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kid driverPHOENIX, AZ –  A panic-stricken mom who thought her children had been kidnapped got an even worse surprise when she discovered her 8-year-old son and 6-year-old daughter had taken her car on a joyride – before getting into an accident in which the little girl was killed.

Half an hour after giving her son and daughter a bath and putting them to bed, the woman noticed that they were missing, along with  her 2010 Hyundai Elantra. Her front door was open, as well. She began knocking on her neighbors’ doors and called police.

As it turned out, police received at least two 911 calls just a few minutes earlier from witnesses who reported seeing the car driving in the area. One caller told police that the car had struck a fence, then driven off. Another said it looked like the car was being driven by a child. Responding officers spotted the vehicle “almost instantly” after police turned on their emergency lights, Sgt. Steve Martos said.

The police cars did not have their sirens on, he said. When they tried to pull it over, it swerved to the right and crashed into a pole.

After the crash, patrol officers ran up to the car, “thinking it’s a kidnap, that there’s a bad guy in there,” Martos said. What they found was something else entirely. Two young children-wearing their pajamas-with the girl  critically injured. The girl, Aaliyah Felder, died as a result of injuries she sustained early Thursday. Police said that her seatbelt wasn’t fastened and the passenger side air bag did not deploy. The boy suffered only a minor ankle injury.

The mother, noticing police activity only a block from the apartment complex where they lived, ran over to see what was going on. “It was a horrible and tragic moment for her,” said Martos. Could be the understatement of the year.

Sgt. Steve Martos said the investigation into the crash was continuing, and that police didn’t know all of the details about what happened, including what prompted the youngsters to go on the drive or how they got hold of the car keys. Good thing cops didn’t find a copy of Grand Theft Auto in the kids’ PlayStation, probably saved the mother a bullet.

Police didn’t release the names of the mother, 24, or the girl’s brother, who investigators did not speak to.  “We want to wait,” Martos told reporters, though he added, “It doesn’t appear that we’re looking at it from a criminal standpoint.”

Authorities believe the children drove south about 3 miles from their home and then backtracked, according to Martos. He said there was no immediate indication that the officers did anything wrong. Not that that’ll keep some
folks from bitching.

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  • Dorothy Petrillo Zbornak

    Damn. I had double-check the ages of the kid compared to their mother. She’s a kid herself. Anyway, this is such a damn shame. I’m looking at my five year old daughter and thinking about the little girl in this story. I can’t imagine the guilt the boy will have for the rest of his life.

  • Andyman

    Car keys and guns should be kept out of reach of children. I hate it when easily avoidable “accidents” happen. RIP little one.

  • Jessie

    It’s criminal that a 24 year old woman has an 8 year old and a 6 year old that she can’t control. Correction: HAD a 6 year old :-(

  • Jessie

    Love the avatar

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    Kids these days. I was at least 12 before I started stealing my parents’ car…

  • https://www.facebook.com/nugent.jack Jack Nugent

    woah, that kinda horseplay has screwed that kid up for life.

  • laurablue87

    Yeah, shame on the mother for not keeping an eagle eye on her children even in their sleep, because lord knows if you stare at them long enough they just can’t get into trouble. And shame on her for taking half an hour to realize her kids were missing from bed and immediately jumping into action while other knuckle draggers don’t even remember leaving their kids in the backseat until the next day when the car smells like rotisserie toddler. And since it’s not like she’s suffered enough losing her daughter, let’s just teach her a lesson and take the boy too and then spend a lifetime rubbing her nose in the coulda shoulda woulda puddle. Justice, amirite??

  • WarriorArtemis

    Dude…What the hell?…my kid wouldn’t have my keys cause I always misplace them lol. On a serious note, I wonder what prompts kids to do the shit they do these days. This is a very sad story, it seems that the mom in the story tried to do everything right despite being a young mom. So sad.

  • https://www.facebook.com/brandi.faught Brandi Faught

    Ugghh!!! I keep getting a server overload message when I go to front page and forums…

  • Vesper B

    Damn. I’m learning much more about parenting and parenting techniques (hide the Tide pods, place car keys on roof, etc) from DD than I ever did from any parenting classes! Thanks.

  • itsknotme

    “patrol officers ran up to the car”

    Usually, you only find this sentence in police stories with an “I break for Dunkin’ Donuts.” bumper sticker in them.

  • CT

    Based on my morning commute, this kid drove 100% better than the chick in the Smartcar who managed to block two lines of traffic in downtown DC for over 15 minutes trying to make an illegal turn. I have an appointment to get a battering ram attached to my car this weekend.

  • Andyman

    no. shame on her for not keeping the car keys out of reach. for doing so would have avoided this entirely.

  • Cassy_Again

    “These days?” Don’t be silly, I was that age in the 1960s and I can assure you the neighbour’s boys and my male cousins were well known for taking short joyrides in any car they could (and most were stick, then) and in one case, a VW Beetle actually had no engine (it was abandoned in a field near their home), so about 20 boys would push it to the top of a steep public road, all pile in and speed down the hill, pedestrians and other vehicles be damned.

    All of my cousins and their friends that I’m still in contact with have become upstanding members of society and have families of their own.

    It’s never even occurred to me to hide car keys from my children. They’re grown now, and as far as I know they never took the car out, but maybe that was more luck than anything? ’cause my boys and their pals sure did a lot of other incredibly stupid daredevil stunts in the 2000s, (walking along the top bar of the swing set at school and falling; sliding down steep walkways in the snow—into the street!! on the way home from school, when they were WELL old enough to know better; various acrobatic flips, jumps and fake falls off of 12-feet-high snow banks; tying their skateboards together and flying down hills en mass;, tying ropes to not-so-strong tree branches while playing in another mom’s yard and swinging off a hill) and I’ve had more than my share of nights sitting in the ER waiting for x-rays and stitches as a result, and that’s not counting their many bumps and bruises playing soccer and football.

    And I am picking on boys here, I really can’t recall one girl participating in this shenanigans, and my own daughter wasn’t a daredevil, either.

  • Evan

    she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, and the airbag didn’t deploy….yet post pole impact she was still in the car, albeit critical injuries. I wonder the details…

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    You know, 8-year-olds are capable of all sorts of neat things beyond stealing cars these days. Some of these things include climbing, unzipping, unlocking, searching…

    I’m wondering where you keep your car keys that an 8-year-old has no access to them? Are you able to offer any helpful tips, or are you limited to self-righteous judgment? ;)

  • Jessie

    Please. I’m sure this woman has five other kids to worry about and I’m sure that will come out too. She is just as bad as the people who leave their kids locked in hot cars. I know what 8 year olds are capable of, and for that my car keys are in a place only I know about.

  • laurablue87

    You do realize there’s not many places to put keys where an 8 year old couldn’t get to them, right? My 4 year old can get to almost any place in our house with enough time and willpower. Most people put their keys somewhere like the counter or up on a key hook. NO ONE thinks their kid is going to hop out of bed and steal their car. Maybe YOU might put your keys in a block of ice locked in the attic guarded by Russian snipers, good for you. But not everyone was blessed with your psychic abilities and kick ass hide-and-seek skills.

  • Jessie

    What? You’re ridiculous. Normal 8 year olds don’t steal cars. This woman was not a good parent. Having a kid at 16 doesn’t help.

  • laurablue87

    Where did you read that she’s a bad parent? Just because she had a kid at 16, she’s automatically a bad parent? Or was there a footnote I missed?

  • Texas Ranger

    What I was thinking. You beat me too it. I bet he keeps the car keys locked up in the same spot as the water ( drowning risk) food ( choking risk) air ( carcinigen risk) and bad thoughts ( suicide risk) Gosh, everything need to be locked up from kids!

  • Jessie

    No, having a kid at 16 makes HER parents bad parents. If her 8 year old is into grand theft auto- that makes her a bad parent.

  • Andyman

    Limited to self righteous judgement? How about I’m limited to putting systems in place to thwart being outsmarted by a fuckin 8 year old. Which really isn’t difficult if you’re a parent worth your salt. I put my keys on the top shelf of my closet in a shoe-box, along with my bag, paraphernalia, AK47, scripts, meth, crack, coke and anything else I don’t want my 6 year old getting into (hint of sarcasm there.) The door is locked and the key is on the top of the door sill. To complicate things further she is unaware that this is where we keep “the good shit.” So… “accident averted.”

  • Texas Ranger

    “Smartcar” appears to be an Oxymoron here. Don’t guess they check IQ’s when it comes to saving the environment.

  • laurablue87

    And don’t forget allllll of the kitchen utensils, the blankets that might smother them, everything that’s smaller than a golf ball, and anything that makes fire including paper.

  • laurablue87

    Wow. Good luck on that high horse. It’s gonna be a long way down.

  • Cassy_Again

    Read my earlier post, but here’s a short list of other things you need to keep out of reach:

    Ladders, they will use them to get onto the roof.

    Cardboard boxes. They will use them as “sleds” and go down steep hills into traffic.

    Pens and pencils. No school year is complete without one kindergarten stabbing.

    Swing sets and any kind of playground equipment. Oh, sure, you can stand there and watch, but that really won’t stop an 8-year-old from letting go of the swing 12 feet in the air for the hell of it.

    Shoe laces, scrap wool and string. These can be and used to create “propeller” objects, that spin fast enough to poke out an eye, cause a 12-inch facial gash…or in my case, break the nieghbour’s picture window if the string breaks.

    Anything with wheels. Unless you live on the prairie, and there is no pavement anywhere. They will sit on skateboards and coast down hills, so cars can’t possibly see them and pile 10-deep on their little sister’s tricycle, and coast downhill to crash. Weeeeeee.

  • Jessie

    But the air is so clear up here… good thing I wore my helmet.

  • Texas Ranger

    When did screwin and having a baby make you a bad person, or your family bad? That would make A LOT of us bad folks.

  • Jessie

    Having a child that steals cars makes you a bad parent. I said having one at 16 surely didn’t help.

  • laurablue87

    So, if your kids fuck up, you’re a bad parent? So, you’re only a good parent if your children never make mistakes? TROLLLLLL.

  • Andyman

    lol. I hear ya. I was 14. And it was my friend’s parent’s car (I knew better than to steal my mom and dad’s.) I remember it vividly. Spend the night at friend’s house. Steal money from friend’s mom’s purse for gas. Put too much gas in car. Drive it around forever trying to deplete the gas. Get found out the next day and suffer the wrath. Grounded for 30 days. Served 28 of them.

  • Valerie

    I remember last year. My son was three. He was asleep, I know he was asleep because I saw him. I was horribly sick and ran a nice tub of hot water to soak in while the husband ran to the store to pick up some meds for me. I got a call from the neighbor that my son was outside playing on his sister’s bike. It was dark and he was riding in the driveway. Not a good situation, something horrible could have happened, and I am not a bad mother because of it. I don’t know if some of these people have children or have been exposed to them. Now, my kids shouldn’t steal a car. We have talks about stuff like that lol, but kids are impulsive and parents sometimes get sick, need to bathe, some parents actually defecate and the kids will do horrible things then. Unless it is known that mom was neglectful, there is no need to bash her or question her parenting.

  • Jessie

    HE MURDERED HIS SISTER AND COULD HAVE KILLED SOMEONE ELSE. Doesn’t that make his mother a LITTLE liable??? Eat my troll poop.

  • Texas Ranger

    He didn’t steal it, he borrowed it…he was bringing it back.

  • Jessie

    :-p my bad

  • Andyman

    There are plenty of places. And you’re right NO ONE does think their kid will blah blah blah, that’s why you do things to alleviate that possibility. Well you do if you’re a *good* parent. But leave them in the front door if you must, just don’t get all bent out of shape when this shit happens to you.

  • Dorothy Petrillo Zbornak

    Why thank you!

  • https://www.facebook.com/mmp.n.jmm Mary Margaret Dixon

    YAY! DD is back in action!

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    Mine must have been fucking awful, then, because I took that bitch out on the regular.

    What I can’t manage to figure out is how I managed to be such an amazing child in every other aspect of my life? Or, moreover, how I’m not dead or in jail now? No thanks for my highly intelligent father and watchful stay-at-home mother, certainly. Because, you know… they were bad parents. lol.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    Seriously? Every time you come home, you put your keys in a box on the top shelf of a closet in a locked room, then stick the key to that on the door frame?

    That’s amazing. Really. Way to live by your word. But this accident, or even all similar accidence combined, isn’t going to convince me that this should be standard operating procedure for parents. Why? Well, see Tex’s earlier response. It just doesn’t pass my ROI analysis.

  • Andyman

    Pretty much – I don’t always lock the door but I do always put the keys there. She is unaware of where they are kept so the lock part isn’t as important but you have to put them somewhere. Why not pick a spot that is out of the way that your kids are unaware of? Makes perfect sense to me although clearly I’m in the minority – which is fine with me. We know whose kids (and parents) WON’T be featured here – for this anyway. lol

  • https://www.facebook.com/Skeeler88 Sam Keeler

    The brother is going to grow up with some serious guilt issues since its his fault his sister died.

  • tkaz

    I saw this on the news. My son had to watch to see if a “front” was coming in on the weather segment & instead we saw this. My 9 yr old said, “I don’t think I should watch the news.” And left.

    This was in the projects…I know because of the complex/area. And not to stereotype but my cousins grew up in the projects and they were always 3 steps ahead of their mom. They stole things, the snuck out. Me, I was scared to step out of line but they never were. So sure, it would be great if her keys were hidden….but I can promise you my cousins would’ve just taken another car or learned to hotwire.

    I also saw a neighbor saying they didn’t want to place blame because that would be a horrible guilt on a little boy’s mind. I thought that was pretty insightful and I hope he can grow up and away from this. It’s a tragedy.

  • tkaz

    Probably she was short & hit the dashboard – they weren’t traveling fast.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    Your kid is 6? Well, 6-year-olds can be pretty oblivious. So can 8-year-olds for that matter. But if your child gets the idea in their head and can count past potato, don’t think for a second that the kid won’t climb up and get that key and search your room for what they’re after.

    My dad used to always say, “The only thing worse than having a dumb kid… is having a smart one.” And it’s true. It was some straight up spy-vs-spy shit in my household growing up, and my highly intelligent parents won a few, but so did us kids.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    I was suspected on a couple of occasions, but I was never caught, despite my parents’ best efforts. They probably should have installed cameras. But I was a good driver, so all’s well that ends well, right? :P

  • Evan

    hmmm i wonder what that looked like? prolly a neck injury, yea?

  • tkaz

    Yeah…or blunt force trauma to the head. :(

  • Andyman

    She wont be ABLE to with the door locked. And it is always locked at night. I guess this is where we can agree to disagree but my point is despite a kids resourcefullness you can still outsmart them and thwart their devilish ways. …should you choose to

  • Evan

    ugh. sad. plus totally kills the phrase “blunt to the head” for me.

  • http://oddlyunfocused.blogspot.com/ Eccentric_Lady

    Dunno Athena, maybe Andyman uses the vault in his backside. Just make sure to remove the keys before taking a shit. :p

  • IntelligentVirtue

    agreed. I remember when I was asleep one night my son woke up and went outside to my neighbor’s looking for me in the middle of the night! Thankfully they brought him back inside and looked for me with him. I like to sleep under lots of blankets and apparently he didn’t see me burrowed underneath all the blankets. I honestly felt like a crappy parent but my neighbor raised 3 kids and he assured me that regardless of what you try to do as a parent kids get into shit. They’re curious with developing judgment meaning this is a recipe for some crazy ass parenting stories (after time has passed of course).

  • rohl

    You are very correct in thinking that any child 4 and up has the ingenuity and determination to reach a set of car keys. Yes, keeping an eye on your kids is important, however, I have to sleep sometime (24/7 is an impossible thing). I think my point here is that (like with my 8 and 6 year old kids) it’s a mother’s job to warn them of the dangers of a cars/guns/fires/etc. I’ve met some parents who don’t realize there children are actually just tea-cup people that understand you when you talk to them. So I talk to my girls about safety concerns and what I expect from them. I also listen to what they expect from me (besides the whole food/shelter/clothing/love thing, that should be a given for any parent). I know I’ll get a lot of hate for this next comment, but it’s true. I do not hit my children, however I have promised them both while discussing car/gun/fire safety that I will start if they set fire to the house/attempt to touch there father’s (locked up) guns/take my car. Bottom, line if you bring them into this world, then you had better prepare them for it.

  • BSmyth

    are you a fucking lunatic? It clearly says she had those two children. There is seriously something wrong with you, equateing an accident with manslaughter. I bet you don’t have kids, and if you do, they are helicoptored little robots.

  • tinalovesnick

    Once, as a 6 year old child, I was playing in my parents closet and saw that my dad’s work boots weren’t lined up properly. I moved them back, but they hit something. So I moved his boots out, and located a safe. I wanted this open, so I found my mom’s bobby pins and successfully picked that lock. Inside there was a book, only it had a lock as well. It was a numbered lock. I tried his birthday, mom’s birthday, my birthday, and my sister’s birthday. Not working. Asked my mom when their anniversary was… SUCCESS! To my dismay, the only thing inside was a bag of some greenish smelly stuff. Big sigh. I put everything back in its place, until I was 15 and remembered that again. Lol.

  • rohl

    Your situation sounds like an accident to me (thank goodness he was not hurt), and I do not believe that makes you a bad parent in any way! However, at 8 and 6 years old (I know most 3 year olds have trouble comprehending a talk about dangers; at least my 2 did at that age), children can understand that it is dangerous to drive a car alone and should be told of that danger, repeatedly (at least until you hear “MOM, I get it!” 3 or 4 times). I believe this case was a huge, stupid over-sight and a lack of parental communication (but not anything that needs a jail cell).

  • DeweyCheatam

    So funny. But also, so true, and so scary!

  • DeweyCheatam

    Are you familiar with that principle about how prohibited things become much more attractive? So that the more you tell a kid (or many adults!) not to do something, the more assured you are to achieve the exact result you’re trying to avoid? There’s balance to everything.

  • DeweyCheatam

    Wow, I thought I had the lock on being the most unreasonable, hang ‘em high contributor around here! Thx for letting me off that hook. *removes crown from head, passes it to Jesse*

  • DeweyCheatam

    Nobody in the fucking WORLD would reasonably suspect that an 8 y/o might try to drive a car, IMO.

  • IntelligentVirtue

    Thank you for the reassurance:-). However, my son (who is 8) drives those go-karts and as a consequence has convinced himself that he knows how to drive. I have to constantly talk to him about the difference between driving a go kart on a speed way and driving a car car. I can’t fathom what was going through this little boy’s mind when he took the car but I can very well see how it happened based on my own son. Finally, even on this page right now there seems to be a consensus that most 8 year olds wouldn’t take a car on a spin so perhaps my was thinking the same thing hence why he may have had access to the keys.

  • Picklemom

    As if the world doesn’t have enough to deal with and now it has you on your high and mighty trip judging people based on NO information. This article does not say where or how the kid got the keys but apparently everyone wants to assume she somehow was negligent in her care. Sometimes even the most careful and safety conscious parents have children who thwart their every effort and sneak around to do things that they know they are not allowed to do. That is how kids are. They test limits and try to prove the adults wrong when they are told they can’t do something. Shame on you for assuming that she is a bad parent because she took a half an hour after putting her kids to bed for her personal needs. When your a parent, you give up time for basic needs (like showers, bathroom breaks, meals, fixing your face or hair, personal hygiene stuff, and last but not least, just taking 10 minutes to relax) and at the end of the day all you want is 15 -30 minutes to rush through what you need to do before you start on the housework and laundry so you can go to bed. None of us can say for sure that she negligent in anything. She keeps such a close eye on her kids that she realized they were gone in half an hour which is sooner than the majority of parents. So how many kids do you have that you have all this expert parenting knowledge? I am guessing that you don’t have any or there is no way in hell that you would be comparing this tragic accident to people who leave their kids in their cars while they get their hair done or take groceries up to the house. One day your child will do something that you have told them they are not allowed and have taken all the precautions to prevent and hopefully there won’t be anyone judging you for it..

  • IntelligentVirtue

    I went on a shopping spree when I picked the contents if my mom’s safe. Took all $8k, climbed out of my bedroom window, scaled down the wall, walked to a clothing store around the corner and went spend crazy. I guess the sales clerk was alarmed when I pulled out $8k wad of cash so she distracted me while she secretly called the cops who alerted my mother. I was 11

  • Jessie

    I have two kids, and they don’t steal cars. And yes, I am a lunatic. And sometimees the definition of manslaughter IS accident. So you are saying the mother isn’t responsible for what her child does?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    Yeah, I guess I’m not getting where it is you’re putting this key. If you’re essentially locking yourself in at night, why is the key on the door frame? Or do you not want the wife to reach it, either? :P

    Eh, I digress. My point is that this seems like a whole lot of work to avoid an exceedingly rare occurrence. It’s actually strikes me as rather paranoid behavior, and I don’t consider it reasonable to judge other parents based on this unusual ritual of yours.

    We can agree that good parents take reasonable steps to mitigate the possibility of accidents/wrongdoing. :)

  • rohl

    Wow, the joys of parenthood. Thank you for pointing out the special circumstances clause I seem to have over-looked. In your case, I could see that the hard-headedness of my own 8 year old in combination with your son’s hobby, could make this whole thing could be just a bad accident (gotta love kids simply because they think they are invincible). In that regard, I guess I’ll also have to cut this mother a little slack (only because I don’t know her circumstance). Thank you again for helping me see “the other side of the coin.” Have a good day!

  • laurablue87

    When your kid dies stabbing themself with a pencil you so carelessly left on the table, you’re going to feel dumb having wasted all that time hiding your keys.

  • Jessie

    :-) *gladly taking it from Dewey and placing it on head*

  • Jessie

    Hopefully it won’t be stealing a vehicle at the age of 8 and murdering a sibling. I have two kids and I’m not sure yet if it will happen- but I’m pretty sure it won’t. Because I’m a decent parent.

  • IntelligentVirtue

    I have to question the whole stealing car thing. Most kids that I know automatically assume that they’re entitled to their parents belongings. This just based off the countless bitching fits other parents and I have, it seems boundaries is an issue in many households. Had he taken a car belonging to non parents then I would agree that it was theft.

  • Jessie

    Apparently people don’t think parents should be responsible for their kids actions here rohl.

  • Jessie

    Did you take it out when you were 8? No, becuase you had decent parents and that is good. And I broke the law plenty as a teenager! That’s a whole other argument :-)

  • rohl

    I did a lot of things as a child, that my children will never do. Jump around in the back seat going down the road, sleep in a crib with lead-based paint, ride a bike with no helmet, and disappear on a summer morning, only coming home for lunch and dinner. Of course, if we got in to trouble, we all hoped it was “my mom” who caught us (whoever caught you was spanking you, and then you were getting it when you got home). I don’t want to hit my children (I wouldn’t hit an adult, unless they threatened the safety of my children, so why disrespect them that way?). The above mentioned can’t happen now without including a ticket or a neglect/abuse charge.

  • IntelligentVirtue

    I used to be the most self-assured, egotistical bitch who thought her shit didn’t stink…until I become a parent!!! Now I have my doubts about everything and even with all the preparing and foresight in the world they STILL manage to do or say things to leave one dumbfounded!!

  • MilfOf2

    You are a stupid bitch and I pray you dont have spawn.

  • Jessie

    I have two spawn MILF and I’m hotter than you! Why don’t you people think this mother should be held responsible??? I am done. If you guys think that this woman earned “mother of the year” then go ahead and keep arguing her case. Her son could have killed someone else that evening…

  • MilfOf2

    So sad. Children are so naive to the world around them. Prayers to the mom and little boy

  • DeweyCheatam

    @ Jessie: Do you think the mother is also a bad parent b/c she failed to train the 6 y/o not to get into a car driven by an 8 y/o?

  • JohnQknowitall

    Interesting that the young girl had an Arabic first name, and the mother had the boy at 16 or 17, and there is no mention of the father(s). I guess, pointlessly, I am trying to figure out how this could have happened. I don’t even think it is a matter of my parents punishing me, but this is nothing I would have done especially at 8 years old… My siblings and my friends’ children – well I just cannot imagine any of them even entertaining the ideation to drive a car before 15 or 16. I don’t think the parents in this case did anything wrong, but what made this child think it was going to be okay?

  • Jessie

    I leave the pencil next the machete. And my car keys.

  • Jessie

    Bad parenting.

  • JohnQknowitall

    Nope… just the things that are not necessary to sustain life.

  • IntelligentVirtue

    I know parents who would consider you a bad mother because your child stole and skipped school, IJS.

  • Jessie

    yes. i mostly think she’s a bad parent for leaving the keys where her naughty 8 year old could get them… i’m sure this isn’t his FIRST time at the rodeo, ya know?

  • Jessie

    They haven’t yet! I’m only EXPECTING it to happen…

  • DeweyCheatam

    Why would you expect it to happen when you’re such a great mom?

  • Jessie

    Please I never said I was great. I said I was decent. I am pretty sure one of my kids won’t steal my car and kill the other one with it. Everything else remains uncertain.

  • DeweyCheatam

    Soooo, an extremely common kid/teenager thing to do, like stealing, you don’t expect to have enough foresight to prevent, but this woman is a bad parent b/c of something so rare?

  • Retro Vertigo

    Sweet Jesus, people. Kids are scheisty little fuckers. If they get an idea, they will spare no expense to see that dream to fruition. I’m outnumbered by my brood and I can totally see my kids doing some stupid shit like messing with the car…not driving it, but who knows? Thwart that shit before it even starts. Forget locking your keys, invest a few bucks in those magnetic sensor door/window alarms. Seriously, I got them at Dollar Tree and they’ron the top frames of the doors and windows. If they even crack the shit, it blares through the house. I don’t have time to worry about crap like this.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    Actually, I don’t think me not taking it out at 8 had anything to do with my quality of parents (and they were quite good parents, generally speaking). It probably had a lot more to do with the fact that A.) the thought simply hadn’t crossed my mind yet and B.) it was a ’76 Buick LeSabre with no power steering. My 8-year-old body couldn’t have steered that steel yacht of a land cruiser even if I had wanted to. :P

  • JohnQknowitall

    Possibly, but need more info.
    I didn’t down vote you and if I did (you or anyone) I would say so.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Athena

    Yes, the son could have killed someone else, and she still wouldn’t be held criminally responsible, so I’m not really sure what you’re getting at.

    In a situation like this, a parent is only going to be held criminally liable if neglect or contribution created the access to the keys, and even that’s iffy.

  • Vesper B

    Thank you. I’m amazed at how remorseful these children can be. :D

  • Malodorous

    You ought to learn to discern the difference between the concepts of “murdering” and “killing.” If you can spare the brain cells.

  • https://www.facebook.com/yvonne.diaz.961 Yvonne N Hodie

    People are blaming the mother for this? Yeah, it could have been avoided had she hung up her keys or just hid them but they were just children… I would be hiding my keys from a 12 or 13 year old for sure but at 8 and 6 years old there should be no reason for it. They were curious and it ended tragicly. That doesnt make her a bad mother. She had just bathed and dressed her kids and put them to bed, now i’m sorry but a bad mom doesnt do that shit and they dont care to check on their children even after 30 minutes or run down the street in a panic and call 911… RIP baby girl.

  • https://www.facebook.com/william.d.luke.9 William Dean Luke

    that’s what you get for leaving the keys in the car, and your kids in the car. DOn’t do these two things and shit like this won’t happen.

  • BSmyth

    In no way is mother at fault. Also, I’ll pray for your kids…they will obviously need the help to become normal people.

  • BSmyth

    and, that little boy didn’t murder his sister, she died in a car accident. If you’re so damn intent on using the correct definition of manlsaughter, then use the correct one for murder.

  • Buffettgirl

    It’s a very sad story – RIP Aaliyah. Best wishes on recovering from this horrendous situation Little Man, you’ll need a lot of help to process this and come to a healthy resolution…

  • MilfOf2

    I doubt it lol. Fuglllyyyyy

  • https://www.facebook.com/percy.dinnie Percy Dinnie

    William you’re either trying to be funny and failing, or you’re a douche who hasn’t read the story.

  • Wildheart

    I’m impressed! I was 17….and it was actually MY car that I “stole.” My parents bought me a used car for graduation but would not allow me to drive it until I got my diploma. I used to take it out to see a boy I liked when my mom was at my brother’s football practice in the evenings. :)

  • tkaz

    It’s also the name of a deceased r&b singer. The area is primarily black, some Mexican.
    I know some say bad parenting but the jist of it is, CERTAIN kids have more liberties than others. As I stated, my project cousins probably would’ve done the same thing. It’s a demographic thing, sure parenting comes in hand…as do misplaced keys…as do curious young minds…as do sleeping parents. This was a whole bunch of things wrapped up together- it wasn’t JUST parenting or JUST this or that. Several things contributed to this tragedy.
    I can say my delinquent cousins did stuff because there were no boundaries or discipline. I didn’t think to do this BECAUSE of the discipline. I’ve seen this SO many times with my cousins. They grew up in the projects, they go in trouble, they grew up they got in trouble, now their kids are getting in trouble. No boundaries were ever established & everyone is so “down & out” they’re drunk or high all the time. Hard to discipline when you don’t care.
    Why did the child think it was ok? Maybe he’d done it before, maybe he saw a neighbor do it, maybe he saw it on tv. Who KNOWS. When we’re 8 we don’t really rationalize very well.

  • sherrdbw

    How in the fuck does a small child know how to drive? I didn’t know how to drive when I was fifteen. Hell, I still don’t know how to drive, at least that’s what people tell me. I guess parents will have to lock up the keys in the safe. She didn’t seem to be a derelict to me. Kids are far too precocious these days. When my children were young, I put some kind of plastic things over the door knobs and the door couldn’t be opened unless a person had the strength to squeeze the plastic thing hard enough. Tragic all around.

  • sherrdbw

    Just out of curiosity, do you have any kids? If so, what is your secret for rearing perfect little angels? If you don’t, then you don’t know what your talking about. Or maybe you’re just bored today.

  • SillyCynic

    The first girl I had ‘relations’ with was 15 at the time. Her parents are pretty good parents (we’re still friends)…shit could’ve happened, luckily I wasn’t daddy SillyCynic in high school.

    Kids wanna fuck, kids gonna fuck. Nothing you can do about it shy of locking them in a closet…The biggest whores I knew, I saw at church (baptist church, mind you) every time I was dragged by the ears into that place. <–THOSE are bad parents.

  • JohnQknowitall

    I hear you and I don’t disagree with anything you say, but I just can’t get it out of my head that something is odd here. The mother bathed the children, dressed them for bed, put them to bed and I assume relaxed. This alone tells me she is responsible in her paternal duties. What kind of still eats me is that if I did something wrong my sister would threaten and/or tell on me -or- vice versa.

    Not only did they leave the home of what appears to be an attentive parents knowing it was not permissible and also, basically, stole the car. I would love to hear the interview of the 8 year old.

  • tkaz

    You’re right. But my aunt tucked her boys in each night too.
    There is just a different mentality that takes over & I can’t describe it. All I know is my grandmother raised three kids (and kind of me too!) & so everyone was brought up with the same values….then my aunt had to live in the projects as she was on welfare & needed assistance….and it didn’t matter about roots. Something flipped. Know what I mean?
    I don’t think there will be an interview with the 8 yr old for the public …

  • jeanette Gordon

    I’m not sure what’s going on here but 8 year old’s don’t just get up after a bath and get his sister and go for a drive. Call me a terrible person but I would not want to bring him home after he’s done this and killed his sister I just wouldn’t feel safe in the home. I would volunteer to be evaluated to see what I’m doing wrong that my 8 year old stole my car. It makes you wonder what was she doing that two kids got out the house under her supervision and got in the car and drove off! She was a baby when she had these kids hell she still a baby!There is more to this story I’m sure.

  • jeanette Gordon

    I forgot to add that my prayers goes out her and her family for their loss!

  • MrClayton

    I remember as a kid just loving the taste of (eeeeew) one-a-days. My mom knew she was going through them really quickly. She put them on top of the fridge, in her room in her nightstand. Even in the bathroom above the cabinet. I kept finding them, So who would EVEN think that an 8 year old is going to take the car out for a joyride?

  • Aussie Sabbath

    What would possess the 8 year old to do something so dumb? Even at 8 years old, I knew you weren’t allowed to drive a car without a licence. Dad even joked I wasn’t allowed to drive until I could reach the pedals and see over the dashboard!
    There was a case a while back here in Oz where an 11 year old boy died because he was driving himself and his sister in the paddock basher to the bus stop outside their property. The boy was speeding because he was late for the bus, and he was so familiar with the road that he simply forgot to be careful.
    This obviously didn’t happen on a rural property. This was a parent discipline fail with tragic consequences.

  • Ben

    Another dead child at the feet of law enforcement.

    I don’t mean to troll; I truly believe their heavy-handed, military style tactics often lead to much more harm than good. I was personally scared out of my mind by overly aggressive police one time while I was speeding, leading to a much more dangerous scenario than if that individual had simply turned on their lights. And I don’t mean to excuse the circumstances either – clearly the parents could have done more to prevent their 8 year old child from driving their car. But the police running them down anticipating an abduction scenario? It’s a recipe for disaster.

  • captaingrumpy

    Get off ya soapbox

  • captaingrumpy

    I know exactly where you are coming from. Police nowdays are Wannabe Military types. They dress and act like they are in enemy territory. They treat EVERYONE like a terrorist and HAVE TO BE OBEYED.
    If you have a gun , they don’t ask for the permit. They get you to lay down on the ground and cuff you. THEN find the permit. But no apologies , just a lame excuse for being paranoid. .

  • Cassy_Again

    Excuse me, sexist, judgmental assholes, but do you think she underwent in vitro fertilization to get pregnant at 16? Somewhere there is a father and he too was raised by someone. Why the hell does all of this fall on the mothers all the time? And I still think hiding your car keys from an 8-year-old is a bit cray cray, but then again, I wouldn’t lock people inside a house with no way to get out, either. You’re far more likely to be a victim of a house fire than of an 8-year-old driver. And hopefully that poster is in the minority.

  • Cassy_Again

    Yes, that’s right. Because “good” girls don’t get pregnant. AND, she did it alone, right? No father. No sperm donor’s parents to bag on. Sixteen-year-olds having sex…what is the world coming to????

  • Cassy_Again

    He didn’t “murder” anyone. He’s eight. It was an accident.

  • Cassy_Again

    How are you “sure” of that? That’s just biased conjectured because you’ve chosen to believe she was a “bad” mother. I get it. Stories like this make us see our own vulnerability so we tend to blame others, even the victim, to protect ourselves from believing the unthinkable could happen to us. You know, the girl who “asks” to be raped because she was wearing a short skirt, or drank too many beers. The man who was randomly shot because he was “stupid” to be in that area at night…whatever.

    However, she bathed the children, put them to bed, noticed them missing a short time later and called 911. None of those are the actions of someone crowned with the “lousy parent” crown.

    The news has been pretty active with similar stories of children as young as 5 and 6 driving. Kids want to drive like they see on TV, or their parents do. Some sneak cigarettes. Some play with matches on the way to school, or at recess. They do all sorts of stuff that could probably turn deadly in a minute, but in most cases doesn’t.

    And people who think they can stop a 16-year-old from having sex are just delusional. I mean cripes, much of culture is based on the story some pregnant 14-year-old told. Would it help if the child driving the car had been born in a manger?

  • CatAtonic99

    Have you seen this? 7 Year Old Utah Boy who stole his parents car to get out of going to church. (I must say, he drove pretty damn good!) http://www.ksl.com/?nid=&sid=7341904

  • Jessie

    Normal 8 year olds with decent parents don’t behave that way. Do you know any that would plot and scheme to sneak out of bed and grab their sisters as well to steal a car? He could have killed someone and then all of you would be crying FOUL on the mom and her parenting.

  • Jessie

    She would be held liable in civil court. And nowadays people are being charged for everything criminally so I believe she would have been as well. It doesn’t matter. All I mean is this woman is lucky it didn’t end another way. With both kids dead or another person at that. And I’m sorry if my believing her parenting skills were lacking on this riled everyone up.

  • Jessie

    Alright, alright. I take murder back. He KILLED his sister. What kind of boy plots and schemes to steal his moms car (after going to bed!) and ALSO grab his younger sister on the way out?

  • Jessie

    Well thanks John. I have upset everyone because I pointed out that decent parents don’t have children that would do this sort of thing at age 8. I just read another article on it that reports she has at least two more younger children. It’s a shame.

  • Jessie

    I just read that she has at least two more younger children- big shock- in the house and that the little boy snuck into her room where she was sleeping and took the keys from her purse. What a little shit!!!

  • Jessie

    Fine fine. Killed his sister. Happy?

  • Jessie

    I don’t have an issue with kids fucking. They should be having abortions, however. Its the baby-having I find sad and sorry and stupid.

  • Jessie

    16 year olds need to have abortions. Not babies.

  • Chinchillazilla

    I wonder if she really is unaware that that’s where you keep “the good shit”. I know I knew where my alcoholic dad kept his secret stash of beer long before my mom even figured out he HAD a secret stash.

  • mainerparent

    When I was 7, my sister 6, and my brother 5, we took the car keys and hopped into our 65 ford. We drove around the block, and the wrong way down Bellmore ave in NY. We managed to pull back in and replace the keys before mom even noticed we were gone. The next day there was an article in the paper about kids seen driving a car. My parents’ reaction?
    “Where the hell were their parents?!”

  • Abroad

    I seriously doubt she considers herself lucky right now……

  • brandi

    Very well said little lady! Muah! <3 ya!

  • Buffettgirl

    Why thank you Darlin’! Things have been seriously contentious here on DD lately so I thought I’d stay out of it and just go with something heartfelt… ;-)

  • Eliza Berntsen

    Me 7 and my brother 5 tried to do a similar thing after watching a movie about two kids that took (I can’t quite remember now why they were in that car) a car and were driving somewhere- one at the steering wheel, another one on the pedals. Unfortunately for us, neither one of us could quite work out how to actually work the car, so never did get anywhere.

  • Tenbux

    Please describe your infinitely better way to deal with the situation for the interwebs.

  • Ben

    I don’t have an infinitely better way. Maybe there’s nothing the police could have done (or not done) to prevent this from happening. I posted because it reminded me of a personal experience when I was 16 where a police officer was speeding up behind me in the dark, no lights or sirens, and how terrified I was and how I could have run off the road.

    My non-professional opinion is they should have turned on the sirens and pulled the car over normally. I thought the line about expecting kidnappers was very telling; it suggested to me that they were acting overly aggressively and not like peace officers. Of course I could be totally wrong and misreading the facts. I only read the DD summary.

  • Tenbux

    I’ve seen cars get pulled over without sirens before, they -were- trying to peacefully pull them over. It was night, there was no way for them to tell the car was driven by a child from behind. Even in daylight the driver could’ve been ducking down.
    If it had been an abduction, which they had reason to suspect, the absolute last thing you want is for the abductor to get the children to a private place. Once that happens, the likelihood of recovering the abductee alive drops off drastically. I can’t find any fault in the story as reported.

  • Ben

    I suppose we read the story quite differently. Why did they have reason to suspect an abduction? I agree they couldn’t tell a kid was driving – although on a more careful re-read, one of the two 911 callers said it looked like a kid was driving. Supposing they knew a kid was driving, what’s the right thing to do? I really don’t know. Maybe a spike strip.

    As for “you don’t want the abductor to get away,” of course, but how does pulling the car over without sirens help accomplish that? If it were an abductor they would probably take off as soon as they realized they were being followed (and be followed), or pull over and lie and make excuses. I’m not saying the police should have just ignored the 911 calls and left it alone. But I do think that if they had, the girl would probably have lived.

  • Tenbux

    Or alternatively, the boy might’ve gotten into another accident that killed both of them and potentially someone else. He HAD already run off the road and struck a fence prior to hitting the pole. If that had happened, you’d probably be angry that they didn’t do their job and protect them/the public.

  • Ben

    I concede, I over-reacted. I think I’ve been reading too many police brutality stories, and the no-sirens thing struck a nerve with me. There’s no way to know what would have happened if they’d acted differently and it was an inherently dangerous situation.

  • SillyCynic

    Ironically, the ones that can’t have abortions, aren’t supposed to have sex, either.

    However, some people cannot (religiously) have them. So that argument only works sometimes.

  • michael88terra

    Let us view it this way, my birth parents were actually shitty. They gave me up at 6 but kept my 12 year old brother because they lost money to beer and drugs. They couldn’t afford us both and weren’t going to quit their habits. I grew up fine in a way. I got adopted and my single father managed to raise me so well My brother who stayed? Well he has his own path and it’s being a lawyer. His best friend who grew up with great parents? He lives with his parents and has a ton of DUIs. Parents don’t make or break the children. Children are children. Adults are children who hold their childishness in. Children are human and we learn from mistakes and things we see. My father held a gun everyday and he taught me never to touch his. Did that stop me as a child? Not when he wasn’t around. Curiousness is part of being human. Now did I pick the gun up and use it, no, I just wanted to poke the side of it. He always had it in a locked case so that didn’t do much. Want to know what happened when I got older? I found the keys to the case. I could have done similar to these kids, I could have tried to be like mommy or daddy and not know how dangerous it is. So before you spout bigoted talk that isn’t organized, remember this, parents don’t make or break their kids but they are an influence. If you want to go walking around with a pole up your bum and accuse everyone who doesn’t do what you do as wrong and guilty then know when your kids follow your steps that it comes with a punishment. You’ll get to hold them when they’re sad because mommy doesn’t like people who aren’t her so why should I like those who aren’t me? Does this sound like offensive bs right now to you, Jessie? Are you thinking, “I never act like that and my kids won’t either! Who does this internet stranger who knows absolutely nothing of my life to judge me!?” That’s what the rest of us are viewing, someone who knows not enough deciding things like they’re god. By the way, “!?” is called an interrobang. Some people find it unreal and childish, just felt I should clear that out in case you jump to conclusions on that as well.

  • Malodorous

    Uh, a boy? Kids lack sound judgement, after all. If anything, the fact he brought his little sister along for the ride simply tells me he wanted to share the fun with her, which is admirable, apart from the nature of said “fun.”

    When I was 16, just after receiving my driving permit, the one that allowed me to drive without supervision, prior to receiving my actual license, my family all headed over to the nursing home on a Sunday afternoon to visit my grandmother, who’d succumbed to Alzheimer’s. I insisted on driving myself, just because I could, so the rest of the family drove over in the Caravan while I took the sedan we inherited from her.

    She actually passed away later that evening (so I’m thankful we at least got that last opportunity to see her before the end) but the visit was rather unsettling to my younger sister and I, as she was lying on her bed staring at the ceiling, oblivious to the world, and stank rather horrendously. So my parents allowed the two of us to say goodbye and duck out, while they and my older brother remained.

    The facility had just built a brand new senior apartment building behind the main building, which was still under construction, so we detoured around it (several times) over the hilly dirt-packed round surrounding it. Naturally, being a stupid teen, I had to drive around inside the empty parking garage underneath it, too. In the garage, we discovered several dozen empty appliance boxes (for fridges, stoves, washer/dryers, etc.) scattered around the place. So I began speeding around in tight circles, doing maybe 30-35mph, smashing through the boxes while my sister and I laughed maniacally about it. It never occurred to either of us that some of those boxes might actually still contain appliances inside them. Luckily for us, that wasn’t the case (at least, not any of the couple dozen I struck) or I might’ve put the car in the shop and both of us in the hospital that afternoon.

    Had my number come up that day, I don’t think that would’ve made me a shitty person, just a stupid teen with poor judgement. I doubt this 8yo kid had any nefarious plans in mind – he simply wanted to have some fun. It’s a tragic accident, and that’s about it. As far as access to the car keys, well… it never in my entire life occurred to me to steal the car, growing up, and as far as I know, my parents never bothered to hide the keys (my mom kept hers in her purse, my dad left his on top of his dresser) so I guess their assumption that they didn’t need to secure them proved correct, in our case. And that seems to generally be the case in most families as well, to judge from the lack of a kids-driving-cars-getting-into-accidents epidemic that our country isn’t suffering from.

  • Jessie

    Exactly. But your story is different because you were a teenager. Luckily most parents do the best they can and that’s PRECISELY why we don’t have the epidemic. Which means this woman couldn’t have been doing the best she could. Not with four kids, alone, at the age of 24. Normal kids with good parents wouldn’t do such things.

  • Jessie

    Thanks for the grammar lesson Mike. I guess I’m a judgemental internet cunt then, huh? That’s fine with me. Normal children don’t steal cars at that age. She is a young mother with too many children. That is a fact. What is also a fact is that parents DO make the children. Sometimes an extraordinary child will surpass their parents when it comes to success in life. Not the case with this story anyway. I will teach my kids that people who have too many children never get anywhere in life. I will also teach them that large SUV’s are for jackasses. They can draw their own conclusions about the rest of the people on this planet. And I’ve drawn mine here. That’s what the forum is for, dumbass.

  • DeweyCheatam

    I think you could leave out “internet.”

  • Jessie

    Thanks Dewey. I guess judgemental cunt will do then. Cheers.

  • LuluMontegut

    Sorry, had to vote down just for using the term “cray cray”.

  • Lovingmama

    You teach your children cars are dangerous! You teach them it’s not safe to leave the house without a grown up! You’re right she’s suffering more than I could ever imagine but I have 18 nieces and nephews between my husband and I and they wouldn’t try to drive a car. No way. Except the the 3 and 4 year old brothers but that’s why I set the alarm hide everything when they’re over and teach them the best I can with the limited time I have them…..because their parents haven’t taught them. I have enormous empathy for her but she is partially responsible. She’s punished more than deserved but she could have done better.

  • Lovingmama

    Yeah right. If you’re paying attention you know your kids. I know what kids to pay the most attention to. Maybe I’m wrong but I find it very hard to believe its the first time the 8 year old displayed some lack of sense or serious mischievousness.

  • Picklemom

    Actually she won’t be held liable in any court unless there is evidence that the child has taken her car before and she left the keys within his reach and since they have not reported he was formerly convicted of grand theft auto I assume that it was a complete surprise to her too. What I really find so insulting is you degrading her for having children so early and having more than 2 so you say. So she has 4 kids? So do I.. Does that make me a bad parent or a bad person? No.. I think your forgetting that these are children and sometimes even the best parent can raise a child that does things they have been taught are wrong or been told no to. Kids do dumb stuff all the time and sneak around doing it.. My son is this boys age and yesterday I caught him trying to convince his 4 year old sister to jump off his bunk bed onto a bean bag when I got out of the shower. She could have been hurt or killed if she fell just right but that would not make me a bad parent or should be held liable because of an accident. They are children. Condemning a parent when you don’t know their situation or the exact nature of how the situation occurred is unconscionable.. Might be time for you to take your nose out of the air before you drown..

  • Picklemom

    Boy, You really are a uptight, judgmental bitch. Your actually going to teach your children to hate people and judge them based on outside factors without any real information.. The only fact you have is that the parents actually create the children. Beyond that you sound a like a blithering idiot. I know a lot of people who have more than 2 children and are doctors, lawyers, cpas, and so on. Not only did they get somewhere in life but they are doing better than 80% of the US. I have 4 of my own and we have everything we will ever need. My children have ambition, talent, are placing in the top of their classes, are kind, caring, and respectful. Does that mean that they are perfect? No, but I can tell you they will never judge someone based on half the information and what everyone can see about someone’s life like you did. I guess since I own a crossover so I can travel with my family and the dog, I must be a Jackass as you say.. I find that funny since I drive less than the average person in my vehicle and I have never had someone judge me based on it. As for 97% of the “fat” people in this world being lazy? I would really love to see the study that you got this figure from and what basis they used for their poll. I would also like to see what they are using as their qualifications for who is fat or who isn’t? Is it Hollywood standards where if you don’t fit into a size 0 at 5″9″ and 110lbs. Even the Dr’s are saying that the charts are wrong and depend on the person and that some people who the chart calls fat are actually healthier and more physically fit than their thin patients. I know a lot of people who some would consider fat and others would just consider normal and they are far from lazy. They have jobs, kids, and activities like every other thin person I know too. I guess your phrase, ” the parents make the children” is something you take literally. From what I can tell, you are going to make your children into uptight, stuck up, self righteous, judgmental assholes like you. It’s a shame because they really deserve better..

  • Aussie Sabbath

    They can’t? What’s going to happen to them, will the big bad imaginary man in the sky strike them dead for making their own decisions about their own bodies?

  • Jessie

    I didn’t say children from large families w too many kids never get anywhere in life- I said their parents won’t. Especially if they have all those kids too young. What are YOU doing that is special these days besides constantly worrying about your kids? Are you a lawyer or doctor? I doubt that most of them don’t have that many children. If you are- you’re an outlier CONGRATS. And a crossover isn’t a large SUV, so you’re fine. I have a masters in endocrinology, metabolism and nutrition- I’ve worked with the fatties for years. I have my facts straight, don’t worry. I won’t be harsh on my kids about weight because it won’t be an issue- they’ll be eating right and staying active. And I’m not talking about overweight people. I’m talking about obese people. They are lazy and that’s what I’ll teach my kids. I am far from uptight. I’m actually pretty chill. I have standards and I’m judgemental, sure. I’m allowed to be. And if teaching my children to drive smaller more economically wise vehicles, live their lives to the fullest instead of trying to create a huge family, and stay very active is wrong- then sue me.

  • Sarah Ochocki

    I can honestly say I had the logical skills at the age of 8 to know that I would not be able to safely drive a car. What the hell was wrong with this kid? And I’m not blaming the mother, either – some kids are just fucked in the head, period.

  • zman64

    Teach your kids that cars are dangerous and problem solved, eh? Do you realize how lame that sounds? Kids don’t think about danger too much which is why you can’t leave them alone for very long or they’ll end up in trouble or hurt. How do you know this mother didn’t try to teach her young son how dangerous cars can be? You automatically assume because he took the car out that his mother didn’t tell him how dangerous it could be? Perhaps she did but the kid didn’t listen or didn’t care. It’s incredibly unfair to say she could have done better when you have no idea what steps she may have taken. This was a horrible, tragic thing that happened but get off your high horse. She may have done everything she could to keep her kids safe and this still happened.

  • zman64

    Man this sounds so contrived. I would wager you could go into Andy’s house any random day at any random hour and find he doesn’t do this. I don’t believe it for a second. What I do believe is he made up this BS to strengthen his argument when someone challenged his original post regarding the mother’s inability to keep the kids from getting the keys.

    Not buying it, Andyman.

  • zman64

    Jessie, you’re a self righteous, judgmental, ass. My parents were great. They gave us a nice home, plenty of love, and always tried to teach us right from wrong. My sister and brother were good kids. They never got into any trouble but I was horrible. I scammed the car all the time starting when I was only 10 and did the same damn thing this kid did. I grabbed my sister and we went to the 7-11 around the corner for candy. Granted, we didn’t get in a wreck or anything because one of the neighbors saw me drive by and followed us the entire way only to snatch the keys out of my hand when I stopped the car but we definitely could have.

    If something like this had happened to me it certainly wouldn’t have been my parent’s fault as they raised us right and I knew cars were dangerous. I just didn’t care. Sometimes a kid is just a bad apple and regardless of how hard the parents try the little f-er will always be in trouble. Fortunately I outgrew my angst and am now a successful, contributing member of society. However, when I was a little kid all the way up until I was about 17, I was a holy terror.

  • SillyCynic

    Free will doesn’t exist in religion…so I’m not sure the penalty for practicing it. It’s probably hell, somehow.

  • Lovingmama

    So Ive been told about being on my high horse. Please change my mind Ill feel much better about myseld. Kids think about danger if you teach them to. Not when they’re 8 but from the time they’re born. She wasnt always teaching him or he wouldn’t of tried driving her car. Please enlighten me to what’s lame about teaching your kids to listen to you or to be safe or to take responsibility for yourself as their parent. I have a teen. He struggles. I know why. Because I didn’t teach him better from the time he was young. I beat myself up about it I cry but I don’t lie to myself and pretend he is not exactly what I taught or didn’t teach him to be.

  • zman64

    There’s nothing lame about teaching your kids to listen to you or be safe or any of the other positive things you mentioned. What’s lame is assuming that once you’ve done these things the child will never get into trouble. They’re not robots and they have a mind of their own. What I was trying to point out is that kids can act up and do crazy, dangerous things sometimes regardless of how much you pound the safety and responsibility lessons into their head.

    Your last comment, for example. You seem to blame yourself 100% for your teen’s behavior. Where is the responsibility on his part? Are you giving him a pass each time he gets into trouble? – apologizing to him and shouldering all the blame yourself instead of making him take responsibility for his own actions? You’re raising a kid that will never take responsibility for himself and will always stand behind mama’s skirt tails when he finds himself in trouble and up against the wall. Parents are only part of the equation. The other part is the child; a living breathing human being that has a mind and a will of his or her own.

    You assert that behind every bad kid there’s a bad parent and I couldn’t disagree with you more. My parents were great. Neither of my siblings ever got into trouble but I was always in hot water. That kind of blows your theory right out of the water doesn’t it? – given that we were raised by the same parents?

  • Lovingmama

    Did you drive a car when you were 8? Guess it depends on what always in hot water means. Parents can’t raise or treat each child the same and I still am stuck on my theory. It IS a horrible tragic accident but no way she did everything she could to teach her son right from wrong. Yes, children have a mind of their own, but the parents are what shapes it. The kid took her car, that’s big time “hot water” Behind every 8 year old that leaves the house at night to go for a joy ride there is a negligent parent. Perhaps unknowingly negligent but still negligent. 8 year old.

  • Lovingmama

    Ps I never said she was a bad parent. Or that he was a bad kid.

  • Jessie

    I know I’m a judgmental ass. I’ve admitted it. I’m sorry but good parents don’t have kids that young who would even THINK of stealing a car. I’m sticking to my guns on this one. And yes, the bad apple thing is very true. And that could be the case here. But I’m betting since this single mom was 24 and already had four kids- no WAY she could be the parent she needed to be. Booo this woman.

  • zman64

    Don’t you deem a negligent parent the same as a bad parent? I do.

  • Jessie

    Thank you for posting that. I was DYING to say it and you said it for me.

  • Jessie

    I did. There. Bad parent. Bad kid.

  • Lovingmama

    If ignorant (not being mean just saying not knowimg) equals bad then yeah ok me too. Sometime people just don’t realize the impact they’re having on their kids life by what they do or don’t do

  • Jessie

    Agreed. Ultimately parents are responsible (in a court of law) for their kids actions. It doesn’t matter if they are a “demon seed” or not. My point was he could have killed someone BESIDES his sister and then what? The mother from this story was single and had four kids by the age 24. I don’t know too many 24 year olds who have their shit together— and NONE that would be decent parents to four children, alone.

  • owen

    I see the cops didn’t cause the accident?

  • Stating The Obvious

    I know that this is now 3+ weeks old but you made me so sick to my stomach with your self righteous posts that I actually had to comment. You are such an arrogant, self centered and egotistical human being that I actually feel sorry for anyone associated with you, including your children. This was a horrible accident that no one could have foreseen, and for you to say that the mother is at fault just shows how ignorant you are. You say what a decent parent you are but then also say “I EXPECT shoplifting and skipping school” Ummmm no “decent” parent expects that. “and for that my car keys are in a place only I know about.” Seriously? So what your saying is that you are a decent parent and you have taught your children “from a young age” Well if you were such a “decent” parent they should never be “capable” of it because of their “decent {[{{cringe)}}}} parent! YET you have to hide your keys!! In all my years I have never met anyone that has taken self-righteousness to such a level!! And trust me after working in law enforcement that is saying a lot!!