Debra Denison Killed Her Two Grandchildren Then Killed Herself

Again with stupid assholes doing it in the wrong order. Step 1: Kill self first. Step 2: Kill everyone else.

Shooting a baby?!? Too bad there is no hell for this cunt to rot in.

I don’t even have words. Can you imagine the devastation of going from sitting amongst the presents you lovingly chose/bought/wrapped and imagining your boy’s face when he opens them, to losing both your babies? And at the hands of your mother?? I would probably just have given up at that point. Heartbreaking. RIP little ones.

It would be the parent’s fault that the day care released the kids to her. Most day cares won’t let anyone else pick a child up unless they were designated as someone allowed to pick the children up. This would be a form filled out and signed by the parents. If the people who knew her thought her mental issues weren’t a problem, then how could a day care know? They don’t ask if anyone on your designated pick up list has any mental issues they should know about.

Her daughter had grown accustomed to her mothers “ways” and saw nothing abnormal…abnormal compared to what she’d grown up with. The warning signs weren’t there for her because she was desensitized. Naivete & denial, totally.

My thoughts exactly! According to another article the parents knew she had a gun and severe mental issues. ???????????????????????? I’m really not judging them, I just don’t quite understand their thought process.

i just wanna punch this cunt in the face…how sad on the older ones b’day…or any day for that matter but damn he thought he was going home to cake and presents…what a cunt

is it strange for me to say i hope the older boy was first so he didn’t have to see his baby brother like that…it gives me goose bumps to say such a thing but i just hope he didn’t see this

I’m talking about the parents. As a parent, if I had a bipolar individual in my life, I would love them and spend time with them just the same, but they wouldn’t be on my babysitting list, and it’s well within my rights as a parent to determine that.

I’m not looking to vilify people with manic depression or related conditions or anything like that. Like I’ve said, I have a great deal of sympathy.

For the record a legal in good working conditions daycare require that the PARENTS OR GUARDIANS put in their application WHO can pick up the child/ren. This means the parents gave permission to the daycare to release the children to her. All the daycare has to ask for is a gov. issued ID with picture and to check the child/ren’s files.

Edit: xootloersx explained it, I hadn’t checked down.

If she was a christian, yes there is a hell. She committed suicide and that’s a sin. Point for Christianity.

Granted, it is well within your rights as a parent to determine who will be with your kids

and who won’t.

“…but in no way, shape or form should they have unsupervised access to kids if they suffer from a condition characterized by suicide attempts.” And you are well within your rights to have this viewpoint as well.

“I have a great deal of sympathy…” But it’s not an understanding of mental illness.

While you are well within your rights to express, believe, and support your convictions, you further perpetuate the stigma, stereotype and discrimination of mentally ill people. That is something I can’t tolerate.

I AM Bi-polar, chronic, severe. One of the worst diagnosis for bi-polar people. It means that I have many mood cycles throughout the day, with 3-4 mood cycles in a year. I also have Seasonal Affective D/O, Dissociative D/O and PTSD in remission.

I have been hospitalized x2, have tried suicide-died x2, ideations and self harm.

I am a wife, mother, sister and friend. And am no more harmful around children or adults than The-Man-in-the-Moon.

And I will tell you why. But first I need to dispel some misconceptions about mentally ill people.

1. It’s not about the meds. Meds are just a small fraction in managing mental illness.

2. Mental illness is not curable but can be managed; much like diabetes.
3. Like diabetes, there is a treatment plan to follow, which partially encompasses education of the illness, options for treatment, co-treatment etc.

4. Mentally ill people can never be trusted. Not true.

5. Mentally ill people don’t contribute significantly to society.

6. Mentally ill people should be locked away.

In my case, I had to work through victim issues, survivor guilt and mode, acceptance and living. My treatment plan is knowing my triggers and what to do, knowing when I’m cycling, asking for help and all along educating my family and friends about my illness and what to do.

It’s been a long, long journey of self-discovery, re-inventing myself many times over, a lot of soul pain, endless streams of medications to find the right combination, and lots of behavior modification and adaptations to live in this world.

I chose to take toxic medications that are slowly killing me – a little bit of my liver every day, pieces of my heart, my brain – just to be in the here and now.

I chose to work the treatment plan no matter how painful or scary it was; just to be in the here and now.

It’s funny how most people would let an undiagnosed mentally ill person be around children, guns, family and friends than a person who has a diagnosis and is more self-aware than most, on mediations and an effective treatment plan.

Me, I would much rather go with the known than the unknown, someone who is stable than not.

If that isn’t enough, then please note the following people:

Abraham Lincoln
Robin Williams
Johnathan Winters
John Nash noble prize winner mathematics
Charles Dickens
Leo Tolstoy
Ernest Hemingway
Edgar Allen Poe
Picasso
Beethoven
John Keats
Victor Hugo
Florence Nightingale
Kurt Vonnegut
Jim Carrey
Beethoven

Issac Newton
Eienstein
Van Gogh
Winston Churchill
Michelangelo
Mother Teresa…. (and the list goes on)

All suffered and suffer from mental illness.

If we are to judged, then judge us on our merits, not our illness.

This story wrecked my day. What’s worse is that I know this story will be chalked up to gun control, instead of the serious lack of mental healthcare this country is facing. Why was this obviously unstable woman given such easy access to both firearms and innocent children incapable of defending themselves? Was she off her meds? Did she show any signs of deviation from her normal disposition? Was there any recent trauma, stress, or signs of depression? So many questions swirl in my head, but more than anything my heart breaks for these two boys, their mother, and family who are now forced to ask these questions as they bury the innocent.

Why was she allowed to pick the kids up? And she had a gun? Real nice for the mom to defend her .

I am the daughter of a mentally ill parent and I also have two small children. I had to make the descion to disconnect from my mother for the sake of my children, her episodes and hospital stays are numerous and even though at times she seems sane I cannot ever trust her alone with my children. She is capable of snapping at anytime and unfortunately that wont ever change. She was very ill when I was growing up and I was verbally and physically abused, she was not diagnosed until about 4 years ago though. My children know never to go with her if she were to show up at school and everyone close to me knows she cannot take my children. I realize this is not her fault but I cannot place my children in harms way because I feel badly for my mother. She is allowed to see them supervised but she has decided since she isn’t allowed to be alone with them that she wants to cut us out of her life.

My 12 year olds are saying cray-cray…Where in the world did this come from?

It’s so sad that your mother won’t agree to your rules regarding your children. She’s missing out. But that’s her choice. You have to do what’s best for your children. Some mentally ill people don’t respond well to treatment. Your mother sounds like one of them. It’s not her fault, but your children come first. My husband and I had to make the same decision when it came to his mother. It was a heart-rending choice, but we don’t regret it.

My mother-in-law is severely mentally ill (I don’t know her diagnosis, but she lies, manipulates, steals, and when all these fail, she gets dangerously violent) and refuses to acknowledge there’s anything wrong with her. When I became pregnant, my husband told her she could have supervised access to our child. She agreed, but when he was six days old, she walked into the NICU, told the weekend shift nurses (who didn’t know me yet) that she was me and attempted to take him out of the incubator. At that point, we knew she’d never agree to supervision and that as long as she was around, our son was in danger. So my husband had to cut ties with her.

To contrast, my father is mentally ill, but his condition is different than my mother-in-law’s. (He suffers from depressive episodes and mild panic attacks.) He accepts that he has a condition, goes to therapy once a week, takes his medications and follows his treatment plan to the letter. He’s the most stable, mellow and dependable person I know. He respects every decision I make in my life, even those he doesn’t personally agree with. He has never undermined me or given me a reason not to trust him. I have no problem entrusting my son to him. I mention him because I wanted to show that not all people with the “mental illness” label are to be mistrusted. It depends on the individual’s personality and where they are in their treatment. If my father had a violent temperament, refused to acknowledge his condition and/or refused treatment, I would more than likely feel differently about him.

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She had her chance. She gave my daughter weird looks when we were in court for child support ( because my ex hadn’t paid one penny ever for our son), left me and my son waiting 1& 1/2 hours for her at my house then she decided to call and say she couldnt make it cause she was running late from seeing her other grandson and had to let her dog out( never called to set up another visit), would text to say she wanted to meet my son never followed through, has never sent a 99 cent card( will text my son happy b day days after he is 2 he cant read..),. NOW she wanted to set a up a visit to meet him he is 28 months. She really must be actually crazy if she thinks I will give her another chance to stand my son up. Its very sad when people cant act right.

I judge all people objectively, based on the evidence available to me. Having been raised by two people with severe depression/anxiety disorders, one of whom has been dead for many years now, I have dedicated a great deal of time to understanding mental illness of all kinds. I am not one who is characterized by ignorant prejudice. I am sorry that my opinion disturbs you. I can certainly see how it would.

Oh, this Bitch tried to set me up to take $2,000 as payment in full for $7,000+ in child support. When she wrote the check from her and her son’s joint account (o.0) she wrote in the memo part “For payment of all back child support.” Then came to the court and said I agreed to it by cashing the check. I laughed at her, and the judge told her “Nice try, I can see from where your son was taught responsibility.”
Plus, she kept it to herself that her son was screwing my x best friend while also seeing me, and clipped a chuck out of my daughter’s finger just days after I cut her nails myself, poured expressed breast milk down the drain, and gave her a bottle of formula, smoked in the same room as her, then literally sprayed her with perfume to try to mask it. She was 3 months old and smelled like a French whore.
Also, standing her up about a dozen times…

The daughter must be pulling her hair out putting together the signs she missed and the ones she ignored. Denial can be extremely dangerous as is proven here.

I think what Kimb. was addressing was the statement that Athena made:

“but in no way, shape or form should they have unsupervised access to kids if they suffer from a condition characterized by suicide attempts.”

Kim was not stating that a parent cannot choose whose care a child should be in. It is a given that a parent has that right.

But to make a statement that a person with a mental health diagnosis should not be around children unsupervised – ever – is discrimination.

That’s the issue. People with a DIAGNOSED mental illness.

My “father” doesn’t have a diagnosis. But there is no way in hell I’ll let him have contact with my son or me.

Same with a brother. No diagnosis, but there is no contact there.

Same with an uncle. No diagnosis either. And I consider all 3 far more dangerous and sick than me, who does have a diagnosis.

Actually, there is. The 1990′s Americans with Disabilities Act.

“The U.S. legal system is not adequately protecting the rights of parents with disabilities, the report says, citing child welfare laws in most states allowing courts to determine that a parent is unfit on the basis of a disability. Terminating parental rights on such grounds “clearly violates” the intent of the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act, the report contends.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/26/disabled-parents-custody-adoption/1726465/

http://www.ada.gov/