Who was This Girl?

[DarkPrincess]

Name:Unknown White Female - CaliNYPlace:Caledonia, New YorkAge: Estimated: 13 - 19 years oldDescription:White Female,
Estimated 5' 3" tall,
Estimated: 120 lbs,
Brown hair, frosted
Case Details:
Unidentified Caucasian Female: The victim was discovered in a Caledonia, New York cornfield on November 9th, 1979 by a passing motorist. She was found in a field 20 ft. off the south side of Route 20, about 1/2 mile from the Route 5 intersection. She died of two gunshot wounds; one to the back and one to the right temple. The coroner estimated that she was killed the previous night (November 8) and that the gunshot wound to her back was inflicted prior to the head wound. Some theorize that the victim was attempting to flee from her attacker(s)as she was shot from behind. The murder weapon was proven to be a .38 caliber revolver; it was never found.
Crime Site Details:
Caledonia, NY is located in the Finger Lakes region of the state and is close in proximity to the Canadian border. Some theories about the victim's identity include the possibility that she was not American, but Canadian. Searches of the Canadian missing persons' databases have not provided any information on a possible ID match for this victim. It is worth noting that the Canadian missing persons' divisions are more centralized and organized than their US counterparts.
Clues to Identity:
She had curly brown, shoulder length hair which had been frosted about four months before her death. The frosted hair was in the process of growing out. She had brown eyes. She was tanned and had visible bikini lines.
She has some serious decay and tooth #14 was decayed to the extent that only three roots of the tooth were left. She did have some dental work to suggest that at least the dentist was not trained in the US.
She was wearing a multi plaid shirt, tan corduroy pants, blue knee socks, light blue panties; white exquisite bra; brown laceup, ripple-sole shoes and a red nylon-lined man's windbreaker with black stripes down the arms, marked with the inside label Auto Sports Products, Inc. Auto Sports Products, the manufacturer of the victim's windbreaker, apparently did not exist in the US or Canada in 1979.
The victim was wearing a necklace, made with silver beads and three small turquoise stones, one resembling a bird: The victim was also wearing the locket with the inscription on the heart-shaped portion reads: He who holds the Key can open my heart.
There were few tanning salons available in either the US or Canada in 1979; therefore, it is believed that this victim had recently vacationed somewhere tropical or was from a region more conducive to tanning in November.


http://www.unsolved-crimes.com/caliny.html

[Unamused Cat]

I've was looking at this case before I got sick. I think the Jane Doe is Teresa Marie Byers from Texas. The dates match up.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/byers_teresa.html

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg107/snarkyphotos/janedoe-teresabeyers.jpg

I didn't get around to submitting the tip. If anyone would like to so, I would be more than happy. Just let me know.

[DarkPrincess]

By all means UC, submit the tip. They do look similar.

[LL44]

I think you are on to something - the mouth & nose look VERY similar!

[Undeniable Truth]

I dunno. According to the doe network, both the DNA of Teresa Marie Byers and that of the Caledonia doe are available in CODIS. Looking at the pictures though (even as fuzzy as the one of Teresa is), the chin, lips, cheekbone structure, around the eyes...

Making me wonder where they got Teresa's DNA?

Why are there no better pictures of her out there?

Is there any other information regarding where she was last seen and with whom?


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/427dftx.html

[Ruby]

I dunno. According to the doe network, both the DNA of Teresa Marie Byers and that of the Caledonia doe are available in CODIS. Looking at the pictures though (even as fuzzy as the one of Teresa is), the chin, lips, cheekbone structure, around the eyes...

Making me wonder where they got Teresa's DNA?


I was wondering the same thing. This is a case from 1979....how/why would that have DNA on file for Teresa Byers from before her disappearance? I find that highly unlikely.

Awesome match, once again, UCat. I think you've found your calling, and I think you should submit this pairing as soon as you are feeling up to it.

[crickett]

Submit this, please do. They look so much alike.

[Silvahalo]

http://www.unsolved-crimes.com/caliny.html


I've was looking at this case before I got sick. I think the Jane Doe is Teresa Marie Byers from Texas. The dates match up.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/byers_teresa.html

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg107/snarkyphotos/janedoe-teresabeyers.jpg

I didn't get around to submitting the tip. If anyone would like to so, I would be more than happy. Just let me know.

My thanks is MIA. Thank you DP and Ucat...awesome work!

[horsegirl]

They really do look alike:hello:
Hope you are on to something here

[Unamused Cat]

This is a case from 1979....how/why would that have DNA on file for Teresa Byers from before her disappearance? I find that highly unlikely.

That is what I am thinking too.

[Undeniable Truth]

UC,

I copied the URL to this page and e mailed it this address yesterday: cle@txdps.state.tx.us, but I've heard nothing in response. You should call this tip in if you haven't already.

I believe you're right. I believe that's her. I believe they've somehow got the wrong DNA on Teresa Byers, if they have it at all.
They need to look at these two again.

It's worth a shot.

[Unamused Cat]

UC,

I copied the URL to this page and e mailed it this address yesterday: cle@txdps.state.tx.us, but I've heard nothing in response. You should call this tip in if you haven't already.

I believe you're right. I believe that's her. I believe they've somehow got the wrong DNA on Teresa Byers, if they have it at all.
They need to look at these two again.

It's worth a shot.

Thanks, I just haven't felt up to it. Did you include a side by side photo along with the tip? I did that with the Waller County Jane Doe and received a reply within 48 hours.

I feel that it is her. I don't think they have DNA from the body. Below listed site states they have dental. I would at least like to know if she has been ruled out.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/UnidentifiedDetails.asp?id=U9212001

[Undeniable Truth]

Thanks, I just haven't felt up to it. Did you include a side by side photo along with the tip? I did that with the Waller County Jane Doe and received a reply within 48 hours.

I feel that it is her. I don't think they have DNA from the body. Below listed site states they have dental. I would at least like to know if she has been ruled out.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/UnidentifiedDetails.asp?id=U9212001

I'm sorry, I just saw this one UC. When I mailed them I just copied the URL to this page and sent a paragraph telling them that I think you're on to something over here and that they need to come look.

I fear it'll be written off simply because they supposedly have her DNA in CODIS. My only guesses on how they could've gotten a sample would be from baby teeth or a hairbrush. Someone could've given them the wrong person's fallouts, though. These two cases match up too well, and the resemblence when you look at each area of the face (is that right eye of hers blowing your mind or what?)--it's all just too uncanny.

Teresa's disappearance timeline is "sometime between September and November" of that year.I think she left Kilgore and went hitchhiking. Not uncommon then. Possibly went to Fl and stayed on the beach for a while, then started hitching again. I read about the guy who claimed to have killed the Caledonia doe, and I think he did it too.

So strange that there's no more information on Teresa and the circumstances of her disappearance. All the postings I've found are exactly the same, with the exact same few details. I tried searching for information in an online newspaper archive database that I've got a subscription to, but I didn't find squat. I didn't have much time to look when I did, so I'll keep trying.

[Zibarro]

THE MISSING

Teresa Marie Byers is one of the latter.

She is case number M0005003, last seen Sept. 1, 1977, when she was 19.

Her fuzzy photo is posted on the DPS Web site. Ms. Byers, the girl with brown hair, brown eyes, slender face and a big smile, is shown dressed in a white peasant-style blouse.

Though the picture was updated in 2001, she hasn't been seen in person for almost 28 years.

Other information attached to her case is sparse: 100 pounds, 5-4 with a cross-like scar on her left hand and last seen in Kilgore.

But, the Kilgore Police Department said her name is not in their computer's search engine for the missing. Nor is her name in the Gregg County Sheriff's Department or the Longview Police Department's computer program.

She must be somewhere.

Captain Randy Hancock with the Kilgore Police Department agreed, but he said after searching "back as far as the computer goes ... we have no Teresa Byers."

The omission could have been made on a couple grounds, he said, like the design of new city boundaries, making her case the responsibility of another hometown police department. Or there's the fact that the police department's computer program can only search to the far wall of 1990.

The department has paper files that go back further, he assured, all organized in a "different place where it's safe." They're near enough that if a tip were to come in about Ms. Byers they could pull the handwritten files and investigate.

When a person is missing for 28 years, though, Hancock said time plays an important role in the investigation. The more time that passes, the more problems turn up.

"There are a lot of ifs and buts that could happen in that length of time," he said.

The "ifs" start with absent evidence, Lair said. Fingerprints can be crucial to a case, but the telltale marks are not eternal after extended exposure to the outdoors, he said. And proof that someone was present at a scene can disappear with an unruly wind gust.

"When you get something 20 and 30 years old, obviously any leads you would have had would have been worked at the time," he said.

Due to detectives retiring, being promoted or accepting new jobs, Lair said a case as old as Ms. Byers' could have passed hands up to 10 times.

"Memories fade, evidence goes away," Lair said. "Plus, evidence could be corroded to the point where you can't get information off it. DNA gets worse with time."

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=1209.0;topicseen

[Unamused Cat]

I fear it'll be written off simply because they supposedly have her DNA in CODIS. My only guesses on how they could've gotten a sample would be from baby teeth or a hairbrush. Someone could've given them the wrong person's fallouts, though. These two cases match up too well, and the resemblence when you look at each area of the face (is that right eye of hers blowing your mind or what?)--it's all just too uncanny.

I'm glad you sent it in. Let me know if you don't hear something back soon. I will send an email to Sgt. White, Texas DPS.

[Undeniable Truth]

I still haven't heard anything, UC.

[horsegirl]

Did anyone hear anything back?

[wheresthebeef]

Not to jump to conclusions, but I lived in that area and the cops are as lazy as they come. I doubt they even looked in to it.

[Morgana]

I grew up in the Finger Lakes right off of 5 & 20. Caledonia is not as close to canada as reported. It's within 1-2 hours but Most people in this region NEVER even go to Canada, just not interested. Probably because they have to pass through Buffalo:( She does look French canadian, that's what I am mainly. But she is tan....wow, so close to home and no one's looking for her? Sad.

[Whisper]

:questionmark:Caledonia is largely Indian territory (Canadian side not sure if American is same). That said police/indians always drama.A indian man was killed at a protest by cops and it was cold blood according to withness,s yet nothing was done.Big battles over land all the time so if she was from Canadian side I would bet cops tossed anything if a missing persons report was ever done.Best bet would be to get in touch with Indian reservations in that area and ask if any girls were missing from there or we have a Canam association here in Windsor and its probrable I can get a list on monday see if theres any missing Indian girls .If anyone wants the list let me know and Ill call them

[Whisper]

This case has been linked to another missing girl named Sharon Drover....
Sharon Drover - December 29, 1978 St John's NFLD
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Seventeen year old Sharon Drover went missing late in December, 1978. It was reported that Sharon left her boarding house to go to McDonalds on Kenmount Road to pick up her paycheck, however, she never arrived there. Later, two brothers came forward and said that on December 29, 1978 they picked up a hitchhiker, whom they thought may have been Sharon, on Kenmount Road and dropped her off on Long's Hill, adjacent to the boarding house. The girl stopped and talked with a man and then ran down Long's Hill. Police have been unable to find out who she had been talking to. They suspect she was murdered, however, no body was ever found...........HERES the link if you want to read all the posts comparing the 2.Worth a shot just to see why the cops thought they were related in some way,,,,,,,,,,,,,
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?PHPSESSID=2ku0u461o617ahrq229kl45gb1&topic=1443.msg8195#msg8195

[Whisper]

I was given this name of Karen Zendrosky by a cop here that was living near Caledonia back in the 70s and 80s.He said alot of police have always thought these 3 girls were somehow connected and killed by same person.He is going to call a few guys and help me get some info on it but hes a pretty straight forward type of person, kinda old now.I will read it and see what they have to say and if its anything similar Ill post it here for you.I know some were American and some Canadian but its kinda creepy all 3 girls look like they could be sisters right down to the mouth and teeth.It just made me think of Ted Bundy everyone one of his victims were almost identical right down to the part in their hair.So I will read it anyways when he gets it to me.

[Valasca]

Livingston County Sheriff John York was the first officer on the scene when the body was found in a Caledonia field 32 years ago.

The body laid in the rain for 11 hours before it was discovered, the water destroying most of the physical evidence. A spent slug was recovered at the scene.

York and the sheriff’s office worked with the FBI, chased down 10,000 leads and spoke with almost 70 serial killers. America’s Most Wanted did a television program on the case.

All the steps, the interviews, the suspects, the media coverage — all for naught, as the name of the female victim found on Nov. 10, 1979 near State Route 20, approximately a half-mile southwest of State Route 5, and the name of her killer, are unknown.

The victim, now named “Jane Doe” in the absence of positive identification, had been shot twice on Nov. 9, 1979. York believes she was shot once near the road and again in the field, where her pockets were turned inside-out and any identification she possessed was removed.

On the 32-year commemoration of the finding of the body, the sheriff’s office is looking for help from anyone who may have information on the case that would help lead to the identification of the victim or her killer.

In a release from York’s office, the victim is described as 5-foot-3 inches tall, approximately 15 to 19 years of age and weighed approximately 120 pounds. She had curly brown hair, with blonde streaks and a tan.

She was dressed in tan corduroys and a plaid cotton or polyester shirt and was wearing a red nylon-lined windbreaker made by Auto Sports, Inc. She was also wearing a silver necklace with three turquoise stones, two key chains designed as a heart and a key to the heart.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the sheriff’s office at (585) 243-7100 or email at LCSO@co.livingston.ny.us.

With the advancement in technology, York said the Internet could now play a substantial role in finding either the victim’s name or the identity of her killer.Between extensive local media coverage and other evidence, York doesn’t believe Jane Doe lived locally.

“This case has had so much notoriety over many years, that if her family or friends knew she was from the area, we’d have received the information,” he said.

The victim had tan lines showing she’d been wearing a halter top. That and the turquoise necklace led York to believe Jane Doe was from the southwest part of the United States.

Several years ago, a study by Texas A & M University confirmed that pollen on Jane Doe’s clothing confirmed she’d recently been in the southwest.

York believes the crime is likely the work of a serial killer, and that he’s spoken with famed killers Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole, both of whom confessed to the murder.

But no evidence has been found to back-up their confessions, and the case remains open.

Even three decades since her body was found, York is still eager to not only identify the victim, but to bring Jane Doe’s killer — her live killer — to justice.

“We believe she was probably 15 years old when she was killed. That would make her 47 today. It could mean her killer is still alive,” he said.

http://www.eveningtribune.com/topstories/x363495557/Livingston-County-Sheriffs-Office-trying-to-solve-32-year-old-Caledonia-murder

[Valasca]

Opinions, please?
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14520/0/

http://www.co.livingston.state.ny.us/Sheriff/pdfs/JaneDoe.pdf

[Obsolete]

Opinions, please?
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14520/0/

http://www.co.livingston.state.ny.us/Sheriff/pdfs/JaneDoe.pdf

They look pretty similar. However Eileen was 19 when she was last seen and the Jane Doe was killed 3 yrs later and approx age was 13 to 10. Eileen woud have been 22 at the time. Dunno, maybe LE was off in their age estimation of the Jane Doe.

[Valasca]

They look pretty similar. However Eileen was 19 when she was last seen and the Jane Doe was killed 3 yrs later and approx age was 13 to 10. Eileen woud have been 22 at the time. Dunno, maybe LE was off in their age estimation of the Jane Doe.

I thought of that as well. But the resemblance. I am floored by it. And Hynson's case was only just submitted a few months ago. To NamUs, anyway. MAYBE the local police knew, but not the nation.
But... I want more opinions before I submit this.

[Krystal]

19 and 22 wouldn't be that far off in an age estimation which is just an educated guess, lots of people look younger than what they are and if they are examining bones and dentals there aren't a whole lot of changes in the body structure and teeth between those ages.

[Valasca]

19 and 22 wouldn't be that far off in an age estimation which is just an educated guess, lots of people look younger than what they are and if they are examining bones and dentals there aren't a whole lot of changes in the body structure and teeth between those ages.

But there is further fusion of the cranial sutures. I have no clue how much more those would have fused, though.

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

The teeth don't match--at least to my untrained eye. The similarity is striking, though.

[cubby]

They are similar but Jane Doe LOOKS (not saying she is) much younger, like maybe 15-16 while Eileen LOOKS in her twenties.

[Valasca]

The teeth don't match--at least to my untrained eye.

Untrained is fine, ya know? I am collecting all your opinions.
First thing we need to do is give reasons why they aren't the same, THEN we give reasons why they ARE the same.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I thought of that as well. But the resemblance. I am floored by it. And Hynson's case was only just submitted a few months ago. To NamUs, anyway. MAYBE the local police knew, but not the nation.
But... I want more opinions before I submit this.
When I Googled Hynson to see if there was more images of her, I ran across a WebSlueths thread on Caledonia Jane Doe. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8049585#post8049585
No word if anyone submitted her but an image comparison there is interesting.

[Valasca]

Yeah... no. I avoid websluts like the plague.

[Valasca]

Bloody freaking hell. So I went to the webslut link... Now I wonder if the woman I got these two links from read it off their site? GRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
AKIHN FQWE FQEWHJ makes me mad.