Amber Alert issued for Haleigh Cummings, 4

[PoongyPrincess]

My son at three years could talk your ear off. I think he was pretty typical for that age so I would think that if someone did talk to Ronald, Jr., as long as they didn't ask any leading questions--which would be hard because how else do you get a 3 year old to talk about what you want to talk about?--then he could be of some help.

Just imo.

[darkthnker]

Maybe Misty wasn't going out to party. Ronald has a record of being charged with drug possession and dealing. Misty might have been on a delivery. There's a bicycle right by the back door. She could use that, and prop open the screen door herself. Some of those doors slam shut with the closer at the top, and make quite a loud noise. It would be faster to prop it. She might leave it unlocked because she thought she would be right back. Whomever ordered the drugs could have had someone waiting nearby for her to leave. They also might have delayed her with some ruse to buy more time. These people would, of course, never come forward to say she was there, nor would other customers report the activity. If it was just legal partying, someone would say something. We don't really know when all this actually happened,it could have been early enough for her to get rid of their stock. The children would stay asleep if "sleeping aids" had been administered - could be customary. I get the feeling that they are hiding something, even if not involved with her disappearance.

[SoUncool]

Oh wow, we should make our own reality show..."Imaginations Gone Wild!"

[Sister Iroz]

ALATKA, Fla. -- One week after 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her bedroom, local, state and federal authorities have sent volunteer search-and-rescue teams home but said they will continue "tactical searches" in response to new leads.

Almost from the beginning, authorities treated Haleigh's disappearance as an abduction.

Late Monday, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy urged everyone involved not to give up hope that the girl will be found alive.

"We're asking the family, 'Do not give up hope.' We have hope that we're going to find Haleigh, and we hope to bring her home alive," Hardy said, his voice cracking. "As I explained it to them with my staff -- we've not abandoned the search. Depending on the urgency of the tip, we have resources ready to deploy."

Sunday, after a six-day search of a 5-mile area around the Satsuma mobile home where Haleigh disappeared at times involving hundreds of people, officials suspended general search operations.

But a tip that came in Monday morning prompted about 60 officers to search for hours in a field near Pomona Park -- about 10 miles south of Satsuma. They left without finding anything significant.

Haleigh's family, which expressed support for the decision to scale back the daily searches on Sunday, was openly critical Monday that not enough was being done.

"I asked that we get permission for horses to still be out here to look," Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, said Monday. "It's not time to give up. It's still time. My daughter is still out there, and we want her home."

Volunteers searchin for Haleigh
Volunteers search a five-mile radius around the mobile home where Haleigh Cummings disappeared early Tuesday morning.
Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, also hoped search efforts will continue.

"I feel like they should stay expand the search," Sheffield said. "They need to search other areas, but I do think they should stay."

Florida Department of Law Enforcement Special Agent Dominic Pape confirmed that efforts to find Haleigh have not diminished, just entered a new phase.

"We will continue searching until she is recovered," Pape said. "We will search any place in this county and outside this country if we get a valid lead that says we need to be there."

Authorities said they have received more than 500 tips over the past several days, which is one of the reasons the command center was moved from a trailer in Satsuma to county offices in Palatka, where investigators had access to more resources.

Hardy said Haleigh's mother, father, his girlfriend and extended family members were being interviewed again, even though he has praised them for cooperating over the past week.

"We don't have all our questions answered and, obviously, we don't have Haleigh," Hardy said. "We'll interview people as many times as we feel necessary."

Channel 4's Laura Mazzeo and Diane Cho report a large number of federal agents and local police at the Cummings' mobile home late Monday afternoon. Also, police set up a checkpoint on Buffalo Bluff -- the road leading in and out of the neighborhood -- where detectives stopped and talked with the drivers.

No one would discuss what information prompted those responses.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18725807/detail.html

[~Absynthe~]

that quote I tbeleive that she knows who took her I think she knows more than she is letting on.

[MadmamainNC]

I watched the mother on Jane Velez Mitchell last night. I have to give her credit for not airing their dirty laundry on TV. She was asked about a dispute going on between the families. I am sure this has to do with Haleigh disappearing under their care. And she wouldn't comment much on it. As well as chose her words carefully in relation to how she felt about Misty taking care of her little ones.

[SoUncool]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/17/earlyshow/main4805595.shtml


Misty Croslin told CBS' The Early Show in an exclusive interview that Haleigh Cummings was asleep just four feet away from her the night she disappeared. "She wasn't there when I woke up," Croslin said.

Croslin did not recall the questions she was asked in the lie detector test. "I passed it," she said bluntly.

Putnam County Sheriff's officials said they sent about 50 officers Monday to a wooded area that had not previously been searched after receiving a tip on Haleigh's disappearance, but nothing was found.

Appearing alongside Croslin on The Early Show, Haleigh's grandmother, Theresa Nevis, said the family remained hopeful the little girl would be found. Asked to speculate who might take Haleigh, Nevis said it would likely be someone who knew that her son, Ronald Cummings, worked nights.

[McQuest]

Maybe Misty wasn't going out to party. Ronald has a record of being charged with drug possession and dealing. Misty might have been on a delivery. There's a bicycle right by the back door. She could use that, and prop open the screen door herself. Some of those doors slam shut with the closer at the top, and make quite a loud noise. It would be faster to prop it. She might leave it unlocked because she thought she would be right back. Whomever ordered the drugs could have had someone waiting nearby for her to leave. They also might have delayed her with some ruse to buy more time. These people would, of course, never come forward to say she was there, nor would other customers report the activity. If it was just legal partying, someone would say something. We don't really know when all this actually happened,it could have been early enough for her to get rid of their stock. The children would stay asleep if "sleeping aids" had been administered - could be customary. I get the feeling that they are hiding something, even if not involved with her disappearance.

Good theory and attention to detail like the bike.

I also wondered the possibility that he may have owed someone a lot of money in relation to drugs. They could have come to the trailor earlier and confronted him, taken her for colladeral and If you tell the cops we have her or where we are we'll kill her kind of thing. He's afraid to tell the cops and he doesn't have the money.

It's a stretch though. Especially if he passed lie detector tests.

[Peeperann]

"We will continue searching until she is recovered,"

I don't know about ya'll, but the word "recovered" never sounds good to me. Usually they say until she is "found". When they say "recover" to me that means a body.

I hate that thought.............

[Peeperann]

GMA just reported that LE is focusing on family members, especially on a male cousin of Misty's who left Florida the day after Haleigh went missing.

Hmmmmm, first time i've heard that. Wonder if her cousin had been in the house with her?

[SoUncool]

I don't know about ya'll, but the word "recovered" never sounds good to me. Usually they say until she is "found". When they say "recover" to me that means a body.

I hate that thought.............

That is not necessarily true. I have seen "found" also used when the child is located deceased. I have also seen the word "located" used for a child found alive or deceased. I think they tend to use the words interchangeably and just add the word "deceased" after found, located or recovered.

[Guccimama]

Hopefully we'll hear something more by the press conference this afternoon.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494425,00.html

Police said they have several new leads in the disappearance of a 5-year-old Florida girl after interviewing individuals they had missed during earlier sweeps of her neighborhood.

Capt. Steve Rose, of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, declined to describe the information Tuesday in the case of Haleigh Cummings.

"We were able to come up with several good leads that we are following up on today," Rose told reporters. "At this time we cannot discuss the nature of those leads."

Click here for photos.

The news comes after an announcement earlier this week that authorities were scaling back their hunt for Haleigh, who vanished in the middle of the night from her trailer home last week.

Rose said police did a second neighborhood canvass Monday evening and got more information from people they hadn't previously talked to. They also set up a vehicle checkpoint.

"It's possible those are people we missed the first time — new people, new information," Rose said. "We’re still looking at everybody as a suspect at this time."

Rose reversed the department's weekend remarks that police were pulling away from the search for the child, which has involved several tips and about 250 volunteers — including those from Texas EquuSearch.

Putnam County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Ryan told The Gainesville Sun that police would comb through two more small patches of land Monday at the end of their ground search. The investigation, now a week old, is no longer focusing on an inspection of the surrounding area.

"This is frustrating," Ryan said in a Sunday news conference. "This is not 'CSI.' We can't wrap this up in an hour."

Haleigh was discovered missing from her home before dawn last Tuesday by her father's girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin.

The father, Ronald Cummings, said Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom, and when she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed that the back door of the mobile home they shared was open. Cummings said he'd just come home from work when Haleigh disappeared.
Police haven't narrowed down a list of suspects in the case, and they have received more than 350 leads.

"All the sex offenders [in the area] have been interviewed and their residences have been searched," Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said earlier. "They're cleared as far as us contacting them and speaking to them."

Cummings and Croslin told FOX News' Greta Van Susteren last week that they both had submitted to polygraphs and "passed" the tests.

Sheriff's officials would not release the results. Rose said several of those questioned have taken lie detector tests.

Croslin has told different stories to police and the media about the timing of her discovery that Haleigh was gone and where she and the child were in the mobile home the night the little girl vanished.

Rose said Tuesday that police are focusing on the timeline Croslin has given them in the case.

"We're still working on the timeline, but we're not going to divulge (specifics) at this time," he said. "We feel pretty confident about when the girlfriend last saw Haleigh. That’s the timeline we’re focusing on."

He wouldn't comment on what authorities have learned about the sequence of events before and after the child was discovered missing.

Police had never been called to the home in the past, but there have been investigations by a social services agency involving Cummings, Croslin and Haleigh and her 4-year-old brother Junior, according to Rose. He hasn't revealed the nature of those cases.

The Florida Department of Children and Families confirmed that the agency "was involved with the family," but wouldn't disclose details, citing confidentiality laws.

In addition to Croslin and Cummings, the child's mother, Crystal Sheffield, also has been questioned in the case.

Another press briefing was planned for 4 p.m. EST Tuesday.

[PoongyPrincess]

It's good that they've found new leads.

[Silvahalo]

i tend to give misty some slack on where the kid was sleeping in relation to her. i suck at spacial relations and i can relate - even though 4 inches was a dorky amount to throw out there. but when greta balked, misty was trying to guage with her hands and she said "both of these chairs put together" which is like 4 feet. and then greta said "so as close as ronald is to you?" and misty said "yeah" probably to get her off her back. or bc she is used to being dumb when it comes to measuring. and then ron gets all whiny bc that is not right. bc he is a dude who knows measuring.

but really, this story is a hard one. (thats what she said)

i want to hear from the 3 year old. if we can. do you think a three year old will be able to tell us if dad hurt hayleigh before he left for work or if hayleigh was really in the bed when they all went to sleep? or could jr tell us if people came over sometimes?

bc the most plausible story is that dad hurt her and ditched her body. the second most plausible is that someone was inside and then snuck away with her (no lock to deal with). then the third is that someone came in while misty was gone. and the fourth is the story that we are being fed. imo

Good points Petrina, but I hope they don't have the 3 year old talk. This must be confusing and scary enough for him. Besides, I'm sure the authorities have already spoke with him. He doesn't need to be put under the lights at such a tender age, its hard for a 17 year old as we can see.

[Sister Iroz]

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo35/Special2bme/2442682.jpg

Teenage Caretaker of missing 5-year-old Florida girl says: "I didn't do it"

CLINT VAN ZANDTStaff
MSNBC TV Crime Analyst and Former FBI Profiler and Hostage Negotiator

http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/16/2441536-teenage-caretaker-of-missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-says-i-didnt-do-it

This is an interesting article so if you have time go read it. He talks about some theories and other cases. Was to long to post here but thought some might like to read it.

[SoUncool]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-girl-021709,0,5829153.story


New tips generated overnight have led Putnam County investigators to places around Florida and even out-of-state to search for missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings.

Detectives canvassed the Satsuma neighborhood last night and found new people they hadn't spoken to the first time they did a "knock and talk" last week, an official said.


Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said during a televised news conference that investigators have identified another area they plan to canvass within the next day or so.


The search is not limited to Putnam, and investigators said they will go wherever needed until they find Haleigh. They continue interviewing people, and evidence is being evaluated at a crime lab.

[darkthnker]

Police just had another news conference. Now they say Haleigh was not wearing the pink shirt. Police have the shirt in their possession, and they don't know what she was wearing. We have to "look at the face". It takes a while to show up, but it'll be here - www.cfnews13.com

[Whisper]

This is from True Crime Report Update I just caught it as it came out and as I am running out to work and it covers everything perfectly(almost all of the time) I have to run to work but thought they caught it all in these few paragraphs;;;;;;;; During a news conference held this afternoon, investigators indicated that details about the clothes Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings was wearing when she vanished were different from what was originally reported.

Police just aren't sure what Haleigh Cummings was wearing when she disappeared, after all. At first she was reportedly wearing a pink shirt and underwear, but now police say not to focus on the little girl's clothing - focus on her face.

Haleigh's status as a missing person has also been changed - she's considered endangered, as well. She probably always was, but police in Putnam County have pointedly changed the flyer giving details about Haleigh to read "ENDANGERED."

Investigators have re-examined a number of places they'd already covered and they still don't feel any closer to solving the mystery behind this child's disappearance. Everyone is basically still a suspect. Except, perhaps, for the infamous 44 local sex offenders mentioned so often in initial coverage of the case. Putnam County authorities say the sex offenders' homes have been searched, the offenders questioned, and none of them are suspects or persons-of-interest in this case.

Does this change in the description of Haleigh's clothes represent new holes in the story of that night as it's been told so far? It was hard to tell from the press conference, as police refused to elaborate much past telling the public to focus on Haleigh's features, her physical appearance. Still - it is grist for the mill for those who are already deeply suspicious of Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his teen girlfriend, Misty Croslin.

Call 1-888-277-TIPS if you think you have information that might lead to the whereabouts of Haleigh Cummings.

[totallytoddler]

I find it very telling that LE has not and will not release the results of the poly tests. Daddy and GF were quick ...very quick to say they passed....but they dont know that...they could have just been told "you did well"...or something along those lines. I think someone's poly shows signs of deception...and LE just is not telling us and them. Why?

Do they know something more? Of course they do...why do they have news conferences and then not answer any questions? And stop STOPPING to look for this girl to hold news conferences that tells us nothing...just keep looking for her!

[Sister Iroz]

Police just had another news conference. Now they say Haleigh was not wearing the pink shirt. Police have the shirt in their possession, and they don't know what she was wearing. We have to "look at the face". It takes a while to show up, but it'll be here - www.cfnews13.com


The pink shirt they initially thought she was wearing is in their possession. Authorities wouldn't release any more details about the shirt – how they discovered the shirt and whether it was being tested for forensic evidence.

Authorities stopped more than 200 vehicles last night during a check point to interview motorists. Around 100 agents went to more than 300 homes in the area and questioned residents again – hoping to find people who weren't question earlier.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-missing-girl-021709,0,5829153.story

[MadmamainNC]

Police just aren't sure what Haleigh Cummings was wearing when she disappeared, after all. At first she was reportedly wearing a pink shirt and underwear, but now police say not to focus on the little girl's clothing - focus on her face.

Word of advice to all parents/grandparents or anyone for that matter. Great tip to remember. If you are out at an event, store, amusement park, wherever, and you hear them call over the intercom about a missing child..look towards the exits for a sleeping child being carried possibly under a blanket and most likely without shoes. Look at the hair and the feet.

First thing a perp will do when snatching a child is take the shoes off and cover with a blanket. Shoes are one of the identifiable pieces of clothing a parent or guardian will mention. The blanket hides the rest.

Something we taught our employees when we ran a park at the Lake here as part of our training program.

And basically what they are saying above is the same, doesn't matter at this point because the clothes would be changed if she's with someone. Concentrate on her face.

[Rhoni]

I want to post my opinion over here It seems like we can say a lot more about how we really feel in our social group..WHAT THE FUCK is going on in Florida..WHat is in the damn water or air..I think Misty (the G/F) knows what happened to Haleigh..I think the father may possibly be involved..After watching them interviewed I would say they both at least know something they aren't telling..I hope I am wrong but...

[PoongyPrincess]

Good points Petrina, but I hope they don't have the 3 year old talk. This must be confusing and scary enough for him. Besides, I'm sure the authorities have already spoke with him. He doesn't need to be put under the lights at such a tender age, its hard for a 17 year old as we can see.

I don't think anyone meant for the three year old to be interviewed on tv, we just meant that he should be asked by someone trained in talking to little kids in a calm, non-threatening environment.

[Rockin Ma]

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OK, I'm not the only one who notices this. This issue really really bothers me.


When 6-year-old Adji Desir went missing last month in Immokalee, the Collier County Sheriff’s Office said it didn’t enact an Amber Alert because there was no clear indication he was abducted.




When 5-year-old Haleigh Cumming went missing early Tuesday morning in Satsuma, the Putnam County Sheriff’s office issued an Amber Alert, though it was unclear what happened.


“We’re currently working both angles — did she wander off, we’re working it that way with the searches,” said Lt. Johnny Greenwood. “And investigators are doing interviews in case it is an abduction.”


Fact: Haleigh is a little blonde girl.


Fact: Adji is a little Haitian boy.


The difference in responses makes you wonder.
http://www.news-press.com/article/20.../90212035/1075

[Rockin Ma]

I am trying not to get too involved in these cases. Caylee killed me. I do read what everyone writes. I suppose I will warm up and get my thoughts out there... hopefully she will be found before I do. I pray she does.

[Rockin Ma]

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OK, I'm not the only one who notices this. This issue really really bothers me.


When 6-year-old Adji Desir went missing last month in Immokalee, the Collier County Sheriff’s Office said it didn’t enact an Amber Alert because there was no clear indication he was abducted.




When 5-year-old Haleigh Cumming went missing early Tuesday morning in Satsuma, the Putnam County Sheriff’s office issued an Amber Alert, though it was unclear what happened.


“We’re currently working both angles — did she wander off, we’re working it that way with the searches,” said Lt. Johnny Greenwood. “And investigators are doing interviews in case it is an abduction.”


Fact: Haleigh is a little blonde girl.


Fact: Adji is a little Haitian boy.


The difference in responses makes you wonder.
http://www.news-press.com/article/20.../90212035/1075

[RaVen Blackehart]

Thanks Peeper for making this thread over here. Maybe I'll get up the courage to speak my mind on this case without worrying that my posts are offending people.

[hunnie]

Yeah it will be a little easier to keep track of both cases (Caylee & Haleigh) cuz you know we're going to be getting the document dump in a couple of days ...lotta back and forth...

I don't think that the Gf was home at nights, and the little girl possibly walked out looking for Misty....and i think she either drowned ( if so she'll come up floating any day now...i think they say it takes from 10-21 days for a body to come up) she might've drifted down river..or...the gaiters.

or....the gf wasn't home at nights and some pervert KNEW and got the little girl....cuz the Gf is the one who left the back door open for herself to ease back in....cuz BF used front door....she was out partying i think.

I think the father is a stupid ass....for living with a child....and trusting her with his kids...Misty just turned 17 in December...

If you count the age of the mother of his children....age 19 and subtract the age of Haliegh....she was only 15 years old when he got her pregnant....his ass should be charged with something...for being stupid.

[Whisper]

Breaking news on NG for anyone that didnt see it can read whole transcript ;;;;;;;;;;; http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html Bombshell. Literally in the moments before we go to air tonight, local WJXT reports the girlfriend/baby-sitter was not -- repeat, not -- sleeping in the home with the children when little Haleigh disappears, what the girlfriend first told police, a bed she was reportedly sharing with the girlfriend/baby-sitter and her 4-year-old little brother. Where was she? What was the scenario that night? After claiming she passed not one but two polygraphs, the girlfriend`s apparent lie at the least costing police invaluable hours at the get-go in the search for Haleigh!

[CorruptedMistress]

I am currently watching NG, and according to the news source, there were about 1200 tips that came in today about the disappearance and one of the calls was regarding Misty not being in the home at the time. They could not say if it was merely something speculated and called in for police to look into, or if it was an actual reporting of her not being in the home at the time. Police are looking into the tip.

The paternal grandmother said that she had someone stop by Haleigh's home with some clothes to drop off and that Misty was there, so she is sticking by Misty's story of her being in the home and sleep at the time of the abduction.

She also said that Misty did not call the police until Haleigh's father came home because she was searching the home frantically looking for the child as he walked in and he was upset that she was not on the phone with police.

Haleigh was at school the day she went missing, the paternal grandmother picked her up from the bus stop.

I am curious what the deal is with the pink t-shirt that was found. I am hoping they will say where exactly it was found, in the home or elsewhere.

[syngal]

Yeah it will be a little easier to keep track of both cases (Caylee & Haleigh) cuz you know we're going to be getting the document dump in a couple of days ...lotta back and forth...

I don't think that the Gf was home at nights, and the little girl possibly walked out looking for Misty....and i think she either drowned ( if so she'll come up floating any day now...i think they say it takes from 10-21 days for a body to come up) she might've drifted down river..or...the gaiters.

or....the gf wasn't home at nights and some pervert KNEW and got the little girl....cuz the Gf is the one who left the back door open for herself to ease back in....cuz BF used front door....she was out partying i think.

I think the father is a stupid ass....for living with a child....and trusting her with his kids...Misty just turned 17 in December...

If you count the age of the mother of his children....age 19 and subtract the age of Haliegh....she was only 15 years old when he got her pregnant....his ass should be charged with something...for being stupid.

My thoughts are close to your thoughts in both scenarios.
1) The girl was out partying nearby in the trailer park. I don't buy that excuse of her conveniently waking up at 3:00 AM to either go to the bathroom, or get a drink of water (that's 2 versions of her "excuse" for waking up at 3:00). She got in at 3:00, knowing that b/f would get home close to 3:30. She went in the bedroom to get some nightclothes on, then she discovered Haleigh missing. (Still not clear as to exactly where Haleigh was sleeping)
2) Haleigh woke up, discovered that Misty was gone and went looking for her. Haleigh might even be aware of Misty's hangouts, and some perv in the Trailer Park might have been trolling around and snatched Haleigh, or maybe one of the pervs was at the party with Misty, and knew that Haleigh was in bed, and only her little brother would be there.

I heard that the birth mother was 23, then I heard again that she's only 19!!? If so, then she would have only been 13 when she got pregnant, and 14 when she gave birth to Haleigh.
Either way, that g/f has changed her stories on the details, and however she came to find out Haleigh was missing at 3:00, why did she wait almost 30 minutes until b/f got there? Even he called her a dumb bitch for not calling 911!
I sure hope the little girl is found safe, but I have a bad feeling that she won't.

[Rhoni]

Thanks Peeper for making this thread over here. Maybe I'll get up the courage to speak my mind on this case without worrying that my posts are offending people.

That is why I posted here Raven..I feel like we can say whatever we want and our group wont be offended..

[Rhoni]

I am trying not to get too involved in these cases. Caylee killed me. I do read what everyone writes. I suppose I will warm up and get my thoughts out there... hopefully she will be found before I do. I pray she does.

Rockin I don't feel attached as I did with Caylee..I want Haleigh found and I want to know what happened but I do not feel even close to what I felt/feel when Caylee was missing..

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Haleigh Cummings wasn't wearing the pink shirt she was initially described as wearing the night she disappeared, Putnam County Sheriff's officials said Tuesday.

Investigators say they don't know what she was wearing when she vanished late Feb. 9 or early the 10th from her home 80 miles north of Orlando.

On Tuesday, investigators wouldn't discuss details of the pink shirt in their possession -- how they found it, where it was and whether it will be tested for any forensic evidence.http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/southwest/orl-missing1809feb18,0,2574631.story

[SoUncool]

Breaking news on NG for anyone that didnt see it can read whole transcript ;;;;;;;;;;; http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html Bombshell. Literally in the moments before we go to air tonight, local WJXT reports the girlfriend/baby-sitter was not -- repeat, not -- sleeping in the home with the children when little Haleigh disappears, what the girlfriend first told police, a bed she was reportedly sharing with the girlfriend/baby-sitter and her 4-year-old little brother. Where was she? What was the scenario that night? After claiming she passed not one but two polygraphs, the girlfriend`s apparent lie at the least costing police invaluable hours at the get-go in the search for Haleigh!

At this point it's being considered a TIP and they are following up on this TIP.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29245852/


However, on Tuesday, new information was released that Haleigh's father's girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin, may not have been at home the night Haleigh disappeared.

Investigators in Putnam County said they are looking into the Croslin tip as a possibility.


Detectives said the lead that Croslin may not have been home when Haleigh went missing is just one of many tips they are looking into.

[Peeperann]

Thanks SU. I understand it's just a tip, but it's what i've been thinking all along. She's only 17, she would not want to be stuck with someone else's kids every night.

I don't believe she meant anything to happen or maybe she's not aware of the danger in doing that. But still, it will come down to being her fault if this is true.

I hope it's not.

[PoongyPrincess]

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OK, I'm not the only one who notices this. This issue really really bothers me.


When 6-year-old Adji Desir went missing last month in Immokalee, the Collier County Sheriff’s Office said it didn’t enact an Amber Alert because there was no clear indication he was abducted.




When 5-year-old Haleigh Cumming went missing early Tuesday morning in Satsuma, the Putnam County Sheriff’s office issued an Amber Alert, though it was unclear what happened.


“We’re currently working both angles — did she wander off, we’re working it that way with the searches,” said Lt. Johnny Greenwood. “And investigators are doing interviews in case it is an abduction.”


Fact: Haleigh is a little blonde girl.


Fact: Adji is a little Haitian boy.


The difference in responses makes you wonder.
http://www.news-press.com/article/20.../90212035/1075

Different counties might have different ways of handling crime. I'd hate to assume it's because of race. I'd also like to think that the collective "we" are getting over that in this country :hug:

[SoUncool]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090218/ARTICLES/902181008/0/MAGAZINE


Relatives and friends mentioned that officers were checking into reports Cummings had recently been in an argument with a man who had been at the home but who left before Haleigh disappeared. Officers are reportedly checking this man's criminal history.

[Sister Iroz]

Investigators are now questioning whether Misty Croslin lied to law enforcement about her whereabouts the night 5-year old Haleigh Cummings disappeared.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office received a tip that Croslin, 17, left the double-wide trailer she shared with Haleigh's father and his 4-year old son, sometime late Feb. 9 or early Feb. 10.

"We have received that tip, they are following up on it," Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said during a press conference this morning.

Haleigh was last seen by Croslin when the child went to bed Feb. 9. Croslin said she woke around 3 a.m. and found the girl gone.

So far, officials have received nearly 1,200 tips on the case. One tip led investigators to the St. Johns River earlier in the day but nothing was found. The ground search for the child has ended.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-update-021809,0,1755884.story

Wonder why they are now questioning whether Misty told the truth or not. Maybe she didn't pass the lie detector test? I wish they would share more and not a little bit at a time.

[totallytoddler]

That is why I posted here Raven..I feel like we can say whatever we want and our group wont be offended..

You offend me every single day.

[SoUncool]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=17


(3:21 PM, 2-18-09) SATSUMA, FL -- The mother, father and grandmother of Haleigh Cummings are at the Putnam County Sheriff's Office right now.

Moments ago, Marie Griffis, Haleigh's grandmother, told First Coast News that deputies had told her to pick up Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, and take her to the Sheriff's Office.

Griffis left in a hurry, according to First Coast News Chief Investigative reporter Jackelyn Barnard.

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, was taken there by the lead detective in the case.

The flurry of activity came hours after a news conference where investigators announced little except the tip about Misty Croslin not being at the house when Haleigh vanished.

Capt. Dick Schauland said the tip is one of 1,200 under investigation.

Marie Griffis says the family is taking the tip with a grain of salt until detectives can say whether it's valid.

[DarkPrincess]

If this tip turns out to be true, I could totally see Haleigh's father beating the shit out this girl. The cops better be ready if that's the case.

[RaVen Blackehart]

You offend me every single day.

:questionmark: :questionmark: :questionmark: :questionmark:

[Komak]

Sorry Lizard, she asked, I said go for it and she's not gonna listen to us anyway!!! I was gonna call her and yell at Art, but she can't talk right now.

And this wasn't for me, it was for someone else.

Special, go to bed before they lynch me!!! :stupido3:

I love you, now, meds, ice and bed for you!!!

ummmm KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK...

What the hell happened to Special while I was MIA? Anybody....???

Special, whatever it is my prayers are with you....

:hello:

[McQuest]

""The mother, father and grandmother of Haleigh Cummings are at the Putnam County Sheriff's Office right now.

Moments ago, Marie Griffis, Haleigh's grandmother, told First Coast News that deputies had told her to pick up Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, and take her to the Sheriff's Office.

Griffis left in a hurry, according to First Coast News Chief Investigative reporter Jackelyn Barnard.

Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, was taken there by the lead detective in the case.""

Hmm, wonder if they are ready to arrest one or more of them. Or if they found a body.


I also thought that if Ronald is not involved and did not know Misty was leaving at night, (if she really was), they better not leave those 2 alone after reporting that she was after the statements he's already made. She will become the enemy.

[Sister Iroz]

The reward for information that leads authorities to missing five-year-old Haleigh Cummings has risen to $16,000.

Most of the reward is being offered by an anonymous Putnam County donor, Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said at a press conference this afternoon

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-update-021809,0,1755884.story

I wonder if this has anything to do with the tip. Since they are having them come to the office you don't think they found a body do you? I feel this isn't good having them go to the office. I can't handle 2 in one day.

[Whisper]

"" a tip that investigators received from a local resident who came forward and told them that Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, 24-year-old Ronald Cummings, was not at home the night Haleigh disappeared. It has further been alleged that the night Haleigh was abducted was not the first time Croslin had sneaked out while Cummings was at work and his kids were sleeping. There are further allegations regarding her activities at that time; however that information has not officially been released."",,,David Lohr knew this info for at least a day but didnt want to release it until sure but someone else did.The more I read the more I dont have a good feeling about this.

[Undeniable Truth]

"" a tip that investigators received from a local resident who came forward and told them that Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, 24-year-old Ronald Cummings, was not at home the night Haleigh disappeared. It has further been alleged that the night Haleigh was abducted was not the first time Croslin had sneaked out while Cummings was at work and his kids were sleeping. There are further allegations regarding her activities at that time; however that information has not officially been released."",,,David Lohr knew this info for at least a day but didnt want to release it until sure but someone else did.The more I read the more I dont have a good feeling about this.

Holy fuck!!! I just saw these new developments, and I'm speechless.

Now I wonder if the girlfriend knows more about what happened to the child than she's letting on. If not, the other question is: Who else knew that the girlfriend was sneaking out and leaving the kids there alone at night?

[Sister Iroz]

PALATKA, Fla. -- Putnam County investigators separately interviewed 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings' father and mother Wednesday afternoon, but officials downplayed that as routine and said there's no break in the hunt for the girl now missing for nine days.

Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's parents were each brought to the sheriff's office.

"As leads develop, we will always going back to the family members," Florida Department of Law Enforcement agent-in-charge Dominick Pape said. "As this case goes on and we feel the need to bring them in, we will. They've been very cooperative with us

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18742867/detail.html

Is this all they wanted with them to interview them again seperately.

[Silvahalo]

I'm on pins-n-needles since this broke. I don't believe the authorities will tell initially if they found Haleigh....I think they would try to use it to their advantage to get more details from father and gf.

The wait is terrible...praying for you Haleigh.

[totallytoddler]

:questionmark: :questionmark: :questionmark: :questionmark:

LOL...Raven...Rhoni and I have a "special" relationship......its called sarcasm. She loves it. I have been waiting for her to comment on that all day....guess she hasnt seen it.

[Rhoni]

LOL...Raven...Rhoni and I have a "special" relationship......its called sarcasm. She loves it. I have been waiting for her to comment on that all day....guess she hasnt seen it.

I see it now:thefinger:..I work very hard to offend you TT I practice every morning in front of my mirror...You should see the faces I make :brushteeth::cool2:

[Whisper]

Yeah I agree silva and I hate waiting for news but they have to do their job and # 1 on that job is Haliegh which she should be,,bbl

[totallytoddler]

I see it now:thefinger:..I work very hard to offend you TT I practice every morning in front of my mirror...You should see the faces I make :brushteeth::cool2:

Can you see THIS??? :bootyshake:
And when I spank you its gonna look like this :reddy:

Tee Hee :lollypop:

[Rhoni]

Can you see THIS??? :bootyshake:
And when I spank you its gonna look like this :reddy:

Tee Hee :lollypop:

I was going to come back with a really good reply but all I could do was :rofl:

[Rhoni]

Girlfriend Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
Wednesday, February 18, 2009 – updated: 12:34 pm EST February 18, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News discovered that the Putnam County Sheriff's Office is investigating Ronald Cummings' girlfriend, who claimed that she was at home and sleeping when Haleigh Cummings was taken. But a tip puts the spotlight on the 17-year-old girlfriend.

The most recent information investigators got was that Ronald Cummings' girlfriend, Misty Croslin, may not have been home when Haleigh disappeared from .

http://www.wftv.com/news/18738704/detail.html

[totallytoddler]

Girlfriend Under Investigation In Haleigh Case
Wednesday, February 18, 2009 – updated: 12:34 pm EST February 18, 2009

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News discovered that the Putnam County Sheriff's Office is investigating Ronald Cummings' girlfriend, who claimed that she was at home and sleeping when Haleigh Cummings was taken. But a tip puts the spotlight on the 17-year-old girlfriend.

The most recent information investigators got was that Ronald Cummings' girlfriend, Misty Croslin, may not have been home when Haleigh disappeared from .

http://www.wftv.com/news/18738704/detail.html

Seriously...I dont see how this could be news when we all basically thought this from the beginning! Too bad if all she did was sneak out ...she has not parental rights to her so she is not the responsible one....the daddy is.
She could get into trouble for lying...so a misdemeanor probably....I dont think she killed her or anything like that..........but I'll bet my life she was not there!

I bet LE is always on here to get tips from US......thats prob where 1000 of their 1200 tips came from...us super sleuths.....heehee.

[Rhoni]

If she was suppose to be watching the children she can and probably will be charged with Child Endangerment or something like that...I think there is a little more involvement or knowledge than just not being home..I guess we shall see.She will break one way or other she is way to nervous to keep it together..

[Peeperann]

Thanks Peeper for making this thread over here. Maybe I'll get up the courage to speak my mind on this case without worrying that my posts are offending people.

Raven my sweet, you better!! I've missed hearing your point of view and any links or thoughts you may have!! Love you sweety :love:

[totallytoddler]

If she was suppose to be watching the children she can and probably will be charged with Child Endangerment or something like that...I think there is a little more involvement or knowledge than just not being home..I guess we shall see.She will break one way or other she is way to nervous to keep it together..

Is stupidity a crime down in Florida?

[Peeperann]

Is stupidity a crime down in Florida?

I wish it were. But, but then we'd have to get Solange, Madmommy and the rest of our people out as the whole state would be a prison!!

[Rhoni]

I wish it were. But, but then we'd have to get Solange, Madmommy and the rest of our people out as the whole state would be a prison!!

LOL I was thinking the whole state would be arrested...aside from our people. :)

[Sister Iroz]

PALATKA - Hugs and yellow ribbons on trees and doors showed the continued support for the family of a missing Putnam County girl a week after her disappearance.

Relatives and friends mentioned that officers were checking into reports Cummings had recently been in an argument with a man who had been at the home but who left before Haleigh disappeared. Officers are reportedly checking this man's criminal history.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090218/articles/902181004

[philly_phan]

Wonder why they are now questioning whether Misty told the truth or not. Maybe she didn't pass the lie detector test? I wish they would share more and not a little bit at a time.

As I have been saying from the beginning, this chick Misty is full of shit! :argh: She IS lying. Either she was not there at all when Haleigh disappeared (stranger abduction, she had nothing to do w/ it) or she was there and not alone (chillin' w/ the neighborhood boys while her BF was at work) and someone she had over there did something to Haleigh and it went too far...

As she keeps lying and spinning her tales, it's all falling apart and we'll find out sooner than later I'm sure.

[Silvahalo]

Yeah I agree silva and I hate waiting for news but they have to do their job and # 1 on that job is Haliegh which she should be,,bbl

Yes, of course, that goes without saying...still, it sucks bad not knowing what happened and where Haliegh is....I JUST WANT TO KNOW...IS SHE ALIVE? IS SHE HURT...JUST TELL US ALREADY!....

[totallytoddler]

Yes, of course, that goes without saying...still, it sucks bad not knowing what happened and where Haliegh is....I JUST WANT TO KNOW...IS SHE ALIVE? IS SHE HURT...JUST TELL US ALREADY!....

I think she is most certainly hurt...at the very least........OMG...I cant take this anymore...these poor little babies........when will it end?
She has been gone too long. I cannot even imagine what the family is going through....I NEVER........NEVER...........EVER want to know how they feel....EVER!

[PoongyPrincess]

i think she is most certainly hurt...at the very least........omg...i cant take this anymore...these poor little babies........when will it end?
She has been gone too long. I cannot even imagine what the family is going through....i never........never...........ever want to know how they feel....ever!

ita.

[swivel]

"" a tip that investigators received from a local resident who came forward and told them that Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh's father, 24-year-old Ronald Cummings, was not at home the night Haleigh disappeared. It has further been alleged that the night Haleigh was abducted was not the first time Croslin had sneaked out while Cummings was at work and his kids were sleeping. There are further allegations regarding her activities at that time; however that information has not officially been released."",,,David Lohr knew this info for at least a day but didnt want to release it until sure but someone else did.The more I read the more I dont have a good feeling about this.

I totally predicted this.

[Shadow]

i don't know if this has been added yet:

SATSUMA, FL -- Family members of Ronald Cummings say he got into a fight with another man over a gun one day before his daughter disappeared.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661&catid=295


~shadow

[Silvahalo]

i don't know if this has been added yet:

SATSUMA, FL -- Family members of Ronald Cummings say he got into a fight with another man over a gun one day before his daughter disappeared.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661&catid=295


~shadow

I don't remember reading that...thanks shadow!

[Shadow]

I don't remember reading that...thanks shadow!



thank you silvahalo... i saw it and i thought it was worth a look, there's so much tall-tales going on with this case, it seems that it's difficult to know what's true and what isn't..

~shadow

[philly_phan]

I totally predicted this.
Me too :wink:

[Whisper]

Me too :wink:
I think alot of people saw this coming after the twit opened her mouth the first time and each time after that.Its sad that a 5 yr old baby has to pay for her moms,dads,and step twits bad judgements.I hope shes still alive although I dont have a great feeling here.I hope they take Ron JR away from that whole herd of friggen inbred window licking hillbillys and at least give him a shot at a healthy happy life.Something he wont have with any of them.http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l47/dan-e-boy56/Angels/candle1.gif

[Sister Iroz]

So when do you think they are going to tell us where his girlfriend actually was the night Haleigh went missing? I don't like not hearing anything makes me think they aren't doing enough. Although, I'm sure that isn't true, I just like to be kept informed. So I don't go anymore CRAZY than I already am.

[totallytoddler]

Did anyone catch the news conference the Dad had on HLN???? I guess the GF is "with detectives" and the dad says he believes her story, but thinks anyone could have done "anything".
I also found it strange that a funeral director stepped up and opened a Bank of America account in Haleigh Cummings name for donations. Funeral directors family also made the tshirts and buttons with Haleigh on them. They are similar to the Caylee ones.

Fuck I hope they find her alive!

[SoUncool]

I am soooo not on the same page as the rest of you... Once again...what a mob mentality.

[philly_phan]

I am soooo not on the same page as the rest of you... Once again...what a mob mentality.
How is it mob mentality? The chick was the LAST "adult" (not even) or older person w/ the child. She was SUPPOSED to be babysitting. She keeps changing her story and none of it made sense in the 1st damn place! I don't give a fuck if she's trailer trash or a mansion madame...the story stinks and now a 5 yr old little girl is "missing" (and forgive me for being negative but I truly believe she is dead!). Think like a parent, what would you say or believe if you were in this situation? You came home and your 5 yr old is gone? The 17 yr old who was babysitting was asleep only "inches" from the 5 yr old yet had no answers? Or clear and convincing answers.
You have your reasons for feeling like you do...I just gave you mine. I'm just baffled as to why you feel we (the 'mob') are lynching this poor 17 yr old and what do you think happened?

[ineedanap]

Does anyone else find it odd the Haleigh's dad and g/f are living in tents down the road from the trailer? Wouldn't you go stay with family or friends? What's the point of sleeping in tents? Like Haleigh is just going to show up one night just like the night she just disappeared? Thankfully, they have sent the 4 yo to stay in a home with relatives.

[Peeperann]

I think SU is just with holding judgment until we get more info and it's proven she left the kids alone. While my gut tells me this is what happened, we can't say for sure until it's proven.

She is only 17 and not the childrens mother. If she was left in charge and did leave them, then I believe she should get the harshest punishment possible, especially if she's lied and wasted so much precious time.

And yes, she is young, but old enough to know better than to leave children alone at anytime of the day or night. But this isn't like the Caylee case, where everyone knew what had happened. We have to have it proven with this tip that she left. So far all we know is a tip came in.

I'm with ya'll in feeling this is exactly what happened, but I too am going to wait for proof........

[MadmamainNC]

If it's true and proven that she went out, yes she is responsible. Now, on the same note so is the Dad but won't be criminally responsible.
We hold all the stupid ass women on this page under the same scrutiny when their rent-a-penis injures their kids. Can't be double standard.

This girl comes from a questionable upbringing herself. Obviously her parents are POS to let her leave and move in with this guy. Likely examples were probably set before her as she was growing up. I'm not saying that if she went out that it was OK, I'm saying she's 17, probably was brought up with little values and is stuck in the house at night playing mom to someone else kids -Instead of doing what normal 17yrs do who don't have children.
Teens are mostly irresponsible, impulsive and all about themselves. They want to have fun and live in the moment.
I don't know if he thought he was doing her a favor or what but he has no business playing house with a 17yr old. Not to mention dumping the responsibility of his children on her. She never had children and probably hasn't formed her maternal instincts whether they come naturally or not. Some don't form them until they are with child.

Unless she physically harmed Haleigh herself (which I doubt) I can't find myself attacking her under the above circumstances.

Also, Lord knows what POS's he allowed to hang around that house. "Oh btw, there was a fight here yesterday over a gun". We've also heard about drug issues. Paints a big picture of the type of people they are (He is) He went and shacked up with a 17yr old forcing her to play mom to two children who aren't hers.

One thing that LE knows, a 17 yr old can be broken if there is more to this story. I am keeping an open mind about her till the facts come in. The Dad's constant controlling, correcting of what she says raises my eyebrow.

[SoUncool]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131741&catid=3


JACKSONVILLE, FL -- With the Haleigh Cummings Amber Alert status creating a nationwide lookout, there are reports of a search this past weekend in Knoxville, Tennessee.

The Tennessee Highway Patrol confirms that a man with a little girl who looked like Haleigh Cummings was spotted outside a Carrabba's restaurant in East Knoxville on Sunday afternoon. The Highway Patrol quickly canvassed the area in a search that resulted in no findings.

More witnesses came forward saying the man, who was white, walked while shielding the face of a girl who looked like Haleigh. The two got into a red Toyota RAV4 with Florida license plates and drove off.

The Tennessee Highway Patrol has no further comment and can't confirm that the girl was actually Haleigh Cummings.

Another article:

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=78516&catid=2

[MadmamainNC]

Does anyone else find it odd the Haleigh's dad and g/f are living in tents down the road from the trailer? Wouldn't you go stay with family or friends? What's the point of sleeping in tents? Like Haleigh is just going to show up one night just like the night she just disappeared? Thankfully, they have sent the 4 yo to stay in a home with relatives.

Is the trailer still roped off? I don't get this either.

[philly_phan]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131741&catid=3

So WHERE what the 17 yr old and what was SHE doing while 5 yr old Haleigh was being kidnapped? Was she snorting a line or blowing the neighbor? Was she really asleep when a total STRANGER walked in and quietly and efficiently abducted a sleeping 5 yr old? I have no clue. There ARE NOT enough facts to convict her...but in my apparently closed and little mind I blame HER. I blame her for not being vigilant, I blame her for lying, forgive me if I am wrong but I BLAME HER.

[Rhoni]

Haleigh Spotted in Tennessee?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131741&catid=3

[Whisper]

I think everyones emotions are running high for the fact most(not all) have children and cant imagine being in the position that they are.I cant even begin to think of what I would do and yet reading this when you have kids you almost put yourself there in that position and try to "arm chair cop".It happens I dont think most see it ,I didnt at first.Sometimes we feel we know more then the cops and they should log on and we could help them figure it out.Well after taking a step back and re thinking somethings after UC post I agree the cops do know more then we do,they just cant tell us!! And thats so frustrating so we sit and stew and decide what they should be doing.They know if she was there or not( the twit),they know where she was at that time,they know if Halieghs dead or alive(I would almost bet they know that by now),they know if daddy had a fight over a gun,they know if door was unlocked or just ignored etc,etc,.And they cant tell us!!If they told us then that would be when real mob mentality would surface.Can you imagine the people that would flock there by the busloads and lynch these freaks of nature.Although the cops hate these people more then we do (if possible) its their jobs to protect them UNTIL its made public.So I will wait and see and plan my road trip for the lynchings after its all released to the public.

[Peeperann]

So WHERE what the 17 yr old and what was SHE doing while 5 yr old Haleigh was being kidnapped? Was she snorting a line or blowing the neighbor? Was she really asleep when a total STRANGER walked in and quietly and efficiently abducted a sleeping 5 yr old? I have no clue. There ARE NOT enough facts to convict her...but in my apparently closed and little mind I blame HER. I blame her for not being vigilant, I blame her for lying, forgive me if I am wrong but I BLAME HER.

Philly, I get where you're coming from, I really do. I think we all do. It's always so hard when a child goes missing. It hits everyone of us like a sucker punch to the gut.

And I do believe she did leave the house and left them alone, but still we have no proof. Does that make her responsible for what happened if that turns out to be the case, Yes Ma'am it does! But if it turns out she didn't then I have the feeling we are never going to know exactly what happened.

[ineedanap]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18750655/detail.html

because their mobile home down the street is still a crime scene.

The cops are saying the trailer is a crime scene. How long will it stay a crime scene, I mean, LE was only ever at the Anthony's at most, over one weekend. This girl's been missing 9 days now!

Just catching the end of the presser, apparently they have a sexual predator in custody but they DO NOT believe he is connected to Haleigh's disappearance.

[totallytoddler]

Haleigh Spotted in Tennessee?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131741&catid=3

Ok...seriously....who would be THAT fucking stupid...to kidnap a child and then take her out for a nice Italian dinner????? In public?????
Yea...just like the Caylee sightings....people are so stupid.....1200 tips in 9 days....how is that even possible??? Some of the tips came from women trying to get even with their husbands and saying they took her.

As many sick pervs as there are out there ....seems to be JUST as many fucking stupid idiots too. Who would fuck with a missing childs investigation? Who would send police on wild goose chases and waste valuable time???

I think these people should be arrested....maybe if there was a law out there for misleading LE in an investigation....stupid fucks would crawl back into the woodwork they came out of and mind their own fucking business!

I do not think there can be a mistaken identity with this little girl...she has such a distinguishing birthmark on her face....now if that were me...and I honestly thought that I saw her....dining next to me in a restaraunt...I would not let this guy even leave with her......I would tackle his fucking ass to the ground.........I mean...why do people wait and follow and SEE where he goes and what car he gets into....that is just ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!

And it was said he left the restaraunt sheilding her face? Why would she be brought in a public place like that and then try to be hidden????????

Can ya'll tell I am having a shitty day????? Just gotta pound it out the keys!!!

[Rhoni]

My very first thought was who would take her out in public to a restaurant... GMTA..We do not know what kind of people we are dealing with here..Oh wait yes we do take a look at the family Sorry but I think they are IDIOTS and so are the people they associate with I am sure...I also thought oh boy a sighting in another state..George must have taught them well..~shrugs~ I just want this child found one way or another...


Rant away my friend..Writing is good for the soul..I am sorry you are having a shitty day though..

ps I would do whatever it took to get the child away from him too..

[totallytoddler]

My very first thought was who would take heout in public to a restaurant... GMTA..We do not know what kind of people we are dealing with here..Oh wait yes we do take a look at the family Sorry but I think they are IDIOTS and so are the people they associate with I am sure...I also thought oh boy a sighting in another state..George must have taught them well..~shrugs~ I just want this child found one way or another...


Rant away my friend..Writing is good for the soul..I am sorry you are having a shitty day though..

ps I would do whatever it took to get the child away from him too..

Yes...this one is definatly a bullshit "sighting"...in my book anyway. The GF IMO was not there like she was supposed to be...bottom line. She snuck out and someone else snuck in.
And when it comes down to it....Daddy's gonna find out...and then we might have another "missing child" on our hands.....cuz he's gonna get rid of her!

[Sister Iroz]

ALATKA, Fla. -- Ten days after 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her mobile home, an obviously fatigued father faced the news media Wednesday, thanking all who have helped searched for the kindergartener, the media for spreading the word and to law enforcement for their tireless efforts to find the girl.

Ronald Cummings ended the 10-minute briefing with a message for his daughter:

"I would like to tell my daughter, if she's watching, 'Baby, I love you, and we will find you,'" Cummings said. "I love you."

Cummings said he does not suspect his 17-year-old girlfriend did anything wrong the night Haleigh disappeared, WJXT-TV reported.

"I don't have any suspicions of anybody," Cummings said. "Obviously, if I knew what was going on, I would have my daughter."

Cummings became defensive when asked questions about his background, reports that he had a fight with a cousin over a gun, and other events in the days before Haleigh disappeared.

"It's about my daughter gone missing, not what's going on in my life," Cummings said. "People say a lot of things and they don't know what they're talking about."
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18752447/detail.html


Sorry, don't mean to disappoint everyone just a message from dad.

[Whisper]

Ok...seriously....who would be THAT fucking stupid...to kidnap a child and then take her out for a nice Italian dinner????? In public?????
Yea...just like the Caylee sightings....people are so stupid.....1200 tips in 9 days....how is that even possible??? Some of the tips came from women trying to get even with their husbands and saying they took her.

As many sick pervs as there are out there ....seems to be JUST as many fucking stupid idiots too. Who would fuck with a missing childs investigation? Who would send police on wild goose chases and waste valuable time???

I think these people should be arrested....maybe if there was a law out there for misleading LE in an investigation....stupid fucks would crawl back into the woodwork they came out of and mind their own fucking business!

I do not think there can be a mistaken identity with this little girl...she has such a distinguishing birthmark on her face....now if that were me...and I honestly thought that I saw her....dining next to me in a restaraunt...I would not let this guy even leave with her......I would tackle his fucking ass to the ground.........I mean...why do people wait and follow and SEE where he goes and what car he gets into....that is just ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!

And it was said he left the restaraunt sheilding her face? Why would she be brought in a public place like that and then try to be hidden????????

Can ya'll tell I am having a shitty day????? Just gotta pound it out the keys!!!
Hey look at Joseph Duncan,murdered Shasta and Dylans ,mom,stepdad,brother then Dylan.Then goes back to her hometown and took her for breakfast at Dennys!

[Nell]

True that to the above. Some criminals are stupid. Wouldn't it be nice if she was as the restaurant? Would mean she was still alive.

[Whisper]

True that to the above. Some criminals are stupid. Wouldn't it be nice if she was as the restaurant? Would mean she was still alive.
wouldnt that be perfect Nell,I keep reminding myself that Elizabeth Smart came home after 9 months.But thats rare.Although I read story monday I think.Brother and sister abducted 20 yrs ago have been found "I think brazil" but not positive.They were abducted by grand parents in states and 20 yrs later found.But thats a family situation no clue why grands took them.

[mousygirl]

oh, god, i just hope that is her they saw in TN and that she's OK. but i have a bad feeling. =(

if this does have something to do with the 17-year-old sneaking out, i really feel like it's the dad who deserves to be nailed to the wall. how stupid are you, to leave your kids with your teenage girlfriend? and i'm sorry, but a 25 year old man with a 17 year old girlfriend is just gross.

[Whisper]

wouldnt that be perfect Nell,I keep reminding myself that Elizabeth Smart came home after 9 months.But thats rare.Although I read story monday I think.Brother and sister abducted 20 yrs ago have been found "I think brazil" but not positive.They were abducted by grand parents in states and 20 yrs later found.But thats a family situation no clue why grands took them.
The parents of a brother and sister allegedly kidnapped by their grandparents in Tennessee 20 years ago are hoping to reunite with their children — found alive and well in California — as the siblings' grandfather faces charges.

"We don't know if they want to meet with us at this point or not, but we want to be here," Mark Baskin told reporters on Thursday after he and his wife, Debbie, arrived at a San Jose airport. "We want to show them that we're serious about reunification and getting back, re-establishing a relationship with them."

"We have never stopped loving them," said Debbie Baskin. "We have never stopped praying for them, and we were absolutely blessed beyond measure to see their pictures on Monday night. That was an answered prayer just to know that they were alive."

Debbie Baskin’s father, Marvin Maple, 73, was arrested Monday in San Jose after police received tips following a story published about the family in the San Diego Tribune. He is expected to be extradited to Tennessee to face charges of kidnapping.

"He didn't like the story because he felt it was an unfair representation of him. He told several of his companions," Sgt. Dan Goodwill of the Rutherford County sheriff's office in Tennessee told the Associated Press. "Turned out two or three of them actually had a conscience and got in touch with us."

Investigators allege that Maple and his wife disappeared with the children, who were eight and seven at the time, on March 1, 1989, from Murfreesboro, Tenn. His wife has since died.

Goodwill said Maple had been living under the name of John Bunting. The children, now 27 and 28, are also living in San Jose, authorities say.

Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, said the Maples had made a number of allegations against the parents, including that they were involved in Satanism, but an investigation found no evidence of abuse.

[totallytoddler]

Shit Whisp...that just made me cry my frickin eyes out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[totallytoddler]

Ya know....I dont know why I havent thought to tell you guys this before...........but my cousin was abducted by his whore of a mother ...this was seriously like over 20 yrs ago. She left my uncle, and took the then 1 yr old boy and high tailed it out of Chicago.
He would track her down and she would move again, and again, and again.
She had no legal right to do this and it was in fact parental abduction.

He followed leads from state to state...for years...and it would end up the same...the bitch would run!
After many years....he sort of gave up actively searching.

So check THIS out....gotta love the internet....a couple years ago...my brother..and my other cousin (missing cousins sister)...did an investigation of their OWN............and found him! Guess where?? None other than FLORIDA! Yep...you guessed it!
AND...the mother was telling him the whole time that the Dad didnt want him and was a piece of shit...the whole time!

So .........after all was said and done.......he left his mother and moved to Chicago to be reunited with his DAD and sister!!!!! YEAH!

Oh..and he hates his Mom by the way!
We never thought he was in danger or anything....she just wanted to keep him from my Uncle.

Just thought I would share!

[Harley_Tech]

OK, here are some questions that I would be asking and investigating:

Was the father actually AT work all the time leading up to this child going missing. Have LE talked to his employer and verified that he was there for his entire shift? Statistically HE is more likely to have harmed his daughter than any other person.

Who has keys to this trailer? Were locks changed after the last resident left? Who else in the trailer has keys? Did the cousin that the father argued with have keys?

How is it possible that the girlfriend found the clothes in the trailer if the trailer is considered a crime scene and they are not allowed into it? I really doubt the girlfriend found the shirt that Haleigh was supposed to have been wearing. More likely is that LE found it. The Ex/Child's mother is the one "reporting" that the girlfriend found the shirt....Her "reports" are of no investigative value IMO.

The grandmother made a statement "finding the shirt indicates that someone changed Haleigh into fresh clean clothes before they left the house." Grandma...STFU and let LE do their jobs....you are not helping by attempting to place blame on the GF you don't like...

IMO, neither the father or the GF show any real emotion at the loss of this child.

If you believe the stats found on TES web site, there is about an 80% chance this child will be found within between 300' and a 1/2 mile of the last place she was seen and after 10 days, she will not be found alive.

If she is found alive, I'd bet Morbid's couch against a dollar that she is found with that cousin that the father argued with. He HAS to know about this story and is nowhere to be found. That is called hiding. He HAS to know by now that LE wants to hear from him and he is not coming forward.

Someone...anyone explain to me why one child was taken and the others in the house were not....

Given that ONE child is missing, that to me suggest that there was some sort of "discipline" issue that went very wrong and this child was killed, hidden, and the house staged to "look" like an abduction. Or, while the GF was out of the house something happened to the child, the GF returned and to find the child dead and again the home was staged to like like an abduction.

The GF's story is not stable or consistent in any way that I have seen. RED FLAG

No matter what ends up being the truth, child missing for 10 days does not end with a happy reunion in but maybe on in 100 cases. I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.

Maybe I've been reading DD to long and am Jaded (random Hot Mom :hello:reference).

R

[malq]

If you believe the stats found on TES web site, there is about an 80% chance this child will be found within between 300' and a 1/2 mile of the last place she was seen and after 10 days, she will not be found alive.

That's about all that its boiling down to.
Also,what is the real story with the 17 y/o?
Too many different stories coming out about where she was.her stories have not matched.

[Whisper]

"""""""""as harley said""""""""""""""""""""If she is found alive, I'd bet Morbid's couch against a dollar that she is found with that cousin that the father argued with. He HAS to know about this story and is nowhere to be found. That is called hiding. He HAS to know by now that LE wants to hear from him and he is not coming forward. Heres another child taken by her uncle on her dads side.And then Brookes step dads also arrested later on.So I hope they find her cousin soon The Murder of Brooke Bennett: We Must Get Serious About Protecting Our Children

An affidavit released by Orange County District Court in Vermont contains testimony from a 14-year-old girl who says deceased 12-year-old Brooke Bennett was being trained to be used for sexual acts. The unidentified witness state's that Bennett's uncle, Michael Jacques, 42 , and stepfather, Ray Gagnon, 40, were forcing the girl into something they called the "Breckenridge Program." Bennett and the witness were reportedly two of the three girls being prepared by the men to be used sexually Jul-2-08 7:15pm
(July 2, 2008) Brooke Bennett, who was last seen alive June 25, 2008, was found dead today by Vermont State Police. This is the latest chapter in a story that grows more bizzarre as it unfolds. It began when the 12-year-old girl went missing, sparking a search for the pretty young girl with green eyes. It wasn't long before Bennett's uncle, Michael Jacques, was arrested for an unrelated sexual assault case and later charged also in this case the girl's stepfather was then arrested Tuesday, July 1 , These cases almost always end up with close friend or family member doing the killing/abducting etc,and heres another one where "uncles are involved" not saying all uncles do that just mean they were close to family so the trend continues

[totallytoddler]

Ok...so....this cousin is missing? The one the daddy supposedly argued with? Because the daddy said today he did not argue with anyone about anything....THAT I didnt believe...he did not want to talk about him and his personal life...just finding his daughter.
Well..I think his personal life will help with info to find his daughter!
I hate to say it too...regardless of statistics....it has just been too long since she has been gone.

I know Elisabeth Smart was found and others too....but its just not likely...and that is so sad for me to say.

And as far as why did the girl get taken and not the other child (boy)?? That leads me to believe that it was a perv sex offender and he liked little girls.
And if it was one person...acting alone...how many kids could he possibly carry???

For some reason I tend to believe the Dad..he was at work..I really do...but I do not believe GF is completly truthful...........cant be. It just doesnt make sense.

And havent they extended that search beyond 300 feet to a mile?

Please come home Haleigh...I am praying hard for you baby girl!!!! :pray:

[Whisper]

DADS uncles missing TT

[Sister Iroz]

Misty Croslin, 17, was at the Putnam County Sheriff's Office and would be returning home, said Sheriff Jeff Hardy during a press conference Thursday afternoon. Hardy wouldn't discuss why Croslin was with officers, except that investigators continue to re-interview people and conduct polygraphs in the case of missing Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings.

So they talked to Misty again yesterday afternoon Thursday the 19th.


Meantime, officers arrested a registered sexual predator Thursday who had been living within a mile of Haleigh's home but said they had no information tying him to the girl's disappearance.

Timothy Randolph Loucakis, 50, who wears a GPS tracking device, was not at his home Wednesday night and violated his curfew, said Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy. The same device also showed Loucakis was not in the area of Haleigh's home the night of her disappearance.

Loucakis was questioned hours after Haleigh was reported missing and allowed his home to be searched. Hardy said a search team will be checking the area he went to when he violated his curfew last night.

Loucakis is one of 44 sexual offenders in the area who have been interviewed by law enforcement officials.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090220/ARTICLES/902201011/1002?Title=Girlfriend-talks-with-investigators-again-in-Haleigh-case
I hope they check the area he went to really well, leave no stone unturned

[DarkPrincess]

If that was Haleigh in TN, I wonder where he's headed with her. A lot of major highways connect in Knoxville but if this person's smart, he'll avoid those.

[SoUncool]

http://www.wztv.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/3b8f74b4-www.fox17.com.shtml


SATSUMA, Fla. (AP) -- Authorities in Florida are treating the disappearance of a 5-year-old girl as an abduction, and they've had a lot of questions for her father's girlfriend -- who was supposed to be watching the child.

Haleigh Cummings was being watched by 17-year-old Misty Croslin when she vanished. Croslin tells NBC's "Today" show that the suggestions that she had left the house are simply wrong. She says she called police as soon as she realized Haleigh was missing.

Asked about a tip police received that a relative of hers in Tennessee might have something to do with it, Croslin says the man "has been in trouble his whole life" and she does not trust him.

[Sister Iroz]

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo35/Special2bme/1_20090216114221949_320_240.jpgHaleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, told investigators his daughter was missing when he returned home from work around 3 a.m. Tuesday. Ronald said his girlfriend was awake and frantic that Haleigh was missing from her bed.

Croslin has responded to the allegations by the tipsters and said they are lying. Croslin is adamant that she was there at the home with Haleigh and says no one can say she wasn't there.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021809reward_for_info

[totallytoddler]

I am sorry....but just from looking at this pic of our adorable Haleigh above.....there is no way this girl is only 36 inches tall and 39 lbs. (IMO) I have said it before....that just seems TOO small for a 5 1/2 yr old to be...I know all kids are different but that seems really small.

My 3 yr old is 39 inches tall and 40 lbs (just turned 3)....so Haleigh's as small as a 3 yr old?
Makes is tough to find her if they dont have correct description. Anyone else with a 3,4,5 yr old girl care to share their height and weight to compare???

Again...I know all kids are different sizes....I just want her to be found....safe. :pray:

[totallytoddler]

Ok...I posted this in the other Haleigh thread but wanted to post it here too in case you dont go over there:

I am sorry....but just from looking at this pic of our adorable Haleigh above.....there is no way this girl is only 36 inches tall and 39 lbs. (IMO)I have said it before....that just seems TOO small for a 5 1/2 yr old to be...I know all kids are different but that seems really small.

My 3 yr old is 39 inches tall and 40 lbs (just turned 3)....so Haleigh's as small as a 3 yr old?
Makes is tough to find her if they dont have correct description. Anyone else with a 3,4,5 yr old girl care to share their height and weight to compare???

Again...I know all kids are different sizes....I just want her to be found....safe. :pray:

[penelopejo]

I've said it before, yes, my daughter is the same height and weight as this little girl and my daughter is 3(turned 3 today). She is really small for a 5 year old. But i think they said she had some disease that makes them smaller. I just hope to God that she is in TN with other family members and not in harms way.

[totallytoddler]

I've said it before, yes, my daughter is the same height and weight as this little girl and my daughter is 3(turned 3 today). She is really small for a 5 year old. But i think they said she had some disease that makes them smaller. I just hope to God that she is in TN with other family members and not in harms way.

Ok...well first of all Happy Birthday to PJ's little 3 yr old!:birthday:

And thats RIGHT! They mentioned some kind of Turners disease...I dont even know what that is...but I didnt know it effected her height and weight....good to know...thanks! That poor little thing...I wonder if she is supposed to be on any kind of medication...that needs to be taken daily...they havent mentioned that...but you never know.

I am gonna try to get some info on this disease and post if I find!

[totallytoddler]

Ok...this is what I found:

Common symptoms of Turner syndrome include:

Short stature
Lymphedema (swelling) of the hands and feet
Broad chest (shield chest) and widely-spaced nipples
Low hairline
Low-set ears
Reproductive sterility
Rudimentary ovaries gonadal streak (underdeveloped gonadal structures)
Amenorrhea, or the absence of a menstrual period
Increased weight, obesity
Shield shaped thorax of heart
Shortened metacarpal IV (of hand)
Small fingernails
Characteristic facial features
Webbing of the neck (webbed neck)
Coarctation of the aorta
Poor breast development
Horseshoe kidney
Visual impairments sclera, cornea, glaucoma, etc.
Ear infections and hearing loss.
Other symptoms may include a small lower jaw (micrognathia), cubitus valgus (turned-out elbows), soft upturned nails, palmar crease and drooping eyelids. Less common are pigmented moles, hearing loss, and a high-arch palate (narrow maxilla). Turner syndrome manifests itself differently in each female affected by the condition, and no two individuals will share the same symptoms.


[edit] Risk factors
Risk factors for Turner syndrome are not well known. Nondisjunctions increase with maternal age, such as for Down syndrome, but that effect is not clear for Turner syndrome. It is also unknown if there is a genetic predisposition present that causes the abnormality, though most researchers and doctors treating Turners women agree that this is highly unlikely. There is currently no known cause for Turner syndrome, though there are several theories surrounding the subject.

[totallytoddler]

Ok...so "short stature"...............but that could be a side effect of any disease in general....or they just dont know how tall she is?? I dont know...since she has an illness....when was her last doctors visit...I would like her height and weight of that last visit.
I'm just sayin'.

Any of the other symptoms...I guess we really would not know those about her....it says all girls exibit only some and not all the same.
Poor little girl......but I wonder about medication.

[KiKi]

a 25 year old man with a 17 year old girlfriend is just gross.

I'm sorry, but how is this gross? I am 18 and my boyfriend is 26. That is the same age difference of 17 and 25. I find nothing wrong with that. It is only years difference. There could be worse. My dad is 41 and my step-mom is 27. What part of 17 and 25 is gross to you?

[totallytoddler]

I'm sorry, but how is this gross? I am 18 and my boyfriend is 26. That is the same age difference of 17 and 25. I find nothing wrong with that. It is only years difference. There could be worse. My dad is 41 and my step-mom is 27. What part of 17 and 25 is gross to you?

My husband is 6 years younger than me (Yeah ME) LOL......I dont think its gross........I think its DELICIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheer2:

I think people might just have a problem because she is technically "a minor".

The only problem I have with this story is a 5 yr old little girl is missing.

[KiKi]

The only problem I have with this story is a 5 yr old little girl is missing.

I couldn't agree with you more!

[Turtletop]

Just wanted to say that my best friend has a 16 yr old daughter that has Turner syndrome that Haleigh supposedly has.

Me friend never even knew that her daughter had this until she was older and never started her period. Her daughter is VERY tiny her whole life. The symptoms are short stature, short webbed like neck and they do not develope and mature as most young girls do. They usually do not have boobs and most never have a period and can not reproduce. There is no "illness" that would cause her to miss school as they have stated.

THis would explain why she is so tiny at 5 yrs old. The way this is usually detected is by the growh charts that are done when you take your child to their well check ups. They grow very slowly and usually never get over 5 ft tall.

My daughter just turned 4 and still wears 3t clothes. When she was 2 they actually tested her for this because she was very tiny for her age and was not gaining any weight. But I am only 5ft and weigh 115lbs so she is just gonna be small like me.

You all should do a little research on this it is actually very interesting. It has to do with the chromosomes where the girls chromosomes are not complete and almost make a boy chromosome..

My point in all this is that little Haleigh would have to take hormone shots to make her grow and produce, but other than that this is not an excuse for her to miss alot of school.

My best friends daughter never knew she had it and they did not test her until she was older and it was to late to start with the hormone shots.

[totallytoddler]

Thanks Turtle...and glad to see you! Yea...I looked it up and posted some of the symptoms in the other thread. I didnt know anything about it. But I DO wonder now why she missed all the school...isnt she just in kindergarten????

[Turtletop]

As far as the medicine goes I am sure that it would not be life threatening for her to not have it everyday. I think that she would just need to have hormone shots administered regularly (monthly). My friends daughter didnt have any symptoms from this so it was in detected for 16 yrs. She is now to old to start the hormone shots and it wouldnt help her grow or develop any because of her age.

I pray that they find Haleigh and she is safe. I honestly feel that there is some deception from the GF and she is hindering the search efforts by not being truthful from day one. If she had been truthful maybe Haleigh could have already been found. The longer she carried her lies the more danger she is putting Haleigh in and I think she should be held accountable for it if this turns out to be the case.

I will not stop praying for her safe return!

[LocalCelebrity]

How solid is the lead that Haleigh MAY have been spotted with the cousin? And WHY wasnt he tracked down and interviewed by LE LAST week? I hope they find her safe but it isnt looking good. I have a 6 year old little girl....couldnt imagine going through this. I wake up several times at night (due to a very small bladder) and always peak in on her. Ugh.... :banghead:

[MadmamainNC]

KiKi, it's not gross. At 15 or 16 yes. But even at 17, this girl should be living her life.
What bothers me is that she is raising this goobers children. I don't think she was cared for much growing up either.
Also, its one thing to have a child at this age where it's your responsibility. Not easy either and many a teen mother (who love their babies) have had moments of regret for not being able to have fun. So I can imagine having to be someones 24/7 daycare at that age.
This desire to be a teen may have driven her to do something stupid if she did leave the house.

[Whisper]

Joseph Duncan travelled very close to home with Shasta & Dylan and then after killing Dylan even closer with Shasta until he got so comfy he took her to Dennys.I wonder if they have camping grounds and cottages all checked out.Im sure they do but Duncan seemed to stay in log cabins where the owners were only there seasonal.He hid in alot of bushs,mountains and cabins .Theres just millions of places to look and only so many people and so much time .In a perfect world this would be done on 60 minutes like CSI,

[Castille]

KiKi, it's not gross. At 15 or 16 yes. But even at 17, this girl should be living her life.
What bothers me is that she is raising this goobers children. I don't think she was cared for much growing up either.
Also, its one thing to have a child at this age where it's your responsibility. Not easy either and many a teen mother (who love their babies) have had moments of regret for not being able to have fun. So I can imagine having to be someones 24/7 daycare at that age.
This desire to be a teen may have driven her to do something stupid if she did leave the house.

I've known girls who seemed strikingly like Misty. Crappy home life, few resources, no prospects past high school. The ones I knew spent their lives having no control, watching people fuck around, having the grunt work of taking care of things and people in their homes that the adults making the rules and holding the purse strings should've been doing, and wanted to be serious and most importantly, be taken seriously. They were more than happy to play house out on their own, and immensely enjoyed the feeling of being adult, independent of their families, and important. She gets to have her house, her kids, her kitchen, the meals she makes - and money to grocery shop for them! The satisfaction from the feeling of being in control of some aspects of her own life, making decisions - for her and others, and independence is signifigant. Not every girl would feel burdened or trapped in this situation and the thing is, when a girl's grand life plan amounted to getting an unskilled job, getting married and raising babies.... I don't know that there's anything wrong with escaping their birth families, getting out there and making it happen.

[akika666]

KiKi, it's not gross. At 15 or 16 yes. But even at 17, this girl should be living her life.
What bothers me is that she is raising this goobers children. I don't think she was cared for much growing up either.
Also, its one thing to have a child at this age where it's your responsibility. Not easy either and many a teen mother (who love their babies) have had moments of regret for not being able to have fun. So I can imagine having to be someones 24/7 daycare at that age.
This desire to be a teen may have driven her to do something stupid if she did leave the house.

Kids mature at vastly different ages, but I know that personally, I couldn't be trusted to be responsible for a spider plant when I was 17. I made such boneheaded decisions at that age, I'm surprised I'm still alive (hitch hiking, getting into strangers' Winnebagos - everybody say hey!) Thank God no children were depending on me, yikes!

[Sister Iroz]

2:36 The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is releasing little information about "Joe," Misty Croslin's relative who she and Haleigh Cummings' family members said was in Satsuma around the time Haleigh vanished. But it is disputing rumors that he is a pedophile.

"As far as we know, he is not a sex offender," said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

Greenwood also confirmed that investigators spoke to Joe at his home in Tennessee but would not release other details, including his last name, where he lives in Tennessee and whether he was in Satsuma recently.

The Sheriff's Office was to hold a news conference at 3 p.m. Check back for updates.

1:26 Haleigh's grandmother and aunt said they have heard reports that a cousin of Misty Croslin's might be a pedophile, but they haven't received any definitive information to that effect.

At a televised news conference, Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother, said she never met the cousin, who she thinks is named Joe and lives in Tennessee.

Neves and her daughter, Crystal Cummings, said that Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, has spent most of Friday indoors.

"It's been a rough day for him," she said.

They also say they don't know what sort of tip prompted dozens of investigators to search a wooded area near Haleigh's home today.

Croslin, the last person to see Haleigh before the 5-year old vanished 11 days ago, appeared on the Today show this morning and answered questions about her involvement in the case.

In recent days, rumors have circulated about a relative of Croslin's who was in Satsuma at the time of Haleigh's disappearance but has since returned to Tennessee, and officials with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office have confirmed that they have spoken with the man. Today host Matt Lauer asked Croslin, 17, whether she thought the relative had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

"I really don't know. I don't know if he did or not," Croslin said.

"That's an interesting way to answer the question," Lauer responded. "I think that a lot of people might say that, 'No, I'm positive that person had nothing to do with Haleigh.' "

"I'm not quite sure at all. No. ... He's a criminal, pretty much; he's been in trouble his whole life. I don't trust him," Croslin replied, adding that she hasn't spoken to the relative since he left Satsuma.

Lauer also asked Croslin about a pink shirt that Croslin initially told detectives Haleigh was wearing the night she vanished. Sheriff's officials now say that they have the shirt and don't know what Haleigh was wearing when she disappeared, but have not elaborated further.

Croslin told Lauer that she found the shirt when detectives took her back to the double-wide trailer she shared with Haleigh's father and his two children.

"I was looking by the dirty clothes for the clothes she was wearing earlier in the day for school, and I found that shirt, and I showed the detectives," Croslin said. "If I was hiding something, why would I show the cops the shirt?"

Croslin also denied that she left the trailer at some point during the night Haleigh disappeared. The Sheriff's Office has confirmed that it is investigating a tip claiming to that effect.

"I was home. I was home. I don't know where anyone come up with I wasn't home. I was home," Croslin said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-croslin-today-show-022009,0,7668823.story

[Whisper]

When I was 17 and had my daughter my husband was 24.Whats the big deal its not like shes 12 and hes 18.I dont understand the hoopla about age differences as long as its not a child and a adult.I think the more important fact is that Haleighs gone and once again its a close friend/relative thats on the run.All I care about is she on the run with him?? (against her will) is she o.k?? Is she warm??Is she hungry??If so then drop her of somewhere and keep on running yourself if you want to do that all your life.If you want to live looking over your shoulder do it but drop her somewhere safe!! Take her to emerg room leave her at the door,send her in whatever and then run all you want.Just b/c this is the life you have choosen to lead doesnt make it the one Haleighs got to lead.So if you now find yourself in a position and no clue how to get out of it then please start by dropping Haleigh off somewhere safe and then figure your own plan out but dont hurt her b/c you have choosen this path.

[totallytoddler]

When I was 17 and had my daughter my husband was 24.Whats the big deal its not like shes 12 and hes 18.I dont understand the hoopla about age differences as long as its not a child and a adult.I think the more important fact is that Haleighs gone and once again its a close friend/relative thats on the run.All I care about is she on the run with him?? (against her will) is she o.k?? Is she warm??Is she hungry??If so then drop her of somewhere and keep on running yourself if you want to do that all your life.If you want to live looking over your shoulder do it but drop her somewhere safe!! Take her to emerg room leave her at the door,send her in whatever and then run all you want.Just b/c this is the life you have choosen to lead doesnt make it the one Haleighs got to lead.So if you now find yourself in a position and no clue how to get out of it then please start by dropping Haleigh off somewhere safe and then figure your own plan out but dont hurt her b/c you have choosen this path.
I know Whisp..I always think about that...is she safe...are they feeding her....thats so sad. I mean it makes me think of my own children and it breaks my heart. Is she allergic to certain things? Stuff like that....kidnappers wouldnt know. Why do people do this? I just dont get it.

[Whisper]

Yeah I know and as much as you try to turn your brain off for a bit ,but if you have a heart you cant.

[Whisper]

I worry about my kids and they are adults (not to me ) but I worry all the time.As soon as mine got drivers licence ,that was my last full night of sleep.Even with 1 living in OK & 1 here in University here my mom wont go to sleep until they have called and said they are home,even if its 3 am! So to have a small child missing like that and not know for days on end I cant imagine what its like.

[mousygirl]

standing by it. there is (or should be) a big maturity difference between a 25-year-old and a 17-year-old. just my opinion. a 7 year age difference isn't so much when one party isn't high school age. hey, i don't know, maybe misty is super-mature for her age.

i suppose since they "know" the crime occurred in the trailer, they'll keep it as a crime scene for much longer than the anthony house, where it had already been a month and they didn't know if it was actually a crime scene or not. i suppose too that they want to stay as close to home as possible-- i know i would if my child were missing. probably irrational but i know i'd be thinking, what if she comes home and i am not there?

[Nell]

standing by it. there is (or should be) a big maturity difference between a 25-year-old and a 17-year-old.

If the male is the 25 year old? Eh, not so much. They are kinda immature.

[Whisper]

Thats not irrational in fact I have seen and read hundreds of stories of parents of missing children that havent moved or changed phone number in 5,10,20 yrs.Also with me when I was 17 and my husband was 24 I had been "on my own" since I was 10 basically and legally since I was 15.At 15 I went to school,worked and paid my rent (had roommate).When I had Heaven at 17 I was mentally 21-23.I didnt have the traditional upbringing of mom and dad and house,relatives etc.I was left alone at 10 no hydro,no heat in the country terrified.I am not looking for pity I am only trying to show that at 17 I was a very mature 17 who had seen alot and lived through alot and I dont know this 17 yr old and I havent seen her on video so I cant judge her yet.I have pulled myself back from this a bit waiting to see what the police find and say.

[totallytoddler]

If the male is the 25 year old? Eh, not so much. They are kinda immature.

The best Oxymoron I have ever heard: Male Intelect
Sorry boys. :lollypop:

[Nell]

The best Oxymoron I have ever heard: Male Intelect
Sorry boys.

I not only live with this 26 year old but I have 4 brothers younger than me. (31)

So boys don't get mad at me, I know of which I speak. Their are exceptions but for the most part? Eh.............:dong:

[Whisper]

I deleted .It was only to be a reference as to what can happen when these child molesters/abductors start out stalking the kids and by noticing someone doing it maybe save a child from going missing by reporting it.Thats all it was for. He had been stalking children and how maybe if someone had seen anyone the trailor park but didnt really pay attention at the time.Mayber she would still be here.

[mousygirl]

If the male is the 25 year old? Eh, not so much. They are kinda immature.

LOL! good point. =)

[syngal]

:hello:Turtle!!!!!

Good to hear from you again! I missed you!:whoo::proud2:. I hope to see you around a lot more here!

Back to topic. They are keeping pretty mum on this case. Damn~ there sure are a lot of pervs in that little town! And that's just the Registered pervs.
I'd like to hear more about this "cousin" of Misti's. I know that things aren't looking too good right now for little Haleigh since it's not a case of parental abduction. I still think the g/f was out partying.
I'm sure that L.E. is checking out all the neighbors in the Trailer Park, if they're not, then they should be.
I hope that they don't bungle a valid tip like the lazy ass cop did when Roy Krunk called. In fact, he was brushed off more than once.:crazy:

[LL44]

Has anyone read that aside from cousin Joe, a reg'd sex offender has been arrested?
Timothy Robert Loucakis , on a parole violation.
Also, rumours abounding that Misty (gf) was having an affair with Ron's uncle... and that is why the trailer door was propped open... so the uncle could get in for some fun with Ronnie was at work...
Police are also getting frustrated with Misty... they were "handling her gently" (a la Casey Anthony) but are now getting pissed off at her lack of cooperation & truthfulness.
I have a horrible feeling about this. It seems the more rocks that are overturned, more evil pops out.

[SoUncool]

Has anyone read that aside from cousin Joe, a reg'd sex offender has been arrested?
Timothy Robert Loucakis , on a parole violation.
Also, rumours abounding that Misty (gf) was having an affair with Ron's uncle... and that is why the trailer door was propped open... so the uncle could get in for some fun with Ronnie was at work...
Police are also getting frustrated with Misty... they were "handling her gently" (a la Casey Anthony) but are now getting pissed off at her lack of cooperation & truthfulness.
I have a horrible feeling about this. It seems the more rocks that are overturned, more evil pops out.

The sexual predator that was arrested, was arrested for curfew violation and is not associated with her disappearance. If you have "rumors" to post, fine, they are such. Otherwise, if it's a statement from LE or such, post up a link to your source. No need to get people going with shit you say you've heard or read without something to BACK IT UP.

[SoUncool]

Figured since this is a missing/ maybe sexual molestation child thread this kinda belongs here/.Here in Windsor last few yrs teachers have been having sex with students.At my kids catholic high school the religion teacher has already had 1 trial but faces many more for being involved with at least 26 kids.In paper tonight shows how tired of it .Ateacher hasnt yet touched a child but our courts decided enough was enough.Hres a article on it.Its what the courts did BEFORE he touched any;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Dennis Irwin Schwartzentruber is a former Windsor high school teacher made to resign for viewing child pornography on the staff room computer. During his forced retirement, he sits in his car and at his bedroom window taking photos of children playing hopscotch in their bathing suits, playing at the park or just walking down the street.

Schwartzentruber, 59, was in Ontario court Thursday because of fears he will commit a sexual offence. He admits to police he has “an issue with children” and agreed with Justice Lloyd Dean when asked if there were “reasonable grounds” for the fears expressed.

Dean ordered Schwartzentruber to abide by a list of 18 conditions, including to never be alone with anyone under the age of 16 or possess any cameras. If he breaches those conditions, he would be committing a crime and could be arrested.

“The risk to the community, specifically the children, has been ongoing,” said assistant Crown attorney Elizabeth Brown, who detailed in court the litany of disturbing behaviour reported by parents, neighbours and finally, police officers who started tailing him last summer.

Schwartzentruber travels throughout the city, stopping at parks, libraries or any other place where children congregate. He watches them through binoculars, takes their pictures or videotapes them. “It’s many incidences in many locations throughout the city of Windsor,” Brown said.

A parent who spotted Schwartzentruber leering at children through binoculars at a city park reported him to police in 2003. The Greater Essex County District School Board checked Schwartzentruber’s Internet use at school and discovered his penchant for child pornography. He lost his job in 2003 and his teacher’s certificate the following year.

In an interview with The Star in 2004, he admitted having “a problem,” and said he was getting psychiatric help.

But he has continued to stalk kids, the latest complaints coming from parents in his neighbourhood in late September.

In the last complaint, Schwartzentruber was in the second-floor bedroom window of his Lincoln Road home. He was taking photos of children playing in the front yard across the street. They had just been swimming and were playing hopscotch in their bathing suits.

“We called police,” neighbour Sherry Tomlin told The Star after Schwartzentruber’s court appearance. Tomlin’s husband rushed to the children and had them get out of Schwartzentruber’s view.

Two neighbours took the day off work to attend Schwartzentruber’s court appearance Thursday. “We have to protect our children,” said Sherri Menard. Neighbours, many who send their children to Hugh Beaton school nearby, have circulated a photograph of Schwartzentruber.

“We’ve all been watching and we will keep watching,” said Ken Cooney.

If Schwartzentruber breaks any conditions, he will have to pay $1,000 and could be charged criminally for breach of recognizance which carries a maximum jail term of two years.


Dennis Schwartzentruber as seen in a 1992 year book photo.
Photograph by: Handout, The Windsor Star
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To bad they dont do this in all cities,lurkers become molesters,,almost all start out "just looking"
sorry its so long,,just trying to show how sick he is stalking VERY YOUNG children.Wonder if anyone stalked Haleigh?Family member or just someone out therebefore she went missing?

You need to start a NEW thread unless it has something to do with the missing child THIS thread is about. This is not the right place for it. THIS thread is only about Haleigh Cummings.

[Smore9564]

I've been a little MIA as we've had some company in town.

I heard from a friend that this thread was started for us and I thank you. I will no longer be going to the other one.. so thank you for putting your posts in here too!!!

Turtle (hugs) hows things? we've missed you.

Its weird.. my husband would get so frusterated with me being so involved in the Caylee thread. and he cant stand NG..but with Haleigh, he's actually has thoughts/concerns/input. We sat down for dinner last night and he wasnt please with how something BBQ'd.. then he looked at the tv and said.. I bet he'd give anything to eat a burnt dinner with his daughter! :sad:

[solange82200]

Thank you Whisper for that post, I had never heard of that. And I appreciate you posting it HERE, although it's not directly related to Haleigh, it sheds some light on how we can stop these monsters from doing this to other children. :)

[Silvahalo]

I was just thinking about Haleigh and so many others like her. They are here one day, leading the lives they are given, then suddenly with a door left ajar...they are gone. Just gone......

It just kills me. I know there are so many yet to meet the same fate.

So sorry Haleigh.:dong:

[Whisper]

Isnt that weird when they react to something like that?The heart sticker on CAYLEE s mouth got my husband.We were walking through the store and all the V-Day things were out and he said he couldnt look at them without thinking of her.

[Peeperann]

Was so hoping to come here this evening and find good news, or just any news on Haleigh. But again, nothing. Every hour that slips away makes it that much worse.

We all know here that if they're not found within 36 hours, it usually means they won't be found alive. It's been what, 11 or 12 days now?

God bless you little Haleigh.........

[totallytoddler]

Was so hoping to come here this evening and find good news, or just any news on Haleigh. But again, nothing. Every hour that slips away makes it that much worse.

We all know here that if they're not found within 36 hours, it usually means they won't be found alive. It's been what, 11 or 12 days now?

God bless you little Haleigh.........

Yea its not looking good Peep......and I just can buy into that "sighting"...there were so many Caylee sightings.....I would SO love to be wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!!
She's somewhere.....I cant even imagine how hard it must be to find her. She could be anywhere in this amount of time....anywhere.

[Peeperann]

Yea its not looking good Peep......and I just can buy into that "sighting"...there were so many Caylee sightings.....I would SO love to be wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!!
She's somewhere.....I cant even imagine how hard it must be to find her. She could be anywhere in this amount of time....anywhere.

Probably as a parent, I would grab onto any sighting, any hope that she was alive, but I don't buy in the sighting either. So many little girls look just alike, and who the hell would be stupid enough to take her to a public place?

You're right, it doesn't add up. I will keep praying for her safe return though.

[totallytoddler]

Probably as a parent, I would grab onto any sighting, any hope that she was alive, but I don't buy in the sighting either. So many little girls look just alike, and who the hell would be stupid enough to take her to a public place?

You're right, it doesn't add up. I will keep praying for her safe return though.

They DO...my daugher fit Caylee's description...not that she really LOOKED like her but light brown hair...hazel eyes...same height and weight and age.

But Haleigh's birthmark...she really has that going for her...it really is very distinct...I could pick her out of a crowd hands down...absolutely!

[PoongyPrincess]

What does her birthmark look like?

[SoUncool]

It is always still possible that children are found well past the 36 hr mark. Elizabeth Smart, Shawn Hornbeck, Walter Mitchell, Nicolas DiPietro, Skye J. Elliott...the list goes on. I will hold out hope that Haleigh will prove to be the exception to the 36 hr rule. I hope that I'm right.

[Peeperann]

It is always still possible that children are found well past the 36 hr mark. Elizabeth Smart, Shawn Hornbeck, Walter Mitchell, Nicolas DiPietro, Skye J. Elliott...the list goes on. I will hold out hope that Haleigh will prove to be the exception to the 36 hr rule. I hope that I'm right.

I hope you are too SU. That's what keeps all of us coming back, the hope she is going to be the exception to that rule.

Nothing would make me happier than for you to be able to tell me "Told you so"
Elizabeth and Shawn keep running thru my mind reminding me.............

[totallytoddler]

What does her birthmark look like?

Are you testing me??? LoL Its on the left side of her face...it is (to me) rather large and flat...it is really just like a discoloration...my son has a similar one on the back of his leg.
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o231/ginastuff2/haleigh.jpg
may be hard to see here...but it is in fact on the left side of her face ..as her father stated....some reports have said right side. Makes it hard to find someone when the facts arent straight!
trying to find a better pic

[totallytoddler]

Heres a better one

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa4/Maelstrom5/HaleighCummings2.jpg

[Rockin Ma]

Sometimes described as a strawberry birthmark.

[Abroad]

5. Child missed so much school that bio Mom said if missed anymore, father could be arrested. Contempt of Court entered against father on Mon 2/9 -hours before child went missing. Father didn't want to lose son, lose job, nor go to jail.

This gives me a sinking feeling........

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Fox News anchor Geraldo Rivera was issued a trespass warning after a contentious interview with the father of a missing Putnam County girl.

As the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings entered its 13th day, the county was abuzz about the contentious interview with her father Saturday night with Rivera.

Cummings got upset when Rivera said he'd been told by members of Haleigh's mother's family that Cummings hit the child and has said he is 75 percent sure he knows who has her.

Putnam County Sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene later, and issued Rivera the trespass warning at the request of the two property owners on whose land the Cummings family is camping while their trailer remains closed off as a crime scene.

A trespass warning means Rivera would be arrested if he came back onto the property. Rivera told deputies he understood and stated he would not come back to the address, but declined to sign the trespass warning, according to a sheriff’s office report.http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_fathe r

Anyone see this? He got mad because he didn't like what Rivera told him? Or was Rivera being a clown?

I doubt the dad knows who has his child. Why wouldn't he tell (or at least quietly clue in LE)?

[Castille]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/fox_anchor_banned_from_camp_of_missing_girls_fathe r

Anyone see this? He got mad because he didn't like what Rivera told him? Or was Rivera being a clown?

I doubt the dad knows who has his child. Why wouldn't he tell (or at least quietly clue in LE)?

Wow, Rivera is such an ass. Trying to drum up family driven drama in the face of tragedy this way to boost ratings is even sleazier than I routinely expect Rivera to be. My expectations for that guy really can't be set too low, can they?

[mousygirl]

partial transcript:

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html

geraldo is such a moron. why does any network even pay him?? he's not a real journalist, just a famewhore.

[Silvahalo]

partial transcript:

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html

geraldo is such a moron. why does any network even pay him?? he's not a real journalist, just a famewhore.

Yeah, I saw this, he's such a dumb ass. Agree, he's a fame whore.

[Peeperann]

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html

Honestly, if Geraldo had been in my face asking me questions like that, I don't think I could have acted as graciously as Ron Cummings did. I'd have punched him the nose!

[MichaelJCheaney]

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html)

Honestly, if Geraldo had been in my face asking me questions like that, I don't think I could have acted as graciously as Ron Cummings did. I'd have punched him the nose!

I would have hit him with a chair.....but thats just me....

[pissedoffindaytona]

I would have hit him with a chair.....but thats just me....

Man, he's lucky he didn't get his ass kicked, Geraldo could be ducking bullets soon, that's for sure, what an asshole!

[Rockin Ma]

I learned with his recent Caylee shows he was still on the air. I refuse to watch him. I hope his ratings plummet and he's taken off the air. He's just trying to get on another missing little girl wreck as quick as possible this time.

[MichaelJCheaney]

Man, he's lucky he didn't get his ass kicked, Geraldo could be ducking bullets soon, that's for sure, what an asshole!

He has ducked bullets before, he was in Iraq remember?

Its the chairs he seems to have a problem ducking away from....

-and for those of you who don't remember what i am referring to, remember the big Brawl with the white supremacists on his show in the late 80's or early 90's?

[Castille]

I would have hit him with a chair.....but thats just me....

It seems like the chair didn't get through to him. I'd aim bigger.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I'd aim bigger.
or lower.

[malq]

I would have hit him with a chair.....but thats just me....
I loved it when the skinheads broke his nose with a chair. Somehow I had that recorded on VHS.
YouTube - GERALDO RIVERA BREAKS HIS NOSE - SKINHEAD BRAWL 1988

[CorruptedMistress]

Not sure if any of this has been posted, but I found some links I don't think have been brought up or shown yet.

Geraldo's source seems to be Haleigh's mother.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

In that link, she says she was doing cocaine with Ronald, she found out she was pregnant with Haleigh and stopped. Ronald continued to do cocaine and when she confronted him about still doing it, he got angry and struck her in the back of the head. She said he constantly belittled her and she had tried to go back to him several times to be with her children, but he had never changed so she didn't stick around.

She says witnesses have seen him backhand Haleigh. They also have a picture of Haleigh, that is being verified before Fox News releases it, where she had a split lip, black eye, and additional bruising from the top of her eye to the middle of cheek. She was told that Haleigh had fallen or was pushed at school, the nurse said she only sustained a split lip. Haleigh's mom was concerned by the seemingly unexplained additional bruising and lack of skinned hands and knees.

The Examiner (http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d21-Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-says-man-in-black-took-his-sister) has an article up that says News4Jax.com reported that Crystal was told by 4-year-old son, Ronald Jr., a man dressed in black came in and took Haleigh. Crystal immediately notified police about what Junior said and he was reportedly question by a team who work with children.

Junior celebrated his birthday recently and had a heartbreaking request. He told his mom, "I want to find my sissy.”

[Sister Iroz]

In a contentious, exclusive interview outside his Florida home, Ronald Cummings, the father of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, blasted new abuse allegations and told FOX News "never, ever have I ever hit my child."

"Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF (Florida Department of Children and Families) says that you can take care of disciplining your children," Cummings told FOX News' Geraldo Rivera.

Cummings also condemned new allegations that he hit Haleigh's mom Crystal while she was pregnant, saying friends and family members making the accusations are 'absolutely lying' and threatening criminal charges against them.

Responding to sources that told Rivera Cummings had told them he was 75 percent sure who kidnapped Haleigh, the missing girl's father said, "There is no way — I do not know who took Haleigh. If I had — if I had, uh, five percent of where Haleigh was at, I would be there now and not here."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498127,00.html

[Peeperann]

or lower.

lol

[Castille]

Crystal really needs to quit rehashing her custody battle through the media in the middle of all this.

[Whisper]

Yeah but remember his Iraq experience was the same as Hillary Clinton.She said when she landed there years ago she had to take cover because they were being shot at.Then they showed her landing on tarmac with Bill and Chelsea shaking hands etc she had been bullshitting!Then Geraldo said he was under attack and he was ducking behind vehicles etc and turned out he was 1500 miles away and those sounds were sound bites fed into the track and he apologized and that was around same time as his show was cancelled I believe.

[Trish]

Geraldo Rivera Banned After Interview With Haleigh's Dad


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18774448/detail.html

I can not stand Geraldo......he is such an ASSHOLE

[Whisper]

I meant to post this here but its on the other one.I got screwed up lol'''''''He has ducked bullets before, he was in Iraq remember?

Its the chairs he seems to have a problem ducking away from....

-and for those of you who don't remember what i am referring to, remember the big Brawl with the white supremacists on his show in the late 80's or early 90's?
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Yeah but remember his Iraq experience was the same as Hillary Clinton.She said when she landed there years ago she had to take cover because they were being shot at.Then they showed her landing on tarmac with Bill and Chelsea shaking hands etc she had been bullshitting!Then Geraldo said he was under attack and he was ducking behind vehicles etc and turned out he was 1500 miles away and those sounds were sound bites fed into the track and he apologized and that was around same time as his show was cancelled I believe.
__________________

[malq]

I just found this thread. Can I hang out with you guys?
I had an old Geraldo video of him getting his nose broken by skinheads I posted on the old thread. check it out. It coming back the 17 y/o isn't it?

[totallytoddler]

I just found this thread. Can I hang out with you guys?
I had an old Geraldo video of him getting his nose broken by skinheads I posted on the old thread. check it out. It coming back the 17 y/o isn't it?

Of course you can!!!!! :lollypop:

[totallytoddler]

Hi Rhoni!!! :itsme:

[Rhoni]

Hi Malq :hello:

[malq]

I copied this from another site because it is what I was thinking. and I'm lazy



I'm curious if Misty had a key. I think it's possible she snuck out while he was at work and propped the back door open so that she could sneak back in, discreetly and unseen, before boyfriend got home. I don't know what kinds of locks they had on that back door, I'm just speculating on the possibilities, but I used to live in an apartment that had a thumb-turn-type lock on it that could only be opened from the inside (without a key). The landlord referred to it as a deadbolt. I was always afraid of accidentally getting locked out when I stepped outside, and did use a wedge when I went out in the yard.

Anyway, if someone was scouting out the home awaiting opportunity.....well, there it was.

Another possible scenario is that when she returned, something awful had happened to Haleigh in the home in her absence, and Misty covered up (possibly with help). The washing of the blanket was a red flag to me, but it could be nothing...

[Rhoni]

Malq you have to go check out the pics i posted on Caylee chat..You need a laugh we all do dealing with these cases

[hunnie]

Over on the Caylee thread.....someone....i can't recall who posted it, but they said something that Ronald Cummings was arrested ....
Is this true?....and for what???


Hey Everybody who's around....I'm trying to play catch up as usual...

And for anyone thinking about traveling to see the trail of casevil in Orlando...I live off of I-10....If you want a place to rest half way down there...just thought i would offer...You guys are more then welcome to sleep over and rest up if needed. Orlando is probably about 10 hours from me.

[syngal]

:hello:Glad to hear your posts!

I just heard that Haleigh's 4 yr. old brother said that he saw a man in black take Haleigh.
If Misty was there, as she claimed, how come she didn't see this man in black take Haleigh??!
One would think that a 4 yr. old would sleep more soundly than a 17 yr. old.

[syngal]

:hello: I just got on here myself, I haven't been to the Caylee thread yet.
That is a mighty fine offer you made for an invite for travelers going to FL!:cheers:Very generous and sweet of you! That's what makes this group so special!!

[Whisper]

x

[Whisper]

I copied this from another site because it is what I was thinking. and I'm lazy



I'm curious if Misty had a key. I think it's possible she snuck out while he was at work and propped the back door open so that she could sneak back in, discreetly and unseen, before boyfriend got home. I don't know what kinds of locks they had on that back door, I'm just speculating on the possibilities, but I used to live in an apartment that had a thumb-turn-type lock on it that could only be opened from the inside (without a key). The landlord referred to it as a deadbolt. I was always afraid of accidentally getting locked out when I stepped outside, and did use a wedge when I went out in the yard.

Anyway, if someone was scouting out the home awaiting opportunity.....well, there it was.

Another possible scenario is that when she returned, something awful had happened to Haleigh in the home in her absence, and Misty covered up (possibly with help). The washing of the blanket was a red flag to me, but it could be nothing...
Of course why would you even have to ask??:lollypop:

[Whisper]

I copied this from another site because it is what I was thinking. and I'm lazy



I'm curious if Misty had a key. I think it's possible she snuck out while he was at work and propped the back door open so that she could sneak back in, discreetly and unseen, before boyfriend got home. I don't know what kinds of locks they had on that back door, I'm just speculating on the possibilities, but I used to live in an apartment that had a thumb-turn-type lock on it that could only be opened from the inside (without a key). The landlord referred to it as a deadbolt. I was always afraid of accidentally getting locked out when I stepped outside, and did use a wedge when I went out in the yard.

Anyway, if someone was scouting out the home awaiting opportunity.....well, there it was.

Another possible scenario is that when she returned, something awful had happened to Haleigh in the home in her absence, and Misty covered up (possibly with help). The washing of the blanket was a red flag to me, but it could be nothing...
Thats a really good theory I hadnt thought of her coming home to something wrong.

[Whisper]

:hello:Glad to hear your posts!

I just heard that Haleigh's 4 yr. old brother said that he saw a man in black take Haleigh.
If Misty was there, as she claimed, how come she didn't see this man in black take Haleigh??!
One would think that a 4 yr. old would sleep more soundly than a 17 yr. old.
I read that someplace today also

[groovy135]

Over on the Caylee thread.....someone....i can't recall who posted it, but they said something that Ronald Cummings was arrested ....
Is this true?....and for what???


Hey Everybody who's around....I'm trying to play catch up as usual...

And for anyone thinking about traveling to see the trail of casevil in Orlando...I live off of I-10....If you want a place to rest half way down there...just thought i would offer...You guys are more then welcome to sleep over and rest up if needed. Orlando is probably about 10 hours from me.
Hunnie,,,,You are our Honey,,,,Thank You,,,you are sooo sweet...I can't wait to get myself to FL!!!!!!!

[totallytoddler]

Over on the Caylee thread.....someone....i can't recall who posted it, but they said something that Ronald Cummings was arrested ....
Is this true?....and for what???


Hey Everybody who's around....I'm trying to play catch up as usual...

And for anyone thinking about traveling to see the trail of casevil in Orlando...I live off of I-10....If you want a place to rest half way down there...just thought i would offer...You guys are more then welcome to sleep over and rest up if needed. Orlando is probably about 10 hours from me.

Hunnie...yes he was arrested..but not recently...not since Haleigh has been missing.....not sure if it was drugs...I think so...I dont know...maybe we can ask Joser...he has seemed to stick his dumb ass in this case too!
Maybe he can defend Misty when they find out shes a dirty little liar too!

Lynch Mob Lynch Mob!!!! (of one) Its how I roll at the Pizza Party....PALS!!!!!!
Love me or leave me! I say.....LOVE ME!!!!!! :love:

[groovy135]

LOL,,,you kill me TT....here's a little tid-bit of gossip and innuendo....

Chad Reynolds is the SO who disappeared, and whose step mother is posting over on WS. Chad Griffis or however you spell his last name, is Crystal the bio mom's finance and supposedly her step brother.

[totallytoddler]

LOL,,,you kill me TT....here's a little tid-bit of gossip and innuendo....

Chad Reynolds is the SO who disappeared, and whose step mother is posting over on WS. Chad Griffis or however you spell his last name, is Crystal the bio mom's finance and supposedly her step brother.

Ok....wait wait wait.....Crystal Sheffied bio Mom...is marrying her step brother????? Sooooo...her kids Step Dad will also be their UNCLE??? WTF?
Well....thats as trailer part as it gets YA'LL!!!!!!!!!

[totallytoddler]

Ok....so....mystery cousin "Joe" has been cleared, and creepy 50 yr old sex offender has been cleared.....however....GF...not cleared. hhhhmmmmmm.....and I just dont get the 4 yr old bro saying a man in black took Haleigh.........so he was awake?
Would he not have screamed or said SOMETHING that would have woken up the GF???? And if he was ALONE...and GF was not there and a man came in and took his sister...when GF got back would he not be all screaming and telling her?

Maybe he had a dream...hes 4 ...I cant see my 4 yr old being a witness like that.....children are very easily led....you can twist and turn a 4 yr old and confuse them very easily.

I also think too much focus is on what RC did to Crystal bio mom...and the spankings thing......deal with that later...unless they are trying to say he was abusuve and what....beat her to death??? I'm not buying it.

And I also think its weird how GF from the very beginning mentions washing a blanket that Haleigh peed on.....I dont see the relevance to mentioning that.
Unless it slipped because she a big fat liar?

Sheesh! I am getting very frustrated with this one. :confused2:

[hunnie]

:hello: I just got on here myself, I haven't been to the Caylee thread yet.
That is a mighty fine offer you made for an invite for travelers going to FL!:cheers:Very generous and sweet of you! That's what makes this group so special!!


I'm serious !! Anyone that wants to take me up on the offer.. i have a four bedroom house, 3 bathrooms...a pool if you want to swim...or the beach is only 22 minutes away..we'll go to the beach and party hee hee


Hunnie,,,,You are our Honey,,,,Thank You,,,you are sooo sweet...I can't wait to get myself to FL!!!!!!!

I would love to meet you guys, when the time draws closer, just let me know and i'll give ya the address...it's real simple...i only live 3 miles from the interstate....

[totallytoddler]

[QUOTE=hunnie;163118]I'm serious !! Anyone that wants to take me up on the offer.. i have a four bedroom house, 3 bathrooms...a pool if you want to swim...or the beach is only 22 minutes away..we'll go to the beach and party hee hee

Um....I am SO on my way!!!!!!!!!!!

[syngal]

Hunnie,:lollypop:
:flowers::congrats::adore::party::dancing2::whoo:: flame::grouphug:
Hey TT, let's roll!!!!!:five:


Your hospitality amazes me Hunnie! I imagine we could all shake up the whole State of Florida:cheers:

[DarkPrincess]

Now they're saying the little boy said a man dressed all in black came and took Haleigh.

[PoongyPrincess]

Did the boy tell LE that at the beginning of the case and they just now made it public? Or did the boy's dad or Misty prompt him to say that?

[DarkPrincess]

Did the boy tell LE that at the beginning of the case and they just now made it public? Or did the boy's dad or Misty prompt him to say that?

The bio mom Crystal said that when she got him for visitation, he told her that a man all in black came and took his sissy. It was on a Nancy Grace interview with Crystal on CNN.

[PoongyPrincess]

The bio mom Crystal said that when she got him for visitation, he told her that a man all in black came and took his sissy. It was on a Nancy Grace interview with Crystal on CNN.

Oh okay. I never check up on any of these cases myself. I just get information from here.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

... turned out he was 1500 miles away and those sounds were sound bites fed into the track and he apologized and that was around same time as his show was cancelled I believe.
I remember watching him when he was embedded with the troops. I was watching him draw things in the sand about "We are here. They are there. We're going to do this, that, yada, yada..." I thought to myself "WHAT A DUMBSHIT he's telling the plans! Isn't he afraid they are going to come bomb his ass?"

Shortly after that, he was un-embedded by the military and told he was no longer welcome. Serves him right. Wish he had been charged with something.

[MadmamainNC]

"Me and my child have an agreement. Daddy, daughter. She has been spanked on her behind the way DCF (Florida Department of Children and Families) says that you can take care of disciplining your children," Cummings told FOX News' Geraldo Rivera.

Does everyone here know their states DCF guidelines on acceptable discipline? Seems as if he was given a pamphlet at one time or another cause I sure as hell don't know what NC's guidelines are. I just know personally what isn't acceptable.

[Sister Iroz]

Investigators are following up a lead provided by the brother of a missing 5-year-old Putnam County girl that a man came into the room where she was sleeping and took her.

Putnam County sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland confirmed that officers had received the lead but didn’t provide any details except that the boy gave the report to members of a child protection team. Ronald Cummings Jr., was 3 when he was interviewed the week Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings was reported missing from her Satsuma home.

“Everything they were able to find out from him they are following up on,” Schauland said.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090224/ARTICLES/902240952/1002?Title=Haleigh-s-brother-Man-took-her-from-bedroom

[totallytoddler]

Does everyone here know their states DCF guidelines on acceptable discipline? Seems as if he was given a pamphlet at one time or another cause I sure as hell don't know what NC's guidelines are. I just know personally what isn't acceptable.

Um..I have received no such pamphlet. I have never heard of that....but being that RC has already had DCF involved with his family leads ME to believe...he had gone too far in diciplining....and received some info from them.

Wonder if when all babies are born....THAT should be one of the pamphlets that goes home with the new parents...."What NOT to do".....since most new parents dont know what TO do.....at least they will know that beating the shit out of their babies is wrong. Then they wont end up HERE!

[McQuest]

Does everyone here know their states DCF guidelines on acceptable discipline? Seems as if he was given a pamphlet at one time or another cause I sure as hell don't know what NC's guidelines are. I just know personally what isn't acceptable.

Yeah, he obviously just learned that and thats all he's admitting to.
Just like all drunk drivers only had one beer.

[Castille]

I don't know that the 4yr old's statement has much value at this point. A man in black taking away his sister seems like the sort of scenario a 4yr old would invent in his own head when understanding that his sister is gone and his family believes someone has taken her. At 4 sometimes they visualize things, then confuse that with remembering things, then it becomes their truth of sorts. Whatever he had to say the day she disappeared I'd place more value on then whatever he's come up with this far out.

[Castille]

Does everyone here know their states DCF guidelines on acceptable discipline? Seems as if he was given a pamphlet at one time or another cause I sure as hell don't know what NC's guidelines are. I just know personally what isn't acceptable.

I think they did have DCF contact. But also, when there's a custody dispute and one of the issues coming up between the 2 parties is discipline and what's appropriate, I think the state's guidelines would come up then too.

[LL44]

The sexual predator that was arrested, was arrested for curfew violation and is not associated with her disappearance. If you have "rumors" to post, fine, they are such. Otherwise, if it's a statement from LE or such, post up a link to your source. No need to get people going with shit you say you've heard or read without something to BACK IT UP.

Thanks for the public flogging, So Uncool. I had read the info on another site & wanted to share it. Last time I posted a link to another blog, I was also publicly flogged for THAT.

I'll keep my "contributions" to myself... as I must've forgotten to read the non-existent manual whereupon I can only post things that are 100% verified by LE OR have a direct link NOT to another blog.

I guess all these other people on here speculating, guessing, and discussing also need to read that non-existent manual. Make sure you share your same informative and enlightening message with them too.

Have a GREAT day. (do I need to BACK THAT UP with a quote?)

[Peeperann]

Aw LL44, it's ok. Just post what you'd like and try to put a link in if you can. Morbid has already addressed that no member can tell another member what, when and where to post.

Some people were just having an off day. It happens to all of us. So it's all good now.

[Castille]

I guess all these other people on here speculating, guessing, and discussing also need to read that non-existent manual. Make sure you share your same informative and enlightening message with them too.



I think it's pretty clear when people here are speculating - I mean, that's virutally the entire thread, right? I think this is probably the questionable quote of yours -

Police are also getting frustrated with Misty... they were "handling her gently" (a la Casey Anthony) but are now getting pissed off at her lack of cooperation & truthfulness.

It's one thing to speculate and swap rumors, really. It's another thing to attribute damaging things like that the law enforcement without backing it up. I haven't read, and don't need, a manual to see that.

[Kitty]

Thanks for the public flogging, So Uncool. I had read the info on another site & wanted to share it. Last time I posted a link to another blog, I was also publicly flogged for THAT.

I'll keep my "contributions" to myself... as I must've forgotten to read the non-existent manual whereupon I can only post things that are 100% verified by LE OR have a direct link NOT to another blog.

I guess all these other people on here speculating, guessing, and discussing also need to read that non-existent manual. Make sure you share your same informative and enlightening message with them too.

Have a GREAT day. (do I need to BACK THAT UP with a quote?)

I don't want to be mean or snarky but as a reminder: The information is actually linked at the top of ALL forum pages.
http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12061


If you would like to contribute to this awesome site, and would like to do so by posting some news that is not on the front page, by all means do it.

However, I would ask that you follow a few very, very simple guidelines.
Before posting your story, do a quick search and make sure it hasn't been done already. We know that there will be cases when someone "beats" another to a story, but in a lot of cases a dupe thread was created because a search wasn't conducted. We get grumpy when we have to merge threads all day...it takes away from us sending out our nude pics.

1. Provide a brief description with a link, bonus points if ya' got a mugshot.
2. Do not post entire articles from another news site
3. Try to make the title indicative of what's inside.
4. Even more bonus points if you include the name of the subject in the title.
5. Had to add this...while we love blogs, we need posts in Reality Bites to come from news sites only UNLESS there are no news sites reporting on the story.
BAM! Done! See, completely painless.

Have a wonderful day! ~Kitty
PS I realize that this says Reality Bites, but I believe it's meant to carry to all topics. Sorry for the confusion /glares at Morbid:hello:

[LL44]

Thanks Peeper. However when I DID post a link last time I got b*tched out for that, too. sigh
Can't make everyone happy, I guess. I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring on the Haleigh stuff, not expecting my hat to get stomped on.
But I get it - everyone has an off day. I caught a student who smuggled a cat to school in her backpack today and a Gr. 8 student attempting to flush a Gr. 4 student's head in a toilet shortly thereafter.

So - speculating again - if Ronald says he's 75% certain who took Haleigh... why is he not telling? Or going after the person himself?

[LL44]

I think it's pretty clear when people here are speculating - I mean, that's virutally the entire thread, right? I think this is probably the questionable quote of yours -

It's one thing to speculate and swap rumors, really. It's another thing to attribute damaging things like that the law enforcement without backing it up. I haven't read, and don't need, a manual to see that.

I read this elsewhere.... and passed it on.

[LL44]

Thanks Kitty... but several news sources WERE reporting on the arrested sex offender . As for Misty's affair - that came from a blog - and wasn't reported in the news (a la point #5) ... so where does that qualify?
Share? Don't share?

Anyways - before the blasting begins that this is taking away from Haleigh (which it is) - I just thought I'd make it clear, if I hadn't already... that I am relatively new, an infrequent poster & thought I was sharing something of interest.

No worries, though.... I'll come back to read, but have lost my "taste" for posting/sharing. Can live w/o that drama.

[Rhoni]

I'm serious !! Anyone that wants to take me up on the offer.. i have a four bedroom house, 3 bathrooms...a pool if you want to swim...or the beach is only 22 minutes away..we'll go to the beach and party hee hee



need a roomie??!! lol..I can be packed and ready to go in no time!!!! :wink2:

[Rhoni]

Hunnie,:lollypop:
:flowers::congrats::adore::party::dancing2::whoo:: flame::grouphug:
Hey TT, let's roll!!!!!:five:


Your hospitality amazes me Hunnie! I imagine we could all shake up the whole State of Florida:cheers:

I agree her hospitality is AWESOME!!! There are so many cool people in our social group..I love you guys I am serious..I have never met any of you but someday I will I am sure of it and I can't wait....

[CorruptedMistress]

True crime blogs do not like others using their 'material'. I am sure there is a post somewhere in the mailbag about another blogger who accused DreaminDemon of using their 'exclusive' pictures. It all originated because someone had the whole blog posted and just a link from that specific blog as their source in Reality Bites.

That story was then front paged, which I think caused that little bit of beef between them and us.

I don't think it would cause much harm to just say "So and so on this site is saying this..." And then add your point into the mix if you can't find it mentioned anywhere else. This is a discussion board after all and this is a rather popular story, there are bound to be many people interested in what is coming out, especially with what Crystal has been telling the media.

I would just make sure that you verify that as far as you know, it is a rumor and not being reported as an actual finding.

[Morgana]

If there were foot prints of the little girl and she is scared of the dark and the door was propped open, then obviously she was coached quietly from her bed and walked outside by someone she KNEW.
A 17 year old waiting for her man to get home wasn't sleeping that soundly, trust me, her hormones are raging...! Everyone's in the same bed, an intruder wouldn't choose those odds and right before the father was due home. An intruder is more likely to take from the yard. The babysitter is involved. And the entire "brick" thing that makes the story odd, is element to my opinion...it's dumb, bears no real signifigance except to a 17 year old who thinks it would be a MINDFUCK! "the doors never open, and this brick is there suddenly holding it open!" An intruder would not leave the door open either asshole! I want to see her polygraph, oh, did she take one.... yeah...

[SoUncool]

Thanks for the public flogging, So Uncool. I had read the info on another site & wanted to share it. Last time I posted a link to another blog, I was also publicly flogged for THAT.

I'll keep my "contributions" to myself... as I must've forgotten to read the non-existent manual whereupon I can only post things that are 100% verified by LE OR have a direct link NOT to another blog.

I guess all these other people on here speculating, guessing, and discussing also need to read that non-existent manual. Make sure you share your same informative and enlightening message with them too.

Have a GREAT day. (do I need to BACK THAT UP with a quote?)

OMFG...what is it with everyone being so sensitive these days??? If you can back it up, back it up. If you read it somewhere else, say you did and where you read it. You just should avoid posting "stories" from other blogs and should post those from news sources. Geez, Louise!

Once again, I was not mean in any way. This is the INTERNET for gawd's sake. You have no idea what my tone was in what I wrote. You just read it the way you thought it sounded. I never even thought for a second about that what I posted would be taken the wrong way.

Truly unbelievable, holy crap...

[Peeperann]

OK, so i've been doped up on pain meds after seeing the oral surgeon yesterday, has there been any news, any at all on Haleigh? I wasn't able to watch any tv so missed all the news shows.

It's just been so long now.............

[Castille]

OMFG...what is it with everyone being so sensitive these days??? If you can back it up, back it up. If you read it somewhere else, say you did and where you read it. You just should avoid posting "stories" from other blogs and should post those from news sources. Geez, Louise!


My sister yells at people when she inadvertantly hurts their feelings too. <snicker> But I promise I'm not particularly sensitive, or I'd restrict myself to icanhazcheeseburger.com. That's what I did when I was pregnant and would cry at the kleenex commercials anyway ;)

[Peeperann]

Last i'm gonna say on this. Some people are new, they don't realize that we have all different kinds of personalities on here. They lurk for a long time and then when they get the guts to finally post, and get shot down, makes them want to leave and not come back.

On the other hand, everyone has the right to post, bitch, complain whatever it is they want. It is hard to understand a tone in writing, I get that, and that's why I usually just ignore it if I think i'm getting bitched out, and because I really don't care if I am.

So everyone get your big girl panties on and get on with it!!

[Silvahalo]

Forgive me if this has already been posted. I'm not on here ever day as some of you are.

'Man In Black' Took Haleigh Cummings, Brother Told Police
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html


Haleigh Cummings' little brother told police a man dressed all in black snuck into her room and snatched the 5-year-old Florida girl from her bed, a TV news Web site reported.

Crystal Sheffield, the children's mother, said Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, Jr. and her son recounted the same story to her.

"When I see him [Haleigh's brother], all he said is, 'I want to find my sissy,' and he said something about somebody in black took her," Sheffield said, according to Central Florida News 13.

"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

"Until the police bring me a body and lay it in front of me, I will not believe that she is gone," Griffis told the newspaper. "God tells me that she is alive and well, and that's what I am going to stand on."

Any thoughts on the men in black? fact or fiction? So very sad, grandma, I so feel for you.

Ronald Cummings...breaking down. The stress must be unbearable.
http://www.foxnews.com/images/503282/3_62_021109_missing_haleigh2.jpg

Come home Haleigh...

[Peeperann]

My personal opinion on the "man in black" is either a very young child trying to cope with the horror of his sister being gone and most young children, this would be the evil stranger in their imaginations.

Or he has been coached by someone to say that.

[Silvahalo]

My personal opinion on the "man in black" is either a very young child trying to cope with the horror of his sister being gone and most young children, this would be the evil stranger in their imaginations.

Or he has been coached by someone to say that.

Yeah, that sounds right on target on how a little at that age would cope. Good insight.

[Harley_Tech]

Last i'm gonna say on this.

Liar liar, pants on fire

R

[Peeperann]

Liar liar, pants on fire

R

May I add that Harley is the liar? He gets us all excited in the RLD only to let us down, Again............. :lollypop:

[groovy135]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/columnists/mark_woods/2009-02-25/story/geraldo_faces_his_nightmare

Geraldo faces his nightmare
Story updated at 6:58 AM on Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009

It's hard to pick a single favorite Geraldo moment.

I'm sure some of you will point to Al Capone's empty vault or the diagram in the Iraq sand. And it's always tempting to go with the show on plastic surgery where Geraldo had fat sucked from his buttocks implanted in his forehead.

But if forced to choose one defining Geraldo Rivera moment, I think I'll go back to the 1990s and a confrontation at a rally with a neo-Nazi named John R. McLaughlin.

I dug up a New York Times story about it. In theory, the goal of the show was to illustrate the absurdity of the rallying skinheads and KKK members. Geraldo accomplishes this by wandering through the crowd, delivering quips like, "Neat outfits you have on." There is (surprise) a confrontation (huge surprise) in which Geraldo punches McLaughlin and ends up getting arrested.

When Geraldo tells viewers about this later - describing blood and sweat dripping down his face - he looks into the camera and deadpans a line that, if delivered by Stephen Colbert today, would be comedy. Only in this case, the guy delivering it was serious.

"A professional nightmare had come true. I had become a part of the story."

Geraldo becoming a part of the story? That's like Madonna making an album that turns controversial. (Actually, that's not fair to Madonna. She likely would admit controversy was part of the plan from the start.)

In his long career, Geraldo has done good stories, important stories. But whatever the story, from war to hurricanes, The Story inevitably seems to be Geraldo.

So was anyone surprised that when Geraldo came to Putnam County, the focus of the Haleigh Cummings story shifted from a missing 5-year-old girl to an omnipresent 65-year-old TV journalist?

You've probably seen the video of Geraldo interviewing Haleigh's father outside the family's trailer. I purposefully describe it that way - Geraldo interviewing Ronald Cummings - because, of course, the video isn't just of Cummings. It is as much about Geraldo asking the questions as it is about Cummings responding to them. And it illustrates that Geraldo came to Florida and accomplished something as difficult as making skinheads look absurd.

He went to a divided, dysfunctional family, two weeks into its own nightmare, and got people to point fingers, hurl accusations and eventually call the police.

Bravo.

Beyond the questions about interview style, there are more significant ones. Like whether some of the allegations tossed out to a national television audience are even true. And whether any of this was relevant to Haleigh's disappearance. Or if it just made for good TV and further fueled message board judges and juries.

Some have defended Geraldo, saying he was getting to the bottom of the story. I'd put it a little differently.

I'd say he got in the middle of the story.

Yes, somehow it happened again. Geraldo's professional nightmare came true.

[groovy135]

THIS WAS ON SM (yesterday)

SATSUMA, FL -- With every day Haleigh Cummings is missing, her family begs for help.

"Whoever has Haleigh, please take her to a place where we can find her," Teresa Neves, Haleigh's paternal grandmother said through tears Tuesday.

Before the five-year-old disappeared from her Satsuma home February 10th, there was tension building between her parents.

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.

A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared.

A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told first Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.

Sheffield's mother, Marie Griffis, said her daughter did not want to discuss the issue.

Griffis said her daughter recently stopped working when she was pregnant with her third child. She said a few months after the baby was born, Sheffield started looking for work has not found a job.

"With this economy, people cannot find a job. She's looked, even at Burger King and McDonald's and at other restaurants," Griffis explained. "People are just not quitting their jobs... and so she can't find a job. It's not that she doesn't want to pay child support, she just can't find a job to pay child support."

Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.

Meanwhile the investigation continues into what happened to Haleigh. Five Putnam County Sheriff's detectives are assigned to the case.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

[groovy135]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18786578/detail.htmlhttp:Tip Leads Detectives To St. Johns Co. In Search For Haleigh
Search For Missing 5-Year-Old Continues
POSTED: Tuesday, February 24, 2009
UPDATED: 6:27 pm EST February 24, 2009


PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- A tip about a possible Haleigh Cummings sighting led investigators to St. Augustine on Tuesday -- day 15 in the search for the missing 5-year-old girl.

For more than two weeks, detectives have been pouring over the hundreds of leads they've received about Haleigh's disappearance.

On Tuesday morning, officers searched an area in St. Augustine near some railroad tracks around state Road 16 and U.S. Highway 1 after someone called to say he or she saw a man walking with a girl who fit Haleigh's description.

Police eventually located a man in the area who was walking his daughter to school. Still, there was no sign of Haleigh.

Other tips of possible sightings of the missing girl have led investigators on searches as far as Tennessee, where officers searched after receiving a lead that Haleigh was seen getting into a vehicle outside a restaurant. However, like many others, that turned out to be a false lead.

Nonetheless, the responses in both cases show how quickly authorities have been moving when they receive tips about Haleigh.

"They've all been checked, and we've been notified of them. So far, they've all been false sightings, but by all means if people see something they think might be it, they should call and it will be checked wherever they are by the local authorities. You never know when the right one is going to come in," said Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

"Nobody knows what that one is either, you know? They have to look at everything that comes in," said Haleigh's great-grandmother, Annett Sykes.

Haleigh's family said it believes police have been doing their best to find the missing 5-year-old, and they realize a simple tip from the public could be the key.

Another thing the family discussed on Tuesday was information released by Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, saying the girl's younger brother said he saw a man in black take his sister.

"All he said was, 'I want to find my sissy.' He said something about somebody in black took her. I don’t know if it's true," Sheffield said.

"I don’t know nothing about that. I think that those questions are questions that you should discuss with detectives," said Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Cummings' mother said she feels the same way, and she also said Sheffield's comment will not help police and could hurt her other grandchild.

"Obviously, everybody talked to Junior when this happened. Police and law enforcement are doing their job. For somebody to go out and say that, to me you might have endangered the life of another one of my grandchildren," said Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves.

Police said they would not comment on what was discussed with Haleigh's brother. However, they ask the public to continue to call in any tips because their main focus is finding Haleigh.

Haleigh is described as having blond hair and brown eyes, is 3 feet tall and weighs 39 pounds. She was last seen in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma on Feb. 9.

The reward for information regarding Haleigh's whereabouts and/or the conviction of the perpetrator of any crimes stands at $25,500.

Anyone with information about Haleigh's disappearance should call 888-277-TIPS or the FDLE's Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearinghouse at 888-FL-MISSING.

[groovy135]

Here's some interesting Tid -Bits

Chad V. Griffis things that make you go hmmm

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79


AND I believe this is a picture of Ronald's new baby,with Amber ?,(was on Misty's ? myspace.....I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS ACCURATE iNFO,,,will see if there is more and will post)http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/75/l_08f815840bca8129a03fd5559e29e3a1.jpg

[totallytoddler]

Here's some interesting Tid -Bits

Chad V. Griffis things that make you go hmmm

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79


AND I believe this is a picture of Ronald's new baby,with Amber ?,(was on Misty's ? myspace.....I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS ACCURATE iNFO,,,will see if there is more and will post)http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/75/l_08f815840bca8129a03fd5559e29e3a1.jpg

So is this the baby Ronald had said he "might" have? He was questioned if he had any other children and he said "maybe". Sheesh....do these people not know what birth control is???

[Sister Iroz]

UTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Detectives following a tip, searched in St. Augustine near some railroad tracks around SR-16 and US-1, but nothing turned up. Putnam County investigators told Eyewitness News Tuesday that an anonymous donor gave $5,000, bringing the reward to $25,500.

Volunteers continue to search surrounding areas for the little girl.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18793086/detail.html#SLANTLY_commentformheight::254

[MadmamainNC]

Liar liar, pants on fire

R

I love that jingle. I've been singing it a lot these days.

[PoongyPrincess]

So - speculating again - if Ronald says he's 75% certain who took Haleigh... why is he not telling? Or going after the person himself?

Actually, Geraldo Rivera speculated that Cummings knows who has Haleigh. Cummings himself responded that if he even had 5% certainty who took her, he would be after them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html

[MadmamainNC]

Actually, Geraldo Rivera speculated that Cummings knows who has Haleigh. Cummings himself responded that if he even had 5% certainty who took her, he would be after them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498153,00.html

If I knew who had my daughter, I wouldn't sit on it nor would I want to be 100% sure. I'd be telling them to check this one or that one and leave no stone unturned. Why does Geraldo say shit like about one person, while kissing the ass a baby murderers attorney as if she's innocent?
This is why I won't watch him.

[Rhoni]

"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

is she saying "they" as in the guy or they as in more than one person was dressed in black..shouldn't it be "he" not trying to correct her English just trying to understand..


I have to wonder when the child said this..

[CorruptedMistress]

I always say 'they' when a person's sex is not known. Sometimes I try to be more specific and say the person, but I have a habit of using it to reference a person in general when I don't know anything specific.

[Rhoni]

I always say 'they' when a person's sex is not known. Sometimes I try to be more specific and say the person, but I have a habit of using it to reference a person in general when I don't know anything specific.

Thank you I don't know why the "they" just made me zone in..I guess I am looking for any kind of clue.I pretty much just saw "they were all dressed in black" and my mind thought who the hell are "they" and how many were there.. Thank you for straightening out my mixed up thoughts.

[pissedoffindaytona]

Where is the rv/trailor Ron Cummings was supposed to get? why the fuck is he still in the tent? it pisses me off that the Anthonys were given eveything in the world and they have the murderer, anthonys house was held as evidence but they still lived in it, these people are dirt poor and I don't see any real help for them, No one knows what happened to Haighlee, but everyone knew immediately what happened to Caylee and the Anthonys were taken care of.

[Angelinfl]

Last i'm gonna say on this. Some people are new, they don't realize that we have all different kinds of personalities on here. They lurk for a long time and then when they get the guts to finally post, and get shot down, makes them want to leave and not come back.

On the other hand, everyone has the right to post, bitch, complain whatever it is they want. It is hard to understand a tone in writing, I get that, and that's why I usually just ignore it if I think i'm getting bitched out, and because I really don't care if I am.

So everyone get your big girl panties on and get on with it!!

We all wear big girl panties... just by the fact we are on the internet and in places like this.

I have been busy reading and not commenting much. Please answer 2 questions for me..

1) How do you get to the main Haleigh thread

and

2) Where is the main site for news on the Caylee Case.

I'm so frustrated trying to learn this site!

Thank you

[penelopejo]

I hope they find her soon!!!

[Dakota Valkyrie]

1) How do you get to the main Haleigh thread

and

2) Where is the main site for news on the Caylee Case.
There are 2 parts to Dreamin' Demon. The "Front Page"(FP) and the Forum (the area you are in now).

There is a Haleigh thread in both areas. This post is in the Forum section. To find the Front Page article, go to DreaminDemon.com (or the link at the top of this page that says "The Dreamin' Demon") and put in a search on "Haleigh".

The Caylee thread is in several different spots.
To find the Front Page article, go to DreaminDemon.com and put in a search on "Caylee".

To find the Forum thread, while in the Forum area of DD (here) search on "Caylee"
The main places are "Grand Jury has an indictment on Casey Anthony" and "Caylee Chat"
Choose whichever of the two you are most comfortable with (or both).
Caylee Chat includes many friends and off topic interaction while Grand Jury... tries to stay more on info and case theory.

[Sister Iroz]

i love that jingle. I've been singing it a lot these days.

lmfao

[Sister Iroz]

SATSUMA, FL -- Bill Kyne and his wife, Diane, came all the way from Seminole, near Tampa, to help search for Haleigh Cummings in Satsuma Wednesday.

They had heard about the missing five-year-old on the news.

Mr. Kyne said, "We felt helpless. I've got six kids of my own and eight grandkids and I couldn't imagine if one of them went missing."

They met with Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, when they arrived in town.

"He just seems to be a genuine dad who cares for his kids and I can't imagine what he's going through," Mr. Kyne said.

He ate lunch with Cummings. Afterwards, Mr Kyne said Cummings explained there were no definite areas that could be searched, and no private property could be searched without the owner's permission. And so the Kynes chose to stay in Putnam County for the night, attend a vigil for Haleigh, and come back on the weekend to help with a possible organized search.

Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Skyes, said many people from all over Florida and around the country have come to search. She called it amazing, but she also said with tired frustration in her voice, "they want to know where to search and I just don't know where to tell them to go.http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132242&provider=rss

[MadmamainNC]

You can't help but hurt for these people. It's like deja vu'.
I hope for Haleigh that this doesn't drag out another 6 months and that she's found safe.

[LL44]

SoUncool- IMO your response was harsh, and I am a teacher with very thick skin, so if I heard a "tone".... well, I hear "tones" all day long so I can usually pick up on any underlying vibes. If you didn't mean it "that way" then I'm certain you could've found another "way" to say it.
Aside from that, I second what Peeper said... do you want to build your community or be ultra-exclusive & snotty??? From this point forward, if I deign to post again.... my posts will be properly footnoted, linked & refereced. And when someone else doesn't do that.... unlike you, I will not jump all over them. I will read their post, decide for myself if it is interesting or worthwhile, and refrain from ripping on them.
I found some - what I thought - were interesting tidbits on a story that has captivated many people's attention, including mine. I thought I would share.
I did not expect to get someone who is a contributor (not a moderator) pissing on my parade.
Many people share many things on this site, with links & without. THAT is why I like it here. Sometimes you get inside scoops, theories & tips that way. Unless everything needs to be footnoted to satisfy you.
'Nuff said.

[groovy135]

http://www.cafemom.com/group/99606/forums/read/7597486/Who_s_Who

[groovy135]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295
Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

[SoUncool]

SoUncool- IMO your response was harsh, and I am a teacher with very thick skin, so if I heard a "tone".... well, I hear "tones" all day long so I can usually pick up on any underlying vibes. If you didn't mean it "that way" then I'm certain you could've found another "way" to say it.
Aside from that, I second what Peeper said... do you want to build your community or be ultra-exclusive & snotty??? From this point forward, if I deign to post again.... my posts will be properly footnoted, linked & refereced. And when someone else doesn't do that.... unlike you, I will not jump all over them. I will read their post, decide for myself if it is interesting or worthwhile, and refrain from ripping on them.
I found some - what I thought - were interesting tidbits on a story that has captivated many people's attention, including mine. I thought I would share.
I did not expect to get someone who is a contributor (not a moderator) pissing on my parade.
Many people share many things on this site, with links & without. THAT is why I like it here. Sometimes you get inside scoops, theories & tips that way. Unless everything needs to be footnoted to satisfy you.
'Nuff said.

What the fuck ever. Put on your big girl panties. LET IT GO. Jebus Fucking Crispies!

[Peeperann]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295
Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

Hmmmm, honestly, I'm going to take everything that little boy says with a grain of salt. He's so young, and either may have been coached, or it's his imagination. And he was probably asleep when it happened. Poor little guy, he has to be so scared and confused.

I keep praying for Haleigh, but we all know it's just not looking good.