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Kyle Lee Payment required eight stitches after using a razor that he alleges was provided to him by corrections officers to cut his wrists and arms during a 2013 suicide attempt at a Washington prison.​
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lawsuit filed by a Washington state inmate who claims a corrections officer gave the reportedly suicidal prisoner a razor to finish the job will go to trial.

Kyle Lee Payment required eight stitches after breaking the razor and using the blade in February 2013 to cut his wrists and arms during what could have been a prevented suicide attempt
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Payment, who was originally imprisoned for a 2004 assault charge, asked to see mental health specialists, but two officers
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Corrections Center took him out of his cell for a shower instead and handed him the razor, Payment claimed in a handwritten grievance filed against the officers.

"You think I want to put up with him for the next 30 years?" one of the officers told the other, Payment wrote.

The guard then allegedly handed the razor
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to Payment and said: "Here. You're going to need this. That is if you are really serious."
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original lawsuit named several other defendants including the Clallam Bay superintendent, but U.S. District Judge Ronald Leighton dismissed them from the case.

The judge kept the corrections officers in the suit because if Payment's claims are true, Steven Weed and Randy Simonson gave Payment the razor knowing he was suicidal
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Payment has been held at the facility's Intensive Management Unit due to unruly or violent behavior, the newspaper reported, and has a history of assaulting corrections officers. His original sentence has been extended due to several convictions for those assaults.

A response to Payment's initial grievance cited a communication breakdown that was not intended as malicious or deliberate, documents show.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/wash-inmate-suit-alleging-guards-gave-razor-article-1.1887258

A federal judge has ordered to trial a lawsuit by a state prison inmate who alleges that corrections officers took him to the shower and gave him a razor after he had threatened suicide.
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The prison alleges Payment is a perpetually violent and troublesome inmate who has been housed at the Clallam Bay Corrections Center since first incarcerated in 2004 for assault. A motion by prison officials to dismiss the claim states that, almost since his arrival, he has been held in the Intensive Management Unit, where inmates are locked down most of the time because of unruly or violent behavior.
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Payment’s original prison sentence has grown after his being repeatedly convicted of assaulting corrections officers. At the time of the incident, he was facing a new charge of custodial assault with a 30-year sentence.

On Feb. 20, 2013, corrections officers subdued another unruly inmate using pepper spray, and Payment and the other inmates in the unit were locked down
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At the same time, Payment reportedly pressed the call-button in his cell and announced he was suicidal and needed help.
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officials say Payment has a long history of declaring false medical emergencies and believe he was taking advantage of a “chaotic situation to create a scene because he was upset” over losing his recreation time.

“This was no suicide attempt,” prison officials said
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Two corrections officers were sent to his cell, and according to Payment asked if he wanted his shower. They then escorted him to the shower and gave him a “kit,” which included soap, a tower and a safety razor.

The razor was included, according to prison officials, “due to a miscommunication among staff.”
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prison policy restricts inmates considered violent or suicidal from having razors or other items they might use to hurt themselves or others.

Payment claims one of the guards whispered to the other, “What, do you think I want him around for the next 30 years?”

He claims the other guard, on giving him the razor, told him, “You are going to need this, that is if you are really serious.”

U.S. District Judge Ronald Leighton dismissed several defendants, including the secretary of the state Department of Corrections and the superintendent from Clallam Bay, from the lawsuit. He allowed claims against the corrections officers to stand. In his ruling, he noted that at least one of the corrections officers knew of the suicide threat and that, if Payment’s claims are true, “decided to issue the razor to him despite this knowledge.”
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024203178_inmatelawsuit1xml.html
 
So, they handed him the razor and I'm supposed to care why? Yes, I'm a cold hearted cunt, he can't refrain from beating people up, so WTF do I care if he rids society of his dumbass?
 
I say....ehhh. I don't care. I am curious though that IF he wins his lawsuit will he discontinue his disruptive and violent behavior within the facilities to be able to spend some cash on the outside??

THOUGH one could really blow through a lot of loot in prison! The fact that he was facilitated to do what he claimed he wanted to do?? It is WRONG!!! but I don't care....If he wasn't in prison fighting and assaulting guards who are aware of his violent status, he would be on the streets doing the same to innocent (or not so) that may not be aware of what a complete douche this gu is...so again....ehhh.
 
Hey they were just giving him the option to clean that ugly crooked mug what he did with the razor was his decision LOL!
 
Smh...welcome to Seg. aka "The Hole." This shit goes on in jails & prisons constantly, especially falsifying medical and psychiatric emergencies. These assholes take up so much staff time, energy, money, and wasted resources, I'm positive these officers were sick to death of his violent, manipulative bullshit. In fact, I'd bet the farm on it. Attention-seeking, assaultive idiots like this test the limits of every single person who has to deal with them 24/7/365, including other inmates trying to serve their time in The Hole and get back out into General Population. They are a total, prison-wide nightmare, and if it were possible, the CO's, nursing staff, Psych docs, etc., wouldn't have to lift a finger to deal them; half the inmates he's housed with would beat him to a bloody pulp themselves.

That said, at the end of the day, the dumbest thing on the planet those officers could have done, accidently, or purposely, was let him get ahold of a razor. He had both officer's balls in his hands the second he got it in his greasy-assed, lying, manipulative hands. These guys (problem inmates) are SOB's down to their very bones, but they're *far* from stupid, and you have to be a certain kind of officer, sharp as a tack with impeccable ethics to be able to manage these personality types.

Gawd, I hate hearing stories like this that not only clog up our Criminal Justice dockets, but also where officers (1) end up crossing the line from joking about this stuff to actually doing it, (2) where this kind of oversight, if accidental, actually was an oversight & careers are ruined, and/or (3) where an assaultive inmate from hell ends up owning a CO, for whatever reason. I personally know of one case where a CO was deliberately giving a certain inmate in Seg. a "bologna sandwich with soggy bread," and a carton of "room temperature milk," for his diabetic bedtime snacks. The inmate sued, won, and was awarded...(wait for it...)... $2 million.

Along w/everyone else's POV, I'm looking forward to @Forensicwx 's input, too.
 
8 stitches? That's pathetic, I've had worse paper cuts.
I busted my eyebrow open about 3 inches and I required 18 stitches. I didn't even cry from the pain until they made me look at it in a mirror and thats when I balled my eyes out mainly cause I could see my bone and all.... Pathetic!!!!
 
I had 12 stitches in my cooter after my kid was born and it didn't even particularly hurt. 8 stitches, apparently he WASN'T that serious about it. Attention seeker.
 
Along w/everyone else's POV, I'm looking forward to @Forensicwx 's input, too.
Thanks
@gatekeeper.
So this lawsuit is obviously crap. Do I doubt a mistake was made during another inmate takedown and/or cell extraction? I do not. I also think he chose the perfect time to pull the suicide card, during organized chaos.

Aside from the nasty comments made by another member on this site (u know who u r) on a different thread toward me about inmate housing, OVERCROWDING IS A BITCH! It's real easy for u to sit on the outside and explain to me about how a prison works and how we assign prisoners. Get off you high horse!!! Wear my badge for a day! Just one day!
Anyway, (calming back down) we can't always separate mental/gang/RSOs/suicidal/general pop like everyone from the outside would like to believe.
But inmates have 24/7 to think up ways to manipulate, trick, connive and deceive others. COs, other offenders, gang members, women on the outside, family, etc. That's all this situation is. I've been threatened with 2K lawsuits, maybe a lawsuit against me will make the front page on the DD one day?!?!
That'd be awesome!!!!
 
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Allow me to follow that up with this. I'm not trying to sound cocky, or invoke empathy, my job sucks ass.
But someone made a nasty comment about how RSOs r protected in prisons and I had no idea what I was talking about. I left that alone at the time but wanted to tell that person off. So my last post included a bit of steam I needed to blow off.
Thanks. :woot:
 
But someone made a nasty comment about how RSOs r protected in prisons
Have you ever "encouraged" the inamtes to treat the RSO's special? My husband was in jail for a few months and worked in the kitchen when they got a molester in with an egg allergy, and the staff made sure that the workers put eggs and egg products in his meals. Always one of my favorite "feel good" stories.
 
Have you ever "encouraged" the inamtes to treat the RSO's special? My husband was in jail for a few months and worked in the kitchen when they got a molester in with an egg allergy, and the staff made sure that the workers put eggs and egg products in his meals. Always one of my favorite "feel good" stories.
Hmmmmm......tough question. :cool:
For the record, nope. Absolutely not. That would be against my Code of Ethics.
I will say that is a tragic *accident* that happened to that inmate. Unfortunately, we r outnumbered, sometimes 25:1, it's simply impossible to watch everyone all the time.

The key to this question is whether gen pop finds out what ur offense is. Only COs can look up ur conviction. There is no internet in prison.

The DD member I referenced attempted to say a sex offender is protected at all times, blah blah blah. Obviously not knowing my career
If someone thinks we magically have a cell in the Hole open and ready everytime a perv gets transferred, they know nothing about our system.

And now that my rant is over, one time a man who raped an 11 month old was beaten to a bloody pulp in the shower. I'm not sure how that happened.:angelic:
 
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Have you ever "encouraged" the inamtes to treat the RSO's special? My husband was in jail for a few months and worked in the kitchen when they got a molester in with an egg allergy, and the staff made sure that the workers put eggs and egg products in his meals. Always one of my favorite "feel good" stories.
And u know even the guys in PC. Someone gets out of the hole, only after he watches how the chow cart makes it's rounds, counts what tray the RSO will get. Then spit, piss, poop (usually transported from their cells) whatever in their food and stack the trays accordingly for our pod. I'm not allowed to lift the lid off their food tray. They r amazingly good at this kind of revenge.
 
I say....ehhh. I don't care. I am curious though that IF he wins his lawsuit will he discontinue his disruptive and violent behavior within the facilities to be able to spend some cash on the outside??

THOUGH one could really blow through a lot of loot in prison! The fact that he was facilitated to do what he claimed he wanted to do?? It is WRONG!!! but I don't care....If he wasn't in prison fighting and assaulting guards who are aware of his violent status, he would be on the streets doing the same to innocent (or not so) that may not be aware of what a complete douche this gu is...so again....ehhh.
There r limits on how much commissary an inmate can have on their books. They can't go crazy and throw thousands on it. It's usually weekly/monthly.
 
Allow me to follow that up with this. I'm not trying to sound cocky, or invoke empathy, my job sucks ass.
But someone made a nasty comment about how RSOs r protected in prisons and I had no idea what I was talking about. I left that alone at the time but wanted to tell that person off. So my last post included a bit of steam I needed to blow off.
Thanks. :woot:

Steam away, Officer @Forensicwx, salute! I most definitely know that the vast majority of you ladies and gents do a fantastic job of not only protecting the public from the heinous shitbags we read about, but it's a job most ppl couldn't/wouldn't, do and, you do it for a whole lot less than many ppl might think, esp. in smaller, less populated areas.

You made an excellent point about overcrowding. It's horrible here in KC, but in jails like Alameda County, CA., and Riker's in NY, for example, where populations exceed a housing roster/pop sheet above 7,000 inmates per *day* (and most are all pre-trial), it's impossible.

Though there are most certainly jails/prisons where CO's and a host of other LEO's w/rank do segregate/separate their own populations as best they can, a huge portion of inmate housing is done by "Classifications Depts.", not the CO's (I know you already know all this, just commenting). The "Special Housing Regs," for example, are most often controlled at the City & State level and handed down, so even if CO's did/do disagree w/certain kinds of housing, they have no control over who goes where - that falls under the handy, dandy jurisdiction of the politicians who've never personally stepped foot in the pods/cellhouses. SSDD.

Re: this particular pos, let's just say creeps of this caliber end up PC'd (in Protective Custody) right off the bat b/c pissed off LEO's of all kinds, as well as ppl assoc. w/the Crim. Justice system, and even John Q. Public, often makes sure the in-house jail population already *knows* what these sick SOB's are coming in for as soon as they're arrested. The minute the arrest goes out over the police radio channels, the "grapevine" goes into action to help ensure these "Chesters" have a really pleasant stay...(sarcasm).

With all the shitty issues you gals/guys have to deal w/everyday, you've got to find a way to 'unleash the beast" somehow. In my case, it was always a bright spot in my morning to know these freaks of nature *were* going to be housed in PC when I got to work b/c that meant somebody already dropped a dime to the Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings, Bloods, Crips and Heartless Felons, and they were literally "slob"bering to get of hold them... ;)

Oops, must've been typing & fighting Wi-Fi fever while y'all were posting, lol.
 
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Have you ever "encouraged" the inamtes to treat the RSO's special? My husband was in jail for a few months and worked in the kitchen when they got a molester in with an egg allergy, and the staff made sure that the workers put eggs and egg products in his meals. Always one of my favorite "feel good" stories.

Now THAT's what I'm talking about! Lmao!
 
Sry for the 3rd post, but after I got my new kitten's butt outta my face, a quick, neurotic recheck of my posts kinda made me sound like I really am a Nurse Ratchet :nurse:. Nope, my ethics are annoyingly intact and always have been, but I'm not going to say I ever remember crying my eyes out when inmates/criminal pukes who're serious management problems got fucked with either. Tyvm. *curtsey*
 
But wouldn't a bunch of correction officers give out razors then? I mean I'm sure there are plenty of inmates that the officers wouldn't want to "deal with" for the next 30yrs and some that have done waaaay word crimes then this douche
 
But wouldn't a bunch of correction officers give out razors then? I mean I'm sure there are plenty of inmates that the officers wouldn't want to "deal with" for the next 30yrs and some that have done waaaay word crimes then this douche
No comment b/c I'm not sure what u attempted to say here.
 
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Sry for the 3rd post, but after I got my new kitten's butt outta my face, a quick, neurotic recheck of my posts kinda made me sound like I really am a Nurse Ratchet :nurse:. Nope, my ethics are annoyingly intact and always have been, but I'm not going to say I ever remember crying my eyes out when inmates/criminal pukes who're serious management problems got fucked with either. Tyvm. *curtsey*
No I appreciate ur remarks. And u r correct. I've cried my eyes out when a mentally handicapped inmate committed suicide on my watch. I've mentioned this b4, but he wrote his suicide letter to me.
However, Intake determines where offenders r placed. My hands r tied. I accept the ppl handed to me, I have no say as to whether they belong there. Whether the higher ups were correct or not, I accept what they say. But shit also rolls downhill. They don't have to deal with possible incorrect choices.

But it is nice to have a nurse who worked in a SuperMax to understand our predicament. Thanks @gatekeeper. Although everyone on the DD seems to be very empathetic to my job. Thanks everyone! I'll let the next ass r*pe happen on y'all's behalf!
 
No comment b/c I'm not sure what u said.

Really? What don't you understand? I just don't see how this would be a first like wouldn't the officers give out more razor blades to others to "kill themselves" Why just this one guy?
I'm thinking maybe the inmate made it up because the officers would most likely not give out weapons that can be used against them.
Can you figure out what I'm saying now?
 
Really? What don't you understand? I just don't see how this would be a first like wouldn't the officers give out more razor blades to others to "kill themselves" Why just this one guy?
I'm thinking maybe the inmate made it up because the officers would most likely not give out weapons that can be used against them.
Can you figure out what I'm saying now?
Lol, I suppose I cannot figure out what ur saying. Maybe I'm retarded. R u engaged to one of my inmates?
It's not as easy as u seem to think it is. I'm gonna hurt myself is claimed, literally, dozens of times every day. And guess what, no safety razor? They cry out! "No fair, I need to shave!" My face, my sack, whatever. U r denying me my human rights!!!!
Sorry @SkummyRummy, u have no clue what u're talking about.
I'm not being a bitch, I'm being realistic.
 
Lol, I suppose I cannot figure out what ur saying. Maybe I'm retarded. R u engaged to one of my inmates?
It's not as easy as u seem to think it is. I'm gonna hurt myself is claimed, literally, dozens of times every day. And guess what, no safety razor? They cry out! "No fair, I need to shave!" My face, my sack, whatever. U r denying me my human rights!!!!
Sorry @SkummyRummy, u have no clue what u're talking about.
I'm not being a bitch, I'm being realistic.

I never said you were retarded and that's idiotic to assume I'm "engaged" to one of your inmates. I'm well aware jails give out razors to shave. This article was written as if they just gave the inmate a razor blade (not one to shave with just a plain razor blade) and the inmate claimed the guards told him to kill himself. You still obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say. I also don't think you're being a bitch, you just don't get what I'm trying to say. It happens
 
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