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12yos Morgan Geyser & Anissa Weier Charged In The Stabbing Of Another 12yo

Could be crazy, could just be smart as hell and just as manipulative. Kids can be vastly underrated and not thought to be manipulative, but they are just the same.
 
Piercedprincess666 said:
@Seven Lmao dislike because my son watches slender man?
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You pegged it! Children are like sponges and I hate the thought of any child soaking up that negative garbage but apparently, it doesn't bother you. I can see a child watching something the parents aren't aware of but at the point you learn what it's about and let it continue? That's where I disagree with you on letting an 8 year old watch Slenderman.
 
It appears to me that this girl lost herself in the world of Slenderman because something seriously lacked at home. Obviously not enough parental supervision at the amount of time she spent on this website. Kids are like sponges...they do soak up everything. I think she is reiterating her fantasy land...no crime there...but I believe she is dragging this out...its helping her to do so. I don't believe for a second she is incompetent. She is playing a role she created for herself. Big difference.
 
Seven said:
You pegged it! Children are like sponges and I hate the thought of any child soaking up that negative garbage but apparently, it doesn't bother you. I can see a child watching something the parents aren't aware of but at the point you learn what it's about and let it continue? That's where I disagree with you on letting an 8 year old watch Slenderman.
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Well you see he's my child... He's always been fascinated by odd things since he was 2.... It's understandable to people who meet him... He knows slendeman isn't real, nor is he going to go out at stab people... The parents of these girls weren't watching these girls as closely as they should been... My son always talks to me about what he watches... If I saw it having a negative effect on him I would stop him obviously... Thanks for your concern but my sons fine thank you :yawn::wait:
 
Seven said:
You pegged it! Children are like sponges and I hate the thought of any child soaking up that negative garbage but apparently, it doesn't bother you. I can see a child watching something the parents aren't aware of but at the point you learn what it's about and let it continue? That's where I disagree with you on letting an 8 year old watch Slenderman.
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By the way my profile picture is slenderman he made out of legos :crack:
 
Piercedprincess666 said:
Well you see he's my child... He's always been fascinated by odd things since he was 2.... It's understandable to people who meet him... He knows slendeman isn't real, nor is he going to go out at stab people... The parents of these girls weren't watching these girls as closely as they should been... My son always talks to me about what he watches... If I saw it having a negative effect on him I would stop him obviously... Thanks for your concern but my sons fine thank you :yawn::wait:
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A plant doesn't grow overnight, it takes time but it began as a seed. People are the same way & what he's taking in is like a seed, and it grows. What we are exposed to causes an effect and I just think that children (being the most innocent things we have on this earth) should have positive "seeds" planted in their brains, for as long as possible. There's enough negative that they'll be forced to deal with in due time, why corrupt their innocence any sooner than is necessary?
 
Seven said:
A plant doesn't grow overnight, it takes time but it began as a seed. People are the same way & what he's taking in is like a seed, and it grows. What we are exposed to causes an effect and I just think that children (being the most innocent things we have on this earth) should have positive "seeds" planted in their brains, for as long as possible. There's enough negative that they'll be forced to deal with in due time, why corrupt their innocence any sooner than is necessary?
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People are not seeds, and they actually learn to start lying and manipulating at around a few months old (that's a fact) they are not so innocent lol.

allowing a child to watch anything should be based on that childs ability to comprehend what is real and what is not, as well as that childs ability to understand that what we see is not what we necessarily can do. If he comprehends that now than what are you saving him from by letting him watch it later?
 
@Seven you bust out the dislikes and disagrees a lot, I am wondering why? I like a lot of your posts a lot, I just don't understand why so many negatives.
 
kennasmom said:
People are not seeds, and they actually learn to start lying and manipulating at around a few months old (that's a fact) they are not so innocent lol.

allowing a child to watch anything should be based on that childs ability to comprehend what is real and what is not, as well as that childs ability to understand that what we see is not what we necessarily can do. If he comprehends that now than what are you saving him from by letting him watch it later?
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My comparison was actually that people are the same, as in they don't grow (up) overnight & that what they take in is like a seed. Just like a child who is exposed to bullying, they take it home with them and usually it escalates into something bigger (hence, the seed growing). I didn't say children were perfect little angels, of course they have negative behaviors but they're far more innocent than an adult. So if you think "allowing a child to watch anything should be based on that child's ability to comprehend what is real and what is not, as well as the child's ability to understand that what we see is not what we necessarily can do", then why don't we just let our kids watch porn? & "if he comprehends that now than what are you saving him from by letting him watch it later?" Prime example, kids by the age of 18 know and comprehend what alcohol is but they're not allowed to partake legally until they're 21! A 12 year old could drive a car but it's not legal until they're 16! Just because they can comprehend it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea for them to have access to a thing. My point was that since Slenderman represented such a demented & negative concept, I personally disagreed with a parent allowing their 8 year old to take that kind of crap in as entertainment.
 
kennasmom said:
@Seven you bust out the dislikes and disagrees a lot, I am wondering why? I like a lot of your posts a lot, I just don't understand why so many negatives.
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? I've actually hit the "agree" button way more than the dislikes and disagrees, so I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to?
 
Seven said:
My comparison was actually that people are the same, as in they don't grow (up) overnight & that what they take in is like a seed. Just like a child who is exposed to bullying, they take it home with them and usually it escalates into something bigger (hence, the seed growing). I didn't say children were perfect little angels, of course they have negative behaviors but they're far more innocent than an adult. So if you think "allowing a child to watch anything should be based on that child's ability to comprehend what is real and what is not, as well as the child's ability to understand that what we see is not what we necessarily can do", then why don't we just let our kids watch porn? & "if he comprehends that now than what are you saving him from by letting him watch it later?" Prime example, kids by the age of 18 know and comprehend what alcohol is but they're not allowed to partake legally until they're 21! A 12 year old could drive a car but it's not legal until they're 16! Just because they can comprehend it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea for them to have access to a thing. My point was that since Slenderman represented such a demented & negative concept, I personally disagreed with a parent allowing their 8 year old to take that kind of crap in as entertainment
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Yes kids are plants we nurture and grow them and keep all the bad stuff away, and then on day we pick em up out of the ground and eat them and show them all the horrors of the world all at once
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I don't know of any 8 year old that can understand much about sex and its consequences so I guess porn is a non issue in this particular argument.

I don't know of any 8 year old that understands the effects of alcohol and its consequences so I guess that is a non issue in this case.

I don't know of any 8 year olds that can understand the importance of road rules and the consequences so I guess that is a non issue in this case

Don't let your kids watch it then.
 
kennasmom said:
Yes kids are plants we nurture and grow them and keep all the bad stuff away, and then on day we pick em up out of the ground and eat them and show them all the horrors of the world all at once
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I don't know of any 8 year old that can understand much about sex and its consequences so I guess porn is a non issue in this particular argument.

I don't know of any 8 year old that understands the effects of alcohol and its consequences so I guess that is a non issue in this case.

I don't know of any 8 year olds that can understand the importance of road rules and the consequences so I guess that is a non issue in this case

Don't let your kids watch it then.
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Oh brother, are you serious? "& then one day we pick em up out of the ground and eat them and show them all the horrors of the world all at once"... ?!?!! What are you even talking about? Seems you've missed my point entirely and have really taken my example out of context. Since we are talking about children and what they watch, why then would movies be rated G (which is pretty rare these days), PG, PG-13, R, NR, or X?! Apparently, I'm not the only one who feels certain topics should or should not be reviewed by children of a certain age bracket. It also goes without saying that I wouldn't let my daughter " watch it then", so that is a non issue in this case.
 
Seven said:
Oh brother, are you serious? "& then one day we pick em up out of the ground and eat them and show them all the horrors of the world all at once"... ?!?!! What are you even talking about? Seems you've missed my point entirely and have really taken my example out of context. Since we are talking about children and what they watch, why then would movies be rated G (which is pretty rare these days), PG, PG-13, R, NR, or X?! Apparently, I'm not the only one who feels certain topics should or should not be reviewed by children of a certain age bracket. It also goes without saying that I wouldn't let my daughter " watch it then", so that is a non issue in this case.
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They're fucking YouTube videos!! And he's moved on to minecraft videos now... You gonna object to those too? I'll stick to raising my super awesome child and you stick to what you know.. Which is apparently judging parents decisions with their own children... Let it go. My son was and will not be affected by stupid ass slenderman ffs:finger::finger::finger:
 
Piercedprincess666 said:
They're fucking YouTube videos!! And he's moved on to minecraft videos now... You gonna object to those too? I'll stick to raising my super awesome child and you stick to what you know.. Which is apparently judging parents decisions with their own children... Let it go. My son was and will not be affected by stupid ass slenderman ffs:finger::finger::finger:
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Good God, calm yourself before you pop a vein. Not to mention, that was directed to kennasmom not you, since we obviously agreed to disagree. Seems you either haven't experienced that much or people are keeping their opinions to themselves but last I checked, this forum IS largely expressing one's opinion so you can take your misdirected rant elsewhere. As for your comment, porn and beheadings are "fucking YouTube videos" as well, so what's your point? It's ok because it's a "fucking YouTube video"? What do I care, if he's on to minecraft videos now? Grand Theft Auto is probably next but what you choose to entertain your son with is your freakin' decision and my hitting the dislike button was because I disliked that choice. I imagine that's why all those fun little emoticons are there for our choosing. Why don't you tell me which parents I'm judging in their decisions? (& how ironic, since we pretty much make judgement calls on the MANY posts that are on here, to begin with!) I hit an emoticon disagreeing with you, which is par for the course when you post something, anyway. Not everyone agrees. That's LIFE, princess! So you let it go. Our conversation was over as of #128! :gas: Oh and I personally would be thrilled if you and your son were not affected by Slenderman! Wasn't that my first point, anyway?! I disliked the thought of an 8 year old being fed that trash specifically because of the negative way he might be affected! :wait:
 
MichaelJCheaney said:
To me this sounds like the 21st century version of devil worship.
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My daughter has the same morbid interest as I and has visited Creepypasta for years and I don't believe she has ever really believed any f it. It's kind of like an "urban legends" story site. Kind of the like the horror stories I read as a kid in books. Users can submit their own stories of strange events (real or fictional) and then rate and discuss the stories. Slenderman, is like bloody mary or the lepruchan if you will. Just instead of a mirror you type certain words in a chat and he is suppose to show up. Obviously that's not true. No matter how many times I did it for the lolz Slenderman will not show up and kill you or your enemies. There are some actually truly funny videos of this character suprising people on Snap chat out there.

The girls are either lying or they are a few crayons short of a full box if they believed anything on that site is real.
 
MichaelJCheaney said:
Similar to a mentally ill adult who suffers from delusions, girls engrossed in a fantasy world may have believed they were justified in the attempted murder, said Kaser-Boyd, who teaches violence risk assessment and sits on the Los Angeles County Superior Court psychology expert panel that reviews juvenile cases.

Plotting such an action over many weeks, and whispering about it on the bus, as one of the girls told police they did, demonstrates a malevolence, she added.

"There is a sadistic quality to that," she said.


http://on.jsonl.in/1p2x5Hr

Can we please stop with the bullshit excuses about why they should not be held accountable?
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I agree by 12 you should be able to distinguish real from make believe and you certainly know right from wrong. And yes there is a huge sadistic quality to that. The girls are sick in the fucking heads to be able to plot and then carry this out. At no point stopping and saying hey this is stupid and not a good idea at all. Hell the one girl felt zero remorse for what she done which is normal for someone who takes joy in others pain.. Yes that is malevolent and saddistic. At least they got that part right. I don't know if you can fix that kind of deep evil. If this is what they are willing to do to a friend, God help their enemies.
 
2nd Girl In Slender Man Case Unfit For Trial: Attorney
A psychologist has determined the second of two 12-year-old girls charged with stabbing a classmate 19 times in an attempt to please a fictional character called Slender Man has mental health problems that make her unfit to stand trial,
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One of the girls was ordered to receive treatment in August after Judge Michael Bohren decided she wouldn't be able to help with her defense if her case went to trial. The second girl is scheduled for a two-day probable cause hearing next week. Bohren will decide after that whether she should stand trial on charges of attempted first-degree intentional homicide.
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Assistant State Public Defender Joseph Smith Jr., told Bohren in a letter filed in court Tuesday that after hearing from a forensic psychologist he hired to examine the girl, he had reason to doubt his client's competency.


"In his professional opinion she is not presently competent to proceed" with a trial,
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He added that he would give Bohren a written copy of the psychologist's report before a hearing on his request to have the girl's case moved to juvenile court.

Wisconsin law requires anyone accused of certain serious crimes to be charged as adults if they are 10 or older..
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A court-appointed psychologist testified in August that the other girl, who told police she stabbed the victim more than a dozen times, heard voices and believed she could communicate with Slender Man and other fictional characters. There has been no testimony yet in the case about Smith's client's mental health.
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told Bohren he wanted to go ahead with the probable cause hearing and have the judge consider his client's mental state during a reverse waiver hearing that would follow. The reverse waiver hearing is where Bohren will decide whether the girl's case belongs in the adult or juvenile systems.
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has said repeatedly that he hopes to have the case moved to juvenile court. In his letter to Bohren, he expressed concern that if the girl was found unfit to stand trial before the reverse waiver hearing, she would be treated in the adult system and might not receive services appropriate for her age.
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I have always maintained and continue to maintain that the issue of (her) competency is one of the many factors the court should consider in assessing whether to keep (her) in adult court or transfer her to juvenile court," Smith wrote.
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If convicted as adults, each could be locked up for up to 65 years. In the juvenile system, they could not be held past age 25.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/10/morgan-geyser_n_5798828.html?utm_hp_ref=crime
 
Payton Leutner was attacked in a wooded park in late May following a sleepover to celebrate her best friend’s birthday.
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Payton’s mother, Stacie Leutner, told ABC’s “20/20″ that her daughter had asked about Slender Man before the attack because she was scared by stories sent by her friend. Payton told her mother her best friend knew Slender Man was real.

Leutner says she thought it was just a child’s fantasy that Payton’s friend would outgrow.
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http://fox6now.com/2014/09/26/mother-of-12-year-old-victim-in-slenderman-case-speaks-out/
 
Wisconsin 12-year-old accused in 'Slender Man' murder plot competent after mental health treatment: experts
A judge ordered middle schooler Morgan Geyser to undergo psychiatric treatment after she was ruled mentally incompetent earlier this year. Through treatment, she’s improved enough to stand trial, a judge said Wednesday. The 12-year-old and her friend, Annisa Weier, are accused of stabbing their classmate during a May sleepover in a bit to please a fictional fiend named Slender Man.

One of two Wisconsin middle schoolers accused to stabbing a classmate
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is now mentally stable enough to stand trial, experts said Wednesday.


Morgan Geyser has undergone months of psychiatric treatment
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She was deemed mentally incompetent in July, and a judge ordered the treatment in August after a psychologist testified that the 12-year-old claimed to see and hear things others could not, such as unicorns, Voldemort and Slender Man himself.

The treatment helped, a state psychiatrist told the court. Citing a doctor's opinion, Judge Michael Bohlen found Wednesday that Geyser was mentally competent.

But during a hearing next week, Geyser's lawyers will likely either accept the competency ruling or request more hearings and testimony about her mental health.
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Police said Geyser and Weier stabbed the girl 19 times in the Waukesha woods after a Friday night sleepover.
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She survived the attack, but just barely. Doctors said one of the wounds was just a millimeter away from a major heart artery.

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Weier has her own mental competency hearing next month, after experts disagreed over her mental state.

The girls could face up to 65 years in prison if convicted as adults. If convicted as minors, they could be held until they turn 25 years old.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...r-mentally-competent-expert-article-1.2008308
 
SpQa said:
Look at these guys:
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they didn't need any excuses. There was no motive. They just said to each other: "let's do it". Just like that. No empathy. No mercy. No nothing. No soul. ... well, except for Jon, who grew a conscience and hasn't been able to forgive himself (how?)... They were ten at the time. We may think that they didn't have any impulse control... but... in the time lapse of few hours they planned and executed a "crime beyond evil".
And now, these two girls...
"The bad part of me wanted her to die," Weier told the detective. "The good part of me wanted her to live."
"something was wrong"... Morgan Geyser, the accused accomplice, was not so conflicted: "It was weird that I didn't feel remorse," she told a detective, the complaint said. She later added that it was "probably wrong."
On something they were planning from months...

their parents failed on theaching them some emotional intelligence. Nobody taught them to grow a conscience... Or they suffer of some brain damage that didn't let them to develop...
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Jon Venables went back to prison in 2010 for downloading and distributing child porn. It seems he was broken deep down from an early age, and his 'conscience' doesn't mean much.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/23/jon-venables-pleads-guilty
 
ok, this is gonna sound like a ramble, but just hear me out. we have been broken down to think that every loose cannon in society has something else or someone else, or something in their past to blame it on. yeah, that is most people. however, there is always those unicorns, that did not care, will not care, and just do not care. the people with zero moral compass regardless of how they were raised or who raised them. today we call them psychopaths or sociopaths. i suppose we need to try to justify them to ourselves, but you better believe there really are people that have zero concern about anyone other than themselves. but yeah, you better believe it. they are very real, and more likely than not, in your neck of the woods.
 
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i normally call them used-car salesmen, but that is neither here nor
there. (sorry, i had to break my own tension.)
 
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The video of a police interview last year with Anissa Weier, one of the two defendants, was shown in a Wisconsin court today.

Weier, 13, and her friend Morgan Geyser were arrested after allegedly stabbing their friend 19 times and leaving her in the woods.

In the video, the then-12-year-old told a police officer she believed she had to kill or else the “Slender Man” would "kill my whole family in three seconds."

The footage was played in the Waukesha court today at a hearing on whether the two defendants should stand trial as adults, even though they were juveniles at the time of the crime, March 31, 2014.

Detectives also relayed some graphic testimony about the victim's condition, also 12 at the time of the alleged attack, and the stabbing episode.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/slender-ma...pressed-fear-character-kill/story?id=29004277
 
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