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Two Washington Fifth Graders Accused Of Plotting The Murder Of ClassmatesColville, WA – Two fifth graders in Washington have been arrested, accused of plotting the death of a fellow classmate because she was rude and annoying.

Their plan was discovered on February 7th after a student at Fort Colville Elementary School told a teacher he had seen one of the accused with a knife. When the teacher searched the backpacks belonging to the boy and his 10-year-old friend, they found a knife with a three-and-a-quarter inch blade, a .45 calibre Remington 1911 semiautomatic handgun and an ammunition clip.

When the boys were later questioned separately by police, they both confessed to planning on luring a female classmate outside of the school to kill her, and confessed to having six other students on their hit list who’d they planned on killing by also luring away from the school one at a time.

The 11-year-old admitted he just wanted the girl dead because she was rude and picked on him. He planned to kill the girl with the knife while his younger friend used a gun he’d stolen from his other brother to keep people from stopping him. The 10-year-old told authorities he’d been in “a short dating relationship” with the girl, but that “she’s rude and always made fun of me and my friends,” court papers said.

Officers noticed that during his interview with the older boy that he “did not display any emotion or remorse,” court papers said. They also learned that the two boys had paid another student $80 for their silence after the student found out about the two boys’ murder plot weeks earlier.

Stevens County prosecuting attorney, Timothy Rasmussen, told reporters this just wasn’t some kids talking shit, they intended to follow through with their plan. ”To me, 10 and 11-year-olds do bad things. They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people’s cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire (uh, what?). Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill,” he said.

This is why he will argue that the boys should be held criminally responsible on charges of conspiracy to commit murder in the first-degree and witness tampering. While Washington presumes children under 12 don’t have the capacity to understand they are planning to commit crimes, a judge can allow prosecutors to pursue criminal charges in juvenile court for children between the ages of 8 and 12, but only if prosecutors can show the juveniles understood the difference between right and wrong.

Pam Loginsky of the Washington Association of Prosecuting Attorneys in Olympia said some of the key factors a judge will decide on is if the boys knew their plan was wrong, did they try to get others not to tell on them, and had they engaged in similar conduct before. “Did they understand it was wrong at the time they did it, not just after they were caught?” added Loginsky

If the boys are convicted in juvenile court, they would likely be incarcerated in a juvenile hall, possibly up to the age of 18. Which may not be a bad idea for the 11-year-old because, get this — while being transported to the Stevens County Courthouse, the juvenile probation department staff told a detective that they overheard the older boy telling his friend: “If I find out who told them about our weapons, I’m going to kill them. I don’t care; when I get out of jail I’m going to come back and kill them,” according to court papers. Jesus.

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  • Buffettgirl

    Where did kids 10 & 11 get $80.00 to buy silence? Shit, I’m down to $65.00 in the ol’ checking account right now…

  • JGo555

    O_O THAT IS FUCKING HARDCORE!! I will assume they are psychopaths?

  • Meme Bee

    “they set a cat on fire ” clearly the prosecutor visits D’D too often

  • NY_Mommy

    Yikes, I wonder if lil Damien’s parents sleep with their bedroom door bolted from the inside!!

  • Lisa Mallo

    Right? The knife didn’t surprise me. The gun didn’t surprise me. The $80 did.

  • Buffettgirl

    Crazy isn’t it? We’re immune to kids with weapons but give the little shitmonkeys some money and we’re all shocked! ;-)

  • Athena

    When I was in 5th grade, a couple of other girls and I planned on slipping some ipecac into another classmate’s drink to embarrass her. I don’t remember why, I just remember tasting the ipecac and realizing it couldn’t be done. Shit tastes awful.

    That said, I don’t think these kids are sociopaths, necessarily. With kids this age, things like compassion and judgment are not fully developed, but imaginations are strong. This combination of factors creates conditions conducive to getting swept away in plotting.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing them get some time in juvie, but during that time, I’d like the authorities to be so far up those families’ asses, these kids won’t be able to get their hands on a steak knife by the time they’re released. I place the responsibility for this situation more solidly on the families than I do a couple of prepubescent children.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I am flabbergasted that the prosecutor seems to think kids burning cats at that age is no different than them throwing a rock and breaking a window. WTF?
    Also, if this little shit wanted to kill his girlfriend with a knife at 10yo for being rude and annoying, can you imagine what he’s going to want to do to a teenage girlfriend? Sheesh.

  • Twisted1

    My kids had more compassion in the fifth grade then they do now as teens. My son used to take the blame for his sister so she would not get into trouble. My daughter in fifth grade got a free gift certificate for any restaurant in the airport after giving a flight attendant a rose (hubby got me two dozen long stem roses right before we left and since I could not take them all with I took a few and told my daughter to give them to anyone who showed kindness during our trip). My daughter gave the gift certificate to a single mother who was flying with her baby going to visit family.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Mrs.LDCannon Lena Cannon

    those demon seeds knew what they were doing was wrong and this shows simply by then paying of the other kid for his silence. lucky they got caught now, No doubt in my mind they will grow up to be some kind of sick serial killers. that shit is not normal. normal 10 and 11 year olds do not plot to kill people, even as a joke. they need to lock em up and throw away the key. sounds awful but i believe psychopaths can be rehabilitated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/That.Girl.Has.Tattoos Savage Von Drachenberg

    kill em

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cindy-Crawford/13964421 Cindy Crawford

    Where’s Gryla when you need her? http://thedemoniacal.blogspot.com/2011/12/gryla.html

  • G.I.R.L.

    I dunno about this one, i knew the difference between right and wrong since i was like 4; that’s when i first (and i believe this is the only time) stole something; a pair of gold colored shades that were just sitting around in the shower market. I was with my grandma and when she turned away i swiped them with no plan of lettering her know. Unfortunately (and fortunately), the glasses fell out of my heart sleeve as i stood in the kitchen when we got home and the she realized what i had done. The next morning, she made me go back to market, confess to the crime to store management, and after a lecture from everyone she paid for the glasses and handed them to me. (Hmmm after reading this,i now realize that i don’t give her enough credit).

    I feel the kids knew what they were plotting was wrong (hence why they were hush about it and bribed others); at the end of the day, it’s the parents lack of responsibly. Parents don’t check their children’s backpacks anymore? How did he manage to sneak the gun? Knowing their are children in the house, shouldn’t you always make sure the gun is in a place where they can’t get to it like regularly? My grandad had a gun that he revealed once and locked it in an electronic safe. Sure, we all knew where it was, but we knew better than to go after it (not to mention, his safe was unbreakable).

    I thoroughly dislike kids being sent to juvie because they seem to come out less human than before. At the end of the day, it’s the parents fault.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Wait, pre-teens setting cats on fire is abnormal?

    Note to self: don’t tell that particular story…

  • newstarshipsmell

    Two questions spring to mind. Did the girl they were targeting find out that she was their target? If so, is she still being rude and annoying?

  • G.I.R.L.

    Knowing that the boys were caught before they acted their plans, she’s probably become an uber bitch.

  • Hellioness

    I would really like to believe this, but the fact that they paid another child who found out about it to keep their mouth shit makes me think they were well aware of the fact that what they were planning to do was wrong.

  • Shauna Olsen

    WTH? Wow, that is all I can actually say right now. Wow.

  • Athena

    I didn’t say they didn’t know it was wrong. Of course they knew it was wrong, and that’s why I expect they’ll be criminally charged and going to juvie. Even very young children can make a rational judgment between right and wrong in blatant situations. But in a criminal justice setting, the concept is a little more complicated, which is why I hate when that is referenced. It gives people the impression that it’s black-and-white when it’s actually anything but.

    The difference between right and wrong is such a basic concept that most people generally believe their dog is capable of making such a determination. But in a criminal justice sense, the issue is not so much whether a child knew right from wrong, but the level of responsibility they felt for their actions and the extent to which they analyzed and grasped the consequences of their actions… Particularly, a child’s tendency to focus on the short-term payoffs of an action while neglecting to consider alternative solutions.

    When an adult is said to have “the mental capacity of a 10-year-old,” we consider them to be significantly handicapped. Why on earth wouldn’t we think the real thing, and actual 10-year-old, to be well short of an adult’s capacity for decision-making?

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I thought that said CAR. JESUS FUCK.

  • Lena60

    Yes I do , thats why the little shit should be locked up or put in a mental institution

  • Lena60

    What preteen isn’t rude and annoying.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    MORBID! I AM SO PROUD OF YOU! I didn’t notice any spelling mistakes in this article! Good job!

    It blows my mind that there are TWO eleven year olds who wanted to commit murder together, and a bunch of other kids they paid to shut up about it. I have an 11 year old, and I can’t imagine her taking a million dollars to keep quiet about any murder, let alone a murder of one of her classmates. What the actual fuck is wrong with all those kids?

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I don’t check my 11 year olds backpack at the beginning of the day.

    Ain’t nobody got time for that

  • Lena60

    Sorry Athena I can’t agree with you this time, babys and children can be compassionate.Judgement with some maybe off while young but compassion should not be. I had compassion and a concern for others in young childhood.I don’t see this kid, the main plotter being reabilitated.Not impossible just unlikely.I also hold the parents in this case responsible.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I disagree as well. Kids do have judgement and compassion.

    Not THESE kids, obviously.

  • Athena

    Your children doing nice things as children is not evidence of developed compassion. In fact, speaks more loudly to them having good role models and mimicking empathetic behavior. To be quite frank, they just didn’t have the capacity, yet. So, it’s not that you’re teenagers have somehow regressed, it’s that their prefrontal lobes still aren’t fully developed, yet, but they rely less on mimicking you. They didn’t have a fully developed ability to empathize then, and they still don’t today. But, don’t worry, they will. ;)

    Compassion, memory and behaviors that rely on memory such as risk-assessment, remorse, the ability to distinguish right from wrong (which is learned more than inherent)… these are all things moderated by our prefrontal cortex, which doesn’t fully develop until the age of 25, and at the prepubescent stage, is still quite underdeveloped.

    Damage to the prefrontal cortex in adults can result in, among a variety of other things, impulsivity, irritability, involuntary emotion, decreased self-criticism, defects in time sense… Sound like any 10-year-olds you know? :P

  • Athena

    Sometimes, juvie is exactly the level of structure and discipline children need (when we can’t expect them to get it at home). Unfortunately, the level of success of juvenile facilities varies so wildly, though, you never can be sure.

  • Athena

    My comments are not my opinion, they reflect well established scientific fact. What you see in children is more mimicking than inherent ability. In other words, they would not come to a compassionate or well-judged conclusion if they hadn’t seen someone else do it 1000 times. We all know just how mean children can be, and this is precisely why.

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  • G.I.R.L.

    When i was a kid, i noticed that a few of my pals had disappeared from school. It wasn’t until i grew older that i found out they were sent to juvie. Many of them have been killed due to gun violence, are in prison, and are just characters you don’t want to associate yourself with at all. I’d like to believe juvie is the lesser of two evils when considering the lack of parenting at home but it still seems to be as ineffective. At any case, if mischief and the sort is embedded within the child, it’s bound to stay and grow i guess.

    Why does it seem that the irresponsible people have the most children?

  • Suzy Sears

    Lol so did I had to go back through the “list”

  • newstarshipsmell

    I saw all the “Source” links and hoped that you’d snuck in a link to a Lord of the Flies trailer on Youtube, but no… *sigh*

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    Kill him now.

  • weneedhelpnow

    Decide if they know right from wrong? Algebra is taught in 5th grade. If the schools think your brain is developed enough for algebra then your brain is sure as hell developed enough to know right from wrong. Would love to know what they were taught at home.

  • JohnQknowitall

    My first thought was that we condemn them for planning to attack a bully rather than killing themselves and getting our sympathy after death, but as I read on the “picking on” didn’t sound so much as bullying.

    I also thought that incarceration until 18 years old to be harsh, but the statement that revenge toward the whistle blower would carried out after the 11 year olds release from jail made me think that there is no harm in keeping a thug off the street – it is not like he could learn behavior worse than his own.

    I like to generally let kids have the benefit of the doubt, but I like to think society is generally safe. Keeping him incarcerated might keep society safer.

  • Athena

    I got nothin’. Perhaps it’s true… the irresponsible have the most children. I look to Scandinavian countries and believe that not to be true. Those who do here are irresponsible because we don’t work to make them better. Another down-votable statement, surely, but… (they’re doing better than us.)

    *This comment was made inebriated.

  • Athena

    “Saw” or “read”? If it was the former, “Figures.” if it was the latter, well, I’ll expect more of you next time. ;)

    P.S. I up-voted that comment.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Does “read” include clicking the links and looking at the pictures?

  • newstarshipsmell

    Misplaced pride, Heather, and you should know it. He puts those typos in their on purpose, for the same reason he cracks women driver jokes – to drive people to comment about it. Well that and he’s too lazy to be bothered proofreading, I suppose.

  • newstarshipsmell

    What’s the lemonth root of apples raised to the oranges?

  • Twisted1

    I understand your point and to some aspect I agree which is why I do not believe in life in life in prison for children. That being said I don’t believe they are incapable of compassion, I think they just have no impulse control and tend to do what benifits them over others most of the time.

  • Minerva

    Lemonade stands, playing on swing sets, burnin cats to death. A regular Norman Rockwell scene.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Craig-Ellis/1109178363 Craig Ellis

    “Set a cat on fire”….Well then, got the two precursors to serial killing -setting fires and torturing animals- done in one fell swoop. Anyone up for an adoption?

  • techsupp0rt

    Banana, repeating.

  • http://twitter.com/LaylaLolly LaylaLolly

    I don’t either. I also don’t leave firearms where he can get to them or let him carry around $80 in cash. I do check his backpack when he gets home from school, though.

  • http://twitter.com/LaylaLolly LaylaLolly

    Because they aren’t responsible enough to use birth control or self control.

  • Lana Li

    ‘MERICA.

  • midniteshadows

    I think the older child – 11y/o – is sociopathic.

    I’ve staffed enough cases with kids like this to know. Unfortunately, any child under the age of 18 cannot be given a diagnosis of “psychopathic disorder” BECAUSE they aren’t fully developed. However, they can be given the diagnosis of conduct disorder which changes to psychopathic disorder when they turn 18. (Based criteria DSM IV.)

    Granted, there is a lot of information missing from this story. However, the given is that:

    1. Intent to harm

    2. Plan to harm

    3. Lack of empathy or sympathy

    4. Coersion/manipulation – payment, accomplice

    5. Disregard for societal norms

    6. Future plan to kill, harm.

    7. Disregard for consequences.

    What is missing is past behavior history, development, environment, and medical. I do believe the kids knew it was wrong, but didn’t care.

    The 10y/o I perceive to be a follower. He wasn’t adament about killing. His role was to keep others from interfering with the killings.

    As to the parents roles. Not sure on this. Maybe they didn’t care. Or maybe they knew something was wrong and didn’t know where to get help, or they are mentally ill or low functioning, or whatever.

    I do believe that these kids need mental health intervention and treatment and need to be followed in the mental health system. They also need to be in a restricted environment, preferably in an RTC rather than Juvie.

  • Uncle Fester

    I have seen the statement time and again that “he knew what he did was wrong because he tried to hide it.” To me all that says is that the person knew that society thought it was wrong, not that they did.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    My daughter tried to bring $40 to roller derby the other day. My husband, aunt and I all went “NO!” She would have bought $40 worth of hot dogs, that one.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Even if it was a car, it was bad to me.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    No no no no. It’s AVOCADO, repeating. You forgot to carry the pomegranate.

  • deadskinmask213

    Nice rebuttal it brought a smile to my face.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    So what you’re sayin’ is…. my kids are compassionate cuz I’m an awesome mom??? Awww, thanks! :)

  • Athena

    Precisely.

  • Athena

    Actually, yeah, I am.

    I think it’s incredibly important for parents to understand the development of the brain. It should cause them to be more mindful of their own behavior and the impact it can have on their children, but also empower them to take some damn credit when their child is good. It’s not by chance, for fuck’s sake. ;)

  • Heather_Habilatory

    In our case, I’d say luck is more likely…

  • JustBrowsingLife

    I do not want to live where the PA lives. Norm is setting pets on fire? WTF

  • JustBrowsingLife

    Second note to self. Watch your pets around 10 & 11 year olds. Any body seen Whiskers lately?

  • JustBrowsingLife

    America’s mental health system is a travesty. Our jails and prisons are the new asylums. Mental health care is for the very rich and elite. Insurance companies don’t include mental health coverage or limit coverage to out patient care to 5 – 10 visits per year. The real issue is this….You have to commit a serious crime and be in the custody of DOC to get mental health services for people who clearly need the help.

  • FrikkenFrak

    Wow. I’d like to shake the hand of the student who informed the teacher about seeing the knife.

    I have nothing to say about the rest of the story. My brain can’t even comprehend this…

  • midniteshadows

    I partially agree with your statement that our mental health system is a travesty especially for child/adolescences’.

    What I don’t agree on is that you need to commit a serious crime and be under DOC to receive services.

    The biggest deterrent to mental health is navigating your way through the system. Each state has a slightly different system in place.

    For instance, even though people complain about the mental health system in Arizona – specifically Maricopa County, it is still better than the system in Minnesota.

    There is a book that one can buy for $21.95 that tells you how to navigate through the Human Services Departments. Sad, huh?

    To make it even more difficult is that each county dictates available services. There are a lot of counties that don’t even have mental health services.

    In my area of Southern Minnesota, there are only 2 Child/Adolescent Psych Drs. There are only 3 in state facilities and 1 out of state facility for kids. If there are no available beds, the child stays at the hospital in a seclusion room until a bed is available which can take anywhere from a couple of days to weeks. Hospitals here don’t have a child/adolescent psych ward. Only the adults do.

    My son receives mental health services under Minnesota Care for low income families yet doesn’t have a case worker. It is the school liason that is helping us because this county doesn’t have child/adolescent case workers. Hell, I don’t even have a case worker. If I or my son need help, it is up to me to find the help we need.

  • Aussie Sabbath

    The boys involved in the James Bulger case were like that too. Venables was the follower with Robert being the ringleader. Venables had no friends and would go along with Robert just so he could have a friend. The psychology behind James Bulger’s murder was that the boys splashed him with paint or something and likened him to a Chucky Doll. They didn’t see him as a human.

  • midniteshadows

    I didn’t remember the name James Bulger, but Venables seemed familiar so I did a quick check. Yep, I remember that case. What they did to James was beyond evil. The pain he suffered is beyond my understanding or imagination.

    I was surprised to learn that both offenders were released from the life sentences they got. The good thing is that Venables violated his release terms and is now back in prison.

  • Patrick Richardson

    That’s either one messed up community or a tough neighborhood. The 11 year old stole the gun from his older brother,what was he12 or13 ??????

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/ Dakota Valkyrie

    A Stevens County judge has ruled that two boys, ages 10 and 11, are competent to stand trial in juvenile court for first-degree conspiracy to murder a female classmate.

    Prosecutor Tim Rasmussen described the details in the conspiracy as “salacious.” A handwritten plan listing seven steps leading up to the planned killing was submitted as evidence during the mental capacity hearing on Friday in Colville.

    One of the boys intended to rape the girl before stabbing her, he said.

    Rasmussen said the boy described rape as a display of strength and power — not sex.

    The judge determined the boys understood the nature of their actions and the consequences. They each pleaded not guilty.
    [...]

    The boys will be kept in custody with a $100,000 bond each because both a psychiatrist with the defense and a state psychologist said the children present a danger to the community.
    [...]

    The case is expected to go to trial in juvenile court before the end of April.

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/mar/29/colville-boys-10-and-11-will-stand-trial-murder-co/

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/ Dakota Valkyrie

    A Stevens County Superior Court judge sentenced a 10-year-old Colville boy to a minimum of three years in juvenile detention for conspiring to kill a classmate.

    The boy cried when he told the judge: “I know that this is a bad thing that I’ve done.”
    [...]

    The boy’s father apologized for the trouble his son had caused.

    Judge Allen Nielson sentenced the boy to three to five years in a security facility.

    Stevens County Prosecutor Tim Rasmussen said he’ll likely be booked into Echo Glen Children’s Center, a security facility for young offenders in Snoqualmie. The facility provides schooling and psychological services through the Department of Social and Health Services.

    He’ll be a teenager by the time he’s released.

    Although the standard sentencing is about two years, the intended victim’s mother didn’t believe that was long enough, Rasmussen said.

    “It never escaped my mind that these are children,” Rasmussen said. “It is very troubling when children do things adults do – it leaves you questioning why.”

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/may/16/colville-10-year-old-gets-3-years-in-death-plot/