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John WeldenTAMPA, FL – John Welden, a 28-year-old pre-med student at the University of South Florida, has been accused of killing his unborn child by tricking his pregnant girlfriend into taking an abortion pill.

Weldon’s girlfriend, 26-year-old Remee Lee, says that when she learned she was pregnant, Welden took her to see his father, an OB/GYN. A sonogram and blood test would confirm that Lee was six-weeks pregnant. The next day, Welden called her saying that the blood tests revealed she had a bacterial infection and would need to start taking Amoxicillin, an antibiotic.

But a federal indictment states Welden had figured out a heinous way to get rid of the baby he did not want, and forged his father’s signature for a prescription pill that can terminate pregnancies. He then switched the labels to make the bottle look like it contained Lee’s antibiotics.

On Good Friday,  he showed up with a care package that contained her antibiotic prescription. “He told me to keep taking them. I was supposed to take three a day for days,” she recalled of Welden’s instructions.

On Easter Sunday, Lee went to the hospital with severe abdominal pains and vaginal bleeding. Doctors would end up giving Lee the bad news that her unborn baby was dead. Lee told them that she’d been taking Amoxycillin for a blood infection, but when doctors examined the pills, they informed her that they were, in fact, abortion pills.

FBI agents would interview Welden and he would admit to the agents that he had switched the bottles on purpose. he was arrested and charged with first-degree murder and tampering with the medication. Lee has also filed a civil lawsuit against Weldon, seeking a minimum of $15,000 in punitive damages while citing battery and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

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John Welden’s once promising life is now over. A fact he must have realized with his last post on Facebook that simply  stated: “Please pray for me.”

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  • RT @dreamindemon: John Welden Accused Of Tricking Pregnant Girlfriend Into Taking Abortion Pill – http://t.co/Cy8QDceQMl

  • Horrific!

  • What in the fuck. This guy is a serious piece of shit

  • If you aint cheatin’ you aint tryin’.

  • Buffettgirl

    I don’t think a story on here has made me this sick to my stomach before. What a pure, evil, vile monster this kid is. How awful for that poor girl, not only was her baby killed, it was the Daddy that did it, before she even got to meet her baby…

  • Evan Oswald

    i don’t advocate what this Florida (again!) man did. With that said, it is obvious to me that he did not want her to have a baby. Did they talk about it – and she was like “F U John i’m having your baby. period.”?

  • GGMon

    Pray for you? After inflicting the pain and emotional stress you caused your GF, you think you’re deserving of sympathy? Fuck this guy.

  • asshole

  • Wow, with everything else to worry about…one more thing.

  • Who in their right mind would want to have sexual relations with that biv elephant eared weirdo? He is fugly.

  • Whoa…..Whoa….

  • IntelligentVirtue

    OmG, I was just reading about this. Yes the son is an evil conniving ass but I mean this chic wasn’t aware of dr confidentiality/ privacy laws? You know what, seeing the lengths that this asshole went through to avoid the pregnancy I’m gonna assume that he also made up some sort of consent form story to to maneuver around HIPPA laws because I’m hoping she isn’t that stupid

  • Let’s abort him!

  • I saw that on a law & order: SVU like 2+ years ago… 0 points for originality…

  • This so horrible, and I hate to say this but I don’t think he will get much time for this, at 6 weeks it would not be protected.

  • Very little leaves me speechless anymore, but this has. Wow. Just wow.

  • CT

    Accidents can happen to anyone. If you think about ahead of time – which most of us don’t – you really have a few choices. 1) Keep your dick in your pants 2) Know up front what your partners choice would be if the choice has to be made – if you can’t live with being a parent – again, keep it in your pants and 3) trust no one when it comes to birth control – only trust yourself but know accidents can STILL HAPPEN.

    Stupid fuck. It just amazes me that someone does something so fucking stupid and doesn’t really think they will get caught.

  • “@dreamindemon: John Welden Accused Of Tricking Pregnant Girlfriend Into Taking Abortion Pill – http://t.co/JAVvn1k4lW

    What a Cunt !

  • Athena

    I hate to politicize things… Wait, no I don’t. But, these first-degree murder charges in relation to forced miscarriages/abortions make me nervous. It seems they may be setting the stage for a substantial attack on abortion rights.

    That said, it frightens me that such evil, selfish morons can get into medical school. I can only hope they’re all weeded out through the course work or they’re fucked up actions… but I have reason to believe more than a few sneak through. O.o

  • It is murder if someone kills your baby without your consent, it is a “choice” if you kill it yourself.

  • I’d ask for a hell alot more than 15k! And I foresee this going into a “it’s a not a person until it’s born” at trial.. which I agree with…. But this guy is a total ass for forcing an abortion on her and should be tried for first degree.

  • Jessica Bolanos

    Wow for a pre-med student he sure is a dumbass. I hope his father wasn’t involved.

  • Jessica Bolanos

    I am pro life mostly on late term abortions but I also feel that to each their own. However I feel that legally you can’t have it both ways. Either it’s murder or not. If a woman can decide to abort her child, why can’t a man, when it’s his also. And when a woman does have an abortion she is killing the man’s baby. I don’t know if that makes sense. Just my two cents. Btw I do not agree with what this loser did.

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    Holy sociopath, Batman! While I wouldn’t ordinarily favor first-degree murder charges for an abortion, it was a non-consensual abortion, and she could have ended up dead from the side effects of the medication he gave her, since it sounded like he gave her more than enough to do the job and claimed it was an antibiotic (this is why med students aren’t allowed to write prescriptions–until they go through the training to become full-fledged doctors, they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing…although he could have meant to kill her, too).

  • He could have avoided all this by investing in a pack of Trojans! YIKES!

  • He didn’t want a baby. Simple as that. Wouldn’t be an issue if she’d just have the fucking abortion like she’s supposed to.

  • Couldn’t agree with you more. And the dog in your avatar, is that your dog? That is one sweet face right there!

  • Athena

    Well, that’s a bit extreme. (But I’m not the down-voter, I feel I should add.)

    Nothing can be totally fair or equal when it comes to reproductive rights. When I get pregnant, I am assuming 100% of the physical risk, which is why I get 100% of the right to decide whether or not to continue carrying the risk.

  • Defafan

    This dumbfuck male pig ruined his life. I hope this girl can pick up the pieces and choose a better partner to build a family with. Sadly, it sounds like he did her a favor, at least this loser will be out of her life for good.

  • Buffettgirl

    Thanks – but no, it’s actually a picture Morbid picked for one of the Pit Bull stories and it was so damn cute I stole it and made it my own. 🙂

  • Buffettgirl

    Yup – still lovin’ my down-vote stalker… because otherwise, if you down-voted this comment, you’re one sick fuck that thinks what this piece of shark excrement did is just fine and dandy…

  • Eliza Berntsen

    Why wasn’t he so proactive whilst shooting his load? Or did it not occur to him that that’s how babies are made?

  • Woah!

  • If he wouldn’t have fucked her she wouldn’t have gotten pregnant, its just as much his fault as it hers.
    It wasn’t his choice to make, it was hers. If HE didn’t want kids HE should have worn a condom.
    Typical of scared immature boys.

  • I’m with Tricia on this one…The loser obviously wasn’t worried about having a baby when he shived his on covered richard up in her. The dude is a cowardly irresponsible piece of shit that should be shot

  • John Welden Accused Of Tricking Pregnant Girlfriend Into Taking Abortion Pill – http://t.co/X06wa6jR68

  • Texas Ranger

    #’s 1,2,3 are not possible a lot of the times. “Know up front the partners choice?!?” Hell most times I don’t even know her name!

  • Texas Ranger

    I’ll pray for you asshole. I pray you one day want a child really badly, and you can’t because your dick and balls were eaten by a pit-bull. Amen.

  • With is little sad puppy dog eyes I am sure he will get plenty of people willing to do that on a regular basis.

  • Jessica Stewart

    In some ways I kind of agree with both you and Jessica. I think women should have the right to choose, but at the same time there are some women out there that will get pregnant just to try and control/bleed money from/attach themselves to a guy. He shouldn’t have done what he did, and I don’t really know that it should qualify as first degree murder, but I believe that a man should be given the same right to opt in or out of having a child as a woman, and there’s no easy solution to that. If the positions were reversed i.e. a woman got pregnant and the father wanted it but she aborted anyway, this wouldn’t even be a story, a court case maybe, but not as uncommon as you would think.

  • laurablue87

    Even if that’s how it happened, what does that matter? When you stick your dick in a female, you automatically accept any consequences that may come with that.

  • Brent Williams

    You’re in medical school and you can’t conclude that the processes you have set in motion will ultimately and inevitably result in this poor girl seeking medical intervention which in turn leaves you without a pot to piss in? Fuckin’ idiot.

  • tkaz

    I did that….kind of happy my ex didn’t have an OBGYN for a dad because my 14 yr old daughter is awesome & he missed out.

  • tkaz

    I recently was given a drug for an ectopic..it HAD to happen unlike this womans pregnancy but the physical effects of these pills are bad enough, but the guilt??? That’s something else entirely, I’m so sorry for this woman!
    I hope she can heal and move on….something like this affects your soul.

  • 18th40

    I like that, it was touching actually, just the right amount of feeling without going overboard on the sentimental stuff, you must be in Toastmasters. Heh, I’ll be damned, if you say it right it even has a certain cadence.

  • Vesper B

    You’d be surprised at how many people don’t get confidentiality laws. I teach at university and I constantly have parents calling me (or emailing me) demanding their children’s grades or progress reports.

  • Athena

    Here’s the problem with allowing males to opt out: Once the baby is born, it is now the most important thing in the picture. And I’m not talking about from an emotional/moral position, but from a social/legal position. Single parents already cost this nation tens of billions of dollars annually. If men were simply able to walk away no-strings-attached, that amount would spike even higher. To give males more rights in this situation would directly translate to baby having fewer rights.

    Men need to simply understand that the situation is inherently unfair and protect themselves accordingly, rather than wait for the government to try to find a way to even the playing field (because it will never happen – to do so would screw society HARD). It’s inherently unfair that women have to assume the physical risk, so until I was ready to assume that risk, I just didn’t get pregnant.

    Unfortunately, this is the kind of situation only solved by personal responsibility… something so few are good at.

  • We are humans we have sex. If we had kids every time we had sex we’d have a thousand fuckin children running around. Accidents happen and if he wasn’t ready to take care of a child she should have also known that before she allowed him to nut in her. There are both wrong here. Something tells me that he would have been an extremely horrible father and at least his genes aren’t being passed on.

  • They*

  • Texas Ranger

    I don’t think I’m smart enough to know if your fuckin with me or not….All them big words cornfuse me.

  • Wolf_of_Mars


  • Wolf_of_Mars

    I don’t know if this sick ‘lil fuck could get more evil.
    On top of the twisted thing he did to her, his fucked-up actions might just cost his own father his license to practice medicine. Poppa didn’t keep his scrip pad under personal control. That might be good for a mighty long suspension.

  • Buffettgirl

    The kid is an oxygen-stealing maggot that needs to just be done away with… Road-trip to Tampa anyone???

  • 18th40

    I never joke about Toastmasters Tex, never.

  • A I

    how is it murder at 6 weeks?

  • G.I.R.L.

    Next time wear a condom or at least explain to her that you don’t want to be a father.

  • abbys_mom

    Even so, even if that’s how it went down, it doesn’t matter. It’s still her choice ultimately. People cannot support choice only when it suits them.

  • SillyCynic

    How men can protect themselves for less than 0.01% of lifetime child support costs: (My least favorite being #1, only 3 of these have a 99%+ success rate)

    1) Abstinence.

    2) Condoms

    3) Vasectomy

    4) Fake last name.

    (#4 is a joke, it’s not a dick, don’t take it so hard.)

  • SillyCynic

    Because want separates murder and birth control.

    –That’s my understanding. I have a pecker, so I’m not quite sure…nor do I really care too much.

  • MyHovercraftIsFullofEels

    This is straight out of Law & Order SVU, except the girl died after getting an infection after the “miscarriage” caused by the boyfriend who tricked her with the abortion drug.

  • SillyCynic

    Question out of ignorance because I DON’T understand the feelings (I don’t like kids, and so, I don’t understand the desire for wanting them.) It isn’t intended as a snide reply.

    Him aborting (his) child without moms permission, makes him an evil, vile, monster of a person, but a female aborting her child without dad’s permission is a-ok?

    Is this purely based on ‘location-location-location’ in relation to the fetal growth, or is it based on some other (I don’t grasp the concept) logic?

  • Athena

    Fake last name works AMAZINGLY well, actually… and they’re so much more fun than #1 (or #2 or #3, come to think of it).

  • Jessica Stewart

    Sure, there’s a huge lack of personal responsibility in this country. I don’t have a child specifically for the reason you’ve stated, and for others as well. To clarify my earlier statement, I meant that the father should have a way to opt out before the child is born, when the mother can still choose have an abortion, or not. Not after the child is born and he decides he doesn’t wanna play house anymore. I realize that there is no way to make this fair or simple, I have seen both sides of this argument play out in various ways with male and female friends, and it so rarely ends with everyone satisfied, much less happy.

    On more of a ‘devil’s advocate’ bent, (and not specifically in response to you Athena) nobody knows if she had decided to have the child, or if the couple had discussed family planning at all. It would not justify his actions in anyway, but six weeks in is still early enough that you can get an abortion in many places. Doesn’t make what he did right, doesn’t make it his decision, even if she had said she was going to have an abortion at some point either before or after getting pregnant. There are just so many possible factors though.

    Do I get kicked out of the play pen if I get too many down votes?

  • Jessica Stewart

    There’s a song about that, I think the next line is “My momma would be so ashamed” lol

  • Everybody is assuming that he didn’t use a condom or that she wasn’t on the pill but I have a 6 year old running around who is proof that no birth control is 100% effective. I don’t know why so many in our society still act SHOCKED, absolutely shocked that sex makes babies. SEX MAKES BABIES. The stork does not bring babies.

    That being said, I know someone who had a medical abortion and it is no joke. You bleed a lot and clot huge softball sized clots and she said it was the most excruciating pain she has ever felt. This loser not only killed his child who was a unique living human being but he could have killed his girlfriend as well. She was under no doctor’s care and she could have bled to death like Holly Patterson. What a fool. He deserves to have his life ruined. Who would want a selfish moron like that practicing medicine on them? Not me.

  • SillyCynic

    Abstinence, complete hysterectomy, castration, and vasectomy are 100% effective birth control, especially if all used in tandem.

  • Athena

    Neither is “a-ok”. But I revert back to the physical risk/responsibility thing. So, yeah… location, location, location.

  • Athena

    It’s just about impossible for non-troll to get kicked out of the playpen. You’re safe. Embrace your down-votes. It often means you’re doing something right. 😉

    In theory, I support an opt-out option for men prior to viability. In reality, I think it would be impossible to enforce.

  • G.I.R.L.

    It really isn’t “murder”, a few more weeks than maybe. Athena made an excellent comment about this above. He was wrong though and he did have “intent” to kill the baby…So but yeah unless she sought out the abortion and agreed to it then… i dunno where I’m going with this.

  • Jessica Stewart

    Erm…I’d agree with you if there weren’t people out there knowingly exposing others to HIV/AIDS. You can’t say you automatically accept that as a potential consequence when you sleep with someone. So, yes, there are potential consequences every time you have sex with someone, but that you accept ANY consequences….no, I would disagree with that. Having sex should not be akin to playing Russian Roulette

  • Jessica Stewart

    Also this: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/health&id=8882020, well once the FDA approves it, Non hormonal, supposedly %100 effective, easily reversible, Male birth control! I wish they had this for women.

  • SillyCynic

    …Coming from a woman…….

    I’d venture a say, Dear madam, that if you and I were still children on the playground, I’d inquire, through leveraged force, the tensile strength of your hair.

    My name is Mr. Johnson, or Jonston…whatever.

    “I just met you, and this is crazy, so delete my number, and keep the baby.”

  • Whatevn

    How can this be down voted?

  • Can’t argue with that! lol.

  • SillyCynic

    I didn’t read that much into it, but my understanding is: it’s a filter that goes in your ball tube and stops the squirmies from wrigglin’ their way up top.

    It seems…illogical. In a house does one not have to change their air filter every (roughly) 1-2 months because they start to clog? With how often some of us hold our sausage’s hostage, I’d feel it’s safe to assume I may be clogged stuffed up with a burst pipe after just a few short days…

  • Heather4877

    This fuckstick was going to be practicing medicine at some level…? This poor woman possibly saved a lot of people heartache. Who knows what he’d be capable of later on.

  • SillyCynic

    I’ve told every gf I’ve ever had, that I don’t have a desire to be a father. Ever. That has stopped exactly 0 of them from trying to change my mind.

    It’s not that simple to just ‘say it.’

    (Edited: And, btw, I’m 28 and content with the fact that this makes me in-eligible boyfriend material for a vast majority of women)

  • G.I.R.L.

    Figures. Chicks always look for guys to “change” rather than find a guy who wants what they want. It vexes me so that I may just pop an ovarie and/or testicle.

    Seriously, you better start doubling your condoms.

  • Hush

    When my current husband divorces me for not wanting kids and not being able to change my mind… Do you wanna go on a date?

  • SillyCynic

    I think the thoughts about wanting to ‘change you’ has more to do with the thrill of the chase, than any actual desire to change you per se.

    If you get your way = it’s no longer fun
    If you get a taste of the W but not the whole win you chase it = you need more.

    Vicious cycle.

  • Jessica Stewart

    HA! I think they’ve changed the description of how it works, due to the original description sounding less….appetizing? No, bad word choice. In the earlier descriptions I read last year, the little guys were supposedly ripped apart when passing through and well, I think that made a few men cross their legs. Additionally, if left “unattended” for a long period of time, your balls don’t explode from too many spermatozoa, so that’s not really the issue 🙂

  • He’s in Florida, he probably won’t pay, literally and figuratively, unfortunately 🙁

  • Jus Dewit

    Ahhhh, Florida…the sunny state for shady people.

  • Tina Matthews

    Of course you should accept HIV as a consequence of having unprotected sex with someone! HIV isn’t just spread by people maliciously. Having sex is akin to playing Russian Roulette if you are sleeping with people without a condom and without knowing their history. I feel like this message is off track from the story but your post dumbfounded me a bit..

  • 3 in a row out of florida i think that ties the record

  • its hard for me to put this in words with out sounding like a dick i have a kid love her to death but if this guy was willing to do this and say it failed to work who knows what kind of life this baby would of had with this guy around. i have a feeling one way or another this baby was going to have a short life

  • Evan Oswald

    yea you have a great point here scott

  • Evan Oswald

    the way his ear’s are shaped – it looks like someone has used them for handlebars previously

  • wanker!

  • wanker!

  • Yes, we do have sex, which is the reason why there are such a thing as condoms and birth control. I’m sure he’s old enough to know what that is. Or at least use the pull out method. There’s no excuse for this piece of shit. And had the female not wanted the child, I would be saying the same about her. I’m not opposed to abortions but, I am opposed to forcing (Or tricking someone) into doing something their own free will otherwise wants.

  • Yes, we do have sex, which is the reason why there are such a thing as condoms and birth control. I’m sure he’s old enough to know what that is. Or at least use the pull out method. There’s no excuse for this piece of shit. And had the female not wanted the child, I would be saying the same about her. I’m not opposed to abortions but, I am opposed to forcing (Or tricking someone) into doing something their own free will otherwise wants.

  • laurablue87

    Like Tina said, you DO have to accept even HIV as a consequence. I mean, what are you going to do if you contract it? Contest it? Get a refund? Sorry, but as much as it sucks, if you have sex with someone without protection and without knowing their history and/or getting tested, you HAVE to accept any and all consequences. It’s not like after you find out that person gave you HIV you can say, “You know what? I don’t think I ordered this? I’d like an immediate refund, please!”. Because had you done the smart thing and used protection or got tested first, that wouldn’t have happened. Personal responsibility: It’s what’s for dinner!

  • Heather_Habilatory

    It’s fine for him to ditch out if he doesn’t want a baby. (I don’t agree with it, but if he didn’t want to raise the damn kid, he didn’t have to.)

    It’s NOT fine for him to abort the baby BY FORCE.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    There are plenty of children of single mothers with absent asshole dads who are just fine and happy.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Pray for you? Nope.

    I hope people PREY on you.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I just fell in love with you, Ranger.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Two words: daddy’s legacy.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I won’t live through another pregnancy, so I’m done having kids. Just saying 😉

  • Or anal…win, win for everyone.

  • what’s his FB page?

  • Cerrisse

    A similar thing happened to someone I know. I was briefly married to this freakshow who was a member of a fake tribe and training to be a medicine man. (I call him Pretindian now). AFTER we had gotten married (because I would never have married him knowing this story) he related to me that he had gotten a girlfriend pregnant years before, and performed a “ceremony” to cause her miscarriage. There are plants which can cause a miscarriage, and he did have a lot of knowledge about plants and such, so I have no doubt he somehow tricked her into ingesting these as part of his “ceremony.” After getting him out of my life, I tracked this girl down and told her what he had said. She had suspected this all along. She is happily married with two beautiful girls now, and I just couldn’t stress to her how much better off she was without this freak in her life. I fully expect to see an article about him on the Demon someday.

  • Buffettgirl

    As far as I am concerned the answer is no – it is NOT fine for a woman to go and have an abortion without first discussing it with the father of the child in question.

  • t0ofIy

    Creative, but bad. Kind of like artistic graffiti.

  • ck819

    I went to his dad for a consult when I was having problems getting pregnant. His dad was very religious and said that if we ended up with multiples, he does not do selective reduction. I bet his dad is sick to his stomach over this.

  • Buffettgirl

    HILARIOUS last line… well, the whole post really – well done!

  • JustBrowsingLife

    This would be a great argument if the man was pregnant. This was not only murder of the fetus but a poisoning of the mother. Giving a person medication without benefit of a medical examination or their knowledge is by definition a poisoning. He could have been facing two counts of murder. I am suprised he has not been charged with attempted murder as well.

  • JustBrowsingLife

    Wait! What? Where did the article state that anyone was exposed to a STD? One argument at a time please. I get confused. The STD article will undoubtedly be posted here on DD sooner or later.

  • JustBrowsingLife

    Love makes people do sad and stupid things like trust. If my husband told me it was an antibiotic it’s an antibiotic. Who does this kind of thing. Who would think this kind of thing about their significant other? Not normal ones for sure.

  • JustBrowsingLife

    She was older than 6 weeks. He risked her life as well. The prosecutors did not charge this case correctly. Should have been attempted murder by poisoning. If they can get murder then that is a bonus.

  • I agree that this is not only sick, but intentional murder. That having been said, if the mother had simply decided to do this on her own, it would be completely legal. Making abortion on demand acceptable, especially with over the counter “morning after” pills, makes the termination of a pregnancy as easy as treatment of heart burn. I guess what I am trying to say is, I can understand why this idiot did what he did, without thinking about being prosecuted for murder. Life is getting cheaper every passing day.

  • kimbev69

    Since it is her body not his i think this question is a bit moronic sorry but if someone decided to castrate you would u be ok with that? I know its not the same but giving this girl those pills without her knowledge could have had her in a serious issue with the hemoragging that comes with it

  • kimbev69

    I dont agree, i was in a relationship for four months and he kept asking to move in and he wanted to have a kid asap, well i had enough one nite and told him it was over and before i knew it i had a knife to my throat and as i was trying to get away he put my head through the window of my backdoor, i got out the door by holding it closed on his arm as he pulled a huge fistfull of hair out of my head while trying to drag me back in, my feet and knees were torn to shreds from the concrete and glass, the cops let him go home that nite as he yelled “i am coming back to kill you”. So the day we went to court for the restraining order i found out i was pregnant, i didnt even think twice about getting an abortion i knew i could not have that man in my life or in a childs life forever, it was the hardest thing i ever did and part of me has regretted it but i know he messed with the condoms cause we always used them,

  • kimbev69

    Does that even matter? He put his penis in her obviously without a condom

  • kimbev69

    Seriously then why didnt he wear a condom

  • kimbev69

    The thing that bothers me is that with this for ed abortion she could now be damaged and possibly not have kids ever

  • kimbev69

    The laws have changed and it is murder in alot of states to kill an unborn child

  • kimbev69

    I think it is stated “without the mothers consent” in the new laws which protects everyones right to abortion

  • kimbev69

    He could have “opted” out by wearing a condom its like what $6 for a box of three

  • SillyCynic

    So, it’s moronic because I (as stated) ignorantly don’t know the side effects of the pill?

  • everjaded

    Truth!!! I work at a health insurance company and deal with this constantly. Parents call and want all sorts of HIPAA protected information, which we can’t discuss without a consent form on file. And then invariably the next thing out of their mouth is demanding that I cancel their child’s policy since I won’t (can’t) help them. As if they have the authority to terminate a policy when they don’t even have the authority to obtain information on it. But this is constant.

  • PondGal

    While I agree that what this kid did was wrong,….first degree murder seems a bit much. How would we all feel if this had been a 16 year old pregnant and the person who switched the meds was Mom? I am a strong supporter of the right to choose, but whether it was the pregnant girl who choose an abortion or the man or someone else,…same 6 week fetus,…..

  • Jessica Stewart

    He may have done so, condoms are not 100% effective against pregnancy, and many STI’s.

  • Jessica Stewart

    It didn’t say that anyone was exposed to an STD, I was responding to the comment above mine.

  • Jessica Stewart

    I would agree with you if people were completely honest all of the time, If spouses never cheated, and methods of preventing the contraction of STI’s were 100% effective, but sadly none of this is true. What if somebody lies about their sexual history? What if you have a cheating spouse? What if you use protection and still contract something? As an equal and opposite reaction; Are you saying if I use protection I DON’T have to accept any consequences?

  • Jessica Stewart

    I was responding to the comment above mine. STI’s are a potential consequence of having sex with people. And I didn’t say unprotected sex, you assumed that, and you’re also assuming that the people in the article didn’t use protection, which there is no statement about in the article. People can use protection and still get pregnant, people can use protection and birth control and still get pregnant.

  • Char

    But a women could abort the mans child without his permission and that’s legal. This guy gets charged with murder. Not trying to defend him but what a double standard.

  • laurablue87

    No. I think no matter how you go about it, if you have sex, you have to be prepared to accept consequences. That’s life. It sucks.

  • I must be crazy because I get your logic and agree. Perhaps the laws should finally address this issue. Allow dads who want an abortion to waive their rights, including C/S payments to mom if she wants to keep it. I’ll refrain from judging her because it doesn’t state if he ever discussed an abortion with her, or if she was a raging bitch who would actually seek child support if he wanted out. Overall though, its not surprising someone did something desperate to not become a father by force.

  • onlyme356

    No one forced him to become a father, the story doesn’t say he was raped. He willingly had unprotected sex with her. Most competent adults understand that this act can lead to pregnancy.

  • Twisted1

    You too? I am waiting for the day my ex makes it on here. He lives in Florida too. So my chances are even higher!!

  • Twisted1

    Funny thing is he probably wouldn’t have had to pay support either. Child Support Enforcement in Florida is horrible!!! Have not seen a dime of my whole $41 a week in 8 yrs. When I did get money it was sporadic. He is almost $35,000 delinquent.

  • Buffettgirl

    OK – I should have said that there are always going to be exceptions to the situation. Of course in the situation you were in you had no choice but to protect yourself and do what you thought was best. I meant in a more standard relationship it should be discussed by both parties.

  • Vannessa

    it’s a moral issue really. I saw the headline and thought “Huh, he’s crafty, too bad his life is over”. But if he had wanted the child and she aborted it, oh well, no one cares. It’s just the way he went about it. Push her down the stairs next time.

  • Buffettgirl

    Hey – you were lucky if your Mom got $84 for two kids… in the mid 70’s my Mom was granted $100/month for FOUR kids. Now, Dad always paid on time, if not early and ALWAYS gave Mom more, but way back in the day Dads weren’t required to pay like they are today… (but this has nothing to do with your point and I know that, it just triggered a memory – sorry, back to the task at hand…)

    Your points are valid on the face of them, but I have a question for you – when is it a man’s body will ever be invaded by an alien being that will make his life a living hell for a period of 3-9 months will still living as a parasite inside, and THEN cost those same 19 years you’re talking about? It being the woman’s body that has to deal with the trauma of pregnancy, I would say fairness indicates she have a greater say in the continuation/termination of her pregnancy. I don’t believe that woman should use abortion as a form of birth control (and I know some that have and do use it that way) nor do I believe that in average circumstance that the decision is entirely hers to make. Both parties knew the potential consequences prior to engaging in the fun part, it’s not like you can say men don’t know what can happen…

  • Athena

    No, not crazy… Just assumptive and short-sighted.

    Considering this weasel took a particularly passive-aggressive route to causing an abortion, for all we know, he was verbally supporting her pregnancy while concocting his half-wit plan, so as not to cause a fight between them. So I can’t quite support the “father by force” assertion.

    Life’s not fair. Women get the benefit of being able to end a pregnancy because they get the curse of experiencing one. Until men can do the same, they’ll just have to be a bit more careful.

  • kimbev69

    Believe me i think about that “baby” often, i was 21 yrs old and a single mom barely making it and had the offer from my ex husband that he would help me but that was a bad relationship also, it was not something i wanted to do, i count it as part of the abuse he dished out to me

  • Buffettgirl

    I was almost 21 when I was in a situation not unlike yours except the relationship I was in wasn’t physically abusive, and he didn’t realize until years later how emotionally abusive he was being. He actually had enough insight to realize he’d been an ass and took the steps needed to fix himself. I still think about that baby too. I understand your position completely. Maybe because he’s morphed into a decent person and a good friend, and it’s been 20+ years I didn’t think about any of that when I made that first post. I just took the position that prior to this it had been a fairly normal relationship…

  • I love you. You are just so logical. It is the absolute truth, you speak.

  • kimbev69

    I never could understand girls i knew from high school that used abortion like birth control, some were on their third by senior yr

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    Don’t forget the states that have “Presumptive Paternity” laws… A synopsis: If you’re still married when the child is born, the husband is automatically the legal father. In most of those states, DNA proof of another male being the biological father is automatically excluded.
    Still fighting that issue…

  • I’ll pray for him that he gets sodomized by Bubba in prison daily. What a sick sociopath.

  • “Push her down the stairs next time.” Really?

  • Vannessa

    ….. Are you for serious?

  • Buffettgirl

    We graduated (in 1988) with one of our classmates hugely pregnant, and the only reason she decided to keep that baby was because she didn’t want to have 5 abortions under her belt before she left high school…

  • kimbev69

    omg can you imagine the only reason you are alive is because “5” abortions were too many? omg

  • Buffettgirl

    I hope to Hell that boy (not a boy anymore I guess, proud soldier that served honorably in Afghanistan!) has no idea what his Momma used to be like… I will say she mellowed considerably after that, and she did have a seriously chaotic home life as a kid, but damn, I still get stuck on five pregnancies before you graduate high school? I was still a virgin when we graduated! (that was a goal of mine, happy to say I met and exceeded it!)

  • I’m sure my opinion may not be agreed with. But here goes. I have seven children with 5 fathers. I have been married 3 times. 5 of my children live with me. My husband has 3 children from a previous marriage. I pay child support and receive it. My husband pays his too. I have never had an abortion. True I did consider it when I was married to a mentally, physically abusive husband. Having so many children I believe in personal responsibility. I work 365 days a year supporting my children. There’s no confusion in how babies are made. I CHOSE to have my children. Their fathers chose them too. In the fathers that choose to have an involvement in their children’s lives. They need to be responsible. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. In the fathers that choose to walk away. That’s their choice. As mothers, it is our choice to continue with a pregnancy knowing that it can be on our own. So why then do we feel we have the right to chase the fathers down and force them to pay up? Sounds like a BS double standard. We have have the right to choose to have an abortion? Because we aren’t ready to be a mom? Financially? Emotionally? Thats our right. But why do we have the right to force a man to be that?

  • Athena

    So, let me get this straight: You are paying and receiving child support, but don’t believe anyone should have to pay it? So I take it none of your child support arrangements are court ordered? You negotiated voluntary payment terms? And your children wouldn’t suffer a bit if however many of your baby daddies stopped payment this month?

    If an absent parent doesn’t pay child support, typically, one of two things happens: You turn to the state for assistance, or the child experiences a lower quality of life. Neither of those options are fair. The taxpayers didn’t get to screw you to create that child, and your kid should never be denied something that enriches their life (sports, travel, hobbies, etc.) because you believe child support should be voluntary.

    If a woman *can* do it on her own, she should, as opposed to seeking child support out of spite. But when child support is necessary to provide a decent live for a child, there should be nothing voluntary about it, because it’s not about the man’s rights or the woman’s rights when the child is born. It’s about the child’s.

  • A-nony-mous

    That was my thought. Awful what happened to her but thankfully this guy outed himself as a total creeper before he came into daily contact with hundreds of sick and vulnerable people entrusting their lives to him.

  • A-nony-mous

    I don’t entirely know where I stand on the debate of child support. I see both sides of the issue. That said, I don’t view writing a check once a month (or having funds direct deposited into someone else’s account which is how most child support is handled so the parents don’t have to interact) as the same thing as taking on 10 months of physical risk. Do you consider everyone you owe money to to be your master and have ownership of your body? I didn’t realize Netflix and my gym membership could come into my house and do pelvic exams on me and make medical decisions for me just because I owe them money routinely. 😉

    Child Support isn’t subjective either, at least not where I am. There’s set tables. He makes X amount, you get Y amount.

  • It’s easy to assume one way or the other. I 100% agree I am more assumptive that it was just a way out then just a calculated plan to kill a fetus for.. fun? revenge? I don’t know.. It comes with my own experiences of participating with a group of single fathers who were being spanked by the courts. I can acknowledge that. It’s the assumption men aren’t being careful. There are a million different scenarios that could have transpired to make either one seem horrific in their own way. Regardless the reason, I still think we should be allowing men out if they aren’t ready to be a father and the woman wants to keep the child. Which may or may not apply to this mans reasonings. I do not advocate switching meds and causing an abortion. I do not believe an abortion should be forced on someone. I do believe Life isn’t fair, and family court sure as hell are fair. It destroys lives, financially and emotionally. Men need options too.

  • BlackClouds

    White people are the worst scourge on the earth. Damn savages.

  • whitrome

    That’s me. My birth mother was refused when she tried to have me aborted, due to the fact that her records showed that she had multiple abortions in close porximity. The doctors she saw all refused to do it and then it was too late, so she had me and arranged an adoption with my fabulous, loving, wonderful parents. They were present at my birth and I’ve never seen my birth mother. Not since I was exiting her uterus, at least.

    I’m still pro-choice, though. I don’t think anyone but me has the right to regulate my body.

  • kimbev69

    Good for you i think thats a great story and you have loving parents whose wish came true

  • Robyn Kern

    Don’t you ever regret it, it was something you had to do or that scumbag would be in your life for the rest of your life. It was a difficult choice for you to make and you made it. You are a strong, courageous woman and don’t you forget it!