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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ld-sexual-consent-guidelines-provoke-backlash
Sexually abused children as young as 12 could still be refused compensation by a government body on the grounds that they “consented,” under revised rules seen by the Guardian.

The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) began a review of its guidelines earlier this year when it emerged that almost 700 child victims had been denied payments, even in cases where the attacker had been jailed.

The rules were criticised by charities including Barnardo’s and Victim Support, as well as survivors and MPs who criticised them as “victim blaming”. It is illegal to have sexual activity with anyone under 16 but the CICA does not automatically make payments to all victims.

David Lidington, the justice secretary, told MPs last week that the rules would be changed so that victims of child-grooming rings would no longer be refused compensation as happened with some survivors.

However CICA’s revised guidance states that victims of child sexual abuse can still be disqualified from the scheme on the basis that “consent ‘in fact’ is different from consent ‘in law’.”

Even in cases involving children it says that “where the sexual activity is truly of the applicant’s free will no crime of violence will have occurred”.

Sammy Woodhouse, one of the most prominent survivors of the Rotherhamgrooming scandal, described the revised guidance as “absolutely disgusting … I’m outraged and I definitely won’t believe in this. I’m going to continue to campaign and I’m going to ring David Lidington tomorrow,” she said.
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“It’s making it very clear that there are civil servants making subjective judgments and this guidance is not working on the assumption that both the judge and the child is telling the truth.

“It’s working on the assumption that it’s unlikely that a crime of violence happened and these are all the things you need to bear in mind when you’re validating that assumption. It’s entirely the wrong way round.”

It emerged last week that Woodhouse, whose evidence in court helped convict one of the most notorious Rotherham grooming ringleaders, was initially refused compensation when the CICA concluded that she consented and was not manipulated.

The government body told her: “I am not satisfied that your consent was falsely given as a result of being groomed by the offender. The evidence does not indicate that you were manipulated or progressively lured into a false relationship.”

When Woodhouse appealed against the decision she was offered a small settlement, which was eventually altered and she was awarded the maximum amount.
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Lidington, the justice secretary, told MPs in the Commons last week that the new rules would “make sure that there is no risk that a child could be disqualified from compensation because they had given consent when that consent had, in effect, been forced from them by a subtle process of grooming”.

But Champion said the draft revised guidelines, which have been shared with a small number of sexual abuse charities, undermined Lidington’s promise.

They state: “The legal age of consent is 16. It is a criminal offence for a person to engage in sexual activity with someone under 13 regardless of the circumstances, and to engage in sexual activity with someone aged 13 to 16 unless certain narrow defences apply. Normally, where such a criminal offence has been committed, the child will be the victim of a crime of violence and therefore eligible for compensation under Annex B.

“However, consent ‘in fact’ is different from consent ‘in law’. The scheme recognises that there may be situations where a person aged under 16 has ‘in fact’ consented to sexual activity. Where the sexual activity is truly of the applicant’s free will no crime of violence will have occurred.”

It continues: “Such cases will be rare where an adult engages in sexual conduct with a child. There can only be consent ‘in fact’ where you are satisfied that consent was freely and voluntarily given. Even if it appears that the minor expressed consent to the acts in question, the surrounding circumstances may indicate that the situation was abusive and the consent was not true consent.”

The guidance also states that children under 12 could also be found to have consented to sexual activity.

It says: “Where the child was 12 or under when the incident happened, we will presume that the child did not consent in fact unless the evidence to the contrary is very clear. For example, where the incident involves children aged 12 or under who, on the evidence, both appear to have agreed to engage in sexual experimentation with each other, it is unlikely that a crime of violence will have occurred.”
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David Greenwood, the solicitor who has acted for a number of Rotherham grooming victims, backed Champion’s call for the Ministry of Justice to intervene. “I am deeply disappointed that the CICA still think it is acceptable to refuse to compensate boys and girls who have been sexually abused on the basis that they consented,” he said.

“The very fact that the police have been involved in these cases suggest there was a lack of consent. The fact that survivors bring their cases to the CICA suggests they didn’t consent. Someone from the Ministry of Justice must step in to amend the rules on consent.”

A CICA spokesperson said: “Child sexual abuse is abhorrent. Our guidelines are designed to make sure that controlling and abusive behaviour is taken into account when handling compensation applications. We want to be sure that we never get these decisions wrong. That’s why we are reviewing our staff guidance to make sure that we identify every instance where grooming could be a factor. We are actively engaging victim support groups and relevant charities to make sure the revised guidance is as robust as it possibly can be.”
 
This law is incredibly demeaning to the victims ... trauma is a wound to the body, mind, or spirit. Secrets and coercion leaves a mark. Children navigating this kind of trauma need support ... lots of time it doesn't come from what becomes a fractured family, so any financial reward in the hands of a trustee would be a great benefit to lots of these kids.

Having sex with the room is the new norm for twelve year olds ... some record it. So twelve year olds as sexual beings is right to be considered ... But the article also mentions Sexual Violence and its good to recognise that one is more harmful than the other. In all of this permissiveness ... its good that that distinction is still being made.
 
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What the fuck is wrong with the UK???

So if you can give consent at say 12, then let them drive, and drink and do everything else they can do when they are older. Let them get jobs!

Fuck this!
 
What the fuck is wrong with the UK???

So if you can give consent at say 12, then let them drive, and drink and do everything else they can do when they are older. Let them get jobs! Fuck this!

I like this ... twelve year olds should being doing their homework, working on themselves, by being a good citizen at home, at school, and in their communities ... grow up, and not or instead of being pre-occupied with sex.
 
I had to snip this paragraph from the Sammy Woodhouse portion of the article. Just so you know exactly how hard that slap in the face to the victim really was.
Her abuser, Arshid Hussain, was last year jailed for 35 years along with his brothers after being convicted of multiple offences including rape, abduction and indecent assault. The gang of three brothers, their uncle and two women were found guilty of 55 serious offences, some of which lay undetected for almost 20 years.
 
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