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The New Journal Gun MapNew City, NY — Two homes listed on the interactive map of legal gun owners published by The Journal News have been broken into in the last week.

The most recent burglary happened on Wednesday when a man returned home to find someone had broken into his home and made off with jewelry and two safes. One of those safes contained two handguns and two handgun permits. This comes less than a week after a family in White Plains, NY had their home broken into by thieves who also made off with some jewelry and tried breaking into a gun safe.

Both of these homes were listed on an interactive map that contained the names, addresses and home locations of thousands of pistol permit holders licensed in Westchester and Rockland counties, New York. This very controversial map was compiled and published by The Journal News on Dec 23.

Police say that there is no correlation between the map and the two break-ins, stating that they feel the houses were targeted at random. “The burglary is still under investigation, and there are no facts to support this correlation at this time,” Clarkstown Sgt. Joanne Fratianni said in a statement. “If the investigation develops further information, it will be released accordingly.”

Of course this truly could be a coincidence, as there were thousands of  homes listed on the map. I have no idea what the odds are of two homes being listed on that map being broke into within a week of each other, and I don’t feel like working out the math.

Targeted or not, these burglaries add more credence to the belief held by critics of the map who felt the map did nothing but endanger law-abiding citizens by giving criminals a handy tool. NY State Senator Greg Ball called the map a public safety nightmare, as did the head of the White Plains Police Benevolent Association. “The Journal News printed a virtual treasure map for criminals,” Robert Riley said. “It lets the bad guys know who is vulnerable, due to not having a gun permit, and where to go if they wanted a gun.”

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Shortly after The Journal News posted the map, stating it did so to let neighbors know were guns were in their neighborhoods (*cough* bullshit *cough*) they began receiving threats and even had the tables turned by blogger Christopher Fountain, who posted names and addresses of some of The Journal News staff. This prompted the paper to hire armed guards for protection, much to the delight of people who love pointing at perceived hypocrisy.

I’m not going to go on a rant regarding the average American and their love of imposing knee-jerk solutions to issues that plague our country, at least not right now. But I will say that all of these supposed solutions to recent shootings (gun control! censor violent media!) will never solve the core issue, the issue that doesn’t have an easy villain; mental illness and how it is not dealt with in the U.S.

The common thread that connects most mass killings (no matter what weapon was used) is the mental health of the person that commits the crime.I fail to see how any of the current solutions being proposed, by people usually pushing some kind of agenda, will stop a mentally ill person from wanting to lash out at the people they are angry with. If you were to remove every gun on this planet, some time shortly after I will be publishing a story about a mentally unstable person blowing up a day care.

If people really want to help stop shootings like the one in Sandy Hook, then how about we start talking about how families can affordably treat a family member with mental illness. While your on that subject, start talking about how you can involuntarily commit a mentally ill person who hasn’t shown they are a danger to themselves or others, without violating their civil rights. No one talks about this stuff because they don’t have the one thing people love; an easy answer.

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I’ve always felt that one thing we could do to help is to educate. I don’t know about you, but when I was in school, I was taught many things that turned out to be worthless in the real world and not given some basic tools that I could have applied toalmost every facet of my life. Things like finances and mental health, both of which are very big, ongoing issues that continue to have a negative impact on our country.

The average American household indebted to credit cards is $15,422 in credit card debt.Would that number be any lower had anyone in these households, from a young age, been required to take finance classes alongside Math and English? Classes that educated children on budgets, banking, loans, credit, investing and all the things attached to those subjects that the average American obviously does not fully understand.

And along those same lines, what about teaching kids about mental illness?  Mental illness is the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. That’s 52 million people, or 1 out of 4 adults. Would some of the stigma and shame associated with mental illness be removed if people knew what it was from a young age, and knew the various forms and various treatments? Would the number of school shootings, homeless, and suicides eventually drop?

I don’t know the answers, of course, but I fail to see how this could hurt. It’s not a quick and easy solution Americans love, but I think that it would be far more effective way to stop a mentally ill person from killing children than putting more laws in place that hinder legally purchasing a firearm.

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Ok, so I lied about the rant.

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  • Sam

    I would me most put out if they publicized my address as having a shotgun on the premises. That deer-in-the-headlamp look of sheer horror when they stare down the barrel of an unexpected weapon is what i live for.

  • CT

    I sort of looked at it as gun shaming when they listed it. Good thinking dumb asses. Did you know that once the issue really came into focus through the media outlets about a possible gun ban that gun stores have experienced record-breaking sales of ammunition and assault rifles? Good job getting more guns out there. I don’t often agree with Morbid – he lost me along the way somewhere on women driving – but I digress – but I also agree that the issue is much bigger than owning a gun. While I understand that people may think that reducing the amounts of guns out there will somehow make us safer – the reality is any feeling of safety and security would be illusive or false.

  • Sam

    Some excellent point there, Morbid. At the risk of ending up with brown goo on my nose – i don’t think there’s anything in that rant up there i don’t agree with. Morbid for president!

  • CT

    No one could possibly see your nose because your head is up there too far with the President comment, young lady.

  • Sam

    Young lady? Why thank you, my new BFF!

  • Athena

    That was your most beautiful rant to date. <3

    On a side note, it could be total coincidence, but if I found even a shred of evidence to suggest people were using the map to target houses, I would find a way to sue them into oblivion.

  • Sam

    Isn’t it frustrating though that the ones with the good ideas and the sensible solutions never seem to be the ones in power?

  • OutOfBubbleGum


    I hate to disagree, but, sometimes, guns in the hands of the mentally ill give us the safest world possible. Sometimes, hundreds of rounds can be shot, and not a single person gets hurt. Take Captain H.M. “Howlin’ Mad” Murdock history, for example.
    “If you have a problem…if no one else can help…and if you can find them…maybe you can hire…The A- Team.”

    Murdock: I’m surprised the surgeon general let me out.
    Face: He didn’t. I did. I had to bring your Uncle Deke into town.
    Murdock: How is Uncle Deke?
    Face: You don’t have an Uncle Deke.
    Murdock: I’m sorry to hear that. I was beginning to like him.
    Face: No, you hated him. He used to beat you.
    Murdock: That creep!

  • Andyman

    You touched on everything I would have said and then some Morbid. The issue shouldn’t be about reducing access to firearms for law abiding citizens; our focus should be on identifying and addressing mental illness because, as you said, if it wasn’t a gun it would be something else. We have a schizophrenic homeless guy who lives in our downtown parking deck. He appears obviously unstable and has been arrested over 10 times for trespassing at various places. He needs help and likely should be committed but you have to be a family member to do that or they need to voluntarily go. The police don’t want to arrest him and we don’t want him flashing our employees and scaring our tenants. It really is a sad state of affairs about how the legal system works because our only recourse to move him down the road is to enforce the law on him. We called crisis assistance ministries but they said they wouldn’t help and to call the police. We called the shelter and they said he would have to come on his own accord. But the flip side is that he is a liability to our employees and our tenants as schizophrenics are unpredictable; as we have seen. It is a shame we don’t address this mental illness problem but until we do, no reduction in our civil liberties with regards to guns will do any good.

  • Andyman

    Or, if not, anybody else for president. 😉

  • Sam

    You know what, scratch that. Presidents have to compromise. Morbid for dictator!

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    I live for that scene a few seconds later when they look down & realize that their pants have acquired a new “moistness.”

  • malq

    I love it. Clearly mentally ill people should not have access to guns, and school shootings are nothing new.

    The Bath School disaster, May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan that killed 38 elementary school children and … It is the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.

    I agree with almost everything you said, and I am sad to see this issue politicied when we are 9 trillion in dept and have a fucked up socialist medical plan on the horizon sure to make things worse. Frankly, I don’t think anything will help as we are so saturated with weapons in this country that you have a better chance of getting rid of fleas with placebos.

    The last sentence in the second amendment is the one that will be interpreted as changeable. I agree that any legislation that does not infringe on the right to bear arms is in order. Infringe is the key word which will prove to be subjective.

    Regarding the article, The people were not home. Had they been home it might have been a different story. N

  • malq

    He couldn’t do a worse job than what we have going now.

  • malq

    True dat.

  • malq

    Let me hand you some bubble gum. There, easy fix.

  • OutOfBubbleGum


    If there was only an easy fix…..?


    While many believe the quote originated from the video game Duke Nukem 3D, it actually comes from the 1988 movie They Live. In the movie, a man named Nada, played by Roddy Piper, finds a pair of sunglasses which lets him see that aliens are disguised as humans, and discovers hidden subliminal messages everywhere. Nada then steals a police shotgun and whist evading the police stumbles into a bank proclaiming “I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass…and I’m all out of bubblegum.”

  • JohnQknowitall

    Shortly after The Journal News posted the map, stating it did so to let neighbors know were guns were in their neighborhoods (*cough* bullshit *cough*) they began receiving threats and even had the tables turned by blogger Christopher Fountain, who posted names and addresses of some of The Journal News Staff. This prompted the paper to hire armed guards for protection, much to the delight of people who love pointing at perceived hypocrisy.
    So the paper hired professionally trained and licensed guards to protect employees against sane people who possess fire arms and threaten people? Wasn’t this something the NRA offered as a solution to the acts of insane people who possess guns? Hmmm… hypocracy… hmmm…
    BTW I am sure all the responsible gun owners with permits listed on the map have gun safes so there is no issue that any guns will be stolen. Hmmm….

  • AliceinChainsman =]

    Nice,,very nicely written…I keep my tank under a Camo Net.

  • AliceinChainsman =]

    you hit that on the Brown nose..

  • AliceinChainsman =]

    You should see what ive got laying around..hee hee

  • AliceinChainsman =]

    I live by that movie..twitch twitch…

  • Buffettgirl

    The Bath School Disaster was caused by explosives too. Further proof that if one is determined enough to commit this sort of mayhem, they’ll find a way to do it. The only gun Kehoe used was the rifle he fired into his car that was filled with explosives and metal pieces. He didn’t aim that gun at anyone. He used it to set off his final bomb which was the car. The worst school killing in US history and no one was shot…

  • creamofflicka

    I want to see this gun map overlayed with the Sexual Predator map, a map of known felons, a map of LEO, and a map of suspected frequent masturbaters.

  • curiousalways

    Good article, however, the Sandy Hook shooter came from an extremely affluent family and they could have afforded as much mental health as possible. I’m not sure what the answer would have been in that situation. I still ponder why an intelligent person (the Mother) would have kept that many weapons around her obviously disturbed, mentally ill son. (From all I read).

  • Affordable mental healthcare? Hmmm… That sound an awful lot like —SOCIALISM!!!!

  • daMonBrooks

    Jest or lack of knowledge as to what the differences of universal healthcare vs the affordable health care….act are?

  • daMonBrooks

    Or, like in this very article people will just steal the safe and probably work them over in the privacy of their own home.

  • come_and_see

    You have to be extra ballsy if you want to rob a house and know the home owner is armed.

  • JohnQknowitall

    Given such an important commodity as guns, a very heavy safe bolted in cement would be practical, but probably won’t happy without legislation.

  • LuvsHorror

    Absolutely stupid posting names and addresses. Glad someone posted theirs.

  • LuvsHorror

    Hey, it’s okay, when he finally hurts someone, then he’ll get help!

  • LuvsHorror

    Totally wondering that too.

  • daMonBrooks

    I get where you’re trying to go….well maybe. Just just as an FYI, bolted safes are stolen, especially in situations were people know exactly what they plan to steal. Anywho, good day.

  • Andyman

    If we’re lucky. I suspect we won’t be so lucky though.

  • It wasn’t that they couldn’t afford it, it was that Adam didn’t want it. He was an adult.

  • Wow. It appears to me that the Journal News has sunk so low as to attempt to create major drama by a pathetic attempt to set it up. When it backfired on them, they are trying to act like they were doing a public service. The reason why handguns are registered is for the police to know whether or not they should expect someone to have a gun in the car during a traffic stop or complaint. There is no reason whatsoever that your neighbor needs to know what you have in your house.

  • daMonBrooks

    I feel awful for saying this in public, though his mother seems as if she could also use at least counseling

  • Gee

    I was thinking the same thing. You would really want to be sure that person isn’t home.

  • Gee

    That is exactly it. The first part of the problem is whether a family can afford it. From what I can tell it’s not about that as much the person with mental issues not continuing with the care/meds needed to keep them balanced.

  • Gee

    Absolutely… The reports were she was very overbearing and obsessive compulsive. A little counseling wouldn’t have hurt.

  • jwoww

    2 houses were broken into..news at 11.lame story

  • Athena

    With roughly 50% of households in the U.S. being armed, the odds are solid that any house you break into is going to be armed. These burglaries were standard. Nothing particularly special about them at all (except, of course, their connection to the map).

  • newstarshipsmell

    I can see the face of Jesus in that map. It’s a miracle!

  • LeaveMeBe

    They have counselors for the dead?!?!? I so wanna do this.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I thought I was looking at a flu report from the CDC.

  • LoKi4778

    My best friend’s mom’s house is a block away from the one in New City that got robbed. She’s upset, naturally, her house is/was on the list as her late husband was a registered, responsible gun owner…

  • Letter from Janet Hasson, Journal News publisher:


    Today The Journal News has removed the permit data from lohud.com. Our decision to do so is not a concession to critics that no value was served by the posting of the map in the first place. On the contrary, we’ve heard from too many grateful community members to consider our decision to post information contained in the public record to have been a mistake. Nor is our decision made because we were intimidated by those who threatened the safety of our staffers. We know our business is a controversial one, and we do not cower.

    But the database has been public for 27 days and we believe those who wanted to view it have done so already. As well, with the passage of time, the data will become outdated and inaccurate.


  • alphatroll

    It’s nice to see the recent trend of courts recognizing that, if Junior’s appendix bursts and Ma and Pa take him to church instead of the hospital, that’s child abuse. I’d love to see that expanded to mental health issues as well.

    There are far to many parents around who see mental illness in their child as somehow an embarrassment to themselves. They should simply not have the option of interpreting it this way. It’s too late to educate many of them on their error, so they must be forced. Maybe that way the next generation will be a little bit wiser about such things.

  • techsupp0rt

    How many thousands of houses are listed there? Statistically speaking, it was already highly likely that at least 2 of them would be broken into by now. I’d be very, very surprised if the people who broke in there even really knew about this map. B&E type criminals are seldom the smartest bunch, and if they were smart enough to check the map, they’d probably be smart enough to a.)case the places better to get a better haul (what they got seems hardly worth the effort), or b.)rob someone’s house who ISN’T obviously armed.

    It sounds very convenient, but I’d have to have some sort of confession from someone saying ‘I just followed this map!’ to believe that it really had anything to do with this.

    Surefire way to stoke the fires on the ol’ Fear Machine, though.

  • techsupp0rt

    “sane people who possess fire arms and threaten people?”

    … is that a typo?

  • JohnQknowitall

    Nope. Tongue in cheek sarcastic…

  • JohnQknowitall

    I think it is called terrorism.

  • JohnQknowitall

    Well true, so let’s ban guns.

  • Centurion

    yea, random. according to the police. That code of blue is in full effect right now. Random.

  • Edward Richtofen

    well written.

  • LeaveMeBe

    TWO houses? OMFG! That is astronomical. What are the odds? I am just blown away. *smh*

  • Sam

    That depends entirely on how well you get on with your neighbour… 😉
    Here in the UK having a gun license registered at your house means the police will respond quicker if you call 911 because of the higher chance of things escalating.

  • alphatroll

    Except of course that burglars love to steal guns. I wonder whether this information is more of a threat to homes with guns or homes without them?