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Oberle

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I sure hope LE listens to mom. This guy is seriously messed up.

Even his own mother wants him locked up.

Daniel Spain, of Spokane, Wash., was escorted to police by his mom, who told cops he had hopes of becoming a serial killer.

She turned him over to officers after seeing his photo on the nightly news, accompanying a story about a suspect wanted for the stabbing of a woman in downtown Spokane.

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Spain, in an interview with KXLY-TV at the Spokane County Jail, said he had multiple personality disorder one of his angry selves likes to hurt women.

He showed authorities where he had ditched the handle of a knife after attacking a young woman, police said.

The woman though she had been smacked in the back, but when she met friends at a nearby bar, they discovered a blade imbedded 5 inches into her back.

Spain was charged Friday with first-degree assault. His bail was set at $100,000.

"It's come to our attention through detective(s) and Mr. Spain's mother, that Mr. Spain is, uh, well, his goal is to become a serial killer," Spokane Deputy Prosecutor Kyle Treece said, the station reported.

source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wash-mom-turns-son-serial-killer-article-1.2106849
 
GO MOM! Even without mom, he meets criteria for involuntary commitment to an inpatient psychiatric facility for eval. and stabilization in all 50 states. Now, *that's* a mom who not only loves her kid, she has her priorities in order, IMO.
 
They can't really do anything about it, though. He'll serve his time for this crime, but unless something happens in the pen, he'll get out and go on to do something else. And, only charged with first-degree assault instead of attempted murder... that won't be too long from now.

Hopefully he's given access to some therapy while he's in.
 
They can't really do anything about it, though. He'll serve his time for this crime, but unless something happens in the pen, he'll get out and go on to do something else. And, only charged with first-degree assault instead of attempted murder... that won't be too long from now.

Hopefully he's given access to some therapy while he's in.

Even though he's charged and in jail, his atty *should* be able to petition the court for an Involuntary Comm. at his arraignment, that is if his atty thinks he's nuts and will do it. If the judge grants his motion, he'll go to an inpatient eval center first, before he serves his time. If they keep him b/c they think he's nuts, he'll be credited with whatever time he serves in the state security hospital facility.

But, even though he does meet criteria for Invol. Comm., he may not be nuts at all and as you say, he'll just go into the system like anyone else. Personally, I'm not convinced he's truly MPD, which is technically now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder. Not a real common diagnosis and pretty controversial.
 
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Crikey, with that pouty face, if he was bigger and taller, had a blue faux hawk and a goofy hipster beard with no 'stache, he'd look like my son-in-law, lol. :nailbiting:
 
Even though he's charged and in jail, his atty *should* be able to petition the court for an Involuntary Comm. at his arraignment, that is if his atty thinks he's nuts and will do it. If the judge grants his motion, he'll go to an inpatient eval center first, before he serves his time. If they keep him b/c they think he's nuts, he'll be credited with whatever time he serves in the state security hospital facility.

But, even though he does meet criteria for Invol. Comm., he may not be nuts at all and as you say, he'll just go into the system like anyone else. Personally, I'm not convinced he's truly MPD, which is technically now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder. Not a real common diagnosis and pretty controversial.

I agree that the psychological community is still very unsure that Dissociative Identity Disorder exists, and I'm in the doubtful category. I'm even less inclined to lend it credence when it's an apparent self-diagnosis.
 
That split personality nonsense is a load of bullshit, absolutely no fucking doubt about it. Any pyschologist who takes it seriously or studies it seriously is just out to make a buck.
 
So you don't believe it's possible that something so monumentally horrific can happen, especially to a child, that they develop another self to deal with it?

I myself don't have all the answers to some of these things, but I DO feel certain much of what passes for "mental illness" nowadays is really an excuse for those raised without the concept of personal responsibility.

If that 30-something still living at home with mom & dad doesn't want to get a job, he's diagnosed with agoraphobia or something, when in fact he's just a lazy ass.

If that 12 year old has trouble "concentrating" in school, he's diagnosed with ADHD when, in fact, his parents just never instilled the discipline to LISTEN to others and DO as you're told.

I had a girlfriend who supposedly suffered from "anxiety" and received meds & social security payments because she couldn't leave the house and go to work. Funny, she was able to leave the house to go shopping...she had no problem going to lunch with her friends...she would even volunteer at her daughter's school...but dang, that "work" thing was just too much for her and caused anxiety. BULLSHIT. She was another lazy motherfucker trying to scam the rest of us for her personal comfort. Once I figured all this shit out I was done with her.

And before people start crucifying me for "making fun of the mentally ill" or "not understanding the issue" or something, I'm simply taking a hard line too many people are afraid to take nowadays. I myself possess all the attributes of ADHD, but I haven't let it stand in my way because I was raised with a sense of personal responsibility, which makes me work harder than others and strive to overcome in the face of difficulty. If I can do it, anybody else can do it too - they just have to be taught responsibility and discipline from a young age. But there's no money to be made from those qualities; better to brainwash people into thinking they need psych care and/or drugs.

One more reason America has gone to hell.
 
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I'm going to largely agree with @rod2pop.
I am bipolar. I am medicated. I take responsibilities for my own actions.
I do indeed see a large portion of people blaming their mental illness for their actions. Sure, that's part of it, but damn, we still know right from wrong.
 
So you don't believe it's possible that something so monumentally horrific can happen, especially to a child, that they develop another self to deal with it?

I believe such a person can make up some absurd shit like that as a way to cope. But do i think they actually have a no shit, genuine break into an entirely different personality, fuck no, cuz i'm not a fucking idiot.
 
If that 12 year old has trouble "concentrating" in school, he's diagnosed with ADHD when, in fact, his parents just never instilled the discipline to LISTEN to others and DO as you're told.

That one is a tricky one. It's not that parents want to get their kids diagnosed as an excuse, it's almost the exact opposite. Many schools and other organizations want to have kids tested and come back with those diagnoses, they get extra funding for kids who need extra help, even if they don't supply the help. Drug companies give kick backs to those who do the diagnosing. It's a vicious cycle that a lot of normal kids end up being labeled with something they probably don't have.
 
That one is a tricky one. It's not that parents want to get their kids diagnosed as an excuse, it's almost the exact opposite. Many schools and other organizations want to have kids tested and come back with those diagnoses, they get extra funding for kids who need extra help, even if they don't supply the help. Drug companies give kick backs to those who do the diagnosing. It's a vicious cycle that a lot of normal kids end up being labeled with something they probably don't have.

I agree with you. There's alot to this particular issue that can't be addressed in a brief post, I was trying to generalize some possibilities. I'm sure there's genuine mental illness out there...but I think alot is also induced by our sociology as it exists today, to include the mental health "professionals" who think they're discovering new ills when, in fact, the problems stem from behavior (or neglect), found in the home, not necessarily DNA.
 
I agree with you. There's alot to this particular issue that can't be addressed in a brief post, I was trying to generalize some possibilities. I'm sure there's genuine mental illness out there...but I think alot is also induced by our sociology as it exists today, to include the mental health "professionals" who think they're discovering new ills when, in fact, the problems stem from behavior (or neglect), found in the home, not necessarily DNA.
I think society's view on what "normal" behavior is has changed. People are expected to all act exactly the same, like emotionless drones. There was a point that a hyper child was just that, a hyper child, now if they are hyper there must be something wrong with them. Because things are viewed that way it becomes very easy for people to manipulate it to work in their favor. I agree whole heartedly that a lot of people just use it as an excuse, but we also take some blame in allowing it to get to the point that they can.

It's twisted when those who really need help can't get it and those who don't need the help can abuse it.
 
"The woman though she had been smacked in the back, but when she met friends at a nearby bar, they discovered a blade imbedded 5 inches into her back."

So she got stabbed in the ass/back and didn't notice?!? Even with the blade still in her?!? I've never been stabbed but is that normal? I've heard of being shot and not realizing it but stabbed?!
 
I bet this mother was thinking her own life could be in danger if she doesn't get him put somewhere. I cannot imagine living and sleeping in the house as with someone like this. I adopted two children who have severe special needs and are ADHD off the wall. I often hear people say that ADHD is not a real diagnosis and that children are just not disciplined correctly and parents just want an outlet from making them behave. Until you have lived day in and day out with TWO ADHD children one having bipolar, manic depressive problems, reactive attachment disorders, you have no idea what these children and parents go through on a daily basis. I send medications with my children whenever they go to friends houses. One time my son was allowed to go to a beach youth group trip with a church. I called the group leader and informed him he had forgotten medications for the week and I need to hurry up and bring them there before they left. The leader just played it off and said my son was a good kid and he'll be alright because they get along great and not to worry about. Sometimes it's good for them to get off the medications for a week or two so I said OK thinking the group leader might regret this but went along with it. When they got three days into the trip the leader called me and BEGGED me to PLEASE call in three or four pills until they come back. The leader came back and informed me I am an Angel from Heaven sent here from God for a mission of taking care of my son and wanted to know what nerve pills I'm taking to cope with it. I had to remind him that I have my daughter also at home who is three times worse than my son. He admitted he was one of those people who doubted that ADHD and all this other stuff was just nonsense UNTIL HE SPENT A FULL WEEK WITH MY SON. Some people with these issues do grow into adulthood and handle them great and do well and can function properly on the own. Others will always need help and guidance for their entire lives and yet able to support themselves and work. Others will never be able hold down a job or have their own place to live and will always need assistance. Until you have lived with them 24/7 you don't have a clue so be kind and open minded because you never know if one of your children or grandchildren will be one of those unpredictable situations.
 
I've never been stabbed but is that normal? I've heard of being shot and not realizing it but stabbed?!
It does happen. I have a family member who was stabbed in the back while riding his bike and pedaled home thinking he had been punched in the back too, only for his parents to find the knife still in his back.


"It's come to our attention through detective(s) and Mr. Spain's mother, that Mr. Spain is, uh, well, his goal is to become a serial killer," Spokane Deputy Prosecutor Kyle Treece said,
Note to self, tell my boys that this is NOT what I mean when I say they can become whatever they want when they grow up...:wtf:
 
So you don't believe it's possible that something so monumentally horrific can happen, especially to a child, that they develop another self to deal with it?

Bingo! Right on the money. It's a natural hot button diagnosis, largely because most any of us could likely pull it off with a little creative acting over time if we tried. MPD/DID became quite the 'en vogue' diagnosis de jour back when the movie "Sybil" came out, based on the book describing the case history of the real life Sybil Dorsett, Shirley Ardell Mason. This is why I "liked" @JackBurton 's statement. Though I disagree it doesn't exist at all, I do agree the legitimacy of the diagnosis has been all but destroyed in the public eye, and rightly so.

Nearly every psychiatrist, psychologist, LSW in Counseling, and any other MH professional with a Master's degree on up back in the day was clamouring to find themselves a genuine Sybil in their caseloads, 99.5% of them (my stat) creating them themselves from Borderline Personality Disorder and "Manic-Depressives", now known as Bipolar Disorder patients, among others. There were even requests from psychologists and psychiatrists in the Classified Ads section of our newspapers begging MPD's to come into their own personal practices fcs! The number of federal funding grant applications to study these "bona fide MPD" patients hit the roof, and it was all the rage as THE topic of discussion at the Ph.D., Freudian Psychoanalysis level at all the best, trendy coffeehouses and literary circles here in the U.S. and abroad. For those of us who watched this phenomena take place, you'd think it was the Second Coming of Christ in the world of Pop Psychology (oxymoron intended).

For as much of a legitimate, educational awareness tool as Shirley Mason's case history was, it quite nearly destroyed the legitimacy of the diagnosis completely b/c of the fraudulent backlash created by all the people and mental health professionals whose morbid curiosity and fascination with the diagnosis caused them to lose their gd marbles, objectivity and common sense altogether. The Skeptic's Societies had every right in the world at that time to call the entire idea of surviving a childhood so bad it caused the brain to protect the organism (the person themselves/their mind and body) by creating alternative "personalities" (alter egos) to deal with the trauma, a load of complete and utter horseshit.

I absolutely believe, almost to the point I would defend saying, "I know" in one particular case I'm very familiar with in my personal life, that MPD/DID is a legitimate diagnosis. But as @ScarlettHarlot mentioned, I'm also highly skeptical of its diagnosis, and in cases like this one, I tend to be a big naysayer when it pops up as an excuse for criminal behavior when someone gets busted. The "Oh, it was my/his other personality," crap doesn't pass the smell test with me, and none of us are ever privy to the "real deal" when it comes to media stories and court cases, both of which we know can be/are easily manipulated every day. But, again, your statement said it all, IMPO. And my *personal* opinion, based on my own childhood, as a kid whose parental rights were severed and who grew up in the system, and as both an adult and a nurse whose worked in the MH system for yrs., is yep, in comparatively *very* rare cases, it exists. As always, JMO, YMMV. Great response. :)

ETA: BAM. Just caught @Sudonim 's post re: the untold bazillions in Big Business/Big Pharma's bank accts. that has, and continues to impact the legitimacy of certain MH diagnoses. Whatever's "popular", just follow the money trail to see why, in her words, MH diagnoses are "tricky."
 
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That split personality nonsense is a load of bullshit, absolutely no fucking doubt about it. Any pyschologist who takes it seriously or studies it seriously is just out to make a buck.

It exists...regardless of what the quacks call it. Even the victim had some sort of psychotic episode, she made it all the way to her destination with a knife blade stuck in her back And she didn't manage it because she was oblivious, or stupid or drunk, or high on bath salts or because she is Iron man...Her bloody brilliant brain checked out...said fuck this we're going to the bar.
 
Deep breath.

Mental illness is real.
Though it can be largely exploited by criminals and the psychiatric community, it is real.
Do one rotation at a lockdown psych facility and I assure you you will agree with me.
What a lot of people don't realize is psych patients can often be treated worse than people in maximum security prison.
I know. I've seen it.
 
imo the problem is that everyone seems to want to wrap others up in a nice little labeled box. either the professionals who diagnose these things are greedy quacks, all inmates who claim insanity are lying scammers, for example... but the truth is, as always, the assholes have to ruin shit for everyone.
 
I believe that mental illness is different from personality disorders, we all have personality disorders but no excuses for bad behavior.. Mental illness is different and can be horrible. It does exist but people try to use it for their own benefit. oh Hell no!
 
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