Detention Officer , Jacob Allen Vanderzwart Arrested For Inappropriate Contact With A Minor

[China]

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Jacon Allen Vanderzwart, 23, of Covington, was immediately terminated from his employment with NCSO after his arrest.

NCSO responded to a call on Riverbend Dr. by a mother reporting her daughter was raped, according to the incident report. When the officer arrived on the scene, it was determined the minor, being 16 years old, engaged in consensual acts of sexual contact.

As per protocol, the Criminal Investigation Division received the complaint and conducted a thorough investigation, according to an NCSO press release. During a standard forensic interview, the minor disclosed

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Vanderzwart was charged with electronically furnishing pornography to a minor.

http://www.covnews.com/section/1/article/55714/

 

[Forensicwx]

Strike 1. Former prison guard
Strike 2. Pedophile
Strike 3. Possessing child porn

Good luck there Vanderzwart!

 

[Britefutr]

Vandertwat. His head looks like a scrotum. God I want to punch him in the face!

 

[Athena]

Strike 1. Former prison guard
Strike 2. Pedophile
Strike 3. Possessing child porn

Good luck there Vanderzwart!

One of us read this article wrong. I get up at an inhuman hour, so admittedly, it could have been me.

He's not a pedophile, as the girl was 16 and not 6, right? You have to be chronically attracted to prepubescent children to qualify as a pedophile. A 23-year-old being attracted to a 16-year-old is, while inappropriate and illegal, perfectly natural.

And there's no mention of child porn. The charge suggests he sent her porn... images of himself or another adult. If it was child porn, that would have been a specific charge.

The dude is a creep, but the sex was consensual, so I see no reason to vilify him beyond what is accurate.

 

[kennasmom]

A 23-year-old being attracted to a 16-year-old is, while inappropriate and illegal, perfectly natural.

I always think in these kinda stories, what if some cute old couple who had been married for decades and decades told their story and they met when she was 16 and he was 23. I would find it so romantic, but my hypocritical side thinks what if my near 17 year old boy came home with a 23 year old woman? I would flip at how inappropriate the age gap would be. I am always a little torn on these kinda cases.

 

[Forensicwx]

One of us read this article wrong. I get up at an inhuman hour, so admittedly, it could have been me.

He's not a pedophile, as the girl was 16 and not 6, right? You have to be chronically attracted to prepubescent children to qualify as a pedophile. A 23-year-old being attracted to a 16-year-old is, while inappropriate and illegal, perfectly natural.

And there's no mention of child porn. The charge suggests he sent her porn... images of himself or another adult. If it was child porn, that would have been a specific charge.

The dude is a creep, but the sex was consensual, so I see no reason to vilify him beyond what is accurate.

I work nights as well, so it could've also been me.
The child porn strike I referenced was from the article, saying he sent and RECEIVED inappropriate pictures from her prior to her turning 16. To me, he wouldn't have received his own pics, they would've been shots of her in whatever state of undress. And if she was 15 or younger, I would label that as child porn.
I c the consensual word, but at 15 (or younger) I still would label that as statutory rape.
But that's just me.
Now the pedophile comment, u r correct. I made a jump believing that a man, at 23, dating a 15 yr old, that this probably is not his first go round.

I was 14 and had a very inappropriate relationship, that only now I understand was wrong. Back then I thought I was cool, and that technically was consensual between him and I.

But I c what u r saying.

 

[NoBS]

Strike 3. Possessing child porn

My lady Zoo Keeper, not sure if it was "child porn". It seems to be worded as sexual exploitation of a minor, as in the act of enticing the child; even with soft porn, is still a serious charge.
Now, if he took pic's of the child in a sexual nature, that's 4 strikes in the slammer!
Hopefully even a lethargic jury will home run his ass into an overtime jail stint.

 

[Forensicwx]

My lady Zoo Keeper, not sure if it was "child porn". It seems to be worded as sexual exploitation of a minor, as in the act of enticing the child; even with soft porn, is still a serious charge.
Now, if he took pic's of the child in a sexual nature, that's 4 strikes in the slammer!
Hopefully even a lethargic jury will home run his ass into an overtime jail stint.

Do u not think receiving inappropriate pics from a 15 yo or younger possessing child porn? He received naughty pics from her.
At what age would u set the limit at? Pre-pubescent only?
Just curious.

 

[Athena]

I always think in these kinda stories, what if some cute old couple who had been married for decades and decades told their story and they met when she was 16 and he was 23. I would find it so romantic, but my hypocritical side thinks what if my near 17 year old boy came home with a 23 year old woman? I would flip at how inappropriate the age gap would be. I am always a little torn on these kinda cases.

My grandmother was 16 when she married my 30-year-old grandfather. Not that I would support my child doing so... it's our responsibility to raise our girls to avoid this situation just as strongly as we warn our boys against it.

But, the biological reality of the situation is that we are attracted to one another after pubescence. It is at that time that we are able to procreate, and social rules can only dissuade that so much. Now, beyond that, women are programmed to go after the mate that can best protect and provide. In the majority of cases, that is an older male. Not necessarily substantially older, just... older. It's unusual for women to date down in age, and for good reason. Younger men are not typically better able to provide than their older counterparts. This is not an antiquated perspective; it is a scientific perspective. I would be more concerned about a 23-year-old woman with my 16-year-old son than if the genders were reversed. She wants to procreate. He can't provide yet. He's still under my protection, so that's out, too. That is a substantially more unnatural situation than the reverse, and it is my hypothesis that this is why we see a disproportionate high rate of abuse articles that involve an older woman with a younger male. That's not to say it can't work; only that it usually doesn't.

This guy fucked up. But he doesn't need to be labeled a sex offender or pedophile anymore than my 19-year-old boyfriend when I was 14 does. Ran into him today, incidentally. Still don't feel victimized.

 

[Athena]

At what age would u set the limit at? Pre-pubescent only?

I know you didn't ask me but, let's be real... when you hear the term "child porn", you're not thinking about a 16-year-old. In fact, if this young lady had brutally attacked a friend of hers, most of our commenters would support her being charged as an adult. I reject the very use of the world "child" being used in an association with her. She is a minor, and possessing pictures of someone that age is and should be wrong. But "child porn"? Absolutely not. Prepubescent. Those are society's "children".

 

[China]

I would be more concerned about a 23-year-old woman with my 16-year-old son than if the genders were reversed. She wants to procreate. He can't provide yet. He's still under my protection, so that's out, too.

I think it goes both ways, teenage girls aren't emotionally ready to have a child. I know it happens every day and most kids make it out ok, including mine, he was born when i was 17. My son's father is 4 years older than me and he most certainly couldn't provide, and 18 years later still can't provide.

If that 16 yr old were to have gotten pregnant,who picks up the tab? The dad doesn't have to pay for CS until the baby is born, it falls on the parents to get her to her OB appts and everything else a pregnant woman needs before baby gets here.

 

[kennasmom]

I think it goes both ways,

To be fair I use my son as my example because he is 17, my daughter is 4 and If I were to imagine her at 16 bringing home a 23 year old my fury would be uncontrollable lol.

 

[NoBS]

Do u not think receiving inappropriate pics from a 15 yo or younger possessing child porn? He received naughty pics from her.
At what age would u set the limit at? Pre-pubescent only?
Just curious.

Wait a minute, the pics were of the child?
Then why was child porn not included in the charge?
The fact that a minor sent it is NOT the issue, just that an adult was in possession.
I believe he was grooming her, if he would have waited 2 years, then this would not be an issue.
(edit) Note to self, read the link before posting.
She was 15 years old when the picture was taken, a possession of child porn charge is appropriate.

 

[Forensicwx]

My grandmother was 16 when she married my 30-year-old grandfather. Not that I would support my child doing so... it's our responsibility to raise our girls to avoid this situation just as strongly as we warn our boys against it.

But, the biological reality of the situation is that we are attracted to one another after pubescence. It is at that time that we are able to procreate, and social rules can only dissuade that so much. Now, beyond that, women are programmed to go after the mate that can best protect and provide. In the majority of cases, that is an older male. Not necessarily substantially older, just... older. It's unusual for women to date down in age, and for good reason. Younger men are not typically better able to provide than their older counterparts. This is not an antiquated perspective; it is a scientific perspective. I would be more concerned about a 23-year-old woman with my 16-year-old son than if the genders were reversed. She wants to procreate. He can't provide yet. He's still under my protection, so that's out, too. That is a substantially more unnatural situation than the reverse, and it is my hypothesis that this is why we see a disproportionate high rate of abuse articles that involve an older woman with a younger male. That's not to say it can't work; only that it usually doesn't.

This guy fucked up. But he doesn't need to be labeled a sex offender or pedophile anymore than my 19-year-old boyfriend when I was 14 does. Ran into him today, incidentally. Still don't feel victimized.

U make a good point. However, my experience of being 14 and involved with a 29 yo, years later, yeah I do feel victimized. Is it b/c ur friend was only 19? Who knows. But that doesn't mean that every 14 yo involved with an older man doesn't later turn out to feel victimized (which btw, I'm glad u didn't). I did. I do. But my underdeveloped brain at the time didn't realize what was going on. He was a trusted family friend.

I think that's y the laws r in place. The adult I was with should've been prosecuted, but I was too embarrassed at the time to tell anyone what had gone on. I felt like I was at fault. Like I was a slut, and so I kept my mouth shut.

This one's a double edged sword, IMHO.

 

[Athena]

I think it goes both ways, teenage girls aren't emotionally ready to have a child. I know it happens every day and most kids make it out ok, including mine, he was born when i was 17. My son's father is 4 years older than me and he most certainly couldn't provide, and 18 years later still can't provide.

If that 16 yr old were to have gotten pregnant,who picks up the tab? The dad doesn't have to pay for CS until the baby is born, it falls on the parents to get her to her OB appts and everything else a pregnant woman needs before baby gets here.

Agreed. It does go both ways. That's why I said that, as parents, it's our responsibility to warn our daughters against it just as much as we warn our sons. Statistics suggest that we're making progress. They also tell us we're not there, yet.

You mention that 18 years later, he still can't provide. Your situation would have been the same regardless, would it not have?

Admittedly, I speak from a position of "righteousness". My husband and I have been together since I was 17 and he was 19. We were together for a decade before we had a child. Married the same year. But I have friends and family who have had children by both a disturbingly older individual and someone their own age. The result is the same. I agree with these laws existing (to one degree or another, something I can go into detail about another time). I disagree with certain people being labeled as predators simply because of age. Let the details of the crime determine whether or not that label is warranted. In this situation, things are said to be consensual.

 

[Athena]

U make a good point. However, my experience of being 14 and involved with a 29 yo, years later, yeah I do feel victimized. Is it b/c ur friend was only 19? Who knows. But that doesn't mean that every 14 yo involved with an older man doesn't later turn out to feel victimized (which btw, I'm glad u didn't). I did. I do. But my underdeveloped brain at the time didn't realize what was going on. He was a trusted family friend.

I think that's y the laws r in place. The adult I was with should've been prosecuted, but I was too embarrassed at the time to tell anyone what had gone on. I felt like I was at fault. Like I was a slut, and so I kept my mouth shut.

This one's a double edged sword, IMHO.

No, it's not because my boyfriend was "only" 19. It's because I was making informed decisions, and at no point was I taken advantage of.

That's the point I guess I'm trying to make, here. Age alone does not determine whether or not someone was victimized assuming they are both of post-pubescent age. There are plenty of factors at play. These cases should be examined, of course. But our policy of automatically labeling the older individual a predator is a poor one. Should it be illegal? Yeah, for all the reasons mentioned. But not everyone needs to be labeled a pedophile and thrown in prison.

 

[kennasmom]

I have not said anything before because I don't want it "used against me", but fuck it, it is what it is. My hubby had his first son when he was 19 and mom was 15 when she got pregnant and 16 when she gave birth, They were in high school, they ages were different but not their place in life at that time.
When she gave birth she left the hospital without saying a word (cops were called it was a big thing) so my husband left the hospital with the baby alone and 16 years he still has him.
When his son was 6 months old (following a phone conversation with the mother) cops show up and arrest my husband, he was in jail 6 months and while he was there his parents took care of the baby.
So my husband has a sexual criminal misdemeanor on his record, thank God he is not a registered sex offender but he is sex offender and that will pop up on his record forever, a fact that got him fired yesterday actually, he lied on his app because I told him to try it since he has had no luck with the truth and they found out.
So I have issue now and then with someone so young getting in trouble...Like I said though my husband and his girlfriend were at the same place as far as life experience goes and I do believe that that should be a factor, and the guy in the article was definitely at a different pace in life than the 16 year old.

 

[Athena]

I have not said anything before because I don't want it "used against me", but fuck it, it is what it is. My hubby had his first son when he was 19 and mom was 15 when she got pregnant and 16 when she gave birth, They were in high school, they ages were different but not their place in life at that time.
When she gave birth she left the hospital without saying a word (cops were called it was a big thing) so my husband left the hospital with the baby alone and 16 years he still has him.
When his son was 6 months old (following a phone conversation with the mother) cops show up and arrest my husband, he was in jail 6 months and while he was there his parents took care of the baby.
So my husband has a sexual criminal misdemeanor on his record, thank God he is not a registered sex offender but he is sex offender and that will pop up on his record forever, a fact that got him fired yesterday actually, he lied on his app because I told him to try it since he has had no luck with the truth and they found out.
So I have issue now and then with someone so young getting in trouble...Like I said though my husband and his girlfriend were at the same place as far as life experience goes and I do believe that that should be a factor, and the guy in the article was definitely at a different pace in life than the 16 year old.

Don't anyone DARE use this against you.

My only question... can we really say a 16-year-old and a 23-year-old are at such different places in life? We're talking about the difference between four years and six. Brain doesn't stop developing until 25. No one pubescent is all that far apart until then.

Dude fucked up. But there's no evidence that he's a predator.

 

[kennasmom]

Don't anyone DARE use this against you.
My only question... can we really say a 16-year-old and a 23-year-old are at such different places in life? We're talking about the difference between four years and six. Brain doesn't stop developing until 25. No one pubescent is all that far apart until then.
Dude fucked up. But there's no evidence that he's a predator.

First Ty!
That is where I am so torn I have met many 16 years olds that have more maturity and have had such tough lives that they could school most 23 year olds, and vise versa. It is really a back and forth thing for me. I do know that for myself me and all my friends and family that I grew up with we are so far from who we were at 23 that I would hate to be punished for something I did as basically a whole different person.
Again if I met a couple who had been married for 50 plus years and they met at these same ages I would not think anything of it.
I know if it was my kids I would feel different but if all laws were based how we would feel if our kids did it , well everything would be illegal.