against her. Why they got divorced is beyond me...well not really but I still say it was for show.

This Joe Overstreet crap is all that. And I don't think Misty did it because Haleigh caught her pumpin' uglies with her flesh and blood. I think Joe is the scapegoat and I believe Tommy helped dispose of the body. When it happened could have been just before work. Misty wasn't the only druggie in that household. Misty also wasn't the one with the horrible anger issues.

The other thing. Why does NG act like if the child ate a pill it's all Misty's fault? Did she NOT see Ron in the back of that car? I want to hit her upside the head sometimes! Sheesh!

[Lizard]

Jesus Christ. Normally, I'm one of those insane people that would get labeled "a liberal" and who wants everyone to shut up so the justice system can do the work it is meant to do. But sometimes there are instances I'd like someone to give me a big stick of wood, put me in a room with someone who might have knowledge of a crime that may have been committed, and tell me to fucking go to town.

This is one of them.

I think we all know that this child is dead. Knowing what happened to her should not require this amount of time. Let us find her (or what is left of her) and bury her, for fuck's sake. As for you fucktards who led to her demise or just got your 15 minutes of fame on her death's coattails...let you get what you deserve.

Jesus Christ.

[myra manes]

Also, Granny Hollars reminds me of Roy Kronk's ex with the way she went on about him.
She showed no emotion. And Dang Granny, you're throwing your grandson under the bus, you'd think you'd shed a tear or something? Even if he did it, you'd think you'd show more than this Ma Barker cold hearted emotion.

And why do people with no teeth always have to stick their tongues out when they talk?
Just curious. I even practiced on my own mouth with REAL teeth. And I don't stick my tongue out when I speak.. What are they licking, Phantom Chompers?


:rofl:

[groovy135]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7592.0;attach=1367 0;image

Here's a picture of Crystal Cummings, Ron's sister. It doesn't say when this was taken, but I'm guessing it's fairly recent. This is a vast improvement over the mop top of curls we almost had seizures laughing at LOL This would be almost passable if she just left off the Medusa-like swirls of hair at the top, well all I can say is,,, at least is seems Crystal spends all of her cash on extravagant hairdos instead of drugs, or maybe she carries her stash of drugs buried inside her head-top bouffant!

[groovy135]

I never saw these pictures of Haleigh,,I hope they have not been posted already because they are so disturbing,,poor baby.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/haleigh-abuseornormalmaybethefallat.jpg



http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h009.jpg



http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h007-1.jpg



http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h006-1.jpg




http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h005-1.jpg





http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h003-1.jpg


http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h002-2.jpg


Maybe they are from when they "said" she fell at the playground?

Edited,,,guess are not from playground,,this was on SM,,


The photo's of Haleigh - that is not a playground incident - accident. Her face in these photo's just rips me in 1/2.

[MadmamainNC]

I don't see a picture Groovster!

Anyway, I think she's got Joy envy after watching too many episodes of My Name Is Earl.

[MadmamainNC]

The nose boo-boo is from the playground incident if I'm not mistaken. But damn... looks like she was attacked by a bush or something. She has scratches all over her face. Unless she landed in that rubber mulch they now use around the equipment.
Poor baby! It hurts just looking at that.

[myra manes]

8(
'
'
'
'
'

Awful ..

[groovy135]

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=507681472&blogId=532783550

Here is BB12's blog from Saturday 4/17/10,,,looks like she is updating it every day now,,,some items snipped,,,


Terry Shoemaker, Ronald's attorney said,that Law Enforcement (LE) told Ron Cummings to be prepared to make funeral arrangements. "LE kinda told Ron the direction that this investigation is heading in." Schoemaker said that Ron has always suspected Joe Overstreet.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid50619440001?bctid=78620221001
[Click for a larger view]
The cinder blocks are significant as Tommy has reported to law enforcement that Haleigh Cummings body had been wrapped up, tied with a yellow rope, then dropped into the St. Johns River. The blocks, along with additional evidence have been transported for forensic analysis.

What if Misty is a pathological liar like Casey Anthony. Misty kills HaLeigh in a rage. Jealous about the attention HaLeigh gets or how Misty is stuck babysitting and not living the life of partying. Misty kills HaLeigh in a rage. HaLeigh peed the bed, so, says Misty) Then tells Ron, she woke up and HaLeigh was gone, Ron makes her call 911, stories are forming as Misty goes along. Disappearing Act. Later, when Ron figures it out, (Misty killed HaLeigh) Misty tells RON, it is YOUR fault not mine, you left your pills out and she died because of you, you will go to jail. Ron believes this and keeps quiet. Later Ron learns about Tommy, and leaves him the headless rat in the mail box. ALL need to keep quiet because of drugs and culpability. JOE is an innocent pasty. Misty never even mentions his name until day 9. Ron never said a word about JOE.
Just a thought


Sociopath - pathological liars. IMO


Credit to TheINNsider for sending me this tidbit of FACTS: Flagler Beach FL 1993-1994 Jeremy Miller, alleged brutal rape of Misty Cummings, potential pattern of lying to LE. Misty was allegedly raped at 13 by her then boyfriend, 16. He went to prison and is still there. Lisa C got money to send Misty to therapy but sent her to Michigan instead. Lisa partied away the money. Some people believe that the Jeremy Miller case is classic example of Misty's ability to lie to LE. Someone who has talked to "witnesses" in that case say no screams, no defensive wounds Misty & Jeremy were allegedly still an item until he went to prison. When Misty talks about Michigan...this is what she's saying. He is in prison due to Misty rape allegations. Misty and Lisa made written statements, it just never went to trial.


Terry Shoemaker, Ronald's attorney said, Ron put a written request into Sheriff Hardy, to be moved into General Population, and it was granted today. Terry was *NOT with Ron when LE briefed Ron and his family on Wednesday. *This says a lot* (as of a few months ago, Ron was still standing by Misty) Terry aid Ron just [/B[B]]want closure now. Profiler says she believes Ron has known for some time that HaLeigh is deceased. Terry said Misty did not make the 911 call until Ron either pulled in the drive way or until Ron made Misty.
..
Lg Van Leave Late this afternoon sources inside the investigation have confirmed that Misty Croslin, was brought back to the scene a third time.

IMAGE is of Misty Croslin leaving in the white SUV.
[Click for a larger view]
.. We have been hopeful that we could gauge her reactions from the scene, as well as the possibility she might actually tell us the truth, as we have been straight up we are not leaving without what we came for... “.. The consensus is she is more interested in what was told to us by an unamed individual..”

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/04/14/haleigh-cummings-case-sources-say-we-are-close/

Former FBI agent, Steve Brown, gave an interview with WKMG in which he stated he was the one that provided the tip to the Sheriff’s department that led to the search. Mr. Brown claims that he has been conducting a 10-month long investigation into the disappearance of Haleigh on behalf of Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mother. In the interview with WKMG Mr. Brown definitively stated he knows what happened to Haleigh on February 9, 2009, the night she disappeared.

While Mr. Brown was careful not to reveal any of the specific information he knows, or has shared with the Sheriff’s department, he did make some telling statements during the interview. Mr. Brown does not believe that Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s father, had anything to do with what happened to her that night. But he could not say the same thing about Misty Cummings, Ronald’s girlfriend at the time and babysitter of Haleigh on the night Misty claims Haleigh just disappeared while Misty slept. In fact, Mr. Brown states: Misty certainly knows what happened in the trailer that night.

Mr. Brown also goes on to state that he believes an arrest is soon to come and while there may be additional people involved in the overall crime (be it the death, or disposal of Haleigh) he states: …but as to who killed Haleigh, that’s not going to be a big surprise.

[groovy135]

Just for shits and giggles,,a blast to the past. The Crystal Curly Top,,,a homage to the Cowardly Lion in the Wizard of Oz!

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/HAIR2.jpg

[MadmamainNC]

Just for shits and giggles,,a blast to the past. The Crystal Curly Top,,,a homage to the Cowardly Lion in the Wizard of Oz!

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/HAIR2.jpg

I think she bought that cause it's almost impossible to get those curls. Looks like a wig with some sheen on the bangs. I don't think she got it from Zsa Zsa's collection though. :proud2:

OMG these people make me sick. It's a whole 'nother breed of redneck inbred.

Did anyone post the message Kayla posted on that guys blog? Forget his name. The one who's causing (unwittingly) all the problems for Judge Strickland.
Anyway, she calls her Granny a liar! Said she's out for fame and money.


From Kayla
I am Joe Overstreet sister,granddaughter of Flora Hollars..Before yall go and start beleiveing all these stories that Joe had somethingt o do with Haleigh yall need to relize who’s stories has cahnged everytime they have talk to someone..Now my Grandmother want ot get involved yall can’t beleive her either she is just out to try and get some money out of people..She is already receiveing money from alot of people in flordia that is the only reason she is talking..One mintue she willl tell Joe that she knows he didn’t do it then turn around and tell Misty and tommy the same thing..Joe is innocent,he had nothing to do with this..He was on vacation and was planned to leave on Feb. 10 2009 just as he did.. He did not just up and leave he talk to the police before he left..Misty nd Tommy and also my grandmother is crazy..Before the law beleives anything that my grandmother flora Hollars say they need to do a drug test on her to make sure she is not doped up and knows what she is talking about… She is only out to try and get a reward… She will change her story just as much as Tommy and Misty will..My brother was just in the worng place at the wrong time..He is a good guy. Tommy and Misty just thinks they will get a pled if they try and blame it on someone else..And also if Tommy made the call to my Grandmother that him and Joe had done that to Haleigh why was that phone call not recorded all the rest of them are..I would not put it pasted my grandmother to make something like that up..She is a very selfish lady that is just out for money and attention…
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/talk-to-tommy/comment-page-1/#comment-122369


^ that is a direct copy. Not my typo's..lol

[Rhoni]

Just for shits and giggles,,a blast to the past. The Crystal Curly Top,,,a homage to the Cowardly Lion in the Wizard of Oz!

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/HAIR2.jpg

hahaha Groovy, you remember when we had the whole anthony family , bj and even the squirrels wearing the look??


http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=408&pictureid=5189

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=408&pictureid=5175
If you want to see more they are all on my profile in an album

[groovy135]

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=507681472&blogId=532783550


Credit to TheINNsider for sending me this tidbit of FACTS: Flagler Beach FL 1993-1994 Jeremy Miller, alleged brutal rape of Misty Cummings, potential pattern of lying to LE. Misty was allegedly raped at 13 by her then boyfriend, 16. He went to prison and is still there. Lisa C got money to send Misty to therapy but sent her to Michigan instead. Lisa partied away the money. Some people believe that the Jeremy Miller case is classic example of Misty's ability to lie to LE. Someone who has talked to "witnesses" in that case say no screams, no defensive wounds Misty & Jeremy were allegedly still an item until he went to prison. When Misty talks about Michigan...this is what she's saying. He is in prison due to Misty rape allegations. Misty and Lisa made written statements, it just never went to trial.


Excuse my ignorance,,I never heard of someone being sent to PRISON without a trial. Malo's and Loaded's written statements sent him??? If he was 16, wasn't he a juvie, shouldn't he be out by now,,that was 5 years ago?? If I were Jeremy Miller or his family I would be watching this case closely.

She uses the Rape card very liberally, doesn't she,,Tommy "messed w/ her",,, didn't Cousin Joe rape her too,,why didn't she have him prosecuted as well?? Why would she let a rape artist (Cousin Joe) around an innocent 5 year old girl?? Why didn't she have Ron dispense street justice to him for the horrible deed he did now that he was in her backyard...NO they just sat around and got high together like all good junkies do.

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124340


Haleigh Cummings – The New Old Tapes
Posted on April 18th, 2010

Most Saturdays are a quiet time for the online world. Yesterday was not. The release of the Ronald tapes here and here seem to have everyone in a feeding frenzy. But, I for one am not sure why. The tapes reveal Ronald fingering Cousin Joe, but that is a game that has been played before. The PCSO don’t buy into it. If they did, Cousin Joe, would be on an all expenses paid vacation behind bars.

The tapes do however reveal a great deal of information. You have to put on your listening ears to appreciate it.

Investigator Steve Brown has claimed to have solved the case, I have talked to Steve a couple of times, and at no point has he pointed to a suspect. However he did say he knows who did it.

I am taking a more circuitous route, I talk to lots of folks, and you start to build a picture. I think Steve Brown has the case nailed. He has not told me who he suspects, but I’d bet a dollar that it is not who most people assume.

Steve Brown made the comment “You would never guess who did it”. Actually I suspect I walk in his foot steps. I do believe that this case is rapidly approaching an end, and I also believe that the person facing the biggest problem is someone you might not expect. I was set in my mind, I understood the events of that night. The doubt started months ago, little bits ate away at my conviction.

There is so much information and disinformation in the case that sometimes it is hard to pick fact from fiction.

I have just received three very interesting phone calls. Two on the Haleigh Cummings case and one on the Caylee Anthony case. I suspect we are going to have a very interesting panel this afternoon. I won’t announce the names as the situation may change, but if this all comes together it is going to be one great program!

Tune in at 3pm Sunday to listen to the latest news. Link is here.

Simon Barrett

[groovy135]

Posted on SM,

http://www.bloggernews.net/124337#comments


decoded the tapes, here ya go:

Audio one

Ron mentions a Joseph Edward Overstreet, Cobra asked him if Ron if he was 75% sure Joe had something to do with it. Ron says, no I have no idea.

Cobra mentions that he heard that Ron has been knocking off drug dealers, Ron said no man. Cobra asked him if Ron brought this dram to his house, and Ron said no man. Cobra asked Ron about drug dealers that Ron knows. If they had a rift with any of them. Ron said no man, they don’t even know where I live. The only people that know where I live is Joe E. O., Nay Nay, and the Croslin family.

The conversation then goes on to Misty and WBG.

Nay Nay took Misty to have sex with WBG at Stokes landing. Misty told Ron about it. Ron then said, yeah he got married what does that have to do with his F’n daughter going missing.

　

Then there is talk about a drug dealer Orlando and heroin, Cobra ask Ron if he used it, that Ron didn’t look like someone that was scared of needles, Ron said no man I am not, but I am not tracking you can check my butt.

He then goes on and says that this Orlando is heavy on the drugs and people keep confusing this Orlando with his best friend Orlando.

The other Orlando is a drug dealer, Ron’s friend Orlando is not a drug dealer, he is Ron’s friend.

Cobra then says, Ron your not no F’n big drug dealer Ron. Ron says, man I use to.

Then there is talk about what someone told Jr.? Not sure what Jr. Cobra is talking about. Maybe Tommy (Hank Jr.?).

Tommy, his son and Joe were fishing at the dock it got dark and they left.

Ron then starts talking about who was at the dock fishing and it got dark. Tommy tells Ron that he had to leave and got his son out of there.

Ron then says that Joe said this would be the perfect place to kill somebody and dump the body and the alligators would take care of the rest.

Ron ask Cobra, do you think that is where my daughter is at? Ron answers his own question and tells Cobra probably.

Cobra says he has called LE-FDLE about this and they won’t call him back and there is nothing he can really do at that time.

Again, Ron said do you think that is where my daughters at, (St.John’s River)probably. Why was this river not searched thoroughly early on?



------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Audio two (It is really hard to understand what is being said about the gun. Did my best writing down what I think I heard.)

Ron says he knows where Joe is at, Cobra says..yeah I know where he is at and his people are following him. Ron comes back and says, yeah he is at xxxx TN.

Ron talks about getting high?…Cobra says I am not talking about getting high.

Cobra starts out by saying that he knows daddy’s don’t kill their babies, mommy’s do. That he is checking everyone else out except for Ron. He dose not believe Ron had anything to do with it.

Joe is on the top of Cobra’s list. Ron talks about his piece (gun).

Ron said that the first night that Joe came into town Joe stole his piece. The first time he met him.

On Joe’s 3 visit to FL: Ron said, I went straight out to the ditch to put it in the ditch, then went and retrieved it?

Ron said, I went straight down to the ditch/culvert and I figured if the law find them he can get in trouble, went to the culvert retrieved the piece, took it home cleaned it . This is what we have always speculated, that Ron hid that gun himself.
Ron said if it’s on his premises he (Joe) could get in trouble. Cobra said who you? Ron said no, he. That is why I (Ron) went to retrieve it.

Ron talks about how if they found it on his premises that it will come back to him?

Ron said the same piece (gun) that FDLE has right now.

Sounds to me that maybe Ron hid the piece knowing Joe was back in town, and later came back to retrieve it. What dose not make sense is why would this piece be so important? It does not make sense that Joe would just come down to FL to steal Ron’s gun. Something is very fishy about Ron’s gun.

Cobra tells Ron he is there for him..to help find Haleigh, he is not there for the media or money. He is there on his own money..he has 5 children. Yadda Yadda.

Ron starts talking about CS and the custody and what they are talking about over there. (At the Sheffield’s camp, I assume?)

Ron mentions that he has his custody papers in the car, Cobra said he doesn’t care about no custody..he is there to help find the child. Custody is their business not his.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Audio three

Cobra asked Ron what van Misty drove. That Ron came speeding by asking where his girl was at. Ron is very adimant that Misty did not drive that van..that he was the one to take and pick up Haleigh and who ever said differnt can suck his xxxx (sic). Ron said Misty never had that van…

Ron said he dropped Haleigh off and he picked her up. That Haleigh was sitting on his lap, that Haleigh turned the left blinker on when they turned on the dirt road, that she steered the car home, that she knows how to turn the right blinker on when they are turning right. He then got out of the car gave Haleigh, misty, Jr. a hug and a kiss and left for work.

Cobra asked Ron about what he said on the 911 call asking Misty..Bch who you let come in here and get my kid..

Ron said he just wanted to know is if she had something to do with it. Cobra asked about the door.

Ron mentioned that if you look on the internet you can look up about the bump lock.

The tape has been redacted IMO, it is of my opinion that there is something here that we can’t listen to at this time. I am OK with that though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Audio four

Very Very hard to hear as well even with a good head set, still appreciate Simon for releasing these. Helps see the bigger picture.

Ron says He is a liar? Did not get to hear what was asked when he answered that, he then goes on to say.

She (CS?) got paid about $10,000 to say that stuff about Ron/his family on T.V.? I assume bring out the truth about his drugs and abuse? Ron denies it.

Cobra mentioned a lead detective on the case that got caught with cocaine, pot and put on desk duty?

Ron then mentioned , Everybody is going to be subpoena to court. Then Ron mentioned a cop Christ Midltn.? But that he was not sure.

Cobra asked Ron, Who got caught with cocaine, pot and put on desk duty? Ron said not Merchant.

Ron said he can get Merchant get Merchant there right now..

Ron mentions Dec of 2005. Said CS owed him around $4000, but that now it’s like $14,000?

This was said really odd,not sure if it is due to the tape or what. But Ron just says..in a strange way…hey man you know what, my daughter was stole Feb 10th.

You know whats crazy. My daughter comes up missing Feb 10th, he told Misty to call 911. At 3:26 the call was made, he must of gotten home at 3:23.

Ron said that LE asked him if he was home that night. He said that LE kept asked him what took him so long to get to the home. Ron said he stopped at the store that he bought a pack of Newport’s, peanuts and other.

Ron then said that they kept asking him how did he get home at the time he did, when he got off of work at a certain time. Ron never mentions the time.

Ron then said that LE pulled all the tapes and LE asked him how the “F” did he get home at that time when he off of work at a certain time and got home at that time.

Ron said, well maybe that is how long it takes a cracker to drive home?

Cobra talks about a bush that is near the house that he is going to check and see if there is anything there from the van.

It was also said in this audio that Timmy woke at 1am and was not home?Hmmm, but nothing else that I could understand after that.

Cobra said that he saw the pictures of the door and something didn’t look right.

Ron said he has 4 keys to the MH, one that fits that front door, and talks about how someone could use a bump lock. Cobra said there was nothing bumped be seen the pictures of the locks. Cobra asked Ron about the door nob being upside down..

Cobra said that he talked to Misty’s side of the family and they are on his side. Then Cobra mentioned that they told him that maybe Joe may have a vengeance towards Ron.

[MC30]

Simon is about to piss me off. way to go simon with all the non-reporting. boo.

[groovy135]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/a-face-made-for-radio/

A face made for radio

I will be on blogtalkradio today, on the Haleigh Cummings & Casey Anthony show hosted by Simon Barrett.

The program will begin at 4:00 PM ET.

Here is the link:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simon-barrett/2010/04/18/haleigh-cummings-caylee-anthony

[groovy135]

Simon is about to piss me off. way to go simon with all the non-reporting. boo.


I know momma, look at this,

http://newsblaze.com/story/20100418090329kays.nb/topstory.html


Op-Ed Contributor
Will the Haleigh Cummings' Homicide Case be Solved this Week?

By John Kays

snipped from this article:

STEVE BROWN, FORMER FBI AGENT, KNOWS WHO DID IT!

Steve Brown is a private investigator working for Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield. Steve knows the ending to our story, but his lips are sealed. The tension mounts. The Putnam County Sheriff's Office must build their case carefully, if it's going to hold up in court. Steve Brown has been working on the case for 10 months and has apparently put the pieces of the puzzle together. One telling comment of Brown's: "There may be other people culpable, but as to who killed Haleigh, that's not going to be a big surprise."

[MC30]

hehe makes me want to start my own blog. Someone Knows Someone Who Knows Who Killed Haleigh Cummings...More To Come:cheers:

[Rhoni]

hehe makes me want to start my own blog. Someone Knows Someone Who Knows Who Killed Haleigh Cummings...More To Come:cheers:

Hey good Idea, I know someone, Do you think my someone knows someone else who may know another someone who knows the someone who knows the real someone who killed Haleigh?

[Rhoni]

Hey good Idea, I know someone, Do you think my someone knows someone else who may know another someone who knows the someone who knows the real someone who killed Haleigh?

Shit now we sound like casey anthony...I need to go read an Encyclopedia, I feel like my IQ is dropping by the second and I am losing brain cells left and right just reading the shit on these 2 cases...

[MC30]

i know. i want to scream...'come the fuck on...you people can't figure this out? Really?'
and i think the thing that pisses me off the most, is that parents that Really have Missing kids, act so different then these jackholes. hell most of the time you don't even see the parents..they have a family spokesperson 'cause they are so tore up. not these assholes.:dong:

[groovy135]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=78082158001


Here's a video of Steve Brown concerning the case, for those who may have missed it.

SM

[groovy135]

I don't know how reliable this information is from this post on SM but I've always wondered what business Joe had in Satsuma,,,this is the closest answer I've seen yet, unless anyone knows different,


Not sure the importance of that dang gun. It's been said that Joe came to visit for 2 weeks, that he took the gun the first night he got there (or very near to his arrival). Also been said that he had planned to leave to go back to TN when 2 weeks was up, the day he left had been 2 weeks, from what has been reported.

That he came to try to take the gun again, before he left for TN, that makes sense (in some weird way) if he wanted/needed it so bad.

I dunno even whose gun it actually was! Seems to me that he could have been over there trying to get the gun again, with or without being involved with what happened to Haleigh. Am still seeing Joe as the scapegoat, convenient for the Croslin's to blame their chit on. I may change my mind on that if/when more actual facts come out from LE, saying that he played a small/large part of what happened to Haleigh. Until then, am skeptical. Not gonna believe what comes out of Misty/Tommy's mouths.


And this little tidbit,,,


TN and RC lied in order to protect their car insurance policy, because if they admitted MC drove without a driver's license then
the car insurance provider may have raised the insurance on the car. I gleaned this information from another site last year.

[groovy135]

Oh YUCK, :puke::puke: YUCK, :puke::puke:, YUCK!!!! :puke::puke:


Cobra on Simon Barrett's Radio Show today, on SM,


Cobra said on Simon's show that Misty and Tommy have been having sex for years First, how in the world would he know such a thing, and second, why is he saying that on a radio show? He better have proof to say such things.

He said allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

[groovy135]

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/

Joe Overstreet’s Body Language Analysis Shows Signals of Deception. But What Did Haleigh’s Father Ron’s Previous Body Language Show ?
April 18th, 2010

[mopar]

Crying over precious little one who was so scared of the water :dong:I am sick in my heart over this. Certainly makes Joe a more likely suspect or scapegoat if true.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/04/cousin-joe-fed-animals-to-alligators-at-haleigh-river-search-location/

[myra manes]

Just for shits and giggles,,a blast to the past. The Crystal Curly Top,,,a homage to the Cowardly Lion in the Wizard of Oz!

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/HAIR2.jpg


I like her bangs ..





:rofl:

[Chaindrive]

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/

Joe Overstreet’s Body Language Analysis Shows Signals of Deception. But What Did Haleigh’s Father Ron’s Previous Body Language Show ?
April 18th, 2010

It also says grandma shows no deception.

[myra manes]

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/HAIR2.jpghttp://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss335/marandakenney/untitled-3.jpg

[MC30]

Oh YUCK, :puke::puke: YUCK, :puke::puke:, YUCK!!!! :puke::puke:


Cobra on Simon Barrett's Radio Show today, on SM,

distraction reaction....i don't believe it. but it is ewww...

[groovy135]

It also says grandma shows no deception.


Yes, Chain, I was wondering about that when I read it. Maybe, Pootananny was telling the truth as she knew it. Other grandaughter, Joe O's sister says she's lying & is all about the reward money. I believe if Sigmund Frued himself, rose from the dead, he wouldn't be able to straighten out this ASSortment of Mixed Nuts!!!!! :damnmate:

[groovy135]

HAHA myra,,you are so crazy!!! And I am so grateful for the that, you have to laugh to keep your sanity being exposed to things we are are hearing,,and with that I am very sorrowful to post the following, this was on SM,,,,,,


http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/


This part of what the Dr had to say (link above) I found very interesting as well!!

DO PHOTO’S OF HALEIGH’S FACE LOOK DYSMORPHIC OVER TIME?

In looking at Haleigh;s photo;s it seems that her face does indeed look a bit misshapen as she got older .

And please DO NOT tell me it is beucase she has Turner Syndrome. After doing a post doctoral fellowship in the field of Medcical Genetics, I know ALL about Turner Syndrome and how it looks.

It is accompanied by low set ears and a short webbed neck. As those with this condition grow they are often short in stature. Since they have only have one X Chromosome, they are rendered infertile and cannot bear children as they mature. So her changing appearance had NOTHING to do with her Turner Syndrome.

Did Ron have anything to do with this change in her facial appoerance ? Did his alleged backhanding Haleigh to in the face create her facial imbalance ? It seems suspicious to me. Also look at the photo where the bridge of Haleighs nose is swollen and her eye is a bit off center from when she was a baby.

~~~

I've often thought her lil face was mis-shapened! Especially thought her left eye was off center. I wondered about these things! Eventually figured that they had to do with turner-syndrome.

Am astonished to read what this Dr. had to say about it all. Astonished and sad for Haleigh if it's true.

[groovy135]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154929&catid=3


Attorney: Police Believed They Could Crack Misty
Jessica Clark Created: 4/18/2010 12:17:59 PM Updated: 4/18/2010 6:03:56 PM

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- After taking Misty Croslin to the dock where divers scoured the St. Johns River for clues in the Haleigh Cummings investigation, the Putnam County Sheriff said he believes the teenager still holds information that is key to solving the case.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father thinks Croslin may know more as well, according to Cummings' attorney, Terry Shoemaker.

"He's still hoping that if Misty did know something -- and it appears she did -- he's hoping it was something she was forced to do, threatened to do, and that's why she wouldn't talk to him," Terry Shoemaker said.

Shoemaker spoke to First Coast News this weekend about his client.

Like Croslin, Cummings is in jail on un-related drug charges. The two are accused of prescription drug trafficking.

Months ago, Cummings' mother said he may have done those crimes to get close to Misty after the divorce, in order to learn what happened to Haleigh.

This weekend, Cummings' attorney shed new light on the relationship.

"The police always said, 'If you divorce Misty, we'll find something out. She'll crack.' They've told him, 'If Misty got in trouble, in jail, we could probably get her to crack,'" Shoemaker said.

cont.

[groovy135]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=154929&catid=3


Attorney: Cummings Not Mad But Disappointed in Misty Croslin Video Available Article Comments (2)

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- "He's still hoping that if Misty did know something -- and it appears she did -- he's hoping it was something she was forced to do, threatened to do, and that's why she wouldn't talk to him," Terry Shoemaker said.



Your a big man Mr. Richie Rich,,,very impressive ~ just a tad miffed. Gasp, well it was just a baby he has three more of them,,no biggie. :jaw:

[groovy135]

HAHA Looks like everyone caught on that Cobra talks through his ass. Doesn't look like he has much creditability left, was on SM,



It appears that Cobra was catching a little hell in the chatroom on Simon's Blog Talk Radio today, lmoa:

WSExile says to (15:28:44):
God, please let Cobra's batteries die

wrapitup says to (15:42:48):
WTH is Cobra talking about?

Why didn't you ask when you had the chance.. Cobra?

vaquera says to (15:43:34):
BS cobra.

Protector says to (15:43:39):
not another cobra whine a thon

wrapitup says to (15:43:39):
What? Cobra is actually saying Tommy and Misty are sexual? OMG!!!

MsBingo says to (15:43:44):
Bullchit Cobra

Protector says to (15:44:17):
cobra shut the ***

vaquera says to (15:44:28):
i swear cobra never can get the story straight

cent1999 says to (15:49:23):
You've talked *** about the LE... cobra... give me a break.. now you're on their side!

hangemhigh says to (16:01:52):
anser the question instead of pontificating cobra

hangemhigh says to (16:09:48):
cobra don't like this...very subdued

FystyAngel says to (16:10:39):
WTH Cobra? Speak up!

cent1999 says to (16:11:12):
Why is Cobra on here... if he is refusing to comment!

hangemhigh says to (16:11:37):
what happen to boisterious cobra?

FystyAngel says to (16:11:48):
Funny how Cobra runs his mouth all the time & now he gets hit with legit questions & shuts up? WTH?

charminglane says to (15:03:15):
Cobra!!!!

LMS1 says to (15:03:16):
Cobra

frogs says to (15:03:16):
COBRA!!!!!

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124343

Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony – Radio Wrap-Up For Apr 18

[OMalley]

Lizard is right, why the hell is it taking so long to find out what happened to this child? I mean, it's not like we're dealing with criminal masterminds here.

These people are HICKS. Hell, they're SUPER hicks. Every time any of 'em talk on tv, I think: OMG, they're hillbillies. And damn illiterate. For all we know they've been TRYING to confess the whole time and 'regular' people can't figure out WTF they're talking & writing about. (Alright, probably not).

[MadmamainNC]

Taken from the above link ~Dr Lillian Glass


RON’S ODD BEHAVIOR
First off was his hurrying to marry Misty to no doubt to protect him from perhaps being prosecuted as a child molester and being with an underage Misty at the time.

His control over Misty during the Greta van Sustern interview and Today show interview and inconsistent statements make me wonder if he didn’t already know what happened to his daughter.
His ingratiatinging politeness towards Miss Nancy while he as interviewed by her disturbed me as di the time Ron hurled himself on the ground for what seemed to be the camera’s sake and there were non- tears.
RON WAS TOO “SURE” HALEIGH WAS TAKEN

What I found most disturbing was that he was SURE Haleigh was taken. There was no wavering that his daughter was alive. Most people who’s daughter was missing for a year would at least wonder if their daughter was still alive or had been killed, but not Ronald. That struck me as being peculiar.

“I WAS AT WORK ! ” WAS RON BUILDING AN ALIBI?

Then there was a verbal theme that permeated EVERY interview- his alibi that “ I was at work.”

He even had a Chesire cat grin when he spoke on camera about how he was at work. Now that we have recently seen footage of him in the car selling drugs to an undercover officer, you hear the same ”I was at work” theme.

HALEIGH NOT A VICTIM OF A DOPE BOY ACCORDING TO RON, WHO “WAS AT WORK”

According to the Urban Dictionary, a Dope Boy is a term mainly used in the South to describe a young male that moves hard drugs (ex. cocaine, crack), as well as the standard marijuana and prescription pills. to a specific geographic area or neighborhood .

In the undercover tape, Ron is offering up to the “cop” why his daughter was not the victim of a “dope boy.” He says

“ Dope boys don’t come out to get your kid like that. If you owe the dope boy that much money they come in right here. They come in and kill right there. They kill your daughter your girlfriend and your son and when you come home then you be the one to see it. You know what I mean.”

In his scenario he is no doubt saying that a drug mover would not have taken Haleigh but, instead would have killed her, Misty, and his son so when he “got home from work” he would have seen what happened.


I was just talking to Ros about this. All of it and hadn't read this link yet. Once you've lived with a liar for 18yrs and then dealt with him for another 10, you sort of learn the signs. It applies to all people.

[groovy135]

Lizard is right, why the hell is it taking so long to find out what happened to this child? I mean, it's not like we're dealing with criminal masterminds here.

These people are HICKS. Hell, they're SUPER hicks. Every time any of 'em talk on tv, I think: OMG, they're hillbillies. And damn illiterate. For all we know they've been TRYING to confess the whole time and 'regular' people can't figure out WTF they're talking & writing about. (Alright, probably not).


Hysterical!!!!! ROFLMAO :lol5::lol5::lol5:

[MadmamainNC]

For all we know they've been TRYING to confess the whole time and 'regular' people can't figure out WTF they're talking & writing about. (Alright, probably not).

OK that was funny shit!

[groovy135]

From WS,,,in re: The Levi Page Show that was on tonight,

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/04/19/haleigh-cummings-homicide-investigation

Tonight on the show:

Leonard Padilla: Bounty Hunter
T.J. Ward: Private Investigator
Dr. Lillian Glass: Body Language Expert
Art Harris: Investigative Reporter


Sidenote:


Geraldo and Levi are both covering the case, Geraldo has Joe's lawyer on and stated he wouldn't comment on Joe's Juvi record whether he is a molester, also said that its not for him to decide if Joe should take a Lie detector. HMMMM....


body language of misty at the dock: expert says she is not in control and having a real hard time

LP: JOe's name kept coming up and when he left time right away they thought... OH! But LP says that he thinks Misty and Tommy took Haleigh to the dock. He thinks JOe is the scapegoat. But right now there is no cause of death. He thinks that Tommy and JOe were there at Misty's bidding.

Body Lang. expert: there were signals of deception on JOe (lip licking etc)

TJ: misty is involved and knows where child is. voice analysis test... she was under the influence during the test. She lied about waking up at 3. She has knowledge to what happened, who took the child and exactly what happened

LP: young woman rode all the way back with JOe (L@@@@ A@@@@) not sure if LE has questioned her

Art: Tommy was willing to take LDT so they set it up and he flunked. Lawyer resigned after the flunk but than came back the next day. Tommy knew where the body had been taken and he led LE to that spot. Than he calls grandma upset after poly and he cannot keep it inside any longer. He says JOe did it (but only after granny asked). Tip did not come from Tennessee but from Tommy. Art agrees with LE that Misty knows she is in trouble. He doesn't think we should read much into her gesturing as to her admitting anything... But now it is her against Tommy. All the answers in voice stress were 95% false except for one question 42% (parsing to try to protect Tommy)

LP: Chelsea very guarded about Timmy. He was on an accident and on meds. Talking about the car being moved and scratched. LP says something interesting... could JOe have stayed at the trailer with Junior while tommy and Misty took Haleigh to the dock. Lindsay very upset tommy took ldt and flunked. Feels betrayed and lied to. She is very upset. He just talked to her today






Talking about Ron's possible involvement. Did he hit the child? Is Misty covering for Ron? Geraldo questioned Ron on this and the guy blew a gasket. Body language expert is suspicious of RC. LP says he offered RC lots of cash to help find Haleigh, but he hasn't taken LP up on the offer.

Talking about Grandma Hollars and the many versions she told.

LP says he put money in the jailhouse house accounts for Misty and Tommy to call certain numbers. Grandma's number was not on that list.





art: JOe questioned at least twice. once alone and once with lawyer. last week they went back to question him. no probable cause to arrest him at this point. trying to figure out what parts of misty and tommy's stories are true and awaiting items to come back from testing. Misty told grandma that she had been afraid to come forward because he had held knife to her throat and threatened him. Talking about the gun stories (all goes back to letters Misty wrote)

LP: says if he held a knife to her throat why would he have been hanging up missing posters the next day with misty. Art says you cannot attribute normal behavior to these people. (hahaha)

LG: watched flora hollers interview (re: body language): talking about rope and hitting in head with wood. Says that was has intrigued her from the start was Geraldo's question if he hit the little girl. LG says the reaction was very defensive. Did Ron hit her and she was in a coma? How did this little girl die? What happened to her?

Levi: now talking about how controlling Ron is and how they could be protecting him.

Now talking about dead rat and how Ron put them up to it.

LG: when you look at Ron's behavior the overreaction (throwing himself on the ground) and his behavior is very disconcerting and strange.

LP: Ron wouldn't take money to help find haleigh. "no that is okay", he said

Levi now saying Flora story about hitting in the head with wood strange. LP says that he has been putting money on misty and tommy's books so they could receive calls/make calls. LP says that TOMMY DID NOT COMMUNICATE WITH FLORA AND HE IS LYING

TJ: misty is key to the how and the what to how haleigh died. She has always been on drugs and able to escape reality and now she is clean in jail so she sees reality and fingering JOe.


Misty made Chef Boyardee, Tommy came over around 6 and smoked weed w/Misty

Dr. Glass thinks it's odd that MC made 911 call not RC.

Now she's wondering if RC backhanded HaLeigh.


juniors lip was often bloody because of Rons anger....

TJ Ward shocked at the amount of inconsistencies in MC's test.








911 call spoke volumes to LG. Why was misty on the call? Not Ron? Tone of voice and all going on very disconcerting.

LP: what do we know about the last time anyone saw the child alive? only the family saw her.

Art: Lindsay says her kids played with them in the afternoon. Smoking the joint at 6pm, and grandma drops off clothes.

LG: when you look at the morphology of Haleigh's face, her face asymmetrical later on but not earlier on. LG wondering about Haleigh being struck by Ron.

Art: talking about Junior having bloody lip from Ron and also threatening to kill himself.

Levi: 911 when Misty was on Ronald told her to hang up the phone they have better effing people to talk to.

LP: thinks a lot of the call over dramatized and staged

LG: (on phone hang up and "our" child and staging) yes brilliant and astute. Mentioning the money that LP offered to help find the child but ron turns it down.

LP: seems like Ron was doped up

LG: that combined with Geraldo data give me chills

Art: interviewed father that took his kids to the bus stop every day and says after geraldo interview he came to the trailer and wanted to meet his father who was the dcfs investigator! and to tell him that he was a good father. it blew this guy away.

TJ: I am overwhelmed in the amount of inacuracies and deception and would love to have recordings of the other players to analyze. Also per misty, at the end when asked if tommy and joe had anything to do with it... it came back innacurate. He says she needs to tell the truth. says this is a very dysfunctional family and a lot of other pieces of the story that need to be looked at.

Art: Ron very upset about WBG/cheating misty was doing



AH: he's developing something about the 911 call Misty made b4 ron got home; keep and eye out on his site.

AH saying RC made more than 90 calls that nite.

While LP and crew were there, RC and none of his family EVER asked for LP to help find Haleigh

Levi bringing up media @ tattoo parlor when RC was there...most parents excited to have media attention...RC said can't even do what I want to do.

LG: thinks Ron may have controlled Misty with drugs. she was a whipper snapper and ran that family before she was with Ron. Looking at Ron in retrospect it makes you think about that.

LP: 911 call she lies and says that she got up and saw the light (lie per voice stress analysis)

Art: says that he knows about call she made before 911 call... it is developing news and said to check his site for more info later****

Art: doesn't add up about timing of the 911 call. ron made more than 90 calls that night on his cell phone

TJ: the results of layered voice analysis under the influence of drugs: he is seeing what is true, untrue, etc but he is also understanding what else they are thinking about in their minds. Says that voice stress analysis shows that Ron had something to do with this.

Art: says ron very upset/keeping close tabs on misty after the three day binge/jealousy.

JG: thinks that Ron knew. His reaction afterward is key... tattoo.. his falling to the ground, the 911 call, taking misty out to dinner, getting married, etc. She says that you see it.. you see how ron is reacting. It is not human behavior whether you are on drugs or not. Your child is missing. even if you are on drugs he is aware enough to go on talk shows etc but doesn't take offered money to help. While LP's whole team was there not one member of the family asked them to look.

Art: wonders why LE only says they have cleared crystal and ron. The group thinks they could be making him comfortable/overconfident.

LG: talking about how cocky ron was when he said if it were a dope boy he would have killed his whole family

Levi: talks about how families with a missing child love the media attention to a case... yet when they are there to help haleigh ron wants them to leave him alone.

art: brings up chilli's when he wanted them to comp him a dinner saying, "don't you know who I am?"

It was noted on WS,,,that LE DID NOT clear Ronen Noodles yet!!!!

[groovy135]

More from the Levi Show,


Re Misty's Marriage to Ron:

Spoke with Misty's father. Said Misty sneaking out, hanging out w/bad crowd, had thought maybe she would be safer w/Ron. Realizes a mistake

LP: won't bond ron out until LE says its OK, now LP says he won't

Lindsy is getting a divorce





From Levi's twitter:

Levi_Page

If u missed show on Haleigh Cummings case go here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/04/19/haleigh-cummings-homicide-investigation

[Rockin Ma]

While LP and crew were there, RC and none of his family EVER asked for LP to help find Haleigh

LP, as in Leonard Padilla?

I don't know, I'd be desperate for anything if my child was missing, but LP just causes drama and confusion, goes on T.V. proclaiming unfacts as truth and seems to kink everything up.

I may decline his help and money too.

[mopar]

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=507681472&blogId=532783550



Excuse my ignorance,,I never heard of someone being sent to PRISON without a trial. Malo's and Loaded's written statements sent him??? If he was 16, wasn't he a juvie, shouldn't he be out by now,,that was 5 years ago?? If I were Jeremy Miller or his family I would be watching this case closely.

She uses the Rape card very liberally, doesn't she,,Tommy "messed w/ her",,, didn't Cousin Joe rape her too,,why didn't she have him prosecuted as well?? Why would she let a rape artist (Cousin Joe) around an innocent 5 year old girl?? Why didn't she have Ron dispense street justice to him for the horrible deed he did now that he was in her backyard...NO they just sat around and got high together like all good junkies do.
Sometimes people take a plea to avoid the possibility of a worser sentance if it goes to jury trial. Many innocent people do this because they fear doing a longer sentance. At 16 I can imagine how he believed he could get up to 50 years and took 10 or 15. I could see it at 30, one of the most common ways a prosecutor will enforce the illusion that a larger sentance will be imposed is to manage to get bail denied so that the accused sits for several months. If they have kept you for say more than 5 months than you have lost most financial gain you have worked for as well as custody and really come to believe that if they can hold you for that long than they can hold you forever. The FACT that prosecuters and public defenders often bargain peoples fates often adds to that illusion. i.e. "if you give me an extra 5 years on this ones sentance than I will shave 30 months off of that one" I actualy heard that happen between the Houston county prosecutor and public defender with my own ears and tried to warn that one who was getting extra time for shaving a child abusers sentance but to no avail. So I believe it could happen easily to a teenager with no resources.

[groovy135]

Can't say with 100% accuracy, but another site is posting this as Crystal Sheffield's FB page,,

http://www.facebook.com/creepsheffield?v=wall&ref=search#!/creepsheffield?v=wall&ref=search

[mystery]

Crystal Sheffield's myspace page posted yesterday

My heart is just tour up as to why or how people can wait this long to say something. Burn in hell you sick individuals.Mood: sad/pissed
Posted at 1:21 AM Apr 18

http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

[groovy135]

http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/19/exclusive-yellow-rope-found-in-haleigh-case/#more-4145

Art Harris reports yellow rope found at Tommy Croslin's home.

[groovy135]

More rope....

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/04/rope-tied-around-the-screen-door-at-ronald-cummings-trailer/

Rope Tied Around The Screen Door At Ronald Cummings’ Trailer
Monday, April 19, 2010

[Rhoni]

Lizard is right, why the hell is it taking so long to find out what happened to this child? I mean, it's not like we're dealing with criminal masterminds here.

These people are HICKS. Hell, they're SUPER hicks. Every time any of 'em talk on tv, I think: OMG, they're hillbillies. And damn illiterate. For all we know they've been TRYING to confess the whole time and 'regular' people can't figure out WTF they're talking & writing about. (Alright, probably not).

This is the funniest shit I have read in a long time and probably close to the truth...:cheers:

[Rhoni]

this is what I hear when these people (and I use that term loosely) talk(and I also use that term loosely)

YouTube- best of boomhauer

[myra manes]

One of my favorite pictures ..

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff307/MadeaBecBec/Mugshots/Ronald-MistyCumminsHankCroslinJrarr.jpg

The Three Stooges :cheers:

[penelopejo]

One of my favorite pictures ..

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff307/MadeaBecBec/Mugshots/Ronald-MistyCumminsHankCroslinJrarr.jpg

The Three Stooges :cheers:

omg, those are really his ears?

I thought someone photoshopped them on him!!!!!!!!

[Sister Iroz]

The search for Haleigh Cummings, who went missing over a year ago from her father's home in Satsuma, Fla., is still going on in earnest at the St. John's River in northeast Florida, and news reports say that two cinder blocks have been recovered, bolstering the sheriff's decision to re-classify the once missing-persons case as a homicide.

Groovy or anyone else, I can't tell if this has been posted, so my apologies if it already has.

[Lilith]

Yeah.. Sadly predictable..
Lots of Haleigh related stuff on NG page today...

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[Rhoni]

omg, those are really his ears?

I thought someone photoshopped them on him!!!!!!!!

Whats with the big cheesy grin?

[myra manes]

Whats with the big cheesy grin?

Was he spitting at the cops too?
Is that why he's wearing that spit cover?

[Saffron]

Ron told to prepare for Haleigh's funeral...

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/19/attorney-ronald-cummings-haleigh%E2%80%99s-family-told-to-make-funeral-plans/?hpt=Sbin

[groovy135]

Never saw this pix (middle) of Marblemouth..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20002794-504083.html

[groovy135]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2909950/lindsey_and_chelsea_croslin_missing.html?cat=17


Lindsey and Chelsea Croslin Missing Links in Haleigh Cummings' Case?

Carol Bengle Gilbert
Published April 19, 2010 by:


As the Haleigh Cummings homicide investigation appears to be nearing completion, Hank "Tommy" Croslin, Jr.'s wife Lindsey has stepped into the spotlight. Tommy Croslin is the brother
of Misty Croslin Cummings who was babysitting Haleigh the night she disappeared. Tommy led police this week to the Shell Harbour Boat Ramp on the St. John's river. Information from Tommy Croslin apparently caused police to recast the search for Haleigh as a homicide investigation.

On the Levi Page show on Blogtalkradio Sunday, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla discussed Lindsey's apparent dismay that Tommy Croslin took a polygraph while she was out of town visiting brother-in-law and sister-in-law Timmy and Chelsea Croslin in Massachusetts. She's acting the part of the betrayed wife, but does the betrayal go deeper than Tommy's keeping criminal knowledge from Lindsey?

Chelsea Croslin, like Lindsey, also appears to have acquired specific knowledge as to key events surrounding Haleigh Cummings' presumed death. While news to police and a captivated public, the location on the St. John's river where Tommy may have indicated Haleigh's body was disposed- site of an extensive search last week- apparently was not news to Tommy's sister-in-law Chelsea Croslin. According to Padilla, Chelsea suggested March 14 that the same area be searched and even helpfully drew him a map! And Chelsea now claims she had been suggesting that same search location to police ever since Haleigh disappeared. Her reason for suggesting a search of that area allegedly related to its familiarity to Croslin family scapegoat Joe Overstreet. But two months ago, another motive sufaced. Chelsea allegedly received a heretofore secret letter from Misty Croslin Cummings identifying the site as the place cousin Joe dumped Haleigh's body.

So all along Chelsea was pointing to what is now believed to be the location of Haleigh Cummings' body. And what of her sister-in-law Lindsey?

[groovy135]

A poster from SM, wrote this,,


FYI the person I get info from I will call D for obvious reasons. D is not technically a local. D owns and runs a large business in Palatka. Also other properties there and in a not too distant city in FL. which is where D originates from. When I offer info I know that this person has direct info and not rumors. Because of D's business D has hands on knowledge. On the morning Haleigh went missing D was questioned by LE about Joe's whereabouts and he had already left the area and it was before noon. Also D has spoken directly with Chelsea about this case. Chelsea maintains that Misty was very jealous of Haleigh as were his other girlfriends. Ron doted on Haleigh and I assume that could cause problems. Chelsea also said that Misty "isn't right" in the head. Not long after Chelsea and Timmy moved out in the middle of the night. As far as talk in that area right now it is all speculation just like here on SM.

[groovy135]

Concerned Papa's


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5081646&postcount=126

[groovy135]

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image106.png

The Croseyed Brothers and Joe Underthebus

[groovy135]

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/l_f3e13197cec79c20888bfb670bd41058.jpg

The Lethal Lolita's Fav Bro,,Dimmy

[AngelFire]

Did anyone see NG? Did they speculate that lil Haleigh was tied to cinder blocks, and thrown in the lake alive? Please someone, please tell me that I did not hear that. I may have heard wrong, since they do not have a body, or do they?:dontknow:

[groovy135]

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/croslins.png

Courtesy of Brandi of SM

[groovy135]

Did anyone see NG? Did they speculate that lil
Haleigh was tied to cinder blocks, and thrown in the lake alive? Please someone, please tell me that I did not hear that. I may have heard wrong, since they do not have a body, or do they?:dontknow:

As far as I know, that is one of the possibilities that Grandma McNoChompers is gumming anytime anyone will listen,,,what an awful thing to say before she actually knows. I'm not watching NG at this time, so as far as I know, there has been nothing official yet. But many are guessing some bones may have been found in the river as well as some other items, those things have been sent for testing, so we are still waiting.

[MadmamainNC]

.
GRANPAW
http://nospacesnospecials.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/old-man-funny-face.jpg

Sux to have their dental plan.

[groovy135]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/19/ijvm.01.html


ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Strange twists and turns in the search for Haleigh Cummings. Why are cops asking Ron, the dad to prepare for her funeral?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mystery mounts in the desperate search for little Haleigh Cummings. The cops have now told Haleigh`s father to begin to make funeral arrangements.

What did police find in that river? New reports say they are doing tests on cinder blocks and rope. If they still don`t have a body, do they have a case?

Plus a 15-year-old girl fights for her life. Josie Ratley was brutally beaten, her head, face viciously stomped on al allegedly because of a text message.

Tonight we`ll talk live to the 15-year-old suspect`s attorney about the explosive developments in the case and go inside Josie`s painful road to recovery.

Something big may be about to happen in the Haleigh Cummings case. Tonight reports that Haleigh`s father Ron Cummings has been told to start making funeral arrangements. Could this mean the cops have found the precious child`s remains or even a speck of conclusive, biological evidence?

Police are investigating the 5-year-old`s disappearance as a homicide. But are they any closer to nailing who killed Haleigh?

Art Harris of thebaldtruth.com reports cops have found a piece of a yellow rope from a home where Misty`s brother Tommy Croslin was living when little Haleigh vanished on Misty`s watch more than 14 months ago. Misty Croslin`s grandmother said Misty told her about a yellow rope as a possible weapon used to tie Haleigh to cinder blocks and then tossed her body in the St. Johns River.

HLN affiliate WJXT reports cops also pulled a pair of cinder blocks from the river and are sending them for forensic testing; could those blocks have been used to weigh down little Haleigh?

Meantime, did Ron Cummings -- get this -- purposefully divorce Misty and then intentionally get himself busted in that February drug sting along with Misty, just to try to get Misty to crack and finally tell the whole truth? Ron`s attorney made this jaw-dropping statement.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TERRY SHOEMAKER, RONALD CUMMINGS` ATTORNEY: The police have always said that, you know, first if you divorce Haleigh -- I`m sorry -- divorce Misty, you know, we`ll find something out. She`ll crack. They told him, you know if Misty got in trouble, if Misty was in jail, we could probably get her to crack.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, if true, talk about a father`s dedication, willing to get arrested, possibly go to jail.

By the way, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla tells ISSUES that Ron`s family has approached him to bail Ron out of jail. A dizzying array of new developments to discuss.

I`m taking your calls; 1877-JVM SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to my fantastic expert panel, plus we are joined by Jean Casarez, "In Session" correspondent from our sister network, TruTV.

Jean, you`re tracking this case. What is the very latest?

JEAN CASAREZ, TRUTV CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, we do know -- let`s look at the facts -- that Terry Shoemaker, the attorney for Ronald Cummings went to see him on Friday. We also know that the sheriff`s department gave him two updates during the week in regard to the search at the St. Johns River.

And now the reports are coming out that he may have, in fact, have been told to prepare for a funeral. If true, that is a huge, huge statement. Because to have a funeral, what we can translate that to, common sense tells us that they found something in the form of remains.

And I think also, Jane, it is huge that this case became a homicide case last week. That means something had to have been found in the St. Johns River.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike Brooks, everybody thinks we`re looking for a body, we`re looking for a body. But in fact, all they need is one tiny bone from that child`s body that was somehow on the river bed and test that for analysis. And if that test comes back positive, they have got what they need, right?

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: That`s exactly right, Jane, because as we know, there was a forensic anthropologist there on the scene doing some testing of some of the items that they did recover. We heard that there were items recovered by Sheriff Hardy. He said that they did recover their 20 to 30 divers.

What exactly did they get? We don`t know but the initial results that there was a cooler that was recovered; apparently they were using that as a sifter for the silty bottom of the St. Johns River. He said they were recovering all kinds of things, alligator nails, but did they recover one little piece of bone or possibly more? We don`t know.

They are holding that evidence very close to their vest. But that`s what the indications are if they are telling Ron to prepare for a funeral.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s right. Lots of new evidence up for analysis and investigation: two cinder blocks reportedly sent for testing; rope that was found allegedly in Tommy`s former home. What about deer blood found in the mystery van? The private detective who gave Misty a lie detector and voice analysis test said this on ISSUES just last week.

Quote, "She -- Misty -- talked about a van. And she said there was blood in the van. But she went to tell me that it was deer blood."

Now, Levi Page, you`re a blogger, way on top of this case. Cops said they found alligator toenails in the St. Johns River. So if they found alligator toenails that means alligators are in that river.

T.J. refused to speculate as to whether Haleigh`s killer they put deer blood on the child so that alligators would eat her but you`ve got to look at that possibility. And if it turns out there`s no body and no confession, despite everything that happened last week, is there still no case, Levi?

LEVI PAGE, INTERNET RADIO HOST AND BLOGGER (via telephone): You know what, I think that that`s a possibility. It`s horrific to think that anybody would put deer blood on a child to attract alligators to eat them.

What is interesting to me is that Haleigh Cummings had Turner Syndrome (ph). She had violent outbursts, temper tantrums, screaming. Whoever tried to do this, (INAUDIBLE) I want to know if he had any scratches, did he have any bite marks on him, any bruises that Haleigh tried to put up a fight.

Wouldn`t Misty or Tommy have had that if that were the case? There`s not that many descriptive details in order for me to believe what they are saying.

And also this -- I want to address what Ronald Cummings attorney Terry Shoemaker is saying. I think it`s a load of crap. That Ronald Cummings engages in drug trafficking in order to -- that`s not Ronald Cummings` first (INAUDIBLE). He has a history of drug offenses before this happened. And if he wanted to help police, why did he marry Misty Croslin?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, yes. None of it really makes sense. And then we`re hearing, did Ron Cummings divorce Misty and then get himself busted in that February drug sting just in order to get close to Misty.

Listen to what his attorney said yesterday. This is unbelievable.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHOEMAKER: The police have always said that, you know, first if you divorce Haleigh -- I`m sorry, divorce Misty, we`ll find something out. She`ll crack. They have told him, if Misty got in trouble, if Misty was in jail, we could probably get her to crack.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now Mark Eiglarsh, Ron`s mother is saying Ron may have gotten involved in that alleged prescription drug ring just to get close to Misty.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Makes me chuckle, Jane.

BROOKS: Exactly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why are you laughing about that?

EIGLARSH: Come on. I`ve defended enough drug traffickers to know that love isn`t their motivation. It`s the mighty dollar. Give me a break.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No. I guess what the mom is saying is that even after he divorced her, ok, they are saying the cops said divorce her, she`ll crack. So he divorces her. Then the mom is saying he got involved in the drug ring with Misty in order to get close to her to get information.

EIGLARSH: And that`s what my mother would say, too, to defend me. God bless her.

That`s a wonderful defense when you`re caught on video or audio; when a busload of nuns catch him doing whatever he`s doing, you come up with something. I think the best lies are based on half truths. Ok. Got it. He loved her, he wanted to get close to her. That works.

I`m not buying it.

BROOKS: And he married her, Jane, after the initial police report when he called her his dumb b-word girlfriend. Then he marries the woman. So what did he do? Did he marry her to try to get some information out of her, and then divorced her? I`m not buying that story.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m just saying it`s a crazy case. These people are very hard to figure out --

BROOKS: To say the least.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- right, to put it mildly.

What if, for example, Jean Casarez -- it sounds crazy but what if the mom is right, that Ron purposely maybe even colluded with the cops to be part of the sting, to get himself arrested so that they would be sure that Misty would end up in jail and therefore crack and tell the truth.

CASAREZ: Two things Jane. First of all, I heard on a jailhouse tape between Ronald Cummings and his mother Teresa Neves, her saying that to him very tenderly. Number two, I`ve watched hours of jailhouse videos, especially in the drug interaction when they were making the drug deals and definitely Misty is in charge of that whole thing. Ronald is in the back seat most of the time. He talks, but she`s really the one that is running the operation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, ok. None of it continues to make any sense. We pray that there`s a break in this case and that we can all get closure soon.

Fantastic panel; thank you so much. And remember, tomorrow night right here on ISSUES we`re going to talk to Misty and Joe`s grandmother Flora Holler (ph). She`s the one who got this whole search going. You don`t want to miss that.

[MadmamainNC]

PSA for the day... do NOT drink ample amounts of water before reading Groovsters post!
Thank you..


As far as I know, that is one of the possibilities that Grandma McNoChoppers is gumming anytime anyone will listen,,,what an awful thing to say before she actually knows. I'm not watching NG at this time, so as far as I know, there has been nothing official yet. But many are guessing some bones may have been found in the river as well as some other items, those things have been sent for testing, so we are still waiting.

[groovy135]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Ronald-Cummings-Attorney-He-trusted-Misty/F3Fw9JZM0k69s80KTSwiUA.cspx



Ronald Cummings' Attorney: He trusted Misty

ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. -- Ronald Cummings is mourning the loss of his little girl from behind bars. "Unfortunately he can't get out, be around family. He can't get comfort from the people that can give it to them," says Terry Shoemaker, Cummings' attorney.

Shoemaker spent time with Ronald after the Putnam County Sheriff announced last week that he doesn't believe Haleigh is alive. Ronald was upset to learn that his ex-wife, Misty Cummings, may have had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance. She was seen with investigators at the same spot where they believe Haleigh was taken.

"He's hurt over the fact that he trusted her, he believed in her and she told him she had nothing to do with it and she didn't know anything. He trusted her."

Ronald may have trusted Misty but his attorney says he never trusted her brother, Tommy Croslin or Misty's cousin, Joe Overstreet. "He's had his suspicions from the start about Joe, the cousin of Misty and Tommy," says Shoemaker.

Last week, Tommy Croslin's attorney told us his client led the sheriff's office to the river, where they searched for Haleigh for three days.

Joe Overstreet's attorney claims his client had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

While investigators test potential evidence in the case, Ronald remains in jail on drug charges, still hopeful that his daughter will someday come home. "He's still holding out that maybe this is another wrong tip or something else will come out of it," says Shoemaker. "But overall, I think he sees the writing on the wall and he knows it's time to start a different phase of this whole investigation."

Like you trust a rattlesnake.

[myra manes]

Criminal Profiling Topic of the Day? What is Someone Capable Of?

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/

[groovy135]

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/04/20/news/news01.txt


What's next for the Haleigh case?

By Kristin Chambers
Published: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:52 AM EDT

After publicly stating they believe Haleigh Cummings is dead, investigators say the case has not changed from their perspective.

"You lose the Amber Alert out of that, but that's the only significant difference between any tool or investigative strategy that changes or diminishes," Maj. Gary Bowling, director of Law Enforcement for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said Monday.

"Nobody believed we were looking for a live child anymore, and our investigation pointed to that, so we just wanted to be as honest as we could about it," he said.

The 5-year-old girl was reported missing by her babysitter, then 17-year-old Misty Croslin, at 3:27 a.m. on Feb. 10, 2009.

No sign of the child has been found.

Several persons of interest have been determined, but are not being named, including whomever gave the tip that led dive teams scouring below the murky water for clues, Sheriff Jeff Hardy said last week.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy said last week.

Haleigh's new status will also keep the investigation on the path to her killer rather than the person that abducted her, Bowling said.

"You create more effectiveness or direction from your homicide folks, including the homicide unit from the State Attorney's Office," Bowling said.

A three-day search encompassed portions of the St. Johns River off the Shell Harbour boat ramp in Satsuma last week, prompting a flock of national media attention. Several items were pulled from the area and have been sent to labs for individual analysis.

It is unknown whether the items are related to Haleigh's disappearance, however Hardy confirmed that no human remains were found.

Bowling said he does not anticipate another search in the near future. But, he said, if authorities do conduct another search, not much would change.

"If someone says we are looking for a huge object five feet from shore in the river then we might send a diver down there. If it is in the woods then we are going to mount up a different search team. It really changes from time to time," he said.

Though the homicide unit now leads on the case on paper, Bowling said the same detectives would remain on the case.

"They did a joint investigation for the potentiality that it shifted from one to the other, and so it kind of stays the same," he said.

Hardy stated last week that he believes "it is a matter of time" before the case is solved.

"I think that's true," Bowling said. "We are working diligently toward it. We are going to keep investigating it diligently. I also think it is a matter of time."

kchambers@palatkadailynews.com

[groovy135]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/


Haleigh's family is planning her funeral

- There is also a video. Ann is helping CRYSTAL PLAN.

Last Update: 4/19 11:24 pm

Slideshow JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- For 14 months, the family of Haleigh Cummings held onto hope that the little girl would be found alive. But last week, that hope faded when the Putnam County Sheriff announced he doesn't believe the little girl is alive. "They're grieving, their heart is broken," says Ann Dugger, with the Justice Coalition.

Dugger has supported Haleigh's family during the last year, while investigators searched for the little girl. Now she's helping them as they begin to plan Haleigh's funeral.

While Dugger helps Haleigh's family with the grieving process, State Attorney Angela Corey talked to Action News about the other difficult task for this family -- seeking justice. "Now they have the long and torturous course of the arrest and the prosecution," says Corey.

Even though Haleigh's body hasn't been found, Corey believes this case can still be prosecuted. "It's more of a challenge but because we're allowed to use circumstantial evidence, the prosecution will be able to proceed."

Investigators have sent potential evidence to labs for testing. Once that process is over, we could know more about what happened to Haleigh. Until then, Ann Dugger says she'll be there for the family. "Now we must go on and try to figure out, what do we need to do to help this family go on?

[groovy135]

Huh???....the depth of my confusion on this case is overwhelming,,,I can't begin to have any idea what this means, saw it on SM,

http://www.writeintoaction.com/


Press Release


Minneapolis FBI receives names of Putnam County Sheriff’s Officers alleged to operate sex ring


East Grand Forks, MN, April 20, 2010: The Minneapolis FBI has received the full names of ranking officers at the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department, Palatka, FL, alleged to be operating a child prostitution ring in Putnam County, FL. The information was provided to federal authorities by a former Minnesota/North Dakota newspaper reporter, today. The information provided to authorities is based upon alleged statements of John Regan, Hastings, FL, in March, 2009. John Regan is the father of former HaLeigh Bug Center administrator, Jeremiah Regan. According to the information provided to the FBI, John Regan interfered with a police report regarding the possible sexual abuse of HaLeigh Cummings; he said that the case will never be solved by law enforcement in Putnam County. The high-profile names of the officers involved in the child prostitution are recognizable in daily news reports.

Press Release

[groovy135]

From SM,

http://www.flaglerclerk.com/pa/?Accept=Accept+Disclaimer+%26+Start+Search


Took a trip over to Flagler County Clerk of Courts. Tommy Jr. is well known in that County as well.


2007 MM 000903 STATE OF FLORIDA VS. CROSLIN, JR, HANK T

File Date 04/19/2007 Case Status CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) Case Status Date 04/19/2007
Case Disposition CLOSED (CRIMINAL/NONCRIMINAL) Case Disposition Date 05/01/2007



Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
CROSLIN, JR, HANK T DEFENDANT



Party Charge(s)
Case Party CROSLIN, JR, HANK T
Count Code Description Disposition Disposition
Date
1 784.03 BATTERY ADJUDICATION WITHELD 05/01/2007

Party Charge Sentence
Probation Type: Years: 000 Months: 06 Days: 00 Start Date: 05/01/2007


Financial Entries
Receipt # Date Received From Amount Paid
27744 10/26/2007 CROSLIN JR, HANK THOMAS 114.00

Payment
PENDING VALIDATION -114.00
CASH 114.00
PENDING VALIDATION 114.00

Fee
FINE DISCRETIONARY 114.00




Receipt # Date Received From Amount Paid
19587 07/25/2007 CROSLIN JR, HANK THOMAS 110.00

Payment
PENDING VALIDATION -110.00
CASH 110.00
PENDING VALIDATION 110.00

Fee
MANDATORY COST 71.00
FINE MANDATORY 2.00
FINE DISCRETIONARY 37.00




Receipt # Date Received From Amount Paid
14782 06/06/2007 CROSLIN JR, HANK THOMAS 20.00

Payment
PENDING VALIDATION -20.00
CASH 20.00
PENDING VALIDATION 20.00

Fee
MANDATORY COST 20.00




Receipt # Date Received From Amount Paid
11510 05/03/2007 CROSLIN JR, HANK THOMAS 100.00

Payment
BOND APPLIED 100.00

Fee
MANDATORY COST 100.00




Receipt # Date Received From Amount Paid
11509 05/03/2007 CROSLIN JR, HANK THOMAS 100.00

Payment
CASH 100.00

Fee
BOND 100.00






Docket Entries

Date Text
05/03/2007 TRANSFER FUNDS Transfer Date: 05/03/2007 Location: CLERK OF COURT Transfer From: COURT GENERAL Case Number: 2007 BD 000218 Received From: COLLINS, LINDSAY On Behalf Of: CROSLIN, HANK JR, DEFENDANT From Docket: CASH BOND DEPOSIT Transfer: 100.00 Receipt Number: 11508 Total: 100.00 Transfer To: COURT GENERAL Case Number: 2007 MM 000903 Received From: CROSLIN JR, HANK THOMAS On Behalf Of: CROSLIN JR, HANK THOMAS, DEFENDANT To Docket: CASH BOND DEPOSIT Transfer: 100.00 Receipt Number: 11509 Total: 100.00 Comment: 64393
05/03/2007 CASH BOND DEPOSIT Receipt: 11509 Date: 05/03/2007
05/03/2007 CLOSED CASE
05/01/2007 M FINE DISCRETIONARY Charge #1: BATTERY Receipt: 19587 Date: 07/25/2007 Receipt: 27744 Date: 10/26/2007
05/01/2007 LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FEE Charge #1: BATTERY Receipt: 19587 Date: 07/25/2007
05/01/2007 M MANDATORY COSTS Charge #1: BATTERY Receipt: 11510 Date: 05/03/2007 Receipt: 14782 Date: 06/06/2007 Receipt: 19587 Date: 07/25/2007
05/01/2007 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE-OR BOOK 1570 PAGE 1711
05/01/2007 WRITTEN PLEA GUILTY/NO CONTEST - WAIVER OF COUNSEL
05/01/2007 OBTS PRE-COURT OR COURT PHASE INFORMATION Count: 1 Charge Status: SAME Final Plea: NOLO CONTENDRE/NO CONTEST 05/01/2007 Court Action: ADJ W/H BY JUDGE 05/01/2007 Disp. Judge: ATACK, JUDGE SHARON B Court Action: NO TRIAL Date Imposed: 05/01/2007 Type: SUPERVISED Start Date: 05/01/2007 Cost of Super.: 40 Time YYY: 000 MM: 06 DD: 00 County: FLAGLER Defr Sentence: No Fine: 344.00 Disp. Date: 05/01/2007 Pty Chrg Dsp: ADJUDICATION WITHELD Charge #1: BATTERY
04/19/2007 BOOKING REPORT
04/19/2007 798
04/19/2007 BOND INFORMATION Arrest Bond Added to Case with: Arrest Date: 04/16/2007 Initial Charge #: 1 Initial Action Code: Prosecutor Count #: Prosecutor Action Code: Custody Location: BOND Bond Status: BOND POSTED Status Date: 04/16/2007 Bond Type: CASH BOND Bond/Pwr No.: 64393 Bond Amount: $100 Bonding Co.: Cash Depositor: COLLINS, LINDSAY
04/19/2007 NOTICE TO APPEAR NOTICE TO APPEAR Sent on: 04/19/2007 14:58:08
04/19/2007 COURT EVENT Event: ARRAIGNMENT Date: 05/01/2007 Time: 9:00 am Judge: ATACK, JUDGE SHARON B Location: ROOM 228 Result: DISPOSED

--------------------------------------------------------------------

File Date 04/06/2005 Case Status CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) Case Status Date 04/27/2005
Case Disposition CLOSED - NON REPORTING Case Disposition Date 04/27/2005



Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
COLLINS, LINDSY K PETITIONER PRO SE


CROSLIN, HANK T RESPONDENT



Case Schedule
Date Start Time Event Type Result
04/12/2005 01:00 PM HEARING



Docket Entries

Date Text
08/11/2005 NOTICE OF DELINQUENCY
05/03/2005 FILE TO CHILD SUPPORT - RTND 5/9/05
04/27/2005 ORDER DISSOLVING FJ OF INJ, ETC
04/22/2005 FILE TO JUDGE-KCH - RTND 4/27/05
04/19/2005 STIPULATION TO DISSOLVE FJ OF INJ
04/19/2005 ORDER OF DISMISSAL OF INJUNCTION-PET'S REQUEST
04/15/2005 FILE TO JUDGE-KCH - RTND 4/19/05
04/15/2005 MOTION OF PET FOR ORDER DISSOLVING INJ,ETC
04/15/2005 AFFIDAVIT LINDSY COLLINS
04/13/2005 FILE TO CHILD SUPPORT - RTND 4/13/05
04/12/2005 FINAL JUDGMENT OF INJUNCTION-UNTIL 5/1/2006, SUPPORT Pages: 1091-9PGS
04/12/2005 FILE TO JUDGE-JP/RET'D
04/07/2005 RET OF SERV-SRVD--4/6/05, HANK THOMAS CROSLIN, JR.
04/06/2005 TEMP INJ FOR PROT/NOT OF HEARING-APRIL 12, 2005 @ 1PM
04/06/2005 SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT SHEET
04/06/2005 NOTICE OF SOC.SEC.#- - LINDSY K. COLLINS
04/06/2005 FAMILY LAW FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT- - LINDSY K. COLLINS
04/06/2005 UCCJA AFFIDAVIT - LINDSY K. COLLINS
04/06/2005 PETITION FOR INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MORE ....

CROSLIN, HANK T RESPONDENT CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2005 DR 000466
CROSLIN, HANK T DEFENDANT 08/02/1986 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2005 CT 000712 A
CROSLIN, HANK T DEFENDANT 08/02/1986 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2005 MM 000025 A
CROSLIN, HANK T DEFENDANT 08/02/1986 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2005 MM 000847 A
CROSLIN, HANK T DEFENDANT 08/02/1986 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2005 TR 001404
CROSLIN, HANK T DEFENDANT 08/02/1986 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2007 MM 000903
CROSLIN, HANK T ALSO KNOWN AS DEFENDANT 08/02/1986 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2005 CT 000712 A
CROSLIN, HANK T ALSO KNOWN AS DEFENDANT 08/02/1986 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2005 MM 000025 A
CROSLIN, HANK T ALSO KNOWN AS DEFENDANT 08/02/1986 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2005 MM 000847 A
CROSLIN, LISA DEFENDANT 09/10/1969 CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) 2003 MM 000065 A

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124362



Haleigh Cummings - Some Comments From [/B[B]]Tim MillerPosted on April 20th, 2010 by Simon Barrett in Society and Culture, crimeRead 5 times.Earlier this morning a friend sent a rather interesting audio recording to me. It is of Tim Miller and was made after the recent search of the Shell Harbour area.

Tim has some interesting comments to make about the various searches that were conducted. There is a wealth of information in this 5 minute audio.There are several things that I found interesting in it.

For some time there has been a rumor circulating that Tim Miller was not permitted to search the St. Johns river with his side scan sonar equipment. Tim clears that situation up. Law Enforcement already had side scan radars deployed so he opted not to duplicate the effort.

Of real interest is that when Tim Miller returned to Satsuma for the second series of searches he asked Misty Croslin for some ideas for places to search. She apparently gave him a list of 4 or 5 locations. It turns out that one of them was Shell Harbour.

I think in listening to this audio you can get a real sense of Tim Millers frustration. His funding at that time was limited, he had to use his resources with care. I also get the sense that now Tim is regretting not spending the money he didn’t have!

The other thing that I picked up in this is a sense that Misty wanted to tell him where to search but in an act of self preservation gave him some red herrings as well.

Listen to the audio here.

It is a shame that no recordings exist of the conversations between Misty Croslin and Tim Miller as they might reveal a great deal. I had a lengthy discussion yesterday with Peter Hyatt, he is an expert on ’statement analysis’ and I am sure that he could unravel the tangled knot.

Peter incidentally will be joining us on the radio next Sunday, by which time I am hoping that he will have been able to analyze some audio files that we have supplied him with.

Simon Barrett

[Rockin Ma]

Huh???....the depth of my confusion on this case is overwhelming,,,I can't begin to have any idea what this means, saw it on SM,

http://www.writeintoaction.com/



What??? I can't find anything backing that up. No google search (except bringing me to that post) and heres the minn. fbi press release page:

http://minneapolis.fbi.gov/press.htm

[mystery]

Has Haleigh Cummings Bones Been Found At Crime Scene?
April 20, 2010 08:41 PM EDT
views: 2031 | comments: 3
Sources are saying that Misty Croslin was taking to the crime scene and shown bones, that are believe to be Haleigh bones. Misty and Tommy rode back to the jail together and she told Tommy what she seen. Detective deny to public bones were found. It's is said bones are now being tested for DNA.

Two pieces of rope has been found also and is being test along with cinder blocks at crime lab.

Grandmother of Misty said she's starting to believe all of her grandchildren are involved in Haleigh's death and now thinks Misty was In the van too. Misty and Tommy our both still blaming Cousin Joe Overstreet who still is denying being at river.



I don't know what the real story is, but whatever done in the dark will come to light!


http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978186240

Nancy Grace said same thing tonight.

[mystery]

GRACE: I am hearing in my ear we have breaking news right now. Let`s go to Art Harris, investigative journalist at Artharris.com. Art, what is it?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Nancy, sources are telling me that Misty Croslin has been shown bones at the crime scene on the river in Satsuma, Florida. She was taken to the crime scene, to the river, and detectives showed her what they had found. The bones have been sent to the crime lab to be analyzed, Nancy, and compared with DNA from Haleigh Cummings.

GRACE: OK, repeat. Misty Croslin was taken by police down to the St. John`s River, and...

HARRIS: That`s right.

GRACE: ... at that time was shown bones. Haleigh Cummings, 5-year- old Haleigh Cummings`s bones?

HARRIS: Well, what I`m saying is she was shown bones that my sources believe were Haleigh`s. And she told this to cousin Tommy on a ride back to the St. John`s County jail, where they`re both being held on drug charges. As amazing as it seems, they were allowed to ride together in the police car.

GRACE: Art, it`s not that amazing. Cops put people together in the back seat all the time, hoping they`ll start talking and the cops can hear them.

HARRIS: That`s what they did, Nancy. And apparently, this is what erupted, and Misty Croslin told her brother that she had been shown bones at the crime scene. I don`t know what his response was. But this is considered a major break in the case.

GRACE: OK. Art Harris, where did the bones come from? Do we know?

HARRIS: Nancy, I don`t know that. I know that bones have been found in the river. This is an area where Tommy has gone before to go hunting and thrown deer carcasses into that river. Divers have found deer bones in the river. I have not confirmed that the bones, the human bones, if any, were found in the river.

GRACE: But you know that they showed Haleigh`s bones to Misty Croslin after bringing her down. And what do they hope to gain by showing her that, to get a confession?

HARRIS: Nancy, I think in any situation like this, they hope to shock her into some sort of revelation, into some sort of evidence or some sort of piece of information they can compare to what she`s said before or use it to refute what others have told them in the case that will bring it one step closer to a conclusion and an arrest.

GRACE: Art Harris, investigative journalist, breaking the news tonight that Misty Croslin, the baby-sitter-turned-stepmother, the last one known to be with Haleigh, the 5-year-old little Satsuma girl, alive has been shown purported bones belonging to Haleigh.

GRACE: Straight back out to Art Harris, breaking the story that Misty Croslin, baby-sitter-turned-stepmother, taken down to the docks of the St. John`s River and shown bones purported to be Haleigh`s, little 5-year-old Haleigh`s bones. She`s then put in the back of the police car with Tommy Croslin.

Art Harris, what can you tell me about DNA?

HARRIS: I can tell you, Nancy, that the bones that were taken from the river and shown to Misty Croslin will be compared to DNA from Haleigh. Now, the parents of Haleigh Cummings, Ron and Crystal, had parked (ph) that DNA, had saved it for just such a tragic eventuality. A lot of parents do have DNA of their children. And the crime lab now has Haleigh`s DNA. They`ll be comparing it to these bones.

GRACE: Do you know, Art, whether the two parents individually gave their own DNA?

HARRIS: I`m sure they would have volunteered it, if they...

GRACE: But they had Haleigh`s DNA that they gave. It could be anything, a toothbrush, a hair strand with a root, or they could even try mitochondrial DNA. Art Harris reporting that Haleigh`s DNA and the parents` DNA now at the crime lab in order to compare to bones found in the river.

Joining me right now is a special guest. This is Misty Croslin`s grandmother, Ms. Flora Hollars, who was kind enough to join us last week. Ms. Hollars, thank you for being with us.

Do I have Ms. Hollars with me? Ms. Hollars, can you hear me? Liz, see if you can get Ms. Hollars`s satellite connected back up.

I want to go straight out to Marlaina Schiavo. What more can you tell me, Marlaina? She`s joining us there in Florida.

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, with what Art is saying about Misty being down by the river and these bones -- you have to remember, there was a van from the University of Florida, from the human identification lab, that was down by that river during that search for an hour-and-a-half. Why was it there? Could have something to do with what Art is saying. But there is a lot of buzz down here about bones and remains. I asked lead detectives today. They`re still denying that they found any human remains, Nancy. But the question is still on the table.

GRACE: Jean Casarez, weigh in.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": The forensic lab that was on scene, I think it`s very relevant. Let`s look at the facts. Law enforcement has told us that forensic anthropologist and lab was on scene to look at what was being taken out of the water. Nancy, we know forensic anthropologists deal in bones, so they can determine on site if something is relevant or not relevant, human bone or animal bone. And they decided some things would go on for further testing. That tells a lot right there.

GRACE: I want to go straight back out to Art Harris. Art, Misty Croslin taken down to the docks of the St. John, shown bones. Do we know what her reaction was?

HARRIS: I don`t know her reaction, Nancy. But I know that she was excited enough about it to talk to her brother, Tommy Croslin, on their trip together back to the St. John`s County jail, where they are both held and being charged with drug trafficking.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait! Back it up! Back it up! "Excited" -- do you mean surprised, shocked, afraid, what? What do you mean "excited"?

HARRIS: An emotional discussion. I don`t have...

GRACE: Emotional -- "excited" would be the words to use when you see a child`s body -- bones from her body. What about it? Joining me crime analyst, the director of the cold case squad, Pine Lake PD, Sheryl McCollum.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: Excellent police work, Nancy, is what you are seeing. They have taken their time for the last 14 months. They`re letting these folks talk. They`re letting them talk to each other. We`ve all heard the tapes. Of course, they`re going to put them in the car with each other.

GRACE: What do you make of them taking her down and showing her the bones?

MCCOLLUM: Outstanding! You show her those bones. If they...

GRACE: And let her know.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: It`s over!

MCCOLLUM: Absolutely. And let`s say she has the reaction. Put her in the car with Tommy. And of course, they`re going to have a discussion about it because they are busted.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Alex Sanchez, defense attorney, New York, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney, Atlanta. Ray Giudice, what about it?

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I agree with Sheryl, this is some good police work. They were very patient for the last 14 months. They haven`t quite sewed this up together...

GRACE: All you can say is, I agree with Sheryl?

GIUDICE: Yes, but there`s one...

GRACE: I will give you a moment to recoup. What about it, Sanchez?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I find it very peculiar that the police would show her the bones. And it raises a question in my mind whether or not they staged that event just for the purposes of trying to provoke her to make a statement.

GRACE: Well, according to you, Haleigh`s not really missing, she`s on a vacation in the Riviera!

SANCHEZ: No. No. I don`t know what happened to her exactly. But for the police to show them the bones -- she could contaminate the bones. That`s not proper police procedure, and you know it, Nancy!

GRACE: For those of you just joining us -- straight out to Art Harris, investigative journalist, with breaking news.

Art.

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, WWW.ARTHARRIS.COM: Nancy, sources are telling me that Misty Croslin has been taken to the crime scene, the St. Johns River, and shown bones by detectives, bones purportedly belonging to Haleigh Cummings.

GRACE: And what was Cummings -- well, when she saw the bones belonging to Haleigh Cummings, what was Misty Croslin`s response?

HARRIS: Nancy, I don`t have her reaction. I know, though, that she discussed the bones with her brother Tommy Croslin on their trip back to the St. Johns County jail together.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Now back to the lawyers, Alex Sanchez, defense attorney, New York. Raymond Giudice, defense attorney, Atlanta.

Ray, anything wrong with putting those two in the back of a squad car and driving them back to the jail?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, you can cry as a defense lawyer that it`s bad and it`s wrong. But it ain`t. And that testimony, if it`s tape-recorded, or the officer`s impression of the hearsay expression as an excited utterance is going to come into evidence.

What I`m getting at is, the defense teams better know right now the quality of the evidence against them. The only thing that`s keeping the prosecution from an indictment is they want that positive DNA before they present it to a grand jury, and I bet that`ll happen within 30 days.

GRACE: OK. Ray, back it up one more time.

GIUDICE: OK.

GRACE: They show Croslin the bones.

GIUDICE: That`s right.

GRACE: They put her in the car with brother Tommy Croslin. First time they`ve probably been physically together since they were arrested.

GIUDICE: And her response --

GRACE: Right after she sees the bones, what happens?

GIUDICE: And her responses in those conversations are not forced by law enforcement. They don`t need to be Mirandized. Just as Casey Anthony`s reaction in the nursing area when they told her her child had been found.

That is going to be a problem for the defense. Don`t worry about contamination. When that DNA links those bones up -- if it does, to this child, case over.

GRACE: You mentioned excited utterance. For those of us that may not know what you`re talking about explain in a nutshell, Giudice.

GIUDICE: That`s an exception under the law to hearsay coming into court. An excited utterance means it was -- the statement was made in such a heat of passion, such an excited utterance, no thought to be given to giving a false statement. That comes into evidence.

GRACE: Weigh in, Alex Sanchez.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think it`s very clear from what I`ve heard so far that both Misty Croslin and Tommy Croslin have thrown their lot with the police.

Their lawyers and the police are cooperating. So any statements they`re making at this point can be used for investigative purposes and can be used against them at a later date.

GRACE: But it seems to me that these two are stewing in the same pot, Alex Sanchez, and that they are colluding to blame Joe Overstreet. And I`m not saying he`s not involved.

SANCHEZ: Yes.

GRACE: But it seems to me that they`re all part and parcel of what happened to 5-year-old Haleigh.

SANCHEZ: I don`t think the police trust -- even though Misty and Tommy are cooperating with the police, I don`t think the police trust everything she`s saying or what Tommy`s saying. So they`re keeping a careful eye on them, and that`s why they`re engaged in putting them in the police car and hoping that they make some type of more inculpatory type statements.

GRACE: With us tonight, Alex Sanchez, defense attorney, New York, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney, Atlanta.

Out to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. What more can you tell me, Ellie?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, we know that all three of these people -- Misty Croslin, her brother Tommy Croslin, their cousin Joe Overstreet -- we know that all three of them are telling different versions about what happened that night.

But the only person who doesn`t place himself at the scene is Joe Overstreet. He continues to insist that he was not in the trailer that night, that he was in fact asleep over at another relative`s house, and that he got a call in the middle of the night letting him know Haleigh was missing. He does not say he was there.

GRACE: Joining me right now, special guest, the president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation, Marc Klaas. Joining us from San Francisco.

Marc, what do you make of it?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT & FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I think we have to wait until the DNA evidence comes back from the lab, and then we`ll know several things.

First of all, we`ll know whether or not -- well, if it does come back positive, we`ll know that the little girl Haleigh is dead. And they can start preparing for a funeral. And her parents with start dealing with that.

And they`ll be able to put together this murder investigation. And if I were any one of these three people -- Tommy, Misty, or Joe -- I would be in absolute fear for my life because Ron Cummings has made it very, very clear that he is going to kill whoever was responsible for the death of his little girl.

GRACE: And speaking of Ronald Cummings, Marc Klaas, joining me right now, Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter out of Sacramento, California who has offered to bond out Ronald Cummings.

Leonard, thank you for being with us. What do you make of Art`s breaking news?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, OFFERING TO BAIL RON CUMMINGS OUT OF JAIL: Well, I think it`s all -- he`s always right on top of everything and ahead of everybody else. But there`s one thing that we`re forgetting. Law enforcement has the phone calls that went back and forth, say, after 10:00 until 3:00 in the morning, and they have the phones that they went from and to.

We`re eliminating automatically Tim and Chelsea from the equation and putting it on Joe because of what Chelsea said as far as the keys on the counter and the van being parked somewhere else.

Now, Lindsay stood by her husband Tommy over 50 conversations. Chelsea has stood by Timmy over 50 conversations. Joe is saying I wasn`t there, I didn`t do anything.

But law enforcement knows what phone calls came from and what phones they went to. And nobody has bothered to say, well, wait a minute, the van was borrowed from Tommy -- actually, it`s Lindsay because it`s her van. And it was at Timmy and Chelsea`s house.

Joe was merely a guest there. And everybody`s dumping on Joe. I don`t believe Joe had anything to do with it. I tend to -- I`m going to err, if at all, on the side of Joe and say he didn`t have anything to do with it.

So who brought the van from Timmy`s house, picked up Tommy, or whatever, and then went to Misty?

Now Misty`s not telling anybody the truth as to what happened to the child. The child was already deceased when they came to that trailer. So what happened there?

GRACE: Joining right now, Dr. David M. Posey, medical examiner, forensic pathologist out of the Glen Oaks Pathology Medical Group, L.A.

Dr. Posey, Marc Klaas says we`re going to have to wait until we get the DNA on those bones. But the reality is in a rush how quickly can you get DNA?

DR. DAVID POSEY, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST; GLENN OAKS PATHOLOGY MED. GROUP: Well, I think they can probably have it within a week. It is a complicated procedure, and you`ve got to go through a number of steps.

But I think, you know, one week we should be able to have some good idea that the bones belong to whoever or they`re not Haleigh`s bones.

GRACE: To Sheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Squad, Pine Lake.

Sheryl.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, DIRECTOR, COLD CASE SQUAD, PINE LAKE: It could be faster than a week. Three days, Nancy.

GRACE: Three days. Seventy-two hours, and you can get r-felt DNA.

MCCOLLUM: Absolutely.

GRACE: With me Dr. Leslie Austin -- Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist.

Dr. Leslie, wouldn`t you have liked to have been in the back of that squad car with Misty Croslin and Tommy Croslin after police show Misty Croslin -- the new stepmother -- little Haleigh`s bones?

LESLIE AUSTIN, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I sure would have. I would have given anything to hear that conversation. And if it was taped, hopefully maybe we will. I don`t trust anything either of them says except in a circumstance like that when they`re not smart enough to think that maybe they`re being monitored.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Becky, Ohio. Hi, Becky.

BECKY, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hi, Nancy. Hey, I have a question.

GRACE: OK.

BECKY: I remember way back early in the investigation when a dog hit on a scent in Misty`s dumpster by her trailer.

GRACE: Right.

BECKY: And I was wondering would it be possible that after she had disposed of the body she got to thinking and called her brother and he decided since he had deposited deer carcasses there in the river that that would be a better place to hide her body?

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session," I recall when the cadaver dog made that hit. Do you?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": That`s right. I remember the cameras that were there. There was live pictures of them searching that dumpster because of the hit.

They didn`t find anything. It wasn`t that close in time, though, to when Haleigh went missing. So definitely the dumpster could have been emptied or, as Becky is saying, the dumpster could have had the remains taken out and put someplace else by someone.

GRACE: Breaking news tonight. Misty Croslin, the new stepmother, taken down to the docks of the St. Johns River and shown bones purported to be those of little Haleigh.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/20/ng.01.html

[mystery]

The Bald Truth has learned exclusively that detectives showed Misty Croslin bones at the crime scene along the St. John’s River —-bones police believe could be the remains of Haleigh Cummings, the five year old she reported missing 14 months ago from a trailer home just down the road from the boat ramp where her brother, Tommy, has indicated little Haleigh’s body was dumped.

We first reported what experts say could be a major break in the case Tuesday night on CNN Headline News’ Nancy Grace Show, where the former prosecutor credited The Bald Truth, aka artharris.com, with an exclusive that offers a rare, real time window into police strategy being used to crack stubborn players in one of the most frustrating, and heinous, child murders in Florida history. Law enforcement maintains Misty Croslin holds the key to what happened to Haleigh.

“All she said was they (Putnam County Sheriff’s investigators) showed her bones at the river,” a source close to the case tells The Bald Truth.
The source tells me Misty Croslin shared the blockbuster news with her brother, Tommy Croslin last Friday night, after the handcuffed siblings were driven from nearby St. Augustine, Florida’s St. John’s County Jail—-separately—-where they await trial on drug trafficking charges.

Once they reached the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department in Palatka, detectives put Misty and Tommy Croslin in separate rooms for further interrogation, before allowing them to ride together back to jail in the next county. Sources tell me it was their first extended visit since both were arrested on drug charges three months ago.

During the 40 minute ride, Misty shared the blockbuster news, sources tell The Bald Truth –– that detectives showed her bones at the river possibly belonging to her former stepdaughter, Haleigh.

Other than saying she showed “emotion,” it’s unclear how either reacted or what was said, but their ride, like collect calls from jail, was caught on audio tape, sources say, like the shocking conversations captured on audio and videotape by the undercover agent who busted the Croslins, Ronald Cummings, cousin Hope Sykes and Misty confidante Donna Brock back in January.

It’s a common strategy for law enforcement to put suspects together at key turning points in a major investigation, says veteran Atlanta criminal defense attorney Ray Guidice, to spark some sort of conflict or interaction that could yield crucial clues to fill in gaps in a case. “It’s a defense lawyers worst nightmare,” says Giudice, “what we call ‘an excited utterance’– an exception to the hearsay rule and can be allowed as evidence. So if Misty talked about the bones spontaneously and implicated someone, a defense lawyer would have a hard time keeping it out.”

Police declined to confirm the account, or comment on any possible evidence.

But Terry Shoemaker, Ronald Cummings attorney, told Nancy Grace police have advised his client, and mother Crystal Sheffield, to make funeral arrangements to bury their missing five year old, an unlikely heads up unless remains had been recovered.

Last week, during a two and a half day search of the river, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy officially declared the case a homicide. He’d already told family they have evidence Haleigh was murdered, but declined to confirm whether the evidence includes a body, or any human remains, or what so called evidence has been sent to the crime lab for analysis. After meeting investigators, we reported exclusively that Haleigh’s mother rushed from police headquarters in tears, and blurted, “Joe killed my baby!”

Sources tell me that the often stoic father broke down when he learned Haleigh was dead.

Our sources say the parents have turned over items containing Haleigh’s DNA, for forensic experts to compare to DNA from bones found at the river, including some believed to be deer bones. Forensic anthropologists were among the investigators at the river last week.

Sources also tell us Tommy Croslin once tossed a deer carcass into the St. John’s River at the Shell Harbor boat ramp, said to be a favorite fishing spot of not only Tommy, but Ronald Cummings and Tennessee cousin Joe Overstreet, who was visiting when Haleigh vanished.

One source tells me deer bones were among items recovered from the spot on the river, where divers faced swift currents, and zero visibility as they dredged the mud with giant coolers. Deer bones were also found in the river off a dock closer to Cummings’ trailer that was searched within 48 hours of Haleigh’s disappearance.

During one visit to the river, Ronald Cummings told me Joe Overstreet relished tossing deer meat into the water and watching alligators go into a feeding frenzy. “He said, all of a sudden, there were a hundred eyes that popped out of the water, and Joe said, ‘This would be a good place to get rid of a body.’”

Overstreet is the Croslin family’s favorite suspect, and both Misty, in letters to family, and Tommy, in collect calls to grandmother Flora Hollars in Antioch, Tenn., say Joe killed Haleigh in a fit of rage after dropping by Ronald’s trailer to steal a gun that wasn’t there, and taking Haleigh instead.

After three interviews with investigators, Joe Overstreet maintains his innocence, saying two relatives accusing him have flunked 5 polygraphs between them and fingers should be pointing back at them. My sources close to the case say police have no probable cause to charge Overstreet, that he’s cooperated and that, unlike the suspicious spin the Croslin’s have put on his departure after Haleigh vanished, his lawyer maintains he had arranged to leave town long before the child went missing, and spent his last day helping put up Haleigh posters.

In ruling him out so far, sources tell me law enforcement confirmed and factored in his travel plans as a partial alibi.

But grandmother Flora Hollars isn’t so sure, and told HLN’s Jane Velez Mitchell Tuesday night she believed all three of her grandchildren had a role in killing and disposing of Haleigh Cummings, that Joe hasn’t been the same since returning from his visit in Florida 14 months ago, that he’s been irritable, on edge.

But why did Misty and Tommy wait so long to go public with what happened? According to Hollars, they were scared of cousin Joe, a thin, rather wimpy looking 21 year old who brandishes a gun that looks like a Beretta on his My Space page, holding it sideways and grinning like a thug.

“Misty called and said, ‘Joe put a knife to my throat and said he’d kill me, shoot Tommy and kill my family, and you, too, Grannie,’ Hollars told me in a recent phone conversation, one of dozens we’ve had over the last six months. “I said, ‘Misty, you don’t have to worry about me, tell what happened.”
————
http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/21/exclusive-cops-show-misty-croslin-the-bones-will-dna-tests-id-haleigh-cummings-remains/#more-4165

[mystery]

Misty Croslin saw bones on her recent visit to a dock along the St. Johns River, but they were not human bones, according to the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

A tip last week led investigators to conduct an intense three-day search at the Shell Harbour boat ramp south of Satsuma in Putnam County.

Haleigh Cummings has been missing since February, 2009, and Misty Croslin is the one who said she put her to bed that night.

Croslin, now jailed on drug charges, was brought in shackles to the boat ramp.

According to the sheriff's office, divers had uncovered many bones and placed them near the dock to dry.

They were mostly deer bones, with some alligator and possibly other animal bones.

An anthropologist was on the scene to identify them.

The sheriff's office said Croslin saw the bones as she was being led to the ramp, but at no time did investigators tell her they were human bones.

The sheriff's office also said many of the bones were shipped to the FDLE lab for further investigation, and that some of those may be shipped on to other labs as well.

While some items have been shipped to a human remains lab in Gainesville, investigators said that was only for teaching purposes at the lab, and they do not need those items back.

The biggest news to come out of last week's search was that Sheriff Jeff Hardy announced that his department believes Haleigh is most likely dead, but he said the search will continue until they know what happened.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3

[mystery]

Detective John Merchant, the lead investigator in the Haleigh Cummings homicide case, says police need to build a strong case without a body. Members from the Putnam County Sheriff's Office met with the parents of Haleigh Cummings today to let them know their options.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy announced last week that he is confident enough to say that 5-year-old Haleigh is likely dead. Now it is up to her parents to determine how to celebrate her life even without tangible proof of her death.


Haleigh Cummings
Ronald Cummings' attorney told us Ronald and his family were advised to start making funeral arrangements, "They told them that it was now a homicide investigation and no longer a missing persons, and that they would have enough to go forward if they wanted to make funeral arrangements."

According to Merchant he presented two options to parents Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield about a funeral for Haleigh: The couple could wait seven years for Haleigh to be declared dead by the state of Florida and then be issued a death certificate or they can go before a judge before the seven years lapses to request a death certificate.

The talk of funerals and death certificates all comes while Law Enforcement officials continue to deny that a body or any form of remains belonging to Haleigh Cummings were located during their three day search of the St. Johns River.

Yet, there are persons of interest to still be named. Although, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office is not releasing names we were told "I think ya'll know who they are."

You do the mathhttp://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/21/haleighs-family-told-to-make-funeral-arrangements-did-cops-find-a-body/

[MadmamainNC]

Groovy, regarding that article on the FBI.. I believe every bit of it. First off, I told a few in PM's that I felt Ron's hands with the police dept went a little bit too deep. There's only one explanation for someone to have as many charges as he's had against him, dropped.

[MadmamainNC]

The Bald Truth has learned exclusively that detectives showed Misty Croslin bones at the crime scene along the St. John’s River —-bones police believe could be the remains of Haleigh Cummings, the five year old she reported missing 14 months ago from a trailer home just down the road from the boat ramp where her brother, Tommy, has indicated little Haleigh’s body was dumped.

WHY? I mean for crying out loud? She's got a 5th grade education and they're going to show her bones to ask her if they are Haleigh's? Or have her differentiate between human and deer? Pointless...absolutely pointless.

This is the first time I've even known LE to take a suspect to the crime seen to show them evidence.
Damn I wish they would have done this with the other twatwaffle.

[Rhoni]

WHY? I mean for crying out loud? She's got a 5th grade education and they're going to show her bones to ask her if they are Haleigh's? Or have her differentiate between human and deer? Pointless...absolutely pointless.

This is the first time I've even known LE to take a suspect to the crime seen to show them evidence.
Damn I wish they would have done this with the other twatwaffle.

I think it was probably more of watching her emotions and then putting her in a car with her brother hoping they would talk about it. I have seen other cases where LE took people to the crime scene but it was always to point out where a body was...

[groovy135]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100421/ARTICLES/100429898/1109/sports?Title=Haleigh-case-update-No-human-remains-in-St-Johns


A
Haleigh case update: No human remains in St. Johns

Doug Finger/Staff photographer Buy photo
Law enforcement with several area agencies continue the search for Haleigh Cummings in the St. Johns River Thursday, April 15, 2010.

By Lise Fisher
Staff writer


Published: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 2:12 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 2:12 p.m.
( page of 2 )

Investigators recovered numerous items of a "biological nature" in the river search last week related to the homicide of Haleigh Cummings, but the items were not human, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office reported.


Related Links:Haleigh case now called a homicide
Another day of searching turns up no sign of Haleigh
Sheriff meets with Haleigh's family; search under way
Timeline of events in Haleigh Cummings case
Haleigh investigators question stepmom's brother
More Stories
Maj. Gary Bowling said many items considered biological were found during a search of the dark waters of the St. Johns River near Shell Harbour Road last week. However, he said, officials with the C.A. Pound Human Identification Lab at the University of Florida "identified everything that was biologic as not human."

"We found alligator toenails and teeth" and a variety of biological items, Bowling said.

What else was taken from the river for examination, which investigators have not elaborated on, could take weeks to analyze, according to the Sheriff's Office.

"We just took a bunch of things," Bowling said. "We took anything that could potentially be anything."

Public speculation on what may have been recovered in the waters about five miles south of Haleigh's Satsuma home has ranged from human remains to objects used to dispose of a body.

Following the river search, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy announced that the case of the missing girl now was considered a homicide.

Haleigh was 5 when she reportedly vanished from her home while her father Ronald Cummings was at work and she was under the care of his ex-girlfriend Misty Croslin. The child was last seen Feb. 9, 2009.

Since then Croslin, her brother Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., and Haleigh's father have been arrested and remain jailed on unrelated drug-trafficking charges.

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/


PCSO Debunks False Rumors: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin at Satsuma Dock Were Animal BonesPosted on April 21st, 2010 by Jan Barrett in Society and Culture, crimeRead 472 times.This just in from TJ Hart -Jan Barrett

Misty Croslin saw bones on her recent visit to a dock along the St. Johns River, but they were not human bones, according to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.

A tip last week led investigators to conduct an intense three-day search at the Shell Harbour boat ramp south of Satsuma in Putnam County.

Haleigh Cummings has been missing since February, 2009, and Misty Croslin is the one who said she put her to bed that night.

Croslin, now jailed on drug charges, was brought in shackles to the boat ramp.

Here is the Press Release:

MEDIA RELEASE

Date: April 21, 2010

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has received numerous inquiries regarding the recovery of the skeletal remains of missing 5 year-old Haleigh Cummings. A rumor has spread throughout our community that her body has been located. This rumor is false, and this information has been vastly misreported and sensationalized by the media.

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office did recover animal remains such as alligator claws and teeth, and a multiple animal bones. The agency had an anthropologist at the scene that identified all “biological” items that were recovered as being non-human. Additionally, Misty Croslin could have easily seen these items while she was at the dock while the dive operation was in progress.

In an effort to prevent this false information from impeding our investigation, Sheriff Hardy wants to quell these rumors so we can maintain our focus on the criminal investigation.

Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood

Putnam County Sheriff’s Office

TJ Hart

[Echo]

Groovy, regarding that article on the FBI.. I believe every bit of it. First off, I told a few in PM's that I felt Ron's hands with the police dept went a little bit too deep. There's only one explanation for someone to have as many charges as he's had against him, dropped.

Do you think maybe that he was a confidential informant for LE?

[groovy135]

http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Grammie Hollars: Insight Into Misty's World

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124367


Haleigh Cummings Update - Bones And Police Taxis

It was reported incorrectly on HLN last night that skeletal remains of Haleigh Cummings had been located. I can not blame Art Harris he was not the one to make the claim, rather it was Nancy Grace. Art however did little to rectify the situation, so they both sit with a good deal of egg on their faces.

I contacted the PCSO for clarification and Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood sent me back a rather nebulous reply. I apparently was not the only press organization that picked up on the story, and today the PCSO issued a press communique that is crystal clear:

Date: April 21, 2010

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has received numerous inquiries regarding the recovery of the skeletal remains of missing 5 year-old Haleigh Cummings. A rumor has spread throughout our community that her body has been located. This rumor is false, and this information has been vastly misreported and sensationalized by the media.

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office did recover animal remains such as alligator claws and teeth, and a multiple animal bones. The agency had an anthropologist at the scene that identified all “biological” items that were recovered as being non-human. Additionally, Misty Croslin could have easily seen these items while she was at the dock while the dive operation was in progress.

In an effort to prevent this false information from impeding our investigation, Sheriff Hardy wants to quell these rumors so we can maintain our focus on the criminal investigation.

Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood

Putnam County Sheriff’s Office

It is bad enough that the Croslin’s, Cummings, and Sheffield clans are throwing each other under the bus, it now seems that journalists are joining them. Boy it must be getting busy under that bus!It was also reported that Misty Croslin and her brother Tommy Croslin shared a ride, a 40 minute opportunity to say hi, and catch up on old times. This is rubbish. Grade A rubbish! My sources are saying that Tommy was taken to the site on different days. At no time did they share a ride.

What is happening on HLN is a re-enactment of Irving Wallace’s very fine 1982 novel The Almighty. We are having news manufactured. Ratings are everything! Why bother with the facts when fiction is available? Did the search team find a Blue Ice Chest that contained Haleigh Cummings bones? No, the ice chest belonged to the cops. It was what they used as part of the evidence collection process.

Of course this minor issue escaped the quality control folks, so Art Harris and Nancy Grace run with it. This is BOMBSHELL, no it is not. I know in my heart that Nancy Grace is well meaning, but, I think it is likely time that she takes a long hard look at her sources.

Simon Barrett

[groovy135]

Rumor had it Joe Underthebus was aSex Offender as a juvenile,,,guess not so according to GrandMaMA Flora Hollars for Dollars,,this was on SM,,

(no link sorry)


LEVI PAGE, "LEVI PAGE SHOW": Yes, I would like to ask: has Joe -- does Joe have any criminal record that he had when he was a juvenile that has been sealed? If so, what were those crimes? His attorney is not addressing that. Maybe you could shed some light on that.

HOLLARS: Stealing automobiles. He served time in Woodland Hills for auto theft. As a matter of fact, he turned 18 in Woodland Hills.

PAGE: Any sex crimes? Any sex crimes?

HOLLARS: No sex crimes.

[groovy135]

Granny Gumbo was on JVM again tonight,,,she shared about Lisa & Hank Croslin..



Of her daughter and husband "they was crackheads" and that they did not take good care of her granddaughters. "Yes, ma'am they are drug addicts, they live like gypsies."

she also said,


Flo: Thinks that RC is involved due to time discrepancy in RC's story. What did he do in the extra 10 mins that he had to spare. 50 mins to get to work minus the 40 mins that it takes = 10 mins per Flo.

I know that all 3 were in the mh because Joe was looking for the machine gun that RC had.

Lisa and Hank were crackheads, did not take time to take care of the kids. Jean Croslin, the other grandmother took care of the kids.

Flo says that MC and TC are addicts.

Flo believes the story that Misty told her. That they tied her up, dont know if they raped her or not.

Flo says that she asked Tommy follow up questions but TC did not respond, he started crying and talking about his children.


and


Flo says that Misty was jealous of RC & HaLeigh's relationship and that was Misty's motive for getting rid of Haleigh.

Misty mails letters to her mom to have her mom mail them to Ron.

Flo said that Misty is madly in love with Ron still.

Flo this is a twisted love story.

Flo says that the marriage was a stage marriage. They thought that they would not have to testify against each other.

[Rhoni]

http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Grammie Hollars: Insight Into Misty's World






Hey Groovy Groove call me.. I promise not to sound like Grammie gummy gums..

[groovy135]

Sheriff: Haleigh Cummings Rumors False
Investigators Say Bones Found In River Those Of Animals

POSTED: Wednesday, April 21, 2010
UPDATED: 5:06 pm EDT April 21, 2010



An Amber Alert was issued Feb. 10, 2009, for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings
MORE ONLINE:
Haleigh Cummings Disappearance Timeline
Tour Of Satsuma Home Where Haleigh Disappeared

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Wednesday that rumors that skeletal remains and the body of Haleigh Cummings have been found are false.

Sheriff Jeff Hardy made the announcement in a news release after Art Harris, an independent investigative reporter, claimed Tuesday that detectives showed Misty Cummings, Haleigh's former stepmother, bones they recovered from the crime scene along the St. Johns River.

"This information has been vastly misreported and sensationalized by the media," Hardy said in the release.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office said it did recover animal remains such as alligator claws and teeth and multiple animal bones in its search of the St. Johns River last week. Investigators said they had an anthropologist at the scene that identified all "biological" items that were recovered as being non-human.

"Misty Cummings could have easily seen these items while she was at the dock while the dive operation was in progress," Hardy said.

According to Harris' blog The Bald Truth, police believe the bones could be the remains of Haleigh Cummings, the 5-year-old who disappeared from her Putnam County home 14 months ago.

Investigators said when they got the tip that led to the river, they were encouraged it would lead to something significant because it's a place they had never searched before, it was in a remote area and it was a logical place to get rid of something.

Sources told Channel 4 the tip came from Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., Misty Cummings' brother. Investigators were looking for cinder blocks with a yellow rope attached, and two cinder blocks were recovered in the water but not any yellow rope, according to sources.

Harris claims Misty Cummings shared the news of the bones with her brother, Hank Croslin, last Friday night. The pair was on their way from the St. Johns County Jail where they are awaiting trial on drug trafficking charges.

According to artharris.com, once they reached the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department in Palatka, detectives put Misty and Hank Croslin in separate rooms for further interrogation, before allowing them to ride together back to jail in the next county. Harris said sources told him it was the siblings first extended visit since both were arrested on drug charges three months ago.

WKMG
A woman who appears to be Misty Cummings was seen on a river dock where investigators were searching for evidence in the Haleigh Cummings case.

Harris went on to say "other than saying she showed 'emotion,' it’s unclear how either reacted or what was said, but their ride, like collect calls from jail, was caught on audio tape."

Terry Shoemaker, Ronald Cummings' attorney, told Nancy Grace that police have advised his client, and mother Crystal Sheffield, to make funeral arrangements to bury their missing 5-year-old.

Ann Dugger with the Justice Coalition said that the family has made preliminary inquiries with funeral homes, but no arrangements are made for a funeral or a memorial service.

The Bald Truth reported Haleigh's family has turned over items containing Haleigh’s DNA for forensic experts to compare to DNA from bones found at the river.

During one visit to the river, Ronald Cummings told Art Harris, Joe Overstreet enjoyed tossing deer meat into the water and watching alligators go into a feeding frenzy.

“He said, all of a sudden, there were a hundred eyes that popped out of the water, and Joe said, ‘This would be a good place to get rid of a body.’”

http://www.news4jax.com/news/23217461/detail.html

[Saffron]

WHY? I mean for crying out loud? She's got a 5th grade education and they're going to show her bones to ask her if they are Haleigh's? Or have her differentiate between human and deer? Pointless...absolutely pointless.

This is the first time I've even known LE to take a suspect to the crime seen to show them evidence.
Damn I wish they would have done this with the other twatwaffle.

Probably to see if they could get her to break... if she assumed they were Haleigh's, she'd realize how much trouble she's really in and the real story might come out... at least that's my guess.

[MadmamainNC]

I think it was probably more of watching her emotions and then putting her in a car with her brother hoping they would talk about it. I have seen other cases where LE took people to the crime scene but it was always to point out where a body was...

I swear I wish they did this with that guzzling gutter slut.

[MadmamainNC]

Do you think maybe that he was a confidential informant for LE?

Nope. I believe he was crooked as they come. He has family working there.
When you live in a small town, you'd be surprised who gets off and who doesn't. Money and connections talk.

[myra manes]

Criminal Profiling Topic of the Day: Ronald Cummings is "Only Disappointed" the Bitch got his Child Stole

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/

[MadmamainNC]

Flo believes the story that Misty told her. That they tied her up, dont know if they raped her or not.

Flo says that she asked Tommy follow up questions but TC did not respond, he started crying and talking about his children.

Who is she talking about being tied up? This woman Rambles.
I watched NG from two nights ago -last night and about peed myself over her make-up job. At least her lipstick matched her blush.
OMG... Was like putting powdered sugar on a turd. IT WAS STILL A TURD!

[MadmamainNC]

OK so I was watching NG last nights episode tonight (I'm always behind a day so it was Tivo'd) Anyway, she is showing Misty down at the river and they're explaining how they showed her bones and then put her in the car with her brother to see if they'd speak to each other about it.
Well in this clip they show Misty at the jail laughing on the phone to whoever about "freaking out...seriously man...I was totally freaking". Well the text was to the right of her head on the screen but if you didn't have a pause button or rewind, it went by so fast you couldn't read exactly what her conversation was about. It was deliberately done that way.

I am SOOOOOOOOOOO sick of NG acting like Misty is the root of all evil and Ron is some flippin' saint for taking this family under his wings.

Wanna know what she was freaking out about on the phone? A murderer being in her cell block!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, but NG doesn't make it look like that -oh hell no!. She made it look like she was freaking and giggling about seeing the bones at the river.
I was truly disgusted at the way the edited that one!

Pig in lipstick Nance...pig in lipstick!

[biteme]

OK so I was watching NG last nights episode tonight (I'm always behind a day so it was Tivo'd) Anyway, she is showing Misty down at the river and they're explaining how they showed her bones and then put her in the car with her brother to see if they'd speak to each other about it.
Well in this clip they show Misty at the jail laughing on the phone to whoever about "freaking out...seriously man...I was totally freaking". Well the text was to the right of her head on the screen but if you didn't have a pause button or rewind, it went by so fast you couldn't read exactly what her conversation was about. It was deliberately done that way.

I am SOOOOOOOOOOO sick of NG acting like Misty is the root of all evil and Ron is some flippin' saint for taking this family under his wings.

Wanna know what she was freaking out about on the phone? A murderer being in her cell block!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, but NG doesn't make it look like that -oh hell no!. She made it look like she was freaking and giggling about seeing the bones at the river.
I was truly disgusted at the way the edited that one!

Pig in lipstick Nance...pig in lipstick!

Nancy Gross & last weeks news "We have breaking news"

[FrakMe]

I am SOOOOOOOOOOO sick of NG acting like Misty is the root of all evil and Ron is some flippin' saint for taking this family under his wings.

I hear ya Madma. I think Nancy keeps reinforcing the mantra that she doesn't believe Ron had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance/murder, because she has to walk the fine line, after the whole fiasco with Trenton Ducket's mother's suicide, and the resulting lawsuit. Ron smells like a rat to me.

[MadmamainNC]

Nancy Gross & last weeks news "We have breaking news"

BOMBSHELL TONIGHT - The twins are obsessed with helmets.

Last night I got to watch it in real time so I'm on the ball now. Ok is it me, or did we read reports where Ron's mom stated that Misty asked her to babysit? I know we read that before and that she felt it was Misty's responsibility etc.

So, Granny Flo mentions this last night and NG was all over her like a pig in shit (no pun). Not that I'm a Flo supporter (or would that be a Flobee?) but if I'm not mistaken, it was mentioned on NG by the Ron's mothers own mouth many months ago. This was her interview after she had died her hair dark and cut it.
Nancy dismissed this as BS. Like this was a new rumor. I tried searching for it last night online but couldn't find it.


GRACE: OK. So he`s out of the picture. Ms. Sykes, I know that by now, you are aware that Ms. Hollars, who is Misty Croslin and Tommy Croslin`s grandmother -- she`s the one, one of ones, that called police, that ended up mounting this search of the St. John`s River -- really believes that Ronald Cummings, your grandson, is partially at fault. What`s your response?

SYKES: I heard what she said on your show about Ronald being responsible because he left the children with her and she was all strung out. But I was there, and she was not strung out. I mean, she was walking and talking just -- I mean, I talked to her. Like I said, she helped me carry the laundry in. She had fixed supper for the children. They were eating.

HOLLARS: I have a question for you. Why didn`t Teresa take those kids home with her when Misty offered to pay for her to take her home?

SYKES: I was not aware that she did.

HOLLARS: She most certainly did.

GRACE: OK, hold on just a moment. Ms. Hollars, where are you getting that information? Mind you, this wasn't nicely said at all. Nancy's eyes rolled back in her sockets and did her normal NG drama-lama expressions of doubt.

HOLLARS: I got that information from every one of them in Florida. All my kids down there knew that.

GRACE: So that came from Misty Croslin?

HOLLARS: It came from Misty. It also came from her mama. And it also...

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, wait, stop. Who was there when she asked Ms. Neves to take the children?

HOLLARS: That I don`t know.

GRACE: Well, what other people may tell you that weren`t there really doesn`t account for anything. But Ms. Hollars, I want to go back over your assertion about what Misty told you, what Tommy Croslin told you from behind bars. Ms. Hollars, now I understand that you believe there`s a scenario in which little Haleigh was molested before she was murdered.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

[MC30]

humm..ronnys mommy used to work for pd. she knows how they are, and what they look for. i mean shit, she wore her old dispatch jacket when the cameras started to show up. ronny has cop friends..shit, it seems as though everybody in satsuma knows who the fuck he is and what he has his finger in. tn consistently defends misty. (i wouldn't, if it had been my grandchild, but again, thats just me) and ron never gets into trouble for the things he should have gotten in trouble for....
The fucking FBI should be in FL but they aren't? shit, they are in WA looking for Lindsey Baum, and she hasn't been gone for over a year. Haleigh has. but again, where Lindsey is missing from, their police force is 3 people....
why was tm told that the po po was using sonar? i don't believe they were. in fact, i really don't think they have looked for Haleigh very much at all. they have issued statements that reporters and bloggers need to back off. WHY? one would think that brainstorming might get them closer to finding her...but shrf Hardy don't want us talking about it...WHY? WHY? what do they not want people discussing? they are the ones that stated it is now a homicide, not a missing persons...

sorry, rambling to myself, and wondering
What the Fuck is Going on in Satsuma FL? what the fuck is going on with the PD in Satsuma FL? why don't they want people to talk? they are the ones that showed misty the animal bones...no cop in their right mind would show bones to someone and have them believe that they are remains...and although misty quit school pretty early, im sure she has watched tv. if they were remains, they wouldn't be sitting out on the boat doc. crimescene tape and all that jazz....

i just have a feeling that the reason Haleigh (or, whats left of her anyway) hasn't been found is a lot bigger then the 3 blind mice..
JMO

[MadmamainNC]

humm..ronnys mommy used to work for pd. she knows how they are, and what they look for. i mean shit, she wore her old dispatch jacket when the cameras started to show up. ronny has cop friends..shit, it seems as though everybody in satsuma knows who the fuck he is and what he has his finger in. tn consistently defends misty. (i wouldn't, if it had been my grandchild, but again, thats just me) and ron never gets into trouble for the things he should have gotten in trouble for...

...i just have a feeling that the reason Haleigh (or, whats left of her anyway) hasn't been found is a lot bigger then the 3 blind mice..

Thank you other crazy momma!! See, Rhoni, Special and I (and who ever else has jumped on the bandwagon) aren't the only crazy ones.

[sintax]

Do we know if Ron still has possession of the gun that Cuz Joe was looking for? I wonder if the gun is in the river......

[myra manes]

Do we know if Ron still has possession of the gun that Cuz Joe was looking for? I wonder if the gun is in the river......

Very good question!

[cubby]

Madmama, I remember that being said on NG. Misty wanted TN to keep the kids so she could go out that night and Grandmama said no, it's your responsibility. Don't remember who said but I believe it was TN herself who said it. I wouldn't wanna swear to it tho.

[MC30]

hey y'all...i came across this today...now its just rumor mixed with someones jmo...but..
...what cha think?

Have you guys seen this theory? It is here - http://www.bloggernews.net/124401 and on Peter Hyatt's site.

UGGGG..OK I’m back Kool Look. I agree this site isn’t over-moderated but when I saw that comment from Simon it gave me flashbacks of AH and I dispise him. Even though I don’t agree I liked reading JNet’s opionion. I still love you Simon.
While I was away I was looking for another blog to date and went to Peter (Seamus’s) WOW - he had a very interting post from an “anonymous” with a very well thought out theory that almost answers every question….here is the string:

Anonymous said…
In my theory-
This is a retaliation abduction and murder by drug thugs. All involved in the cover up, including Ron. Joe is not involved.
What was involved in the coverup? Lots of phonecalls. Tommy, Misty and Timmy and Timmy’s van moving all pot plants to the Mondex, disposing of weapons, drugs and stolen items is my guess. Chelsea and Lindsy to keep their mouths shut, Joe likely passed out at Timmy’s and kept in the dark. Teresa? Maybe. And Misty and Ron, play-acting innocence on the 911 call..although I do believe they really were freaking out about what they knew had happened.
“Operation Streetsweep” has been going on since Haleigh was taken. It is a tri-county operation with Putnam, Flagler and St. John’s. They have been sifting for their perps since day 1. Tommy finally pointed in the right direction.
They all face serious charges, including Ron, for the coverup, and also for serious crime previously, which Tommy fessed up to for a plea deal.
I believe Tommy pointed them to the river to find evidence of the crime they did to cause this retaliation. None of them know where Haleigh’s body is, including LE.

Sunday, 25 April, 2010

Seamus O Riley said…
Anonymous–

this is something that I never gave a thought to AFTER the police said, “Ron is not a suspect” I did no analysis, nor gave it much thought.

His 911 statement “how’d you let my daughter get stole, *?” disavows any stranger abduction but sounds more like a drug retaliation, which fits in why he would threaten to kill the person who had Haleigh.

I’ve not heard of Operation Streetsweep….are you local there?

Can you share more info?

Sunday, 25 April, 2010

Anonymous said…
I will give you the info I dug up..what is your email addy?

Sunday, 25 April, 2010

Anonymous said…
No, not a local..heavens no, and never would dream of a re-location anywhere near there
I dug around for the past 2 years of reported crimes and drug busts. A definite pattern emerged since Haleigh went missing. An interesting pattern and potential connections.

These drug addled idiots wouldn’t have the luck or the brains to proficiently pull off a cover-up. I think LE knew pretty quickly. The problem is, they weren’t talking, so all LE could do thus far is to give the drug underbelly a good shaking. A Sheriff called it “Operation Streetsweep” in a news article and I believe they have been looking for the right perps for the last year, with no help from these losers. I think Tommy took a plea and is helping point the direction now and LE is scrambling behind the scenes before the rats scurry. Flo will be lookin’ the fool when she finds out that the river search was only “related to the Haleigh case” and for what I believe was an evidence search for related crime Tommy told LE about to help connect their crime to the perps. No bones, no cinder blocks, no yellow rope. All rumor. Flo’s story? ALL BS made up from watching Nancy Grace and Art Harris.
LE led everyone to believe it..but put their foot down when reports of her bones were found started to swirl in the media.. only the thugs who took her would know that. By taking Tommy and Misty to the river, it further mislead the public and the killers. The killers would think Tommy and Misty were lying and taking LE on a goose chase. So, it bought LE time to collect the evidence there, and not have the killers worried and running..since Shell Harbor was not the place of their crime.
Bestest yet, think of Ronald in the family jail meeting pooping his pants because HE knew WHY they were at Shell Harbor, but the rest of the family didn’t. He knew Tommy had ratted them out. Ronald knew what was in Shell Harbor…and it wasn’t Haleigh.

Theories of course, but if I am wrong, I plan to write one hell of a crime fiction novel…kidding

Sunday, 25 April, 2010

Anonymous said…
Another thing. By saying “Ron is not a suspect” to me means this:
1. Not a suspect for the murder (they knew it was retaliation)
2. Being careful what they say because Ron had a solid alibi and really was at work.
3. Misty has always just been “the key”.

The hushing of his fellow employees should reveal interesting commentary at some point. Who overheard some kind of crisis unfolding at home and what was his demeanor? Panic? How many different people did he call? Did he stay at work for a solid alibi, knowing it was too late to do anything to save her? Was he directing the cover-up with the others over the phone and helped when he got home?

[sintax]

I think it is a very plausible theory. It does answer a lot of questions. Do we have to wait for a court date to find out if Tommy did take a plea deal? When are these clowns supposed to be going to court?

[MadmamainNC]

And Misty thinks she's just going to do a stint in Boot Camp? :stupido3: If I recall she has 8 counts of trafficking.



:deal:
Cummings cousin gets 15-year sentence
Article Here (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100428/ARTICLES/4281005/1002?tc=ar)

PALATKA - Hope Sykes - a 19-year-old cousin of Ronald Cummings, the father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings - was sentenced to 15 years in prison Tuesday after earlier pleading no contest to one count of trafficking prescription narcotics.

The sentence by Circuit Judge Terry LaRue is the minimum mandatory sentence for the crime.

Sykes :withstupid:, Cummings and Misty Croslin were all arrested on trafficking charges in January following an undercover investigation. Croslin, who was married for a short time to Cummings before they divorced in October 2009, was baby-sitting Haleigh when she disappeared in February 2009.

Putnam County Sheriff's Lt. Johnny Greenwood said Tuesday the investigation of Haleigh's disappearance is ongoing with no new breaks.

Putnam County officials recently said the case of the 5-year-old girl's disappearance in February 2009 is now considered a homicide, though no body or trace of the girl has been found.

At the hearing Tuesday morning, Sykes had sought to be sentenced to drug therapy as a youthful offender. She told the judge she wanted to receive a GED diploma, go to college and become a physical therapist.

"I let drugs control my life," Sykes said. "I let my family down. I know I messed up. I want help. I don't want to live this life no more."

Friends and relatives asked for leniency, saying Sykes had learned her lesson. They pledged to support Sykes in her effort to continue her education and stay out of trouble.

Assistant State Attorney Jacquelyn Roys pointed out that Sykes was arrested Jan. 3 on an unrelated drug possession charge, yet continued to be involved with drug activity after being released on that charge, leading to her second arrest.
More Here (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100428/ARTICLES/4281005/1002?p=2&tc=pg)

[MadmamainNC]

hey y'all...i came across this today...now its just rumor mixed with someones jmo...but..
...what cha think?

Sounds likely to me. I always felt he was involved somehow and I never for one minute believed any of the scenarios painted. The time-line with Ron's grandmother coming to the house to drop off clothes and Ron not being there (but Haleigh is), would make him innocent of any physical harm bestowed on Haleigh by Ron.

I kept thinking back to his comments while in the undercover car about someone taking Haleigh. Why bring it up? To me, it means admittance.

I also feel her not talking on the jail phone but wanting to talk under protection by LP, was a sign it goes deeper than just Ronald.

And there was my comment about bringing Misty to the river. Reasons given weren't likely.
If that was the case, they would have used it on others all the time.
I don't think they wanted her to crack as much as it was for show.

We know the kind of people Ronald dealt with. Pretty bad scene.

And lastly, the rat that was sent from Ronald to Tommy.

I'd rep you for that, other crazy momma but I have to spread more lovins'

One other thing, her sister in-law mentioned that drugs were always laying around the house. To me that means the premises weren't clean, pretty messy people. Now while it wasn't spic and span, the home was fairly presentable when LE arrived? Doesn't that mean a clean-up?
And Jr seeing the man in black would be indicative of someone purposefully disguising themselves.

[sintax]

I think it is a very plausible theory. It does answer a lot of questions. Do we have to wait for a court date to find out if Tommy did take a plea deal? When are these clowns supposed to be going to court?

I found the answer to one of my questions......Ron goes to court in May and Misty is scheduled for June. This was mentioned last night on NG.

From the show transcripts:

BELCHER: You`re lucky. You got April. A lot of other people got June. So you got April, Ronald got May, and Misty`s got June.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/27/ng.01.html

[sintax]

Groovy..........

Where are you?

[myra manes]

Groovy..........

Where are you?

I was just wondering the same thing this afternoon .. :dong:

[Saffron]

Groovy dear we're getting worried about you. :(

[Echo]

I am starting to worry. Where is she? Has anyone spoken to her ?

[Rockin Ma]

Awwwww, you guys... so caring! Groovy's 'ight. I'm sure she'll turn up soon. I talked to her yesterday.

I wubs you guys.

[Echo]

Awwwww, you guys... so caring! Groovy's 'ight. I'm sure she'll turn up soon. I talked to her yesterday.

I wubs you guys.

Oh Good!!! Thanks for the heads up Rockin'.

[MC30]

i saw groovy today elsewhere. she's still hangin' out in the interwebs...

[sintax]

Well, it's been a few days now.........do you think Misty has figured out what 8 counts times 15 years for each count means? I'm pretty sure that does not add up to boot camp for her!

[Saffron]

The problem is Misty is/was still under 18 at the time, wasn't she? The cousin wasn't... I don't know why she'd think she had a shot at the whole youthful offender thing but I think Misty still does. I think she's peeing her pants terrified that the judge might not see her as a youthful offender though.

[thebooblady]

In FL a youthful offender is between the ages of 18-21. More info: http://floridasentencing.blogspot.com/2008/09/alternative-sentencing-youthful.html

[sintax]

In FL a youthful offender is between the ages of 18-21. More info: http://floridasentencing.blogspot.com/2008/09/alternative-sentencing-youthful.html

Thanks for the good information! I wonder how much the LE will use this fact as a carrot dangling in front of Misty to get Haleigh info from her....

[thefatmom]

I'm watching ng right now. Apparently Nancy says misty knew where the body was dumped months ago. Idk what she is talking about. I'm only half paying attention.

[sintax]

Plus, now Tommy says he was lying when he said he was at the trailer at 10 pm that night. He now says that he just said that to get out of jail last October.

These people are all lying liars!!!

Poor little Haleigh never stood a chance..........

[myra manes]

Plus, now Tommy says he was lying when he said he was at the trailer at 10 pm that night. He now says that he just said that to get out of jail last October.

These people are all lying liars!!!

Poor little Haleigh never stood a chance..........

Yep, just like Caylee never stood a chance in the Anthony family household ..
Sad .. 8(

[myra manes]

Linsy Croslin is seeking a divorce against Tommy ( Hank Jr ) ..
From WS ..

This is a civil docket for Lindsey. She has filed for a divorce

UCN: 542010DR000740FDXXXX
File Date: 2010-04-28 Disposition Date:
File Type: DISSOLUTION - DR02
Judge: A W NICHOLS III

Plaintiffs
CROSLIN LINDSY KATE Defendants
CROSLIN HANK
Date Docket Description
2010-04-28 001.CIVIL COVER SHEET
2010-04-28 002.PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE
2010-04-30 003.SUMMONS ISSUED TO: HANK CROSLIN
2010-04-30 004.FILING FEE RECEIPT

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

If the link doesn't take you to this docket, go to civil dockets & type in Croslin%

[groovy135]

Hi EVERYBODY:hello:


Been taking care of some personal business,,,things are better a little better,,♥ Thanks you all for your concern , LUVS YA! ♥


NANCY GRACE

Tommy Croslin Recants

Aired April 30, 2010 - 20:00:00 EThttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/30/ng.01.html

[groovy135]

# Art Harris Says:
May 1st, 2010 at 12:46 am

kc–sources say he’s admitted going over there, much later. art

http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/30/exclusive-tommy-croslin-says-he-lied-to-cops/#comment-46240

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/


The Fact And Fiction Of The Haleigh Cummings Case?

Posted on May 1st, 2010 by Simon Barrett in

Earlier this week I floated a document around to some people I know, some for a variety of professional reasons would prefer that I not use their names. I will honor those requests. We held a conference call and this was the the end result. This likely is very, very close to what happened. If nothing else it is a thought provoking look at the case – simon.

The Bus Stop – There are two conflicting versions. While the question of who picked up Haleigh from the School bus is a very minor point, and likely has no bearing on what happened later that day, it is interesting to explore as it reveals a great deal about the nature of the people involved. Version one says that it was Misty driving a van that picked Haleigh up. The school bus driver and another parent have both said this. Version two says that Ronald picked her up. His story has her sitting on his lap and operating the turn signals on the drive home.

It was pointed out that the Ron version contains too much information. I have a theory about lies, they have to be detailed oriented and often elaborate in nature. Rons story fits that requirement. The interesting point though is that the PCSO seem to have bought into the Ron story.

“Ron could be fabricating this in order to persuade OR Ron could be giving extra details because he ALREADY thinks he is not being believed.”

The question in my mind is why on something as innocuous as who picked up Haleigh is there this discrepancy? No one has anything to gain from being anything but truthful about this meaningless aspect. I start to think, lie about small stuff, they are going to lie about bigger things.

Ronald and Misty are not seeing eye to eye. At first I assumed that the argument was over her three day sex and drugs binge. However it now seems that route is incorrect. Several people that have spoken to Ronald have said that he appeared to show no emotion whatsoever about the subject. This is a strange behaviour. This part of Florida is apparently quite racially divided. I find it odd that Ronald would have no problems with Misty having sex with White Boy Greg.

Back to the argument. Misty is claiming that she does not want to look after Haleigh and Jr. that evening because she has a babysitting job lined up. But did she? A far more plausible explanation is that she wanted to attend the ‘party’ that we have all heard so much about.

“I struggle with Misty having a babysitting job lined up. It doesn’t fit her lazy lifestyle. It is far easier to get quick money for drugs by a sex act than babysitting for hours. Narcotic impact is 3-4 hours and a new dosage is needed….cranky, irritable…not a babysitting situation. Did Ron really beg and even offer money to Teresa to babysit only to be refused?”

Tempers are still frayed when Ron leaves for work. Misty feed the kids, and is likely high on something. It is a cold evening, yet when Annette Sykes drops by the two children are eating their meal outside. Why?

“Why was Annette Sykes doing the laundry for the kids?? We know that she told us that the clothing was dirty….”

Rons job is in a remote part of the plant and as a crane operator really has no one looking over his shoulder. He is still concerned about the situation at the trailer and makes several calls (12 or more) to keep an eye on Misty’s whereabouts.

Misty does not like being on this short leash and turns off her phone.

It is the kids bed time and Misty gets Jr. settled for the night. He puts up no resistance and is asleep in no time flat.

Haleigh is a different case. Although Misty has only been playing the role of mom for a few months the little girl has attached herself to her. Haleigh has three days of ‘news’ and has no intentions of going to sleep. Misty decides that a chemical babysitter is needed and gives Haleigh something. It could have been an oxy, or something else. Everyone seems to be in broad agreement that this was not the first time that she had used this method of sleep induction.

I am going to go off on a tangent here. None of this is public record, and likely will never be made public. However one credible source is claiming to have knowledge of some documents from Child Protective Services (DCF) that reveal a rather ugly situation. The kids have been drug tested in the past. Also Ron was admonished for some kind of physical abuse of them.

“Ron did reveal on TV that he could spank her on the bottom “just like DCF said”. This means he likely signed a Safety Plan agreeing NOT to hit in the face, arms, etc, under the threat of having them removed from him.

I feel for the caseworkers. They had two parents and neither was clean and sober, and a kid would likely SCREAMED for dad. She was attached, but it was a nervous and unhealthy attachement. “

There also appears to be a sexual angle, though not sex abuse in the normal sense. Rather, Haleigh was often in the same room as Ron and Misty while they were having sex. Apparently Haleigh exhibited some strange behavior at school, likely emulating what she had seen at home that got school officials very concerned. None of this can be confirmed, and to go forward with it would be journalistic suicide. But it does provide yet more background on the type of people involved.

Around 9pm - 10pm (timeline is sketchy) Misty starts to come down from her high and decided to get some sleep.

Ron meanwhile is beyond the state of being furious, he wants to know what is going on! He calls Tommy Croslin and tells him to go over to the trailer and find out what the story is. Tommy gets there and sees that the lights are off, he bangs on the door.

In my mind this is where the big lies start. Before we get into them though, lets do a little analysis without any data. Early on in the investigation PCSO told us that they had pulled phone records and cell tower pings for Misty and Ron on that night. I would also assume that the pulled the records for out going landline calls from PDL. So they must have known about the phone call. Yet, it was only months later that Tommy came up with story. What story did he tell them originally?

One ‘reporter’ is claiming the Tommy’s story is false, he created it merely to buy his freedom from a gun related charge. This makes little sense, as the same reporter is also claiming that it was Tommy that gave PCSO the lead as to where the body was dumped! I think I will stick to my original version of where the tip came from, and it was not Tommy.

Back to the plot. Tommy knocks on the door, wakes Misty up. Misty is not pleased to see him. Tommy tells her that Ron is pissed to the max. Misty says, we are all sleeping, if you don’t believe me take a look for yourself.

Tommy inadvertently wakes Jr. possibly Jr. heard the know on the door and was just drifting back to sleep, and that is where the ‘man in black’ reference comes from. A couple of sources are refuting the ‘man in black’, and claiming ‘woman in black’. There is a scenario for that, but I’ll play that later.

Tommy checks Haleigh, and the proverbial shit hits the fan’, she is dead.

Once again we need to analyze data we do not have. Did they call Ron? If Misty called him using her phone there would be a record of that call, it would also damage her alibi of being asleep. The PCSO are not dumb, they would have been onto that from the get go. So, most probably (if it happened) the call originated from Tommy.

Did Tommy tell him Haleigh was dead? Or was Tommy telling him everything was OK, or some other story?

I know that a couple of you really fancy Nay Nay Prevat as having some form of involvement. And there are good reasons. The car, the keys, and the blue antifreeze. While Nay Nay might not have been best friends with Misty, they had just shared a three day binge. Did Misty (using Tommy’s phone) call her? Was it Nay Nay that helped dispose of the body?

I for one think that Nay Nay likely knows more than she is saying, but I am not sure I buy into her as an accessory after the fact. The car, the keys, and the antifreeze are interesting and thought provoking, however that scenario would play out only if Tommy and Misty hid the body and it was moved at a later date.

There was no blood to find, and I doubt that a body that has been dead for an hour would leave any evidence that forensics could find.

In my mind the more likely scenario is that Tommy and Misty wrap Haleigh in a blanket, use the yellow rope and a couple of cinder block anchors. Tommy does the disposal using the van.

Ron’s shift ends. His actions are not rational if he is or is not involved. Either way, they not one iota of sense. He drives to a convenience store and purchases one beer, some cigarettes, and some nuts. If he was not involved, he would still be steaming at Misty for turning her phone off. He would have driven straight home to find out what was going on.

If he knew what was going on, he would have done the same thing! They needed a plan.

There is a third choice, maybe he stopped for a reason, there were security cameras, was he building an alibi.

I try and put myself in his shoes, if I had knowledge that my daughter was dead, and we were going to have to call 911 to report her missing, it is going to be a very long night. I think I’d be tempted to buy more than one beer!

A question that I have never heard an answer to, but I am not sure I have ever asked it. What was Ron’s normal day? People tend to fall into daily patterns. I smoke, and most days I take a walk to my local gas station to buy cigarettes, if I turn up at 11am Chris the owner says hi Simon. If I arrive at 8am I get ‘wow you are early’, and at 2pm, I get ‘you are late’.

I have a pattern, did Ron? Was the stop at the gas station routine? Did he stop regularly to pick up a beer and smokes? Anyway its just some food for thought.

Ron gets home, and the action starts!

A 911 call is made. The call does not seem to stand up to scrutiny. It can be argued that these people are irrational at best, but, I see several issues. The biggest of which is who placed the call. Why did Misty call? Ronald has just got home and discovered that his daughter is missing, why does he get Misty to make the call? Ronald has been living on his cell phone all evening, yet is heard on the call to say ‘where is my god damn phone’.

Much has been said about this call. I tried a completely unscientific test on my wife Jan. It was a blind taste test! She knew nothing about what I was up to. I gave her the scenario of, you wake up at 3am, you need to use the bathroom, you notice that the back door is wide open, and your young child is missing. What would you do? Her response was to call 911. What would you say to them I asked. “I need help now, Joey is missing”.

What we get instead is Misty explaining that she was asleep, the door was open, and finally the fact that a little girl is missing.

I have to make some assumptions, but they are reasonable ones. Ronald was present during the entire 911 call. If he arrived home in the middle of it why was he not screaming blue murder? He is remarkably controlled. Sure he makes the remark about ‘killing whoever did this’ and blusters a bit, but it all seems a little contrived. Why does he grumble “I have better people to talk to, where is my cell phone”? Considering the fact that he had used it many times that night. It would seem reasonable to assume that he knew exactly where it was.

If Misty was awake and cognizant of the fact that Haleigh was missing why didn’t she call 911? Why wait for Ronald to get home? If she was sleeping when Ronald got home why didn’t Ronald call 911? If by some amazing coincidence Ronald gets home at the same time that Misty wakes up why is the 911 call so controlled? I don’t hear anyone shouting to try and find her. “Haleigh, are you out there”.

Simon Barrett

[groovy135]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2953840/5yearold_haleigh_cummings_father_ronald.html?cat=1 7

5-Year-Old Haleigh Cummings Father Ronald Cummings Knows Something He's Not Telling

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124451


Haleigh Cummings – More Jail Vid – Tommy Croslin

Posted on May 2nd, 2010
by Simon Barrett in crime

I do not know the date that this tape was made, but it was prior to the latest search. It is between Tommy Croslin, His wife Lindsey Croslin, and his father Hank Croslin.

As the video is huge (and boring) I have removed it, the remaining audio stream is a more manageable 20 meg better suited to the online world.

While there is nothing earth shattering in it, there are some interesting examples of the strange dynamics that operate in the Croslin family.

Tommy offers the sage advice that Misty should stop making stories up! He also expounds the interesting theory that she is holding back something on Ronald Cummings. This is the first time I have heard this interesting 180 degree switch on who is holding back on who.

Another snippet of interest is a brief exchange between Tommy and Hank on the subject of talking to lawyers. Hank volunteers the information that he had recently been speaking to Steve Brown, who Hank claims is ‘rooting for you’. Hmm I’ll have to really think about that one, that does not gel with my information.



Anyway, make of this tape what you will. http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/012tc.mp3

This short tape between Tommy and Lindsey is another interesting conversation. Tommy waxes lyrical on brother Timmy and why he will not return to Florida. Is Lindsey fishing for Haleigh information and why doesn’t Tommy want to talk about it?

Ah, the light bulb goes on! I have seen enough of these Jail Tapes to know the format of the DVD’s. This particular one did not fit the norm, it was way too small. I have just verified that this the true size on the physical DVD and not a problem in us moving it around in the net. Lindsey is hammering Tommy on the subject of Haleigh. My guess is that Tommy starts to talk about Haleigh and the PSCO have redacted the rest of the conversation. We know that this tape was made prior to the search. One wonders what he said……

Simon Barrett

[groovy135]

Hummm looks like Ronald MrDrugdealer's Stripper girlfriend,,errr I mean cousin or both,Hope,,yuck I know but these two have one weird relationship,,anyway looks like she's asking for a new hearing,,,

From SM,


UCN: 542010CF000143XXAXMX
File Date: 2010-01-21 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: BEECHING, MARCELLA ANN

Defendant
SYKES, HOPE A
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2010-01-21 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. T CAMPBELL (1/13/10)

2010-01-21 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A

2010-01-21 1 TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE MORE THAN 14 GRAMS LESS

2010-01-21 1 THAN 28 GRAMS

2010-01-21 2 WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $150.000.00

2010-01-22 3 ARREST REPORT: TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE (1/20/10)

2010-01-22 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG

2010-01-22 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING

2010-01-22 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND

2010-01-22 4 $150,000.00 SECURED BOND SET

2010-01-22 5 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS

2010-01-22 6 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2010-01-22 7 MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE OF

2010-01-22 7 BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANT'S

2010-01-22 7 RELEASE ON BAIL ("NEBBIA HEARING")

2010-01-22 8 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE

2010-01-22 8 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL ("NEBBIA HEARING")

2010-01-22 8 PRIOR TO DEFENDANT'S RELEASE ON BAIL

2010-01-22 9 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED

2010-02-03 10 INFORMATION - TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE (14G-28G)

2010-02-03 11 MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIVISION 52

2010-02-03 12 ORDER OF TRANSFER TO DIVISION 52

2010-02-03 13 MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE FOR TRIAL

2010-02-08 14 MOTION TO WITHDRAW AND APPOINT REGIONAL CONFLICT

2010-02-08 14 COUNSEL

2010-02-09 15 ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE

2010-02-10 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010) IN JAIL

2010-02-18 17 ARR MIN:DEFT PRES,ADJ INS P D APPT (MARCELLA BEECHING)

2010-02-18 17 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 03/31/2010

2010-02-18 17 CONFLICT COUNSEL APPOINTED MARCELLA BEECHING

2010-02-18 18 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS

2010-02-18 19 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2010-02-18 20 ORDER SETTING CASE FOR PRETRIAL 03/31/2010

2010-02-18 21 APPOINTING REGIONAL CONFLCIT COUNSEL

2010-02-19 21 ORDER ALLOWING PUBLIC DEFENDER TO WITHDRAW AND

2010-02-22 22 MOTION TO WITHDRAW

2010-03-01 23 STATE'S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT

2010-03-01 24 WITNESS LIST

2010-03-01 25 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE

2010-03-01 26 ORDER ALLOWING THE OFFICE OF CRIMINAL CONFLICT AND

2010-03-01 26 CIVIL REGIONAL COUNSEL WITHDRAW

2010-03-01 27 CERTIFICATION OF CONFLICT BY OFFICE OF REGIONAL

2010-03-01 27 CRIMINAL AND CIVIL CONFLICT, 5TH DISTRICT

2010-03-02 28 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE, WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT

2010-03-02 28 ENTRY OF PLEA, AND REQUEST FOR JURY TRIL

2010-03-02 29 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE BY: MARCELLA BEECHING

2010-03-02 30 RECIPROCAL WITNESS LIST

2010-03-02 31 DISCOVERY DEMAND

2010-03-03 32 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)

2010-03-11 33 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST

2010-03-31 34 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MARCELLA BEECHING

2010-03-31 34 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO THE OFFENSE OF

2010-03-31 34 TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE 14-28 GRAMS

2010-03-31 34 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30 YRS DOC &/OR $15,000 FINE

2010-03-31 34 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING SET 04/27/2010

2010-04-07 35 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (04-27-2010) IN JAIL

2010-04-07 36 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (04-27-2010)

2010-04-19 37 DEFENSE WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:

2010-04-19 37 RENEA WHITMORE

2010-04-21 38 DEFENSE WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:

2010-04-21 38 RONALD CUMMINGS

2010-04-27 39 SCORESHEET FILED

2010-04-27 40 SENTENCING MINUTES:DEFT PRES, ATT BY MARCELLA BEECHING

2010-04-27 40 ADJUDGED GUILTY OF TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE

2010-04-27 40 14-28 GRAMS

2010-04-27 40 15 YEARS DOC WITH 97 DAYS CREDIT - MINIMUM MANDATORY

2010-04-27 40 $395 COURT COSTS

2010-04-27 40 $50 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPLICATION FEE

2010-04-27 40 $100 PUBLIC DEFENDER ATTORNEY FEE

2010-04-27 40 $100 COST OF PROSECUTION

2010-04-27 40 $15 TO THE ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE TRUST FUND

2010-04-27 40 ALL COSTS ENTERED AS A CIVIL LIEN

2010-04-27 40 $250,000 FINE (MINIMUM MANDATORY)

2010-04-27 41 SENTENCING WITNESS TESTIFIED

2010-04-27 42 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT

2010-04-29 43 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE

2010-04-29 44 CHARGES, COSTS, AND FEES ASSOCIATED WITH SENTENCE

2010-04-29 44 RECORDED INST

2010-04-30 45 COMMITMENT ISSUED

2010-04-30 46 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE AS TO JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE

2010-04-30 47 MOTION FOR REHEARING

[Rhoni]

http://www.bloggernews.net/

Thank you Groovy, interesting thoughts here. The store thing has me thinking a lot...If ronald was really pissed at misty for not answering the phone I have to agree that he would not stop at a store.I need to go back and read more.How far was the store from home? I think the alibi though is a good one, make it look like you are coming home from work..

I still say ron is involved somehow....As far as misty not wanting to watch the kids cause she had a babysitting job, that makes NO sense at all. Why couldn't you take children to a job watching other children??

[MC30]

what convenience store sells beer after 12:00 am?

[Rhoni]

what convenience store sells beer after 12:00 am?

Ours does..It sells beer the same as a bar 2 am ...same as when I lived in AZ 1 am ... Honestly in just about every state I lived in the convenience stores sell beer as long as the bar does... I am pretty sure they follow the liquor laws of the state same as a bar or Liquor store..

[MC30]

cool. where i live up until about 6 months ago, you could only buy beer at beer stores. and they close at 11:00pm m-t then till 12:00am f-s..closed sun. so if the convenince store sell's beer till 2:00am...wth was he doing from 2:00am till the 911 call?

[groovy135]

Ma & Pa Croslosers receive their punishment,,

UCN: 542009CF002296XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-11-24 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: MACQUEEN, WILLIAM A

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T SR
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2009-11-24 1 COMPLAINT FILED: FDLE
2009-11-24 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-11-24 1 DOCTOR SHOPPING(WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM A
2009-11-24 1 PRACTITIONER (F3)
2009-11-24 2 FELONY WARRANT ISSUED - BOND SET AT $2504.00
2009-11-25 3 ARREST REPORT - 11/24/2009
2009-11-25 3 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-04876
2009-11-25 3 BOND SET AT $7504.00
2009-11-25 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-11-25 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
2009-11-25 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-11-25 4 $7504.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-11-25 5 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2009-11-25 6 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2009-11-25 7 FELONY WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-11-30 8 $7500.00 A-1-24 HOUR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS-#2236011
2009-11-30 8 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FL (11/25/2009)
2010-01-21 9 INFORMATION
2010-01-21 9 DOCTOR SHOPPING (WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM
2010-01-21 9 PRACTITIONER)
2010-01-26 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010)
2010-01-26 11 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02-18-2010)
2010-02-18 12 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,
2010-02-18 12 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,
2010-02-18 12 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 03/31/2010.
2010-02-18 13 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2010-02-18 14 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2010-02-18 15 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 03/31/2010
2010-02-23 16 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03-31-2010)
2010-03-31 17 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY BILL MACQUEEN,
2010-03-31 17 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2010-03-31 17 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
2010-04-06 18 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (05/13/2010)
2010-04-27 DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE CNT: 1
2010-04-27 VERDICT OF NO TRIAL CNT: 1
2010-04-27 DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/ATTY FOR NO TRIAL TRIAL CNT: 1
2010-04-27 19 SCORESHEET FILED
2010-04-27 20 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY BILL MACQUEEN,
2010-04-27 20 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLED NOLO AS CHARGED TO
2010-04-27 20 DOCTOR SHOPPING (WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM
2010-04-27 20 PRACTITIONER)
2010-04-27 20 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE
2010-04-27 20 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING -
2010-04-27 20 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD
2010-04-27 20 18 MONTHS PROBATION
2010-04-27 20 $395 COURT COSTS
2010-04-27 20 $50 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPLICATION FEE
2010-04-27 20 $1.00 TO FIRST STEP, INC
2010-04-27 20 $20 TO THE CRIME STOPPERS TRUST FUND
2010-04-27 20 $100 PUBLIC DEFENDER ATTORNEY FEE
2010-04-27 20 $100 COST OF PROSECUTION
2010-04-27 20 COST OF SUPERVISION SET AT $10 PER MONTH
2010-04-27 20 TO UNDERGO AND PAY FOR DRUG TESTING
2010-04-27 20 SUBSTANCE ABUSE EVALUATION
2010-04-27 21 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT
2010-04-27 22 ORDER OF PROBATION

UCN: 542009CF002529XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-12-22 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: BOOKHAMMER, WILLIAM

Defendant
CROSLIN, LISA CARMEN
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2009-12-22 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PATTY BRIMM 12-19-09
2009-12-22 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-12-22 1 FELONY THEFT
2010-01-27 2 INFORMATION (GRAND THEFT)
2010-02-09 3 CAPIAS REQUEST FORM - BOND $504.00
2010-02-18 4 CAPIAS ISSUED - BOND SET AT $504.00
2010-02-19 5 ARREST REPORT - GRAND THEFT
2010-02-19 5 ARREST DATE:02/18/2010
2010-02-19 5 BOOKING NUMBER:10-741
2010-02-19 6 DEFENDANT'S NOTIFICATION OF BOND CONDITIONS
2010-02-19 7 CAPIAS RETURNED EXECUTED
2010-02-19 8 $504.00 A-1-24 HOUR CITY BEST BAIL BOND-#2252856
2010-02-19 8 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FL (02/18/2010)
2010-03-04 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-18-2010)
2010-03-05 10 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03-18-2010)
2010-03-18 11 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,
2010-03-18 11 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,
2010-03-18 11 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 05/13/2010.
2010-03-18 12 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2010-03-18 13 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2010-03-18 14 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 05/13/2010
2010-03-22 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT RETURNED
2010-03-23 16 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (05-13-2010)
2010-04-27 DEFENDANT ENTERED PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE CNT: 1
2010-04-27 VERDICT OF NO TRIAL CNT: 1
2010-04-27 DEFENDANT APPEARED PRES W/ATTY FOR NO TRIAL TRIAL CNT: 1
2010-04-27 17 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY BILL BOOKHAMMER
2010-04-27 17 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLED NOLO TO THE LESSER OFFENSE OF
2010-04-27 17 PETIT THEFT
2010-04-27 17 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 1 YR PCJ &/OR $1000 FINE
2010-04-27 17 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING -
2010-04-27 17 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY
2010-04-27 17 12 MONTHS PROBATION
2010-04-27 17 CONSECUTIVE WITH 09-1736 CF
2010-04-27 17 $283 FINE AND COST
2010-04-27 17 $50 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPLICATION FEE
2010-04-27 17 $100 PUBLIC DEFENDER ATTORNEY FEE
2010-04-27 17 $50 COST OF PROSECUTION
2010-04-27 17 TO UNDERGO AND PAY FOR DRUG TESTING
2010-04-27 17 COST OF SUPERVISION SET AT $10 PER MONTH
2010-04-27 17 SUBSTANCE ABUSE EVALUATION
2010-04-27 17 COURT HAS NO OBJECTION TO DEFT MOVING OUT OF STATE
2010-04-27 17 $50 LAW ENFORCEMENT
2010-04-27 17 MAY EARLY TERMINATE
2010-04-27 17 COURT HAS NO OBJECTION TO DEFT LEAVING THE
2010-04-27 17 COUNTY TO GO TO ANY COUNTY THAT TOUCHES PUTNAM
2010-04-27 17 COUNTY IN SEARCH OF WORK
2010-04-27 17 APPLIED TO CURRENT PROBATION CASE 09-1736 CF ALSO
2010-04-27 18 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT
2010-04-27 19 ORDER OF PROBATION

[groovy135]

http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/09/exclusive-did-tommy-croslin-pass-polygraph/#comment-46044


Art Harris Says:
April 28th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

Pat–

Leonard Padilla was generous enough to help Lindsay and the kids spend Easter with Chelsea and her kids in Mass. She was afraid I’d write about it as they were leaving and asked me not to, so the press wouldn’t find out and ambush her and the kids at the airport.

I was happy to oblige and didn’t write about the trip in advance. Lindsay needed a break from the madness and pressure, and sadly came home to discover her husband had been lying to her about what he knew about Haleigh. When I learned about the poly, that he had flunked, I didn’t have the heart to tell her, and suggested she call Tommy’s lawyer and investigator Steve Brown to learn the details.

I’d just done a long, emotional interview with her learning about their high school romance and how much she loved him and planned to stand by her man, only to become, in a way, another victim, not of a philandering biker husband like Jesse, but a husband we HEARD lying to her on jailhouse calls, which makes her, sort of, an aggrieved and rightfully angry wife, a sort of Satsuma Sandra Bulloch. Jesse lied about cheating, Tommy, allegedly, about a child like his own. Thoughts and prayers to Lindsay and her kids, and other innocent victims of the outrage.

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124463


Haleigh Cummings – More Tommy Stuff From Jail

Posted on May 3rd, 2010
by Simon Barrett in crime




On the subject of toilets:

We only get two flushes an hour.

I have to admit that this is one of the most disturbing video images I have seen.tclc.jpg

It is hard to even comment on this case. The view of the child in the background is one of the most disturbing images I have seen.

We are rendering Vids as fast as we can. Here are the links, more coming as they render.

“F’ing Pills are f’ing bullshit” - Tommy at his best!

Tape 1: http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may3022.mp3

Tape 2: http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may3012.mp3

Do these tapes help find Haleigh Cummings? NO. But they do show an interesting side of the Croslin family.

Simon Barrett

[groovy135]

Haleigh Cummings – Tommy Croslin No More Drugs

Posted on May 3rd, 2010
by Simon Barrett in crime
.

In this jail vid we once again are introduced to Tommy Croslin and his penchant for drugs. He tells us that he is done with pills, but may need the occasional hit on pot.

It seems to me that Tommy Croslin is behind bars for a very good reason.

I will let the reader and listener make the choice.

In some ways this is the most incriminating audio yet.

Listen in and you will understand.

Tape http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may3031.mp3

Simon Barrett

http://www.bloggernews.net/124465

[groovy135]

Tommy Croslin: Still Lying To Cops, Wife?

Tell us your theories about the time line recant. Do you think Tommy was lying then or now? And Flora Hollars: she now tells me that Misty planned to split the money Tommy and Joe Overstreet made from selling the gun of her then boyfriend Ronald Cummnigs. Only the gun was gone and she says Joe got angry and took Haleigh instead…

more...

http://www.artharris.com/2010/05/03/haleigh-cummings-is-tommy-croslin-still-lying/

[groovy135]

Pinkyandduhbrain said,
in May 4th, 2010 at 1:00 am

So, gonna take a swack at decoding Simon`s format protocol. The tape above appears to be the MARCH 31st visit. The previous tape cluster released seemed to be other dates in March as well.

The next release(s) should cover D-DAY! 4/13
Right in that time frame, I think.

Looks like we just witnessed the tip of the iceberg. This tape kicks off with the money
fight between Lindsy & Tommy… and I bet you
dollars to doughnuts… it all runs down hill
from here REAL FAST - Lindsy`s divorce papers filed 4/28. Next load of tapes must be like
firecrackers!!!!


http://www.bloggernews.net/124465

[groovy135]

Interesting,,,


Concerned Papa Concerned Papa says

IDK, but it sounds like "Let's Make A Deal" to me for Ma and Pa.
I wish we knew more about this. It seems to me that three fairly significant developments have come to our attention in recent days regarding Hank and Lisa Croslin.

(1) Hank Sr. and Lisa have been sentenced to wrist slaps of probation only for their charges. I realize we know very little about the State's case against them, but particularly Hank's charge of Doctor Shopping wouldn't take much to tie it into the trafficing charges against his 2 kids along with the others. In any event probation suprised the heck out of me.

(2) According to these tapes, they have apparantly cut off all visits and phone calls from Tommy and Misty. Why?

(3) It's being alleged that "the Croslins" had already been searching the Shell Harbor area in the past.

IDK, but it sounds like "Let's Make A Deal" to me for Ma and Pa.


http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/09/...#comment-44743

[groovy135]

looking for Justice said,

in May 4th, 2010 at 10:54 am

I listened to the Levi Page show this morning. According to G.Holler it was Misty that told her to call Annette Sykes to let her know what Tommy had said. It was then that Annette and Teresa Neves went out to the woods and searched. AS said they found nothing. It was Chelsea that told G.Holler the specific area to search off 309. G.Holler says now Timmy and Chelsea do not want to talk with her and they had their phone number changed. Grandma Holler agrees with Lyndsey divorcing Tommy.

http://www.bloggernews.net/124465

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124468


Haleigh Cummings – Tommy Can’t Sleep In Jail!

Posted on May 4th, 2010
by Simon Barrett in crime


In this tape we get to hear Tommy Croslin complain about not being able to sleep. Then the poor quality of photos that his wife sent him of the kids. Then how she should have postponed her visit so the Austin could have come as well.

This tape is all about the ‘ME’ generation. I have mentioned in the past that I see parallels in this case with the sad Caylee Anthony story. Both are of the ‘ME’ generation.

Tommy whines that his father has not been visiting “He is probably high, and they are on a binge”.

The more tapes I hear from Tommy, the more convinced I become that he is a demanding and controlling man. He harps about money, on and on.

Oh and that is just the first 10 minutes. I have not had the chance to listen to the entire tape yet, we are too busy trying to get these rendered to take time.

You can listen to the whole sordid tape here: http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may4021.mp3

I have to admit that the Haleigh Cummings case is one of the most frustrating stories I have covered.

Simon Barrett

[MadmamainNC]

http://www.news4jax.com/2010/0218/22603722_640X360.jpg


On SM.

Tell me she's washed those 'rows since she's had them?

[groovy135]

Here is a great link if it is not already posted elsewhere...it is a collection of news articles and videos...sorted in time frame. You can change the name at the top if you are looking at other cases. Very helpful.
http://interceder.net/news/haleigh-cummings

on SM

[Aena]

Tell me she's washed those 'rows since she's had them?


God I wish I could meet with that girl and have a little "chat" with her, stick her head in the toilet would wash those rows and give her a taste of what HaLeigh felt...if that isn't how they killed her well then it would still be a really fun way of teaching her a lesson about what happens to liars.

[MadmamainNC]

God I wish I could meet with that girl and have a little "chat" with her, stick her head in the toilet would wash those rows and give her a taste of what HaLeigh felt...if that isn't how they killed her well then it would still be a really fun way of teaching her a lesson about what happens to liars.

I just want to know who the hell did them for her if she wasn't in GP?

[Aena]

I just want to know who the hell did them for her if she wasn't in GP?


Hmm good question, I never really thought about that. Maybe she is the trustee's bitch?

[sintax]

SHERIFF'S SON ARRESTED ON DRUG CHARGES!!!!!!!!

Sheriff's son arrested in meth ring

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Sheriffs-son-arrested-in-meth-ring/MbMmeGheRE6JVbWu9Cmt0w.cspx

[myra manes]

SHERIFF'S SON ARRESTED ON DRUG CHARGES!!!!!!!!

Sheriff's son arrested in meth ring

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Sheriffs-son-arrested-in-meth-ring/MbMmeGheRE6JVbWu9Cmt0w.cspx

Holy fucking Bombshell .. :eek:

[groovy135]

WOW,,,The Sheriff's son arrested, I wonder if that will effect Haleigh's case, maybe some of those meth-head's know some dirt on the Pillbillies,,,check this out,,

http://www.bloggernews.net/124479


I don’t mess in the world of BOMBSHELL, Exclusive, or Breaking News. I leave that for other people. I mess in the world of trying to figure out what is going on. The last set of jail house tape were released several weeks ago. It is one thing having a DVD in your hand, and a different thing having something available online. The last set of three DVD’s contained a file that was fighting back. I played with it a couple of times and made the choice to move on. Yesterday I decided to throw everything I had at it. Three computers, three different operating systems, and hell knows how many different pieces of software, we have a version of the audio.

It is a conversation between Tommy and his wife. It comes from the time that he had blinkers on that the jail system was recording him.

Without question this is the tape that everyone needs to listen to.

Lindsey: They tried to tell Chelsea that you were smoking crack

Tommy: F##k them damn detectives

I don’t smoke no damn crack I take pills

L: They talk about you doing powder too

T: F##K them

when did they say that

L: they tol.. I don’t know it was the other day

T: oh well f##k them I don’t care what they say

I love you

L: <inaudible>

Good save tom, good save

T: Well it is, I don’t do that kind of shit

I done coke in the past yea. But it aint my drug of choice,

I like pills,

If I am going to spend my money on drugs, I am gonna by some pills

L: Quit getting mad you can tell cos you start doing this

Tommy the innocent then launches into some Biblical references, the importance of his Drivers license, his birth certificate, blah blah.

T: Misty covering for her old man.

She is so stupid, I don’t want anything to do with her no more, all this trouble she has brought on this family

L: She needs some help.

T: Ever since she got with ronald man

L: I don’t know if she thinks this is a game.

Tommy: I think its what Ronald told us, thats what happened.

Now he is kicking himself in the ass cos he told

Now its probably too late

Now they know if they give the kid up they are f##ked. But the police don’t want to hear that.

I think she is covering for somebody

Ouch, ouch, ouch. All I can say is listen this yourself. It is not pretty, it is what it is.

Tape.http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may5011.mp3

Simon Barrett

[groovy135]

http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN

LindsyLPN is not in a very good place right now.

[groovy135]

How about this, from SM,


Now this booking is interesting; (stolen by fcl from somewhere)

Sheriff Hardy’s son is arrested. He has a different name, this is from a local, because he was emancipated and took his step father’s name.

JOSHUA TROY IMM
SATSUMA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 5/6/2010 12:50:14 AM - Booking#: 10-01942
Release Date & Time:
DOB: 1/17/1984 - RACE: W - SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.149-1a DRUGS-POSSESS LISTED CHEMICAL WIT MANUFACTURE CNTRL SUBS F S $2,504.00
827.03-1c CRUELTY TOWARD CHILD URGE OTHER TO ACT RESULT PHYS MENTAL INJURY F T $1,004.00
893.13-1a1 DRUGS-SELL SELL METHAMPHETAMINE F S $2,504.00
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M F $504.00
893.13-7a5 DANGEROUS DRUGS KEEP SHOP OR VEHICLE ETC FOR DRUGS 1ST VIOL


http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=760611&IMG=61111

Supposedly Tommy mentions this person on some jail visit tapes.

[MadmamainNC]

I don’t mess in the world of BOMBSHELL, Exclusive, or Breaking News. I leave that for other people. I mess in the world of trying to figure out what is going on. The last set of jail house tape were released several weeks ago. It is one thing having a DVD in your hand, and a different thing having something available online. The last set of three DVD’s contained a file that was fighting back. I played with it a couple of times and made the choice to move on. Yesterday I decided to throw everything I had at it. Three computers, three different operating systems, and hell knows how many different pieces of software, we have a version of the audio.

It is a conversation between Tommy and his wife. It comes from the time that he had blinkers on that the jail system was recording him.

She is so stupid, I don’t want anything to do with her no more, all this trouble she has brought on this family

L: She needs some help.

T: Ever since she got with ronald man

L: I don’t know if she thinks this is a game.

Tommy: I think its what Ronald told us, thats what happened.

Now he is kicking himself in the ass cos he told

Now its probably too late

Now they know if they give the kid up they are f##ked. But the police don’t want to hear that.

I think she is covering for somebody

Ouch, ouch, ouch. All I can say is listen this yourself. It is not pretty, it is what it is.

Tape.http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may5011.mp3



I want to make sure my reading comprehension skills aren't messing with my head.
This particular DVD was bad? And someone had to get it working?
Could that have been on purpose?
I am telling you that SOB is in this neck deep and now the Sheriff's son is a druggy too? How far into the Po-po do these drugs run?
Where's that link about the FBI looking into the sheriff's dept?

[MadmamainNC]

http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN

LindsyLPN is not in a very good place right now.

I feel bad for her. That DipHempdogshitDan is an asshole.

[groovy135]

http://www.news4jax.com/




Dad: Misty, Hank 'Didn't Hurt Haleigh'
Parents Of Misty Cummings, Hank Croslin Jr. Talk About Haleigh Case

POSTED: Friday, May 7, 2010
UPDATED: 2:59 pm EDT May 7, 2010



An Amber Alert was issued Feb. 10, 2009, for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings
MORE ONLINE:
Haleigh Cummings Disappearance Timeline
Tour Of Satsuma Home Where Haleigh Disappeared

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Hank Croslin Sr. swears he doesn't know what happened to missing 6-year-old Satsuma girl Haleigh Cummings.

"I know my daughter and son didn't hurt Haleigh," said Croslin, 41, the father of Misty Cummings and Hank Croslin Jr. "My heart goes out to Haleigh's parents, Ronald (Cummings) and all of them. I don't know what happened that day. I still don't know what happened."

The Croslin name has become synonymous with the missing girl now presumed dead by investigators. Croslin Sr. said the case has destroyed his family.

On Friday, he talked to Channel 4 for the first time.

"They didn't hurt that baby. That's the one thing I can tell you," he said of his son and daughter. "They don't have the heart to do that."

"It's like the whole world has condemned us, and we didn't do nothing."

Misty Cummings talks to her father, Hank Croslin Sr., during a jail visit, as seen in video released April 7.

Croslin Sr.'s children remain in jail on drug charges unrelated to the Haleigh case. He said he speaks to them when he can, but they don't like to discuss the case over the phone because they know the calls will be made public.

"She just cries and says, 'Mom, I don't want to be in here forever,'" said Lisa Croslin, the mother of Misty Cummings and Hank Croslin Jr., of her conversations with Cummings. "Like I told her, there's nothing I can do."

For five months, Croslin Sr. and his 40-year-old wife have called a tiny room home. They stay in a board house in Putnam County and are unemployed. They said they don't think anyone will hire them because of their reputation.

"You live one day at a time," Croslin Sr. said. "You just hope you can make it through that day."

When asked how much money they have in their pockets, Croslin Sr. said, "Not a penny."

The parents were asked that when the Haleigh case comes to an end, will their son and daughter be vindicated for the girl's disappearance.

Croslin Sr. said: "I think they'll be found innocent, yeah, of not harming her. I don't know what happened -- what they know or what happened -- but I know either one of them didn't hurt that baby."

[groovy135]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100507/articles/100509550


Cummings seeking bond reduction in drug case

Staff report


Published: Friday, May 7, 2010 at 9:58 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, May 7, 2010 at 9:58 a.m.
Ronald Cummings, the father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings, has requested a hearing today to consider reducing his bond on drug trafficking charges, according to the 7th Circuit State Attorney's Office.

Ronald Cummings Cummings, 26, is charged with five counts of trafficking narcotics, with bond set at $900,000. A reduction hearing is set for 2 p.m. in Putnam County, but a possibility exists it could be canceled, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the State Attorney's Office.

Cummings, his former wife, Misty Croslin, and three others were arrested in January following an undercover investigation in which an officer allegedly bought narcotics such as oxycodone.

Haleigh disappeared from Cummings' home in February 2009 while under the care of Croslin, who was then Cummings' girlfriend. Sheriff Jeff Hardy recently said authorities believe Haleigh is dead and that the case is being considered a homicide.

[groovy135]

On Topix,


From Scared Monkeys site - MISTY CROSLIN COMPLETE LAYERED VOICE ANALYSIS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7653.msg1128749#msg1128749

[groovy135]

Topix,



Hope Sykes must have been transfered.
Booking Date & Time: 1/20/2010 10:37:05 PM - Booking#: 10-00279
Release Date & Time: 5/7/2010 7:15:06 AM

Offender Name: HOPE A SYKES
Offender ID: 155265 Date of Birth: 03/24/1991 Age: 19 Custody Status: In Custody Scheduled Release Date: 01/16/2025 Location of Offender: Lowell Ci-Womens Unt Race: White Gender: Female
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/siteInfoAction.do?siteId=10000

[Lilith]

Jeez... He's been released?? Or??


From SM post #339
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7653.msg1128749#msg1128749



2010-05-06 27 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
2010-05-06 27 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
2010-05-06 28 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
2010-05-06 28 STATE'S MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
2010-05-06 28 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANT'S
2010-05-06 28 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)

[groovy135]

Lilith,

I don't think Ron has been release yet, he had requested a bail reduction hearing and it was canceled for this week,,,don't know if the hearing has been rescheduled as of now.

To keep him near and dear to out hearts, here's an old You Tube video of Ronbo showing off his ink.

YouTube- ronald cummings gets tattoo at aces and eights tattoos

[MC30]

dude..if i owned that tattoo shop i would have burnt that tape. those are some of the most ugly tattoos i have ever seen. i would be ashamed to promote such shitty work. really, those are just....bad. maybe the one on his back is ok...(i wonder when and where he got that?) but the others...just bad.

[groovy135]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/


Saturday, May 08, 2010
Ronald Cummings to Be Arrested


I am as sick of "Bombshell Tonite!" language as anyone. Although this word is used nightly, I think one is actually going to fall, and I think it is going to fall soon and weigh in with a prediction:


Will this be the bombshell that explodes before the drug trafficking sentencing of Misty Croslin, Ronald Cummings, and Tommy Croslin?

I think so. We can thank prosecutors and a judge who put Hope Sykes behind bars for 15 years for bringing this to a conclusion.


Let's take another look at Ronald Cummings; beginning with what we do know, based upon Statement Analysis, or by profiling, and/or by news reports that have not been disproved, and in some cases, have gone unchallenged. We seek to put some pieces of a puzzle together.

The pieces of the puzzle are beginning to come together. The sentencing of Hope Sykes is the key.

1. Ronald Cummings is a druggie. We have the video evidence which showed what we have all known since the beginning when Geraldo was unable to interview the zombies in Satsuma due to drug addiction. No surprise here. What does surprise me, however, is the willingness of those, including Nancy Grace, to ignore the 'not difficult to do' profiling of an addict.

When I saw Ronald Cummings appear in court, I almost did not recognize him. His weight gain was stunning. Weight gain on jail food? Tommy, on video, said that his own weight gain in jail was due to being off drugs.

If Ronald was using narcotics (opiates) we know that long term usage creates tolerance; where the body needs more to have the same analgesic impact. Higher dosage means reduced testosterone (lower sex drive, weight gain). Lower testosterone leads to weight gain, especially for a man in his stomach. With lower testosterone, Ronald did not gain weight until jail time. The opiate abuse was so acute that he wasn't eating.

Have you ever had an opiate? Likely when you went to the dentist. When you took it, it wiped you out, and you were high, dizzy, and sleepy. About the last thing you would feel (if you did not use long term) was energy.

Not so for the addict.

With long term opiate abuse, the body relies so heavily upon the opiate that without it, there is no energy. When someone who has used as much as Ronald Cummings has takes his opiates, he has energy. He feels good. In 4-6 hours, the effects quickly dissipate, and withdrawal begins. This is a very dangerous time for children of addicts. While high, the heroin mommy is cooking, cleaning, and affectionate. When she comes down, the monster of irritability begins to show. She sneezes, is sleepy, achy, and the cravings begin.

Ronald gained weigh on jail food because his drug habit was long term and acute.

Teresa Nieves said that he only sold "to get close to Misty to find out what happened to Haleigh". This is the lie, not of a mother in denial, but of an addict.

Teresa is also an addict who did not raise Ronald due to her addiction. She was cleaned up for the Nancy Grace show, but she is an addict and I believe she knows more about the killing of her grandchild than she has let on. More about this later. Ronald is an acute addict; long term, and it appears that he got the job he did in order to satisfy DCF to keep his two children. When DCF investigated (repeatedly) they sought a family member to take the children and could not find anyone who could pass a drug test, for had they, they would have placed the children with them. They could not. Ron did the bare minimum to get them off his back.

Ever hear of a celebration test?

It's when the parent knows a drug test is coming, cleans up (buprenorphine) for a few days, and then flushes for days on end. When the test is passed, they go out and celebrate.

The morning after the passed test is always a great time to re-test.

2. Ronald is a violent man.

"How you let my daughter, get stole, bitch?" is the language of domestic violence. Haleigh's biological mother was terrified of him, as, it appears, was Tommy (a beheaded rat would scare anyone), Ron's other ex, and likely Teresa, his mother. Ronald has rage built up inside of him for the many years of abuse and neglect he suffered before being removed from his mother. We have a violent, drugged embittered man on our hands.

3. With drug sales comes bad people. The moment someone takes a prescription and sells a single pill, they have put their children in jeopardy. Addicts want more. Addicts don't ask for receipts. Addicts want more. Addicts may want a refund. Now, the children are at risk for the violent drug users who come in and out of the home to buy pills. I'm willing to bet that Teresa has sold her share, as has Hank Sr. Grammie Hollars (she appeared under the influence on the Nancy Grace show, even as the "experts" were praising her "courage. Ronald needed guns, why?

4. Nay Nay, close to the family, described Ronald as backhanding, and beating the shit out of junior. Nay Nay may have zero credibility but I've met many fathers who beat their kids and Ronald walks, talks, acts, and smirks like them all. Crystal reported it as well. DCF was involved for a reason and had to draw up a contract which Ronald agreed to "only" hit on the behind. There is a reason why DCF needed him to put this in writing: so that it could be showed to a judge on the next DCF investigation where they attempt to save the children from this monster. Too late.

5. 911 Call.

We have already seen that the 911 call is deceptive. (see previous analysis)

Why would Misty need to be deceptive to report a missing child? This is obvious: because Misty is involved. No question.

But why did Misty wait until Ron got home to make that call?

If you read the transcripts, it appears that Ronald coached her with her story.

Even though Ronald knew Misty was drugging for days and couldn't watch the kids adequately, (he tried to get Teresa to watch them but she refused....Misty said she even offered money to Teresa but she wouldn't watch them even though she knew the impact of drugs...want to interpret those tears on the Nancy Grace show with Teresa in her makeover?) they had a fight at 8:30PM and Ronald called her more than 20 times, and said he sent Tommy over to check on them, Ronald STILL had the wherewithal to stop off at the local Stop and Rob to pick up some beer and peanuts. Now that's a caring father!

Then we have the cinder blocks.

Have you ever carried a sleeping 5 year old? How about a very tiny sleeping 5 year old? You don't need to use a heavy cinder block to open the door.

Misty mentioned the cinder block in her account (see analysis) because that is exactly what she was picturing in her mind as she spoke:

Haleigh's long curly hair as she is tied to a cinder block and carried out the door, to be thrown into the river.

Ronald knew all along. I think Ronald Cummings put the cinder block in the door to stage a kidnapping? (a "stole")

You don't think so?

1. He coached her on the 911 call. She needed coaching, why?? Look at Misty being interviewed elsewhere, as she looks to Ronald as to what to answer. Look at the analysis again: WHY is a question such as "how tall is she?" sensitive? Why would Misty need to stall to answer, cover the phone up, and then NOT answer the question directly? Review the Statement Analysis of the entire call. We have already established that the call is bogus by its order:

I just woke up
The door was open
and oh, by the way, "our" daughter is gone. Did she say "our" because she was coached? Or, is it the language of step parenting? Misty had only known Haleigh a few months up until then.

2 So, his daughter "gets stole" and he tells the 911 operator that he is going to kill whoever did this. He is one angry dad. Police tell him early on that Misty is involved. As soon as a State or Fed analyst gets on board, everyone, including Ronald and Misty, are told the 911 call is a ruse.

Ronald takes this information and what does he do?

He marries Misty.

Tim Miller allows a zealous worker to get close to Misty, in order to get info.

What does Ronald do?

He tells Misty.

After the marriage shock that showed his true colors dies down, talking heads begin to say, "well, this won't help Ronald as the crime took place BEFORE they married, so marital privilege does not apply."

Uh oh.

So, Ronald divorces her. You know, the same Misty he said he would put a shotgun to the back of her head and blow her teeth out? Even his ability to think of that shows what he is capable of doing.

Whenever Ronald is interviewed about his "missing" daughter, what is the first, or one of the first things he says?

"I was at work."

"I just got home"

Over and over, he lays out the emphasis.

What does this tell us?

He was at home.

This offering of information, when not prompted, is critical. By Ronald offering that he was not at home, he is telling us that he was at home during a critical part of this homicide.

Misty, Tommy, and Ronald have all lied. (so has Teresa Nieves).

Ronald was a violent and neglectful father, entrusting the kids to a teenage druggie. He could have cared less. He was the same parent that his mother was to him. The circle continues.

Poor Haleigh.

I think she ingested oxy and this whole scenario was concocted by Ronald and Misty and they made Tommy get involved with disposing the body because he was implicated in something; perhaps he was molesting Haleigh; perhaps Misty traded Haleigh for drugs or money;

but they had something serious enough on Tommy to keep him silent, and when Ronald thought he was cracking, he sent over the beheaded rat as a warning.

Ronald is a scary, violent person, and Tommy knows it well.

But now Hope has gotten a HUGE sentence. Tommy doesn't want to go that long and Ronald is behind bars and can't scare Tommy.

Tommy flunked the poly and his lawyer get law enforcement involved.

Whatever they had on Tommy, was powerful enough to get him to help Misty unload the body, which is why Ronald kept calling her in a panic.

Whether Misty gave Haliegh a broken off piece of pill, or she found it, the dirt was so bad that they could not point the finger at each other (Ronald and Misty) without nailing the other; so they worked together. They have something bad enough on Tommy to nail him.

With another scenario where Ron wasn't directly involved, but then became part of the coverup: What would be so terrible that Misty has over Ronald, to get him to help her make the 911 call and the cover up?

I don't know, but we do have a hint.

Was Ronald molesting his daughter?

Who knows how screwed up his brain is on drugs?
Ronald has a very high likelihood of being molested as a child; due to the drug world he grew up in and was eventually taken from his mother's custody but NOT the family.

Ronald, on national TV, said he is attracted to young girls. This is an embarrassing and humiliating thing for him to say. Since druggies are liars AND since human nature naturally minimizes is there something about Ronald sexually that is disturbing?

We have the reference by Misty to laundry and washing; verbal indications of sexual abuse in the home.

We know that even non drug users minimize their own behavior. It is like the woman who slaps her child in the face at Walmart. WHAT DO YOU THINK she does to the child at home, when no one is looking??

If Ronald was willing to admit, in general terms, his attraction to young girls, this would indicate that he may prefer them even younger than he said. This would indicate a stunted emotional growth in him, often found in abusers.

True pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescents. I do not know if this is Ronald. I am seeking to know, if he wasn't involved in her death, what Misty may have over him that caused him to be part of the coverup. Although I am not saying Ronald is a pedophile, I am saying, in certainty, that sexual abuse of Haleigh Cummings needs to be explored and this begins with the adults who had the closest contact with her.

Ronald, Misty, and Tommy, however, are all united in their desire to blame one person (who Ronald has, apparently, allowed to live, inspite of his threats):

Joe Overstreet may be a creepy thing with a history, but he didn't do it.

I think that BEFORE Ronald, Misty and Tommy are sentenced for the drug trafficking,

WE WILL HAVE AN ARREST.

I think Misty will be arrested, to no one's surprise, but to many, the surprise arrest will be Ronald.

I think Tommy cuts a deal to implicate them and gets a reduced sentence.

I think we will see this "bombshell" on the news:

Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin to be arrested for the homicide of Haleigh Cummings.

[Lilith]

Lilith,

I don't think Ron has been release yet, he had requested a bail reduction hearing and it was canceled for this week,,,don't know if the hearing has been rescheduled as of now.


Thanks for clearing that up Groovy... That one had me a tad bit confused...

[myra manes]

Lilith,

I don't think Ron has been release yet, he had requested a bail reduction hearing and it was canceled for this week,,,don't know if the hearing has been rescheduled as of now.

To keep him near and dear to out hearts, here's an old You Tube video of Ronbo showing off his ink.

YouTube- ronald cummings gets tattoo at aces and eights tattoos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7sDCXuZ69I)

Was that a tattoo of a weird clown face with long flowing dark hair?

What was the first one supposed to be?
Sort of looked like a male baby .. :stupido3:

What was the blob on his boyish chest supposed to be?


Fuck, those are some terribly done tattoos .. :eek:

[sintax]

Was that a tattoo of a weird clown face with long flowing dark hair?

What was the first one supposed to be?
Sort of looked like a male baby .. :stupido3:

What was the blob on his boyish chest supposed to be?


Fuck, those are some terribly done tattoos .. :eek:

They are bad, aren't they? I decided the first one is Junior, on Ron's calf. The second one (the clown) is Haleigh. On his chest is his mother's name, Teresa. I have no way to prove this. It is only my opinion, for what it's worth.

[cubby]

I'm not saying the tattoos are good cause I think they aren't, but the ones on his legs are fresh (at the time) and still have ointment on them and covered in plastic wrap, so they are distorted. The Haleigh one will probably look some better when it's healed and without all that stuff over it, hopefully at least, it won't look like a Clown, cause then it did look clownish.

Those folks are the craziest people I've ever heard of. I really think I believe all what has been written about Ron's mother, Teresa, cause my grandchildren wouldn't have stayed that situation if there was anything I could have done about it, and most assuredly if I had been given the chance to possibly get custody. the very fact that she wasn't or didn't seek custody proved to me that she was unfit in some capacity and couldn't have them.

Hopefully that makes sense, it's late and I should be in bed, it's been a long day.

[Angelinfl]

Wow florida has alot of crime eh??Wasnt there a serial murderer that killed a bunch of students back in the 80s??

Are you talking about the escaped Ted Bundy who was finally convicted in Florida and died in Old Sparky in 1989??? I still think there are alot more bodies and people that Ted touched ... he was very ragefully prolific.

[myra manes]

They are bad, aren't they? I decided the first one is Junior, on Ron's calf. The second one (the clown) is Haleigh. On his chest is his mother's name, Teresa. I have no way to prove this. It is only my opinion, for what it's worth.

:eek: That dark haired clown face is Haleigh???
It looks like an adult and NOTHING like Haleigh .. : /

Junior????
:rofl: I'm sorry but :rofl:

That tattoo artist blows chunks!
Worst tats ever!

[sintax]

Happy Mother's Day to all of my Demon friends!

:cheers:

[myra manes]

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/

Joe Overstreet’s Body Language Analysis Shows Signals of Deception. But What Did Haleigh’s Father Ron’s Previous Body Language Show ?

[MadmamainNC]

They are bad, aren't they? I decided the first one is Junior, on Ron's calf. The second one (the clown) is Haleigh. On his chest is his mother's name, Teresa. I have no way to prove this. It is only my opinion, for what it's worth.

It looks like they did Jr's. tattoo after someone wet his lips and stuck him to a sheet of glass like a suction cup. :stupido3:

[CplPunishment]

Dam is this ever going to be over?

[sintax]

It looks like they did Jr's. tattoo after someone wet his lips and stuck him to a sheet of glass like a suction cup. :stupido3:

OMG! LOL!!! That is so true!!!!!


:rofl:

[sintax]

Ronald Cummings:Geraldo Interview



Let's use the principles of Statement Analysis to take a look at Ronald Cumming's interview with Geraldo, shortly after Misty reported to police that Haleigh has gone missing.

Geraldo Confronts Haleigh Cummings' Dad
Sunday, February 22, 2009



The following transcript is Geraldo's confrontation with Ronald Cummings, father of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings. In the confrontation, Geraldo asks him about allegations he'd abused Haleigh, her biological mother and drug use.




RIVERA: "Chad and Marcus told me that during the vigil, you told them you were 75 percent sure who took Haleigh."

CUMMINGS: "There is no way — I do not know who took Haleigh. If I had — if I had, uh, five percent of where Haleigh was at, I would be there now and not here."

First he says, "There is no way" but does not finish his sentence and we cannot be certain what he is referencing. "There is no way that I know who did it?" Perhaps, but we do not know.

"I do not know who took Haleigh" in an open statement is quite strong; however, it is reduced in strength because he uses Geraldo's words back to Geraldo; therefore we cannot consider it umprompted. (The only way it could be considered stronger is if he used the contraction "don't" know who took Haleigh.) When someone says, unprompted, "I didn't do it" it is likely to be true; yet when it is in response to "Did you do it?", "No, I didn't do it" as a response, is easier to lie, and not as a trustworthy of a denial.

It could be that he doesn't know who took Haleigh; Misty or Tommy, or he could be saying that he doesn't know the person or persons that took her, or he could be lying. Note also he uses Haleigh's proper name here. It is also noted that Geraldo used Haleigh's name first, so its use is not open but a reflection. Note all language that is independent of a reflection back to the subject of the interview.

"If I had — if I had, uh, five percent of where Haleigh was at, I would be there now and not here."

Here the repetition of "If I had, if I had" is a show that he is under stress. This is to be expected under the circumstances. 2 "I's" in a statement by a non-stutter shows stress. 3 is anxiety. 6 is likley a hospitalization/nervous break down to follow. 9 is only found in homicides.

"...five percent"

Ronald answers Geraldo's charge that he, Ronald, told others he knew who took Haleigh with "75%" certainty.

In Ronald's own language, he now lowers that percentage to "5%"

This use of "%" in language is an indication that Ronald uses percentages as part of his normal speech, since he has offered this to Geraldo. It indicates that when he denied saying "75%" to others, that he was being deceptive. It may be that he did not tell the two specific people named by Geraldo, but that he did likely tell someone that he was "75%" sure he knew who took Haleigh.


This is our first indication of deception in this interview. We do not take a statement and call it unreliable on just one indicator.

"I would be there, not here."

Ronald affirms that if he had even 5% knowledge, far less than 75%, of where Haleigh was, he would be "there" and not "here".

"there" is a specific place; just as "here" is a specific place, where Ronald and Geraldo stood. This may be an indicator that Ronald knew where Haleigh was taken. Ronald says he would be "there" and not that Haleigh would be home. This may be an indication that Ronald knows that Haleigh is deceased.

It would sound more natural to say that if he knew where Haleigh was, she would be brought home where she would be safe; not that Ronald would be with her "there", which represents danger as well as distance.


RIVERA: "Did you tell them that, though? Maybe you weren’t — maybe you were just were just — are they lying?"

Geraldo asks a compound question, a mistake in Interviewing. By asking a compound question, in an investigation, or even a hiring interview, it allows the subject of the interview to pick and choose which question to answer.

CUMMINGS: "Yes, they’re absolutely lying. No, for no reason have I ever told anybody that I have any clue where my child is at. If I had any clue where my child — you know, national TV, they’re a bunch of liars. Chad and whoever told you this are a bunch of liars. I never even spoke with them."

absolutely This is an extra word. Extra words give us extra information and weakens the denial of having told two others that he was 75% sure who had caused Haleigh to go missing. "They're lying" is strong, but the addition of the qualifier weakens the assertion.

"No, for no reason have I ever told anybody that I have any clue where my child is at. "


This is an unusual response. Ronald is upset and this can be likened to the legal term for "excited utterance" where emotions are high. He is now answering the question "why", which was not posed to him. It indicates increased sensitivity. The whereabouts of Haleigh is something that is highly sensitive. Ronald tells us that "for no reason", which is not a denial of "did you tell anybody" but that he had no reason to tell anybody.

"ever" weakens the assertion. It is an extra word and is not necessary to complete the sentence, therefore can be viewed as important to us.

"that I have any clue"

This is different than what was asked. He was asked if he told individuals that he knew, with 75% certainty, who had taken Haleigh. We have already seen that Ronald does speak in percentages, not simply repeating Geraldo, but using a different number, taking ownership of the expression.

"100 percent not guilty" when used in court will statistically point to guilt.

Ronald was not asked if he had "any clue" who took Haleigh. Ronald's own language went from who took Haleigh to location "there", shifting the focus away from who might have taken her, to where she had already been taken.

He is not telling us that he has "no clue" as to who took Haleigh, but that he has "no clue" as to where Haleigh is. Ronald was not asked this question, which makes location central to Ronald's thinking.

"...where my child is."

Note that Ronald uses "my" personal pronoun.

He also uses "child", which is associated with abuse. Parents who are concerned that their child may have been abused, or could be abused will use the word "child". It is not an indication that of who, including Ronald, may have abused Haleigh, only that it indicates that abuse is on the mind. If Haleigh was kidnapped, this would be an expected response for any parent who believes a their son or daughter to be kidnapped would be thinking of abuse.

Ronald states that he does not have a clue where Haleigh is at. The issue is that he was not asked where Haleigh was at, but rather the subject was "who" took Haleigh, and if Ronald knew who took her. At this point, Ronald redirects the interview away from who may have taken Haleigh, and shifted it to where Haleigh was taken to.


"I never even spoke with them."

In Statement Analyis, never does not mean "no". We have the extra, unnecessary word, "even", which adds emphasis. This is likely an indication that Ronald spoke with both of them and is lying.



RIVERA: "They told — they told me that you hit Haleigh. Is that true?"

CUMMINGS: "No. Never, ever have I ever hit my child. Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF says that you can take care of disciplining your children."

Statement Analysis: never does not mean "no".

Ronald makes an emphasis with the denial, "no" but then weakens the denial with "never", an extra word. But then he adds "ever" further indicating a weakening of the denial suggesting deception. Haleigh is again referred to as "child" which indicates abuse, or fear of abuse. "my" shows possession. The denial appears weak, and it is likely that he hit Haleigh.

"Me and my child have an agreement."

Notice the order: Ronald comes before his child.

In Statement Analysis, order is always significant.

Note also the absence of Haleigh's name while talking about Haleigh being hit. They have an "agreement" between them. Did 5 year old Haleigh enter into a an agreement with her father? An agreement suggests the cooperation of both parties. > Itis unusual language and weakens Ronald's credibility as he is seeking to show that Haleigh, age 5, approved of this agreement. Had Haleigh never been abused by Ronald, why would such an agreement be necessary.

"Daddy, daughter" repeatsthe word, and emphasizes order again.

He has claimed that Haleigh has never "ever" been hit (repeat emphasis sign of deception) but then says,

"she has been spanked on her behind"

Notice passive language. He does not say by whom Haleigh has been hit. He removes himself from the statement; distancing himself from hitting Haleigh. She has been spanked. Since she likely did not spank herself, and no one else is added, we can only conclude that Ronald did the spanking.

"...the way DCF says that you can take care of disciplining your children."

Ronald says the way DCF says that youcan; not that he can. This reduces commitment and continues to remove himself from responsibility.

He says the spanking is the way DCF says. This means that Ronald may have had another way of disciplining Haleigh.

The inclusion of DCF answers the question, "what agreement?". It is likely that DCF workers confronted Ronald Cummings about hitting his child and that he signed a Family Agreement, that he would no longer do so, but only spank her on the rear end. Haleigh may have been in the room when this "agreement" was reached if the DCF social workers thought it necessary to bind Ronald to the agreement. The reason DCF would put this in writing is that should they receive evidence that Ronald has violated his agreement, they would use this to present to the court in order to remove Haleigh from his custody. For many agencies, having a parent sign a Family Agreement (it is under various names from varying states) is the final step, along with parenting classes, that they take before seeking court ordered protection. The written agreement may have included other issues, common to such documents, as parenting classes, random drug tests, etc. This may be the "agreement" that he and Haleigh had. "Daddy, daughter" is used to establish authority, as Ronald likely felt his authority threatened by the Department of Children and Families consideration to seek court ordered protection for Haleigh.

"disciplining your children"; not Ronald's children. Language shows distancing. He did not say "disciplining my children".

Haleigh was not just spanked, she was spanked by someone. Ronald conceals the identity. Remember this is in response to Geraldo's statement about Ronald hitting Haleigh.

Ronald's answer shows deception, as his claim of "never ever" been hit, to his passive admission that she has been hit, howbeit now "spanked", and that to be on the behind, which most people would assume a spanking means. The added words "on the behind" tell us that Ronald:

a has hit Haleigh before
b. he has hit Haleigh in other places besides the behind, which is not DCF way

and now he is limited to only her behind by the agreement he made with Haleigh.


RIVERA: You never backhanded her to the face?

CUMMINGS: [OVERLAP] Never. Never have I ever backhanded my child in the face, ever.

Never does not mean no. We have a double response, weaking the denial. Ronald does not use her name and reflects back only Geraldo's language. This would lead me to believe that Ronald has hit Haleigh in the face, specifically by use of his backhand. Notice that Ronald puts the first person singular back into the sentence: we have "never", and "never" and "ever" in the same sentence, further indicating deception. Ronald does not call her "Haleigh" here, but only "my child" again, indicating concern over child abuse. The absence of the proper name is an indication, here, that Ronald is again concerned about child abuse. He has been investigate by the State of Florida for child abuse, as he referenced his dealing with DCF.

RIVERA: "Did you hit Crystal when she was pregnant?"


CUMMINGS: "No. I did not. Never."

No, I did not, is a strong denial by itself, but then it is weakened with the additional word "never" and is an indication that Ronald is being deceptive about domestic violence with Crystal. When he says "never" is he referring to only "never while she was pregnant" or is it inclusive of all time?

RIVERA: "You didn’t hit her in the back of the head and kick her?"

CUMMINGS: "No. No. I never have."

3 negatives in one sentence. This is indicative of lying. There is no reflection back to Geraldo of the language that Geraldo used. It is likely that he did hit her in the back of the head and kick her, specifically.

RIVERA: "You swear to God you never hit your pregnant woman?"

CUMMINGS: [OVERLAP] Never. Never, never have I ever hit any woman, period. Never. And I’d like to know where all these allegations are coming from because I would like to talk — talk to law enforcement and have these false allegations, um, known that, um, the false allegations against me, somebody needs criminal charges pressed against them."

In this one sentence, we now have the denial 4 times, indicating deception in even stronger terms. Never. Never. Never. Ever. But before that, we have another principle in Statement Analysis:

If your subject has not answered your question, he has answered your question.

Ronald was asked if he would swear that he never hit his pregnant woman

Ronald does not answer the question ,but instead broadens it to "any" woman, and then adds the unnecessary emphasis, "period". This leads me to believe that Ronald has hit more than just one woman in his life. He introduces the subject of more women, than just Crystal, who Geraldo asked about being hit while pregnant. This investigation would then seek the names of prior girlfriends, and look for past allegations of domestic violence, Protection from Abuse Orders, and the possible intervention of Domestic Violence Shelters or Counselors into the lives of women involved with Ronald Cummings.





RIVERA: What about the allegations of cocaine use, methamphetamine use?

CUMMINGS: There’s nothing. I do not do drugs.

Ronald did not answer the question about allegations, plural, of cocaine and meth use. He said, "there's nothing"; which is not a denial. "There's nothing" may speak to prior arrests without convictions but does not answer the question of the allegations. In Statement Analysis, if the subject has not answered the question, he has answered the question.

This tells me that Ronald has used cocaine and methamphetamine.

"I do not do drugs".

This may be a truthful statement, especially given the time he said it.

In investigations where drug use may play a part in domestic violence or child abuse, when a crisis hits, when asked about drugs, many drug users will say "I don't use drugs!" even while flunking a drug test.

Why?

Because when a crisis hits, and this is certainly a crisis, Ronald may have, quietly to himself, or loudly to others, have sworn off drugs, forever.

Sobriety, even if it is just 1 hour old, or 1 day old, is still sobriety. 10 years of sobriety still had its first hour and first day. In fact, he could be sincere, even though drugs may still be in his system, that he does not use drugs, because he has made a promise to himself, or others.

He does not deny the two specific drugs to Geraldo, which would indicate that he has been involved in those two drugs, as well as the pills he was caught on video selling later.

On an investigation, if you ask "Did you smoke pot, last Wednesday night, on your shift?" and you get the response, "I don't use drugs!" you will likely know that last Wednesday on that particular shift, the person used marijuana. Geraldo continues to go after him and the sensitivity runs high:

RIVERA: "You don’t do drugs? All those arrests were all —:

CUMMINGS: No.


Ronald interrupts Geraldo to say "no" to the charge of "you don't use drugs". This interruption is due to increased anxiety and stress: sensitivity. We did not find the same level of anxiety over the identity of who took Haleigh. Why is this, drug use, more sensitive than a missing child?

This would be an indication that Haleigh's demise is linked with drugs.


RIVERA: "Do you work for the police? Are you an informant?"

Geraldo asks another compound question. It is always a mistake and allows Ronald to answer whichever question he wants to. In this case, he addresses both. Geraldo gets a "pass" on this error that someone conducting an Interview, no matter how excited, should do:

CUMMINGS: "No, I am no an informant. I do not work for the police. I work for PDM, which is a, um, bridge building company. That’s who I work for."

"No, I am not an informant" is a strong denial. Ronald is likely not an informant for the police. "I do not work for the police" is also a strong denial. Notice that the straight denial is the most credible. Here, he does not add "no, no, never, never ever". These two statements should be viewed as trustworthy, credible statements.

I conclude that Ronald did not, at the time of Haleigh's disappearance, inform or work for the police. He is telling the truth.

"I work for PDM...building bridge company. That's who I work for"

This statement is straight forward. Why the emphasis? His repeat "that's who I work for" is not necessary. Why is it repeated? There are no qualifiers added here; Ronald is not lying. He may have added the repeat due to sensitivity. It may be that part of his "agreement" in terms of custodial issues and the involvement of DCF, that he maintain employment. Ronald feels the need to describe what PDM does as a company. This is an extra detail that is not necessary. The subject of Ronald working is sensitive. Notice it follows after the accusation that he may have worked for the police (which he did not). The extra emphasis may also be an indicator that Ronald has done other things to earn a living that he no longer does; related to his arrests. On face value, he has told us the truth about not informing, not working for the police, and that he has a job with a bridge building company.



RIVERA: And you’ve never been involved in the drug trade?

CUMMINGS: No.

Ronald uses no qualifier here; no extra words. Is his simple "no" trustworthy? Geraldo pushes him.

"Yes and no" questions are to be avoided whenever possible. It is easiest to lie in a yes or no question primarily, and then it is easy to lie with a reflection answer; where the subject uses the words of an Interviewer. It is still stressful, but not nearly as stressful as lying in an open statement. A yes or no question reduces stress of lying.

RIVERA: And when they tell me they saw bricks of marijuana that you had in the house, plants all around the house, is that a lie?

CUMMINGS: It is absolutely a lie and I would like to know where the information is coming from so that I can get, um, the proper authorities to take care of this.

Ronald's denial is weak due to "absolutely" added and then he attempts to change the direction of the questioning and asks about where the information came from.

Notice that as to the marijuana plants, specifically, Ronald does not answer the question.

"I would like to know where the information is coming from that I can get,um..."

Ronald stumbles on what he would like to get in order to deal with whoever told Geraldo that marijuana was being housed. He then recovers for an answer. "um" is sometimes used as a stall tactic, to think of an answer. Was he going to get revenge? a gun?

He continued, "the proper authorities to take care of this.

notice: "proper authorities" rather than "authorities". This indicates that there are some, with authority to handle snitches, that may not be considred "proper".

"this" indicates closeness; "that" indicates distance.


RIVERA: You’re — put all this stuff aside. If some associate of yours, some associate that had something to do with drugs and this is not about drugs but if these people are on the dark side of life, don’t you think that you should share that information? Share — tell us about — when you told Marcus and Chad that you were 75 percent sure and you had your gun ready and your — and you had your gun ready and you were gonna go get em, didn’t you say that? Isn’t that a fact, Ron?

Geraldo asks a very long question; one that Ronald nor many others would be able to follow; but conludes with asking if all the details he has laid out is a fact. Notice that Geraldo has now given us additional information about what Ronald was allege to have said to "Marcus and Chad"; not only that he was 75% sure of who took Haleigh, but that Ronald had planned to get his gun to go get those who took Haleigh.

CUMMINGS: No, it is not a fact.

Weak denial, as Ronald reflects back the wording of Geraldo. Geraldo is not conducting a solid interview, but in television interviews, it is often more important that the Interviewer be seen and heard more, as he is building a career, rather than gathering relevant information about the disappearance of Haleigh.

RIVERA: Why would they make that up? Why would they make that up?

CUMMINGS: I don’t know why they would make [OVERLAP] for you. But I — I am fixing [OVERLAP] to have the law called right here, right now because you’re making up things or they’re making up things and you’re getting into —


Ronald's response uses Geraldo's language (reflection) again but then adds in two seemingly unneccessary words: "for you". This may indicate that Ronald believes that Marcus and Chad have given this information because of who Geraldo is; a celebrity and not an investigator formally attached to the case.

then Ronald says that he is preparing to have the law called "right here" and "right now" because "you" Geraldo, is making things up, which would indicate that Ronald does not believe that Marcus and Chad would tell Geraldo these details, but then adds that "they're making up things". He does not specify which things are being made up. The drugs? The abuse of Haleigh? The certainty of who took Haleigh? The domestic violence against Crystal?


RIVERA: I am — I am relating to you what they are saying.

CUMMINGS: [OVERLAP] My face, man.

Ronald is now escalated and demands respect from Geraldo. The demand for respect in this situation is what often leads to violence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You need to back off, man. That’s my son.

A man steps forward and tells Geraldo what he "needs" to do, and identifies himself, after this threat, as Ronald's father.

RIVERA: Alright. Well I’m sorry — I am sorry for what has happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, you’re not sorry. [OVERLAPPED CONVERSATION]

A woman does not believe that Geraldo is sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You need to go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are — [OVERLAPPED CONVERSATION] Listen. You wanna come up here and make [OVERLAP] allegations. Why don’t you go back to —

RIVERA: These are not my allegations, man. These are not my allegations. You have to understand that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: [OVERLAP] Okay. [OVERLAP] All we care about —

RIVERA: You have to understand this is not my allegation. Don’t touch him, don’t touch him, please. We’re leaving. Come on, let’s go. Let’s go.

CUMMINGS: [OVERLAP]" I wanted you to see that all this is about is my daughter. I love you, baby. [OVERLAP] If you are out there, I want you to know that I love you and I will find you, baby. I love you. And two, whoever — whoever has you, please bring my daughter home to me. I love my daughter. I love you, baby. I will find you."


Ronald said that he wanted Geraldo to know that "this" (this means close; that means far away; this that has been about drugs and domestic violence and child abuse; the subjects asked by Geraldo) is about Haleigh; except Ronald does not use her name.

"If you are out there..," Doesn't Ronald believe that she has been taken? Why the question? A parent who's child is kidnapped does not question whether or not the child is alive. Protective instincts put them firmly in denial. When Christ raised Jairus's daughter, we are told that the parents were stunned. He jolted them out of their denial by directing them to feed the little girl.

"whoever, whoever has you..." The subject of who took Haleigh triggers the repeat; this shows an increase in sensitivity. He repeats his love for her. He calls her "baby" which is a term of endearment, showing affection. Geraldo reacts to this speaking directly to Haleigh and interprets it as Haleigh being alive, and asks:

RIVERA: "You believe she’s alive then?"

CUMMINGS: I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her. [SILENCE]

This is a powerful indication that Ronald Cummins knows that Haleigh is deceased and that when she is found, she will be seen as she is: dead. While she is not found, he is going to believe that she is alive but when they find her, he will then no longer believe that she is alive.

This form of statement is common in cases where it is known that the missing person is dead. OJ Simpson was going to search for Nicole's killer. How long? For the rest of his life. Why did he think it would take that long? John Ramsey and others used similar language.

When someone says that they will search for the rest of their lives, they are likely telling the truth. They likely hope the killer is not found soon; and for good reason, so the search must go on for as long as they are alive.

Ronald did not take the time to think about his words. He just spoke them. In less than a microsecond, the brain tells the tongue what to say, using words and tenses; many instilled within us from a very early age.

It is not a slip, nor a mistake.

In statement analysis, we believe what someone tells us unless we find indicators of deception.

Ronald has told us that he will go on believing that Haleigh is alive but only until they find her.

This is a strong indication that he knows she is deceased.









This represents the opinion of the author only and not that of any organization. The comments posted by users are the expressed opinions of the authors only. All are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. No license is granted to the user of this material except for the user's personal or internal use and, in such case, only one copy may be printed, nor shall user use any material for commercial purposes or in any fashion that may infringe upon personal interests in the material. This is not a legal transcript for purposes of litigation.
Posted by Seamus O Riley at 5:45 PM


http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/05/ronald-cummings-domestic-violence.html

[groovy135]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-05-13/story/haleighs-father-negotiating-15-year-sentence-drug-case


Haleigh's father negotiating for 15-year sentence in drug case

Ronald Cummings would testify at upcoming trials of codefendants
Posted: May 13, 2010 - 10:48am

By Dana Treen

In exchange for testimony at possible trials of his former wife and her brother, Ronald Cummings is negotiating for a 15-year sentence on drug-trafficking charges, his attorney said this morning.

Folowing a a pretrial hearing in Putnam County where the father of missing Haleigh Cummings was given a July 19 trial date, his attorney said he and Cummings hope to have the deal within two weeks or possibly sooner.

An attempt stalled Wednesday to make a deal with the state, said Terry Shoemaker, who is representing Cummings. He said Cummings will agree to testify at trials of Misty Croslin, who was briefly married to Cummings, and her brother, Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr.

The sentencing range would likely be a 15-year minimum mandatory with a possible 30-year maximum, Shoemaker said. As part of the deal, the two most serious trafficing charges against Cummings would be dropped and the senternce would be for the three less serious charges, which are evaluated by the weight of the drugs involved.

All three were among five people caught in a drug-trafficking sting that ended in January.

Shoemaker said negotiations are not finished but part of the expected deal would mean Cummings would not be sentenced until after the Croslins are tried if those cases go to a jury.

Croslin Jr. is scheduled for court this afternoon for a pretrial conference.

At his pretrial conference, he could offer to accept a plea agreement if one has been worked out with prosecutors. Otherwise, the judge will assign a trial date and a final date the court will accept a negotiated deal.

Misty Croslin is scheduled for court in June.

She was at home in Satsuma with Haleigh Cummings the night the 5-year-old disappeared in February 2009. Haleigh has not been found and the sheriff just recently conceded the case is being considered a homicide.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-05-13/story/haleighs-father-negotiating-15-year-sentence-drug-case

[groovy135]

Lawyer: Plea deal likely in Cummings drug case

By Cindy Swirko
Staff writer

Published: Thursday, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 a.m.

PALATKA - Ronald Cummings, the father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings, is set to stand trial on drug-trafficking charges on July 19, but his lawyer said Cummings will likely agree to a plea deal before then.

Speaking after a hearing before Circuit Judge Terry LaRue in Palatka Thursday morning, attorney Terry Shoemaker said Cummings, 26, will likely agree to plead to three of five charges. Each of those three charges carries a minimum mandatory prison sentence of 15 years.

Two of the five charges - involving trafficking in larger amounts of prescription drugs - carry a minimum sentence of 25 years. Shoemaker said the tentative deal in the works involves dropping those two, more severe charges. The plea deal might be completed by July 1, he said. Cummings would agree to testify against his co-defendants and would be sentenced after those case went to trial.

"Everyone in the world has seen the [undercover] videos," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of hard. It's a great case for the state."

His client is "hanging in there," Shoemaker said. "He wishes he could do better, but you work with the hand that you're dealt."

Among the four co-defendants are his ex-wife Misty Croslin, the last person known to have seen 5-year-old Haleigh in February 2009; his cousin Hope Sykes; Croslin's brother Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr.; and her friend Donna Brock.

Sykes was sentenced to 15 years in prison last month for one count of trafficking in prescription drugs. Tommy Croslin was scheduled to appear in court for a hearing at 1:30 p.m. Thursday.

Cummings' testimony would relate only to the drug-trafficking case, Shoemaker said, and would not involve his missing child, who authorities now presume is dead.

The lawyer added that investigators told Cummings some time ago that, because Misty Croslin was comfortable living with him, she was more likely to talk about what had happened to Haleigh if they were not together.

"When this first happened, law enforcement always said that Misty feels comfortable about you so she's not going to talk," Shoemaker said, described what Cummings had told him. "They would say, Well, if you weren't married to her, then she would talk.

"There has always been kind of a 'get her out of her element and she may talk more,'" the lawyer added. "I guess getting her in jail is a way of getting her out of her comfort zone."

But Shoemaker added that police were not urging Cummings to divorce Croslin. They did divorce just months after getting married.


http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100513/ARTICLES/100519729?Title=Lawyer-Plea-deal-likely-in-Cummings-drug-case

[groovy135]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155977&catid=3


Tommy Croslin Jail Phone Call Fingers Joe Overstreet in Disappearance of Haleigh Cummings

ST. JOHNS COUNTY, Fla. -- In a recently released jail recording, Tommy Croslin told his grandmother who he thinks is responsible for the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

Misty Croslin, Tommy Croslin's sister and then-girlfriend of Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, put 5-year-old Haleigh to bed in February 2009. Haleigh hasn't been seen since.

Misty Croslin and Cummings married, then divorced, and both, along with Tommy Croslin, have been arrested on drug charges.

Tommy Croslin is being held in St. Johns County. In mid-April, the search for Haleigh intensified for three days based on a tip from him.

Investigators searched an area around a public boat ramp south of Satsuma, the town where Ronald Cummings lived and where Haleigh was last seen.

On April 11, he spoke to his grandmother, Flora Hollars, from jail, and that call has now been released.

HEAR THE ENTIRE PHONE CALL IN THE VIDEO ON THE RIGHT

In it, he tells Hollars to get his wife on the phone, asking for his lawyer.

"I need her to get my lawyer down here, it's important," Croslin said.

"I have to do something that I should have done a long time ago...just scared, don't want no one to hurt my kids." He has three children.

"Do you know, Tommy?" Hollars asked him.

"All I know is he's got to pay; he can't get to none of us so it don't matter," Croslin replied.

"It ain't me. No, it's not me, she (his wife, Lindsey) should know that...she's already heard the story," he continued.

"Is it the story that Misty said?" Hollars asked.

"Yeah, that's it."

"Joe?"

"Yep."

"Joe" is Joe Overstreet, a cousin who lives in Nashville, Tenn. As the investigation intensified at the boat ramp, investigators in Tennessee interviewed Overstreet, but did not arrest him.

"Okay, that's what I've been thinking all along," Hollars continued in the phone call. "I've said it all along."

"But he can't get to me, he can't get to them, so they'll take care of it," Croslin said.

Hollars offered her version of the story in the recording. "I was told that Ron come home, and Haleigh had took one, found one of his pills, and took it and was dead, and Ron called you to get you to come up there and help Misty..."

"That's bull****," Croslin interrupted.

"...Clean the house up while he disposed of Haleigh," Hollars finished.

"That's bull****," Croslin repeated.

"Okay, well I'm glad you're telling me the truth, baby, because I've been wanting to hear it for a long time, but I knowed it. I knowed it in my heart, all this time I've knowed it."

Croslin then told her that "Joe" is "crazy" and tried to kill them all, repeating frequently his concern for his children.

Croslin's attorney, James Werter, said in a statement today that Croslin is not culpable in the disappearance of Haleigh, and has been cooperating since April 11 despite threats to his family.

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124532


Haleigh Cummings Update – Father Ronald Cummings To Take Plea Deal?

Posted on May 13th, 2010
by Simon Barrett in crime


The father of missing Florida girl Haleigh Cummings was in court this morning, he faces a July 19 trial date for his participation in the prescription drug sting that rounded up not just him but also Misty Croslin, Tommy Croslin, Hope Sykes, and the ex Equusearch member Donna Brock.

After the hearing Cummings attorney Terry Shoemaker explained that the trial was unlikely to proceed. His client will most probably accept a plea deal agreeing to plead guilty on three of the five charges. The three charge each carry a minimum sentence of 15 years. Wow, some plea deal, 45 years behind bars! The two charges being dropped each carry a minimum of 25 years, so I guess he is getting a bargain.

Part of the plea deal apparently includes Ronald Cummings agreeing to testify against his co-defendants.

One thing is very clear, the PCSO are playing some very serious hardball with this group. Tommy Croslin is slated to be in court at 1:30pm eastern today, it will be interesting to see how that hearing transpires. For some time he has been saying that the worst case scenario is a three year sentence. I wonder if he might want to rethink that?

Misty Croslin faces the most charges and is facing a three digit year sentence. I would imagine that she is quaking in her boots right about now.

None of this is helping find Haleigh Cummings, but it is clear that the PCSO are determined to get some justice one way or another.

Simon Barrett

[mystery]

In exchange for testimony at possible trials of his former wife and her brother, Ronald Cummings is negotiating for a 15-year sentence on drug-trafficking charges, his attorney said this morning.

Following a a pretrial hearing in Putnam County where the father of missing Haleigh Cummings was given a July 19 trial date, his attorney said he and Cummings hope to have the deal within two weeks or possibly within a week.

An attempt stalled Wednesday to make a deal with the state, said Terry Shoemaker, who is representing Cummings. He said Cummings will agree to testify at trials of Misty Croslin, who was briefly married to Cummings, and her brother, Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr.

The sentencing range would likely be a 15-year minimum mandatory with a possible 30-year maximum, Shoemaker said. As part of the deal, the two most serious trafficking charges against Cummings would be dropped and the sentence would be for the three less serious charges, which are evaluated by the weight of the drugs involved.

Shoemaker said surveillance evidence of eight undercover drug deals including five with Cummings was a significant factor.

"It's a great case for the state," he said.

He said Cummings, 26, was a realistic person.

"You can only work with the hand you are dealt," he said.

Cummings and the two Croslins were among five people caught in a drug-trafficking sting that ended in January.

Shoemaker said negotiations are not finished but part of the expected deal would mean Cummings would not be sentenced until after the Croslins are tried if those cases go to a jury.

Croslin Jr., 23, is scheduled for court this afternoon for a pretrial conference.

At his pretrial conference, he could offer to accept a plea agreement if one has been worked out with prosecutors. Otherwise, the judge will assign a trial date and a final date the court will accept a negotiated deal.

Misty Croslin, 18, is scheduled for court in June.

She was at home in Satsuma with Haleigh Cummings the night the 5-year-old disappeared in February 2009. Haleigh has not been found and the sheriff just recently conceded the case is being considered a homicide.

Shoemaker said the disappaearance of Haleigh, while not related to the trafficking case, made resolving the drug case more difficult.

"It's made it harder for all of us to have negotiations," he said.

In another development in the case, the attorney for Misty's brother released a copy of Croslin Jr.’s April 11 phone call with his grandmother, Flora Hollars.

Attorney James Werter said it confirms what he had said before that
Croslin Jr. did not discuss Haleigh's matter with the details that Hollars told media.

Hollars said both Misty and Tommy Croslin called that Sunday saying their cousin Joe Overstreet came to the mobile home on Green Lane where Misty was with the children. The two were looking to steal a machine gun, but it wasn't there, the grandmother said she was told.

Hollars said they told her Overstreet came back and snatched Haleigh after putting a knife to Misty's throat, threatening to kill her and her family if they said anything.

In the roughly 9-minute recording released today, Croslin Jr. gave no specific details like that. He starts off telling his grandmother to get his lawyer to him, that he has to do something that should have been done already. He says he's scared and that "He's got to pay for it."

He doesn't mention Haleigh or Overstreet's names. But he does respond yes to Hollars' question is it the story Misty's saying about "Joe."

Croslin Jr. says he doesn't want him getting to his kids and tells his grandmother not to say anything. She responds she'll say nothing.

Overstreet, 20, who lives in Tennessee, was questioned back when Haleigh went missing and again in light of recent information. He has not been charged.

Werter said the recording demonstrates how Croslin Jr. came forward voluntarily to law enforcement despite threats toward him and his family.

The recording, however, could not be examined in full. Werter said the copy was redacted to remove phone numbers and discussions unrelated to Haleigh's case.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-05-13/story/haleighs-father-negotiating-15-year-sentence-drug-case

[mystery]

A Putnam County judge has set a tentative trial date of July 19 for Ronald Cummings on his drug trafficking charges.

Cummings' lawyer said Thursday he expects a plea deal to be reached before then.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/23541441/detail.html

[groovy135]

http://www.artharris.com/


From Art Harris, The Bald Truth, (c) www.artharris.com, all rights reserved

Tommy Croslin attorney James S. Werter says the long-awaited release of the taped phone call between his client and his grandmother, Flora Hollars, does not support the graphic details she claims Tommy revealed about what happened to missing Haleigh Cummings.

We’re posting the audio he sent out today of that famous St. John’s County, Florida jailhouse call, which does indeed show Tommy Croslin called Hollars collect and claimed his cousin, Joe Overstreet, was behind the missing five year old’s demise–not him or sister, Misty Croslin.

As for the details Werter says undermines Hollars credibility, we’ll post his release and the tape and let our readers decide. Let us know what you think–and watch us on the Jane Velez Mitchell Show on HLN Thurs., May 13, and Nancy Grace Friday night, May 14.
—————————————
From James Werter:

“…Tommy Croslin’s telephone conversation with his grandmother, Flora Hollars, on April 11, 2010…shows that he did not discuss the Haleigh Cummings matter with her as she describes. It should be listened to and examined carefully for accurate reporting and addresses certain questions posed by the media.

The tape demonstrates how Tommy decided to come forth voluntarily to law
enforcement to provide information regarding the evening of February 9, 2009, despite threats made towards Tommy and his wife and three children. It indicates to the public and law enforcement the level of credibility of Tommy’s information.

Tommy has been cooperating with law enforcement since April 11, 2010. We have met
with Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and FDLE agents twice for extended periods to review the activities of the evening and early morning of February 9 -10, 2010.

It is this attorney’s position that Tommy Croslin, Jr, has cooperated fully despite his fear
for his family. Tommy has no culpability in this crime and wishes justice for Haleigh; again, demonstrated in the aforementioned phone conversation.

Copies of the aforementioned recording may be obtained by submission of email
addresses to this office. Be advised that the recording has been redacted to remove telephone numbers and discussions regarding issues unrelated to the Haleigh Cummings case.

[sintax]

This is the strangest case! I really thought that there was going to be some type of a resolution when Granny Flo came onto the scene! Now I'm back to wondering if we are ever going to know what happened to Haleigh.........

[mystery]

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Jail Tapes Released in Haleigh Cummings Case; More Offshore Drilling Projects OKed Despite Spill

Aired May 13, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight shocking new twists and turns in the Haleigh Cummings case. We now have brand-new highly emotional tapes between Tommy Croslin and Grandma Flo. Tommy breaks down, telling his grandma he knows what happened to little Haleigh and he`s going to tell police. So why do we still not know what happened to this beautiful little girl?

And the war on women raging out of control. A beautiful college student from UCLA vanishes while jogging in sunny Southern California. It`s happened again. Where is Nancy Salas? Tonight, ISSUES joins the desperate search.

Plus, a horrifying murder too graphic for TV. Cops say this handsome little 4-year-old boy was tortured to death by his step-dad, and his mom helped cover it up. His little body was found mutilated and dumped. Tonight, did his mother fight hard for visitation rights just before the murder?

ISSUES starts now.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, mind-blowing jailhouse audiotapes. Tommy Croslin completely breaks down, admitting he knows what happened to missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TOMMY CROSLIN, BROTHER OF MISTY CROSLIN: I need her to get my lawyer down here. It`s very important.

FLORA HOLLARS, GRANDMOTHER OF MISTY AND TOMMY: What`s the number, baby, 904? Hey, Lindsay, I`ve got Tommy on the other line. What is it you want me to tell her?

T. CROSLIN: Tell her to get my lawyer down here. It`s very important. I`ve got to do something. It needs to be done. It should have been done already.

HOLLARS: Get the lawyer down there. It`s very important. Do what, baby?

T. CROSLIN: Tell her I got to do something.

HOLLARS: Do something.

T. CROSLIN: Should have been done already.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have the entire frantic phone call from jail that sparked that massive, desperate search for little Haleigh`s body in the murky waters of the St. John`s River, the very phone call that cracked this case and caused investigators to say Haleigh was murdered.

Misty Croslin was babysitting the little girl on the very night she vanished. More than a year passed with absolutely no answers from her, until Misty`s brother, Tommy, apparently couldn`t take it anymore. Tommy is behind bars on drug charges. He made this unbelievable collect call to his grandmother, Flo Hollars, on April 11. Tommy finally broke down and told his grandma that his cousin, Joe Overstreet, killed Haleigh. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOLLARS: Is it the story that Misty`s saying?

T. CROSLIN: Yes, but it -- yes, that`s it.

HOLLARS: Joe?

T. CROSLIN: Yes.

HOLLARS: OK. That`s what I`ve been thinking all along.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: After that call, Grandma Flo appeared here on ISSUES. She told us -- you probably heard it, you were probably watching. Tommy and his Cousin Joe had tied Haleigh to a brick and thrown her in the river.

Tommy`s attorney released these tapes to prove that Tommy never said anything to incriminate himself to Flo. Tommy insists he had nothing to do with little Haleigh`s murder or the cover-up. Tommy says he`s the good guy here.

We have tons of mind-blowing revelations, straight from the mouth of Tommy Croslin.

Straight out to my outstanding expert panel. They`ve been covering this since day one. Criminal defense attorney Mark Eiglarsh. Crime blogger Levi Page, who joins us on Skype. How you doing there, Levi? Clinical psychologist Dr. Gail Saltz. And investigative journalist Art Harris. We`re going to start with the attorney on this one, because there`s so many legal angles.

Mark, what are the significance of these tapes?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, they could be huge. They could be used, first of all, by law enforcement to get people talking. That`s what we want. We want to find out what happened.

Now what`s great is that they all have these charges pending against them. In Florida, minimum mandatory, draconian -- what I believe is draconian -- minimum mandatory prison sentences. So their lawyers are telling them, "Look, there`s overwhelming evidence. Your only way out of this is to cooperate. Maybe they`ll reduce, you know, what kind of time you`re looking at." And thank God it looks like the house of cards are crumbling, and people are talking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I have to say that Tommy is pointing the finger at Joe Overstreet, the cousin from Tennessee, but Cousin Joe has said repeatedly through his attorney that he`s been interviewed by the cops, and he did absolutely nothing wrong. So each is pointing the finger at the other.

Now let`s get back to Tommy and this fascinating conversation, a collect call from behind bars, that Tommy made to Grandma Flo. Tommy insists he had nothing to do with Haleigh`s death and that he wanted his grandmother to reassure his wife that he was not involved. Listen to this one.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOLLARS: Do you know, Tommy?

T. CROSLIN: What`s that?

HOLLARS: Do you know?

T. CROSLIN: All I know is he`s got to pay. He can`t get to none of us so it don`t matter.

HOLLARS: He`s got to pay and he can`t get to none of ya`ll so it don`t matter. But get his lawyer there.

T. CROSLIN: Tell her I love her. Tell her to come see me when she can.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Investigative journalist Art Harris, if Tommy wasn`t involved, how the heck does he know what happened to little Haleigh?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Remember, Tommy is the one who took authorities, through his attorney and private investigator, Steve Brown, to the river to show him -- show them where he says Joe dumped the body. Now, how would he know unless Joe took him down there? That is the story that has come out. But he has not given any details about that in this call to Flo Hollars.

At the same time, I can tell you my sources say that Misty is claiming that Tommy took her to the river to show her where he and Joe dumped the body. Tommy denies that, says it`s a lie, never happened. But, remember, we`ve seen Misty go down to the dock, led there by police, to try to remember and identify the dock as the one where she says Tommy took her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You need a scorecard at home to keep track of this. It`s a bunch of cousins pointing the finger at each other.

All right. Holly, Illinois, your question or thought, ma`am?

CALLER: Thanks for taking my call, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thanks.

CALLER: One of the questions I have is I`ve never missed any of the reports, and there`s a question on the time line. Misty claims she woke up to go to the bathroom, and that`s when she discovered Haleigh missing. But the 911 call was not made until Ronald either was coming up the walk or walked inside the home. The question I have is what time elapsed? What time precisely did Misty wake up and find Haleigh missing to the time that Ronald came home and the 911 call was made?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Excellent question. We`re going to throw it back to Art Harris, who has studied this case.

HARRIS: I can tell you that officially I believe the call came in at 3:26. But Misty had made calls to her mother and to others in the family before that. Then Ron pulls up.

I`ve got, on ArtHarris.com, I`m going to release a conversation and interview that I had with Misty`s mother months ago, where she described the call from Misty. But that is an excellent question. A lot of the conflicts in Misty`s story. And as we know, Misty has flunked a number of polygraphs, including one, a secret police polygraph I reported on ArtHarris.com on February 26, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And another problem is that Tommy has also had a little run-in with the truth you might say because, remember, Tommy initially said that he went by the trailer the night that Haleigh disappeared at around 10 p.m. and knocked on the door, and nobody was home.

HARRIS: That`s right, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now we`re hearing a totally different story.

HARRIS: That`s right, Jane. I can tell you that I`m reporting that Tommy has now claimed he lied to police about the time he went to the trailer. He says he never went at 10 p.m. Of course, that was the story he says he now told to get out of jail to have his bond lowered on a gun theft charge.

EIGLARSH: Jane, this is the problem.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, go ahead, Mark.

EIGLARSH: That`s the problem with this case. If they ever want to flip, meaning have any of these people testify on behalf of the state, their credibility, every single one of these people from "The Jerry Springer Show" all, their credibility is shot. So unless they have forensic evidence, if one`s pointing the finger at the other, they`re all pointing back and forth. What kind of case do you have? That`s not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that dove tails with word that we`re hearing that Ron Cummings, Haleigh`s father, who`s also in jail on drug charges, might be about to cop a plea on the drug case, and there`s a possibility that he could testify against Misty in the drug case anyway if he does that. So that`s a shocker.

But what -- what weight does any of these people have, given that so many of their stories conflict? Levi Page, you`ve been studying this. What do you make of these jailhouse recordings?

LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER: Well, you know, what`s interesting is that, if you`re innocent, you only tell one story. You only tell the truth. If you`re not guilty, there`s no reason for you to tell all the completely bull crap stories and convolute the truth. So the reason they`re lying is because they`re involved.

And regarding this possibility plea deal with Ronald Cummings, they don`t need to cop a plea deal with Ronald Cummings. They got him on video. I don`t know why his attorney think that he`s going to be successful in getting, you know, a 15- to 30-year plea deal with Ronald Cummings when they have him on video popping a pill in his mouth in the back seat.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Wow. We are just getting started, everyone. Stay right where you are. More on this jailhouse bombshell phone recording. Will we ever find out what happened to beautiful little Haleigh?

Plus, a mystery in Southern California. A woman vanishes going for a jog. Was she abducted or did she run off? Fascinating new developments as we find out that she did not attend university, as she claimed to her parents.

But first, brand-new insight into the Haleigh Cummings case. Tommy tells Grandma he is going to spill the beans. So why don`t we know where Haleigh is already?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOLLARS: He was sort of crying when he started talking to me. He says, "Nanny, I don`t think I can hold this any longer." And that`s when I -- I mean, I cut down on him, and I cut down on him hard, and that`s when he started running his mouth.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

T. CROSLIN: Tell her I`ve got to do something I should have done awhile ago.

HOLLARS: Do what, baby?

T. CROSLIN: Tell her I have to do something that I should have done a long time ago.

HOLLARS: Said he`s got to do something that he should have done a long time ago, and I don`t want to hear the answer to it because I already know it.

T. CROSLIN: I`m just, just scared. I don`t want no one to hurt my kids.

HOLLARS: I know it, I know it. Oh, my God.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The shocking emotional jailhouse phone call that sparked a massive underwater search for the body of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Haleigh vanished in the dead of night more than a year ago. Tonight, we have audiotapes of Misty`s brother, Tommy Croslin, breaking down in prison talking to his Grandma Flo, asking for his lawyer so he can talk to investigators and, quote, "do something that should have been done a long time ago," end quote.

Everybody saying -- everybody in his family is lying. So, Dr. Gail Saltz, psychologist, does lying run in families sometimes?

DR. GAIL SALTZ, PSYCHOLOGIST: Actually it really can. In fact, there`s probably some genetic hard wiring in the form of sociopathy or anti-social personality disorder, meaning you do bad things and it doesn`t really bother you; you really don`t care.

In addition to that, kids model their parents. So in the family, there`s already lying, you know, and bad behavior. The kids are simply going to model that. They`re all reinforcing each other.

And yes, this is one sociopathic family. I mean, they`re in all kinds of trouble. They`re lying to everybody. And, you know, it`s hard to know what this tape means. It could mean, you know -- it could mean just about anything. But probably mostly means he`s trying to save his skin in some way.

The only thing I would say is, if he`s actually worried about his own children, which I give a minimal possibility to, then he could be concerned enough to want to out somebody.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or to make up a story about somebody...

SALTZ: It depends, absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s a liar.

All right, if Tommy knew what happened, what took him so long to tell the cops? He tells his Grandma Flo he was scared of his Cousin Joe. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

T. CROSLIN: He`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) crazy.

HOLLARS: Yes.

T. CROSLIN: He tried to kill all of us. Don`t be telling them until they get his (EXPLETIVE DELETED), because they`re going to get his (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

HOLLARS: OK.

T. CROSLIN: We`ve got people doing that. I don`t want him getting my kids.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He begged Flo, please don`t tell anybody about this conversation, because he feared for safety of his children. But Flo immediately did TV interviews like this one. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOLLARS: I believe in one, what Misty told me, that they tied her up in a rope and dropped her in the river. I just don`t know whether they raped her or not. But I sort of believe that they did. I just hope and pray that the child was already dead before she hit that water.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Tommy says he feels threatened by Joe. Joe insists he`s innocent and being set up by his cousins, who he calls pathological liars. Now, Joe does not have a criminal record of violence.

So I don`t understand -- anybody want to take a stab at this one, so to speak? How do you explain them being so scared of Joe, if Joe really doesn`t have this track record of extreme violence?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who wants to go?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go, go, go. Mark.

EIGLARSH: OK, first of all, I don`t think someone needs a track record to be violent. We see people who -- and I`ve defended people who literally have had, you know, led exemplary lives and then did something outrageous.

Again, you mix in the drug addiction, which is something you can talk about, doesn`t necessarily make you more violent, but does make you more likely to lie; does make you do some very desperate, horrific things. And that`s probably what`s going on here. They were all apparently using and in the throes of addiction.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely.

SALTZ: I would completely concur. I would say, first of all, there are a lot of people who never get caught by law enforcement doing something violent. But they do plenty of violent things or allude to or speak about doing violent things to their family in private and don`t get caught.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Patricia in Massachusetts, your question or thought, ma`am.

CALLER: Hi. My question is, was the brick outside of the door ever checked for fingerprints?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, good one. Let`s take that over to Art Harris.

HARRIS: Yes, it was. And you cannot get finger prints off this kind of a concrete block, Jane. There were several concrete blocks. And I`ve seen in photographs around the trailer, and this one was taken and has been analyzed. We haven`t seen the results. But that`s what experts tell me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Art, you have breaking news just in. You told me a second ago.

HARRIS: Jane, I can tell you this is taking a toll on the family and that Tommy Croslin`s wife, Lindsay, has filed for divorce. This is an emotional bombshell to Tommy, who adores his wife and their three children. And this could pull the rug right out from under him, and he is now at his most vulnerable. He`s been begging his wife not to leave him. She`s promised to stand by him.

I spoke with her several weeks ago, Jane, and she was hanging in with him. And I told her, I said, "Have you heard about the polygraph?"

She said, "Well, what do you mean?"

I said, "Well, call his lawyer." I didn`t want to tell her myself that I`d learned he flunked it. She called the lawyer. She learned he had flunked his own polygraph. And it has unraveled from there. I`m told she feels very betrayed, Jane. This is someone she believed in.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But wait a second. The polygraph he flunked was the one before he supposedly told the real story, and that`s why he was actually inspired to tell the real story, because Grandma Flo said, "Hey, I hear you flunked the polygraph."

And then he started crying and said, "Yes, I did."

And she said, basically, "Tell me the real story." And then he told her this story about Cousin Joe did it, right?

HARRIS: I broke the story on ArtHarris.com that FBI, former FBI polygraph operator Ron Demeer (ph) out of Jacksonville got him almost to confess to at least knowing a lot more than he`d said before. And that`s when he was confronted with the conflicts and gave them information that led to the police search of the river.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Levi Page, your thoughts on all of this and the divorce? Now this guy, his wife`s leaving him.

PAGE: She`s divorcing him because she knows that he`s lying and that he could possibly be involved in a conspiracy to murder a child. I`d say that`s a good move on her part, not to drag the kid to that jailhouse to be around this kind of man. Who can`t get his story straight and lies through his teeth...

EIGLARSH: Let me say something.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ten seconds, Mark.

EIGLARSH: Jane, again, I don`t know whether Tommy`s guilty or not, but knowing something doesn`t make you guilty. You don`t have to stop it, even. Just -- if he didn`t play any role, any active role, then he`s not guilty of anything. Knowing something doesn`t make it so.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got to leave it right there. You know we`re coming back to this subject many, many times. Fabulous panel, thank you so much
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1005/13/ijvm.01.html

transcript from tonights show

[groovy135]

Lawyer: Tommy Croslin tipped police to river search
Croslin says his cousin Joseph Overstreet is involved in Haleigh's disappearance.
Published: Friday, May 14, 2010 at 6:01 a.m.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100514/ARTICLES/5141006/1002
3 pages

[Echo]

I don't know if what crazy ears is saying is true but I always believed and have said many times that I thought Little Haleigh swallowed one of those pills and died.

[groovy135]

http://www.wesh.com/news/23550990/detail.html


Ronald Cummings Accepts Plea Deal For Drug Charges
Cummings Will Need To Testify Against Ex-Wife As Part Of Deal
POSTED: 6:05 am EDT May 14, 2010
UPDATED: 7:19 am EDT May 14, 2010
PALATKA, Fla. --
It looks as though Ronald Cummings will need to testify against his ex-wife Misty Croslin.

Cummings accepted a plea deal in exchange for his testimony.

He will serve 15 years on drug charges and will also need to testify against Misty Croslin's brother, Hank "Tommy" Croslin, regarding drug charges.

Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin were two of five people arrested and accused of selling Oxycodone and Hydrocodone to undercover police officers in January. Cummings, who was once married to Croslin, faces three counts of trafficking in prescription medications and is jailed on a $500,000 bond. Misty Croslin, 18, was charged with six counts of trafficking in prescription medications and is jailed on a $950,000 bond.

Hank Croslin Jr., Cummings' cousin, Hope Sykes, and Misty Croslin's friend, Donna Broch, were also arrested. They each face one count of trafficking in prescription medications.

Misty Croslin was the last known person to see Cummings' daughter, Haleigh, before she disappeared more than a year ago.

She maintains she had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

[groovy135]

From WS,


2010.05.14 Fields, Misty sticking to her story, not surprised with Ron & Tommy


Fields speaks out ~ no plea in the works for Misty? Misty sticking to her story, not surprized with Ronald & Tommy trying to cop a plea.

Quote:
Cummings seeks plea, Misty not surprized and has no new info for LE
If deal goes through, Cummings will testify against Misty Croslin and Hank Jr.
Posted: May 14, 2010
"Snip" http://staugustine.com/news/local-ne...ngs-seeks-plea

Ronald Cummings next court appearance set July 19, 2010.
Hank Jr. (Tommy) next court appearance set June 21, 2010.
Misty Croslin's next court appearance set June 8, 2010. 1:30PM

Hollars and Overstreet's attorney could not be reached Thursday afternoon for comment.

Misty faces eight counts of trafficking, including seven in Putnam County and one in St. Johns.

Misty Croslin, has already told detectives all she can, said her attorney, Robert Fields.

Fields said he has not negotiated with prosecutors but is not surprised that others have been making deals.

"Misty's position is she's told law enforcement what happened and it's their decision to act on the information," he said.

Fields said the drug charges create pressure on everyone to cooperate with detectives. After the arrests, investigators said they intended to use the opportunity to discuss HaLeigh's case.

"Any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that the cases are linked," Fields said.


Tommy Croslin's conversation April 11 with his grandmother, Flora Hollars: http://news.jacksonville.com/interac...tommyaudio.mp3


Misty has two court dates.

Putnam is on June 3, 2010.
St.Johns is on June 8, 2010 at 1:30PM.

[myra manes]

Lawyer: Tommy Croslin tipped police to river search
Croslin says his cousin Joseph Overstreet is involved in Haleigh's disappearance.
Published: Friday, May 14, 2010 at 6:01 a.m.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100514/ARTICLES/5141006/1002
3 pages

O K ..
So, when are these stupid fucking hillbillies going to be arrested?
This crap is old news, what's up with that?



* Not directed at you, groovy *

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124538#comments


-BNN

Meanwhile, Tommy Croslin seems to be on the verge of making his move. In what I can only view as idiocy or genius, lawyer Werter apparently is shouting from the roof tops that Tommy knows that Haleigh Cummings died in the trailer. He also apparently is implicating the well known Cousin Joe.

I won’t reveal my sources, but Werter has spent a good deal of time this week on a fishing expedition. He is worried witless that some ‘Tommy Tapes’ might suddenly turn up. If there are ‘Tommy Tapes’ I don’t have them, but I am fishing, now he has got me interested. My theory is that he is worried that if Tommy Tapes do exist they might just tank the current strategy of blaming Cousin Joe.

Why annoy so many people for something that we don’t know exists?








Update: I now do believe that there may be ‘Tommy Tapes’, they are not from the source you might expect. There is a seller, but they are not cheap.

[MadmamainNC]

And I cry BULLSHIT!

Boy wouldn't know the truth if it came in the form of a headless rat with a note attached.

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124544


Haleigh Cummings Update - More From The Trenches

Posted on May 15th, 2010
by Simon Barrett in Op-ed, crime


Having just watched the news equivalent of the WWF, I find myself wondering exactly what is going on?

Nancy Grace and her ‘team’ love to play with the facts. Thursday was a perfect example. The jail audio which First Coast News, The Sky 97.3, and Bloggernews had published before 11am Thursday irks me. This tape was not EXCLUSIVE to HLN. In fact HLN were late getting in the game! All of the rest of us had an 8 hour lead!

The recent Bombshell that Tommy Croslin’s wife had filed for divorce was older than an aged ham. This was an event that has historical significance rather than news.

But what is actually going on in the case?

The answer is that I do not know. I have no special access to the inner workings of the PCSO. My information comes through he same routes as every other news organization covering it. The email addresses and phone numbers have been published numerous times. This case is one that they wish to show transparency on, while maintaining a very professional attitude. When I contact them, they always reply. I try to ask questions that clarify the current situation. I do not ask for speculation, I know that they will not take that route.

What I am seeing is some disarray in the ranks of the Croslin’s and Cummings. The cops may not have them fingered completely for the Haleigh Cummings disappearance, but they all seem to have a part to play. The drug side of the equation seems to be paying dividends.

The 15 year sentence given to Hope Sykes, who by most is viewed as a mere ‘bit player’ set the stage.

If we are to believe certain news orgs, Ronald Cummings has now inked the deal on his plea bargain, apparently ratting out the rest of the miscreants. Ex wife, ex babysitter, ex who knows what Misty Croslin, her brother Tommy Croslin, and Equusearch former member Donna Brock. You don’t need a PhD in astrophysics to figure out that 15 years is better than 85. Of course, one wonders why he would ‘cop a plea’ if he was innocent?

Tommy Croslin is also enjoying the largess of the jail system. Many thought that he would be the first to crack. What does Tommy know? He seems to love to point the finger at the well known Cousin Joe. But, so what?

The police seem to be quite capable of rounding up the folks they want, I’d lay a bet that if they thought Cousin Joe was involved, they would have rounded him up on one charge or another. Drugs, Firearms, Stealing, oh the possibilities are endless.

Is it just me? How come we are hearing so little about the remaining members of the Famous Five (apologies to Enid Blyton readers).

What has happened to Donna Brock? Why no court appearances?

What do they have cooking for Misty Croslin?

If Hope Sykes and Ronald Cummings can score a 15 year all expenses paid vacation, how many years will Misty win?

I am sure that this will be a subject of discussion on Sundays program. The link is here.

Simon Barrett

[Rockin Ma]

Maybe Ron taking 15 years is rumor to scare misty and tommy into thinking their time could amount to close to that too.

[groovy135]

http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/05/something-is-going-down-in-putnam.html


"Something is going down in Putnam County!"

Posted by Lily on Sunday, May 16, 2010

http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/05/something-is-going-down-in-putnam.html

Misty Cummings update:

2010-05-11 26 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
2010-05-11 27 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET TIM CAMPBELL
2010-05-11 27 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:00 AM
2010-05-11 28 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: DET JAMES HEATH
2010-05-11 28 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:20 AM
2010-05-11 29 SUBPOENA FOR DEPOSITION ISSUED TO: LT. DON TINGLEY
2010-05-11 29 TO BE TAKEN 05/19/2010 AT 11:40 AM

[sintax]

The Tommy Tapes Continued.........

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/05/tommy-tapes-continued.html

[groovy135]

http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/05/ronald-cummings-never-goes-back-to.html


Ronald Cummings Never Goes Back to the Scene of the Crime!
Posted by Lily on Thursday, May 13, 2010


Excerpts from Ron taken from articles. Pay attention to his words.

"I came home this morning to find that I didn't have a child," Cummings. "Somebody stole my child."

"If you have my daughter and you're watching this, drop her off somewhere safe, call 911, call the local authorities," Cummings said. "If you've done something with her, tell us where she's at. I'm not out for revenge ... I want my daughter back."

Ronald says this is my heart and somebody stole my heart from me

"If I could say anything to the perpetrator or perpetrators -- please have a heart and let my daughter come home to her family. We do very much love her and miss her," Cummings said. "Baby, I love you and you'll always be with me. I pray for you every night and I believe you'll come home to me."

"Please call and give her to the police department so I can get my daughter back, please. All we want is my child, that's it. I just want my daughter back," said the child's father, Ronald Cummings. "Somebody has her. They have her hidden. I just want my daughter back, that's it. That's all I want."

Ron Cummings says:
"If I get on a horse, I can clear my head and feel as if I’m really out there searching for my daughter. ” Now why would he say “as if”?


`snipped

[MC30]

the more i see old videos of ron, the more i want to punch him in the junk.

[groovy135]

SM,


GER posted:

I, personally don't think that RC would/could testify against TC/MC in the drug case. I think it is possibly in the works to narc on others in the community that are using/supplying drugs...if that is the case, it would stand to reason that RC would/could testify in those that he narced on, in their trials in the future.
This scenario makes more sense to me as I can't wrap my head around the need for the DA to have RC witness against TC/MC when they've got plenty of video and an UC for these charges levied against RC.
Also would like to point out that RC has lived in Putnam County a lot longer than either MC/TC had...therefore it would make sense that he would be more in the 'know' as to who does what in the circle of drug abusers/dealers, etc.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5198293&postcount=17

[groovy135]

More on SM,

GER posted:

I know that I've heard RC's lawyer state that he's working with the state's attorney on a plea deal. I heard that. That's a fact. I never heard him say it was a plea deal based on RC's testimony on or about MC/TC or even HaLeigh. I have read much speculation...but that is all it is, to me.

Now, here is what I THINK the plea deal is all about;

RC is currently in jail and charged with trafficking in drugs. He's not been charged with anything else. The HaLeigh case is still being investigated, while LE has made a point of saying that they have SEVERAL PERSONS OF INTEREST in HaLeigh's case, they have named NO ONE.
My point is this... I firmly believe that his plea deal is going to be based on who RC can give up in the drug world...how many arrests can be made, streets of Putnam County cleaned up... We've seen plenty of arrests already, some right after RC's arrests, where the guy arrested was coming out of a pharmacy in Palatka with a full prescription of pills in hand and a RX pad from a doctor in his possession.
Just a couple of days ago, we had an arrest of a guy who was born in '45...could this be the 'vet' that RC implied he was getting some of the pills from? It's in an area that the UC and MC/RC were driving in, in the UC video...

So, folks, while I wish like heck that a plea deal could be worked out and it's about HaLeigh, I'm seriously doubting that it is, and that it's about DRUGS and taking some of them off of the streets of Putnam County...
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5197406&postcount=215

[groovy135]

http://www.centralmediaserver.com/WTEV/wtev2010/STJ02-34-20100411195112.wav

Need windows media player or something to play it - Unedited phone call between Tommy - Gramma Flora Hollars - Lindsy Croslin.

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124578
Haleigh Cummings – Will We Ever Know The Truth?
Posted on May 19th, 2010
by Jan Barrett

[groovy135]

A year since Haleigh vanished, Ronald and Misty lost their way long ago


This is an interesting article that covers the early years of Ron, Crystal and Misty.

Sorry if this has been posted before – I don’t remember seeing it if it was.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-07/story/a_year_since_haleigh_vanished_ronald_and_misty_los t_their_way_long_ago_1



I never read all of this before, very interesting, indeed.

[groovy135]

http://www.artharris.com/2010/05/20/exclusive-misty-croslin-body-language-talks/

new article from Art Harris: Exclusive: Misty Croslin Body Language Talks!

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124588


Posted on May 20th, 2010 by Simon Barrett in crimeRead 291 timesWe need someone in the St Augustine area of Florida to help us on Friday morning, there are a number of DVD’s being released concerning the Haleigh Cummings case. If you live in the St Augustine area, have high speed Internet, and the ability to pick up some discs at 9am Friday, please give Jan a shout Jannyo@gmail.com. You will also need $30 of hard cash on you, that we will reimburse you out of our own pockets, Jan and I make absolutely $zero from Blogger News. You will also have our gratitude, and of course a mention on Sundays program.

It is my guess that these 6 discs are recordings made at the time of the river search. They could be most revealing.

Our regular courier is not available, I am sure that CNN will have their folks out there at 9am, and there will be some ’sound bites’ tomorrow night. We prefer to publish the ‘whole meal deal’. We don’t go with ’sound bites’, we like to give everyone the whole story.

If you can help us, we would appreciate it.

Good Afternoon All,
We will have a total of 6 disks available tomorrow after 0900 regarding Cummings-Croslin recordings. There are 5 DVD’s and 1 CD. The cost is still $5.00 per copy and can be retrieved at our Courtesy Desk in the main lobby.

Contact Jan if you can help us in the quest to unravel the story of what happened to Haleigh Cummings.

Simon Barrett

[sintax]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124588


HOLY CRAP!!!!! Two document dumps!!!???!!! (one for Haleigh and one for Caylee) There goes my weekend!!!

:hello:

[groovy135]

Hi Sin!!!!:hello:

WS,


As of Unread Today, 12:13 PM

GER has the tapes and they will be uploaded as soon as possible!!!

GER ROCKS!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5208194&postcount=3

[sintax]

From WS

Hey Peeps. A little update here. GER has the tapes all uploaded to her computer. She is in the process of zipping the files which will then be emailed to Adnoid for upload. So a little more patience. The files are very large and it is taking in some cases over an hour to zip them. There are six files.

Order take-out for dinner, bathe the kidlets and get them tucked in early, and hopefully we can get some of them up later.
__________________

:cheers:

[sintax]

From Bloggernews.net

May 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

Hey guys. Uploads have started. You should be seeing something soon.

[sintax]

Dad To Misty: 'Tell Truth' About Haleigh
Hank Croslin Sr. Pleads With Misty Cummings In Jailhouse Calls

Time and time again in recordings of jailhouse visits released by the St. Johns County Sheriff's Office Friday, Hank Croslin Sr. pleads with his daughter Misty Cummings to tell the truth if she knows anything about missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

"The idea is that whatever you know, you need to tell," Croslin said.

"Daddy, I have," said Cummings, Haleigh's former stepmother. "It's not my fault they don't listen."

"If we could just find out what happened to Haleigh, man, everybody will be better off," Croslin said.

"People don't understand," a tearful Cummings said. "If I knew, I would tell. I don't know anything else. I told them everything I know."

http://www.news4jax.com/news/23636589/detail.html

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124588

in May 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pm

Update on Ron’s Court Docket.

2010-05-06 33 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
2010-05-06 34 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
2010-05-06 34 STATE’S MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
2010-05-06 34 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANT’S
2010-05-06 34 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
2010-05-07 35 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (FAX)(BOND HEARING)
2010-05-10 36 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING(FAX)(NEBBIA HEARING)
2010-05-10 37 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (ORIGINAL)(NEBBIA)
2010-05-10 38 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (ORIGINAL)(BOND)
2010-05-13 39 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
2010-05-13 39 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
2010-05-13 39 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 07/19/2010
2010-05-13 40 ORDER SETTING TRIAL DATE 07/19/2010 AND LAST CHANCE
2010-05-13 40 PLEA DAY 07/09/2010
2010-05-21 41 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-19-2010) IN JAIL
2010-05-21 42 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-19-2010)

[groovy135]

SM,


Tired of it
said,
in May 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

JB & Just One, I’m trying to figure out how people who live in the Texas desert seem to know more about Putnam County than the people who live there. I’ve watched people who have never set foot there tell people who call it home that they have no idea what they are talking about.

I’ve known Teresa Squires since I was a child. I remember when she married Lester. I remember when she moved to Atlanta and when she left her children with Annette and Kirby.

Rotten apples never change. She’s been what she is since she was old enough to shake her ass in exchange for whatever she wanted at the time. And it didn’t matter if the man she shook her ass for was her friends boyfriend, husband, brother, father, or son. And it still doesn’t matter. It’s all currency to her and she just wants what she wants.


http://www.bloggernews.net/124588

[groovy135]

SM,


Sillygirl said,in May 21st, 2010 at 5:44 pm Guys - The Audio CDs were uploaded. The Video files take about 5 hours each. They are huge. I am sure Simon and Jan is setting up the audios as we speak for you guys to hear. There are 20 of them. Some interesting stuff in them. Be sure to listen very carefully to every word being spoken.

[groovy135]

Haleigh Cummings Update - Phone Calls You Have Never Heard
Posted on May 21st, 2010
by Simon Barrett in All News, crime


I have no comments at this time. What I do have are a pile of audio tapes. They were the easiest to get online. The DVD’s will take some more time. We have another 5 DVD’s to deal with. Anyway, this is what we do have rendered. These calls are curious, and well worth listening to.

Haleigh Cummings tape one http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100412101649.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape two http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100412104454.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape three http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100412221752.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape four http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100413131059.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape five http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100413132911.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape six http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100413142132.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape seven http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100414125616.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape eight http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100414184014.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape nine http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100414190755.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape ten http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100415102051.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape eleven http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100415135013.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape twelve http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100416110647.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape thirteen http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100416142139.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape fourteen http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100417130003.wav

Haleigh Cummings tape fifteen http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/cd1/STJ02-34-20100417132935.wav

I can’t offer any real scrutiny about these calls, in fact I have not even have a chance to really listen to the calls.

Take them for what they are. This is the raw stuff. Tommy is told by his father that Lindsey told him the cops think that Tommy helped dispose of the body!

This is raw material. One has to wonder what else there is. Tommy claims to have seen Haleigh in the van that Joe was driving!

Simon and Jan Barrett


http://www.bloggernews.net/124590#comment-1638321

[MC30]

thanks groovy!

[groovy135]

SM,


Sillygirl said,in May 21st, 2010 at 8:36 pm There are actually 5 more tapes

[MC30]

just listening to #1. (tommy) hank jr is pissed as hell at his folks. i don't blame him. they come off as idoits.
and no love for gumma

[MC30]

#2 he needs to get a hold of lindsey for some reason. 'she ain't mad at him'. get a job mom and dad. mom and dad are full of shit. they want to be out of state. tommy tells them to get their life right...(wtf? huh?) hes a hustler man. don't give up. (i ain't got nothin to lose (hank sr). its just crazy man (hank sr) mom ain't gettin no 90 days man. you'll be alright.

wth?
damnit man. she'll be alright. she ain't called y'all yet?

now they are talking about casey anthony?
then other hln stuff? what? guy stabs sister over a piece of bolonga...we're just stupid, not fuckin stupid. she told me. you gotta get your shit right man. (tommy to hank sr). fuck that shit. fuck all that. id a killed fuckin joe(hank sr), thats nice man, i want my kids man. tell misty i love her.

[MC30]

humm..if misty had dropped the babies off at her parents? humm....:stupido3:

[MC30]

#3 don't be talking about nothin on the phone. what time is it? it 10:18 you need to talk to lindsey for me. my kids and my familly are important to me. where did tim go? talk to lindsey for me, she hung up on me. lawyer is lying. no need in search, needs gas money. bear the burden, i didn';t do nothing wrong. quit talking to lenny. tell her i love her, nobody better harass me and my husband. layla? a kid of someones? he misses her. 3 way call lindsey..ill try. went to voicemail. sucks for tom.
he wants to talk to her. wow, you can now tell they really started recording, you can hear it. wow. he had been riding all over the place and had his reasons for not coming forward, didn't want shit to happen to his kids. tell her to calm down. what about misty, any chance of her coming home? i don't doubt it,. i just can't talk about it now.

[MC30]

aint nobody supposed to know this shit now, nanny did it.

gumma?

[MC30]

maybe chelsey is the key?

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124593


Haleigh Cummings update – Misty Croslin & Hank Croslin Tape 1
Posted on May 22nd, 2010 by Simon Barrett in Society and Culture, crime

http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/dvd1/vts011.mp3
http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/dvd1/vts012.mp3

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124593


FINALLY MISTY's TAPES



Haleigh Cummings update – Misty Croslin & Hank Croslin Tape 1Posted on May 22nd, 2010 by Simon Barrett in Society and Culture, crimeRead 950 times.Yesterdays data dump from St Johns is a treasure trove, it will take days to wade through all of the information. I found the phone conversations from Tommy Croslin riveting listening.

We have just started on he video discs, and with 5 DVD’s that is a bit of a daunting task. We have rendered part of the first DVD which is a conversation between Misty Croslin and her father Hank Croslin. Using some things that are said by Hank I can date this tape as being made right before the St Johns river search. I base that conclusion on a snippet of conversation. To paraphrase the exchange:

I heard some stuff and its not good for you, your brother took a lie detector and passed

This tape is a glowing example of the family dynamics at work in this bizarre family. In the later part of the recording Hank lectures Misty about the evils of taking drugs!

He also points out that Tommy is pretty angry with Misty. Someone is telling lies, and the inference is that Tommy is pointing the finger at Misty. What is interesting is that Misty does not seem to offer any comeback.

I’ll also venture an observation, the PCSO’s red censors pen is not as evident as it has been in previous data dumps. The search for Haleigh Cummings is not covered by the Florida Sunshine laws, and yet much of this conversation concerns Haleigh.

If I was suspicious by nature I might suspect that this was an intentional move. Give the press some raw meat and let them go nuts. Another way to place pressure on the Croslin family. Of course that is just my opinion.

Misty & Hank part 1

Misty & Hank part 2

(note: these are large files so they will take a few minutes to download)




Misty is saying Ronald was rude just wanted to shoot up in his arm and they need to start looking at him. Woah this is something....


Haleigh going missing is "drama". RC was shooting up and trying to kill himself, per Misty

She is saying he didn't answer his phone that night and then when she was calling him. Then she opens the door and there he was.

Misty says she isn't 100 % sure it was Joe..people are getting to her head and putting things in her head.

She is really putting Ronald down..... Saying she believes that everything Amber and Cyrstal said was true. She feels bad for Crystal.





MC [crying]: I always get screwed over- all the time. And Ronald just used me.

HC: I tried to tell you that.

MC: He did- he did use me. He used me for a babysitter.. he used me for everything.. he wanted me- his family, too.. that's the only reason they wanted me around was to be their babysitter because they were tired of babysitting the kids- that's exactly why. And then when they didn't need me no more, when Haleigh come up missing and they didn't need me no more- that's when they wanted me to leave. Because they had everybody helping them- hand & foot. That's exactly why. And they wanna say 'since I come into their family, it's been drama', No. Ronald come into my life & it's been drama.

HC: Serious drama.

MC: They all got mad at me- and Ronald always f'in.. he was rude all the time cuz he'd shoot up in his arm and (I?) didnt want him to shoot up. And he tried to kill hisself (?) Well, they need to look at him a little hard, too. Why was he tryin to kill hisself, yanno? He did nothin but used me....
.. But nobody looks at.. he's (?) innocent- he dont do nothin wrong.

<crosstalk>

HC: There's tales that they said that Ronald snuck outta there. <Out of work>

MC: When I called him that night, home come he didn't answer the phone? I called his phone- he didn't answer the phone then as soon as I open the door- he's there??
And he says that he was a drug dealer & all this stuff, back in the day he says all this sh%#- well why'd that black guy say that them people had her? And he was gonna go back & get her but if he told- if Ronald told- then he was comin to kill him. There's all this sh%#, but they dont wanna look at nothin, they wanna look at me.

[groovy135]

SM,


More of the transcirption I "stoled" from ova there


Hank SR: there is tales that he snuck out of there that night.
Misty: how come he didn't answer the phone that night I called and called and he didn't answer the phone. and then as soon as I open the door he is there. he talks like he was a dealer back i the day, talk about a black guy coming back to get Rc,
Misty" I didn't do nothing, i don't know, in my mind people keep saying this person that person......then you start to believe it and then I keep wanting to believe that it was that person, but i don't know for 100%
hank: that is why u shouldn't talk without your lawyer.
Misty: there was some girls talking about it back in the cell and they were talking and saying oh that's it and it just got my head thinking and wanting to believe that was it, that is all it was. I don't know anything people put things in my head that's all. I don't know what to believe.
Hank: they will figure it out, its going to come out.
Misty: but it's not fair, I don't know anything, and I shouldn't be in here!
HankSR: the cops want to do their job.
Misty: they need to get off me move on, I been telling them, i don't have the answer, I am not the key.
HankSR: I know baby, I just have to know for sure....I didn't believe all that other mess, but you can't be pointing fingers at someone if you don't know for sure. you made it worse on yourself for playing that game. It is just getting you in more trouble
Misty: the cops just pressuring me and saying yes you do know. I keep telling them I don't know. I am not a trouble maker. I told them everything i know but they think I am only 99% there, that I am still holding back, but why would I be volunteering stuff and going against my lawyer!

Ronald put pressure on me , his family put pressure on me, I loved him but he used me. I do believe Crystal and Amber and everything they said about Rc.
Hank: Crystal is in rehab. Misty: good! I feel bad for her too.
Hank: Rc in love with his drugs and himself. Misty: that is exactly what he is Misty asking about Lyn....talk about visiting again on Thurs, talk about phone minutes. Please remember if you don't talk to me, i love you and I will always be here for you, it's just getting tough out here, for everyone. Never heard that Crystal was in rehab.....hmm, that's odd because she does post on her FB every now and then, but if she is KUDO's to her for trying to do better for herself and the kids

Hank talking about paying fines, wonders if jailtime might be better, but they won't let them, they have them trapped there. He has medical problems that need to be taken care of...he needs surgery on back hip and knee. He just don't care anymore, he don't see daylight, he has no desire to do anything, he just worries, if something don't give it's going to kill him. he wants everyone to come home. But if you don't know you don't know. But i want the truth, I want the world to know the truth......Oh.....tape over.

[groovy135]

Misty and Hank part 2

Hank: if you didn't see him there then don't say you saw him there.
Misty: they are the ones that's doing it though dad, I told them from Day 1 that I don't know nothing.
Hank: I believe you sissy
Misty: they don't know when to leave someone alone.
Hank: they think you know something....I don't know this is hard to believe this **** is going on. Everything we do or touch just turns on us. I tried to give my life to God, trying to keep myself clean and together but it's hard.
Misty: i feel good that I am not using anymore. I feel alot better,
Hank: i don't miss the pills but i sure could use them
Misty: i never took pills until Rc, all I did was smoke pot.

Lots of talk about drugs ( pills)and what they thought they could do.

Hank: I love you, call your mom. Misty: I will about 8 Hank: i wish you could jump through the phone and come home. Misty: I know me too. talking about personal visits, why can't she see Tommy, they should be able to visit each other. what r we going to talk about? But, I can't see my brother?
HankSR: he says he loves you but, why did you bring his name in it? That's what he says. Misty: just tell him I love him. (crying) I don't hate my brother HankSR: he knows, he knows it's the cops doing it, he just doesn't understand why you hate him so much to tell all this stuff on him,

More talk about getting busted for the drugs and people being out to get them. Hank SR say's they dont care about RC they don't care about no-one. Hank crying again. He seems very depressed. He said he doesn't know what to do anymore.
Misty quiet.


Nothing really about the case, Hank talking about how ashamed he is, doesn't like to go out the door. Misty said she wishes they were in there with her. talk about prison and Misty going to do boot camp instead of prison.Hank telling Misty she is on her own. They can't help her in life anymore.

Misty: what do you mean?
Hank SR: crying again, doesn't know how he is going to survive. Wish he took the kids and left when they were young but he was too ashamed to go home because of your ma. She has took a lot out of him. I still try to be there for her because i love her. I try to straighten up and let you guys see me doing goo, and I was hoping you guys would follow. RC was way too old for you. I tried to tell you and you ignored me. I wanted the best for you, i really did. i should have put a stop to Rc, but I swallowed my pride cause i wanted to know where you was at all the time.
Misty: I miss Austin.

HankSR: I am going to see what she is doing. If I don't come back I love you. okay....Austin went outside and Lyndsy is mad she won't talk to you. I didn't want to talk to her i want to talk to Austin. Misty crying, I want to see Austin, I can't stand her! Hank SR; i love you Misty,
Misty: you get all my stuff from her, I don't even want her wearing my ****, .....after this outburst they hang up...


SM

[Rockin Ma]

Are there actual docs somewhere recently released?

[groovy135]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/5/23/dad_to_misty_come_clean_about_haleigh.html


Dad To Misty: Come Clean About Haleigh
Sunday, May 23, 2010 10:57:04 AM
PALATKA -- New jailhouse video has been released between Misty Croslin and her father.

During the taped visit, Hank Croslin, Sr., again told his daughter to come clean about what she knows about her ex-husband’s missing daughter, Haleigh Cummings.

Hank Croslin: “The idea is that whatever you know, you need to tell them.”

Misty Croslin: “Daddy, I have.”

Hank: “OK.”

Misty: “Dad, it’s not may fault they don’t listen.”

Croslin remains locked up in Putnam County on drug charges unrelated to Haleigh’s disappearance.

Croslin was the last person to see Haleigh alive, before the little girl, then 5, vanished from her home in the middle of the night.

Investigators said they believe Haleigh was murdered, and that Misty knows what happened to her.

During the newest video, Misty said she can’t sleep, and is upset jail guards would not let her see her brother, who is also in jail.

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124599



Haleigh Cummings – Jail Tapes DVD 2

Posted on May 23rd, 2010
by Simon Barrett

We have rendered DVD 2 and are in the process of uploading the files. This will take up a few minutes, but we wanted to bring the files to you as quickly as possible.

Once again these are conversations between Misty Croslin and her father Hank Croslin. This DVD is sight unseen, I have not had an opportunity to even watch the videos. We are running at full speed to get this information out there. To give you an idea of what we are doing, Jan and I have three computers dedicated to the process, and another person is helping us, and they have at least one computer tied up on the project.

There will be a steady stream of tapes appearing today, so keep checking back with us. Also, please remember to tune in this afternoon at 3pm central. Point your browser to www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before we go on air, the link will be on the front page, or you can find the live program here.

Misty & Hank Part1 http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/dvd2/VTS_01_1_mpeg4.mp4

Misty & Hank Part2 No link provided at this time.

Misty & Hank Part3 http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/dvd2/VTS_02_1_mpeg4.mp4

Misty & Hank Part4 http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/dvd2/hank%20misty%20dvd2%20d.mp4

These files are large so expect a delay in them loading. Also our servers are being slammed at the moment so patience is a virtue…..

Simon and Jan Barrett

[groovy135]

http://www.bloggernews.net/124598


Haleigh Cummings – More from DVD 1

Posted on May 23rd, 2010
by Simon Barrett in All News, Society and Culture, crime


This is another jail house tape between Misty Croslin and her father Hank Croslin. Misty is claiming her innocence, and also now declaring that the ‘Cuz Joe did it’ came to her in a dream.

Hank Croslin makes the interesting observation that Ronald Cummings should never have had custody of the children in the first place.

There are also references to the now infamous Misty letter, Hank admonishes Misty for writing it in the first place.

There are also some references to Lisa Croslin and her problems. Husband Hank is not sure that it is worth her doing the community service or paying the current fines, because she is likely going to end up in jail anyway because of the new charges. “Might as well just let her do time for it all”. Oh what a loving husband.

Quote of the day from Hank:

Crooked ass cops

Nancy Grace also takes a bit of a beating in this exchange.

You can watch the conversation here http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may21/dvd1/VTS_02_1_mpeg4.mp4 .

Simon Barrett