The Oakland County Child Killer

[DarkPrincess]

During a 13-month period, four children were abducted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping) and murdered with their bodies left in various locations within the county. The children were each held from four to 19 days before being killed. Their deaths triggered a murder investigation which at the time was the largest in U.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) history.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer#cite_note-News08-24-2007-0) The murders are still unsolved.
Fear and near-mass hysteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria) swept southeastern Michigan, as young people were inundated with information on "stranger danger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_danger)", and parents clogged streets around schools dropping off and picking up their children. The few who did walk walked in groups and under the watchful eyes of parents in "safe houses", where children could go if they felt uncomfortable. Children even avoided using a playground directly behind the Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Michigan) police station.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer#cite_note-Barfknecht-1) One incident in Livonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonia,_Michigan) involved a tow-truck driver who assaulted a man he had seen asking two boys on the street for directions. He turned out to be an Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio) tire salesman who had gotten lost with no knowledge of the slayings.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer#cite_note-autogenerated2-2) The Detroit News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_News) offered a $100,000 reward for the killer's apprehension.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer#cite_note-Barfknecht-1)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer

[Abroad]

Ah yes. This is the murderer also known as the Babysitter, because he kept the children for a while and washed them shortly before dumping them.


:dong:

[DarkPrincess]

Ah yes. This is the murderer also known as the Babysitter, because he kept the children for a while and washed them shortly before dumping them.


:dong:

Sick fuck. I hope he burns in Hell.

[Abroad]

Sick fuck. I hope he burns in Hell.

Apparently one of the mothers in her appeal to whoever was holding her son said she wanted him back so she could serve him his favorite meal of Kentucky Fried Chicken. When they found her son's corpse and autopsied him, they found fried chicken in his stomach......


Talk about sick.

[DarkPrincess]

Apparently one of the mothers in her appeal to whoever was holding her son said she wanted him back so she could serve him his favorite meal of Kentucky Fried Chicken. When they found her son's corpse and autopsied him, they found fried chicken in his stomach......


Talk about sick.


Yeah, I remember that now.... We need a real life Dexter to wipe these people out.

[Pete Bondurant]

This is sad. I like chicken too. I prefer Popeyes.

[DarkPrincess]

I prefer Popeyes.

You would.

[Morticia]

Never heard of this one, for a minute I thought it was the "Atlanta" murders.


The more I read the DD, my poor five year old son will have me take him to the bathroom at McDonald's till he's 30!!!

[RaVen Blackehart]

This is sad. I like chicken too. I prefer Popeyes.

Popeye's chicken is fuckin' AWESOME!~~Little Nicky

[malq]

Never heard of this one, for a minute I thought it was the "Atlanta" murders.


The more I read the DD, my poor five year old son will have me take him to the bathroom at McDonald's till he's 30!!!


No Shit Morticia, I don't trust anybody or anything when it comes to the public restrooms, especially after this.
George Michael Busted in Another Bathroom
http://i42.tinypic.com/344wgme.jpg
http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/21/george-michael-busted-in-another-bathroom/

[DarkPrincess]

Popeye's chicken is fuckin' AWESOME!~~Little Nicky

I love Little Nicky, but I'm a KFC fan.

[RaVen Blackehart]

No Shit Morticia, I don't trust anybody or anything when it comes to the public restrooms, especially after this.
George Michael Busted in Another Bathroom
http://i42.tinypic.com/344wgme.jpg
http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/21/george-michael-busted-in-another-bathroom/

Or this:


Brandon Wilson, accused of murdering a nine-year-old boy in a public restroom, has a unique, some would say, disturbing defense — he claims that he was told by God to kill young Matthew Cecchi. Wilson, described as a twenty-year-old drifter from Wisconsin, claims he had a vision while taking LSD. In a supposedly divine encounter, Wilson claims it was revealed to him that committing the murder would be God's will. The defense claims Wilson believed that if he carried out his fatal task, he would be admitted into a heavenly circle for God's chosen few.

On the day of the murder, Matthew Cecchi, his mother and younger brother, attended a family reunion. When Matthew's aunt escorted him to a public bathroom, no one could have predicted the tragedy that would occur moments later. According to Wilson's own statements, he yanked Matthew's head back and stabbed the boy in the left side of his throat. He then severed Matthew's jugular veins, carotid arteries and ripped out the boy's larynx. After the murder, Wilson shaved his head and went to Los Angeles, where he was arrested for the alleged stabbing of another victim — this time, a forty year old woman.

At his arraignment, Wilson admitted that he was guilty of the murder. In a shocking outburst, he exclaimed, "I'm guilty, I did it. I did it. I killed him. I killed the little boy."

http://www.courttv.com/archive/trials/wilson/091499_ctv.html

[witzah]

http://www.freep.com/article/20110714/NEWS03/110714008/Oakland-County-child-killer-case-reviewed-by-grand-jury


A grand jury is expected to hear evidence in the Oakland County Child Killer case,according to a county official.

Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson, who was prosecutor when someone kidnapped and murdered Timmy King,Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich and Jill Robinson in 1976 and 1977,said he expects the homicide case to be one of 30 on the table for the Oakland County Grand Jury to review.

But Patterson urges that the move should not be misinterpreted as an indication that an arrest is imminent.

“I don’t consider this to be a major breakthrough on the child killer case,” he said. “I’m sure it’s going to be one of the cases reviewed. We’ve been down so many dead end streets with this case. So I’m hopeful, but I’m not overly optimistic at this point.”

He commended Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper for convening the grand jury and reviewing the case, which should provide people a measure of hope that a killer might someday be found.

“I want them to be cautiously hopeful,” he said. “I know several of the families. I want more than anything for those families to have some closure.”

Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Paul Walton today would only acknowledge that Cooper asked county officials to fund a grand jury convened in late May. She asked for 13 to 17 Oakland County residents to spend up to a year reviewing evidence and testimony about unsolved Oakland County homicide cases,he said.

“It doesn’t necessarily have to be a cold case but an unsolved homicide,” he said this morning,explaining that he could not acknowledge which cases the jury will be reviewing,including the Oakland County Child Killer case.

News of the grand jury probe brought a new wave of hope to families who have been waiting decades for justice.

“I’m excited,” said Barry King,80,of Birmingham,whose son Timothy King disappeared March 16,1977 after he left the family home to skateboard to a nearby convenience store for candy. He never returned. His body was discovered March 22 in a ditch in Livonia. He had been sexually assaulted and smothered.

The grand jury,King said,may provide some definitive answers. “This is the first opportunity, that I’m aware,of where somebody is going to have to make some determinations about what happened here.”

This is the first grand jury seated in Oakland County since those assembled in 1999 and 1996,Walton added. Secret by statute,13 to 17 residents of Oakland County will hear evidence presented in each case,then vote on whether to indict the suspect for the crime.

[witzah]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/27944695/detail.html

DETROIT -- With the help of DNA technology, there has been a physical match in the Oakland County Child Killer case, providing a new suspect never before named.

From February 1976 to March 1977, a serial killer was abducting and holding four young children against their will for several days before killing them, then cleaning their bodies and clothes and placing them on display throughout Metro Detroit.

For 35 years it has been an unsolved mystery with a lot of speculation, but no physical evidence.

Watch: DNA Links New Suspect In Oakland County Child Killer Case

There is new hope for solving the murders of Mark Stebbins, Kristin Mihelich, Jill Robinson and Timothy King.

There are four blockbuster new pieces of evidence:

1. White animal hair connects all four cases. 2. A DNA match from new hairs discovered on one of the victims leads to this new suspect. 3. Police find a startling drawing at a suspect's home. 4. A police report surfaces from the 1970s that sent investigators looking around a northern Michigan cottage Tuesday afternoon.

[witzah]

For the last 33 years, Barry King and his family have sought to learn who killed his 11-year-old son in 1977, one of four children who were abducted and murdered in the mid-1970s in Oakland County.

For the past three years, King was convinced that he knew the answer.

And today, following the recent court-ordered release of 3,400 pages of investigative records compiled by the Michigan State Police, King says it is clear to him that Christopher Busch, a pedophile who was convicted four times of rape with a minor, was involved in the killing of Timothy King.

“I am now more convinced than ever,” King said in an interview.

But the Michigan State Police, who head a task force investigation into the crimes, decline comment. They say the investigation is still active.

The documents were released as the result of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the King family against the State Police. A judge ordered the agency to release the investigative files. The agency has billed the King family $11,000 for the documents, though the court will ultimately decide what charges, if any, there will be.

The records reveal: Busch had been charged, and later convicted, four times in the first three months of 1977 with criminal sexual conduct with a minor in four counties: Oakland, Montmorency, Genesee and Midland. With each charge, Busch’s father, H. Lee Busch (a prominent General Motors executive) posted cash bonds to free his son. One of his victims said Busch’s mother drove to his Flint neighborhood in a limousine, offering him money if he agreed not to say anything to the police. Busch pleaded to a lesser charge and received probation in each of the four cases.

Other children molested by Busch and his companion Gregory Greene told the Oakland County Child Killings Task Force in 1977 that the two men would drive them around in their cars and would have them “lure kids closer to the car by talking to them.” One victim said he had been choked unconscious while being molested.

This victim also said he recognized photos of Timothy as being the same boy seen with Busch. He said he saw a Polaroid photo of Timothy tied up in Busch’s car.

In an Oakland County Child Killing Task Force interview about his pedophile activity, Busch is said to have listed the locations where he picked up and dropped off boys in the same chronological order that matched the abduction sites of the other three Oakland County children who were killed: Nine Mile and Woodward Avenue in Ferndale (the same location from which Mark Stebbins disappeared), 13 Mile and Woodward in Royal Oak (Jill Robinson was last seen near the Tiny Tim Hobby Center) and the 7-Eleven on 12 Mile in Berkley (where Kristine Mihelich went to purchase a teen magazine). Timothy had not yet been abducted.

On March 16, 1977, Timothy was kidnapped near a Birmingham drugstore and was found six days later alongside a road in Livonia. King said the records are proof that if Busch had been detained by police, his son might be alive today.

Busch questioned, released

Busch lived in Birmingham while the community was being terrorized by the rash of kidnappings and murders of the four children that began in February 1976 and ended with Timothy’s death on March 22, 1977. Each child’s body was clean, fully dressed and tossed by public roadsides. All were found in Oakland County except Timothy, who was found in Wayne County.

In late January 1977, Busch, then 27, was facing a rape charge in Flint and was questioned by Flint and task force investigators about the murder of Mark Stebbins, the first victim in the Oakland County child killings. According to the records, several investigators and then-Deputy Oakland County Prosecutor Dick Thompson thought Busch would be charged with the Stebbins murder, based on his criminal record and responses to investigators. But after a lie detector test was administered by Michigan State Police examiner Ralph Cabot, Busch was released.

Six weeks later, Timothy was abducted and murdered.

Busch committed suicide in November 1978. The State Police records reveal evidence left at the suicide scene that might have linked Busch to the killings was never pursued by law enforcement. The evidence included ropes and ligatures found on the floor of his bedroom closet and a drawing closely resembling first victim Mark Stebbins that hung on his bedroom wall.

“I still think it is possible there was a cover-up,” King said. “I also want to know why it took over 30 years for the Chris Busch lead to be uncovered.”

Michigan State Police Capt. Harold Love said he has no comment on the release of the records, adding: “We continue to work the case and pursue all leads.”

Reports reveal evidence.

Part of the reason King and his children said they are suspicious of the investigation is because the family, not law enforcement, was responsible for bringing the Busch lead to light. Timothy’s mother, Marion, died in 2004.

In 2006, former neighbor Patrick Coffey, a licensed polygrapher, called the Kings with information that Larry Wasser, a Southfield polygrapher, had confided to him that Busch had implicated himself in the child killings during a polygraph exam he conducted more than 30 years ago.

Armed with Busch’s name, Detective Sgt. Cory Williams of the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office and Detective Sgt. Garry Gray of the Michigan State Police examined the State Police records, conducted their own investigation and uncovered the circumstantial evidence tying him and Greene to the killings.

Other findings in the State Police report: A tip was called into the Montmorency Sheriff’s Department while Busch was at his family cottage on Ess Lake near Hillman. A woman pleaded with police to go to the cottage, saying she had seen Busch — known to her as a pedophile out on bond — in town with minors. The call came on March 19, 1977, during the time Timothy was missing, which was between March 16 and March 22. There was no indication that law enforcement acted on the tip. A former cellmate of Greene’s told detectives Williams and Gray that Greene said “he got away with killing four kids in the past.” Greene died in prison of a heart attack in 1995. He was 45.

In early 2008, Williams enlisted three independent polygraph examiners to re-examine the original polygraphs of Busch and Greene that led to Busch’s release in the Stebbins investigation. Their findings are blocked out in the documents the King family received.

In April 2008, in an interview with the FBI in New York City, Charles Busch, Christopher Busch’s only living sibling, requested that as a condition for supplying his DNA, family members living in Michigan be allowed to enter a “witness protection-type program.” He also said that later in his life, his father, H. Lee Busch, who died at age 90 in 2002, shredded all of the family documents, including birth certificates.

Prosecutor refuses to talk

In light of this evidence, King said he feels some vindication in his pursuit of information but failure in his pursuit of justice. He said he wants to meet with Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, but she has refused to talk with him.

“The Michigan Constitution says that crime victims have a right to confer with the prosecutor,” King said.

“I will feel like justice has been served when the Oakland County prosecutor explains to me why Busch is not guilty. I am sick and tired of a four-time convicted sexual pedophile being treated better than my family and the families of Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich and Jill Robinson.”

Cooper responded in an e-mail that she cannot comment because “there is an active, open and ongoing investigation that would be compromised by the release of any information regarding Christopher Busch.”

The King family also filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Oakland County prosecutor seeking its Busch-related files. Oakland County Circuit Judge Wendy Potts decided against the Kings, saying the prosecutor’s information on Busch was “sensitive,” and disclosure of the information could interfere with the investigation. However, the judge urged the prosecutor “to communicate as openly and freely as possible with Plaintiffs and other family members of the OCCK victims.”

When asked if he felt the documents were worth $11,000, King replied: “It was Tim’s college money.”

http://thegirlfromtheghetto.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/christopher-busch-the-oakland-county-child-killer/

[Whisper]

Theres also a video and pic at the link at bottom
I had no clue this thread existed here,
I was just a small kid when these happened but have been consumed by the case for as long as I can remember
I have belonged to a group here for few years devoted to proving who the Oakland County Child Killer/The Baby Sitter Killer was
They have known for decades about Christopher Busch but his family has money and even though he killed himself years ago they have the proof just piecing it together.
I have met the father of Timothy King at a function and he has tried for years to prove what he knows and finally looks like they may be able to cut through the red tape and Busch family wont be able to hide behind the money
All 4 killings were tragic but Timothys I guess hit harder b/c it shows the killer watched about himself on the news
Just before Timothy was found dead his family was on TV and his dad said when they got him home they were going to get his fave dinner of KFC for him
He was found dead a day or so later and at autopsy his last meal was his fave KFC!

Heres tonights update



Oakland County Child Killer Task Force Requests old Channel 7 film footage


SOUTHFIELD, Mich. (WXYZ) - Proof that the grand jury investigation into the Oakland County Child Killer case is heating up. Today Child Killer Task Force detectives asked Action News for copies of old archive footage from the case.

These homicides happened 35 years ago… and now Task Force detectives want to look through the old film footage that Channel 7 may have from the days of the original investigation.

Film footage like this from the 1970s may hold clues to the killer – or killers – detectives are pursuing in the Oakland County Child Killer case.

Investigators from the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office requested copies of old footage from the crime scenes and from the funerals of all four victims.

An Oakland County grand jury is currently hearing evidence in the unsolved murders. Between 1976 and 1977 four children were abducted along the Woodward corridor, held captive for days, and then murdered.

Now new detectives are on the task force and a grand jury is hearing testimony and examining evidence – in the hopes of solving a case that still haunts so many families who are hoping for answers… especially Barry King, who’s son Tim was the killer’s fourth and final victim.

“I would like to know who killed Tim. And it’s been one of my wishes before they put me in the box,” King told Action News last month.

It’s highly likely that detectives are looking for something specific in the old footage, but prosecutors and task force investigators are not revealing what they’re after.
[...]http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/oakland-county-child-killer-task-force-requests-old-channel-7-film-footage#ixzz1Vu97wK1z

[Whisper]

The brother of Timmy King article and pics
http://www.downtownpublications.com/pdalpeditorial.lasso?-token.story=206015.112113

Wiki has the best article to sum it all up,was updated not long ago


Victims[edit] ConfirmedMark Stebbins, 12, of Ferndale, was last seen leaving an American Legion Hall on Sunday afternoon, February 15, 1976. He had told his mother he was going home to watch television. His body was found on February 19, neatly laid out in a snowbank in the parking lot of an office building at Ten Mile Road and Greenfield in Southfield (some reports claim Oak Park; Greenfield is the boundary between the two cities). He had been strangled and sexually assaulted with an object. Rope marks were seen on his wrists. He was fully clothed in the outfit he was wearing when last seen alive.[2]
Jill Robinson, 12, of Royal Oak, packed a backpack and ran away from her home on Wednesday, December 22, 1976, following an argument with her mother over dinner preparations. The day after her disappearance, her bicycle was found behind a hobby store on Main Street in that city. Her body was found on the morning of December 26, along the side of Interstate 75 near Big Beaver Road in Troy. She was killed by a single shotgun blast to the face. She was fully clothed and still wearing her backpack. The body was placed within sight of the Troy police station, once again, laid out neatly in the snow.[2]
Kristine Mihelich, 10, of Berkley, was last seen Sunday, January 2, 1977 at 3:00 p.m. at a 7-Eleven store on Twelve Mile Road at Oakshire in Berkley, purchasing a magazine. A mail carrier spotted her fully clothed body 19 days later on the side of a rural road in Franklin Village. She had been smothered. The body was laid within view of nearby homes, eyes closed and arms folded across the chest, once again in the snow.[2]
Timothy King, 11, borrowed 30 cents from his older sister and left his home in Birmingham, skateboard in hand, to buy candy at a drugstore on nearby Maple Road on Wednesday, March 16, 1977, at about 8:30 p.m. He left the store by the rear entrance, which opened to a parking lot shared with a supermarket, and vanished.[2] An intensive search was executed that covered the entire Detroit metropolitan area, and there was widespread media coverage, already heavy with coverage of the previous three slayings. In an emotional television appeal, Timothy's father, Barry King, begged the abductor to release his son unharmed. In a letter printed in the Detroit News, Marion King wrote that she hoped Timothy could come home soon so she could serve him his favorite meal, Kentucky Fried Chicken. In the late evening hours of March 22, 1977, two teenagers in a car spotted his body in a shallow ditch alongside Gill Road, about 300 feet south of Eight Mile Road in Livonia, just across the county line in Wayne County. His skateboard was placed next to his body. His clothing had been neatly pressed and washed. He had been suffocated and sexually assaulted with an object. The postmortem showed that Timothy had eaten fried chicken before he was slain.[2]
[edit] SuspectedThere were other abductions and murders around the Oakland County area within the same period. These are not specifically tied to the four victims above due to variations in the cases.

Cynthia Cadieux, 16, was abducted and bludgeoned to death on the evening of January 15, 1976. Missing from Roseville, she was discovered nude and battered in Bloomfield Township in the early morning hours of January 16.[3]
[edit] DisprovedSheila Srock, 14, was raped and shot dead while babysitting in a home on Villa Street in Birmingham on January 20, 1976. Her assailant had burglarized several homes in the neighborhood earlier in the evening. A neighbor had watched the entire attack in horror from his roof, where he was shoveling snow.[4] Oliver Rhodes Andrews confessed to, and was convicted of the murder of Srock, and is serving a life sentence in prison. [5]
[edit] InvestigationAfter the discovery of Kristine Mihelich's body, authorities quickly realized they were dealing with three cases and evidence that were closely similar. Reports were released publicly of the possibility a serial killer was operating in the Oakland County area. The Michigan State Police led a group of law-enforcement officials from 13 communities in the formation of a task force, devoted solely to the investigation.

Soon after Timothy King was abducted, a composite drawing of the suspected kidnapper and his vehicle was released. A woman claimed she had seen a boy with a skateboard talking to a man in a parking lot of the drugstore that Timothy had told his parents he was going to ride his skateboard to. The vehicle was reportedly a blue AMC Gremlin with a white side stripe. Authorities would eventually question every Gremlin owner in Oakland County.

Investigators put together a profile of the killer based on witnesses' descriptions of the man seen talking to Timothy King the night he disappeared—a white male with a dark complexion, 25 to 35 years old with shaggy hair and sideburns. Authorities believed that the killer had a job that gave him freedom of movement and may have appeared to be someone that a child might trust, such as a police officer, clergyman or a doctor. He was also believed to be familiar with the area and had the ability to keep children for long periods of time without rousing neighbors' suspicions.

Detroit psychiatrist Dr. Bruce Danto, who worked with the task force, received a letter several weeks after Timothy King's body was found from a man named "Allen", who claimed that he was the killer's roommate and even helped look after the victims. Allen said his roommate had been traumatized by killing children in the Vietnam War and was taking revenge out on more affluent citizens. Soon after, Danto got a phone call from Allen, who offered to provide photographic evidence in exchange for immunity from prosecution. Under police surveillance, the psychiatrist arranged to meet Allen at a gay bar near Detroit's exclusive Palmer Woods neighborhood. Allen did not show, and was never heard from again.

The task force checked out more than 18,000 tips, but was unable to make much headway in the investigation. The task force disbanded in December 1978. The killer never struck again.

[edit] Theodore LamborginePolice in Parma Heights, Ohio arrested Ted Lamborgine, a retired auto worker believed to have been involved in a child porn ring in the 1970s. On March 27, 2007, investigators told Detroit television station WXYZ that Lamborgine was considered the top suspect in this case. Lamborgine pleaded guilty to 15 sex-related counts involving young boys rather than accept a plea bargain that would have required him to take a polygraph test on the Oakland County child killings. Lamborgine also rejected an offer of a reduced sentence in exchange for a polygraph on the case.[6]

In October 2007, the family of Mark Stebbins filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Lamborgine seeking $25,000. The lawsuit alleges Lamborgine, who lived in Metro Detroit in the late 1970s, abducted Mark and held him captive in a Royal Oak house for four days in February 1976 before smothering him to death during a sex assault. Lamborgine has never been formally linked nor charged in the death of Mark Stebbins. Attorney David A. Binkley seeks compensation, including funeral costs, for Stebbins' brother, Michael, but stressed money is secondary.[6]

[edit] Chris BuschThe case has recently sparked new interest. Timmy King's father, Barry, and brother, Chris, have been trying to get the Michigan State Police to release information about Chris Busch, the son of Harold Lee Busch, a high level GM Executive. Chris Busch had been in police custody shortly before Timmy's abduction for suspected involvement in a Child Pornography Ring. He committed suicide in 1978. There has been no confirmed activity of the Oakland County Child Killer since his death. [7] The Michigan State Police have now released 3400 pages of investigative records to Barry King.[8]

[...]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer
http://i55.tinypic.com/33cr82c.jpg
I have millions of files on my comp and in hand on this case and all the twists and turns in the case where actual adults that were kids at the time have turned their own parents in(and one actually looked pretty good couple years ago and he was alread in prison on child rape but didnt pan out)

[Obsolete]

Sheila Srock, 14, was raped and shot dead while babysitting in a home on Villa Street in Birmingham on January 20, 1976. Her assailant had burglarized several homes in the neighborhood earlier in the evening. A neighbor had watched the entire attack in horror from his roof, where he was shoveling snow

Um...WTF dude?

[Whisper]

I meant to add the Busch family has a cabin up north and Chris and his buddys were there when these kids disappeared each time
Each child was bathed and groomed before being killed and dumped
They found the most evidence against Chris Busch at the family cabin but we dont know all they found of course they have to keep some to themselves
They stopped investigating him when he committed suicide as they were gathering more and more evidence against him
so happy for the families to at least finally (hopefully) know for sure
This is huge around here b/c its so close and its always been such a mystery and scarey also

[biteme]

Prosecutor on down involved in this case should be shot, the families of the children murdered should get first choice to pull the trigger
Seems there was a huge conspiracy, bought with family money, those bought to let a pedophile murder have his way with children, should all pay with their lives. Money always leaves a trail and I'm sure it took plenty to create this fuck-up, how much did the family pay out per child, what was the value of a child's life to locale LE. Were they hoping for more deaths so they could collect more money
Follow the money put them all in jail.

[4Cats]

For the last 33 years, Barry King and his family have sought to learn who killed his 11-year-old son in 1977, one of four children who were abducted and murdered in the mid-1970s in Oakland County.



When asked if he felt the documents were worth $11,000, King replied: “It was Tim’s college money.”

http://thegirlfromtheghetto.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/christopher-busch-the-oakland-county-child-killer/

fucking breaks ya heart. no parent should have to bury their child. :sad7:

[witzah]

fucking breaks ya heart. no parent should have to bury their child. :sad7:

yeah....that quote about it being Tim's college fund really struck a chord in me

[Whisper]

New information released in Oakland County child killer case
Photos of Oakland County Child Killer suspect's suicide scene released

DETROIT -
The families of the victims of the Oakland County Child Killer have released photographs of the 1978 suicide scene of a suspect in the case to the Local 4 Defenders.

From February 1976 to March 1977, a serial killer abducted and held four children against their will for several days before killing them, then left their bodies throughout metro Detroit.

The victims, all from homes in Oakland County, were 12-year-old Mark Stebbins, 12-year-old Jill Robinson, 10-year-old Kristine Mihelich and 11-year-old Timothy King.
No one has ever been charged in the more than 30-year-old case.

Christopher Busch, a convicted sex offender, was questioned in the case, but was released.

He later committed suicide.
However, the victims’ families have been vocal about their allegations of his responsibility.

King’s family filed a lawsuit in order for police to turn over their information against Busch.

VIEW:Inside Christopher Busch's home

Chis King, Timothy King's brother, said he thinks Busch was involved because the photos show potential evidence linked to the cases.

One photograph shows a drawing that was pinned on Busch’s wall, which closely resembles Stebbins.

The photographs also show ropes that appear to have blood on them and shotgun shell.

Robinson was killed by a shotgun blast.

"Now we have hard evidence and we expect them to do their job," Chris King said.

The Defenders have also learned that the Michigan State Police are requesting DNA from all living family member of the four victims to make sure all samples are current.
[...]http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/New-information-released-in-Oakland-County-child-killer-case/-/1719314/7683962/-/u5v0mg/-/index.html


27 pics here
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/occk-suicide-scene
I didnt see anything and they have blacked out alot of space in most photos

[Whisper]

Big Story Around Here,New Evidence,More Victims?

Defenders find new evidence in Oakland County Child Killer case
Victims' families fight to have investigative documents made public

DETROIT -
The Local 4 Defenders have found never before seen evidence in the Oakland County Child Killer case.

Investigators were told the files were destroyed, but the Defenders went digging. Someone saved a copy all these years just in case it might lead to the identity of the Oakland County Child Killer.

The Defenders turned the documents over to the Oakland County and Wayne County prosecutors' offices, and to the Michigan State Police, which is in charge of the task force investigating the murders.
You go up there, do a little homework and provide it to us. God bless you," said Barry King, whose son Timothy King was among the victims killed.

The King family had never before seen dozens of the documents which detail facts and information that police and prosecutors never knew.

Now, the documents are open for investigation for the first time. They include an investigator's notes from a sexual predator investigation in Montmorency County. It reads, "The Oakland County task force that was involved in the investigation of the kidnapping and homicide of five juveniles ... became involved in this matter." The document is dated Jan. 31, 1977. That was before Timothy King was abducted and killed.

"It's disturbing that chunks of evidence are missing or haven't been looked at," said Chris King, Timothy King's brother.

The King family had no idea that there was a task force before Tim's abduction and no idea that he might be the 6th victim. They were told for more than 30 years that there were only four victims: Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mehalic, Jill Robinson and Timothy King.

"We just want to make sure police and the prosecutors have done their due diligence and have done their job," Chris King said. "We just want to make sure that police have all evidence, look at all the evidence and follow it where it leads."

Sources say the task force is looking at the possibility of at least two more victims.

The victims' families are suing law enforcement to release more documents. They want everything known about the Oakland County Child Killer made public, citing John Walsh of America's Most Wanted. Walsh did just that to find out who killed his son, Adam.

"(Adam's) father, John Walsh, fought the judge to the end about making the records available to the public," Barry King said. "They finally made it available to the public, and two new witnesses show up, tying young Adam to the principle suspect."

The King family and police are pouring through the new documents discovered by the Defenders. They are finding several new clues. They say the documents show known suspects have been changing their stories.

Last summer, the Defenders reported that investigators from Wayne County took a road trip to northern Michigan. They were looking for physical evidence and criminal files involving two suspects in the case: Christopher Busch and James Vincent Gunnels. Gunnels told police he was abused by Busch at a family cottage in Montmorency County. However, when investigators arrived at the cottage, they found it had been torn down and the 35-year-old files were destroyed to make room for newer cases.

A Local 4 viewer saw the Defenders' reports and called with a surprise: They had saved a copy of the files, just in case.

Now, that viewer's gut instinct may help solve the case of Michigan's biggest unsolved serial murder mystery.
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Defenders-find-new-evidence-in-Oakland-County-Child-Killer-case/-/1719314/8610940/-/wy6o18/-/index.html


good video at link

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Canadian law students revamping this cold case up
College students investigate Oakland County Child Killer case
University of Western Ontario students focus on cold cases

DETROIT -
These Canadian college students turn cold cases into open cases.

They're work has even led to arrests. This year's class project is one that hits close to home for Metro Detroiters: The Oakland County Child Killer case.

In 1976 and 1977, four Oakland County children were kidnapped, help captive for days and then killed and place along public streets in Metro Detroit. The children ranged between ages 10 and 12. They were meticulously bathed and their clothes were cleaned prior to being found.
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The objective is really to use new media research techniques, to look into old files on cold cases," said Renee Willmon, of the University of Western Ontario's Cold Case Society.

Now, there are fresh eyes digging into the 35-year-old mystery.

"And hopefully provide some outside consultation and analysis to aid the investigation wherever possible," Willmon said.

The students are trying to do what investigative units have failed to do up to this point: Solve the Oakland County Child Killer case.

"There are 15 of us from different programs on campus who have an interest in investigation and forensic kind of work who are working on this case," said Willmon. http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/College-students-investigate-Oakland-County-Child-Killer-case/-/1719314/10225842/-/lswoidz/-/index.html

video at links pretty good

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Attorney says more victims possible in Oakland County Child Killer case

(WXYZ) - [...]
An attorney has called a press conference to announce alleged new victims that may be tied to the Oakland County Child Killer case.

Four children were abducted and murdered between 1976 and 1977 and so far, their killer has never been caught.

Attorney Paul Hughes announced a press conference for next Tuesday in which he plans to raise questions about how Oakland County prosecutor Jessica Cooper has handled the case.

Hughes also suggests in his press release that as many as 11 additional victims may be tied to the serial killings, and is calling for an independent investigation by the Department of Justice.
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/attorney-says-more-victims-possible-in-oakland-county-child-killer-case#ixzz1sL50JXF2

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Detroit lawyer files suit alleging cover-up in Oakland County Child Killer case

WXYZ) - A Detroit attorney has filed a $100 million dollar lawsuit against the Oakland County Prosecutor, the Oakland County Sheriff and the Michigan State Police.

He’s expected to hold a press conference tomorrow, where he’ll announce other potential victims of the child killer.

The lawsuit alleges a conspiracy, cover-up, and misconduct by the prosecutor.

The members of two of the victims’ families have led a very public battle for more information about who killed four innocent children in the 1970s. But those family members - who’ve been so public about their quest – say the announcement of this press conference took them by surprise and they don’t know what to expect.

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It never goes away. It never dies. And anybody who says there’s any closure – there is no such thing,” said Kristine Mihelich’s stepfather, Tom Ascroft.

Between 1976 and 1977, Kristine and 3 other children who lived along the Woodward Corridor were abducted, held for days, and then murdered.

Despite the fact that secret grand juries in both Oakland and Wayne Counties have been hearing testimony about the killings – Detroit attorney Paul Hughes is calling a press conference. Hughes says he’s representing Debbie Jarvis, Kristine’s mother.

But the other family members who have been actively pursuing answers in the case for years – including the King family, Ascroft, and Kristine’s sister Erica McAvoy -- say they knew nothing about the upcoming press conference.

“We’re really saddened that something would happen like this, without us being notified,” Ascroft told 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo.

Hughes tells 7 Action News that he plans to suggest that as many as 11 additional child serial killer victims could be connected to the four – and he’s suggesting a cover-up with-in law enforcement.

Hughes also announced a website to solicit donations to fund his efforts.

On the site, a donation of $1,500 will get you a copy of the report that will allegedly be submitted to the Department of Justice, or DOJ, once that report is finished.

“When I saw it, when my daughter Erica saw it, and a few other people, we were upset. Because we weren’t asking for money, we don’t want money,” said Ascroft.

“I lost my son, and I know what it means to lose a son. For somebody to say donate money to me, I can solve this crime – it pisses me off,” said Oakland County Executive Brooks Patterson. Patterson was the prosecutor during the child killings.

“We were doing everything we could as these crimes became more expansive and went from 2 to 3 to 4. To suggest that somebody in that system would have had any reason to protect the killer and cover up legitimate evidence, that’s an outrage,” said Patterson.

Hughes won’t say what evidence he has to connect the four children to additional victims, but says he will turn it over to the DOJ if they answer his call to investigate.

But the DOJ is already involved – the FBI’s labs have been used to analyze evidence in this case, and FBI agents have helped the Task Force over the years.

Extensive profiles of the victims of serial killers are already maintained the in FBI’s ViCAP system – a national law enforcement database that automatically looks for links between other potential victims.

“In our experience, we have had all sorts of leads and claims that we investigate,” said Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper.

Cooper can’t discuss any case that’s currently before the grand jury – but she did tell us she doesn’t know how someone who hasn’t been part of the investigation can cry foul unless he or she knows all the facts.

“If somebody wants to write a book, somebody wants to become famous, somebody wants to make $1,500 a hit on whatever it is he’s selling in this press conference he’s calling - that’s not fair. It’s not fair to people who are legitimately looking and investigating and trying to find it – its definitively unfortunate to have family members exploited again and again,” said Cooper.

The press conference is scheduled for Tuesday morning at 11:00 a.m. 7 Action News will be there, and we’ll bring you all of the latest information right here on WXYZ.com.http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/detroit-lawyer-files-suit-alleging-cover-up-in-oakland-county-child-killer-case#ixzz1svLU0Uta

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New information released in Oakland County child killer case
Photos of Oakland County Child Killer suspect's suicide scene released
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/New-information-released-in-Oakland-County-child-killer-case/-/1719314/7683962/-/u5v0mg/-/index.html


27 pics here
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/occk-suicide-scene
I didnt see anything and they have blacked out alot of space in most photos


Oh sweet baby Jesus.....I saw the picture they say looks like Mark Stebbins and when I looked for further information it said that when the killer had dressed the boy he put his jacket on and pulled up the hood before placing him next to the dumpster where he was found. The picture depicts a screaming child wearing a hooded jacket. He may have been the first, which may explain why Busch kept the drawing of him for so long. Like stated in the article above there may have been more prior to him.

I almost wish I didn't read the details.....ugh. The articles here thus far have not been specific and I probably shouldn't have went looking for more.

I haven't even clicked the links to the other victims and I am blown away by the story of Mark Stebbins. The police messed up, the killer possibly taunting the police and family the day of the funeral. Just aweful shit. Not to mention details on his death. Oye, I know I need to stop reading but can't help myself.

Okay after reading more I feel the previous cases were unrelated. Two people are serving time for 2 of those previous deaths. Also the ages and area are all wrong. So is the MO. I don't know why people linked them to these murders but I highly doubt it.

I just read the case of Jillian....my God she knew someone would shoot her some day to the point she had a severe anixety and fear of it. It broke my heart. Broke my heart how she probably didn't die right away even though being shot in the head. Then again the police dropped the ball and destroyed evidence....fuck man.


Here are some things I found odd. Why did he only shoot the one victim? Did she tell him her fear and he used it against her? Secondly after reading all 4 stories he only sexually assulted the boys. The girls had no evidence of penetration though they do believe he had the girls perform oral (they found seman on Kristine though she had not been penetrated vaginally or anally) Just bizarre. Another thing I don't understand is why did he stop? Whoever the killer is seemed to enjoy taunting the police. Something must have spooked him. It's crazy.

For those interested enough & haven't read it already I'm reading from this website.

http://greatadthulhu.angelfire.com/page3.html

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Oh sweet baby Jesus.....I saw the picture they say looks like Mark Stebbins and when I looked for further information it said that when the killer had dressed the boy he put his jacket on and pulled up the hood before placing him next to the dumpster where he was found. The picture depicts a screaming child wearing a hooded jacket. He was the first, which may explain why Busch kept the drawing of him for so long.

I almost wish I didn't read the details.....ugh. The articles here thus far have not been specific and I probably shouldn't have went looking for more.

I haven't even clicked the links to the other victims and I am blown away by the story of Mark Stebbins. The police messed up, the killer possibly taunting the police and family the day of the funeral. Just aweful shit. Not to mention details on his death. Oye, I know I need to stop reading but can't help myself.

For those interested enough & haven't read it already I'm reading from this website.

http://greatadthulhu.angelfire.com/page3.html

The whole thing is horrible but the ones that stand out to me is the one girl was shot in the face
and the King family was on tv news begging for his return and said they would have his fave dinner of KFC when he came home
and he was found a day or 2 later and autopsy showed he had just ate KFC before being killed
The killers prob saw that on news

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Marion King wrote that she hoped Timothy could come home soon so she could serve him his favorite meal, Kentucky Fried Chicken. In the late evening hours of March 22, 1977, two teenagers in a car spotted his body in a shallow ditch alongside Gill Road, about 300 feet south of Eight Mile Road in Livonia, just across the county line in Wayne County. His skateboard was placed next to his body. His clothing had been neatly pressed and washed. He had been suffocated and sexually assaulted with an object. The postmortem showed that Timothy had eaten fried chicken before he was slain.[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer

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Im not sure how close these roads were where they were found
I have heard and driven on some (I think) but the one that sticks out is 8 Mile,I wonder if it was as bad back then as it is now and thats why they dropped him there to maybe try and make it look like someone from around there did it

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The whole thing is horrible but the ones that stand out to me is the one girl was shot in the face
and the King family was on tv news begging for his return and said they would have his fave dinner of KFC when he came home
and he was found a day or 2 later and autopsy showed he had just ate KFC before being killed
The killers prob saw that on news

Oh don't I know it. She must have told him about her fear and he used it against her. That or somehow he already knew about the fear. It broke my heart. Something in her inner concious knew she would die that way. How fucking horrible it came to pass. Her poor mother has to live knowing that the nightmare she assurred her daughter would never happen did in deed happen.

The man obviously saw the news report and I believe he did feed him KFC to taunt the family & police. They also mentioned reports that he had a chicken bone in his pocket and/or a funeral card from another victim on him.

This man taunted the police. With the first victim on the day of his funeral someone (presumed the killer) left Mark's funeral card in the exact spot the he was placed when they found him. He may have very well have been at the funeral since the mother didn't recognize everyone who attended. The 2nd victim was left within view of the police station and was killed in a personal manner that matched her worst fear. The 3rd victim was left on a street that had an eerily similar name as the pyschrist who was working with the police and often spoke publicly about the murders. He also left clear hand prints in the snow with her. With Tim he made his most outright stab at the family and police. There was no question he was taunting them.

So why did he stop? I find that so weird. He had to have moved or been arrested. He seemed like he was having a good time toying with the police. He seemed to have no problems finding victims. It makes me shudder to think this guy could still be in the area.

I wonder what will become of this and I wonder what the press conference will be about.

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Oh don't I know it. She must have told him about her fear and he used it against her. That or somehow he already knew about the fear. It broke my heart. Something in her inner concious knew she would die that way. How fucking horrible it came to pass. Her poor mother has to live knowing that the nightmare she assurred her daughter would never happen did in deed happen.

The man obviously saw the news report and I believe he did feed him KFC to taunt the family & police. They also mentioned reports that he had a chicken bone in his pocket and/or a funeral card from another victim on him.

This man taunted the police. With the first victim on the day of his funeral someone (presumed the killer) left Mark's funeral card in the exact spot the he was placed when they found him. He may have very well have been at the funeral since the mother didn't recognize everyone who attended. The 2nd victim was left within view of the police station and was killed in a personal manner that matched her worst fear. The 3rd victim was left on a street that had an eerily similar name as the pyschrist who was working with the police and often spoke publicly about the murders. He also left clear hand prints in the snow with her. With Tim he made his most outright stab at the family and police. There was no question he was taunting them.

So why did he stop? I find that so weird. He had to have moved or been arrested. He seemed like he was having a good time toying with the police. He seemed to have no problems finding victims. It makes me shudder to think this guy could still be in the area.

I wonder what will become of this and I wonder what the press conference will be about.

Its stopped after the one guy committed suicide,he was being investigated by cops
and his familys millionaires (Busche or Budweiser,some beer company)
I have a complete file at home on my desk top,im at work on my desk and dont have them on this newer laptop
they pretty much have all the proof and released alot just before xmas but its all on my other comp
They are now searching his family cabin and did once before and found hairs and stuff and comic books etc
but as soon as it turned to the guy he committed suicide and his family somehow managed to sway LE
When Im home tomorrow after Im up Ill dig the recent files I have explaining the rich kid
They say he had a accomplice though too and that guys alive and recently took his DNA
Seen older cases solved with DNA and i think they are really alot closer to the end and settling it then they are telling us

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Im not sure how close these roads were where they were found
I have heard and driven on some (I think) but the one that sticks out is 8 Mile,I wonder if it was as bad back then as it is now and thats why they dropped him there to maybe try and make it look like someone from around there did it

I'm not sure if you are talking about the possible previous victims or the 4 confirmed.

Possible victim Donna Serra lived in Ray Township which is north of me. It's northern Macomb County. It's approximately one hour plus away from the 4 confirmed killings.

Second Possilbe Victim lived in Bloomfield Township which is hours north of Oakland County.

Third Victim-Article doesn't say where they were at but the guy broke into the house....our guys MO is to pluck them off the street.

Keep in mind with mile roads they are usually one mile apart literally.

With Mark Stebbins he was in Ferndale when he was taken. He was at 9 mile and Livernois. The area I do not believe was as bad back then as it is now. Today it's an okay area but not nice by any means. He was found in Southfield which is only about a 10 minute drive if you take 696. They are basically neighboring cities.

Now Jill Robinson I believe was taken from Royal Oak. It says she was last seen near Tiny Tim's which is on Gardenia which is equal too 11 1/2 mile road. Royal Oak directly borders Ferndale (where Mark was taken). She was left in Troy at I-75 & Big Beaver (Big Beaver is the name for 16 mile road in Troy) It is about a 15 minute drive between where she was taken and where she was left. It is believed he chose to leave her there because it was within view of the police station (now the guy had to have had some balls to pull over and leave her on the side of a major highway) Though I'm not sure why he would taunt the Troy police. They were not involved in any of the investigations so far.

Kristine Mihelich was taken in Berkley. It is between Troy and Royal Oak but closer to Royal Oak. The girl was taken near 12 mile road. She was then left in Franklin Village (now referred to only as Franklin) on Bruce Lane which is near 13 mile and Telegraph. It is Northwest of Southfield (where Mark was found) It is a 15 minute drive from where she was taken.

Lastly; Tim King was taken from Birmingham. The article says he was last seen on Maple (15 mile Road). Birmingham borders Troy and Berkley. He was less than 5 miles from where Jill was left on I-75. He was found in Livonia which is the furthest out of all the victims. Livonia is about a 30 minute drive from Birmingham. It is southwest of the cities previously mentioned.

So basically all the kids linked to the killer where in a small area of Oakland County (which is a large county that covers a lot of area) It takes no more then 30 minutes to go to any point on his route. I'm not sure of actual millege

So to sum it up all the locations were between 8 and 16 mile road. And around Telegraph (close to were both Tim and Kristine were found) and I-75. That would be 8 miles north and south and 10 miles East & West.


All the locations of the citities the children were taken from are off Woodward Road. It runs through Ferndale, Royal Oak, Berkley and Birmingham. In the case of Mark Stebbins who was on Livernois, Woodward runs slanted on that side of town so the distance is less then a mile.

This guy for some reason chose locations all on the same road within miles of each other to take his victims. 9 mile to 11 1/2 mile. Then to 12 Mile. And lastly up to 15 mile. He was moving north when taking his victims. I wonder if that was intentional or not. I have no idea why he stopped there as Woodward goes a bit further north. I think it ends near Pontiac.

If I knew where the office building in Southfield where Mark was left was I could probably narrow it down to Telegraph road since Telegraph runs just West of Southfield. Not on Telegraph but real close too so maybe there is a link there. It appears 3 of the sites were near Telegraph Road (with the exception of Jill who was left on I-75 but they feel that was to taunt police) Then again Jill was the only one killed in a manner other than strangulation/suffocation. For some reason her case is the one that slightly varies from the rest of them. Hmmmm.....

Do we know where the two suspects lived at the time?

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Its stopped after the one guy committed suicide,he was being investigated by cops
and his familys millionaires (Busche or Budweiser,some beer company)
I have a complete file at home on my desk top,im at work on my desk and dont have them on this newer laptop
they pretty much have all the proof and released alot just before xmas but its all on my other comp
They are now searching his family cabin and did once before and found hairs and stuff and comic books etc
but as soon as it turned to the guy he committed suicide and his family somehow managed to sway LE
When Im home tomorrow after Im up Ill dig the recent files I have explaining the rich kid
They say he had a accomplice though too and that guys alive and recently took his DNA
Seen older cases solved with DNA and i think they are really alot closer to the end and settling it then they are telling us

If that's the case he probably did it. He committed suicide knowing he was close to being caught. It would make sense. He wouldn't be the first pedo/murdered to take his own life instead of facing the music.

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Holy Moly Mother or Pearl.... Sorry if this info was already posted. I didn't remember reading this here. I feel so bad for Tim's parents (his mother passed away in 2004) because this guy had been in custody for molesting other children! He plead guilty to a lesser charge and got probabation! If they had kept him in custody Tim would probably still be alive (it was already too late for the others) My God what a failure of justice.

I'm not posting the entire article. You can read it in full here http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367/1409/rss36


Other children molested by Busch and his companion Gregory Greene told the Oakland County Child Killings Task Force in 1977 that the two men would drive them around in their cars and would have them "lure kids closer to the car by talking to them." One victim said he had been choked unconscious while being molested.
This victim also said he recognized photos of Timothy as being the same boy seen with Busch. He said he saw a Polaroid photo of Timothy tied up in Busch's car.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367#ixzz1swQrBj8H


an Oakland County Child Killing Task Force interview about his pedophile activity, Busch is said to have listed the locations where he picked up and dropped off boys in the same chronological order that matched the abduction sites of the other three Oakland County children who were killed: Nine Mile and Woodward Avenue in Ferndale (the same location from which Mark Stebbins disappeared), 13 Mile and Woodward in Royal Oak (Jill Robinson was last seen near the Tiny Tim Hobby Center) and the 7-Eleven on 12 Mile in Berkley (where Kristine Mihelich went to purchase a teen magazine). Timothy had not yet been abducted.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367#ixzz1swRd6XDh


In late January 1977, Busch, then 27, was facing a rape charge in Flint and was questioned by Flint and task force investigators about the murder of Mark Stebbins, the first victim in the Oakland County child killings. According to the records, several investigators and then-Deputy Oakland County Prosecutor Dick Thompson thought Busch would be charged with the Stebbins murder, based on his criminal record and responses to investigators. But after a lie detector test was administered by Michigan State Police examiner Ralph Cabot, Busch was released.
Six weeks later, Timothy was abducted and murdered.


From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367#ixzz1swTPoopA

Yep somebody got paid off to make it go away.


In 2006, former neighbor Patrick Coffey, a licensed polygrapher, called the Kings with information that Larry Wasser, a Southfield polygrapher, had confided to him that Busch had implicated himself in the child killings during a polygraph exam he conducted more than 30 years ago.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367#ixzz1swSGDLbk

Sounds like a payoff to me.


Other findings in the State Police report: A tip was called into the Montmorency Sheriff's Department while Busch was at his family cottage on Ess Lake near Hillman. A woman pleaded with police to go to the cottage, saying she had seen Busch — known to her as a pedophile out on bond — in town with minors. The call came on March 19, 1977, during the time Timothy was missing, which was between March 16 and March 22. There was no indication that law enforcement acted on the tip. A former cellmate of Greene's told detectives Williams and Gray that Greene said "he got away with killing four kids in the past." Greene died in prison of a heart attack in 1995. He was 45.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367#ixzz1swSYOufg

Why did nobody even bother to check up on the tip??? WTF!!!!!!


In early 2008, Williams enlisted three independent polygraph examiners to re-examine the original polygraphs of Busch and Greene that led to Busch's release in the Stebbins investigation. Their findings are blocked out in the documents the King family received.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367#ixzz1swTqWGBH

Can you say cover up because it sure in the Hell looks like one!!!!!!


Charles Busch, Christopher Busch's only living sibling, requested that as a condition for supplying his DNA, family members living in Michigan be allowed to enter a "witness protection-type program." He also said that later in his life, his father, H. Lee Busch, who died at age 90 in 2002, shredded all of the family documents, including birth certificates.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367#ixzz1swU7YtNf

You think his family knew he did this or at least suspect he is the killer. How convient the same daddy that bailed him out of jail on 4 different molestation charges shredded every piece of family documents. Convient yet odd...hmmmm...


"I will feel like justice has been served when the Oakland County prosecutor explains to me why Busch is not guilty. I am sick and tired of a four-time convicted sexual pedophile being treated better than my family and the families of Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich and Jill Robinson."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20101228/METRO02/12280367#ixzz1swUYeKhY

AGREED!

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I'm not sure if you are talking about the possible previous victims or the 4 confirmed.
No Im talking the first 4 original confirmed kids

If that's the case he probably did it. He committed suicide knowing he was close to being caught. It would make sense. He wouldn't be the first pedo/murdered to take his own life instead of facing the music.
Yeah theres mega evidence he did it


Yep somebody got paid off to make it go away.
Sounds like a payoff to me.
Why did nobody even bother to check up on the tip??? WTF!!!!!!
Can you say cover up because it sure in the Hell looks like one!!!!!!
You think his family knew he did this or at least suspect he is the killer. How convient the same daddy that bailed him out of jail on 4 different molestation charges shredded every piece of family documents. Convient yet odd...hmmmm...
AGREED!

They had money,daddy was a big wig in Michigan and he paid whoever to make it go away
Thats why the woman annouced today is being sued her name is Cooper
She took DNA that wasnt tested all sorts of crap shes pulled over the years
Not all out yet but heres a bit
Detroit lawyer files suit alleging cover-up in Oakland County Child Killer case

WXYZ) - A Detroit attorney has filed a $100 million dollar lawsuit against the Oakland County Prosecutor, the Oakland County Sheriff and the Michigan State Police.
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The lawsuit alleges a conspiracy, cover-up, and misconduct by the prosecutor.
The members of two of the victims’ families have led a very public battle for more information about who killed four innocent children in the 1970s. But those family members - who’ve been so public about their quest – say the announcement of this press conference took them by surprise and they don’t know what to expect.
Thirty-six years may have passed since the Oakland County Child Killer first struck – but for the families of the children who were murdered – the pain will never vanish.
“It never goes away. It never dies. And anybody who says there’s any closure – there is no such thing,” said Kristine Mihelich’s stepfather, Tom Ascroft.
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Despite the fact that secret grand juries in both Oakland and Wayne Counties have been hearing testimony about the killings – Detroit attorney Paul Hughes is calling a press conference. Hughes says he’s representing Debbie Jarvis, Kristine’s mother.
But the other family members who have been actively pursuing answers in the case for years – including the King family, Ascroft, and Kristine’s sister Erica McAvoy -- say they knew nothing about the upcoming press conference. “We’re really saddened that something would happen like this, without us being notified,” Ascroft told 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo.
Hughes tells 7 Action News that he plans to suggest that as many as 11 additional child serial killer victims could be connected to the four – and he’s suggesting a cover-up with-in law enforcement.
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“In our experience, we have had all sorts of leads and claims that we investigate,” said Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica CooperCooper can’t discuss any case that’s currently before the grand jury – but she did tell us she doesn’t know how someone who hasn’t been part of the investigation can cry foul unless he or she knows all the facts.

“If somebody wants to write a book, somebody wants to become famous, somebody wants to make $1,500 a hit on whatever it is he’s selling in this press conference he’s calling - that’s not fair. It’s not fair to people who are legitimately looking and investigating and trying to find it – its definitively unfortunate to have family members exploited again and again,” said Cooper..
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/detroit-lawyer-files-suit-alleging-cover-up-in-oakland-county-child-killer-case#ixzz1syid9CiS



Victim's family says Oakland County Child Killer might have been in law enforcement
April 24, 2012

His name is Bob.
He may be involved in law enforcement.
And he believes someone in law enforcement is – or was – the Oakland County Child Killer and may be responsible for eight or more additional slayings than the four previously credited to the killer in 1976-77.

That’s the upshot of a news conference this morning in downtown Detroit, where attorney Paul Hughes and his client, Deborah Jarvis, the mother of one of the victims, explained why they filed a $100-million federal lawsuit Monday against Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, County Sheriff Michael Bouchard and Michigan State Police investigators involved in the unsolved case.

They want the investigation turned over to the Justice Department for a new, independent probe by someone that Bob – the mysterious confidential informant – would be willing to work with to solve the 35-year-old case.

During the hour-long news conference, Hughes accused Oakland County authorities and state police of bungling the investigation or discovering something so terrible, that authorities have covered it up and concealed it from the victims’ families all these years.

“It’s either political embarrassment or something highly disturbing about what they found,” Hughes said at the news conference at the Courtyard by Marriott hotel.

Hughes and Jarvis said they don’t know Bob’s real identity or exactly what he knows. But Hughes said Oakland County and state investigators have refused to provide a piece of information Bob requested to continue his investigation.

Hughes said he faxed letters last night to Michigan Senators Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow and U.S. Rep. John Conyers, asking them to urge the Justice Department to take over the investigation.

There was no immediate response from the legislators or the Justice Department. The Michigan State Police declined Monday to comment on the case.

Cooper and Bouchard on Monday accused Hughes of trying to exploit the families of the victims, including Jarvis. They said they cannot share information from an ongoing investigation without compromising the case.

"I feel terrible for the families and would do anything to bring closure," Bouchard said.

He also said the Justice Department has been involved in the investigation through the FBI.

Cooper said Hughes’ claims are groundless.

"This is a family that's been grieving for 30 years and that grief is now being exploited," she said, referring to Hughes. "And that's the tragedy here."

[...]
The lawsuit says Cooper and Bouchard, their staffs and three State Police employees, including two detectives, have refused to release information about the case to the parents of the victims, preventing them from suing the suspects in civil court.

Hughes says Cooper convened a grand jury investigation last year to somehow prevent Bob from going to the FBI with his report detailing gross mismanagement of the investigation or that they were actively involved in a cover-up to protect the killer.

During today’s news conference, Hughes acknowledged that he is seeking donations to finance the lawsuit. A website is offering for $1,500 Bob’s complete investigation report if and when it becomes public.http://www.freep.com/article/20120424/NEWS03/120424047/Oakland-County-Child-Killer-press-conference?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAG E

Todays presser really just showed they are grasping at straws,I really feel for all the families
But that lawyers on crack or something
Hes totally going in a diff direction that had absolutely no merit or proof
Compared to all the proof they have regarding the Busch kid that committed suicide

[VAS1326]

No Im talking the first 4 original confirmed kids

Yeah theres mega evidence he did it


They had money,daddy was a big wig in Michigan and he paid whoever to make it go away
Thats why the woman annouced today is being sued her name is Cooper
She took DNA that wasnt tested all sorts of crap shes pulled over the years
Not all out yet but heres a bit
Detroit lawyer files suit alleging cover-up in Oakland County Child Killer case

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/detroit-lawyer-files-suit-alleging-cover-up-in-oakland-county-child-killer-case#ixzz1syid9CiS



Victim's family says Oakland County Child Killer might have been in law enforcement
April 24, 2012
http://www.freep.com/article/20120424/NEWS03/120424047/Oakland-County-Child-Killer-press-conference?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAG E

Todays presser really just showed they are grasping at straws,I really feel for all the families
But that lawyers on crack or something
Hes totally going in a diff direction that had absolutely no merit or proof
Compared to all the proof they have regarding the Busch kid that committed suicide

I definitely feel there was a cover-up of some sort. They had this man in custody and they had enough to hold him and possibly even charge him in the murder of Mark Stebbins. Yet they suddenly let him go. He is found guilty of molesting 4 children and he gets probation. His dad paid his way out of jail each of those 4 charges. They let him go. Had they charged him in the murder of Mark Stebbins I'm willing to bet my house the other 3 children would still be alive today. That is infuriating! I can't blame the families for being out raged. It doesn't help that in almost all the cases local police botched the crime scences and possibly contaminated evidence. I mean this is years of LE mess up's the families have been dealing with.

I do think the lawyer is a bit of a whack-a-do. First off since when does a laywer ask anyone to help pay for case expenses? Does he only represent one family? My opinion if the families have a lawyer working for them then he should have paid the 11,000 for the report. Those expenses are suppose to recouped when the case settles (he takes his share of any money awarded the family) I think it's obsurd to ask the public to buy a report to fund the lawsuit. Most lawyers in cases like this get paid after the fact. It does make me wonder if he is just trying to make a quick buck.

Then who is this "Bob" guy. Sounds to me like he did an individual investigation but that report has been lost or withheld. If it does exist it would be interesting to see what that report found. Whenever something is withheld it makes you wonder what is in it that they don't want you to see.

I don't believe Cooper was the prosecutor in the 1970's however her office is being sued because it's proper procedure. I do not think she personally is the one who took payoff money back in the 70's or had anything to do with letting him go. Though she may be responsible for keeping it under the rug so to speak. Same thing goes for the Chief of Police. It's been 30 plus years. People retire, die and move on. So the people responsible for the payoff and initial cover up may not even be around anymore.

I do think someone took money to let Busch free. I do believe his family believes he did it. I think his father knew but didn't want the bad rap for his family's reputation. I mean his mother tried to pay off witnesses in his molestation cases. They were more worried about saving face then admitting their son was a monster who needed to go to jail. When the heat got too hot and even daddy couldn't bail him out of the murder's and police were closing in the guy kills himself. To me that says a lot. If you were innocent you would use your family money to buy the best damn lawyer and try to clear your name. I'm willing to bet his father told him that he couldn't buy his way out of a murder wrap if they have solid evidence against him. His dad probaby told him I won't help you (his reputation was on the line and he probably wanted to distance himself from a child killer) Since daddy couldn't or wouldn't get him off the hook he killed himself. Though I have to say the house he killed himself in didn't look expensive. So I'm thinking he was on his own financially. The only reason his parents bailed him out the first time was to save face.

It's just aweful that 3 lives were lost when they didn't need to be. If they had kept this guy in jail 3 children would be full grown adults today. It's sad.

[Whisper]

I do think someone took money to let Busch free. I do believe his family believes he did it. I think his father knew but didn't want the bad rap for his family's reputation. I mean his mother tried to pay off witnesses in his molestation cases. They were more worried about saving face then admitting their son was a monster who needed to go to jail. When the heat got too hot and even daddy couldn't bail him out of the murder's and police were closing in the guy kills himself. To me that says a lot. If you were innocent you would use your family money to buy the best damn lawyer and try to clear your name. I'm willing to bet his father told him that he couldn't buy his way out of a murder wrap if they have solid evidence against him. His dad probaby told him I won't help you (his reputation was on the line and he probably wanted to distance himself from a child killer) Since daddy couldn't or wouldn't get him off the hook he killed himself. Though I have to say the house he killed himself in didn't look expensive. So I'm thinking he was on his own financially. The only reason his parents bailed him out the first time was to save face.
I saw lastnight theres a special coming out on Channel 4 but they havent said when Ill let you know if I catch the date and time
But what I caught from the short promo its Brookes Patterson thats really starting to come under fire
I dont know why
I have research back and see where he stood in this mess at that time
I was so small and didnt live here (in the city) at the time
So Im not sure what office he held (if any)
Maybe he pocketed money out of the deal

Its all so familiar to Kwame and the stripper murder Tamara Greene aka Strawberry
Names that lately have come out in that remind me now of Pattersons name being mentioned
I knew Mike Cox called off the investigation into her murder BUT
I just recently found out he was at that party!
So there you go,they deny there was a party
call it urban legend all they want they now have proof he was at the party they are attempting to put a diff date to it

So its going to be interesting to see where Brookes Patterson fits into this probe being squashed into the murders

[VAS1326]

I saw lastnight theres a special coming out on Channel 4 but they havent said when Ill let you know if I catch the date and time
But what I caught from the short promo its Brookes Patterson thats really starting to come under fire
I dont know why
I have research back and see where he stood in this mess at that time
I was so small and didnt live here (in the city) at the time
So Im not sure what office he held (if any)
Maybe he pocketed money out of the deal

Its all so familiar to Kwame and the stripper murder Tamara Greene aka Strawberry
Names that lately have come out in that remind me now of Pattersons name being mentioned
I knew Mike Cox called off the investigation into her murder BUT
I just recently found out he was at that party!
So there you go,they deny there was a party
call it urban legend all they want they now have proof he was at the party they are attempting to put a diff date to it

So its going to be interesting to see where Brookes Patterson fits into this probe being squashed into the murders



I would be interested in seeing the special coming out so do let me know if you catch when it's airing.

I was not yet born when this happened so of course I know nothing about it. My parents got married in 1977 and
they were living in the area (both my parents lived in Troy before they got married and were living in a city near where the kids
were taken in 1977-78 I didn't come along until 1980) I grew up off the of the street Jill was taken from. I had driven by that spot several times in my life. I have driven by the spot she was left on I-75 more times than I can count. Her body was left about a mile from the cemetary where my husband and other family members are burried. I've driven past that spot and never knew about her. Everytime I go that way now I will have to wonder exactly where she was (If I had to guess it would be the southbound side since that's the side the police station is on) I should ask my mom if she remembers anything about the case.

Anyways; let me know what you find on Brooks Patterson and where he fit into the mystery. I'm intrigued by this case.

[VAS1326]

So I asked my mom about this since she lived in the area. She remember the details that we had already dug up.
She asked me if I thought it there was a cover up.....lol. That turned into one long conversation.

[Whisper]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2125ls5.jpg
Sketch by Christopher Busch found at suicide scene

The man who claims he has information that could crack the Oakland County Child Killer case released a statement for the first time Friday on the Charlie Langton 1270 Talk Radio show, saying the killers are still alive.


And another bombshell dropped: Barry King, father of victim Timothy King, filed a Freedom of Information claim and quietly won when Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Wendy Potts ruled Oakland County prosecutor Jessica Cooper has to appear in court July 27 and produce an update on the 35-year-old case.

“We had a motion for the order to show cause and she (Potts) just ruled that it’s time for her (Cooper) to come to court and tell us under oath what she has,” King said.

That’s something new in the case that has bedeviled Oakland County law enforcement for decades, since four children were kidnapped in separate incidents in Oakland County between February 1976 and March 1977, and turned up later in shallow graves. Two boys and two girls, they had all been held for days before being killed. Their bodies had been washed, clothes cleaned and pressed, and they’d been fed wherever they’d been held in captivity. It set off a national panic.

Just as fast as the killings started, they stopped. And a search for justice has continued since.

A man known only as Bob has come forward claiming he has information based on thousands of hours of research. He’s legitimate enough that former Detroit Police Chief Ike McKinnon brokered a meeting in October 2010 with Bob, the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office, and top investigators.

Bob wanted to give up a bit of information he said he had in exchange for getting a bit of information from the prosecutor that had never been released. Cooper refused, and the relationship fell apart.

Bob weighed in during a roundtable Langton hosted with Debbie Jarvis, mother of 10-year-old victim Kristine Mehelich, attorney Paul Hughes, and Barry King, father of victim Timothy King. Jarvis filed a $100 million lawsuit earlier this week demanding that Cooper release information that she believes could solve the case.

Issued exclusively to Langton, Bob’s statement said the killers — who he said he knows are still alive — changed their pattern after they were nearly caught at the scene where Timothy King, 11, was left. They stopped leaving victims out for the public to find, he said, adding he thinks six more killings should be tied to the Oakland Child Killer.

In the killing that Bob said changed their pattern, King was slain shortly before he was discovered. His body was still warm when teen-agers stumbled onto him in a shallow ditch along 8 Mile Road in Livonia.

[...]
“I’m not really going to comment on that at this time, but the constitution says crime victims have the right to meet
with the prosecutor,” King said. Because Cooper hasn’t met with him or the families of other victims, she now has to appear in open court, under oath, and discuss the case.

“She has to come to court and tell us why she’s not producing the documents we’ve requested,” King added.

The father added that he believes it’s possible more than one person was involved in the killings, and he believes there’s enough circumstantial evidence against a convicted pedophile, Christopher Busch, who committed suicide in November 1978, to look at him again.

King said he got a call last Friday from a woman who saw a TV show about the case and remembered seeing Timothy King in a car with a man who looked like Christopher Bush. “That’s the first time I got any kind of lead that he was involved with them,” King said.

The woman reported that she was driving down M-59, passed a blue Gremlim and saw Tim inside. She reported it at the time to Birmingham police, who had asked the public to stay on alert after King disappeared.

“She saw the picture of Christopher Busch, and said, ‘That’s the man I saw,’” King said.

Bob said he believes there could be six more victims, at least one out-of state, that match the way the four were killed in Oakland County.

Some questioned whether Bob himself could be involved — and Cooper said she wouldn’t negotiate with someone who could be calling from a “mental institution.”

“I have spent over $100,000 of my personal funds, almost 5,000 hours and have made clear that I want no money in return for obtaining justice,” his statement said, later adding, “My response is: Anyone that can spend this amount of money in an effort is more likely to own the mental institution.

“To all those who question my motives and agenda, you are wasting my time.”

Jarvis said she believes Bob has valuable information, saying, “I’ve been in contact with him for the last two years, it’s obvious he has information that’s beyond information from old newspaper clips.”

She said she’s only talked to him on the telephone, but Hughes said when Bob first came forward he made him hand over information only someone with inside information on the case would know — and was able to confirm it.

Bob wanted the prosecutor to do the same thing, but Cooper wouldn’t play ball.

“The representatives from Oakland County got back to Bob and said ‘We’re not going to give you that information,” Hughes said. “The prosecutor was not going to give one collateral piece of information … It’s a very inconsequential piece of information that after 30 years was not going to jeopardize any investigation.”

Cooper addressed the issue after Bob’s interview, releasing a statement that said, “The prosecutor doesn’t respond to conspiracy theorists…particularly those who will not identify themselves and she will not respond to attorneys who file frivolous pleadings in federal court … The court will respond to that. (I) will not legitimate scurrilous allegations that would jeopardize an ongoing investigation.”
[...]
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/27/judge-rules-prosecutor-has-to-open-up-about-oakland-child-killer/


Oakland County Child Killer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer#Chris_Busch


http://i47.tinypic.com/1118j5t.jpg
1970's mugshot of Chris Busch

http://i46.tinypic.com/344s179.jpg
Christopher Busch, pictured above, died from a self-inflicted gunshot to the head on Nov. 20, 1978. He was 27 years old.

Was Christopher Busch, convicted pedophile, Oakland County resident and the son of Harold Lee Busch (who worked as the executive financial director in the United States and Europe for General Motors) The Oakland County Child Killer? Attorney Barry King, also the father of Timothy King, believes so
http://thegirlfromtheghetto.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/christopher-busch-the-oakland-county-child-killer/


VAS1326 avoid this woman at all costs all her blogs shes got going and shes been warned by police many times b.c shes made crap up and put herself in the crimes
Total whackjob

Her Names Helen Dagner
http://cloakdagner.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=235


Photos released of Oakland County Child Killer suspect's suicide scene
Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/occk-suicide-scene#ixzz1tIp2QsgF

[VAS1326]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2125ls5.jpg
Sketch by Christopher Busch found at suicide scene
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/27/judge-rules-prosecutor-has-to-open-up-about-oakland-child-killer/


Oakland County Child Killer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer#Chris_Busch


http://i47.tinypic.com/1118j5t.jpg
1970's mugshot of Chris Busch

http://i46.tinypic.com/344s179.jpg
Christopher Busch, pictured above, died from a self-inflicted gunshot to the head on Nov. 20, 1978. He was 27 years old.

Was Christopher Busch, convicted pedophile, Oakland County resident and the son of Harold Lee Busch (who worked as the executive financial director in the United States and Europe for General Motors) The Oakland County Child Killer? Attorney Barry King, also the father of Timothy King, believes so
http://thegirlfromtheghetto.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/christopher-busch-the-oakland-county-child-killer/


VAS1326 avoid this woman at all costs all her blogs shes got going and shes been warned by police many times b.c shes made crap up and put herself in the crimes
Total whackjob

Her Names Helen Dagner
http://cloakdagner.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=235


Photos released of Oakland County Child Killer suspect's suicide scene
Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/occk-suicide-scene#ixzz1tIp2QsgF

This case is just so bizarre. I think Chris Busch had something to do with it. John Greene may have been involved. I don't know for sure either way both are dead. I don't know if others knew or were involved but that seems like a lot of people to keep a secret.

I wonder what Bob actually has and it honestly it may just be build up and not be as fantastic as they are making it sound. Does his info prove someone else did it? Or does it prove a cover up? I mean if he knows who did it and it was not Chris Busch then why not just bring it out. I could see him be hesistant to accuse a lot of law enforcement of a payoff without all his ducks in a row.

I am glad that the prosecutor is going to have to tell the family what they have. The family deserves to know. The more secret they keep things from them the more it makes me wonder what is it they know. Have they known who did it all this time? Was it in fact Chris Busch? Was there a payoff? Did somebody else do this and they didn't pursue that person(s)?

It's a mystery for sure and I am intrigued. I cannot wait to see what comes out of all this. I just hope for the victims and the families the truth is reveled so they all can find some peace.

Oh I went to that blog......I couldn't even read it. It's like a rambling wall of words. What I could decipher is that the admin thinks Busch is innocent. Other then that I couldn't even read it. Put herself in the crimes? WTF? How does one do that?

[Whisper]

yeah she makes out shes got inside info and all sorts of shit
causing the familys grief and just a big mouth that knows nothing but makes out she does

[Whisper]

I learned to avoid all her crap through a channel 7 investigation couple years ago
they confronted her with a bunch of people she had led on and it basically came down to shes a liar that hasnt got anything we dont have in our threads
and has caused probs and grief for the families

[VAS1326]

I learned to avoid all her crap through a channel 7 investigation couple years ago
they confronted her with a bunch of people she had led on and it basically came down to shes a liar that hasnt got anything we dont have in our threads
and has caused probs and grief for the families

Yeah from what I did see she is a whack a do and does act like she knows more then she does. She seems to think that John had more of a role and Busch was set up. I think she met John once so that makes her the expert.

Poor families having to deal with a nutcase like that getting their hopes up for new information. Geesh she is pathetic.

[HeatherHabilatory]

This is by far the most messed up thing I've ever read. And, I'm a regular here, so, that's pretty messed up.

[Whisper]

Oakland County officials ask for dismissal of child killer lawsuit

WXYZ) - Lawyers for the Oakland County Prosecutor and Sheriff say the recent lawsuit filed against them regarding the decades-old Oakland County Child Killer case should be dismissed.

They call the case an ill-conceived, unfounded, and tardy attack on law enforcement officials who want justice just as much as the families do.

County lawyers also put attorney Paul Hughes on notice that if he doesn’t withdraw his lawsuit, they will seek sanctions against him, in large part because they call the lawsuit “factually deficient.”

Last month, Hughes filed the $100 million dollar on behalf of one of the victim’s families.

The 7 Action News Investigators revealed that Hughes was relying on information from an anonymous source, who’s believed to be the same anonymous source who contacted 7 Action News back in 2010. The so-called source alleged that the killings were tied to cult activities and pagan holidays, but never provided any proof.

[...]
Grand juries in both Oakland and Wayne Counties have been convened to investigate the case. http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/oakland-county-officials-ask-for-dismissal-of-child-killer-lawsuit#ixzz1uzw8Im3V

[Whisper]

AUDIO: Anonymous sources claims more victims in Oakland County Child Killer case



WXYZ) - 7 Action News was the first to report that a recent $100 million lawsuit, filed on behalf of one of the families of an Oakland County Child Killer victim, was relying on information from an anonymous source who goes by the alias of “Bob.”

Both the attorney who filed the lawsuit, Paul Hughes, and Kristine Mihelich’s mother, Deborah Jarvis, admit they have never met “Bob,” nor do they know his real name or what he does for a living.

This is a recording of a conference call meeting that “Bob” conducted over the phone with Chief Assistant Oakland County Prosecutor Paul Walton, Oakland County Undersheriff Mike McCabe, former Detroit Police Chief Ike McKinnon, and AP reporter Corey Williams in October of 2010.
During that same time period, “Bob” was also contacting 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo. He said he could prove that there were more than just 4 victims of the Child Killer – and “Bob” wrote up a detailed memo, alleging that the victims were abducted and their bodies were discovered on dates that were connected to Pagan holidays.

“Bob” claimed the killings were tied to satanic cult activity in metro Detroit.

The problem was, “Bob” would never provide a name, or any information about himself, or a phone number so that we could verify what he was saying.

“If he was some crazy dude, he’d just be out there posting it all over. Or he would be turning the matter over to the local county prosecutor. He wanted one piece of information, essentially to confirm what he basically already knew, before he was going to put an individual out there as a suspect. And that, my friends, is integrity on his part. That’s all he wanted to verify before he put that information forward,” said Paul Hughes at a press conference last month.

“Are you sure he hasn’t posted anything on the internet,” asked Catallo.

“No,” said Hughes.

In November of 2010, someone posted a article on a blog-site – it’s made to look like it’s an Associated Press article, but it’s not. It matches the memo the anonymous source sent to 7 Action News.

Hughes says “Bob” has information that ties in additional victims -- young girls who vanished in the 70’s.

In the lawsuit he alleges there’s “an extremely high probability that the deaths of Donna Serra, Kim Larrow, Kimberly King, and Jane Allan, among others, are connected to the Oakland County Child Killer case.”

But Hughes admitted he was not aware that specific forensic evidence – dog hair and carpet fibers -- that connect the four known victims.

Hughes’ lawsuit alleges a massive cover-up at the hands of police and prosecutors. And that claim hinges on the grand jury that’s currently hearing testimony on this case.

The attorney says an email from the secret source prompted the Oakland County Prosecutor to impanel the grand jury in less than a week. Here’s what we know about grand juries – it takes a long time to put them together, and there’s a lot of oversight. It doesn’t happen in a week.

While they cannot legally discuss any case that’s before the grand jury, the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office is emphatic that they did not convene a grand jury just to keep this confidential source quiet [...] http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/audio-anonymous-sources-claims-more-victims-in-oakland-county-child-killer-case#ixzz1v5hgma2C

You can listen to audio recording in middle of link

[VAS1326]

You know when as I was a pre-teen/teenager there were a lot of stories about a Satanic church/cult near the area. If I remember right it was in Troy. Doesn't explain the kidnappings and murders all in the one area but it's an interesting twist that this source says it was a satanic/cult thing. I wonder if that's where the rumors of said cult came from or if it was something that at one time exsisted. I've seen the so called satanic church (I didn't go inside) but I can't say for sure it was in fact a church that was devoted to Satan. It's not like it had a huge red sign that come join our cult.

I don't know what to think of this "Bob" guy. Seems like if he knew something he would want to take it to law enforcement. Instead it almost seems like he is playing a game. Or he is really trully afraid of saying anything without 100% proof. Then again one would think it would be better just to turn over copies of what you have and let the DA figure it out.

[Whisper]

WXYZ) - The 7 Action News Investigators have uncovered new information in the Oakland County Child Killer Case.

Sources tell 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo that the Oakland County Grand Jury is actively investigating a new suspect – and that person is still alive.

[...]
We have also learned that a man who publicly became known in 2009 as a promising suspect is not the focus of the grand jury that’s been convened in Oakland County.

Christopher Brian Busch was a convicted pedophile, who lived in Bloomfield Hills before he committed suicide in 1978. Many of the victim’s family members obtained compelling information about Busch – but now we’ve learned the grand jury has been hard at work on someone else, who’s still alive.
Last summer – the Oakland County prosecutor convened a citizen’s grand jury to hear testimony and examine evidence in the child killer case.

The grand jury operates in secret and has the power to compel witnesses to appear. Legal experts say it’s a powerful investigative tool – but grand juries cannot indict someone who’s dead.

According to the law, state grand juries can be convened for six months, and extended another six months. That means the 1 year mark is fast approaching on the Oakland County grand jury.

It’s not clear if a new grand jury will be convened to continue looking at the evidence against the suspect.

Kristine Mihelich’s sister Erica McAvoy says she’s not surprised to learn the grand jury is looking at someone who’s alive.

“Given conversations that I had with those close to law enforcement over the last 9 months, just based on that, it led me to believe that in fact they had someone of interest, that very well could still be alive, and also given the fact that they wanted a new DNA sample from us as siblings as well as parents lead me to believe again that they were on to something,” said McAvoy.

McAvoy says she hopes the grand jury investigation will finally give the families of all four victims some sense of peace.

“My ultimate hope is justice is served. There will never be closure, for the families who have lived through this tragedy, and continue to live through it. All I can say, we just simply want to know why this happened,” said McAvoy.

A second grand jury in Wayne County has also been convened on the child killer case. It’s not clear yet what the results of either grand jury will be.http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/grand-jury-investigates-new-oakland-county-child-killer-suspect#ixzz1wVVzzkis

[Dakota Valkyrie]

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Timeline: Revisiting the Oakland County child killings: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012120613060
Includes victims, key locations and cast of characters


History of the Oakland County Child Killer Photo Gallery: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=C4&Dato=20120616&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=206150806&Ref=PH


Decades after Oakland County child killings and no peace for victims' families: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012206170515

[Whisper]

Id love to see this solved I have watched the families on TV over the years especially Timmy Kings
They have never let this fall into the back ground
With the parents aging Id love to see them have some "closure"
Although I dont believe there ever is such a thing in cases like this

They taunted the parents in couple cases if you ask me
Love to be able to see the families beat the hell out of the killers (but that will be only in my dreams)

And lately (last 5 years or so ) so many twists and turns and guys in prison right now investigated
Including men whose own children called on them and gave DNA etc

[Whisper]

gonna grab a Detroit Fress Press while Im out this morning

[Whisper]

Alot more will be released tomorrow including a name of someone they expect to be arrested for these murders according the news reports
New evidence released in Oakland County Child Killer case
Prosecutors say no evidence links Christopher Bush to Oakland County Child Killer

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OAKLAND COUNTY, Mich. -
Prosecutors are opening new files about specific evidence and suspects in the Oakland County Child Killer case.

Part of 6,000 pages of evidence in the case were made public under the Freedom of Information Act. Prosecutors are being allowed to speak out about specific evidence in the case.

Top Oakland County prosecutors Jessica Cooper and Paul Walton have been openly discussing specific evidence in the murders of Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich, Jill Robinson and Timothy King. The four children were held captive for days before being murdered in 1976 and 1977.
They weren't bloody. They weren't dripping and there was no sign of blood," Cooper said.

More than 30 years since the crimes, top prosecutors now are coming forward to put a stop to false claims and rumors about the case. Prosecutors say they have tracked down the scientist who analyzed the ropes found at the home of suspect Christopher Bush.

"He conclusively told us that he was aware of these facts and that had there been any blood on that rope or ligature he would have sent it on to the evidence unit," said Walton.
The prosecutors say the families of the victims and media outlets continuing to push Bush as the Oakland County Child Killer have misinterpreted public documents and have not seen the real evidence.

"There isn't a piece of evidence that we can point to and say Mr. Bush killed Timothy King, Jill Robinson, Kristine Mihelich or Mark Stebbins," said Walton.
[...]http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/New-evidence-released-in-Oakland-County-Child-Killer-case/-/1719314/15237218/-/anq7n/-/index.html

[HeatherHabilatory]

Wow. I for sure will check back tomorrow for more info. What a crazy story.

[Whisper]

Wow. I for sure will check back tomorrow for more info. What a crazy story.

yeah I ve been following this for years and I cant wait for the families to have some kinda justice whatever that may be

[Whisper]

Once again they are misleading but actually thats o.k b/c they dont want to give name away
Since Grand Jury will not investigate or indict the dead(makes sense)
Goes to show suspect is still alive
They have that proof the person is alive and they have a high tech DNA they are waiting on for an arrest,you can watch news clip at link to explain but have lots of good new stuff released
And over 6000 pages released about the case since it began

Prosecutors say evidence points away from suspect Christopher Bush as Oakland County Child Killer

DETROIT -
Part of 6,000 pages of evidence in the Oakland County Child Killer case were made public under the Freedom of Information Act.

Prosecutors are being allowed to speak out about specific evidence in the case. Bombshell No. 1 involves suspect Christopher Bush. Sources tell Local 4 that Bush did not kill Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich, Jill Robinson and Timothy King. Victims' family members have believed Bush could be the killer for decades.

"There isn't a piece of evidence that we can point to and say Mr. Bush killed Timothy King, Jill Robinson, Kristine Mihelich or Mark Stebbins," said Paul Walton, chief assistant Oakland County prosecutor.

It is the first time prosecutors have gone on the record to say there is zero evidence suggesting Bush is the Oakland County Child Killer. His DNA does not match the physical evidence they have
"Whatever evidence that may or may not exist does not come back to Bush," said Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper.

Police sources have told Local 4 that Bush's suicide scene is suspicious and may have actually been a murder.
They know he had a drawing of a tortured boy that closely resembled victim Mark Stebbins. Ropes were found in his closest. He had a blue Vega car which looked like the infamous blue Gremlin spotted at one of the abductions.

None of that matters because investigators now tell Local 4 Bush did not commit the murders. Someone else did and that suspect is still alive. The suspect will be arrested very soon if prosecutors get the right kind of DNA match.
When we're going in and arguing for a conviction to a jury, we're generally going in there with something referred to as autosomal DNA and that is generally DNA with statistical analysis to the 15th power," said Walton. "That is like on in a quadrillion ... 15 zeros after that."

Prosecutors can't talk about who they are seeking because it is against the law to discuss a grand jury investigation. However, listen to what prosecutors have to say and you can decide if the killer is still alive.

"We are a prosecutor's office that is looking to bring a case to the light of a courtroom for potential prosecution and to hold someone accountable," said Walton.

"They're going forward and they've made a lot of steps," said Cooper. "Momentous steps."

The prosecutors are on a manhunt for someone who is alive. They have been beefing up the task force and getting results.



"Looking at physical evidence, sending physical evidence to the lab, looking at things freshly," said Cooper.

The prosecutors also want to clear up misinformation on evidence in the case. They confirm four child victims all had white dog hair found on them, but none of the white hairs are from the same animal.

"And then when that was expanded out to potentially other suspects, there hasn't been any consistency in animal hairs other than it is white animal hair, period," said Walton.

Not only are the children not connected by the same white dog hairs, the carpet fibers believed to have been on all four victims are not necessarily from the same carpet. They are just similar in color.

"The scientists are telling me it means exactly that. It's in the same optical plane. It's in the same color scheme," said Walton.

The shotgun shell in Bush's room cannot be matched with the caliber used to kill Jill Robinson.

"They even took it to NASA to try and see if they could get an identification of the caliber and there was no way in which they could do that," said Cooper.

Prosecutors also say they have tracked down the scientist who analyzed the ropes found at the home of suspect Bush.

"He conclusively told us that he was aware of these facts and that had there been any blood on that rope or ligature he would have sent it on to the evidence unit," said Walton.

The prosecutors say the families of the victims and media outlets continuing to push Bush as the Oakland County Child Killer have misinterpreted public documents and have not seen the real evidence.
[...]http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/New-evidence-suggests-Oakland-County-Child-Killer-is-still-alive-not-popular-suspect/-/1719314/15244426/-/43dcs1/-/index.html

[VAS1326]

Wow that is crazy......however; I'm glad progress is being made. If Bush did not do this then the real killer has been walking free among us (shudders since I grew up near there) I don't think the family cares at this point who is guilty they just want to know for sure who did it and see that the person responsible is held accountable for what they did. I can easily see how Bush makes a great suspect. Hell I was leaning that way by what we know.

It's amazing what science can tell us now days. It almost looks like whoever did this set it up to look like someone else by using white animal hair with each kid, similar carpet fibers ect. I mean back then they didn't have all the fancy analysis to be able to say no these are not from the same source. So a killer could use different sources to make it appear the same. I bet the killer never in a million years thought that one day technology would prove his guilt.

Obviously the suspect is very much alive. I cannot wait to see exactly what proof they have (if the DNA matches you know they got their man) and what will go down once they bring him in. It should be interesting to say the least to finally watch this mystery unravel.

[Whisper]

have lots of good new stuff released
Such as all 4 had white dog hair on them BUT the dog hair was from 4 diff white dogs
All had carpet fibers but the carpet fibers were all diff,,really weird stuff coming out

[Whisper]

Wow that is crazy......however; I'm glad progress is being made. If Bush did not do this then the real killer has been walking free among us (shudders since I grew up near there) I don't think the family cares at this point who is guilty they just want to know for sure who did it and see that the person responsible is held accountable for what they did. I can easily see how Bush makes a great suspect. Hell I was leaning that way by what we know.

It's amazing what science can tell us now days. It almost looks like whoever did this set it up to look like someone else by using white animal hair with each kid, similar carpet fibers ect. I mean back then they didn't have all the fancy analysis to be able to say no these are not from the same source. So a killer could use different sources to make it appear the same. I bet the killer never in a million years thought that one day technology would prove his guilt.

Obviously the suspect is very much alive. I cannot wait to see exactly what proof they have (if the DNA matches you know they got their man) and what will go down once they bring him in. It should be interesting to say the least to finally watch this mystery unravel.

Since they kinda think his suicide was actualy a murder now
Im wondering if hes still tied in there somewhere ,
like knew who was responsible and had to be taken out of the pic

[VAS1326]

Also am I the only one thinking there may have been more than one killer? I'm starting to think that it may have been a group of people involved instead of one individual responsible. I could be wrong since there is just so much floating around out there. I guess I just have to wait and see how this plays out. I mean there are little things pointing to this person or that person (for example the guy with a neckless like on Kristine had, or the failing or refusal of polygraph's ect) I wonder if there were people who might not have done the killing but know who did and didn't want to talk because it was part of something bigger.

I guess I have to wait it out and see what happens.

[VAS1326]

Since they kinda think his suicide was actualy a murder now
Im wondering if hes still tied in there somewhere ,
like knew who was responsible and had to be taken out of the pic

I'm not ruling out he participated to be honest since he was a pedo. I'm thinking he knew about it or was involved. He was the most likely suspect at the time. The police heat was on him (at least temporarily) so those in on it took him out and made it look like a suicide so people would assume he was in fact the guilty party and it kept the heat off them. Not to mention since he was a suspect and was probably getting nervous from being questioned so much and public opinion shifting to him they needed to ensure that he didn't start talking and take them all down with him. They probably planted the evidence such as the sketch of the boy screaming.

I seriously think it was something more than one man was in on. I mean they ruled one guy out because his dna didn't match one hair sample. In my opinon that does not rule one out from being involved 100%.

[Whisper]

Also am I the only one thinking there may have been more than one killer? I'm starting to think that it may have been a group of people involved instead of one individual responsible. I could be wrong since there is just so much floating around out there. I guess I just have to wait and see how this plays out. I mean there are little things pointing to this person or that person (for example the guy with a neckless like on Kristine had, or the failing or refusal of polygraph's ect) I wonder if there were people who might not have done the killing but know who did and didn't want to talk because it was part of something bigger.

I guess I have to wait it out and see what happens.

Yeah thats part of what I meant I believe he was in there somehow and they WERE closing in on him at the time of the "Suicide"
Maybe he was ready to talk and give himself and who ever else up
Theres another guy that was his best friend thats also been named all through this but just not as much mainly because Chris's family are big in Michigan and millionaires and that always makes the gossip sweeter

[Whisper]

WOW
Questions arise why L. Brooks Patterson signed off on deal for convicted pedophile

DETROIT -
The Local 4 Defenders were the first to report on the 6,000-page never-before-seen file in the Oakland County Child Killer case.

The Defenders have learned that there is no evidence linking the man many considered the No. 1 suspect in the killings – Christopher Busch – to the crimes and the real killer may still be alive.

Now, the Defenders have learned that Busch was in custody while police investigated the killings and admitted he was a pedophile.

Investigators wanted to keep him in jail but he was let go after he agreed to a plea deal.

The person who let him walk? Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson.
Patterson was the prosecutor at the time of Busch’s arrest. The Defenders have obtained a legal document showing Patterson agreed to the plea deal, which lead to Busch getting probation and being released.

On the document, it says “no deals” and is signed by R. Thompson, who was an assistant prosecutor.
“I can’t answer why (there was a deal) and I suspect that, why he was given that break, we have that file, there is only perhaps one person who can answer that. And that’s not me,” said current Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper.
MORE AT LINKhttp://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Oakland-County-Child-Killer-Christopher-Busch-s-plea-deal/-/1719314/15284376/-/57fgo1/-/index.html

[VAS1326]

It must really suck to be the current Prosecutor having to deal with the bullshit left behind by her predecessors.

[Whisper]

It must really suck to be the current Prosecutor having to deal with the bullshit left behind by her predecessors.

yeah and I dont know ..is it only me or is anyone else shocked that its L Brookes Patterson that made the deal and let him walk??
Im kinda stunned,I know it was early in his career but hes always been known as such a stand up guy

[VAS1326]

yeah and I dont know ..is it only me or is anyone else shocked that its L Brookes Patterson that made the deal and let him walk??
Im kinda stunned,I know it was early in his career but hes always been known as such a stand up guy

I'm just saying, it would suck to have all this new shady shit coming out and even though you were not personally responsible people are looking to you for answers which she obviously does not have. Like she doesn't know why the deal was struck and I'm guessing she now is going to look into it. So basically another headache for her.

Anyways; you know it's kind of suprising but he was early in his career and the family had money which equals influence most the time. And who knows if he acted on his own when making the deal or if someone higher up was putting pressure on him to make it go away.

[witzah]

Anyways; you know it's kind of suprising but he was early in his career and the family had money which equals influence most the time. And who knows if he acted on his own when making the deal or if someone higher up was putting pressure on him to make it go away.

depends on how big the case was with the deal. ive read this whole thread - but i'm confused about the deal specifically as far as it relates to this case and whether - at the time - it was known to be connected to this case by prosecutors. If the deal were known to be connected to big issues (as I THINK it was) then there is NO WAY IN HELL he would've made a plea as a newer prosecutor on his own without consulting another prosecutor in the office. Even as a more seasoned prosecutor, no one does big cases without consulting with other prosecutors in the office for second opinions or going to the big guy to get an official go ahead (when the issue is big enough).

[VAS1326]

depends on how big the case was with the deal. ive read this whole thread - but i'm confused about the deal specifically as far as it relates to this case and whether - at the time - it was known to be connected to this case by prosecutors. If the deal were known to be connected to big issues (as I THINK it was) then there is NO WAY IN HELL he would've made a plea as a newer prosecutor on his own without consulting another prosecutor in the office. Even as a more seasoned prosecutor, no one does big cases without consulting with other prosecutors in the office for second opinions or going to the big guy to get an official go ahead (when the issue is big enough).


Whisper may have to clarify this better but since I'm being to lazy to go back and read the previous post (which I too have read before). If memory serves correctly they suspected he may have had something to do with the murders but I believe the plea deal was for other pedo activity prior too the murders. Supposidly another child victim said he saw a picture of Tim in Busch's vechile. He was definetly a pedo (he even admitted too it I believe) The question is was he a killer?

Wait a minute Whisper why is this new news at all? We already knew they had him in custody while the murders were being investigated. We already knew that he was questioned and took a poly. We already knew they let him go. Is the big news that they struck a plea deal with him?

[golanvern]

Whisper may have to clarify this better but since I'm being to lazy to go back and read the previous post (which I too have read before). If memory serves correctly they suspected he may have had something to do with the murders but I believe the plea deal was for other pedo activity prior too the murders. Supposidly another child victim said he saw a picture of Tim in Busch's vechile. He was definetly a pedo (he even admitted too it I believe) The question is was he a killer?

Wait a minute Whisper why is this new news at all? We already knew they had him in custody while the murders were being investigated. We already knew that he was questioned and took a poly. We already knew they let him go. Is the big news that they struck a plea deal with him?

I recall the bit about someone having said they saw a photo that resembled Tim in his possession ... there's also that polygrapher in Cali who supposedly made statements that "Busch confessed this murder" to him. Apparently, if today's prosecutors office is saying he wasn't involved, both of those statements are either:

1) in doubt;
2) or show he was linked somehow through a ring etc

Interesting turns in this case as of late. Wow.

[Whisper]

depends on how big the case was with the deal. ive read this whole thread - but i'm confused about the deal specifically as far as it relates to this case and whether - at the time - it was known to be connected to this case by prosecutors. If the deal were known to be connected to big issues (as I THINK it was) then there is NO WAY IN HELL he would've made a plea as a newer prosecutor on his own without consulting another prosecutor in the office. Even as a more seasoned prosecutor, no one does big cases without consulting with other prosecutors in the office for second opinions or going to the big guy to get an official go ahead (when the issue is big enough).

Court docs
http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/view/-/15288982/data/2/-/11c3t6l/-/OCCK-Bush-documents-pdf.pdf


[..]At least four children from Oakland County were kidnapped and found dead between 1976 and 1977[...]http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Oakland-County-Child-Killer-Christopher-Busch-s-plea-deal/-/1719314/15284376/-/57fgo1/-/index.html

Did the top suspects in the Oakland County Child Killer case get away with it? Evidence shows they may have

But for two botched polygraph tests and overlooked evidence, police might have caught the Oakland County child killers.

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Gregory Woodard Greene, dob 5/2/1950, suspect in the Oakland County Child Killing case, sentenced June 14, 1977 in Genesee county to life in prison for csc1, died in prison December 29, 1995
It happened in January 1977 after police arrested Gregory Greene, 26, a serial pedophile from Flint, on charges of sexually assaulting young boys.
During questioning, Greene told detectives that his friend Christopher Busch, 25, of Alma had murdered the child killer's first victim -- Mark Stebbins, 12, of Ferndale -- 11 months earlier.

Busch, the son of a wealthy General Motors executive, denied killing Stebbins. But he readily admitted that he had sexually assaulted an Oakland County boy and molested other boys with Greene.

Then he said things that made police think he had murdered Stebbins, who had been bound, raped and held for four days before his body was dumped in a Southfield parking lot.

Busch said he and Greene had fantasized about kidnapping a young boy, tying him up and sexually abusing him.
He said they had even agreed to get jobs with different work schedules so one of them would always be with the boy.

Busch also rattled off three locations -- in Ferndale, Royal Oak and Berkley -- where he trolled for boys.

"These are the first three abduction sites, in chronological order, of the abductions in the OCCK case," a detective later wrote in a report.

But Busch and Greene were nixed as child killer suspects in 1977 after they passed polygraph tests administered by a Michigan State Police examiner.

Greene, who had served time in a California mental hospital in 1975 for nearly killing a boy in a sex assault, pleaded guilty in the case in Flint and was sentenced to life in prison. He died of a heart attack while watching television in his prison cell in 1995.Busch, who had no criminal record, pleaded guilty to reduced child molestation charges in four counties and was sentenced to probation in 1977.

In November 1978, he was found dead from a .22-caliber gunshot wound to the head in his bedroom in his parents' Bloomfield Township home. The death was ruled a suicide. At the time, his parents, who often traveled to Europe on business, were in London.

The story of how Christopher Busch became an on-again, off-again -- and perhaps the most likely -- suspect was laid out in hundreds of pages of investigative reports compiled by the Oakland County Child Killer Task Force and reviewed by the Free Press.

The documents were obtained by Barry King, the father of the child killer's last victim, 11-year-old Timothy King. Barry King has said he believes Busch was the killer, possibly with the help of others.

His beliefs are buoyed by the fact that Busch was an admitted serial pedophile who told police he fantasized about kidnapping and molesting children; had stalked his victims in the same areas where Timothy King and the other children disappeared; and had left behind potentially incriminating evidence at the scene of his suicide -- evidence that later was destroyed.

And, most importantly, Busch supposedly confessed to being the killer during a private polygraph exam ordered by his lawyer in an unrelated sex assault case in the months before he died, the records show.

King said he has been told that authorities have ruled Busch out as a suspect and he wants to know why.

"If they don't think there was enough evidence involving Busch, then sit down and tell me," he said of investigators. "And if it's for some other reason that might cause embarrassment to somebody, then I don't give a damn."

Busch's suicide would have been the end of his involvement in the child killer inquiry, but for a chance encounter between two polygraph examiners at a conference in July 2006 in Las Vegas.

Patrick Coffey, 51, of suburban San Francisco said he had just given a speech to the American Polygraph Association when Lawrence Wasser asked him whether he would give a similar talk in Michigan.

When Coffey realized Wasser was from Southfield, he said, he told Wasser that he had grown up in Birmingham and had gotten into law enforcement because a neighbor and playmate, Timothy King, had been killed by the Oakland County Child Killer.

"His jaw dropped," Coffey said last month.

Coffey said Wasser then confided that he had once polygraphed a man who had confessed to being the Oakland County Child Killer. Wasser said the man's lawyer had set up the exam because the client was facing sex assault charges, Coffey recalled.

Coffey called Timothy King's sister, Cathy Broad, in Naperville, Ill., and told her about the conversation.

"Pat's call was a mindblower," Broad said last week.

She said she waited for a year in hopes that Coffey could coax the client's name out of Wasser. It didn't happen.

In July 2007, she contacted the child killer task force, which launched a two-year investigation of Busch and Greene.

Wasser wouldn't discuss his conversation with Coffey. His lawyer, James Feinberg of Detroit, told the Free Press: "It never happened."

But task force reports show that although Wasser couldn't recall the client's name, he and Feinberg gave detectives enough clues that they backtracked to Busch and Greene. Broad's father, Barry King, obtained those reports through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

What detectives discovered was startling.

Although police in 1978 didn't make much of the ropes, shotgun shell and pencil drawing of a screaming boy that were found in Busch's bedroom when he died, the items had great significance to task force detectives in 2007-08:

• They said the sketch of the screaming boy resembled Mark Stebbins.

• They wondered whether the shotgun shell was the same kind that was used on the child killer's second victim, Jill Robinson.

• And the ropes found on the floor of Busch's bedroom closet might have been used to tie up Stebbins and King, who both had been bound.

But police had thrown out the shotgun shell and the ropes -- a possible source of DNA -- after concluding Busch's death was a simple suicide.

"If the lab were able to determine that the caliber and size of the (shotgun pellets) matched what was used on victim Robinson, this would add credence to the theory that Christopher Busch was possibly laying out clues in his room before he shot himself, as sort of a suicide note," an investigator wrote in a report.

Investigators also discovered that Busch drove a blue Chevrolet Vega hatchback with a white racing stripe, similar to the AMC Gremlin that was reported at one of the abduction scenes.

One of Busch's nephews told investigators that Busch drove him to Timothy King's abduction site and remarked eerily: "He was standing right there when he was taken."

"It wasn't until later that it dawned on me ... I wondered if he had something to do with it," the nephew told authorities.
[...]http://www.freep.com/article/20120618/NEWS03/206180330/Did-suspects-Oakland-County-Child-Killer-case-get-away-with-it-


Im wondering of Greene killed them and Busch was there or just knew about it and thats why the "suicide" now looks like a murder took place
from what I have seen going back and googling new news sources
Busch was a suspect in them at that time but they didnt have enough evidence

[Whisper]

I recall the bit about someone having said they saw a photo that resembled Tim in his possession ... there's also that polygrapher in Cali who supposedly made statements that "Busch confessed this murder" to him. Apparently, if today's prosecutors office is saying he wasn't involved, both of those statements are either:

1) in doubt;
2) or show he was linked somehow through a ring etc

Interesting turns in this case as of late. Wow.

The pic that looked like Tim was a sketch Busch did of a screaming childs head
its in here someplace maybe 1st page

[golanvern]

The pic that looked like Tim was a sketch Busch did of a screaming childs head
its in here someplace maybe 1st page

Not the sketch ... there's something about a later kid (witness?) stating that when he was in Busch's car, there was a photo (polaroid??) sitting in the car of another kid who resembled Tim.

I'll see if I can find it in here ...

[golanvern]

The pic that looked like Tim was a sketch Busch did of a screaming childs head
its in here someplace maybe 1st page


It's here Whisper (from page 1 of this thread):


...
This victim also said he recognized photos of Timothy as being the same boy seen with Busch. He said he saw a Polaroid photo of Timothy tied up in Busch’s car.
...
http://thegirlfromtheghetto.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/christopher-busch-the-oakland-county-child-killer/

[Whisper]

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Arch Edward Sloan


Prosecutors announcing on Tuesday what could be the first significant break in years in the Oakland County Child Killer Case, one of the most notorious murder investigations in Southeast Michigan history.

Prosecutor Jessica Cooper and her investigative team asking for help locating associates of a 70-year old prison inmate who owned a vehicle now linked to the murders of two young people: Mark Stebbins and Timothy King.

The boys were among four children abducted, sexually assaulted and murdered beginning in 1976. The crimes have gone unsolved despite the efforts of various law enforcement efforts for more than 35 years.

During Tuesday's news conference, Cooper said that hairs collected as part of the investigation into the murders of both Mark Stebbins and from Timothy King appeared to have come from the same person. Those hairs were collected from the bodies of both victims and were a key piece of evidence linking the crimes to the same person.

Cooper says a task force dedicated to investigate the crimes also tested hair and fibers collected from a 1966 Pontiac Bonneville once owned by Arch Edward Sloan and determined they matched the hairs collected from both Stebbins and King.

And while that was a significant development, Cooper says by using the latest DNA testing available they were able to determine the hairs collected did not come from Sloan. They believe someone else may have used that vehicle when committing the crime.

Arch Edward Sloan has a lengthy criminal history and is currently serving two life sentences in the Earnest C. Brooks Correctional Facility in Muskegon for first-degree criminal sexual conduct of a male minor in 1983.

Cooper says the task force investigating the Child Killings is now asking for the public's help to locate anyone who may have had access to any of Sloan's vehicles from the time of the murders[...]http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/19046584/prison-inmates-vehicle-linked-to-oakland-county-child-killings

[Whisper]

Local 4 Defenders learn associate of Arch Edward Sloan has been named prime suspect

OAKLAND COUNTY -
The Oakland County Prosecutor's office announced Tuesday a break in the case of the Oakland County Child Killer.

Local 4 Defenders have learned there is physical and DNA evidence linking an associate of 70-year-old Arch Edward Sloan to the male victims in the murder spree which began in the 1970s. This associate left hair at the crime scene of the two murdered boys.

Sloan is reportedly the owner of the car where the hair was found. Prosecutors are considering him an accomplice to the suspect. He is a direct link to whoever the killer is, prosecutors say
[...].
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/news/Major-break-made-in-Oakland-County-Child-Killer-case/-/4714498/15576760/-/e0nx2x/-/index.html


presser at link

[Whisper]

this guys not talking and hes doing life in prison no parole for molesting little boys
the DNA isnt his but somneone that was with him in his car
and hes not talking
my guess is hes going to try and strike a deal to give up persons name and reduce his sentence to maybe chance of parole

[VAS1326]

I think the whole press conference was way overkill for what they have and what they do know. I mean it took forever for them to introduce the people present. I saw the special report when I was at the nail salon today and frankly I'm not too impressed. They do not have the suspect they just know he was in that car at one point or another or do they?

They did not do standard DNA test on the hairs found on the two boys. They do not have unique dna. What they do have is a microchondrial dna profile. Since this dna can only come from the mother, two siblings who have the same mother will both have an identical Mitochondrial DNA profile regardless wether they had the same father or not.

Do you know how many people share this type of dna? It would near impossible to pin point who it belongs to. For example my mother has 6 sisters. They all have matching mDNA inherited from my grandmother who inherited it from her mother and so on (it does not pass from the father to child at all) and each of their children have the same mDNA and my children have that same mDNA. You can trace your family history (through females) back hundred's of years by tracing this particular dna.

So it's obvious that yes it the killer is probably the same person (we knew that) and it's likely that person or any number of people related to him was in that car. However; good luck with figuring it out. That dna can't even be used as evidence. Let's say this Sloan guy had brothers in his car...how do you know who did it? Even worse what if they were family members from his father's side that do not have his dna (hence why his didn't match) but there are many of them like there would be in my family. In my opinion it' a needle in a haystack. It really doesn't do anything but allow them to rule people who don't match out.

I am almost certain whoever the hair belongs to does know Solone. It would be way to much a coincedence for there to be matching hair in this guys former vehicle. I just think even when they do find out who all had been in the car and even if all of them had the testing done they may come up with more then one suspect. I don't know how you would go about proving one of them guilty without additional evidence unless someone who knows talks. Even then one witness is not enough for conviction in this day and age.

I guess it's a break in that they know where to look some more (at the associates of Sloan) but they have a long way to prove murder.

You want my honest opinion....I'm starting to think there had to have been 2 killers. One fancied little boys and the other little girls. I think the one girl being shot was guy #2 and after that guy #1 one told him no more of that to "keep it clean"

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this guys not talking and hes doing life in prison no parole for molesting little boys
the DNA isnt his but somneone that was with him in his car
and hes not talking
my guess is hes going to try and strike a deal to give up persons name and reduce his sentence to maybe chance of parole

I am certain he knows or has a pretty good idea who did it. I guess this sicko perv's like to hangout together. I'm guessing you are right if he is going to talk he is going to try to get out of prison before he dies (he is 70 years old so hopefully not too much longer) If he does talk at all. I'm thinking it will depend on how sweet the deal is or who it is he is protecting. I mean if he has known all these years and never once said a word there has to be another reason besides "honor among theives" that he hasn't tried to play it to his advantage before. Or maybe he didn't know, but now that the seed is planted he has a pretty good idea of who it is. I guess we have to wait to see how it plays out. I think he's going to have to talk for them to really get anywhere.

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The prisoner at the center of a major development in the Oakland County Child Killer case is a serial sex offender who has served time in Michigan and Pennsylvania, court records show.

Accused in at least five sex assault cases before being sentenced to life in prison, Arch Edward Sloan, 70, was working as a mechanic when four children were abducted in Oakland County during a 13-month period in 1976-77.

A psychiatrist who evaluated him in the 1980s to determine whether he was competent to stand trial for child molestation said of Sloan: "Defendant was only capable of sexual satisfaction with small children."
Another psychiatrist added: "Defendant's mental illness made him unable to control his impulses and made him unable to conform his conduct to what he knew was wrong, what he knew was legally required."

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Cooper said Sloan, who is serving a life sentence at the Earnest C. Brooks Correctional Facility in Muskegon Heights, was an early suspect in the case. After being abducted, the bodies of the four children were dumped along roadsides in Oakland and Wayne counties days after they disappeared. The two male victims had been raped.

The prosecutor didn't say whether Sloan is still a suspect in the case, but urged the public to notify authorities if they know any of Sloan's acquaintances from the 1970s or anyone who might have borrowed his three vehicles -- including the 1966 Pontiac Bonneville in which police found the telltale hair. Mitochondrial DNA from the hair did not match Sloan's.

Cooper said Sloan is not cooperating with authorities.

The early years

Michigan Department of Corrections officials said Wednesday that Sloan was born in Pennsylvania and moved with his family to Southfield in the early 1950s. The family lived on Seminole near Inkster and 9 Mile.

He dropped out of high school in 1957, having completed only the ninth grade. He received his GED while in prison for a 1959 conviction in Detroit for gross indecency between males, for which he received a sentence of 2 1/2 -5 years.

He was paroled in 1961 and was discharged from supervision in 1963.From 1970 until the early 1980s, Sloan was convicted in three other sex assault cases: one in Pennsylvania on charges that included sodomy and corrupting the morals of a minor, and others in Brighton and Alpena in 1979 and 1980, respectively, records show. Sloan worked as a mechanic in 1976-80, state records show.

Prison for life

The offense that earned him a life sentence occurred on Oct. 1, 1983, in Detroit.

At the time, Sloan was living in a house trailer in the abandoned Packard Plant complex on the city's east side.Sloan was working for Hemphill Towing Company when he raped the 10-year-old son of a co-worker, corrections records show.

The boy's father agreed to let his son spend the night with Sloan to go fishing the next morning.

Court records indicate Sloan made a bet with the boy that he could beat him in a footrace. If the boy won, he'd get $1. If he lost, he had to perform a sex act on Sloan.

The boy lost and Sloan assaulted him against the boy's wishes, the court records show.

Later that night, Sloan gave the boy soda and wine while watching television in the trailer, records indicate. After they went to bed, Sloan made the child undress and raped him.

The next morning, Sloan dropped the child off at a gas station, gave him $5 and told him not to tell anyone what happened, court records show.

Sloan's lawyer tried unsuccessfully to have his client declared mentally incompetent to stand trial. He was convicted by a jury.

Before sentencing, Sloan's now-deceased mother, Caroline Sloan, who had moved her family to a farm in Fenton, sent the judge a four-page letter asking for leniency.

"I know what Arch did was wrong, but Your Honor, will locking him up in a jail help his problem?" the letter said.

She said he was a loving, considerate but less-than-perfect son who always wanted to help people, including carrying groceries for his elderly neighbors. She said he painted and went to Sunday school.

"One snowy Sunday, he and I walked a mile and a half" in the snow to get there, she said.

She said his nieces and nephews loved Sloan, who was known as Uncle Ed, and "he's never too busy to help or play with them."

"He told me he didn't care about going to court," Sloan's mother said her son told her. "But he hated to think of what it would put the boy through."

The judge gave Sloan life in prison.

Family memories

Another person who knew Sloan remembers him differently.

"He gave me the creeps," Katie McDonald, 40, of Northville said Wednesday.

McDonald said her aunt married Sloan's brother, Dennis, in the 1980s. Arch Sloan was a regular visitor until the family learned of his sex offenses, she said.

"My aunt had no clue he was a pedophile," McDonald said.

McDonald said her aunt learned of Sloan's sex offenses when a detective came to question her cousin about Sloan's behavior.

The cousin, who did not want to be identified because she didn't want to alienate family members, said Dennis Sloan had no idea his brother was a sex offender. He did two tours in Vietnam in the 1970s, and his family kept him in the dark, the cousin said. Despite the family secret, the cousin described Sloan's family as caring.

"If you needed their last dollar, they would give it to you," the cousin said. "He was different than the rest."

Judge makes ruling

On Wednesday, a judge ordered Oakland County prosecutors to turn over a list of evidence they have in the Oakland County Child Killer case to Barry King. His son Timothy King, 11, was the killer's fourth victim.

Oakland Circuit Judge Wendy Potts told prosecutors to give the list to King and his attorney, Lisa Milton of Troy, within 21 days. The list will not be made public or part of the court file. Prosecutors also must explain why the full documents listed should not be released.

Attorney Lisa Milton hailed the decision. "We're moving forward," she said.

"I thought it was a favorable result," King said.

Timothy King was abducted after leaving a Birmingham drugstore where he went to buy candy in 1977. His body was found days later in a roadside ditch in Livonia.

Barry King wants to know, among other things, why authorities may have ruled out Christopher Busch as a suspect in the case.

Authorities interviewed Busch, then 25, the son of a wealthy former General Motors executive, in 1977 after a friend told police that Busch had killed the first victim, Mark Stebbins, 12, of Ferndale. Busch denied it and passed a State Police polygraph exam.

But authorities began investigating him again in 2007 after King's family got a tip that Busch had confessed to being the child killer during a polygraph exam his attorney arranged with a private examiner in a separate sex misconduct case.

Busch, who pleaded guilty to sex assaults on boys in four counties, died of what authorities determined to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his bedroom of his parents' Bloomfield Township home in 1978.

Meanwhile, the prosecutor's office was fielding dozens of tips called into a hotline in the wake of the new hair evidence, officials said.

"They're all being followed up," said Oakland County Chief Assistant Prosecutor Paul Walton.

The hotline is 800-442-7766.

Contact David Ashenfelter: dashenfelter@freepress.com. Staff writer Joe Swickard contributed to this report.

More Details: Arch Edward Sloan's criminal history

• 1959: Charged with gross indecency in Detroit. Convicted in June and sentenced to 2 1/2-5 years in prison. Paroled in June 1961 and discharged from supervision two years later.

• 1970: Convicted in a sexual assault case in Pennsylvania that included charges of sodomy and corrupting the morals of a minor. Sentenced to 5-10 years in prison and paroled in 1975. Discharged from parole in September 1980.

• 1978: Accused in two separate sex assault cases that December -- one in Brighton, the other in Alpena. Charged with second-degree criminal sexual conduct in the Brighton case, but pleaded to the misdemeanor charge of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct. Convicted in January 1979 and served six months. Convicted in March 1980 of third-degree criminal sexual conduct in the Alpena case and sentenced to a year in prison and three years of probation.

• 1983: Accused of sexually assaulting the 10-year-old son of a co-worker while the boy was staying with him one night that October in his house trailer. He was charged in the incident and convicted on two counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct and sentenced in 1985 to life imprisonment.http://www.freep.com/article/20120719/NEWS06/207190554/1001/RSS01

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BIRMINGHAM (WXYZ) - In a new political ad, the father of the Oakland County Child Killer's fourth victim scolds prosecutor Jessica Cooper over her handling of county's most high-profile unsolved murder case.

"If it were your child, we believe you would join us in opposing Jessica Cooper's re-election as prosecutor," King says in the ad, which endorses Cooper's challenger Republican Mike Bishop.

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"When Jessica Cooper took office, she refused to talk to my family," he says in the commercial, paid for by Bishop's campaign.

King says he was asked by Bishop to appear in the campaign commercial after the two met recently. The ad highlights old clashes between King and Cooper, but the most recent revolves around Christopher Busch.

King’s family has long suspected that Busch played a role in the murders, but Cooper and law enforcement officials have ruled him out as a suspect. King wants to know why.

"Ms. Cooper has not discussed the Busch involvement with me on any occasion," he told 7 Action News Investigator Ross Jones.

"When she goes on TV and says she’s conferred with me many times …we apparently have a little different computation of time," he said.

Cooper disagreed.

"We’ve been talking to Mr. King for years," she said, adding that her office has met with King about ten times.

She says her staff has shown him the records that they can, and understands his need for closure. But like with Busch and scores of others ruled out as suspects, she says her office needs to follow the evidence, and move on when it’s not there.

"I would love to be able to give him the answer he wants," Cooper said.

"My job is to give him the truth."

Cooper stresses that, under her watch, the case has made incredible strides. She credits law enforcement officials and the special task force convened several years ago. Right now, two grand juries are hearing evidence in the decades-old case, and a person of interest was named over the Summer.

King shakes his head at the suggestion that he's become a pawn in a messy political fight. He’s less concerned with who wins, he says. After 34 years, he just wants an answer.

"If I’m being used as a pawn and I still get access to the information," King said, "I’ll volunteer."
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(WXYZ) - We’ve heard from him before, but this time a mysterious tipster claims the Oakland County Child Killer not only had accomplices, but that the violent crew may be responsible for as many as 60 murders in Michigan and other states.

Today 7 Action News Investigator Bill Proctor spoke by phone with the tipster, who only identifies himself as “Bob”. Proctor asked him what proof he is offering for his claims.

Bob refuses to present himself to reporters in person, or identify his group of investigators.

Bob offered no proof. But this is the first time that he has named the people he believes were murdered by 8, possibly as many as 13, men between 1969 and the early 90s.

In fact, he says the suspects randomly chose their victims near American Legion Halls located near intersections in the cities where the teens were abducted.

Their bodies were later placed in locations where they were easily discovered or dumped so their discovery would be delayed.

From Oscoda, where two girlfriends ages 15 and 16 went missing in October of 1969, to the four child killings identified with decades of investigation, to victims found in Ohio, Nevada and California, Bob gives the names of 14 victims.

In one case, a man confessed to the murder, but Bob says he may be an innocent but disturbed man.

Bob has turned his document over to federal officials.
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Oakland County Child Killer victim Kristine Mihelich's mother filed suit seeking investigator documents

DETROIT -
A U.S. District judge dismissed a lawsuit on Thursday against Oakland County prosecutors filed on behalf of the mother of one of the Oakland County Child Killer victims.

Debra Jarvis, who filed the lawsuit last year, is the mother of Kristine Mihelich. Mihelich, who was 10 years old at the time, was one of four children found murdered during a 13-month period in Oakland and Wayne counties more than 30 years ago.
Jarvis' suit sought records from the criminal investigation conducted by the Oakland County Prosecutor, the Oakland County Sheriff and the Michigan State Police. She claimed she had constitutional rights to the documents of investigations into the killing that had never been released.
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