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He's the only one I can vote for.

No way man.

Laws signed by Kasich prohibit almost all abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, mandate ultrasounds before a woman can get an abortion and require abortion clinics to establish formal written agreements with local hospitals about emergency care — a provision that has been repeatedly modified to be even more restrictive and make it harder for clinics to comply. Several other states have enacted similar laws — and the Supreme Court this year will decide how far states can go with such restrictions.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/john-kasich-abortion-2016-campaign-218846#ixzz46NuUOKpE
 
So, what those people don't vote? I mean, like I said before and I will repeat now, Hillary has had millions MORE vote for her than Bernie.

I'm more politically-oriented than the average person, and this year was my first caucus. A very small percentage of total voters vote at the primary/caucus level. So, yes, those people vote, just not quite yet.

Oh and your NRA Lobbyist, is an EX-NRA Lobbyist, just saying...

lol, yes, I'm aware. But I'm not magically no longer a mechanical designer a few months from quitting my job. He had JUST quit, and as far as anyone could tell, not for moral reasons. :p

One more thing, Bernie supporters seem to mention his unwavering record as a point of pride. I see that as stubborn and an unwillingness to grow and evolve. Hillary has changed her mind on things, just like any normal human being.

Stubborn? That's just silly. It's not considered to be stubbornness when you're right. Hillary's finally come around to positions he's held the entire time, because it's proven to be political necessity. She held out against gay marriage as long as she possibly could. She's still holding out on marijuana legalization. That will change, too, once a few more states go that route. She has stated repeatedly being "proud of [her] Republican roots". It's not that her mind has changed, it's that her publicly-held positions have changed in order to continue calling herself a Democrat as the party moves left.

And that's not just like any normal human being. That's textbook politicking. In fact, the only thing about that behavior that's worthy of respect is that she does hold out as long as the does, because that's the real part.

Everybody wants a candidate who is real. That's not enough, though. Bernie is real. He means what he says. Unfortunately, what he says is wrong. His fiscal ideas are outrageous, and he won't get a single one of them past congress.

I'm not sure "outrageous" is accurate. In Europe, Bernie would be center-right, politically. More dramatic versions of his ideas have been successfully implemented in Europe for decades. You may find them disagreeable, but they're totally doable. People thought FDR was being pretty out there, too, but he did it, and it helped this country immensely. These days, the New Deal isn't even remotely shocking.

That said, I know that he won't get that stuff through congress. Not why I want him in office anyway. I want him in office because he's the only person in the race who will not invade Syria. He has already put forth a bill to end the federal prohibition on marijuana. The money we would save on a federal level no longer pursuing that is HUGE. He's also put forth a bill to allow marijuana retailers to do business with banks who have been essentially prohibited by federal law from doing business with them... great for the free market. He'd like to cut Snowden some slack and slash surveillance on citizens.

Both Ron Paul and Charles Koch have publicly praised Bernie's libertarian streak. I fully support a vote for Gary Johnson (and only Gary Johnson - McAfee and Peterson are fucking jokes, and it makes me angry that they're doing damage to the party by putting themselves forth as legitimate candidates), having supported him during the last election cycle, and Ron Paul before that.

But, I'm supporting Bernie for libertarian reasons, and he's the only viable horse cart to place those libertarian apples in right now.

If Bernie doesn't get the nomination, I'll probably vote for Johnson because I won't be the reason Hillary loses if I do (I'm in a very blue state).
 
Laws signed by Kasich prohibit almost all abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, mandate ultrasounds before a woman can get an abortion and require abortion clinics to establish formal written agreements with local hospitals about emergency care — a provision that has been repeatedly modified to be even more restrictive and make it harder for clinics to comply. Several other states have enacted similar laws — and the Supreme Court this year will decide how far states can go with such restrictions.

I disagree with him on that and on other things. There will never, ever be a candidate with whom I agree 100%. I can't vote for the person I love the most. It's gotta be the one I hate the least.

I want him in office because he's the only person in the race who will not invade Syria. He has already put forth a bill to end the federal prohibition on marijuana.

Syria is a tough one. We shouldn't have been in that region in the first place, but that genie is already out of the bottle. Bernie's bill to end marijuana prohibition is going to fail, and he knows it. It was just for show.

I'm with you on Johnson, though. He's obviously not going to win, but I predict that this will be a huge year for Libertarians. I may vote for him myself if it comes down to Trump and Clinton.
 
Well guys, Trump is the GOP Nom. I can't fucking believe it. I am quite embarrassed by our country right now. But man oh man are the next 6 months going to be something.
 
Pretty much everyone I've talked to today (myself included, although I wasn't talking to myself) has been talking about buying guns today.

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Pretty much everyone I've talked to today (myself included, although I wasn't talking to myself) has been talking about buying guns today.


Not me man. Fuck all that. We are not there yet. What is the fear that drives you and the people you have spoken to - to buy guns?
 
Not me man. Fuck all that. We are not there yet. What is the fear that drives you and the people you have spoken to - to buy guns?

It's mostly in jest, the PNW liberal version of Republicans stocking up on guns when Obama won the nomination.

But, Trump's success has emboldened some ugliness. I got a letter home from school about a month ago discussing a dramatic uptick in bigoted teasing on the playground, asking parents to be mindful about what they're teaching their children politically. The insinuation was definitely that the children of Trump fans had started terrorizing other students.

A lot of my racial minority friends online have suggested they have quit dragging their feet on long-standing desires to purchase a gun or apply for a concealed-carry licenses.
 
The insinuation was definitely that the children of Trump fans had started terrorizing other students.

Thank god my kid doesn't go to a school with nary a trump supporter parent. In fact she tells me about all the songs they made up about how dumb he is and racist and sexist, oh and his stupid hair.

On the other hand, my boss - who's wife is an elementary school teacher in the suburbs told him one of the black kids in her class was crying because she was afraid if Trump becomes president she'll be kicked out of the country.

I remember being a kid during the Bush/Dukakis election and kids saying Dukakis was made out of Dookie, and me telling them Bush was a beer! Ahhhh the "good ol days."
 
It's not just kids that bully each other... happens almost daily around this place too.


LMAO! You mean D'D or your place of employment? Are you a Trump supporter? I don't feel like looking back through the thread, but I know a while back I thought you were a dick - that might explain it. :p
 
@Buffettgirl my best friend is a republican and a police officer, she is certainly not a heartless racist with the soul of an iceberg. She just hates poor people and women. We don't discuss politics, except in jest. I am glad to hear you do not like Trump, I figured since you disliked and disagreed with my above posts you did.

Anyway, what are you going to do in November? Stay home?
 
I guess it's OK now for our public schools to be allowing kids to bully with songs that detail how much one half of this country is "wrong"? I don't get that.


Ahhh you left out the part where I the same things happening when I was a kid. So, it's not new and I vehemently disagree that kids shouldn't be discussing politics at school. Sure, they may be parroting their parents (at a young age) but for them to be interested and learning, shit - I love that. I bring my kid in the booth with me every time I vote.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make by saying I was glad my kid doesn't go to a school where there any Trump supporters vs. the kid in the suburbs where there are his supporters.

Maybe if so much of the former wasn't happening the latter wouldn't have happened at all? Just a thought...

I see what you are saying here, but I really do believe Trump to be a racist and horribly sexist. I find it a relief to know my neighbors feel the same way.
 
think it would be better for her to be in a setting where she has to learn to allow for other people to believe differently regarding politics, rather than in an environment where everyone thinks the same thing about everything.

Like I said, my best friend is a republican cop, she also has a 10yr old daughter, my kid gets other exposure. And hey, I have even told her most republicans aren't really evil.
 
Does Republican = Conservative? I'm not so sure
Are all Democrats fiscal conservatives? Socialist? Communist? Hell no! I can tell you that OWS had some hard core Anarchist. You know the ones, no government types. Fuck all cops and the crappy laws they enforce activist. They morphed into BLM and SJW militants.
The best part? Anarchist are Right Wing extremist. No government, or anti government dogma is Right wing extreme, if the political spectrum is kept to formal definitions.
Yet the fools still demand entitlement, and sure as shit they sprout Karl Marx as the savior of all ills.
Thing is, limited Government is a moderate right wing ideology, untill the last few decades. Which is what the Good Old Party (GOP) defined as conservative in my day. Libertarian was RIGHT of that. (less government, less welfare than...) Left of that is neocon Republican, then left of that is moderate Republican, where bloated government can stay, but not grow. Then left of that is a new "socially conscious" Republican (GOPe), big government, bureaucracy and corruption is based on social engineering at the time. Then you have the moderate democrats, welfare is a right. So is the graft and corruption from abuse and conflict of interest. The left requires submission to Government for success. The right values personal civic duty to remain solvent.
It's more complicated than this, like a fascist government, which is supposed to be right wing. As if limited government can have public servants seize minority banks and industry. Yet in the 40's, it was a made up name to separate the Italian socialist from the German's socialist party to make the Italians sound a little better, ha! (Blame the Mob, seriously) Yet the fact is, other than a centralized government (hard left), you need a Police State to implement Fascist government.
Why is limited government so evil to the left? Well, it's too much work and entitlement is too fucking easy not to redistribute.
Marxism is a perfect political system. It is rational and logical. Problem is, humans are anything but. If we breed all emotion out of humanity, then the collective work farms will succeed and Communism will rule.
 
Well guys, Trump is the GOP Nom. I can't fucking believe it. I am quite embarrassed by our country right now. But man oh man are the next 6 months going to be something.
Whaaaaaat??????
Seriously?


Oh well, there's plenty of room in Canada for you guys if you need to get away!
And........ Our Prime Minister is handsome.. :)
 
Yes, many republicans are defecting.

“I would rather have Republicans lose 1,000 presidential elections than have that disgusting, vile man represent the Republican Party to America and America to the world,” Josh Amato, a former state GOP spokesman who worked on the Kasich campaign, said in a post on Facebook.

Mary Strow, a longtime Republican operative, called the GOP predicament “a real ‘oy vey’ situation,” adding, “I’ll probably just write in John Kasich as a protest. And brace myself for the horror of a Hillary Clinton presidency.”

Source.

Your girl's finally going to get her shot. Better the devil you know, and all that...
 
Your girl's finally going to get her shot.


I am pretty excited but - I wish it wasn't because her opponent is so vile. I still think there is a chance that Trump will somehow not be the nominee... sudden illness, change of heart, riot at the convention. etc.
 
I am pretty excited but - I wish it wasn't because her opponent is so vile. I still think there is a chance that Trump will somehow not be the nominee... sudden illness, change of heart, riot at the convention. etc.

The Republicans are between a rock and a hard spot. Trump means potentially irreversible damage to the party. But even a riot at the convention... They can't simply vote no confidence and select someone else. I mean, they could... but there's not enough support that exists for any one soul within the Republican party, so that candidate would be impotent.

Trump will be the nominee, and hopefully, enough of them abstain from voting or support Hillary that it overcomes his support among the Great Unwashed.

I'll be lighting a candle on election day.
 
I'll be lighting a candle on election day.


I think a lot of people will.

I am honestly terrified that he *could* become the president. I never felt that way before and I have been involved in politics long before I could even vote (thanks mom) I am equally horrified that there are so many people in this country that have actually voted for him.
 
Unbelievable!! Unbelievable that a orange haired, knuckle dragging, orangutan is the presumptive republican nominee for the office of the President Of The United States Of America.

Talk about pissing away integrity.
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I am intending this with absolutely no snark, but I believe it just has to be said...

You do realize that 49% of this country felt exactly this same way 8 and 4 years ago, right? And that it wasn't based on the color of the man's skin but on his glaring lack of experience and his very liberal ideologies? And that those 49% are now feeling even more terrified of more of the same? And that those 49% cannot comprehend voting for either Bernie with his Utopian ideas or for a woman that, as far as the 49% are concerned, displays a staggering lack of integrity? What you feel now, we have been living with for 8 years already. I wouldn't be surprised if, despite what the media says, the 49% show up and vote in numbers not recently seen and pull off a victory. They have been thoroughly disregarded for almost a decade now and I sense that they're getting mighty damn tired of it...

No, BG. Not exactly THIS same way. Not even remotely close to THIS same way.

Every election cycle, members of each party fear the effect the other will have on the nation if elected. THIS election cycle, both parties are absolutely terrified by the effect this man could have on the nation (and the world). Did you catch the quote from the former GOP spokesman I posted?

And, for the record, only about 60% of Americans even bother to identify as either liberal or conservative. About 40% honestly don't care enough.
 
And that those 49% are now feeling even more terrified of more of the same?


49% numbers from - but I assure this is not the same as in the past. Of course the republicans weren't thrilled with Obama, but you now have many prominent republican figures vowing to either stay home, or even vote for Hillary. I wasn't happy with the Bush administration, but I was not terrified of it, and it sent me to war.

I am terrified of what would happen if we allowed Trump to become our president.

for a woman that, as far as the 49% are concerned, displays a staggering lack of integrity?

Again, there's that 49%... Staggering lack of integrity is laughable to me, are you comparing her to Trump right now, or just any other person on earth? Integrity would be not allowing a party bias to get in the way of stopping a bigoted racist from becoming the leader of the free world.
 
That's kind of presumptive isn't it? Considering you haven't mentioned supporting conservatives/Republicans in any of your past posts, I feel safe in saying you don't know how we felt then or now.

Where have you been? Ron Paul was a Republican representative for Texas and ran on the Republican ticket for President in '08 and 2012. Gary Johnson was the Republican Governor of New Mexico, who happened to run on the Libertarian ticket in 2012. I volunteered for Ron Paul's campaign in '08 and Johnson's in 2012. I've been to dozens of Republican fundraisers, during the election cycles you specifically referenced, for both national candidates and local ones.

...and I was posting about it with regularity during those election cycles.

So, either I've got more conservative cred than you because you weren't even aware those two mainstream guys were Republicans, or you haven't been paying enough attention to me to feel safe about any of your observations.

No, BG. The fear of your standard election cycle does not even begin to compare to what's going on currently. I was in it then, and I'm in it now. It's just not the same.
 
however he isn't connected to countless POLITICAL scandals ranging over the course of decades.

Nope, no political scandals for him, just personal ones, he doesn't believe you can rape your wife.
He thinks Mexicans are rapists though, so I guess they must not be married.

He thinks we should "identify" all the Muslims in the country, you know like Hitler did to the Jews?

He's a big mouthed fool, she's a calculating cold Blooded snake who gives less than a shit about "the little people" and finds them quite disposable.

You know she has the minority vote by a landslide, right? You think Trump gives a crap about little people? Really, DONALD TRUMP?!

First Lady Hilary Clinton ended up being the White House ally and inside player who worked with Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch to create the SCHIP program in Clinton's second term, which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income children.

She made gender equality a priority of U.S. foreign policy. And she created the ambassador at large for global women’s issues, a post charged with integrating gender throughout the State Department.

As a Senator, she worked across the aisle to provide full military health benefits to reservists and National Guard members.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-debate-hillary-clintons-greatest-accomplishment-213157#ixzz47o4YbO5s
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I could post a hundred more links to different things she (and yes Sanders too) has done, believe me it's a shit ton more than Trump ever has. Trump just wants to be in the spotlight. He doesn't know the first thing about how to do anything in the government and that is NOT GOOD.

He should have started small, Senator, Mayor, Governor, something to get his feet wet but no, here we are debating the possible outcome of a presidency led by a man with absolutely NO EXPERIENCE whatsoever. That is scares democrats, not just "another republican".
 
Love you BG but I think the majority are responding not from a sense of superiority but from a place of fear of what havoc Donald Trump most assuredly would stir if his butt is ever planted in the chair behind the desk in the oval office. Hell, the republican party aren't even hesitant in expressing some of those fears.
 
~@Buffetgirl~ You know I was raised in a strictly DEM household but can honestly say that I have swung both ways when casting my ballot. Hillary leaves me more than a little cold as a candidate and sure knows how to step in shit that has trailed behind her. Personally I had so hoped that Joe Biden had been in it to win it as he is someone I could at the very least respect their record. He is someone who has always presented as wanting the best for this country and the people encompassed within it and had the experience and finesse of knowing how to cross the aisle to get a deal done. Sadly a lost art in Washington DC.
 
nor do I see him as being worse than I think Hillary would be is all I am saying.

I really don't understand how you can say that as a true republican. I mean conservatives are supposed to be all about small government and it seems to me that Trump is nothing like that.

I mean, just reading his position on immigration it seems like all he wants to do is get the feds involved with state issues even more and make federal agencies bigger. What's even more telling is he only has "positions" on 7 items, as if that's all you need to run our country. I guess he didn't want to put "punish women who have abortions" on there.
 
Because Hillary and Barack have been all about reducing the size of government?

I don't claim them to be, I am just pointing out that Trump sure isn't either, and that is not what his party is all about. At least Obama and Clinton and Sanders want big government to help people. Not lock them up and deport them.
 
~Marta Hari~ Shush now, your supposed to just go by blind faith that everything is going to be beautiful, just beautiful, you'll see. Take the Donald's word for it. He is going to build that wall in his first 100 days of taking office and Mexico is still going to pay for it. Of course pigs are flying these days so don't be remiss and forget your umbrella. :p
 
Like I said months ago, Bernie had no chance... no one did. This was Hilary's from the beginning. However, I am still holding out that she gets Spiro Agnew'ed or some shit. Then I can enjoy the daily salt from Trump haters crying on Facebook with unfunny memes. and the catch gleam in every late night talk show host's eye as they deliver their monologues while realizing their jobs are safe for at least another four years. :p
 
Why is that so damn wrong?


I never it was wrong, I just disagree. Also, you know the children who are born here, are citizens, right? They are the only ones who receive benefits and many undocumented workers pay taxes and never receive any benefits in exchange.

Do you know what percentage of your tax dollars go to welfare? Like barely anything, most goes to Social Security which many illegals contribute to but will never receive.


I am entitled to my beliefs without having a bunch of people come at me guns blazing...

Of course you are, I don't see the blazing guns though.
 
Hey! Whoa! Got here in 2013... I said I didn't recall and the divisiveness of this thread means I haven't read every single post because it sucks how superior some people are about how they feel about things and I don't have time for the arrogance (not aimed at you or any particular person, I'm not looking to start anything!). I apologize for not knowing and making statements based only on what I know about you currently. But, I still disagree with you regarding how folks across the country are feeling about Trump vs. Clinton. You go talk to the rancher in Texas, the oil field worker in Oklahoma or the West Virginia farmer, those folks, in my experience, just aren't terrified of a Trump Presidency the way you claim. After 8 years of being mocked and stepped on, they can handle the boorish side of Donald if it means that things will be done more to their liking. I'm NOT saying it's how I feel, I'm saying it's how a great MANY feel. Republicans aren't all rich, old white men who want to keep the dark skinned man/woman down and we're tired of being treated like we are. It may not be making headlines, but it's definitely out there.

Ha! Sorry, BG... You've been a consistent part of the furniture for so long, I thought you'd been here forever.

No, I didn't mean to suggest that everybody was terrified. He wouldn't be the nominee if he were. But - to generalize - his supporters are one of two types. Those who will blindly support the Republican Party, literally, no matter what (seriously, Hitler could come back and appoint himself the nominee after publicly executing Trump, and some would be like, "Okay... It's you, then!"), and those who don't follow politics seriously and get a kick out of the guy.

Unfortunately, that represents a fair amount of voters. But, everyone in between a Heil, Hitler! level of party allegiance and none at all is freaked out.
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Like I said months ago, Bernie had no chance... no one did. This was Hilary's from the beginning. However, I am still holding out that she gets Spiro Agnew'ed or some shit. Then I can enjoy the daily salt from Trump haters crying on Facebook with unfunny memes. and the catch gleam in every late night talk show host's eye as they deliver their monologues while realizing their jobs are safe for at least another four years. :p

A part of me does want to see what happens with a Trump presidency. It's kind of like not wanting to die but wanting to experience a devastating natural disaster. Like, I'd want to play it out in a test environment.

But, China issued a delicate warning not too long ago... and that shit makes me nervous.
 
Buffettgirl said:

My standard of living has declined greatly under the current President


And you think Congress didn't play a role in the decline of your standard of living? Not trying to jump in your shit here Buffetgirl, I respect and value your opinion, apparently more than you can see and appreciate the humor in mine.
 
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