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Just one point I want to make. The fact that this was a bank could be a factor. This my field and I can tell you, you need to have a security badge at all times. If not, even if they know you are an employee, you will escorted to security. This is the case at every bank I've dealt with. There is just too much opportunity for crimes if ID policies are not followed. Non employees but show an ID, get a badge and be escorted at all times.

If this had happened at my company and the guy refused to leave, won't give a name, just sits there on his phone, etc, we would also have called the police. Actually, we would have insisted on ID. We need to know who is in our back office area and why.
 
During the incident, Lollie said, he saw his 4-year-old daughter's day care class walking by and initially thought she was there, but she wasn't. The girl's teachers and classmates saw what was happening, he said.

The daughter wasn't there. He wasn't there to pick her up. He mouthed off to a security guard and then the police. Right or wrong, black or white, you play with fire, you get burned. Also, isn't it common practice for police to ask for ID? They have to write up paperwork on every interaction and he would need this info for that. A police state? He wasn't asked to wear said ID on his arm, he wasn't told to get on a train because of a check mark on said id. Don't get me wrong, I had my days of hating the police. Mostly it was when I was doing things I knew I shouldn't...
 
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The daughter wasn't there. He wasn't there to pick her up. He mouthed off to a security guard and then the police. Right or wrong, black or white, you play with fire, you get burned. Also, isn't it common practice for police to ask for ID? They have to write up paperwork on every interaction and he would need this info for that. A police state? He wasn't asked to wear said ID on his arm, he wasn't told to get on a train because of a check mark on said id. Don't get me wrong, I had my days of hating the police. Mostly it was when I was doing things I knew I shouldn't...

Where did you get that he was "mouthing off" to anyone?

How is being mistaken as to whether his daughter was there or not make him guilty of anything?

Common police practice to ask you or not, you're not legally required to provide them ID, in most situations anyways.
 
In the State that this happened in, you are not required to provide ID unless you are being detained for committing a crime. A bench is there for people to sit on. If people or a bank or a store has a problem with people sitting in that location, remove it and post no loitering signs.

Otherwise, it's not a crime.
 
Where did you get that he was "mouthing off" to anyone?

How is being mistaken as to whether his daughter was there or not make him guilty of anything?

Common police practice to ask you or not, you're not legally required to provide them ID, in most situations anyways.

1. "said he was sitting on a chair in a downtown skyway Jan. 31 when a security guard told him it was a private area and he couldn't be there. No signs were posted saying it was private, Lollie said. The guard called police."
- He is already upset at this point, because a security guard told him he couldn't be there.
"said police had responded to a report of Lollie trespassing in a private area and tried to talk to him, and he wouldn't cooperate"
- I assume he is still looking at his cell phone and not responding? Maybe "mouthing off" was the wrong terminology, but this guy is certainly not acting like he is "an innocent guy". I am always sure to at least act innocent when dealing with the police ala "no officer, I had no idea I was going that fast..." or "I had no idea this area was off limits, and that security guard sure is a dick".

2. It doesn't. It put him in the wrong place at the wrong time. If I knew my daughter was going to come walking by with her preschool class any minute, I would have just showed my ID and gone on my way. You can't decide to stand your ground and then point out that it was embarrasing for your daughter because her class witnessed this. It was his decisions that led to his daughter's class witnessing his embarrasment.

3. Legally required or not, and I am sure most law enforcement will agree, the person that refuses to show ID is the guily one 9 out of 10 times. We do not pay them to determine whether it was righteous indignation that caused him to not give his identifying information, it could just as well have been a warrant for his arrest that caused him to refuse. A police officers job is hard enough without the innocent folks giving them a hard time as well.
 
Ain't nobody got time for that. Sounds to me like this guy just wants to be internet famous. That's why he videotaped the incident, that's why he was acting the way that he was and that's why he posted the video on FB and then YouTube.
 
The problem with making excuses for people in authority doing things wrong is that nobody will eventually be immune to this. This is a socioeconomic issue. With each passing day the job of the police is to no longer keep the peace, but to protect the 1% from all of us "riff raff".

Continue to encourage this if you must. But don't be surprised or complain when it comes knocking on your door next time.

Failure to show ID when unlawfully asked to warrants an assault by a police officer according to some of you. Let's see if your opinion changes when you're on the receiving end.
 
Failure to show ID when unlawfully asked to warrants an assault by a police officer according to some of you. Let's see if your opinion changes when you're on the receiving end

I wouldn't be. I would have shown my id and probably have gone home. It's the automatic race card being thrown that I have a problem with. Maybe it stems from a learned mistrust of authority or maybe its this whole Ferguson thing blowing up. The cops weren't screaming the n-word at him, they weren't beating him up (at least there is no evidence to that effect). They asked for id and he refused. ID, not DNA. Then he wrestles with them when they have a problem with his refusal. Maybe it's me... I don't see where showing an ID when you are innocent is such an affront.
 
I wouldn't be. I would have shown my id and probably have gone home. It's the automatic race card being thrown that I have a problem with. Maybe it stems from a learned mistrust of authority or maybe its this whole Ferguson thing blowing up. The cops weren't screaming the n-word at him, they weren't beating him up (at least there is no evidence to that effect). They asked for id and he refused. ID, not DNA. Then he wrestles with them when they have a problem with his refusal. Maybe it's me... I don't see where showing an ID when you are innocent is such an affront.
I'm certainly not going to blame the guy for jumping to that conclusion. Seeing as how it's exhibited over and over and over again. I don't personally know if race was a factor. But I do know that if it were a CEO sitting there, he wouldn't get tased for not showing ID. And not because he was willing to show it. Some of that ilk are even more belligerent than most.
 
my car once ran out of gas...i walked to a gas station and got gas...it was dark when all this was happening...i walk back to my car and start putting the gas in my car..i get stopped by cops and have them run me for warrants and everything...and im as white as white can be...matter of fact i was wearing my army field jacket so its not a "race thing" its a "cop" thing....its what cops do they question suspicious people.....if you cooperate you get off with nothing.....the black guy is the one that turned it into a race thing by defying cops because of what he perceived as racist cop behavior....im sure if i had refused to give my name i would have been tased or beat or whatever....
 
once i lived in a horrible trailer where i paid $150 down and $175 a week because we had just moved and needed a place to live "right that second". anyway, i am a short white woman, and got pulled over at least 3 different times, was never given a ticket, but when i asked, every time, while i was being pulled over, the answer was that i was in a "high crime area". yeah, the shittiest high crime area EVER!
 
The fact that so many are making excuses for what happened here DISGUSTS ME.

Maybe it's because I'm educated about civil liberties. Maybe it's because I lived in the hood for four years and saw first-hand the very palpable difference between how white people and how minorities are treated by police. Maybe it's because I'm aware that "stop & frisk" programs target blacks at two and a half times the rate of white people. Maybe it's because I'm sitting here in an old, ratty hoodie and jeans with a hole in them and I know for a fucking fact that the only reason this guard would have approached me to begin with would have been to spit game because I'm a pretty white lady. Maybe it's because I think it a might bit silly that someone actually suggested we walk around in suits and sweater vests to avoid this sort of thing.

I'm not anti-cop in the least. But I am very anti-unnecessary authoritarianism. These fucking cops weren't the ones who got manhandled and tased after committing no crime. And if you find yourself supporting their overreaction, you find yourself on the wrong side of the argument. You find yourself on the side of the population that thought Hitler was just trying to help Germany. Because this is, quite literally, how it starts.
 
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