Mother "rationed" baby's food

[silvahalo68]

Didn't see this story posted after several searches...
Starving a baby is evil and heinous...an empty soul rotting in shit could only do this.

[URL="http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2006/06/20/news/local_news/news1.txt"]http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2006/06/20/news/local_news/news1.txt
ELKO — A mother accused of starving her baby to death could not afford baby food and was trying to “ration” formula received from a government agency, an Elko District Court jury was told Monday.

Salvana Maria Fernandez, 22, is charged with first-degree murder and related counts.

The baby’s father, Florencio Carlos Uribe, will be tried separately in the case.

Uribe’s mother, Maribell Correa, testified that she, her boyfriend and her son all shared the expenses of the home. She also testified that she saw Fernandez get the water ready to make formula but she never saw her feed Monica.

After questions from the prosecution and the defense, the jury asked if the police were able to identify a motive.

“In my opinion she fed the baby enough to begin with and then around the sixth and seventh months she started rationing the food,” Kidd said.

Memeo said rationing as a “course of conduct” could be inconsistent with the first-degree murder charge. **...WTF??}

Once the jury returned to the courtroom Kidd testified, “It’s my opinion that Ms. Fernandez was rationing the Enfamil because it wasn’t going to last all month.”

A recorded interview between Kidd and Fernandez was played for the jury. On the tape, Fernandez’s voice could be heard telling Kidd the last time she saw Monica alive was at 9 a.m. the morning of Feb. 6. She admitted to only feeding her daughter the Enfamil provided by Women, Infants and Children, a federal program geared to help low-income families.

She told Kidd the reason she didn’t feed Monica baby food was because she didn’t have money.

Kidd said there were 10 cans of Enfamil in Fernandez’s bedroom the day Monica was pronounced dead. {FUCK!!!}

Kidd asked her if she went to local charities or a church to receive help for her child. She told him she was refused services.

“Did she ever tell you she didn’t know how much to feed Monica?” Jordan asked.

“She never told me that, no,” Kidd responded.

Kidd said when he asked Fernandez why she hadn’t been feeding the baby, “she just shrugged her shoulders.” Kidd testified that he kept asking Fernandez and “she finally said she was going through a lot.” {Uuh, no your baby was going thru a lot, fuck'n dying!}

During a second interview, Kidd said Fernandez told him that she tried to feed Monica at 3:30 a.m. Feb. 6 after she heard her daughter cry. She then checked on Monica at 8:30 a.m., and the baby was cold so she covered her with a blanket. She discovered Monica wasn’t breathing around noon, Kidd testified.

Kidd also said Fernandez told him Monica stopped eating on Feb. 4 and she didn’t take her daughter to the doctor because she didn’t have any money or insurance.

“She never admitted to you in any of these interviews that she wanted her baby dead?” Stermitz asked.

“That’s correct,” Kidd responded.

Stermitz’s main witnesses Monday were Fernandez’s mother, Patsy, and Fernandez’s sister, Jessica.

Patsy Fernandez said Salvana had not been a healthy baby and had to be watched carefully for about the first three years of her life. She also testified that Salvana had been in special education classes. {someone cared enough to take care of her ass...}

Jessica Fernandez, 23, testified that when she was “involved” with Florencio Carlos Uribe, 22, he was abusive. Uribe also is father to Jessica’s 5-year-old daughter and 3-year-old daughter.

“He was really abusive and really controlling,” Jessica Fernandez said. “Everything a girl could go through I went through with Carlos.”

Jessica Fernandez and her mother both testified neither of them knew Salvana was pregnant with Carlos’s child until after Mario, an older sibling, was born.

Jessica Fernandez also testified that the father’s cars “always came first before his kids.”

She also said she tried to get Salvana away from Carlos but he prevented Salvana from leaving Elko.

“You don’t get along with Carlos?” Jordan asked.

“Not no more,” Jessica Fernandez testified.

Jessica Fernandez also testified that Salvana was a good mother who always put her children first.

Jordan asked if Salvana ever told Jessica whether the baby was taken to the hospital.

“She said she tried to take the baby to the hospital but she was denied because she had no insurance,” Jessica Fernandez testified.

Jessica Fernandez also testified that she never received child support from Uribe.

The trial continues today in Memeo’s courtroom. The prosecution will call rebuttal witnesses.

She is accused of starving her 7-month-old daughter to death in 2005. Monica was pronounced dead Feb. 6 at Northeastern Nevada Regional Hospital. She weighed about 8.4 pounds, according to the Washoe County Coroner’s Office.

Fernandez, in addition to facing a first-degree murder charge, also faces first-degree murder by means of child abuse, aiding and abetting murder in the first degree by means of child abuse, murder in the second degree and child abuse resulting in substantial bodily harm.

Monica’s father will face the same charges when his trial gets under way in August. If they are found guilty of either of the first degree murder charges they could face life in prison without the possibility of parole.

I don't understand how this mother could stand to hear her baby cry in hunger...BITCH, you are no mother, simply a murderer!
I would have literately taken my baby to a hospital(s), and said, my baby is starving, I can't feed her, I need help. Someone would have helped her. I think it really comes down to a mother who didn't want the responsibility of caring for a baby and she just stopped feeding her...only to claim, she just got sick and wouldn't eat.
There was food present 10 fucking cans! yeah, this bitch decided to let her baby die.

UPDATE ON TRAIL:

http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=9476594&nav=menu549_2
New trial for Elko woman convicted in baby's death

Associated Press - December 8, 2008 12:15 PM ET

ELKO, Nev. (AP) - An Elko woman convicted of starving her baby to death has been granted a new trial by the Nevada Supreme Court.

The high court reversed the conviction of Salvana Fernandez, saying jurors were given improper instructions.

The 24-year-old Fernandez was convicted in June 2006 of child abuse or neglect causing substantial bodily harm in the death of her 7-month-old daughter, Monica Uribe.

The little girl was taken to Northeastern Nevada Regional Hospital on Feb. 6, 2005, where she was pronounced dead. An autopsy showed she weighed a little over 8 pounds.

Fernandez was sentenced to eight to 20 years in prison.

But justices remanded the case back to Elko District Court for retrial, saying jurors were not advised that to convict Fernandez of the child abuse charge, they had to find she acted intentionally, unreasonably and knowingly.


Mom guilty of neglect, not murder {wtf??? sorry, but this is a load of shit!}

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-23-Fri-2006/news/8127122.html
ELKO -- An Elko County jury found a 22-year-old woman guilty of child abuse and neglect but innocent of first-degree murder on Thursday in the starvation death of her infant daughter.

Salvana Fernandez of Elko cried after the verdict was read. She was accused of deliberately starving 7-month-old Monica Uribe.
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The baby weighed just over eight pounds when she was pronounced dead at the Northeastern Nevada Regional Hospital in February 2005, police said.

Jurors waded through more than a week of testimony and deliberated for a day and a half before acquitting her on the murder charge and opting for felony child abuse.

Fernandez faces anywhere from two to 20 years in prison under the felony conviction. Elko District Judge Mike Memeo has not yet set a sentencing date.

The baby's father -- Florencio Carlos Uribe, 22, of Elko -- is scheduled to stand trial on the same charges in August.

Elko Deputy District Attorney Troy Jordan said he was happy with the verdict. He said sentencing should be set within 45 days.

"It's our system. If that's how they feel, that's how they feel," Jordan told the Elko Daily Free Press. "The system does work."

Fernandez's attorney, Matt Stermitz, didn't say whether he was pleased or displeased with the verdict.

"It's just a very, very sad case," Stermitz said. "I feel bad. I feel lonely."

Fernandez's mother, Patsy Fernandez, also was crying and hugging her daughter after the verdict.

"She did not do it," Fernandez said when asked about the jury's decision. "She would never do nothing to hurt her kids."

Baby Monica, I am so sorry your cries went unheeded...you suffered greatly. Everyone who knew you and living amongst you is guilty of letting you die.
My heart breaks you didn't have a mother who championed your life as the most precious gift ever.
Rest in peace baby Monica...kisses.

[silvahalo68]

http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2006/08/31/news/local_news/news7.txt
ELKO — A defense attorney claimed an Elko father’s ignorance was at play when his infant daughter starved to death in 2005 but a prosecutor characterized it as cold indifference.

The jury will now sort out its verdict after a week of testimony concluded Wednesday in the second murder trial stemming from 7-month-old Monica Uribe’s death. The case was submitted to the jury Wednesday in Elko District Court.

Florencio Carlos Uribe , 22, of Elko is accused of starving his daughter, Monica, to death.

Monica Uribe was pronounced dead Feb. 6, 2005 at Northeastern Nevada Regional Hospital. She weighed 8.4 pounds, according to the Washoe County Coroner’s Office.

During closing arguments, Uribe’s attorney, Roger Stewart said his client wasn’t guilty because the child’s mother, Salvana Maria Fernandez, was responsible.

Fernandez, 33, was tried for Monica’s death in June.

Stewart said Fernandez “basically confessed” when she testified in court Tuesday.

“She’s certainly in denial about a number of things,” Stewart said.

Stewart said Fernandez still thinks she was a good mother even though she didn’t do anything to help her child.

“I asked her yesterday, ‘and so you just let it happen?”’ Stewart told the jury. “And she said ‘let what happen?’ She tells you it didn’t mean anything to her. It didn’t set off any red flags. ... Salvana, though she may be guilty of neglect, she didn’t think she was. If she’s not indicating that something is wrong with the child how is Carlos to know?” {use your own eyes, don't tell me you didn't know POS!}

Stewart said Fernandez was keeping Monica isolated from the rest of the family. He also said Fernandez didn’t tell Uribe about Monica’s doctor appointments.

Stewart also said Fernandez was play-acting when she called 911, crying.

“Only Salvana is really going to know what happened to the child,” Stewart said.

“Could Carlos have done a lot of things better? Of course he could,” Stewart said. “For all his faults he’s not guilty of all these crimes.”

Stewart said his client did not kill Monica.

“You’re being asked to find Carlos guilty of abusing or neglecting her by doing nothing when he didn’t know that anything was wrong,” Stewart said. “If you’re ignorant or mistaken then you’re not guilty. He indeed seems to be mistaken of what was going on in that house.” {he's a LIAR}

Deputy District Attorney Troy Jordan offered a starkly different opinion.

“It’s time to get back on task. This is about Carlos Uribe. It’s not about Salvana Fernandez,” Jordan said as he began his rebuttal closing argument.

“All you heard about from the defense was Salvana this and Salvana that. ... This is not a mistake. It’s an indifference. You heard it on the stand, he was home and didn’t check on the kids. The reason he didn’t know what was going on wasn’t because of some mistake but because he didn’t care.” {damn straight. for that he deserves the same punishment...he was just as responsible for Monica's well being as the mother's}.

Jordan said Uribe’s testimony contradicted Stewart’s theory that he didn’t know what was going on in the house. “He said he fed the child four times a week,” Jordan said.

“It doesn’t matter who the primary caregiver was. It doesn’t matter that dad worked and mom didn’t. There comes a time as a father when you have to step in.

“The entire time his child was wasting away and he wasn’t doing anything because he didn’t know what was going on? Well, lean over the bed Mr. Uribe and look in the bassinet and check things out,” Jordan said.

Jordan said Uribe was “put on notice” about Monica needing to be fed after his mother and a Department of Child and Family Services worker told him to feed Monica. {wtf? DCF was involved?}

Jordan also said Uribe showed indifference after Monica died. A witness testified that she tried to console him about the death and Uribe’s response was “Oh she was a premie anyway,” Jordan said. {FUCK...baby didn't have a chance}

Jordan said Uribe’s first excuse for Monica’s death was that he didn’t have enough money, and then it was that he worked overtime too much, and finally that he just didn’t understand what was going on in his house.

“I think what he didn’t get was that he needed to be a father and step in and do something about his child’s condition,” Jordan said.

“Failing to feed your child over a long period of time is no accident.”

The jury continues its deliberations today.

Uribe has been charged with first-degree murder, first-degree murder by means of child abuse, aiding and abetting murder in the first degree by means of child abuse, murder in the second degree and child abuse resulting in substantial bodily harm.

If he is found guilty of either of the first-degree murder charges he could face life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Fernandez was found guilty of child abuse resulting in substantial bodily harm.

She was sentenced Monday to 20 years in prison with the possibility of parole after eight years.

Florencio Carlos Uribe...babies father
http://www.elkodaily.com/content/articles/2006/08/31/news/local_news/news7_thumb.jpg

You worthless piece of shit! you don't deserve to be associated with baby Monica as her father. In every sense of the word, you were her murderer.

Looking for a pic of Salvana

[Nell]

Wic does not give you all the formula you need, just a help with it. Get it dumb ass women? My daughter is on formula and we get 9 cans a month. I still must purchase 2 or 3 more cans to last the full 30 days. And guess what? You can buy formula with food stamps. If you have three kids and are poor enough for WIC you qualify for food stamps, don't even try to fuck around and lie about it.

You know, I am almost numb to the evil people will do but the ones that stand by and watch I will never understand. If I saw a 7 month old child that weighed 8 and half motherfucking pounds I think I am bright enough to figure out that something is wrong and get her to the hospital, call the cops, CSD, 911 something! Every hospital in the land will take you without insurance if they are a non for profit. This was a case of "inconvenient infant syndrome" and they should all rot in jail.

[silvahalo68]

Wic does not give you all the formula you need, just a help with it. Get it dumb ass women? My daughter is on formula and we get 9 cans a month. I still must purchase 2 or 3 more cans to last the full 30 days. And guess what? You can buy formula with food stamps. If you have three kids and are poor enough for WIC you qualify for food stamps, don't even try to fuck around and lie about it.

You know, I am almost numb to the evil people will do but the ones that stand by and watch I will never understand. If I saw a 7 month old child that weighed 8 and half motherfucking pounds I think I am bright enough to figure out that something is wrong and get her to the hospital, call the cops, CSD, 911 something! Every hospital in the land will take you without insurance if they are a non for profit. This was a case of "inconvenient infant syndrome" and they should all rot in jail.

Good one Nell... "inconvenient infant syndrome". You are so right on every account. My mother feed us by means of WIC and food stamps...none of us starved and she had 7 children total...**thanks**, my button is MIA.

[moonlilly1981]

I have no words for this. Disgust and hatred towards people like this. No one cared enough about this little girl. She weighed less at seven months old then both of my children did at birth. Poor thing must have been in so much pain.

[DarkPrincess]

I have no clue how WIC works because I didn't qualify, but this sounds like bullshit. Formula is expensive, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Your kid needs to eat. There is something wrong with this lady.

[Abroad]

Sounds like this sperm donor couldn't have cared less about his baby. If he had bothered to even look at her for a minute in the last few weeks of her ordeal, he would have known something was wrong.


And the defence think he should be given a pass for being so monumentally uninterested? Surely he knew the woman he was rogering was not the brightest bulb on the pier?

[Dakota Valkyrie]

are poor enough for WIC you qualify for food stampsMy daughter received WIC but did not qualify for any other assistance due to her income. They have a higher threshold than Food Stamps.

Because this woman's only source of income was probably SSI and she had kids, they is no doubt that she would qualify.

She was mentally challenged in some way. I think her mental status may have had something to do with the jury's verdict.

Her family should have kept better on on things. What kind of grandma would get on the stand and say she never saw the mother feed the baby?

I think the whole lot of them rode the little bus.

[penelopejo]

I was told that if you had WIC you couldn't get food stamps and vice versa. And this was told to me by one of the workers in the office. I had WIC until my daughter was 15 months. I stopped going cause I could afford to buy food on my own. They give you like 30 cans(concentrated) for the entire month, then some for baby cereal,then some for peanut butter and eggs. She could've fed her baby the baby cereal along with the formula in the bottle. Or even as a bottle feeding. Some people are just so ignorant. And I was always running out of formula towards the last 10 days. I would just go out and buy the powdered kind because it lasts a little longer than the concentrated. There's alot of things she could've done but she didn't. What I said above with the baby cereal, you learn in the WIC classes they give. So there really should've been no excuse as to why the baby died. But again, if she(mom) was mentally challenged, then I see how it could've gotten by.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Think about it... even if you couldn't afford more formula and truly did have to ration it to make it last a month, your kid would NOT starve to death... not gain and grow as they should and be cranky but probably not dead.

A 7-month-old that weighs 8lbs and dies sounds like a lot more than "rationing" of the formula was going on.

[tricia381]

Um, wow. Every woman is capable of providing free food to her child thru breastfeeding (unless you had breast augmentation). Sure its hard for some first time mothers but if you cant afford formula or WIC isnt giving you enough, try breastfeeding.
I breastfed both of my daughters and it was hard at first...blisters and cracked bleeding nipples but it was FREE and actually way better for baby due to important nutrients not provided in formula, not to mention it creates a life long bond between mother and baby.
Its just unbelievable this baby died with 10 cans of formula in the house.
If she didnt have enough to feed the baby she could have provided breastmilk to supplement when formula got low. It really isnt that hard to keep a baby fed.
I understand not every mother has time or opportunity to breastfeed, but this chick didnt have a job...there is NO excuse. She might have been mentally defective or whatever but she knew she needed food to survive, how hard is it to apply that same logic to a baby whos 8 pounds at 7 months?

[Just my luck sucks]

Every woman is capable of providing free food to her child thru breastfeeding (unless you had breast augmentation)

I for one, know for a fact you can still breast feed after augmentation surgery. Don't ask how I know this.:wink3:

However, I also know that sometimes a woman's body won't cooperate and make milk even when you do everything possible to lactate. My milk flat out stopped the day I returned to work and OB/GYN said it was due to stress.

I do agree this man & woman intentional starved this poor child.

[ceisdsgil]

Um, wow. Every woman is capable of providing free food to her child thru breastfeeding (unless you had breast augmentation). Sure its hard for some first time mothers but if you cant afford formula or WIC isnt giving you enough, try breastfeeding.
I breastfed both of my daughters and it was hard at first...blisters and cracked bleeding nipples but it was FREE and actually way better for baby due to important nutrients not provided in formula, not to mention it creates a life long bond between mother and baby.
Its just unbelievable this baby died with 10 cans of formula in the house.
If she didnt have enough to feed the baby she could have provided breastmilk to supplement when formula got low. It really isnt that hard to keep a baby fed.
I understand not every mother has time or opportunity to breastfeed, but this chick didnt have a job...there is NO excuse. She might have been mentally defective or whatever but she knew she needed food to survive, how hard is it to apply that same logic to a baby whos 8 pounds at 7 months?

I beg to differ on one point.. not every child can thrive off their mother's milk. My second oldest was lactose intolerant. At her 2 wk well baby check up, the doctor realized something was wrong and admitted her to the hospital. It took them a whole week to figure out that she was allergic to my breast milk. Go figure.

and to the person who said you can't draw both WIC and foodstamps, I suspect it has to do with either, what state you're in or .. the welfare reform. when my youngest was a baby, I was on SSI and getting afdc, foodstamps and wic for her.

~shadow

[Rockin Ma]

I am not aware of other states, but if you qualify for WIC then your child will qualify for HUSKY which is health insurance. Further, I don't think in any state anyone is turned down for not having insurance. Anyone can go to the emergency room, you'll get a bill later, but you will not be turned away. She just plain didn't care for her baby. Bitch.

Who doesn't notice a seven month old that weighs as little as a newborn. Seven months, they are sitting up, some crawl and cruise. I can't imagine eight pounds at seven months. I really feel more people should be held responsible.

[silvahalo68]

I was told that if you had WIC you couldn't get food stamps and vice versa. And this was told to me by one of the workers in the office....

I'm sure requirements have changed since a couple of decades or so. I do remember my mother saying she got both for some time...wouldn't know specifics since I was a child back then.

Nevertheless, the women had options. I know she was young and inexperienced and apparently mentally challenged at some level, but she couldn't have been that challenged. She had the frame of mind to obtain help at the beginning, and certainly knew something was wrong with the baby. I'm sure baby girl was crying all the time until she was to weak to cry....and what was with the 10 can's of formula they found in the house?

The only person I feel any sympathy for is that poor baby Monica. What a painful way to die...slowly wasting away. Sweet baby girl, I'm so sorry.

[Morgana]

YES AND Salvana would never hurt her kids, cuz if her baby was lying out in the street it is because her man wouldn't let her in the house, and if her baby didn't have a clean diaper its because there's no money for that when they have other bills to pay and a store is too far away and if her other 2 daughters would of starved, well you can't expect the food stamps to feed, 3 or 4.....!!!! You know her man had to have the big piece of chicken....and you know if she was outside with the baby in the open while raining, it's becasue they don't have a 'baby' umbrella and if she wasn't dressed right its because Salvation Army threw her out the door.... GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH ALL THESE LIES AND SHIT, BEAT THIS BITCH DOWN ALREADY, hell throw her mom in the pot for GP, she knows a 7 MONTH OLD BABY WEIGHING 8 LBS WASN'T EATING AND IT WAS DELIBERATE....SURELY YOU SEEN EVERY BONE IN THE HUMAN BODY OF THAT BABY. THEY HAVE OTHER CHILDREN....THEY KNOW!!!!!!!! KILL EM ALL!

[Morgana]

FUck this, Im pissed off right now.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAURY has tv shows with 7-8 month babies eating fucking whole pizzas and shit, but she couldn't afford baby food....!!!!!!!!! A poor mother would feed her child whatever SHE HAD IN THE HOUSE, she would NOT eat until her children had food in their stomach, she might even go out and steal some shit for them.... whatever she had as food in the house- she would of broke it down and gave it to them! The baby could of swollowed some rice and beans, as hungry as that baby MUST OF BEEN she would swallow her own finger ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh this lying ass bitch, I am so mad right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad22:

[Tazzzz]

Damn thoughs people had some pretty lame ass excuses. Now they are saying mommy was dumb as a fucking rock and didnt know any better than to FEED HER CHILD. Come on how stupid do you have to be to not feed your own baby. She was smart enough to fuck some one and make a baby, she was smart enought to go shopping, she was smart enough to feed herself ......

Dam I wish I could find a pict of her , I bet shes a fat fucking cow.

During her trial, defense lawyer Matt Stermitz said Fernandez never intended to kill her child and, because of her limited intelligence, didn't understand that rationing the baby's food could result in her death.

Take the case of 7-month-old Monica Uribe, who was starved to death by her parents despite the fact there was a closet-full of baby formula in the house. Salvana Maria Fernandez and Florencio Carlos Uribe were both found guilty in separate trials.

22-year-old Florenico Carlos Uribe will have to serve at least eight years before he'll be eligible for parole. Elko District Court Judge Mike Memeo gave him the maximum sentence Tuesday on the charge of child abuse resulting in substantial bodily harm.



R.I.P. Little Monica Uribe,

[Castille]

In my state, WIC and food stamps are 2 seperate programs with their own differing eligibility requirements. Participating in one program certainly wouldn't preclude you from being in the other, especially since WIC is only about feeding children and pregnant and breastfeeding women. Where I live, the WIC program has much more generous eligibilty requirements than food stamps, and this is true in most places. I've qualified for WIC at various times and in various states, but I've never qualified for food stamp programs anywhere I've lived.

And I've heard of a lot of stupid things people have done when the cost of formula is becoming beyond their reach - watering it down, feeding milk, soy or rice, feeding other drinks and table food at an unhealthy early age... But simply withholding the formula when there are cans of it available in the house? It just seems purely malicious. We're supposed to believe she's too dumb to realize not feeding the baby would kill it, but yet she can plan ahead to stretch her formula supply to last the month? I assume that because she was a premature baby, she wasn't ready for regular food at 7-8 months - because a normal baby at that age will eat whatever the heck is on your plate made gummable.

[hunnie]

He sure looks pretty healthy.....got some mighty Jowl action going on....
I do see him as the selfish type....what did he do get two sisters pregnant ?.....what a strange set up...

If the mother was mentally disabled, wouldn't she qualify for some type of disability? Shes got to be off her rocker to have all that baby formula on hand and not feed that baby.....she has to be off in the head....either way....

along with the rest of the household....they should prosecute all the adults

[penelopejo]

I'm sure requirements have changed since a couple of decades or so. I do remember my mother saying she got both for some time...wouldn't know specifics since I was a child back then. GOD!!! DO I SOUND THAT OLD!!!! I'm only 20, turning 21 on Thursday. My daughter is going to be 3 in Feb. so they turned me down not too long ago. I find it quite odd cause they told me if I applied for medicaid, then I could get all 3, but I told them, I pay for health insurance already and why couldn't they use my true gross(I pay $300 every paycheck for hubby, baby, and me) and they said they had to use my gross before they took out for health insurance. I try not to use the system unless I really need it which is why I had gotten WIC.

And most mothers would do anything to feed her baby. MOST is the key word. She wasn't most. Dumb girl letting her baby die like that. Everyone in that household should be in jail for letting that baby waste away like that.

[silvahalo68]

GOD!!! DO I SOUND THAT OLD!!!! I'm only 20, turning 21 on Thursday. My daughter is going to be 3 in Feb. so they turned me down not too long ago. I find it quite odd cause they told me if I applied for medicaid, then I could get all 3, but I told them, I pay for health insurance already and why couldn't they use my true gross(I pay $300 every paycheck for hubby, baby, and me) and they said they had to use my gross before they took out for health insurance. I try not to use the system unless I really need it which is why I had gotten WIC.

And most mothers would do anything to feed her baby. MOST is the key word. She wasn't most. Dumb girl letting her baby die like that. Everyone in that household should be in jail for letting that baby waste away like that.

No I was referring to me Pene, not you! I am 40 but I was referring to my mother who is 68...sorry!

[Spitfire77]

A poor mother would feed her child whatever SHE HAD IN THE HOUSE, she would NOT eat until her children had food in their stomach, she might even go out and steal some shit for them.... whatever she had as food in the house- she would of broke it down and gave it to them!

Exactly. When my husband was out of work, my son still ate as much food as he needed to. If it meant my husband and I were splitting a pack of Ramen every meal for a week just so we could buy formula and diapers, then that's what had to be done. I HATE the stupid, selfish people that are blessed with the gift of parenthood. :laser:

[Morgana]

Exactly. When my husband was out of work, my son still ate as much food as he needed to. If it meant my husband and I were splitting a pack of Ramen every meal for a week just so we could buy formula and diapers, then that's what had to be done. I HATE the stupid, selfish people that are blessed with the gift of parenthood. :laser:

That is so beautiful and so sad at the same time! I didn't have much food when I was young and sometimes food was withheld as punishment. AS a result, I'm a hungry adult!!!! I eat fast and stock food like a bunker from my childhood insecurities. People will say "it's not going anywhere, no one's gonna take it..." but there was a time that wasn't a funny comment! Many many people are struggling right now, seriously we all know it. It pulls my heartstrings when I see people carefully budgeting, buying the cheapest foods with the least nutrition to make it last...but I understand it and I know it well. So to see A FUCKING BITCH WITH TONS OF CANS OF FORMULA, I SAY KILL HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I'm back on that.....

[silvahalo68]

That is so beautiful and so sad at the same time! I didn't have much food when I was young and sometimes food was withheld as punishment. AS a result, I'm a hungry adult!!!! I eat fast and stock food like a bunker from my childhood insecurities. People will say "it's not going anywhere, no one's gonna take it..." but there was a time that wasn't a funny comment! Many many people are struggling right now, seriously we all know it. It pulls my heartstrings when I see people carefully budgeting, buying the cheapest foods with the least nutrition to make it last...but I understand it and I know it well. So to see A FUCKING BITCH WITH TONS OF CANS OF FORMULA, I SAY KILL HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I'm back on that.....

aah, Morgana, my heart is with you. I so understand where you're coming from.
I had the same experience as a child from a family of 9, 7 of those children. Today, as an adult, I get anxious when I'm getting low on something, milk, bread, eggs, etc.usually the necessities. It got so bad with my first child, with formula and diapers that I was hording stuff! my husband had to sit me down and ask wtf was going on. Yep, it stays with you no matter what. The last thing I'd ever let happen is let my children go without food. I'd sale the last shirt on my back and become a lady of the night before letting that happen.
A mother without these afflictions, and yes, I understand she had some kind of mental handicap, still would know the difference between "rationing" food and starving a baby.

Thanks for sharing.

[TheLittleFriend]

What a fucking bitch. This is pure evil. I was on WIC with my first son...I had LOAD of cheese, milk and formula. I was glad WIC help me because I need the help. That bitch is selfish. She wasted our hard-earning taxes on formula that she did not use it! She should be charged with MURDER. Straving the baby to death is murder, period.

[nurseronda]

Wic does not give you all the formula you need, just a help with it. Get it dumb ass women? My daughter is on formula and we get 9 cans a month. I still must purchase 2 or 3 more cans to last the full 30 days. And guess what? You can buy formula with food stamps. If you have three kids and are poor enough for WIC you qualify for food stamps, don't even try to fuck around and lie about it.Nell, some who do get WIC, do not get foodstamps. WIC provides baby cereal and juices too. This woman had to take the baby to the WIC clinic, why didn't they notice that the baby wasn't gaining weight? Why didn't they step in? They would have had to have seen the baby at 6-months-old for a re-evaluation of those benefits.

[rebel450]

Nell, some who do get WIC, do not get foodstamps. WIC provides baby cereal and juices too. This woman had to take the baby to the WIC clinic, why didn't they notice that the baby wasn't gaining weight? Why didn't they step in? They would have had to have seen the baby at 6-months-old for a re-evaluation of those benefits.


It makes you wonder if these agencies really do their jobs. Probably would have created more paperwork for them.

[crickett]

They're ALL worthless POS! The so-called mother, the grandmother and the sperm donor. They are ALL guilty of starving this little one to death. And they ALL deserve to die, not just prison, they deserve to die. And the judge who overturned her conviction. Well, the judge will be greeting them in hell.

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[Nell]

Nell, some who do get WIC, do not get foodstamps. WIC provides baby cereal and juices too. This woman had to take the baby to the WIC clinic, why didn't they notice that the baby wasn't gaining weight? Why didn't they step in? They would have had to have seen the baby at 6-months-old for a re-evaluation of those benefits.

Ok since it has been pointed out to me twice now you do not automatically qualify for foodstamps if you get WIC. That is true. But if you are on SSI, have 3 kids and a man that sporadiacally works you will almost certainly qualify for foodstamps. Ok? I was posting angry. Sorry.

[tricia381]

I beg to differ on one point.. not every child can thrive off their mother's milk. My second oldest was lactose intolerant. At her 2 wk well baby check up, the doctor realized something was wrong and admitted her to the hospital. It took them a whole week to figure out that she was allergic to my breast milk. Go figure.

Right...I didnt experience this but I understand what its like to have your body "turn against you" so to speak. Im rh- so I have to get shots while pregnant or after delivery (or miscarriage). Im not sensitized but I have read up on it and seen what it can do to unborn children. Not really related to milk allergies but along the line of your body not working with you.
Its really odd that that could happen...not saying it doesnt, just wow...you would think your body could produce what your child needs.

And as far as the augmentation, I was thinking reduction or mastectomy. I should have said that but my fingers dont type as fast as my brain thinks and I like to paraphrase or something like it lol

[Tazzzz]

Right...I didnt experience this but I understand what its like to have your body "turn against you" so to speak. Im rh- so I have to get shots while pregnant or after delivery (or miscarriage). Im not sensitized but I have read up on it and seen what it can do to unborn children. Not really related to milk allergies but along the line of your body not working with you.
Its really odd that that could happen...not saying it doesnt, just wow...you would think your body could produce what your child needs.


Not trying to correct anyone but, its almost unheard of for babys to be allergic to a moms breast milk, the allergys come from what the mother is eating and a change of diet will often fix the problums, IE cutting out all dairy or soy products from the diet.

Not sure about the RH factor thing though.

La Leche League claims that "true lactose intoleance is virtually unknown in babies and young children under weaning age" (The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding,2004 , 7th revised edition, p. 310) They claim that LI is only temporary and the result of intestinal illness or treatment with antibiotics (p. 309

Research has shown that foreign proteins do pass into breast milk and can cause allergy.1, 3 There are case reports in the literature of cow's milk protein in breast milk causing anaphylactic shock in infants.4 The possibility of allergic disease should be considered when a breastfeeding baby is not acting quite right, especially if the baby is not growing well.

http://www.llli.org/ba/Nov98.html

[ceisdsgil]

Right...I didnt experience this but I understand what its like to have your body "turn against you" so to speak. Im rh- so I have to get shots while pregnant or after delivery (or miscarriage). Im not sensitized but I have read up on it and seen what it can do to unborn children. Not really related to milk allergies but along the line of your body not working with you.
Its really odd that that could happen...not saying it doesnt, just wow...you would think your body could produce what your child needs.

And as far as the augmentation, I was thinking reduction or mastectomy. I should have said that but my fingers dont type as fast as my brain thinks and I like to paraphrase or something like it lol

It happens sometimes. i was rather shocked, as i'd hoped to breastfeed, and being in a low-income household, i thought it would be helpful to our finances, if i could.

~shadow

[ceisdsgil]

Not trying to correct anyone but, its almost unheard of for babys to be allergic to a moms breast milk, the allergys come from what the mother is eating and a change of diet will often fix the problums, IE cutting out all dairy or soy products from the diet.

Not sure about the RH factor thing though.





http://www.llli.org/ba/Nov98.html

i understand where you are coming from Tazzzz.. However, this info wasn't available 20yrs ago. When the doctors determined it was due to allergy to my breastmilk, they didn't have the time nor the data available to determine what the specific allergy was. i wasn't drinking anything i shouldn't have been and i had a fairly healthy diet, more so than i do now. i ate a lot of green leafy vegetables, not a lot of fried foods, did a lot of baking/broiling (meats) i was terrified of gaining too much weight when i was pregnant with her, so i carefully watched what i ate, and after i gave birth, i continued to watch what i ate.
i didn't indulge as we didn't have the money to 'go out'.

Same daughter btw, is still allergic to dairy. She is now 20yrs old.

~shadow

[Morgana]

aah, Morgana, my heart is with you. I so understand where you're coming from.
I had the same experience as a child from a family of 9, 7 of those children. Today, as an adult, I get anxious when I'm getting low on something, milk, bread, eggs, etc.usually the necessities. It got so bad with my first child, with formula and diapers that I was hording stuff! my husband had to sit me down and ask wtf was going on. Yep, it stays with you no matter what. The last thing I'd ever let happen is let my children go without food. I'd sale the last shirt on my back and become a lady of the night before letting that happen.
A mother without these afflictions, and yes, I understand she had some kind of mental handicap, still would know the difference between "rationing" food and starving a baby.

Thanks for sharing.

OMG, I so hoard and stock up on food, diapers, you name it. I buy too much. I have been sad today especially since they found a body in FL (Caylee I'm assuming) but your post had me bust out in laughter!!! It's nice to know I'm not the only one who's crazy with the "food". EVERY person on earth that has ever been to my house, is like "ddddaaaaaaaaaammmmmmnnn, you feeding army's up in here!" Yeah bitches, I got the foooooooddd!!!!

Do you ever worry about world disaster and stocking up for that day...I do but I have no space.....:dong:

[ceisdsgil]

OMG, I so hoard and stock up on food, diapers, you name it. I buy too much. I have been sad today especially since they found a body in FL (Caylee I'm assuming) but your post had me bust out in laughter!!! It's nice to know I'm not the only one who's crazy with the "food". EVERY person on earth that has ever been to my house, is like "ddddaaaaaaaaaammmmmmnnn, you feeding army's up in here!" Yeah bitches, I got the foooooooddd!!!!

Do you ever worry about world disaster and stocking up for that day...I do but I have no space.....:dong:

my husband gets annoyed with me because i tend to horde things too. i stock up on stuff like soups, jarred/canned goods, toilet paper, (can never have too much TP) kleenex, laundry detergent, fabric softener, i buy loaves of bread and freeze it, same with anything else i can...that i can buy fresh and freeze..haven't been doin' it lately because money's been real tight, but the stuff i did stock up on, we're going through now.. it's a good thing i did stock up on this or that.. :)

~shadow

ps: am glad to know i'm not alone in my ...hording. :)