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paintedred
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I am glad the have the murderer, the little family didn't deserve that to happen to them .
Some people are just cold hearted and will stop at nothing to suit their own means.
Some people are just cold hearted and will stop at nothing to suit their own means.
Whisper
#byefelicia
Dead man’s father says San Diego authorities ‘screwed up’ investigation of McStay family disappearance
Joseph McStay says authorities in San Diego County ‘did virtually nothing’ to find his son’s missing family. An arrested suspect in the slayings was announced Friday in an adjacent county.
Joseph McStay says authorities in San Diego County ‘did virtually nothing’ to find his son’s missing family. An arrested suspect in the slayings was announced Friday in an adjacent county.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-diego-mcstay-investigation-article-1.2004025
Piercedprincess666
Active Member
All about money
those adorable kids lost their lives over money...
Norcal Skim
Trusted Member
What kind of sub human would beat two kids to death to steal their dad's money? Sometimes I hate humanity.
So glad an arrest was finally made. Wonder what the perp's prison time was for.
So glad an arrest was finally made. Wonder what the perp's prison time was for.
Whisper
#byefelicia
Charles Merritt Pleads Not Guilty to Four Counts of Murder in McStay Family Slayings
Charles Merritt was led out of the courtroom after his arraignment, where he pleaded not guilty in the slayings of the McStay family
http://ktla.com/2014/11/12/charles-...r-counts-of-murder-in-mcstay-family-slayings/
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
Chase Merrit want to represent himself to get things moving he feels that he only has 6 months to live and wants people to know as much of the facts as he can shed on the horror. Personally, I think he is innocent as there was no way in hell one person could have pulled this off.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mcstay-murder-suspect-chooses-to-represent-self/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mcstay-murder-suspect-chooses-to-represent-self/
'SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. - The man accused of killing the McStays, a family of four who disappeared in 2010 and whose remains were found in 2013 in the California desert, told a judge Friday he wanted to represent himself in his murder trial, despite the judge's urging that it was a "historically unwise" decision.
Charles "Chase" Merritt, 57, had been represented by Robert Ponce, but Ponce said Friday that Meritt decided he wants to represent himself with the hope that it will move the case along quicker since Merritt believes he only has six to eight months to live.
Ponce said Merritt wants the facts of the case made known immediately and wants to clear his name.
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Arrest in slaying of McStay family
While Merritt's alleged health issues were not specified in court Friday, Ponce said in November that Merritt had been diagnosed with congestive heart failure and was being treated by jail doctors.
In response to Merritt's request, San Bernardino Superior Court Judge Michael Smith warned that it was an unwise decision and advised Merritt that the court would appoint him an attorney at no cost. Merritt declined.
Even after Judge Smith went on to describe the disadvantages of Merritt's decision, the defendant stuck with it.
The judge then questioned Merritt about his education and background and in response, Merritt said he graduated high school and went to college for two years. He said that prior to his arrest, he worked as a designer and sold products to manufacturers. Merritt also said he has never represented himself in court before.
Despite Merritt's supposed health issues and lack of legal background, Ponce told the judge he believes Merritt has the intellect to defend himself. The judge subsequently allowed it, but said the matter was pending review until Merritt produced a note from the jail doctor saying he was fit to do so.
Merritt will be appointed advisory and standby counsel that he can use at his discretion.
Also Friday, Judge Smith declined a request by the media to unseal search warrants filed late in the McStay murder investigation, saying releasing that information at this time would "seriously jeopardize the defendant's rights to a fair trial."
Last week, a judge in San Diego unsealed four search warrants from the early stages of the investigation at the media's request.
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Man was penning book about family he's accused of killing
Joseph McStay, 40; his wife, Summer, 43; and their two sons, Gianni, 4; and Joey, 3, disappeared from their Fallbrook, Calif. home on February 4, 2010. The family wasn't reported missing until 11 days later when Joseph McStay's brother called police and alerted them that the family hadn't been heard from.
When police responded to the home, they found no signs of forced entry, but the family's dogs were in the backyard and a notice from San Diego County Animal Control was on the door indicating that the residents were being warned for abandoning their dogs, according to the search warrants released last week.
Authorities also wrote in the warrants that two bowls of popcorn were on a couch in the living room and a carton of raw eggs and a bag of microwave were found on the kitchen counter.
San Diego Sheriff's Deputy Troy DuGal wrote in a warrant dated February 19, 2010, "... It is my opinion the McStay family is the victim of foul play."
"...I believe that some or all of the McStay family has been kidnapped and killed," he added.
But despite that initial belief documented in the warrants, investigators apparently reached the conclusion that the family likely fled voluntarily to Mexico and the disappearance was investigated as a missing-persons case for more than three years.
The McStay family's Isuzu Trooper was found abandoned near the Mexico border and the San Diego County Sheriff's Department said it was convinced people seen on dimly lit surveillance video walking into Tijuana, Mexico were the McStays.
That theory, however, was shattered when the family's remains were found in November 2013 in shallow graves in the Mojave Desert, about 100 miles north of where the family lived. The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department then became the lead investigative agency on the case and a year later, in November 2014, Merritt, a former business associate of Joseph McStay, was arrested and charged with four counts of murder.
In announcing the arrest, authorities said they believe the McStays were bludgeoned to death in their home on February 4, 2010. They have not commented on a motive. Merritt has pleaded not guilty.
The judge set a status hearing in the case for February 20. That will be followed by a procedural hearing on April 3 and then a preliminary hearing on April 7.'
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mcstay-murder-suspect-chooses-to-represent-self/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mcstay-murder-suspect-chooses-to-represent-self/
'SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. - The man accused of killing the McStays, a family of four who disappeared in 2010 and whose remains were found in 2013 in the California desert, told a judge Friday he wanted to represent himself in his murder trial, despite the judge's urging that it was a "historically unwise" decision.
Charles "Chase" Merritt, 57, had been represented by Robert Ponce, but Ponce said Friday that Meritt decided he wants to represent himself with the hope that it will move the case along quicker since Merritt believes he only has six to eight months to live.
Ponce said Merritt wants the facts of the case made known immediately and wants to clear his name.
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Arrest in slaying of McStay family
While Merritt's alleged health issues were not specified in court Friday, Ponce said in November that Merritt had been diagnosed with congestive heart failure and was being treated by jail doctors.
In response to Merritt's request, San Bernardino Superior Court Judge Michael Smith warned that it was an unwise decision and advised Merritt that the court would appoint him an attorney at no cost. Merritt declined.
Even after Judge Smith went on to describe the disadvantages of Merritt's decision, the defendant stuck with it.
The judge then questioned Merritt about his education and background and in response, Merritt said he graduated high school and went to college for two years. He said that prior to his arrest, he worked as a designer and sold products to manufacturers. Merritt also said he has never represented himself in court before.
Despite Merritt's supposed health issues and lack of legal background, Ponce told the judge he believes Merritt has the intellect to defend himself. The judge subsequently allowed it, but said the matter was pending review until Merritt produced a note from the jail doctor saying he was fit to do so.
Merritt will be appointed advisory and standby counsel that he can use at his discretion.
Also Friday, Judge Smith declined a request by the media to unseal search warrants filed late in the McStay murder investigation, saying releasing that information at this time would "seriously jeopardize the defendant's rights to a fair trial."
Last week, a judge in San Diego unsealed four search warrants from the early stages of the investigation at the media's request.
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Man was penning book about family he's accused of killing
Joseph McStay, 40; his wife, Summer, 43; and their two sons, Gianni, 4; and Joey, 3, disappeared from their Fallbrook, Calif. home on February 4, 2010. The family wasn't reported missing until 11 days later when Joseph McStay's brother called police and alerted them that the family hadn't been heard from.
When police responded to the home, they found no signs of forced entry, but the family's dogs were in the backyard and a notice from San Diego County Animal Control was on the door indicating that the residents were being warned for abandoning their dogs, according to the search warrants released last week.
Authorities also wrote in the warrants that two bowls of popcorn were on a couch in the living room and a carton of raw eggs and a bag of microwave were found on the kitchen counter.
San Diego Sheriff's Deputy Troy DuGal wrote in a warrant dated February 19, 2010, "... It is my opinion the McStay family is the victim of foul play."
"...I believe that some or all of the McStay family has been kidnapped and killed," he added.
But despite that initial belief documented in the warrants, investigators apparently reached the conclusion that the family likely fled voluntarily to Mexico and the disappearance was investigated as a missing-persons case for more than three years.
The McStay family's Isuzu Trooper was found abandoned near the Mexico border and the San Diego County Sheriff's Department said it was convinced people seen on dimly lit surveillance video walking into Tijuana, Mexico were the McStays.
That theory, however, was shattered when the family's remains were found in November 2013 in shallow graves in the Mojave Desert, about 100 miles north of where the family lived. The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department then became the lead investigative agency on the case and a year later, in November 2014, Merritt, a former business associate of Joseph McStay, was arrested and charged with four counts of murder.
In announcing the arrest, authorities said they believe the McStays were bludgeoned to death in their home on February 4, 2010. They have not commented on a motive. Merritt has pleaded not guilty.
The judge set a status hearing in the case for February 20. That will be followed by a procedural hearing on April 3 and then a preliminary hearing on April 7.'
Piercedprincess666
Active Member
Chase Merrit want to represent himself to get things moving he feels that he only has 6 months to live and wants people to know as much of the facts as he can shed on the horror. Personally, I think he is innocent as there was no way in hell one person could have pulled this off.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mcstay-murder-suspect-chooses-to-represent-self/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mcstay-murder-suspect-chooses-to-represent-self/
'SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. - The man accused of killing the McStays, a family of four who disappeared in 2010 and whose remains were found in 2013 in the California desert, told a judge Friday he wanted to represent himself in his murder trial, despite the judge's urging that it was a "historically unwise" decision.
Charles "Chase" Merritt, 57, had been represented by Robert Ponce, but Ponce said Friday that Meritt decided he wants to represent himself with the hope that it will move the case along quicker since Merritt believes he only has six to eight months to live.
Ponce said Merritt wants the facts of the case made known immediately and wants to clear his name.
32 Photos
Arrest in slaying of McStay family
While Merritt's alleged health issues were not specified in court Friday, Ponce said in November that Merritt had been diagnosed with congestive heart failure and was being treated by jail doctors.
In response to Merritt's request, San Bernardino Superior Court Judge Michael Smith warned that it was an unwise decision and advised Merritt that the court would appoint him an attorney at no cost. Merritt declined.
Even after Judge Smith went on to describe the disadvantages of Merritt's decision, the defendant stuck with it.
The judge then questioned Merritt about his education and background and in response, Merritt said he graduated high school and went to college for two years. He said that prior to his arrest, he worked as a designer and sold products to manufacturers. Merritt also said he has never represented himself in court before.
Despite Merritt's supposed health issues and lack of legal background, Ponce told the judge he believes Merritt has the intellect to defend himself. The judge subsequently allowed it, but said the matter was pending review until Merritt produced a note from the jail doctor saying he was fit to do so.
Merritt will be appointed advisory and standby counsel that he can use at his discretion.
Also Friday, Judge Smith declined a request by the media to unseal search warrants filed late in the McStay murder investigation, saying releasing that information at this time would "seriously jeopardize the defendant's rights to a fair trial."
Last week, a judge in San Diego unsealed four search warrants from the early stages of the investigation at the media's request.
Play Video
Man was penning book about family he's accused of killing
Joseph McStay, 40; his wife, Summer, 43; and their two sons, Gianni, 4; and Joey, 3, disappeared from their Fallbrook, Calif. home on February 4, 2010. The family wasn't reported missing until 11 days later when Joseph McStay's brother called police and alerted them that the family hadn't been heard from.
When police responded to the home, they found no signs of forced entry, but the family's dogs were in the backyard and a notice from San Diego County Animal Control was on the door indicating that the residents were being warned for abandoning their dogs, according to the search warrants released last week.
Authorities also wrote in the warrants that two bowls of popcorn were on a couch in the living room and a carton of raw eggs and a bag of microwave were found on the kitchen counter.
San Diego Sheriff's Deputy Troy DuGal wrote in a warrant dated February 19, 2010, "... It is my opinion the McStay family is the victim of foul play."
"...I believe that some or all of the McStay family has been kidnapped and killed," he added.
But despite that initial belief documented in the warrants, investigators apparently reached the conclusion that the family likely fled voluntarily to Mexico and the disappearance was investigated as a missing-persons case for more than three years.
The McStay family's Isuzu Trooper was found abandoned near the Mexico border and the San Diego County Sheriff's Department said it was convinced people seen on dimly lit surveillance video walking into Tijuana, Mexico were the McStays.
That theory, however, was shattered when the family's remains were found in November 2013 in shallow graves in the Mojave Desert, about 100 miles north of where the family lived. The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department then became the lead investigative agency on the case and a year later, in November 2014, Merritt, a former business associate of Joseph McStay, was arrested and charged with four counts of murder.
In announcing the arrest, authorities said they believe the McStays were bludgeoned to death in their home on February 4, 2010. They have not commented on a motive. Merritt has pleaded not guilty.
The judge set a status hearing in the case for February 20. That will be followed by a procedural hearing on April 3 and then a preliminary hearing on April 7.'
have they ever said what evidence they have against this guy? i agree that there has to be more than one person involved...
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
really none from what I heard, they have had their heads so far up from the beginning of this is almost looks like people have been being covered and I'm thinkin the freak with the perfect alibi of bein in Hawaii at the time. A moron would not have bought into the bullshit video of "them" crossing into Mexico.
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
Well, JB, would love to hear your insight as I have been following this story from their disappearance poured over any information about them and the story and talked to anyone I know of that lives in first the two Calif counties then the third. I will state again: there is no way one individual could have done this it would have been impossible.
You're saying it's not believable that one grown man can lift up another grown man? Absurd.
Hard to fight when you just received some serious blunt force trauma to the head. We don't know who he attacked first or what means he used to do so, whether he had a weapon or even a gun to use as a threat(or to deliver those blows to the head). Not to mention, she very well may have fought like hell. Just cuz there wasn't furniture overturned and shit broken in the house doens't mean she didn't fight back.
He likely had this thing planned out well in advance. Prob had another vehicle parked waiting for him near where the familys vehicle was dropped.
This all seems pretty straightforward and perfectly believable to me. Not sure why wild conspiracy theories are being thrown out when it comes to the carrying out of the crime.
If you want to bring up some unanswered questions that truly beg to be answered, have we received any more info on the financial transactions the web designer made shortly after the familys dissapearance? I'm not doubting the police did a thorough investigation and have good reason for deciding on this Chase fucker, but there's some shady seeming shit still wide open.
What utter nonsense.
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
the web designer was involved in this I think. Also McStay was well over 6' and 200 lbs. This guy is like 5'8" the double car thing would be a big feat for one person and their place isn't that close to the strip mall on the border. This guy had nothing to gain and lost everything over this situation. Also the web guys "friend" that he sold the business to [illegally] had a house not far from where the bodies were found. That woman was a fighter especially for her children it would have taken allot to over power her alone.
I want to know why authorities are saying the attacks/murders occured in the home. Did they end up finding some blood spatter or something? Sounds odd to have 4 people killed by blunt force trauma to the head inside a home yet not a shred of physical evidence was found inside it. Of course it's possible someone successfully cleaned the mess, but we've all seen enough crime news shows and read enough stories to know how difficult an unlikely that is.
I'd think it'd be far more likely that he got them all into a car with him to take a drive, either on friendly terms or under threat of violence(again, who knows if he had a gun or not), rather then slaughtering an entire family inside a home successfully leaving no signs of struggle. The cops must have some reason to not go with what seems to be the more believable scenario.
No it wouldn't. It's not hard for a grown man to lift up 200 pounds. It's not like he's pressing it over his head for reps, he' just have to lift it high enough to get part of it into a vehicle, then roll the rest in. Really not understanding how you think this is such an impossible, mind blowing feat.
So?
We don't yet know the motive. All we have right now is his word that business was going great. What if things between him and his partner weren't so great? What if that meeting they had shortly before the victims dissapearance was a bit more negative in nature, perhaps it involved the victim telling Chase he was out? We know this partnership was the guys only financial lifeline, McStay ending it would upset the dude quite a bit(especially if what chase says about business booming was true, imagine thinking you had hit the jackpot only for it to be taken away over lunch).
We're both going out on limbs here. But you're choosing to doubt whatever it is that led police to this arrest and instead blindly buy into what the accused has said.
Business partner, last to see the victim alive, last to speak to him, convicted of crimes in the past(granted from what i understand they were non-violent and were 20-30 years ago) vs 4 year long investigation by law enforcement.
As i've said, there's lots of odd shit left unanswered, but i'm still inclined to give the authorities more cred for the time being, def think my limb is farrrr sturdier then yours.
I'm not opposed to doubting the cops, especially in a case this long and messy(i don't believe for a second they have enough for a conviction on anybody btw). If you want to poke some actual holes into the working theory of what occurred, i'll throw you yet another bone...
Chase supposedly had told authorities from the start that there's no way the family left to Mexico, no way McStay was involved in drugs. Yet we know whoever killed them dumped their vehicle near the Mexican border, suggesting whoever did the deed was trying to make it seem like there was some sort of Mexican angle or Mexican criminal/drug invovlement. If chase is guilty, why would he dump the car to mislead authorities yet then tell them something that points directly away from this? Why go through the trouble of leaving their vehicle near the border only to later try and dissuade police from buying into the ruse?
Is there some rational explanation for this? Is Chase is that fucking conniving and forward thinking(knowing he'd be on the investigative radar given his relationship with the victims) that he'd poke holes in his own criminal activities so as to cast doubt upon himself should things reach this point? Hard to believe. Odd stuff.
Which article was this. I must have missed it. Only thing i read on the guy was that he withdrew a lot of money out of the familys(or was it business) account the week after the dissappearance.
Or a single hard blow to the head.
I'd think it'd be far more likely that he got them all into a car with him to take a drive, either on friendly terms or under threat of violence(again, who knows if he had a gun or not), rather then slaughtering an entire family inside a home successfully leaving no signs of struggle. The cops must have some reason to not go with what seems to be the more believable scenario.
No it wouldn't. It's not hard for a grown man to lift up 200 pounds. It's not like he's pressing it over his head for reps, he' just have to lift it high enough to get part of it into a vehicle, then roll the rest in. Really not understanding how you think this is such an impossible, mind blowing feat.
So?
We don't yet know the motive. All we have right now is his word that business was going great. What if things between him and his partner weren't so great? What if that meeting they had shortly before the victims dissapearance was a bit more negative in nature, perhaps it involved the victim telling Chase he was out? We know this partnership was the guys only financial lifeline, McStay ending it would upset the dude quite a bit(especially if what chase says about business booming was true, imagine thinking you had hit the jackpot only for it to be taken away over lunch).
We're both going out on limbs here. But you're choosing to doubt whatever it is that led police to this arrest and instead blindly buy into what the accused has said.
Business partner, last to see the victim alive, last to speak to him, convicted of crimes in the past(granted from what i understand they were non-violent and were 20-30 years ago) vs 4 year long investigation by law enforcement.
As i've said, there's lots of odd shit left unanswered, but i'm still inclined to give the authorities more cred for the time being, def think my limb is farrrr sturdier then yours.
I'm not opposed to doubting the cops, especially in a case this long and messy(i don't believe for a second they have enough for a conviction on anybody btw). If you want to poke some actual holes into the working theory of what occurred, i'll throw you yet another bone...
Chase supposedly had told authorities from the start that there's no way the family left to Mexico, no way McStay was involved in drugs. Yet we know whoever killed them dumped their vehicle near the Mexican border, suggesting whoever did the deed was trying to make it seem like there was some sort of Mexican angle or Mexican criminal/drug invovlement. If chase is guilty, why would he dump the car to mislead authorities yet then tell them something that points directly away from this? Why go through the trouble of leaving their vehicle near the border only to later try and dissuade police from buying into the ruse?
Is there some rational explanation for this? Is Chase is that fucking conniving and forward thinking(knowing he'd be on the investigative radar given his relationship with the victims) that he'd poke holes in his own criminal activities so as to cast doubt upon himself should things reach this point? Hard to believe. Odd stuff.
Which article was this. I must have missed it. Only thing i read on the guy was that he withdrew a lot of money out of the familys(or was it business) account the week after the dissappearance.
Or a single hard blow to the head.
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Dutchesse
Well-Known Member
This bugs me too. Seems like a hell of a job for one guy. He must have been meticulous in cleaning and it must have taken a long time.
Agreed.
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
I'm going to put together a whole list of articles for you [I had them on the hd that blew this last summer] but will start with basics off the top of my head:
When they were offically claimed missing we were in the middle of Narnia and had no electric but when we got it back and I had internet:
Brother is asked to check on couple as noone has heard from them. calls police. The house was like they had just went to the store of something as things were out on the counter rotting and unused like eggs butter etc. Popcorn in a bowl on table. Dogs in the back that the neighbors had been putting food out for. House was gone through with a fine tooth comb and multiple police and sheriff interviews on tv that there was absolutely no reason to think the family met with foul play especially in the house. Not so much as a napkin disturbed let alone any sign of a struggle or violence. Then they come up with a week later [and I know them strip malls around the border they are serious about towing your ass if your car is left in one of there stinkin parkinglots] towing of their car from said strip mall parkinglot and a grainy picture showing a family crossing the border. The police [smoking crack time] claim the mystery is solved the family left their car and crossed the border in the dead of night on foot and saw no reason to use a dime in any of their accounts. This was a major bullshit call as starters noone with the brain God gave an ant would do that with two little boys like that and she was terrified of going to Mexico and really would take her sons there. BTW SPOILER: he didn't pull any money out of any account it was the webmaster Cavenaugh that did that along with try to sell the business [and involved in other shady deals he had threatened them before they disappeared and had the most convenient alibi and the family was sure he was involved and I am too] that he had no right to about a year after they disappeared. I will give you this and this only: everyone did give a look at this guy but after more and more came out dismissed any idea of his involvement and maybe he was in a sideways way, whose to say but he is far from a main player, he might know something. This was a mega mystery of the triad area [orange county, san diego county, san bernadinao county] and there have been a ton of things come out and a ton of ideas and people who knew these guys and knew some of the suspects and everyone is calling foul on this one. The one person everyone agrees with that had something to do with this Dan Kavenaugh:
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ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
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it pissed me off how they demonized Summer especially the guy that wrote the book but he brought up good points: her phone still pinged after Js was deadI'm going to put together a whole list of articles for you [I had them on the hd that blew this last summer] but will start with basics off the top of my head:
When they were offically claimed missing we were in the middle of Narnia and had no electric but when we got it back and I had internet:
Brother is asked to check on couple as noone has heard from them. calls police. The house was like they had just went to the store of something as things were out on the counter rotting and unused like eggs butter etc. Popcorn in a bowl on table. Dogs in the back that the neighbors had been putting food out for. House was gone through with a fine tooth comb and multiple police and sheriff interviews on tv that there was absolutely no reason to think the family met with foul play especially in the house. Not so much as a napkin disturbed let alone any sign of a struggle or violence. Then they come up with a week later [and I know them strip malls around the border they are serious about towing your ass if your car is left in one of there stinkin parkinglots] towing of their car from said strip mall parkinglot and a grainy picture showing a family crossing the border. The police [smoking crack time] claim the mystery is solved the family left their car and crossed the border in the dead of night on foot and saw no reason to use a dime in any of their accounts. This was a major bullshit call as starters noone with the brain God gave an ant would do that with two little boys like that and she was terrified of going to Mexico and really would take her sons there. BTW SPOILER: he didn't pull any money out of any account it was the webmaster Cavenaugh that did that along with try to sell the business [and involved in other shady deals he had threatened them before they disappeared and had the most convenient alibi and the family was sure he was involved and I am too] that he had no right to about a year after they disappeared. I will give you this and this only: everyone did give a look at this guy but after more and more came out dismissed any idea of his involvement and maybe he was in a sideways way, whose to say but he is far from a main player, he might know something. This was a mega mystery of the triad area [orange county, san diego county, san bernadinao county] and there have been a ton of things come out and a ton of ideas and people who knew these guys and knew some of the suspects and everyone is calling foul on this one. The one person everyone agrees with that had something to do with this Dan Kavenaugh:
There's more holes in what you came up with than target practice swiss cheese. To be continued...........but a quickie as I really would like you to read all the articles and then come up with some ideas as you do have them sometimes: http://www.cbs8.com/story/24277118/mcstay-murder-mystery-who-is-dan-kavanaugh this blogger is a grandstander that I think wrote a book but more food: http://joebrainardspajamas.blogspot.com/2011/12/mcstays-update.html
reneelvsbrian
Trusted Member
I believe it went like this: He knew he was going to kill them, him and the dad were on computer upstairs mom and kids were downstairs he hit the dad with something or incapacitated him somehow strangled or hit him in head went downstairs killed the mom the same way and i bet the little boys maybe saw it, killed them, loaded them all in the car and went to desert and buried them all. why he bought all the toys they found in car idk, but imo thats what i think happened.
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
how the hell could the house look immaculate and not like a crime scene? how could not a single item be turned over or any sign of a struggle? And what would he have gained? His money was made off of orders of what he did for Js business, he lost all of that and then some as soon as they disappeared. Personally, usually in any murder you follow the money to see who would benifit and Kavenaugh is a good look at who did.
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ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/01/justice/mcstay-case-five-questions/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/justice/mcstay-murder-mystery/
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20759686,00.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/home-video-of-the-missing-mcstay-family-video-inside-of-home
what I am trying to refind are the boards with individuals that knew them or the people around them as well as the yelps on the business that had been illegally bought [sold by the webmaster] by another guy that then claimed it was a different business
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/justice/mcstay-murder-mystery/
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20759686,00.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/home-video-of-the-missing-mcstay-family-video-inside-of-home
what I am trying to refind are the boards with individuals that knew them or the people around them as well as the yelps on the business that had been illegally bought [sold by the webmaster] by another guy that then claimed it was a different business
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
my skepticism with the now charges? there are other cases around that area that were blatantly mishandled and regardless of evidence and witnesses they went ahead and charged who they wanted while thew guilty went free. In one notable case a scumbag [to be sure] was charged for a brutal triple homicide while the guilty not only skated but the sheriffs department threw away evidence against them given to them by one individual that said her boyfriend had come home and bragged about the murders including bloody clothes that they wore during the massacre: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/23/opinion/la-ed-cooper-20101223 http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/03/local/la-me-kevincooper3-2010jan03
there are numerous cases in Calif where you really wonder about the investigation crew and the proscecutors this one just went national and should have been cut and dried: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-murder-in-pinyon-pines/
there are numerous cases in Calif where you really wonder about the investigation crew and the proscecutors this one just went national and should have been cut and dried: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-murder-in-pinyon-pines/
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Haha thanks, but i actually have been reading through the news of this story since it broke. Only thing i apparently missed out on was some of the seedier details about this cavenough character.
ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
He is the one you were thinkin of as he was the one that drew large amounts of cash out of the families business immediately after they disappeared: check him and the guy he sold the business to illegally and that his gf at the time [now ex] thought he had something to do with the family disappearance [there is some bad bf sites she was on and the McStay family asking her questions] the family and the guy now charged were all emphatic [due to the distinctive way Js walked as the individuals were dressed like the McStay family would be and it wasn't them]that the video was not the family crossing the border and how weird that video would surface conveniently and people would buy into it. How stupid would that logic be? This was well orchestrated and very creepy. What had people tried to get J involved in? [he imported pieces of fountains he used from Mexico] What had he seen? [he installed fountains in OC and surrounding areas] what did he know or people think he knew? I hope this guy is able to get any and everything he might know in hard copy out to a trusted person because dimes to dollars he'll be dead before the trials actually get under way to the point where he will be able to testify in court.
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reneelvsbrian
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They werent expecting what was coming is maybe why the house was clean but they said things were just left out food ect popcorn all over in front of the tv, which makes me think he did it quick, they were bludgeoned to death i dont think he could of done that if they were all together so he did them one by one in the house IMO. I hope they do find out what really happened i have been following this case since it happened.
CbabyRKO
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ChaosKitty
Queen Bitch From Hell
I truly believe he is innocent and they didn't think he would live long enough to testify. I hope the whole truth comes out in this case and the guilty really pay as much as they should.
reneelvsbrian
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They found a white extension cord around his neck, I bet he killed him first then the others and I bet he used their computer to look up that info on mexico that they thought was the mothers doing to throw people off. It was probably easy to do the others once the father was out of the way.
I don't see how they have enough to charge this guy
I just can't believe it. Charles (Chase) Merritt has fired his latest batch of attorneys yet again which will further delay the trial.
Didn't realize this was going on.
Any new info on whatever illness he had? Thought this guy was supposed to die soon?
I think the guy did it, but still don't see how ripping off the company = murder beyond a reasonable doubt. Seems ALL they have is the business connection. They have a motive and absolutely nothing else from all i've read.
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