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disgusted4sho
Open mouth, Insert foot
And here I thought it was racist because the poster clearly indicated only Blue Whales can live out of the water to be lifeguards.:shrug:I thought it was insulting to the other whales. Meh....what do I know
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Kittyskyfish
Trusted Member
Look closely. Let's count what's really going on in this poster.
- Boys running by the blonde lifeguard: Evading arrest, but it's nice to see white and black kids in harmony.
- Boy with glass bottle: Brought in drinks from home, which is wrong. You must buy it at the concession stand.
- Lower-right: Inappropriate touching.
- That's a handstand, not diving. You'll drown kid.
- Kid has a right to yell! There's a Baby Ruth floating in the pool!
Athena
Buzzkill.
Thank you.
I don't even see how shit like this makes it through these days. I, along with four other white coworkers, are redesigning the Engineering Change Order process at work, and building a multi-faceted wiki page to get people information. Our page utilizes graphics. On the canned image site, one theme is called "white people". Now, they are not white human beings, but the utterly nondescript stick men fleshed out into "3D" characters. No eyes, no mouth, no features. But, still, white people.
We laughed about it really uncomfortably for a second, and then decided we needed to find a less "white" character theme. Shit, if we use a thumbnail image of a bunch of hands shaking over a conference table, we switch it out if the arms aren't diverse enough.
Because being racially-blind is not an asset. For white people, it makes it seductively easy to be race-centric. We work for a diverse company. We need to present a diverse image. And we sure as fuck aren't so stupid as to load the colored folk up with the images of bad behavior. My god.
We can't just be not racist. You don't get a gold star for doing what you're supposed to be doing anyway. We all have to be anti-racist, and that means training ourselves to recognize and call out things that even subtly reinforce negative stereotypes. Because, in this PC world of ours, that's mostly all there is left... subtle reinforcement. But, stealing words from one of my local hip-hop duos, Blue Scholars, that's enough to keep the cauldron hot.
MissGuggle
The Notorious V.A.G.
Totally accidentally woke my husband up by laughing when I saw this...! It was just so unexpected!
Wouldn't this be more racist? ^^
& @Athena , thank you for your extremely well-worded post on the topic. I don't think I could've put it better had my life depended on it!
MissGuggle
The Notorious V.A.G.
Son of a bitch, I almost did it again (wake him up)!! Haha!!:hilarious:
Angels Mom
Well-Known Member
Meh...
I'm black and I don't see it. A white kid is carrying a glass bottle and a white kid is chasing around the black boy running around the pool.
I'm black and I don't see it. A white kid is carrying a glass bottle and a white kid is chasing around the black boy running around the pool.
biteme
The Rev, Molon labe
Racist see racism everywhere, no matter how well you word it or how may words you use, it's still bullshit
Just because some racist placed some arrows to make you see it through their eyes
doesn't make it racist, what it does is show how fuck up some people are
Look at it without the racist arrows and if you still find it racist, look in the mirror
Just because some racist placed some arrows to make you see it through their eyes
doesn't make it racist, what it does is show how fuck up some people are
Look at it without the racist arrows and if you still find it racist, look in the mirror
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Angels Mom
Well-Known Member
You what's NOT cool in this poster? The brown "not cool" child to the right of the divide drowning but no one is helping.
Where's the deadbeat Lifeguard with his "Not Cool" arrow?
They're right, letting the brown kid just drown is not cool and possibly racist. LOL
Where's the deadbeat Lifeguard with his "Not Cool" arrow?
They're right, letting the brown kid just drown is not cool and possibly racist. LOL
mynameiskat
Brown Chicken Brown Cow
While we have all been debating the racist views of the American Red Cross we have failed this poor little boy obviously being molested by this Irish, online, pedofile who gained access to the Country by pretending to be a highschool exchange student and in now living with the kind, unsuspecting host family who brought him along for some family water play. A very sad yet totally plausible tale......
myra manes
Veteran Member
Thank you! <3
I don't see anything but mole hills turned into mountains ..
Dutchesse
Well-Known Member
I'm so sick of this bullshit. And I'm sick of corporations and organisations giving in because a bunch of morons on twitter or tumblr scream louder than the reasonable majority.
Why don't we just make everyone on the poster black, would that make them happy? Or even better, why don't we make pools JUST for black people. Then the twitter tards would be pleased, and I'm sure the irony would escape them completely.
Why don't we just make everyone on the poster black, would that make them happy? Or even better, why don't we make pools JUST for black people. Then the twitter tards would be pleased, and I'm sure the irony would escape them completely.
alifinrox
Empath, attention whore
having spent 10 years of my childhood in north sacramento in the 80s, i can def say that whites actually are the minority in some places. i got my ass jumped followed and harassed constantly. so its not as simple as white equals the oppressor in every sitch.
alifinrox
Empath, attention whore
i heard the gang/murder shit in sactown was getting to be worse than compton around the time we moved back up here, in 91 or 92. glad we both made it out!
Pete Bondurant
Veteran Member
That is probably the dumbest fucking thing that I've ever read in my entire life.
This is a racist sign. Do it right, People!
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Pete Bondurant
Veteran Member
Are you still infected with anal parasites?
Anyone who thinks that they behave otherwise needs to spend some time in the Chicago Public School system.
Francyne32
Well-Known Member
After looking at the poster, I see there are BOTH white and black doing cool and un-cool shit.
But I guess people love playing a victim sometimes.
[doublepost=1467287096,1467286486][/doublepost]@Valasca are there not both both white and black children depicting good and bad behavior?
[doublepost=1467287450][/doublepost] if my eyes are working I see both races engaged, since this is that true statement, I'm not sure why the reason for the crap. Please enlighten me on what I not seeing here?
Are both white and black children not misbehaving?
It's things like this that just cheapen the victims of real racism... Not everyone gets to be a victim all the time.
This poster is completely acceptable.
Fact: every race depicted is engaging in acceptable and unacceptable behavior.
Use the race card for real problems.
But I guess people love playing a victim sometimes.
[doublepost=1467287096,1467286486][/doublepost]@Valasca are there not both both white and black children depicting good and bad behavior?
[doublepost=1467287450][/doublepost] if my eyes are working I see both races engaged, since this is that true statement, I'm not sure why the reason for the crap. Please enlighten me on what I not seeing here?
Are both white and black children not misbehaving?
It's things like this that just cheapen the victims of real racism... Not everyone gets to be a victim all the time.
This poster is completely acceptable.
Fact: every race depicted is engaging in acceptable and unacceptable behavior.
Use the race card for real problems.
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Angels Mom
Well-Known Member
Pete's back!!!
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Funny, we're sick of the bullshit as well. Which is why *some* have become overly sensitive, like in situations like these.
[doublepost=1467296306,1467295970][/doublepost]
Funny, we're sick of the bullshit as well. Which is why *some* have become overly sensitive, like in situations like these.
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Valasca
Death, horror, torture
@Francyne32, why are you even tagging me?
NoBS
Well-Known Member
I humbly disagree. The white kid is a KKK Junior Grand Dragon chasing the next lynching recipient. Once I sober up, I see the white kid as my brother chasing my sunburned ass for that daily beating.
Interesting how much emotional dependence is required to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Socialist Justice Warriors fester into immature Drama Queens looking for glory and fame. Vanity of the Shallow rules apply.
Athena
Buzzkill.
What?! A bunch of older white people disliked my post? Shocked. :hilarious:
Let's do the math.
2 white people identified as not cool. 2 identified as cool.
4 black kids identified as uncool. 0 identified as cool.
Of course this isn't overt racism. I don't believe there was some evil white poster artist rubbing their hands together maniacally as they pondered the race war this would set off. But we need to be careful not reinforce racial stereotypes.
An entire quarter of the white population thinks that blacks are inherently less intelligent.
54% of whites think blacks are inherently more violent.
Both are FALSE stereotypes that do an untold amount of damage to the black community. Now, with that premise in mind, does this poster dispel or reinforce those stereotypes?
It's really easy to feel like it's no biggie when you have never and will never suffer the consequences of such stereotypes. But these false stereotypes are the reason we underfund black students, why blacks have a harder time finding employment and are jailed at a dramatically disproportionate rate. It also makes black folk subconsciously feel bad about themselves, when all they see is negative portrayals. But white people see fit to sit around and talk about how the black community needs to fix themselves.
WE, white people, created and largely control this environment. The least we can do is make sure we portray them in a judicious manner. Christ.
Let's do the math.
2 white people identified as not cool. 2 identified as cool.
4 black kids identified as uncool. 0 identified as cool.
Of course this isn't overt racism. I don't believe there was some evil white poster artist rubbing their hands together maniacally as they pondered the race war this would set off. But we need to be careful not reinforce racial stereotypes.
An entire quarter of the white population thinks that blacks are inherently less intelligent.
54% of whites think blacks are inherently more violent.
Both are FALSE stereotypes that do an untold amount of damage to the black community. Now, with that premise in mind, does this poster dispel or reinforce those stereotypes?
It's really easy to feel like it's no biggie when you have never and will never suffer the consequences of such stereotypes. But these false stereotypes are the reason we underfund black students, why blacks have a harder time finding employment and are jailed at a dramatically disproportionate rate. It also makes black folk subconsciously feel bad about themselves, when all they see is negative portrayals. But white people see fit to sit around and talk about how the black community needs to fix themselves.
WE, white people, created and largely control this environment. The least we can do is make sure we portray them in a judicious manner. Christ.
Anubis
Trusted Member
NoBS
Well-Known Member
During the war, the Red Cross needed to keep Allied prisoners alive. They kept the Axis legally accountable. Problem is, back then the cost of global warfare was a reality based on experience, not an academic paper written without the price of the butchers bill. Something that tempers the discipline of wisdom gained with hard experience.
This is why academics tend to fail in the real world, they remove the reality of personal and national sacrifice. Academics who have nothing to lose after the fact, have become too far removed from the harsh realities of human brutalities.
Our society now manufactures unearned wisdom that is gained through social media, not reality. An emotionally driven rule of law, that retards cold hard logic. A logic that requires discipline, not emotional training from Liberal Arts and the touchy-feely rule of law.
The fact that the Red Cross is a convenient scapegoat is obvious, but to connect the Red Cross with the Axis? The same Axis who assassinated Red Cross front line soldiers to hide crimes against humanity. The best part is...
This was the greatest contribution FEMALE soldiers did for both wars.
You social justice warriors really do revise history to justify contempt.
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Athena
Buzzkill.
How then is this helping said stereotype?
Because an individual portrays himself negatively, white people are justified in portraying the black race negatively? Black people need to fix their own image before they can expect us to portray them judiciously?
False and really ought to be false.
There is no excuse for whites who contribute to, adopt or tolerate negative stereotypes about blacks. Certainly not because 50 Cent, a musician and actor, took a dramatic picture.
Anubis
Trusted Member
I never said that white people are justified portraying black people negatively...I am merely suggesting that the true harm comes from within. You really think that the above swimming rules poster has a more negative impact on stereotypes, than people like Mr. Cent?
ETA: Why are we assuming the poster's creator is white?
Athena
Buzzkill.
The true harm comes from within? No, this is not a scenario in which, "You did this to yourself," applies. White people were believing black folk were stupid and violent loooooooooooong before 50 Cent came around. White people were still believing black folk were stupid and violent when Italians and Irishmen were the country's gangsters and the likes of Ella Fitzgerald or Sammy Davis Jr. graced the airwaves and stages.
But, decades later, exactly nothing black people can do convinces whites that they're not stupid, violent boogeymen. A relative handful of black folks thought, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em," and started taking advantage of the long-established stereotype to sell records, and this is somehow their fault?
True enough, 50 Cent isn't helping. But for as long as we're still contributing to it, we can't bitch about them finally buying into it and perpetuating it. And for as long as we're still contributing to it, they have no real motivation to stop, do they?
Beyond that, no, this one little swimming poster has not done more damage to the black image than 50 Cent. But the type of negative stereotype reinforcement featured in the poster absolutely has, cumulatively. The fact that it's unintentional makes it insidious. I mean, they managed to portray minorities negatively without even meaning to. And a bunch of white people looked at it and saw nothing wrong with it. That's the part that speaks to the collective white mindset.
When racial representation is as substantially imbalanced as it is in America, it takes consciousness and a modicum of effort for the majority to be equitable to minorities. It's our duty as decent people. This poster may be a most trivial failure, but it's still a failure.
lithiumgirl
Pretty Nice Troll
I think it would be more racist if there were no African Americans in the poster at all.
I don't see any fat people getting pissed about the whale in the corner
Well I did get real upset about it, but I just kept it to myself, cause you know us fat folks just eat when we're upset.
Personally, I think the only thing to take away from that poster is the fact that it was designed, approved, created, and has been used for the last two years without a complaint. From anyone of any color.
Red Cross won't win even if they change the poster.
In this asinine, ultra-pc world we currently live in, the only way they can make sure no one is offended is to evenly hash-out the Cool and Not Cool between the colors, have a Not Cool on a white kid not checking his privilege, show a girl in a boys bathing suit, a boy in girl's bathing suit, get rid of the white lifeguard because misogyny, get rid of the abused whale impaled on the fence, and change the color of the person holding the drink - as it could be interpreted as a Hispanic and fostering some kind of alcoholism stereotype.
They already have the pedophile and no black father figures, so that's a start.
Red Cross won't win even if they change the poster.
In this asinine, ultra-pc world we currently live in, the only way they can make sure no one is offended is to evenly hash-out the Cool and Not Cool between the colors, have a Not Cool on a white kid not checking his privilege, show a girl in a boys bathing suit, a boy in girl's bathing suit, get rid of the white lifeguard because misogyny, get rid of the abused whale impaled on the fence, and change the color of the person holding the drink - as it could be interpreted as a Hispanic and fostering some kind of alcoholism stereotype.
They already have the pedophile and no black father figures, so that's a start.
lithiumgirl
Pretty Nice Troll
I agree with this...I used to work in a call centre...it was the worst job ever.
I'm Canadian and we had to call America, a lot, like for twelve hours straight a day.
Alabama was the worst...they were the only people that would try to have a conversation
with me while the TV was blaring, dogs were barking and kids were screaming in the back
ground...total chaos. Also the only people you could hear screaming "Who the fuck is
on the phone" at a small child who picked the call. And also the only people
that abused their children for the same reason...Like you're on the line and can hear everything
and what you hear is swearing...hitting and crying. (those calls messed up your
whole day) We were allowed to disconnect, take a moment walk around the room
compose ourselves for a minute, before back to work because it fucks you up.
I never considered myself a racist until I took that job...but some of these people
are fucking disgusting. So I agree...fix your own image, i never had
an image of black people until they painted the picture for me.
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