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The colossal fucking train-wreck of a thread aside, aren't red-necked wallabies nocturnal? Why have a nocturnal animal as a therapy animal? Why fuck up something's circadian rhythm so you can 'reduce' your anxiety? Asshole.
 
The colossal fucking train-wreck of a thread aside, aren't red-necked wallabies nocturnal? Why have a nocturnal animal as a therapy animal? Why fuck up something's circadian rhythm so you can 'reduce' your anxiety? Asshole.
Domestic cats are nocturnal, but no one bitches about them. Humans can be nocturnal as well, pretty easily in fact. The only thing that really screws with any animals wellbeing in terms of sleep is not being consistent in sleeping at night or during the day. Which is why working a swing shift is really bad for your health when done prolonged.
 
The colossal fucking train-wreck of a thread aside, aren't red-necked wallabies nocturnal? Why have a nocturnal animal as a therapy animal? Why fuck up something's circadian rhythm so you can 'reduce' your anxiety? Asshole.
kind of fits in with the train wreck, doesn't it;)
 
Domestic cats are nocturnal, but no one bitches about them. Humans can be nocturnal as well, pretty easily in fact. The only thing that really screws with any animals wellbeing in terms of sleep is not being consistent in sleeping at night or during the day. Which is why working a swing shift is really bad for your health when done prolonged.

What a profoundly absurd and uninformed statement. This is precisely the reason I backed away from this particular thread, and shall resume that course.
 
Domestic cats are nocturnal, but no one bitches about them. Humans can be nocturnal as well, pretty easily in fact. The only thing that really screws with any animals wellbeing in terms of sleep is not being consistent in sleeping at night or during the day. Which is why working a swing shift is really bad for your health when done prolonged.

What a profoundly absurd and uninformed statement. This is precisely the reason I backed away from this particular thread, and shall resume that course.

To stand in for @Ponipetary, domestic cats are not nocturnal. Cats are crepuscular animals. Not nocturnal. You could argue they're metaturnal like humans, but certainly not nocturnal.

Crash course in chronobiology for you:

Nocturnal - active at night
Crepuscular - active at twilight ('vespertine' for evening twilight, I don't remember morning)
Diurnal - active at day
Metaturnal - active at any time

Humans are metaturnal due to our adaptability via our intellect. We act diurnal because we're terrible with darkness. It's possible to argue cats are metaturnal as well - but they're definitely crepuscular animals, as their eyes are best evolved for dim light. Not darkness.
 
What a profoundly absurd and uninformed statement. This is precisely the reason I backed away from this particular thread, and shall resume that course.
Well what you just said isn't true. Uninformed I am not on this subject. I almost didn't say anything for fear of someone going into hysterics (thanks for being that person), when I studied it in animals (including people) for years. Dogs are also nocturnal by nature, as are many other creatures that adapt quite well to other sleep patterns. But you are assuming she isn't also mostly awake at night. I know plenty of people that are like that from disorders, work shifts, or by choice. Maybe he stays asleep, and that's why he is in a pouch. Basically you accused her basically of abuse without all the facts. Good job!
 
To stand in for @Ponipetary, domestic cats are not nocturnal. Cats are crepuscular animals. Not nocturnal. You could argue they're metaturnal like humans, but certainly not nocturnal.

Crash course in chronobiology for you:

Nocturnal - active at night
Crepuscular - active at twilight ('vespertine' for evening twilight, I don't remember morning)
Diurnal - active at day
Metaturnal - active at any time

Humans are metaturnal due to our adaptability via our intellect. We act diurnal because we're terrible with darkness. It's possible to argue cats are metaturnal as well - but they're definitely crepuscular animals, as their eyes are best evolved for dim light. Not darkness.
Not completely true. To be fair, neither was my statement. Depending on the type of domestic cat, they can be nocturnal. The Norwegian Forest Cat is much different than a Siamese for instance. Both domesticated cats, but different sleep patterns, different needs, etc.
 
Not completely true. To be fair, neither was my statement. Depending on the type of domestic cat, they can be nocturnal. The Norwegian Forest Cat is much different than a Siamese for instance. Both domesticated cats, but different sleep patterns, different needs, etc.

Tapetum lucidum, both breeds. Same physiology. Nothing divergent to speciation. A cat is a cat is a cat.

Anyway, particulars aside, the girl is still a jackass. "Oh, let's adopt a skittish, nocturnal, and solitary animal with a specialized diet because I can't handle people hurting my feelings." Yep, an asshole.
 
Tapetum lucidum, both breeds. Same physiology. Nothing divergent to speciation. A cat is a cat is a cat.

Anyway, particulars aside, the girl is still a jackass. "Oh, let's adopt a skittish, nocturnal, and solitary animal with a specialized diet because I can't handle people hurting my feelings." Yep, an asshole.
They do vary, even if they are just cats, all of them. They are the same, but not. That's like saying all humans have the same needs. We are the same, but different. As to "can't handle people" I beg to differ. I've witnessed the good therapy animals can do. They are lifesavers in many instances. This instance? No clue. It could be that Momo was in a rehabilitation center after being injured and couldn't return to the wild. So in order to have her ared for, making her a therapy animal would ensure a happy and healthy life.
 
They do vary, even if they are just cats, all of them. They are the same, but not. That's like saying all humans have the same needs. We are the same, but different. As to "can't handle people" I beg to differ. I've witnessed the good therapy animals can do. They are lifesavers in many instances. This instance? No clue. It could be that Momo was in a rehabilitation center after being injured and couldn't return to the wild. So in order to have her ared for, making her a therapy animal would ensure a happy and healthy life.

No. We are not different. We are humans. Skin colour, sexual orientation - race is a sociological construct. Your take on cat breeds? Your construct. A black person, a yellow person, a red person, a white person - all the same. No different species. We are exactly the same in all physiological functioning/processing. A Norwegian forest cat, a Siamese cat? Same shit. The former is no different than the latter. There are no unique snowflakes. You cannot fight biology. A cat is a cat is a cat.

The actual issue here is the need for the intense regulation of 'service animal' status. A wallaby does not have the mental acuity to perform the role of a psychiatric service animal. This 'therapy animal' bit is nonsensical. If the girl does not have a mental disability significantly impairing her daily functioning, she does not require a service animal. And her wallaby should not have such status. We need to regulate this into oblivion to ensure the appropriate species are used under the greatest of care to provide therapeutic relief. A solitary, nocturnal, skittish, niche species is not among them.

How does a wallaby call 911? How does a wallaby ease compulsions? How does a wallaby neutralize a threat? How does a wallaby remind their partner to take medication? How does a wallaby signal for help when they're practically inaudible? Their fucking communication is nearly entirely locomotor. A subtle tail wiggle from a wallaby is not going to inform me that a girl has attempted suicide and is unconscious around the corner, in dire need of medical attention. She's going to bleed out while I admire how cute her wallaby is.

The girl needs to get a fucking dog and call it a day. Domesticated dogs are the only species appropriate for psychiatric care. You could argue cats as a viable option, but we all know cats are assholes.

But, it's a moot point. The girl is an attention whore. Her parents are equally starved. In the end the wallaby suffers...but so do mentally ill peoples, who have to deal with deep stigma coupled with the ridiculous mockery of service animals, all because this ostensibly unique snowflake of a girl wanted a shiny wallaby to feel better.
 
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How does a wallaby call 911? How does a wallaby ease compulsions? How does a wallaby neutralize a threat? How does a wallaby remind their partner to take medication? How does a wallaby signal for help when they're practically inaudible? Their fucking communication is nearly entirely locomotor. A subtle tail wiggle from a wallaby is not going to inform me that a girl has attempted suicide and is unconscious around the corner, in dire need of medical attention. She's going to bleed out while I admire how cute her wallaby is.
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You haven't heard of Skippy, have you?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skippy_the_Bush_Kangaroo

 
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Alrighty then. "Flipper" in the bush. o_O

"They call him Flipper! Flipper! faster than lightning!"
 
When I consider all the thumbs up, show the loves, and awesome responses I received from my initial posts in this thread...I feel better. Just saying.
I have to awesome you because....
I have every episode of Check It Out \m/ Dr. Steve Brule is my hero :nana:
 
Well what you just said isn't true. Uninformed I am not on this subject. I almost didn't say anything for fear of someone going into hysterics (thanks for being that person), when I studied it in animals (including people) for years. Dogs are also nocturnal by nature, as are many other creatures that adapt quite well to other sleep patterns. But you are assuming she isn't also mostly awake at night. I know plenty of people that are like that from disorders, work shifts, or by choice. Maybe he stays asleep, and that's why he is in a pouch. Basically you accused her basically of abuse without all the facts. Good job!

Just, by the by... @Ponipetary is a vet. I think she likely has you beat in the "years of studying" department, and trying to school her on the sleeping patterns of dogs is just ridiculous.

What are you qualified in? Out of curiosity?
 
Seriously if youre gonna be moralistic dont be a hypocrite
You claim to be polyamorous but what the fuck are you doing with a married man? And who the fuck are you to claim to save me from said married man? I know real life polyamorous people they wont mess with people who are married and the spouse isn't aware. Stop acting all holier than thou because you no more better than the rest of us.


Pardon me? Did you just say you were spending the X-mas Holidays with Rod and his family?

We're kinky in our house, not poly-anything. Rod was never a part of that. And I will let anything you say contrary to that slide this time being that you just came on to me like you know me when....MAD. Maybe there is a lesson here for you Megan, maybe there isn't. (THERE PROBABLY is...for all of us perhaps) whether you, me , we...all of us, learn it, remains to be seen and will be determined by the individual I suppose. Who the fuck knows Megan. You're entitled to my sincerest apologies. And you got them, so at this point, unless you want to kiss and make up you need to fuck off because you're not entitled to more than that. Nope, you're not!
 
Just, by the by... @Ponipetary is a vet. I think she likely has you beat in the "years of studying" department, and trying to school her on the sleeping patterns of dogs is just ridiculous.

What are you qualified in? Out of curiosity?
Vet and rescue work, including wildlife rescue and vetting. Which is how I know, just like doctors, not all vets know everything. Also research papers I've had to do on wildlife, including marsupials, on several conditions, including what sleep deprivation would do.
 
@Podargus, you evil soul, the Skippy theme song played in my head for most of the morning! I'd never seen Skippy, and was howling through the clips. Kept thinking OMG, those are the arms of a dead kangaroo, lol. My generations version was a collie dog named Lassie, though I can't recall her undoing any knots to save Timmy.
 
Sweet baby Allah; that is terrifying! Although I was of the opinion wallabies differ from kangaroos. But my taxonomy is limited to Biology 101.

I should say there's about as much difference as there is between a Norwegian forest cat and a Siamese ....:p

But there's more to it than that. Here's a very brief insight into the wonders of Macropodoidiea.

We were asked to co-author two chapters, on the marsupial families we work closely with, the Macropodiade (kangaroos and wallabies) and Potoroidae (potoroos and bettongs). These two groups (67 living species in total) make up the Macropodoidiea (colloquially called macropods), which are the iconic kangaroos, wallabies and rat-kangaroos found from the wet forests of Tasmania and Queensland, to the sandy deserts of central Australia, to the subalpine grasslands of New Guinea. While most famous for their unusual hopping gait, macropods also have many other unique aspects to their biology, including embroyonic diapause (suspended pregnancy), molars that migrate forwards in the jaw, continuous growth throughout life, complex sociality and remarkably efficient digestive systems. Some specialised groups have truffle-only diets, or unusual adaptations to live in rocky areas or up in trees -

See more at: http://australianmuseum.net.au/blogpost/amri-news/amri-kangaroos-wallabies-and-rat-kangaroos#s

ETA: Just a cool article about Bennett's wallabies getting high.

http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/creatura-blog/2015/02/bennetts-wallabies-get-high
 
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@Podargus, you evil soul, the Skippy theme song played in my head for most of the morning! I'd never seen Skippy, and was howling through the clips. Kept thinking OMG, those are the arms of a dead kangaroo, lol. My generations version was a collie dog named Lassie, though I can't recall her undoing any knots to save Timmy.

You're welcome.:cool:

I've had that earworm for near 40 years .......

We had Lassie too. The two shows ran back to back for years.
 
There's one Australian TV show I remember that aired in South Africa sometime between 1981 & 1983, something about a "Secret Valley" or maybe a "Happy Valley"? Not the best, but WAY better than what South Africa was churning out in those days. :)

Wandin Valley.

The show was called 'A Country Practice' Its all over YouTube if you want episodes. Here's an intro clip.

All filmed right where I live too. :)

 
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