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Daesh/ Isis Sex Slaves For Sale On Facebook.

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The woman is young, perhaps 18, with olive skin and dark bangs that droop onto her face. In the Facebook photo, she attempts to smile but doesn’t look at her photographer.

The caption mentions a single biographical fact: She is for sale.

“To all the bros thinking about buying a slave, this one is $8,000,” begins the May 20 Facebook posting, which was attributed to an Islamic State fighter who calls himself Abu Assad Almani. The same man posted a second image a few hours later, this one a pale young face with weepy red eyes.

“Another sabiyah [slave], also about $8,000,” the posting reads. “Yay, or nay?”

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Social-media sites used by Islamic State fighters in recent months have included numerous accounts of the buying and selling of sex slaves, as well the promulgation of formal rules for dealing with them. The guidelines cover such topics as whether it’s possible to have sex with prepubescent prisoners — yes, the Islamic State’s legal experts say — and how severely a slave can be beaten.

But until the May 20 incident, there were no known instances of Islamic State fighters posting photographs of female captives being offered for sale. The photos of the two unidentified women appeared only briefly before being deleted by Facebook, but the images were captured by the Middle East Media Research Institute, a Washington nonprofit group that monitors jihadists’ social-media accounts.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...p_hp-top-table-main_isis-835pm:homepage/story
 
I feel that the government's fighting ISIS should issue a order stating that all ISIS fighters who partake in the sex slave trade will be executed via being fed into a wood chipper feet first with the outtake shooting their shredded remains into a pig pen.

A amnesty period to free slaved should be given. After that off a few fuckers in the way stated above and post videos online as an example.

But all ISIS fighters should be executed for crimes against humanity.
 
Why is it, that we're so damn afraid to actually DO something about Islam, about Wahhabism and about Isis?

Here we have solid gold proof of women being sold as fucking sex slaves by these filthy pigs - yet Facebook allows the 'ads'. They'll take down a picture of a woman breastfeeding her child, or a man sitting in the shower with his sick baby in his lap. They'll censor photos of women's breasts as though its somehow shameful or perverse for a woman to show her breasts, but they are OK with advertising the sexual slavery of kidnapped women in this part of the world?

We know full well they're using Facebook and Twitter to communicate, to plot and plan. 9 days ago these ad's went up. The article says they were 'quickly' taken down. Not quickly enough, if 9 days later we can see a news article notifying that this took place. Where is Facebook and that idiot running the show over there, coming out loud and clear, scrying this sickening shit?

We hear Muslims from all around the world, whether they openly support Isis or not, braying hatred for the Jews. Screaming for the eradication of Israel and every Jew living there.

We sit back and let them deny women education, civil rights, basic freedoms. The insistence on wrapping women in bedsheets to hide their bodies and faces.

We see women and girls slaughtered so as to 'protect' the 'honour' of their families. Rape victims vilified and often killed, women stoned for being 'caught' communicating with men they are not related to, married to, or owned by.

We sit back and tsk tsk, but allow the genital mutilation of little girls to occur, where their clitorises are SCRAPED from their little bodies with a rock and their vulva's sewn closed, leaving tiny openings designed to be torn open brutally by their husbands upon marriage - assuming they don't die from shock, blood loss or infection as a result of the torture visited upon them.

They will never experience sexual pleasure after this. They often have genuine lifelong problems with menstruating, with urinating and defecating. With enduring their husband's desires for sexual penetration and with childbirth. And of course, those poor women who do have these troubles as a direct result of FGM? Are shunned. Discriminated against. Ostracized. Left to suffer in pain, in misery, in discomfort and fear. (Look up the women in Somalia who are homeless, beaten, robbed, raped and tormented, because they can't 'keep themselves clean' due to bladder and bowel incontinence from FGM.)

We sit back and watch their nation's slowly implode with civil unrest and violence, poverty, lack of opportunities and sheer human misery - then open our doors for when they flood to our modern democracies for aid and seek asylum.

Yet we allow them to bring all the ideas and beliefs with them. And we let them continue to practice this lifestyle, culture and religion when they're amongst us, eventually building up enough adherents both with immigration and large birthed families, so that they then can turn around and start demanding change in order to suit them.

We seem so scared to stand up and say 'we do not follow this methodology or way of life. It is simply incompatible with our way.' If you do try to say this openly, you are decried and shunned, as a bigot, or a racist or an Islamaphobe.

We seem to want to turn a blind eye to the misery these beliefs and this political ideology cause, millions of Muslims, living in misery, in squalor, in fear, in ignorance. Until they arrive on our shores, demanding their human rights, our welfare, our housing, our jobs, our rights and benefits - all the whilst, insisting on carrying the Islamic monkey on their back. 'Inshallah, they say. As God Wills It'. They are famously phlegmatic, until they feel their Prophet or their faith or their culture, or their political state is being disrespected, or shamed. They miraculously come to life then. Murdering film makers, putting out death threats, demanding that certain 'infidels' deserve to die for not kowtowing to their beliefs and faith. They blame the Jews for every conceivable and inconceivable problem in their lives and believe that the eradication of the Jewish race and the Jewish state will magically fix everything. Because 'inshallah.'

And all of this I have mentioned, with the exception of the advertising of sex slaves, are actions, behaviours and choices committed by and made by, normal, 'non-terrorism' Muslims and 'normal' Islamic nations. By these supposed Moderates.

Why are we so afraid to just say 'no'. And 'we do not accept this'? Why do we keep pumping foreign aid into these nation's, and then continually accepting tides of migrants and refugee seekers from the same nations?

Why do we continue to share our scientific, medical and cultural advances, discoveries and breakthroughs with them? They certainly grasp onto the benefits that we have. No matter how poor, how ignorant, how downtrodden, no matter how unsafe they may be in their home country of origin, they have smartphones and internet access. They have electricity and running water. They have hospitals filled with professionals trained in Western medicine. Tools and equipment invented to save lives.

They have household appliances, air conditioning, cars, trucks, planes etc etc. They certainly grasp the inventions of the rest of the world with both hands, whilst demanding the right to live their way - until they want to come to our nation's and have even better access to even better things. All whilst insisting on the right to drag that monkey on their back with them - and being violently opposed to any reason, debate or difference in opinion over their beliefs and faith.

All of us, all Western nations, have had some of our Muslim citizens bolt off to Syria to join Isis. And these are the kids of the initial migrants and asylum seekers. They are keeping their Islamic life, faith, culture and beliefs alive and well at home, in their mosques and schools. In the isolated communities we allowed them to enclave to. And they are raising a new generation of men and women who are obscenely fundamental. Who grew up amongst us, with every opportunity at their fingertips - their families and communities made damn sure though, that they stayed 'true'. And its these young idiots who flounce off to fight and die, to marry and die, in that Isis hellhole utopia they think so highly of.

But we don't sit back and ask ourselves what we did wrong. Where we went wrong as societies to have this breed amongst us, under our noses. We're too afraid of being decried a bigot, a racist or an Islamaphobe.

With our own respective nation's - we sit here and go 'oh wow, that's sick' when we see an article that says 'Isis selling sex slaves on Facebook'. And then we ultimately push it to the back of our minds and stay away from such an inflammatory topic.

We invaded Afghanistan, we invaded Libya, we got involved in the so-called Arab Spring in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt, we tried to incite it in other ME nations. We invaded Iraq twice on questionable moral and ethical standpoints, we stand back whike Syria and Iraq burn - and whike Yemen is being shredded in a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Or more accurately, between fucking Sunni and fucking Shiite Muslims.

Yet we sit back now, when it really is time to fix this nightmare for once and for all, and we just don't do anything. We don't draw a line in the sand with Saudi Arabia. Or Iran for that matter. We pump billions yearly into Africa and the ME in aid and share everything with them, but still take in huge numbers of their citizens.

Enough is enough. It is beyond time that we addressed the big ass elephant in the room and admitted that Islam is a gigantic problem and that not only are Muslims paying the consequences of this ideology, faith and political state - but so are all of us.

We give this section of humanity and this ideology far more power, on a multitude of levels, than it honestly deserves.

Sorry for the mega rant.
 
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Podargus said:
Oil.

Awesome rant, btw.
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Thanks :) I used to think it was just about oil too - and oil absolutely has played a gigantic part in all of this. It only remains a large part due to the massive financial interwoven complexities - a lot of people are now very powerful and very rich thanks to companies and corporations set up, along various stops of the oil supply chain. The same people keeping us chained to fossil fuels as a primary resource instead of moving away from it.

I hope the doomsayers are telling the truth and that we really are running the fuck out of oil. Nothing would make me happier then to see the Saudi's and thus, Wahhabism, lose the power we give them, and slink back into the hole they crawled out of.


We act like the Saudi's have so much power for sitting on that oil. We could reverse that power overnight if we wanted to. They need the West - and everyone else to buy their oil. They are a nation built solely around oil. Their sole other export is Wahhabism - Islamic Terrorism. They need us so much more than the rest of the world needs them. But that would impact the power, money and control that a handful of people have. And that, apparently, simply cannot happen.
 
sarahdownunder said:
Why is it, that we're so damn afraid to actually DO something about Islam, about Wahhabism and about Isis?

Here we have solid gold proof of women being sold as fucking sex slaves by these filthy pigs - yet Facebook allows the 'ads'. They'll take down a picture of a woman breastfeeding her child, or a man sitting in the shower with his sick baby in his lap. They'll censor photos of women's breasts as though its somehow shameful or perverse for a woman to show her breasts, but they are OK with advertising the sexual slavery of kidnapped women in this part of the world?

We know full well they're using Facebook and Twitter to communicate, to plot and plan. 9 days ago these ad's went up. The article says they were 'quickly' taken down. Not quickly enough, if 9 days later we can see a news article notifying that this took place. Where is Facebook and that idiot running the show over there, coming out loud and clear, scrying this sickening shit?

We hear Muslims from all around the world, whether they openly support Isis or not, braying hatred for the Jews. Screaming for the eradication of Israel and every Jew living there.

We sit back and let them deny women education, civil rights, basic freedoms. The insistence on wrapping women in bedsheets to hide their bodies and faces.

We see women and girls slaughtered so as to 'protect' the 'honour' of their families. Rape victims vilified and often killed, women stoned for being 'caught' communicating with men they are not related to, married to, or owned by.

We sit back and tsk tsk, but allow the genital mutilation of little girls to occur, where their clitorises are SCRAPED from their little bodies with a rock and their vulva's sewn closed, leaving tiny openings designed to be torn open brutally by their husbands upon marriage - assuming they don't die from shock, blood loss or infection as a result of the torture visited upon them.

They will never experience sexual pleasure after this. They often have genuine lifelong problems with menstruating, with urinating and defecating. With enduring their husband's desires for sexual penetration and with childbirth. And of course, those poor women who do have these troubles as a direct result of FGM? Are shunned. Discriminated against. Ostracized. Left to suffer in pain, in misery, in discomfort and fear. (Look up the women in Somalia who are homeless, beaten, robbed, raped and tormented, because they can't 'keep themselves clean' due to bladder and bowel incontinence from FGM.)

We sit back and watch their nation's slowly implode with civil unrest and violence, poverty, lack of opportunities and sheer human misery - then open our doors for when they flood to our modern democracies for aid and seek asylum.

Yet we allow them to bring all the ideas and beliefs with them. And we let them continue to practice this lifestyle, culture and religion when they're amongst us, eventually building up enough adherents both with immigration and large birthed families, so that they then can turn around and start demanding change in order to suit them.

We seem so scared to stand up and say 'we do not follow this methodology or way of life. It is simply incompatible with our way.' If you do try to say this openly, you are decried and shunned, as a bigot, or a racist or an Islamaphobe.

We seem to want to turn a blind eye to the misery these beliefs and this political ideology cause, millions of Muslims, living in misery, in squalor, in fear, in ignorance. Until they arrive on our shores, demanding their human rights, our welfare, our housing, our jobs, our rights and benefits - all the whilst, insisting on carrying the Islamic monkey on their back. 'Inshallah, they say. As God Wills It'. They are famously phlegmatic, until they feel their Prophet or their faith or their culture, or their political state is being disrespected, or shamed. They miraculously come to life then. Murdering film makers, putting out death threats, demanding that certain 'infidels' deserve to die for not kowtowing to their beliefs and faith. They blame the Jews for every conceivable and inconceivable problem in their lives and believe that the eradication of the Jewish race and the Jewish state will magically fix everything. Because 'inshallah.'

And all of this I have mentioned, with the exception of the advertising of sex slaves, are actions, behaviours and choices committed by and made by, normal, 'non-terrorism' Muslims and 'normal' Islamic nations. By these supposed Moderates.

Why are we so afraid to just say 'no'. And 'we do not accept this'? Why do we keep pumping foreign aid into these nation's, and then continually accepting tides of migrants and refugee seekers from the same nations?

Why do we continue to share our scientific, medical and cultural advances, discoveries and breakthroughs with them? They certainly grasp onto the benefits that we have. No matter how poor, how ignorant, how downtrodden, no matter how unsafe they may be in their home country of origin, they have smartphones and internet access. They have electricity and running water. They have hospitals filled with professionals trained in Western medicine. Tools and equipment invented to save lives.

They have household appliances, air conditioning, cars, trucks, planes etc etc. They certainly grasp the inventions of the rest of the world with both hands, whilst demanding the right to live their way - until they want to come to our nation's and have even better access to even better things. All whilst insisting on the right to drag that monkey on their back with them - and being violently opposed to any reason, debate or difference in opinion over their beliefs and faith.

All of us, all Western nations, have had some of our Muslim citizens bolt off to Syria to join Isis. And these are the kids of the initial migrants and asylum seekers. They are keeping their Islamic life, faith, culture and beliefs alive and well at home, in their mosques and schools. In the isolated communities we allowed them to enclave to. And they are raising a new generation of men and women who are obscenely fundamental. Who grew up amongst us, with every opportunity at their fingertips - their families and communities made damn sure though, that they stayed 'true'. And its these young idiots who flounce off to fight and die, to marry and die, in that Isis hellhole utopia they think so highly of.

But we don't sit back and ask ourselves what we did wrong. Where we went wrong as societies to have this breed amongst us, under our noses. We're too afraid of being decried a bigot, a racist or an Islamaphobe.

With our own respective nation's - we sit here and go 'oh wow, that's sick' when we see an article that says 'Isis selling sex slaves on Facebook'. And then we ultimately push it to the back of our minds and stay away from such an inflammatory topic.

We invaded Afghanistan, we invaded Libya, we got involved in the so-called Arab Spring in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt, we tried to incite it in other ME nations. We invaded Iraq twice on questionable moral and ethical standpoints, we stand back whike Syria and Iraq burn - and whike Yemen is being shredded in a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Or more accurately, between fucking Sunni and fucking Shiite Muslims.

Yet we sit back now, when it really is time to fix this nightmare for once and for all, and we just don't do anything. We don't draw a line in the sand with Saudi Arabia. Or Iran for that matter. We pump billions yearly into Africa and the ME in aid and share everything with them, but still take in huge numbers of their citizens.

Enough is enough. It is beyond time that we addressed the big ass elephant in the room and admitted that Islam is a gigantic problem and that not only are Muslims paying the consequences of this ideology, faith and political state - but so are all of us.

We give this section of humanity and this ideology far more power, on a multitude of levels, than it honestly deserves.

Sorry for the mega rant.
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Usually I ignore your anti-islam rants for personal reasons but I'm curious. In two sentences or less (if that's possible), what do you think should be done with all Muslims? Killed?
 
sarahdownunder said:
Why is it, that we're so damn afraid to actually DO something about Islam, about Wahhabism and about Isis?

Here we have solid gold proof of women being sold as fucking sex slaves by these filthy pigs - yet Facebook allows the 'ads'. They'll take down a picture of a woman breastfeeding her child, or a man sitting in the shower with his sick baby in his lap. They'll censor photos of women's breasts as though its somehow shameful or perverse for a woman to show her breasts, but they are OK with advertising the sexual slavery of kidnapped women in this part of the world?

We know full well they're using Facebook and Twitter to communicate, to plot and plan. 9 days ago these ad's went up. The article says they were 'quickly' taken down. Not quickly enough, if 9 days later we can see a news article notifying that this took place. Where is Facebook and that idiot running the show over there, coming out loud and clear, scrying this sickening shit?

We hear Muslims from all around the world, whether they openly support Isis or not, braying hatred for the Jews. Screaming for the eradication of Israel and every Jew living there.

We sit back and let them deny women education, civil rights, basic freedoms. The insistence on wrapping women in bedsheets to hide their bodies and faces.

We see women and girls slaughtered so as to 'protect' the 'honour' of their families. Rape victims vilified and often killed, women stoned for being 'caught' communicating with men they are not related to, married to, or owned by.

We sit back and tsk tsk, but allow the genital mutilation of little girls to occur, where their clitorises are SCRAPED from their little bodies with a rock and their vulva's sewn closed, leaving tiny openings designed to be torn open brutally by their husbands upon marriage - assuming they don't die from shock, blood loss or infection as a result of the torture visited upon them.

They will never experience sexual pleasure after this. They often have genuine lifelong problems with menstruating, with urinating and defecating. With enduring their husband's desires for sexual penetration and with childbirth. And of course, those poor women who do have these troubles as a direct result of FGM? Are shunned. Discriminated against. Ostracized. Left to suffer in pain, in misery, in discomfort and fear. (Look up the women in Somalia who are homeless, beaten, robbed, raped and tormented, because they can't 'keep themselves clean' due to bladder and bowel incontinence from FGM.)

We sit back and watch their nation's slowly implode with civil unrest and violence, poverty, lack of opportunities and sheer human misery - then open our doors for when they flood to our modern democracies for aid and seek asylum.

Yet we allow them to bring all the ideas and beliefs with them. And we let them continue to practice this lifestyle, culture and religion when they're amongst us, eventually building up enough adherents both with immigration and large birthed families, so that they then can turn around and start demanding change in order to suit them.

We seem so scared to stand up and say 'we do not follow this methodology or way of life. It is simply incompatible with our way.' If you do try to say this openly, you are decried and shunned, as a bigot, or a racist or an Islamaphobe.

We seem to want to turn a blind eye to the misery these beliefs and this political ideology cause, millions of Muslims, living in misery, in squalor, in fear, in ignorance. Until they arrive on our shores, demanding their human rights, our welfare, our housing, our jobs, our rights and benefits - all the whilst, insisting on carrying the Islamic monkey on their back. 'Inshallah, they say. As God Wills It'. They are famously phlegmatic, until they feel their Prophet or their faith or their culture, or their political state is being disrespected, or shamed. They miraculously come to life then. Murdering film makers, putting out death threats, demanding that certain 'infidels' deserve to die for not kowtowing to their beliefs and faith. They blame the Jews for every conceivable and inconceivable problem in their lives and believe that the eradication of the Jewish race and the Jewish state will magically fix everything. Because 'inshallah.'

And all of this I have mentioned, with the exception of the advertising of sex slaves, are actions, behaviours and choices committed by and made by, normal, 'non-terrorism' Muslims and 'normal' Islamic nations. By these supposed Moderates.

Why are we so afraid to just say 'no'. And 'we do not accept this'? Why do we keep pumping foreign aid into these nation's, and then continually accepting tides of migrants and refugee seekers from the same nations?

Why do we continue to share our scientific, medical and cultural advances, discoveries and breakthroughs with them? They certainly grasp onto the benefits that we have. No matter how poor, how ignorant, how downtrodden, no matter how unsafe they may be in their home country of origin, they have smartphones and internet access. They have electricity and running water. They have hospitals filled with professionals trained in Western medicine. Tools and equipment invented to save lives.

They have household appliances, air conditioning, cars, trucks, planes etc etc. They certainly grasp the inventions of the rest of the world with both hands, whilst demanding the right to live their way - until they want to come to our nation's and have even better access to even better things. All whilst insisting on the right to drag that monkey on their back with them - and being violently opposed to any reason, debate or difference in opinion over their beliefs and faith.

All of us, all Western nations, have had some of our Muslim citizens bolt off to Syria to join Isis. And these are the kids of the initial migrants and asylum seekers. They are keeping their Islamic life, faith, culture and beliefs alive and well at home, in their mosques and schools. In the isolated communities we allowed them to enclave to. And they are raising a new generation of men and women who are obscenely fundamental. Who grew up amongst us, with every opportunity at their fingertips - their families and communities made damn sure though, that they stayed 'true'. And its these young idiots who flounce off to fight and die, to marry and die, in that Isis hellhole utopia they think so highly of.

But we don't sit back and ask ourselves what we did wrong. Where we went wrong as societies to have this breed amongst us, under our noses. We're too afraid of being decried a bigot, a racist or an Islamaphobe.

With our own respective nation's - we sit here and go 'oh wow, that's sick' when we see an article that says 'Isis selling sex slaves on Facebook'. And then we ultimately push it to the back of our minds and stay away from such an inflammatory topic.

We invaded Afghanistan, we invaded Libya, we got involved in the so-called Arab Spring in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt, we tried to incite it in other ME nations. We invaded Iraq twice on questionable moral and ethical standpoints, we stand back whike Syria and Iraq burn - and whike Yemen is being shredded in a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Or more accurately, between fucking Sunni and fucking Shiite Muslims.

Yet we sit back now, when it really is time to fix this nightmare for once and for all, and we just don't do anything. We don't draw a line in the sand with Saudi Arabia. Or Iran for that matter. We pump billions yearly into Africa and the ME in aid and share everything with them, but still take in huge numbers of their citizens.

Enough is enough. It is beyond time that we addressed the big ass elephant in the room and admitted that Islam is a gigantic problem and that not only are Muslims paying the consequences of this ideology, faith and political state - but so are all of us.

We give this section of humanity and this ideology far more power, on a multitude of levels, than it honestly deserves.

Sorry for the mega rant.
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Standing ovation!!!
 
sarahdownunder said:
We sit back and watch their nation's slowly implode with civil unrest and violence, poverty, lack of opportunities and sheer human misery - t
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That's not entirely true. Many western gov'ts, and i'm proud to say my own, actually take measures to promote the disintegration and destabilization of some of these nations. We encourage that, knowing the terrorists will flood in. It prevents them from focusing efforts on us, and it creates a fish in a barrel type of effect where all the fuckers flood into one place. Makes em easier to kill.

sarahdownunder said:
We invaded Iraq twice on questionable moral and ethical standpoints
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??? What was immoral/unethical about it?

sarahdownunder said:
Yet we sit back now, when it really is time to fix this nightmare for once and for all, and we just don't do anything. We don't draw a line in the sand with Saudi Arabia. Or Iran for that matter. We pump billions yearly into Africa and the ME in aid and share everything with them, but still take in huge numbers of their citizens.
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Not really sitting back on the whole ISIS thing. Pretty much constant bombing has been taking place in Iraq/Syria for nearly 2 years now.

And Saudi Arabia is good for the West. They're one of Americas top 3 arms importers for example, might be #1 actually. Those are some BIG dollars for American corporations like Lockheed Martin and others. Plus, any "ally" in that region is a good thing in the grand scheme of things, be it the human rights violating, shitbag country of Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Why turn our backs on nations like that? Look out for ourselves first, worry about other folks later, or never, who gives a shit.

We should find a way to befriend Iran as well. These more stable, wealthier nations can be very good for us.
 
Angels Mom said:
Usually I ignore your anti-islam rants for personal reasons but I'm curious. In two sentences or less (if that's possible), what do you think should be done with all Muslims? Killed?
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Too complex a problem for 2 sentences or less. And I can't tell if you're being bitchy or genuinely sincere in asking me if I think we should kill nearly 2 billion people.

Frankly, that idea doesn't even deserve thinking about. Of course not.
 
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sarahdownunder said:
Too complex a problem for 2 sentences or less. And yes, of course. Of course I think slaughtering every man, woman and child (nearly 2 billion of tbem) who believe in this.

This kind of 'shut down debate' with nonsense like that, is exactly why we're in the shit we're in now.

Don't be rude. I've never been rude to you. I respect your right to opinions on areas I simply don't agree with you in. Kindly give me the same. And tell me where anything I've said is incorrect.
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What part of my question to you was rude? You possibly read it with a tone of that wasn't implied, however, that's not how it was said.

I have no clue if you want to kill them all since you use blanket words such as "Islam, Muslims, They,Them" which is why I asked because when *I* read your posts I see hatred for a group of people, as a whole. Which is why I asked.

So I will ask again, what do you believe should be done with all Muslims?
 
Angels Mom said:
What part of my question to you was rude? You possibly read it with a tone of that wasn't implied, however, that's not how it was said.

I have no clue if you want to kill them all since you use blanket words such as "Islam, Muslims, They,Them" which is why I asked because when *I* read your posts I see hatred for a group of people, as a whole. Which is why I asked.

So I will ask again, what do you believe should be done with all Muslims?
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I was literally just changing my post as your response alert came through. It's now edited. I apologize, I took your post to be hostile. That's my fault. I'm sorry.

I don't hate 'all Muslim's'. I hate the consequences that arise from their beliefs. And I hate that its always women and children who suffer the most from their beliefs.

I hate that they are so phlegmatic, so immoveably determined to retain their beliefs, despite the misery it brings to tens of millions of them. And I hate that when everything gets too unsafe and miserable in their own home nations where they insist on following the culture and political views tbaf their beliefs dictate, they run to our nations - and yet still bring those damn beliefs with them.

I don't hate the people who are Muslims. But I do hate the Muslims who individually, use portions of their beliefs to visit misery on people who do not follow Islam. Like terrorism. Like support for dhimmi. Like braying for the death of every single Jew.

And I hate that we have gotten so afraid to offend them, or upset them in any way, because they really do, go bloody batshit if you don't have similar reverence for their beliefs. That's crazy. We stood up to Hitler for trying his best to slaughter every Jew out there. Why do we stay silent, whike the entire ME region calls for a repeat on the Holocaust? If the US wasn't standing side by side with Israel, those people would be dead. And they've tried to kill them. Theres been tremendous violent conflict against Israel.

What do I think should be done? Draw a line. They are free to believe what they want. But i do believe they need to wipe out Wahhabism. They need to undergo a literal Reformation. Their religion needs a rewrite. And a separation between church and state.

If they don't want to follow the Christianity Enlightenment path. OK. Fine. Stay within those Islamic nations. Relocate to them. Practice your faith there. But no more migration West, with an unenlightened form of this religion running amok. No more aid. Let them live their lives, exactly how they want to - submitting to Islam. No more riding the coattails of the rest of the world with achievements. Allah will provide, allegedly.

All cultures are not created equal. And not all cultures can combine with relative peace and harmony. The human race has proven that too many times since the cavemen. If they want Islam and these sickening ideals - rock on. Have it. But stop running to the West to make it all better, to make life easier and more luxurious. Face up and fix the problems your precious beliefs have created. Reform.

Again, sorry for the meg long post. Its hard to get out what I'm thinking in a shorter form.
 
sarahdownunder said:
I was literally just changing my post as your response alert came through. It's now edited. I apologize, I took your post to be hostile. That's my fault. I'm sorry.

I don't hate 'all Muslim's'. I hate the consequences that arise from their beliefs. And I hate that its always women and children who suffer the most from their beliefs.

I hate that they are so phlegmatic, so immoveably determined to retain their beliefs, despite the misery it brings to tens of millions of them. And I hate that when everything gets too unsafe and miserable in their own home nations where they insist on following the culture and political views tbaf their beliefs dictate, they run to our nations - and yet still bring those damn beliefs with them.

I don't hate the people who are Muslims. But I do hate the Muslims who individually, use portions of their beliefs to visit misery on people who do not follow Islam. Like terrorism. Like support for dhimmi. Like braying for the death of every single Jew.

And I hate that we have gotten so afraid to offend them, or upset them in any way, because they really do, go bloody batshit if you don't have similar reverence for their beliefs. That's crazy. We stood up to Hitler for trying his best to slaughter every Jew out there. Why do we stay silent, whike the entire ME region calls for a repeat on the Holocaust? If the US wasn't standing side by side with Israel, those people would be dead. And they've tried to kill them. Theres been tremendous violent conflict against Israel.

What do I think should be done? Draw a line. They are free to believe what they want. But i do believe they need to wipe out Wahhabism. They need to undergo a literal Reformation. Their religion needs a rewrite. And a separation between church and state.

If they don't want to follow the Christianity Enlightenment path. OK. Fine. Stay within those Islamic nations. Relocate to them. Practice your faith there. But no more migration West, with an unenlightened form of this religion running amok. No more aid. Let them live their lives, exactly how they want to - submitting to Islam. No more riding the coattails of the rest of the world with achievements. Allah will provide, allegedly.

All cultures are not created equal. And not all cultures can combine with relative peace and harmony. The human race has proven that too many times since the cavemen. If they want Islam and these sickening ideals - rock on. Have it. But stop running to the West to make it all better, to make life easier and more luxurious. Face up and fix the problems your precious beliefs have created. Reform.

Again, sorry for the meg long post. Its hard to get out what I'm thinking in a shorter form.
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Thank you. I was trying to understand your view better and for me this explains your feelings much more thoroughly than anything I've read from you regarding Muslims and Islam.

Now that I understand it, I agree with you.
 
Angels Mom said:
Thank you. I was trying to understand your view better and for me this explains your feelings much more thoroughly than anything I've read from you regarding Muslims and Islam.

Now that I understand it, I agree with you.
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No worries :) again, I am sincerely sorry for throwing a spazz originally. I'd just woken up lol, clearly didn't read your post properly and had a twitfit.

I've spent years now, learning about it all. I'm still by no means an expert. But I am, very deeply angry about this topic.
 
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Concept2complex said:
The formation of Israel was an extreme violation of property rights. It, just as the US, should be returned to the original inhabitants. Convenience ought to be secondary to honor.
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Agreed in part, but if we all went "home", so to speak, we'd be an enormous human pyramid somewhere in the vicinity of Lake Turkana and Olduvai Gorge.
 
Ha ha yes it certainly is an oxymoron. At least however, the power and control the Church used to retain over the state and the people was greatly reduced. They were muzzled.

Look at your average Christian who follows a traditional form of Christianity. They're all about the do no evil, no preach to convert, come to God in your own time. That of course, excludes the Christian Fundamentalists. Those new wave Pentecostal/Born again bunch. They're pretty damn keen on doing se serious converting. They've done great harm to Uganda.
 
Getting back to these original shits selling slaves.
Sadly it is not new, as it has gone on for centuries, but it still evil as hell.

Frankly I agree with a speech given by the Matt Damon character in the film Syriana.
It is essentially...
have the West be done with the Middle East and in a few years as the world moves to renewable power, watching them revert to sand sucking clans that no one gives a damn about as they kill one another off. With all the money they have made they buy guns and extravagances they are ill suited for. They spend nothing on turning their people into independent producers of anything else of worth globally. Their healthcare and education suffer as they spend money on palaces, luxurious and impractical cars. But it is all running out on a finite resource as they live in a wasteland.

The day will arrive that they will have no power nor anything of worth to anyone. On that day, the world will become a safer place. How you may ask. Well because if they so much as fart in the wind heading towards civilized people, they will risk being glassed. The planet is sick of this BS from the Tatooine Zone that we would be better off ignoring altogether.

They will have no more global influence, pure and simple.
 
I'm one of perhaps 6 people (or so it feels) in the U.S. that knows 15 of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi. Only one was from Iraq. Ask the average American, they'll say Iraq, assuming they can even name a country in the Mideast. How did we address the Saudi situation? Business as usual. We have to end oil dependence, and fracking is not the answer; we are going to pay heavily for the structural damage and wastes from fracking.
 
I wonder how much of this ISIS sex slavery business is merely thugs pimping broads out. The same shit happens in America and it's not the least bit uncommon. We see stories like this and think there's an army of muslims buying into this stuff, when really it may only be a small number(grand scheme of things of course) of muslim equivalent "thugs". Really not the type of story worth getting too worked up over.

sarahdownunder said:
Theres been tremendous violent conflict against Israel.
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And Israel has slaughtered quite a few innocent Palestinians. That's a pretty regular occurence there.

If we're gonna play the, "let's say NO to the middle east!" game, Israel needs to go as well. Fuck it right with the rest of em.

The West should either pick and choose which countries to favor/profit off of, or we need to block off and ignore the entire region altogether with no exceptions. Only one of those options is practical, unfortunately.

sarahdownunder said:
Its hard to get out what I'm thinking in a shorter form.
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Yeah you fucking blow at that hard.

sarahdownunder said:
no preach to convert, come to God in your own time.
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Def not the average christian. When i was a Godly man, most churches i attended practiced heavily the act of witnessing to others in hopes of converting or at least bringing current believers even closer to the Almighty. These weren't nutty extremist fanatical churches either, just run of the mill, neighborhood non-denominationals(which made them even less wacky). This is actually a pretty integral part of the lives of most regular church attending Christians, sowing seeds and whatnot and winning over souls for Christ and so forth.
 
@sarahdownunder,

"Look at your average Christian who follows a traditional form of Christianity. They're all about the do no evil, no preach to convert, come to God in your own time."

Holy moley, not in the U.S. Besides the wingnut Moonies and random Scientologist, I have to deal with Mormons, Baptists, and Jehovah's Witnesses at my door.
 
McDanel said:
@sarahdownunder,

"Look at your average Christian who follows a traditional form of Christianity. They're all about the do no evil, no preach to convert, come to God in your own time."

Holy moley, not in the U.S. Besides the wingnut Moonies and random Scientologist, I have to deal with Mormons, Baptists, and Jehovah's Witnesses at my door.
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Baptists knock on doors now? Good for them. Even through they all drive me nuts, popping up unannounced, forcing me to put on pants...I respect that they're doing what they believe to be accurate according to the Bible.
 
I was accosted on my way home from a weekend of drinking and loud music by a couple of Christians offering to pray for me, if I felt the need. I told them it was a kind thought, but that I was not hurting .....

Doubt that would have been as easy for an agnostic in the Middle East.
 
@sarahdownunder I really like you. You are smart, articulate, and 95% of the time the posts you write make me say "YEAH!" But your anti-Islam rhetoric worries me, and it worries me that so many people here are in agreement. Particularly the distaste you express towards refugees hits a nerve with me. I come from a long lineage of refugees, particularly because my family is Jewish. For centuries we have been persecuted for stubbornly practicing our faith, and this commitment to faith is celebrated, but somehow Muslims should just give in and convert?

If we use the Holocaust as the greatest example of this persecution, it is important to clarify that the Allies did not enter WWII to save the Jews. We didn't "stand up to Hitler" because of our morality, rather because Germany was gaining control over our economic and political allies. And that's what is happening here; though inhumanity has taken hold of the Middle East and Africa, the government will not act unless it is in our best interest. And in this case, it's not. Maybe for the oil, but anytime we involve ourselves we foster hatred among those we are "helping". And from the stories my brother (who is in the military) has told me about how they train foreign militias, it is not shocking at all that our involvement increases anti-American sentiments in the Middle East.

Refugees always cause tension and hatred among those who are resistant to change. I was a refugee during Hurricane Katrina, which pales in comparison to the Middle Eastern diaspora. We had just started our freshman year of high school when we were forced to leave New Orleans for 6 months. My personal experience was as positive as it could have been, people were so welcoming and supportive and it helped me thrive during that difficult time (thanks Houston and Austin!!). Meanwhile, my friends were treated with hostility. Their classmates literally told them "I hate that you're here. You're causing traffic. You should have just stayed in New Orleans and drowned." (looking at you, Baton Rouge). My friends lives weren't worth it because they were causing traffic.

This is you. You are turning your back on helpless people because they are an inconvenience to you. Especially because you believe that these people are insisting we "share" all of our advances to them, even though they don't contribute anything at all. Well, they have contributed. Like, a lot. Here is a shortlist: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/
It includes surgery, algebra, University (which was established by a woman! Even though Muslim women are so oppressed!) and hospitals. Also not listed there is the development of the table and wine grapes we have today. Yep, they didn't come from France. The Middle East.

I don't know your story or why you have such a deep hatred for Islam. I'm sure you have your reasons and I accept that no matter what I say you will not change your mind. As a white, educated, woman, just like you, I cannot and will not speak for the experience of Muslims. But we can both have compassion. I highly recommend reading this blog post from a Muslim woman: https://sofiaalikhan.com/2015/12/16...ms-condemn-extremismterrorismviolence/#more-8
I especially want to highlight her points about Christianity and exceptionalism, and her note that every refugee is another Muslim on our side.

Again, I know this won't make a difference. But I have to say something because I am an ally. The socially acceptable thing is to ignore it, but the amount of positive support you've received from spreading this particular gospel is, in my eyes, troublesome. I hope you are never in a position where you must decided whether to stay and be killed or run towards the very people who hate you.
 
Bearella said:
@sarahdownunder I really like you. You are smart, articulate, and 95% of the time the posts you write make me say "YEAH!" But your anti-Islam rhetoric worries me, and it worries me that so many people here are in agreement. Particularly the distaste you express towards refugees hits a nerve with me. I come from a long lineage of refugees, particularly because my family is Jewish. For centuries we have been persecuted for stubbornly practicing our faith, and this commitment to faith is celebrated, but somehow Muslims should just give in and convert?

If we use the Holocaust as the greatest example of this persecution, it is important to clarify that the Allies did not enter WWII to save the Jews. We didn't "stand up to Hitler" because of our morality, rather because Germany was gaining control over our economic and political allies. And that's what is happening here; though inhumanity has taken hold of the Middle East and Africa, the government will not act unless it is in our best interest. And in this case, it's not. Maybe for the oil, but anytime we involve ourselves we foster hatred among those we are "helping". And from the stories my brother (who is in the military) has told me about how they train foreign militias, it is not shocking at all that our involvement increases anti-American sentiments in the Middle East.

Refugees always cause tension and hatred among those who are resistant to change. I was a refugee during Hurricane Katrina, which pales in comparison to the Middle Eastern diaspora. We had just started our freshman year of high school when we were forced to leave New Orleans for 6 months. My personal experience was as positive as it could have been, people were so welcoming and supportive and it helped me thrive during that difficult time (thanks Houston and Austin!!). Meanwhile, my friends were treated with hostility. Their classmates literally told them "I hate that you're here. You're causing traffic. You should have just stayed in New Orleans and drowned." (looking at you, Baton Rouge). My friends lives weren't worth it because they were causing traffic.

This is you. You are turning your back on helpless people because they are an inconvenience to you. Especially because you believe that these people are insisting we "share" all of our advances to them, even though they don't contribute anything at all. Well, they have contributed. Like, a lot. Here is a shortlist: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/
It includes surgery, algebra, University (which was established by a woman! Even though Muslim women are so oppressed!) and hospitals. Also not listed there is the development of the table and wine grapes we have today. Yep, they didn't come from France. The Middle East.

I don't know your story or why you have such a deep hatred for Islam. I'm sure you have your reasons and I accept that no matter what I say you will not change your mind. As a white, educated, woman, just like you, I cannot and will not speak for the experience of Muslims. But we can both have compassion. I highly recommend reading this blog post from a Muslim woman: https://sofiaalikhan.com/2015/12/16...ms-condemn-extremismterrorismviolence/#more-8
I especially want to highlight her points about Christianity and exceptionalism, and her note that every refugee is another Muslim on our side.

Again, I know this won't make a difference. But I have to say something because I am an ally. The socially acceptable thing is to ignore it, but the amount of positive support you've received from spreading this particular gospel is, in my eyes, troublesome. I hope you are never in a position where you must decided whether to stay and be killed or run towards the very people who hate you.
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Extremely well written and it taught me some things that I did not know. Thank you for that.
 
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