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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/memphis-woman-voices-told-stab-sons-19857419
"She said she is paranoid schizophrenic and the voices told her to do it," the affidavit said.

Later when officers arrived at the home, Briggs "answered the door and told officers she was sorry."

"She had blood on her hands," the affidavit said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...two-sons-tells-cops-voices-told-her-to-do-it/
A mother charged with fatally stabbing her two young sons told police she is schizophrenic and that voices told her to do it, court records show.
Jamina Briggs, 29, also told officers who arrived at her home on Wednesday night that she was sorry about the stabbings, according to an affidavit of complaint.

Officers arrested Briggs after they found the boys, 6-year-old Nicholas Briggs and 23-month-old Jeremiah Briggs, lying face down on a couch with multiple stab wounds. The boys died at a hospital.

Tennessee's Department of Children's Services says Briggs did not have custody of the 6-year-old, but did have custody of the younger boy.



I think this is her FB.
https://www.facebook.com/jamina.briggs?fref=ts

[this is my first forums thread, don't kill me]
 
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Why should I kill you? Looks to me like you done good! Find all the threads I've started, there might 3 of them, so go forth and start threads!

As for that bitch up there, seems to me like if you know you're a schizophrenic and the voices are telling you to do bad things then you know they're hallucinations and you shouldn't listen. I think the truly insane don't know they are insane. I think you were mad that you couldn't control big boy so you just decided to kill them both, hey they can't execute you twice, can they? In for a penny, In for a pound!!!

I love little boys, they are the sweetest things, bringing you bugs and flowers and asking wild questions and buzzing around the house making car noises, jumping on the bed and off the couch, breaking stuff and giving you wet sloppy dirty hugs and kisses! You don't deserve any of it. But you could have let someone else have the pleasure of their company, you selfish murderous bitch.
 
I know that there are folks on here that are much more familiar with schizophrenia than I am, so I want to ask, when in the throes of a delusion (hearing voices, etc.) does a sufferer know that they are schizophrenic and that the voices they are hearing aren't real? My understanding is that they don't realize that until they are medicated, that at the time their delusions become their reality and they aren't aware enough to make the statement that she has.
 
Update:
11/2014 - http://wreg.com/2014/11/15/childrens-death-remembered-by-family/
A memorial banquet was held in their honor at the Ruth Tate Senior Center Saturday evening.

Family and friends gathered to remember the precious boys who were adored by their family and friends.
11/04/2013
http://www.localmemphis.com/story/j...f-her-two-sons/d/story/me0pOYjCy0-WP-LJql6gcw
Jamina Briggs, 30, of 230 Tillman, has a history of schizophrenia and other mental problems, family members have told police. She has been committed to a state mental health facility pending further order of the court.

As far as I can tell she is still in the mental hospital.
 
I know that there are folks on here that are much more familiar with schizophrenia than I am, so I want to ask, when in the throes of a delusion (hearing voices, etc.) does a sufferer know that they are schizophrenic and that the voices they are hearing aren't real? My understanding is that they don't realize that until they are medicated, that at the time their delusions become their reality and they aren't aware enough to make the statement that she has.
Your right, she probably had no idea at the time what was reality, and what was delusion.. Horrible illness. When she is stable and she figures out exactaly what has happened , I can't even imagine how she will feel.
Those poor boys, surely someone knew just how unwell she was, I wish someone intervened. It didn't need to end this way !!!
 
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I know that there are folks on here that are much more familiar with schizophrenia than I am, so I want to ask, when in the throes of a delusion (hearing voices, etc.) does a sufferer know that they are schizophrenic and that the voices they are hearing aren't real? My understanding is that they don't realize that until they are medicated, that at the time their delusions become their reality and they aren't aware enough to make the statement that she has.


This is only my opinion I have no REAL knowledge on any mental order.. Ive read that a person who has lived with schizo for awhile can learn to recognize the symptoms coming on... For example today they hear the voices 2-3 times they are aware it's only voices in their mind and they are able to work through that but if they ignore it and don't automatically go get help the voices will continue to come in stronger and they will start losing the reality that's it's not real and startb listening.... This is for only the ones that have been in therapy and in general are GOOD people.. Their are also schizos who just dont give a fuck.. Who also recognize the symptoms coming on and instead of fighting it.. They enjoy the ride so to speak... She sounds like the dont give a fuck ones.. And again this is only opinion..
 
There is no one-size-fits all behavior as it relates to schizophrenia and hallucinations. It is not "good people try harder, and bad people let it consume them." It has nothing to do with the quality of individual you are. In fact, IT may be what's driving the quality of individual you are. When a person suffers severe mental illness, that's what's behind the steering wheel unless there is significant medical intervention.

The way paranoid schizophrenia affects a person is as unique and varied as we are people. Yes, there are some general tendencies that can be established, but when it comes to severe mental illness, hard and fast rules are few and far between.

The severity of a hallucination can vary dramatically. Sometimes it can be a subtle feeling, like a hand on your shoulder; a pleasant or disturbing smell that no one else detects; maybe a click or static that no one else is hearing. If this is a repetitive hallucination, one may come to recognize it. Still, it is so real, sufferers might be forced to believe they've been implanted with something, or that they've got a supernatural power. For some sufferers, this may be as severe as the hallucinations ever get.

But during acute (or peak) periods, the hallucinations ARE YOUR REALITY. Your internal dialogue may suddenly be shouting at you to do something, and the paranoia fills in all the logic required to make that command seem perfectly sensible. Maybe it's not your internal dialogue. It's an unfamiliar voice. An angel. A demon. God or Satan themselves. They take control.

In the throws of an acute episode, sufferers report feeling completely powerless. Victimized. Because, no, this hallucination doesn't last forever, and when you come out the other side, you likely feel violated. Like someone or something else did this to you.

We don't necessarily know what might break a command hallucination, either. Sometimes, simply performing the action you're being commanded to do is enough to trigger internal silence. So it's very possible that a person immediately realizes they've done something terrible. Doesn't make them any more sane while they were doing it, though.
 
And, actually, since I'm pretty passionate about the mental illness thing and have a little experience that may help folks understand...

Years ago, my brother-in-law had moved in with us temporarily, and began suffering from amphetamine-induced psychosis, the hallucinations being similar to what a schizophrenic might experience. Some people suffer from consistently positive hallucinations. Some, a mixed bag. Others, consistently dark hallucinations. He was of the dark variety... and not because he was a bad person. Meth fan? Yep. But big ol' teddy bear otherwise.

We had already begun noticing some odd behavior, but one day, as we sat visiting in the living room, he suddenly switched into "tongues", some unrecognizable but Klingon-like, angry "language". As he spoke, it became more intense, clearly increasing frustration. My husband and I just sat and listened. He eventually switched back into English, and had no realization that he was babbling sounds for a period. He asked us why we had stopped conversing. He had been asking questions, and because we didn't understand, we were just looking at him with equal parts sympathy and fear. He was able to recognize our discomfort, but didn't understand what was causing it, because in his mind, he was still speaking English.

Try to wrap your brain around that shit. You can't. That's the thing about mental illness. It fucks with your wiring, and temporary "shorts" can produce strange and inexplicable results.

We tried to get him help, but until he actually hurt himself or someone else, there was no help available. So we shipped him to Montana to be with other family and away from the drugs. He called when he arrived and, when I asked how he was doing, he said, "I see your face in porn." "What?!" I incredulously responded. "Like, every woman in the magazine, it's always your face. And, yes, I realize how creepy that is. As much as I love you, sis, I really wish that weren't the case, either."

Shipped that mofo off not a moment too soon. :p
 
Why do the voices also suggest crazy shit like killing your kids? Do they ever suggest not so violent stuff?

Well, sure. It's just that, if the voice is commanding you to pet the cat or help an old lady across the road, it's not going to make it into the news.

There are some similarities between command hallucinations and, say, the compulsions ODC sufferers feel. In extreme cases, those compulsions can actually turn into auditory command hallucinations. Like, you feel the need to turn the light on and off three times before entering a room, and you might hear someone telling you to.

The mentally ill deserve our sympathy... even when they do unspeakable things. It is living hell, the treatment makes a person feel like zombie dog shit, and if they retreat from their medication because of that, people think they're a bad person, even if they've never hurt anyone.

It's been likened to "mental rape". Even if it's nice things the voices are telling you... it's still voices in your head.
 
@Buffettgirl and @Athena have you ever started writing something but as your writing it so many other facts and thoughts are interrupting your train of thought that you forget what exactly it is you were TRYING to say... That's what happened to me.. Lol.. I tried to just sum it up and after reading both of your post I realized i should have listened to that voice in my head that was telling me to delete.. Lol..
 
Ha, I'm psychic! :p I *knew* there was a very good reason I refrained from responding to this thread when it first popped up. <3
 
I work with folks with schizophrenia. While in the middle of delusions they can not tell you their diagnosis from my experience. Voices tell them good and bad. Some people experience more violent episodes than others. I work with one guy that can be sweet as pie and turn on you in a second...especially if he wants a cigarette.
 
There sometimes good, I had a client who could see doves flying out of her vagina and a man voice telling her she was beautiful lol !
 
@Buffettgirl and @Athena have you ever started writing something but as your writing it so many other facts and thoughts are interrupting your train of thought that you forget what exactly it is you were TRYING to say... That's what happened to me.. Lol.. I tried to just sum it up and after reading both of your post I realized i should have listened to that voice in my head that was telling me to delete.. Lol..

No, no... it's good you shared your thoughts, and I hope I wasn't coming off as annoyed. I'm not.

You started out that you'd "read". And that's just it. Mental illness is one thing you can read about pretty extensively and still have some very wrong impressions. Mental illness is taboo, inherently difficult to grasp as a subject, and research is not exactly even.

For example, I came across the statement that, even though a schizophrenic is 14 times more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrator, there are 33 studies examining the relationship between schizophrenia and violence committed, and a mere 10 examining the relationship between schizophrenia and violence suffered.

Mental illness terrifies us. Its seemingly random and often sudden nature strips us down and makes us feel vulnerable. Helpless. Its not unlike the meteor that can strike anytime that we really don't like to think about. And we resent the fact that it takes away our someone to blame when it pushes people to do evil things. So, on many levels, we remain willfully ignorant. We can't hope to truly understand it, so we don't really bother.

But keep reading. These people need our help. Their eventual victims need us to save them. Our government won't stop sliding this issue under the rug until we demand otherwise. It's a social issue that requires public resources. And in the meantime, these people slip through the cracks, often left to wander the streets like noisy ghosts, until they do something that gets them sent to prison, where woefully under-trained (and under-paid) guards get to deal with them.
 
No, no... it's good you shared your thoughts, and I hope I wasn't coming off as annoyed. I'm not.

You started out that you'd "read". And that's just it. Mental illness is one thing you can read about pretty extensively and still have some very wrong impressions. Mental illness is taboo, inherently difficult to grasp as a subject, and research is not exactly even.

For example, I came across the statement that, even though a schizophrenic is 14 times more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrator, there are 33 studies examining the relationship between schizophrenia and violence committed, and a mere 10 examining the relationship between schizophrenia and violence suffered.

Mental illness terrifies us. Its seemingly random and often sudden nature strips us down and makes us feel vulnerable. Helpless. Its not unlike the meteor that can strike anytime that we really don't like to think about. And we resent the fact that it takes away our someone to blame when it pushes people to do evil things. So, on many levels, we remain willfully ignorant. We can't hope to truly understand it, so we don't really bother.

But keep reading. These people need our help. Their eventual victims need us to save them. Our government won't stop sliding this issue under the rug until we demand otherwise. It's a social issue that requires public resources. And in the meantime, these people slip through the cracks, often left to wander the streets like noisy ghosts, until they do something that gets them sent to prison, where woefully under-trained (and under-paid) guards get to deal with them.

So, when are we going to put in for our summer vacays and start our national trek lobbying all the state legislatures? Bring something form-fitting, too, gorgeous. We'll need all the help we can get. ;) <3
 
@Athena... You didn't come off sounding annoyed at all.. In all the comments I've read through out DD your statements always sound well educated.. I was wondering is this the results of your career.. Education.. Or just a personal passion... Sorry for not punctuating.. My phone is a piece of crap.. Lol.
 
I am extremely uncomfortable around mentally disturbed people. It messes with my intuition or whatever it is that I subconsciously use to "read" people and situations and also makes me feel less in control of whatever is happening. While I understand why I'm that way, it disappoints me.
 
@Athena... You didn't come off sounding annoyed at all.. In all the comments I've read through out DD your statements always sound well educated.. I was wondering is this the results of your career.. Education.. Or just a personal passion... Sorry for not punctuating.. My phone is a piece of crap.. Lol.

I have no formal education beyond high school at this point (but soon!), and I've always been in manufacturing, so you can cross those off the list.

Nope, I was born to a couple of crazies. Dad's bipolar; never went on a family vacation because he had to reserve his paid time off for his depressive episodes. As a kid, you want to understand why your brilliant dad spends a week in bed every so often without eating, coming out only to use the bathroom, but would be Super Dad other weeks.

And mom... Mom suffered from an exotic cocktail of depression and anxiety disorders with a pinch of OCD for balance, all of which intensified after the death of her parents in the late 80s. By the end, fear of crowds, driving at night, doctors, just to name a few, had her practically a hermit. And hoarding tendencies. Newspapers everywhere. A garage full of thrift store finds that would never be used but could never be thrown out. Food that wasn't allowed to be eaten and would rot and get tossed.

But both incredible intellects. You'd have thought my mother was clairvoyant, her ability to see into a soul... unmatched. Dad, a MENSA brain, my personal encyclopedia.

I escaped the neuroses. My little sister wasn't so lucky.

So, I started reading. Haven't stopped. :)
 
A woman who stabbed her two young children to death almost two years ago will not go to prison.

A judge ruled Friday that Jamina Briggs was insane at the time of the crime, and therefore not guilty by reason of insanity.

On July 31, 2013, Briggs called 911 and told dispatchers she stabbed her two boys, six-year-old Nicholas and 22-month-old Jeremiah.

Court records showed Briggs' mother had custody of Nicholas and his older sister Amber (who was not in the house at the time of the murder) at the time.

She reported planning to seek custody of Jeremiah.

Hearing the information all over again was a lot for the boys' father Darius Goliday and paternal grandmother Wanda McClure.

"I don't talk about it, but I think about. I block it out of my mind. All I think about is the hugs, the love," said Goliday Friday afternoon.

Prior to Briggs' mother getting custody of Nicholas, McClure had temporary custody.

She told WREG she always had a special bond with Nicholas since she helped to raise him.

"It really kind of just tore me up today when I really kind of just looked at her,"McClure said.

McClure and Goliday were among the people asked to leave the courtroom temporarily after Briggs had an outburst directed at them.

Similar behavior has been outlined in court records and was even what led a judge to question Briggs' mental stability related to the initial custody debate over her daughter in 2007.

"From the things that we've seen and heard, and what we know, she never really got the help, well, she never really got what she really needed," said McClure.

In addition to Briggs' mental health history, WREG previously reported on how even she as a child had contact with the Department of Children's Services.

Testimony revealed Briggs had 39 psychiatric admissions since the age of roughly 18, including spending 24 days at Lakeside a month before the murders.

Friday's order stated she was released "as not being a danger to self or others."

Briggs skipped a scheduled follow up appointment.

The defendant also had multiple violent episodes toward family and even mental health workers, including threats of death.

She attempted suicide multiple times.

"I hope she get the help she needs," said McClure.

Goliday said focusing on family was all he can do.

"All the three that I have left, that's what I'm living for. ," he said.

There's a hearing set for May 27th. At that time, the judge will determine if Briggs is still mentally ill and if she should be committed.

Briggs will undergo further mental evaluation between now and then.

http://wreg.com/2015/04/24/judge-briggs-insane-at-time-of-crime/

The Memphis woman who stabbed her two, young children to death in July of 2013 has been committed to a mental health hospital.

A judge ruled Tuesday that Jamina Briggs is mentally ill and poses a threat to herself and others.

In late April, Briggs was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Judge Glen Wright found Briggs was insane at the time of the crime.

Tuesday’s hearing was held to determine if Briggs was still ill. Prosecutors had petitioned for judicial hospitalization.

Briggs stabbed her two sons, six-year-old, Nicholas and 22-month-old, Jeremiah on July 31, 2013 then called 911 and told police she’d been hearing voices.

She was charged with two counts of first degree murder, and two counts of aggravated child abuse.

Court records show Briggs had history of mental illness.

At the time of the murders, Briggs’ mother had custody of Nicholas and an older daughter.

However, family members told WREG Nicholas was with his mother due to family work schedules and child care issues.

The family also had a history with the Tennessee Department of Children’s Services.

According to Judge Wright’s ruling, hospital officials will update the court every six months of Briggs’ condition and progress.

The order also states Briggs can’t be discharged without the court’s review.

http://wreg.com/2015/05/27/woman-who-stabbed-children-committed-to-mental-institution/
 
Why do the voices always have such heinous messages...


I would imagine that when her mental issues are treated properly...
Her reality will be far more horrific then her delusions.
IF she has a conscience.

This is Tragic in every way
 
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