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Obamacare Cannot Possibly Work.

malq said:
Why is that a flaw in my argument? When this law hits peoples pocketbooks when the employer mandate hits and they get their 40% increases in premiums this summer, the people with money will make this wildly unpopular law either be repealed or fix it. thats what works. Your pathetic ideology may have got it passed with a pack of lies, but it doesn't hold water. The money does have a bigger say whether you want to like it or not. Your "this is free" attitude is what grabbed my attention. That probably the most uninformed statement I have heard yet.
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I'm not sure where you saw me state "this is free" anywhere in this thread or elsewhere. Please feel free to point it out.
I would like you to clarify what it is EXACTLY that you are so upset about.

Last year, I was paying about $300 per month for healthcare for myself and my daughter, it was about $150 per pay. Which was about 10% of my pay. In exchange for that, I took my daughter to yearly check ups and her pulmonary/allergy specialist once a year. Myself? I went to the VA for my check ups, once a year, and they still charged my BCBS. If you can show me where that was working in my benefit, please do.

At the end of the year, when I filed my taxes, I was informed that next year I would possibly be eligible for a subsidy on my healthcare payments. I thought to myself, nice. Because people in my situation, people who work two fucking jobs to be able to live without ANY government assistance whatsoever, deserve a break for once.

As far as I can see, the AHCA does NOT suddenly give people FREE healthcare who weren’t already getting it, those who do not work, are on welfare and all sorts of programs that were already providing them with healthcare. Seems to me, AHCA alleviates some of the cost to people like me who were absolutely STRUGGLING to make it work, while busting their asses. While simultaneously, no longer allowing the multi millionaires who provide shit for healthcare to their employees to get by without paying what is really required to provide adequate insurance.

Finally, you say the money has a “bigger say”, let’s revisit this topic in a year and see what is happening then.
 
Stepchildren
In general, your spouse's child born within or outside marriage or adopted child is considered to be your stepchild. In addition, the child of your same-sex domestic partner (as described below & certified to your agency) is eligible for coverage under a Self and Family enrollment if you would marry your partner but live in a state that does not recognize same-sex marriage. However, your spouse or same-sex domestic partner’s stepchild (by a previous marriage) is not your stepchild.
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There's more about it too.

http://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/reference-materials/reference/family-members/

I've been using my excellent insurance coverage as a reason for my b/f to marry me but it's not working even though to be compliant with AHCA he pays about $5 per week from his check, has to pay 100% of doctor visits and prescriptions and the hospitalization deductible is $6,500.00.

However he has shelled out for excellent dental insurance. Priorities. Go figure.

I went to the marketplace to see how I would qualify if I didn't have my existing plan (which I did get to keep with zero problems). The message was there was nothing I would need to do. I qualify for medicaid and my children HUSKY. Even though it has long been a law and requirement to have your children covered, none of us had been for many, many years. I have a few thousand in medical debt hitting my credit for two ER visits during that time. Without making it a long story, I worked for someone for many years that did not offer insurance (or vacation, or time off etc.) pretty proud of myself holding it down on my own. Then one day we went to my doctor that went according to your income ($35 a visit for me). I had a fill in doctor who questioned me extensively and I answered it all, thinking it's a doctor I should. He concluded the inquisition that I was a "burden on society" for having children out of wedlock. I never re enrolled them in HUSKY and never re enrolled in state insurance. He reduced me to tears especially since I was doing well, I just simply didn't have an employer who offered me benefits. I busted my ass there working full time, owning a house feeding my family, but that one encounter tore me down. If you qualify for state medical, I say TAKE IT, it fucked me up. There is no shame in it, and frankly, you don't get treated as well by most doctors, but it's something. I have horrible permanent impairments due to Lyme Disease, that should have been treated early on, but paying out of pocket was something I could not do. I have enough to keep my household running. Nothing extra. Since my employment that started November 2012, that $50 out of my check has paid for itself many times over. My daughter had to have a foot specialist and procedures on it...all at $10 a pop and my son a broken arm with the ER bill $50 and $10 copay to the ortho. If I had still been uninsured, that day at the basketball game I would have said "lets just go home and ice it and see how it is" thank God for that insurance that we went the two minute ride right to the ER his elbow was broke and it was a big deal that could have affected him horribly if I waited.
 
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And now that I think of it, I wonder how many uninsured went to the market place to get that message, there's nothing they need to do, they qualify for Title IX. Probably a lot. I'm less interested in how the AHCA will turn out for numbers to sign up than how many uninsured find out they qualify for Title IX while trying to purchase through the AHCA marketplace.
 
There is no doubt that we are being manipulated with the numbers to get past the election.
Here is another facet of this. Jobs are already disappearing by the droves. The definition of a full workweek of 30 hours has cause companies to decrease the amount of workers and reduce the hours to below 30 hours a week to get out of the target of having to supply healthcare.

No longer will you see people having jobs in small businesses where they can make a living. This was predicted long ago. If you want to know whats going on, read investment news. Their slant on politics is geared to the truth because the have to react on reliable and solid information based on fact. There is no gain to spin or slant. their opinions mean more to me than any other news source.

"All of a sudden, the number of workers clocking 31 to 34 hours per week is sinking like a stone.
This segment of workers with usual weekly hours just above the 30-hour mark at which ObamaCare employer penalties apply shrunk by a monthly average of 242,000, or 10%, in the first quarter relative to the same period in 2013, Current Population Survey data show.


Meanwhile, the number working 25 to 29 hours per week, just south of ObamaCare's definition of full time, rose 306,000, or 9%, over the same period.
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The evidence leaves little doubt that ObamaCare's mandate is influencing employer work policies."


http://news.investors.com/politics-...ppear-just-over-obamacare-full-time-level.htm
 
There is another tactic, we used to have 300 employees and pumped out 1 million pounds of finished goods per month.
We now manufacture 300 to 400 thousand pounds per month with 49 people and a whole bunch of pre-fabbed steel from China.

The important number is UNDER 50 employees.

The Chinese seem to be making out very nicely, we have to admit.
 
malq said:
The latest Obamacare surprise is that even if you want to, you will not be able to buy insurance for the next seven months. the exchanges have completely closed down. This is huge!!!!!!!!! It's doing exactly the opposite of what is was supposed to do. This is a prime example of how poorly thought out this plan was. It was a political tool that has backfired on America. who is responsible? no one. If I ran a business like this, I would have been bankrupt, loooong ago

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...y-health-insurance-until-end/?intcmp=HPBucket
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But, how exactly is that a surprise? The Open Enrollment Period lasted for 6 months and the March 31st enrollment deadline was advertised everywhere.

This is NOT an endorsement of the ACA, by the way. I work for an insurance company and agree that it's going to be a massive and costly failure on many fronts.
 
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But, how exactly is that a surprise?
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The surprise is how the media attacked the opposition while the ObamaCare law was being written.
The real surprise is that the TEA party is still vilified by the left and liberal republicans for having the gall to even voice heir opposistion!

Right now, "I told you so" sounds like an Obama sycophant cop-out. Instead, I would like to know why the TEA party is still condemned for voicing an opinion in a reasoned and peaceful manor.

The only reason the TEA party became unified was because of ObamaCare!

The same ObamaCare that the TEA party called a Government overreach with high taxes that WILL fuel an even bigger bloated bureaucracy.

Instead of using reason to open dialogue over the ObamaCare law in it's infancy, a vast majority of educated Americans vilified the TEA party to minimize the message.
Does this not surprise you?

By the way, if you think the TEA party is a bunch of racist, then you base this implied hatred from the liberal media that refused to cover the thousands who rallied peacefully.
When they did cover it, they made sure to not include the many "white" Hispanics, Asians, American Indians and most importantly, conservative or Christian Blacks! My, how liberal psych ops have gotten this good at manipulation.

Now why would they need to hide this? Go ahead and accuse the messenger of wearing tinfoil hats to minimize the possibility being duped by a biased media.

To top it off, there was video posted over 4 years ago of racist TEA party members by liberal instigators who just showed up to disrupt the peaceful gatherings.
How about were a Democrat polling station was vandalized to fuel party hatred got headlined with saturated coverage. Yet 3 days later a Democrat volunteer "who worked in same poll station" gets busted for faking the attack, yet the news dies down in a matter of hours with minimal, if any coverage. Of course, the liberal NBC & MSNBC has no report at all of the truth.
It goes on and on... the fringe whack-jobs on the right get MSM headlines, while most on left side who sprout insanity do not even covered! There are idiots on both side, just the nature of insanity, yet what does NOT get covered is the big surprise.

This is a basic tactic of divide and conquer.
This is a pure form of manipulation and requires apathy to work.
 
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I am too lame to be able to quote anyone's posts...sorry! But just being on disability doesn't entitle your minor children to Medicaid. You still have to fall under income guidelines. I've been disabled since 2005, and started getting SSD in 2008, and my daughter was still a minor...she got a check from Social Security til she was 18. She was not eligible for Medicaid, nor was I (some people, esp. if they get SSI, not SSD, have incomes sufficiently low that they become "dual eligible" for Medicare *and* Medicaid). Anyway, in New York, child support is assessed 'til kids are 21 and they took child support right out of my check til last year so if someone's ex is claiming disability means they don't pay child support they are either lying or sadly mistaken. Send any info you have to the court that assessed the child support...the ex's SS#, address, whatever you have. Her father, on the other hand, simply doesn't work so they won't get the child support he owes (somewhere in the $50k range) til he retires (from being a bum...we were married longer than 10 years so he will get a bigger check using my earnings record rather than his own). Child support is one of the few things they can garnish your Social Security for. I think student loans and back taxes too but child support takes first priority.
 
I honestly don't know a lot about it to have an opinion on it, but I fully support healthcare for all. Tossing people from their insurance plans? Nope...but I also do not believe medical systems should be structured around insurance systems anyway, but...guess that's the way the cookie crumbles. Some demented, symbiotic system going on. Canada is going down the same shitter too, but that's a different thread I suppose.
 
starry1 said:
The original ACA with the single payor plan was a good idea, unfortunately what we got was rewritten by the insurance companies before it was passed. I'm pissed because I lost the good coverage I had through my job. Its still through my job but that plan didn't qualify as affordable, so now I pay more for less coverage.
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SINGLE PAYER is the way to go. The Govt. should pay the fucking bills directly and leave the insurance companies out of it....of course that isn't popular with republicans, so....what we got is what we got. How can this country send billions and billions overseas every year and not be able to provide some basic health coverage for it's citizens?
The Govt paid the bill when they were giving money to hospitals for taking care of the uninsured, but that money has been dwindling for at least the past 15 years, and if you were a working poor person, the hospital would hound you and sue you to get some of their money back. The only people who never seen a bill were the junky/indigent types. So, what we got is a shitty-assed piece of legislation that enriches the insurance companies because that's the ONLY THING that congress would pass. The blame goes to BOTH PARTIES on this piece of shit.
 
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China said:
I schedule the CRNAs for our practice and in the last month there has been at least 7 circumcisions on patients 75 yrs and older. I have no idea why.
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http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/men/9909/20/circumcision.adult/index.html?iref=newssearch

Adult circumcision is not uncommon, though it's also not something a doctor will advise unless a man is experiencing certain health problems, such as balanoposthitis, inflammation of the head of the penis and overlying foreskin, or phimosis, difficulty retracting the foreskin. Both problems are seen more commonly in diabetics, but can occur in any uncircumcised man. They are caused by chronic irritation and scarring and can usually be prevented with careful cleaning beneath the foreskin.
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a urologist will likely prescribe an anti-fungal and anti-inflammatory ointment, which may help clear up the problem -- there is often an associated yeast infection, which thrives in the warm, moist environment created beneath the foreskin
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Another good reason for circumcising your boys when they are infants.
 
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BostonBurns said:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/men/9909/20/circumcision.adult/index.html?iref=newssearch



Another good reason for circumcising your boys when they are infants.
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I have to agree with infant circumcision, my older son was 10 months old when he was circumcized and he had to be put to sleep in the operating room. It became almost inpossible to pull the skin back and clean under it and that had to be done, it stayed irritated and swollen, so the doctor said it would have to be done. It is a traumatizing thing as a infant, but much more traumatizing as toddler. Poor thing, his penis never looked the same after that, almost deformed in a way. I really wished it had been done right after birth.
 
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PS. Calling it "Obamacare" politicized the whole thread, as if the republicans had no say so in the shitty legislation that was passed. Maybe people need to educated themselves on how politics works and stop believing FOX news and their rhetoric
 
BostonBurns said:
SINGLE PAYER is the way to go. The Govt. should pay the fucking bills directly and leave the insurance companies out of it....of course that isn't popular with republicans, so....what we got is what we got. How can this country send billions and billions overseas every year and not be able to provide some basic health coverage for it's citizens?
The Govt paid the bill when they were giving money to hospitals for taking care of the uninsured, but that money has been dwindling for at least the past 15 years, and if you were a working poor person, the hospital would hound you and sue you to get some of their money back. The only people who never seen a bill were the junky/indigent types. So, what we got is a shitty-assed piece of legislation that enriches the insurance companies because that's the ONLY THING that congress would pass. The blame goes to BOTH PARTIES on this piece of shit.
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Where do you think "the government" gets this money? Is it plucked from the magic money tree? You blame Republicans, but when this mess was passed, the Democratic Party had a substantial majority in the House and Senate as well as holding the White House. The Republicans had no say in this legislation.
 
BostonBurns said:
PS. Calling it "Obamacare" politicized the whole thread, as if the republicans had no say so in the shitty legislation that was passed. Maybe people need to educated themselves on how politics works and stop believing FOX news and their rhetoric
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President Obama has used the term himself.



Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT - NV) has used the term; OBAMACARE

 
brokenandtwisted said:
I honestly don't know a lot about it to have an opinion on it, but I fully support healthcare for all. Tossing people from their insurance plans? Nope...but I also do not believe medical systems should be structured around insurance systems anyway, but...guess that's the way the cookie crumbles. Some demented, symbiotic system going on. Canada is going down the same shitter too, but that's a different thread I suppose.
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2:25 - 2:38 It's a clip from the Stephen Colbert show. I never watch it, but I caught it after Tosh.0 the other day. I'm not allowed to imbed it.

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/8l716g/canada-s-booming-middle-class

For the record, I would never call Canadians "ice holes"
 
Pete Bondurant said:
Where do you think "the government" gets this money? Is it plucked from the magic money tree? You blame Republicans, but when this mess was passed, the Democratic Party had a substantial majority in the House and Senate as well as holding the White House. The Republicans had no say in this legislation.
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So, if this legislation went away, do you think that your taxes would go down? They tax the shit of us already Pete, I'd rather see the money go toward a domestic program than financing terrorists by giving money to foreign governments. Also, so much of your insurance premium goes to finance corporate bloat so a system like medicaid/medicare is much more efficeint.
 
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Rockin Ma said:
2:25 - 2:38 It's a clip from the Stephen Colbert show. I never watch it, but I caught it after Tosh.0 the other day. I'm not allowed to imbed it.

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/8l716g/canada-s-booming-middle-class

For the record, I would never call Canadians "ice holes"
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Haha. Well, Canada is fucking expensive. I recently read the average house is nearly double the cost of the average home in America. We could deduce the middle class is spending a majority of their money on housing costs. Also, I went grocery shopping this morning and bought 16 items. Total of 70.56$. Absurd. I paid 1.37$/L of gas this morning, which is like (mental math) $5.30 a gallon.

Anyway, to the point, I find a lot of information on this board erroneous/just flat-out wrong when people compare the medical systems, which is why I didn't bring it up because I don't think it's relevant, and I'm not half in the loop like I once was. I do recall, however, experts recently meeting in...US...Congress? Comparing different medical systems around the world. Canada has a two-tiered public health system. It is not all "free".
 
BostonBurns said:
So, if this legislation went away, do you think that your taxes would go down? They tax the shit of us already Pete, I'd rather see the money go toward a domestic program than financing terrorists by giving money to foreign governments. Also, so much of your insurance premium goes to finance corporate bloat so a system like medicaid/medicare is much more efficeint.
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As long as the Democratic Party has power anywhere...taxes will not go down. The Democratic Party exists becuase of welfare. In order to pay off their voter base, they must raise taxes. There are not enough rich people to tax, so they have to tax everyone who works. This will never end. They will make every illegal alien a US citizen as soon as they get a chance, and then they will control the electorate until the world ends. America is doomed.
 
You need to read Discipline and Punish, Peter. You have some bizarre, bastardized idea of how power relations work. The people previously holding the wealth recreate the wealth, simply because they are in a position to do so...money is never the end-game. This is how power relations work.
 
brokenandtwisted said:
You need to read Discipline and Punish, Peter. You have some bizarre, bastardized idea of how power relations work. The people previously holding the wealth recreate the wealth, simply because they are in a position to do so...money is never the end-game. This is how power relations work.
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All of Peties ideas are bastardized, it's why we love him.:hilarious:
 
brokenandtwisted said:
You need to read Discipline and Punish, Peter. You have some bizarre, bastardized idea of how power relations work. The people previously holding the wealth recreate the wealth, simply because they are in a position to do so...money is never the end-game. This is how power relations work.
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Bitch.
 
Damn, y'all are passionate enough to not disagree, but give me negative points. LOL Are you saying the rich are taxed fairly?
 
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