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Boys, Ages 11 And 7, Try Robbing Woman At Gunpoint In Church Parking LotPortland, OR – An 11-year-old boy has been accused of trying to carjack and rob a woman at gunpoint, and even returned to the scene of the crime as a news reporter was interviewing the victim.

On Saturday, 22-year-old Amy Garrett was sitting inside her truck in the parking lot of Freedom Foursquare Church waiting for her parents. That’s when she was approached by two boys, ages 11 and 7. The older boy told Garret that he had a gun and would shoot her if she did not give him her truck.

Garrett didn’t believe the boys at first, and refused to let them have her vehicle. That’s when the 7-year-old instructed the older boy to show her the gun. The 11-year-old then lifted his shirt and showed Garrett a handgun. Thinking it was fake, she asked the boy if it was real.

“He said ‘you don’t ever ask somebody if it’s real. That’s how you get yourself shot.’” He also told her he was prepared to blow her brains out if she didn’t give him the truck, her wallet, and her phone.

Garret chose not to give them anything and drove away while calling 911. When police arrived on the scene, they spotted the two boys, who ran off when officers tried talking to them.

Police stopped the boys near the church where the 11-year-old is lucky he didn’t get shot. When police instructed the boy to keep his hands out of his pockets, he refused, causing an officer to restrain his arms. Inside the boy’s pocket, he found  a loaded and cocked handgun.

Because of the boys’ ages, they could not be taken to jail or the Donald E. Long Juvenile Detention Home. Instead, they were both left with their parents.

The following day, while KATU was in front of the church interviewing Garrett about the incident, the 11-year-old boy walks right up and stands next to Garrett. The reporter asks the boy to get his parents, who live next tot he church,  because he could not talk to the boy due to his age. The boy walks off, and never returns.

The boy’s father did eventually call the reporter and told him that his son has participated in some of the church’s youth group activities and that he has written an apology to the church — one the church’s pastor said they have yet to receive. The father also said he could not comment any further on the incident without first consulting his attorney.

I know people are going to comment about what adult sentence should be imposed on this kid, but this is one of those situations where  I feel that would be a terrible decision — for him and society. If anyone needs to be punished, I say take a look at the people raising him.

I mean, come on… your kid just got brought home by police who have accused him of using a loaded handgun in an attempted carjackingrobbery next door at the church. The next day, he’s out walking around talking to reporters? Had I pulled this stunt, my old man would have whipped my ass and ensured I never left the house. I’d become Boo Radley, but unable to sit down.

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  • Sam

    Carjacking, when they live next-freakin-door?? What is this world coming to when today’s youth won’t even walk NEXT DOOR??

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    All I can say is, “What the fuck?” Are those kids being raised by wild animals who leave loaded handguns laying around the house?

  • Gee

    I say these parents need to be brought up on the charges that their shitty kids can’t be brought up on because their age. This is clearly the responsibility of the parents.

  • JohnQknowitall

    I agree these kids should not receive anything like an adult sentence, but I have no problem with ankle monitors. I really do think the language used by these kids was indicative of extremely poor parenting skills by their custodians.
    BTW Who owned the gun?
    Putting the fear of God/the legal system might snap the parents into shape and, in order, the children.

  • sugarpie

    Wow. A loaded, cocked gun and no discipline is surely asking for a future murder. Cancelling my trip to Portland.

  • laurablue87

    What a couple of little shits! What happened to the days of stealing Skittles and BFF rings from Walmart?! Now America’s “future” is trolling around church parking lots with loaded/cocked guns IN HIS POCKET, threatening to blow people’s brains out, and is stupid enough to go back to the scene of the crime in front of reporters? What’s the equivalent of an 11-year-late abortion? That’s what we need here. A post-partem abortion.

  • newstarshipsmell

    If he was wandering around with a loaded, cocked gun in his pocket, and his parents didn’t promptly ground the shit out of him, I would say that chances are high you will get your wish.

  • Athena

    I’m not sure what Portland’s sentencing options are for some kids too young to be held in juvie, but 2000 hours of very regimented community service would be great. These kids need to get some supervision and discipline somewhere.

  • CT

    Hoping the boys get involved with the church? As soon as these spawn of Satan hit the holy water they will burst into flames.

  • tkaz

    How does a society get parents to RAISE their children? Why do people flat out refuse to discipline, guide and instruct their kids? I just don’t get it.
    If WE know our hides would’ve been tanned and we don’t choose to do the same to our kids…it doesn’t mean you do NOTHING. It means you find an alternate way to discipline. Read up on it, frigging google it, I don’t know but don’t just sit there & WATCH your child become a common criminal.
    What will our world be like in 20 years???

  • techsupp0rt

    I was ‘involved with youth group activities’ too, when I was a teenager. By ‘involved’, I mean they were a handy cover to run off with my friends and get high. Show up to youth group so enough people seen you and know you were there, then have someone pick you up. Looks like we know what these kids do at ‘youth group’.

  • alphatroll

    “Because of the boys’ ages, they could not be taken to jail…”

    BECAUSE in such cases the correct response is to ARREST THE FUCKING PARENTS.

  • jake8jazz

    I live here and this was news to me this morning. I was just outside having a smoke and saw a drug deal go down complete with thugs. Oh well, at least I don’t live in Florida or Texas.

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    These kids are exactly what the juvie boot-camp option has been made for. Make the ‘lil fuckers sweat off a few pounds agitating an acre of gravel.

  • Buffettgirl

    Here in Oregon, in my opinion, it has become some weird sort of parental badge of honor to somehow NOT discipline your kids. It drives me insane. I think parents here are too afraid of not only what the schools tells these kids, which is that basically any form of discipline is abusive, but also the whole aspect of what is everyone else is doing. If “Drake & Mandy” don’t discipline their kids, how could you possibly discipline yours? Nobody wants to be seen as hard or mean to the little monsters, thus they become bigger and bigger monsters…

  • JGo555

    Someone needs to open a can of whoopass on the two kids, especially the older one that should know better. And the parents need to think they have special little snowflakes that are God’s gifts from heavens. They need to kick ass, take names and THEN get their asses kicked for allowing this to happen.

    BTW, that 7yo sounds way too “smart” for his own good. And wtf!? Evil souls already FOUND each other!?

  • JGo555

    They still have a chance. And an 11yo doesn’t think it’s stupid to go back to the scene of the crime… they don’t watch Law & Order or Criminal Minds. They watch Pokemon, Spongebob and what not.

  • JGo555

    Because now, people think they popped out special little snowflakes that can do no wrong.

  • JGo555

    I want to know WHY IN THE FUCK do the kids need to write a letter to the church!? What their asses need to do is fucking chores for this woman and whoever else she wants for 2000hrs as a “letter of apology”. The church had nothing to do with the crime, it was just there.

  • Misshmacon

    Bust the parents that kid had a loaded weapon, then massive community work for the kids and families

  • Snickering x Hydra

    Boys: Aww…it was so much easier in Grand Theft Auto!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9V1uYndsg

  • Snickering x Hydra

    Boys: Aww…it was so much easier in Grand Theft Auto!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9V1uYndsg

  • sugarpie

    Sounds like these two are more into Grand Theft Auto games…

  • LuvsHorror

    She now has a life long fear, and he will eventually kill someone. Justice. *sarcasm*

  • onlyme356

    The fact that the kid was wandering around by himself and had no shame whatsoever about coming up to the girl and reporter speaks volumes about the lack of guidance he is receiving.

  • Athena

    Agreed. Unfortunately, I’m thinking that their ineligibility for juvenile incarceration may also make them ineligible for boot camp. :(

  • Buffettgirl

    I don’t have any kids, but I do have numerous nieces and nephews and it kills me this idea that every last one of these kids born since probably the early 90′s or so are all of a sudden so damn unique. Kids are kids are kids. People need to get over how amazing they think they are (and therefore their progeny) just because sperm and egg met and start giving their kids a solid foundation of morals and ethics instead of telling them how spectacular they are just because they exist. The real world is not going to be as kind and loving as Mummy & Daddy are… And when the real world smacks them in the face, we get the stories on websites like this.

  • OutOfBubbleGum

    Can’t we add their ages together and sentence them like one eighteen year old?

  • http://profiles.google.com/biy1717 Bridget Young

    It is right on the edge of where it will be too late. These kids need serious guidance and a crapload of community service. They looked at the event as an adventure, not a felony. Their parents are apparently helpless imbeciles. When my son misbehaves in class, we have him write an apology letter to his teacher. He is six. These two held a deadly weapon on a woman and attempted to steal a car. Letter won’t cut it.

  • OutOfBubbleGum

    If this happened to me, I’d get out of my car or truck and begin to walk away. I’d have to look back and watch as they try to figure out how to drive a stick.

  • tkaz

    I totally popped out special snowflakes but I still ground their asses if they screw up! I’m the first to defend them but I’m also the first to be horrified if they act stupid.

  • tkaz

    My husband grew up in Oregon. He was certainly disciplined “back in the day” but I could see how an entire community might be like that. Especially in liberal communities, my mother in law is VERY liberal & any time I discipline the kids she overtalks the process to them.

  • Athena

    In 20 years, our world will (hopefully) be continuing its trend of decreased violence. These kids existed 20 years ago and 20 years before that. The only reason it seems worse now is because we’re more aware of it, thanks to the media.

    That aside, with kids like this, I feel like there are two most likely explanations: The kids’ parents don’t give a shit, or are simply too stupid to do better.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Too bad there’s no IRL cheatcode to make the stars go away.

  • vampyria

    So I get sent to juvenile hall for putting firecrackers under a teacher’s chair but these kids can walk around carrying a loaded gun and they just get to go home like nothing happened? And why are they allowed to carry a gun in the first place? Where’s mom and dad?!

  • KKef

    It is sad to me that this kid doesn’t even grasp the concept of shame. His body language when he approached in the video seemed to express interest and hope of finding something to do and someone to interact with. Damn shame.

  • Rachel Ann

    Whoa whoa whoa. What the hell is wrong with Texas?

  • Rachel Ann

    Yea. I would be arrested if my kid pulled a stunt like this. For strangling his ass Simpson style in front of God the police and anyone else who wanted to see. How the FUCK do an 11y/o and a 7y/o not only get a gun but the bright idea to carjack someone. Their parents suck. Like full throttle all the way down the esophagus suck.
    I’d be mortified if this were my kid.

  • Jessica Stewart

    What happened to the gun? Who’s gun was it? and how the F*ck do we live in a society where they can fine (and potentially jail) parents over not making sure their kids are in school, but if kids try to jack someone using a loaded gun, we just send the kids back to their parents? And the kid is wandering around alone, like, the next day? Wtf? Although I do feel like if I saw an 11yr old kid who tried to carjack me, and I was fairly sure he wasn’t armed anymore, I wouldn’t be edging away, I’d be chasing after the little bastard.

  • Whatevn

    I dont care what any new age parenting books say.

    Beating a child’s ass, when its in good reason will make any kid ting twice about doing something crazy like this..

    My brother stole my motherss car and drove around under age, a nubmer of times before getting caught. What did he get as punishment? Nothing

    If I even thought about something like that, My dad would have beat my ass and I wouldnt have left the house for a year.

    Being 11 with a gun, I would have had my life flash before my eyes thinking about what my dad would do to me if I was caught’

  • sweekymom

    How did these worthless breeders manage to keep custody of their kids? Why isn’t Oregon’s DSS so far down their throats and up their asses that they can meet in the small intestine and shake hands? Sure, maybe the state can’t charge the kids with a crime, but they can damn for sure take them away while they try to figure out what the shit is going on in that house.

  • Buffettgirl

    That’s another NW Lib thing… over-talking it through with a child … People, these little shitmonkeys (and I’m talking about the ones I LOVE here, the kids in my world actually know this is a term of endearment from me) are zoning you out about 12 seconds into your 12 minute “explanation” and NOTHING is registering in their little brains besides the sound of Charlie Brown’s teacher…

  • t0ofly

    This is exactly why I get drunk and watch football instead of going to church.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    Fuck this little shit and his friend. These 2 WILL be committing more crimes since there is obviously no punishment. Due to the law being so fucked up, they’ll learn it’s okay to do this shit and be back doing it again, or worse. Ooooo, he had to write an apology? That’ll teach him for assaulting and threatening to murder someone! Apology letters are sooo scary, great punishment. Had *I* been the 22 year old they assaulted, they’d have had a gun pointed at their damn faces. In cases like this, it should be legal to beat the fuck out them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    There aren’t any stars for them anyway. “Too young” for police intervention.

  • Twisted1

    I am sorry but in my opinion both need to be punished. DCF should take a good look at that home. 1. Was it the parents gun? 2. As you stated what the heck was he even doing outside. My kids would need Vit. D shots after that because they would never see sunshine again. My kids are spoiled no doubt about it. But I make them earn things except for Xmas and birthday gifts. They know though if they do something like this god himself could not save them from their daddy. They should see if they can make arrangements with the local jail (some even have programs that do this) to let him spend a couple hours behind bars. Show him what his life will be like if he wants to be a thug.

  • KKef

    Can’t really relate to the parents ~ I was a single Mom for 3 kids and one day they came home to tell me a story. While walking along the trail behind my house, they said they stopped to watch two neighborhood kids “taunting” some homeless people & throwing things at them. When it hit me that my kids watched and didn’t lift a finger to intervene, AND thought it was a fun thing to tell me, I flipped. Every kid was sent to their room. I thought about it a lot, calmed myself down, and this is what I decided to do: Each of my kids had to choose 3 adults to retell the story to & speak to about the situation. Until the conversations were complete, no TV, no food, no recreation, no nothing. I felt it best that they get input from other people about the situation because at the time I was so upset with each of them for their inaction I could hardly speak.The kids were so mortified they dug in their heels and went to bed with no dinner. The next day they came around and made phone calls and face to face talks with the adults of their choosing. This was the best thing I ever did in the form of creative discipline. Each of the kids can remember who they spoke to and what they talked about. Neat thing is that they got the message :) I posted this here because I hope some parent along the way can use this idea. I don’t think making them write an apology to the homeless people would have made anywhere near the impact the conversations with 3 adults did.

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    Some states don’t consider the boot camps as traditional juvenile incarceration, but rather, as “training facilities.” But, that can only be implemented as a result of a conviction & court order.

  • Casioknight

    Only if we can duct-tape them together and throw them in general population when they get to jail.

  • wastintime

    Had this been my son,I would have dragged his ass over to the women and reporter, and made him apologize publicly. Then I would send him back to his room. He would have nothing in his room except his bed and two changes of clothes. And books. That’s it. Complete grounding for at least 2 months. He would get escorted to and from school. I would talk to his teacher,principal and school resource officer and make sure he stayed there. Shit I’m trying to raise men,not punk ass bitches.

  • wastintime

    Real parents would be mortified. It seems these boys don’t have real parents. Hell,there is a little boy about five years old that walks around singing a stupid song about being like Tony Montana , his parents find it funny and.have him “hit the.rock”. He also hangs out with his “father “and his friends, usually on the corner. They also encourage him to fight other children. I worry about the boy. Real parents would not allow that shit. The world makes me.sad

  • wastintime

    I would have to say yes, apparently they are.

  • wastintime

    Great idea. I will be adding that one to my bag o tricks!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106642961 Alice Hennen

    Call Docs or Social Services on them. Making children fight is child endangerment and so is doing drugs. Film them and send to SS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106642961 Alice Hennen

    Or throw them in where they put pedophiles and child-abusers.

  • bethied

    Ugh, when I was a teenager, that church was a 24 hour pool hall, and it’s parking lot was a meetup place for young people up to no good. I remember when the pool hall moved and I found out a church was going in I was surprised because it building itself is in a mostly empty old strip mall type thing and the whole thing is really seedy. Not a good area.

  • bethied

    I don’t know that it’s exclusive to Oregon. And personally, I’ve observed less of taking pride in not disciplining, but just not giving a fuck, which is just as annoying. I’m sick of people failing to act as parents and letting their kids be someone else’s problem. This is what it gets you, people.

  • Canuck Gramz

    You are my hero now.

  • Canuck Gramz

    I am so shocked that nothing could be done to these kids except sending them home ( presumably with a scolding?!) How can anyone feel safe when we have to be afraid of children carrying loaded guns?!

  • edd zackerly

    i”ll bet everyone was surprised the kid was white… i wonder if there would be so much concern for his ‘rehabilitation’ if he were darker…

  • CT

    Darker? You mean if he was Italian?

  • Eliza Berntsen

    Tumbleweeds?

  • Athena

    Really brown lakes. It’s kind of disturbing to fly over.

  • Athena

    Suddenly beating a child who is not used to physical discipline could just as easily bite a parent in the ass, creating significant resentment and an increased likelihood that he will lash out at others violently (as this kid is clearly already prone to doing).

    Consistent supervision, structure and non-violent discipline is the best way to keep a kid on the straight and narrow. Of course, if these parents had employed anything like that, it would have come to this to begin with. These parents have failed so terribly, they don’t deserve to hit their son, in my opinion. They’ve obviously fucked him up somethin’ terrible already.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/ Dakota Valkyrie

    An 11-year-old boy who police say pulled a gun while trying to rob a woman outside a Southeast Portland church Saturday is an undisciplined bully who has been the subject of multiple police calls, neighbors said.

    Residents of the Rosewood area said the 11-year-old is notorious for bothering younger children, causing vandalism to church and other business property, shoplifting at nearby stores, trespassing at a nearby apartment complex and boasting about his access to a gun.

    “Oh, I know him quite well,” said Kevin George, 46, who provides security at the Freedom Foursquare Church where police said the attempted carjacking and robbery took place Saturday. George lives across the street and said he has called police on the 11-year-old about five times in the last year and a half.

    “It’s a continuous problem with him.”
    [...]

    Continue reading: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/12/neighbors_describe_11-year-old.html

  • Buffettgirl

    Put simply – YOU ROCK!!!

  • Buffettgirl

    Oh I didn’t mean to imply that it was JUST an Oregon thing. Sorry if it came across that way. Unfortunately what I see does trend towards this smug sort of “and what are YOU planning to do about my ill-behaved child/children” attitude. Maybe it’s because I live in the snobbier side of town, I don’t know, but I recently asked a woman at Target if she could rein in her screeching, whirling dervish of a 4 year old who was deliberately running into me and my cart, as I was on the brink of a migraine and it was really painful. She looked at me as if I had asked her to eat cigarette butts and told me that I was selfish to try to suppress her child’s freedom of expression… Then she asked me just what it was I was finding so offensive anyway, he was “just playing like a good little boy.” No joke, it really happened.

  • wastintime

    I have done all of that except record it. Stupidly I have not thought about that. I will do that the next time I see it. The cops never get here in time. And cps has been worthless.

  • ShelbySP

    That escalated quickly…

  • wastintime

    i would say yes. Fuck what skin color of the little shit heads. They need to be.straightened out before they are to old to give a fuck. Eventually they are going to kill someone or get killed. Then it will be too late.

  • ShelbySP

    You are sooo right. Some of my friends seem to think that reproducing is some sort of new and amazing thing that has never been done before, and that we should worship the ground their super special spawn walk on. My mom has also had an influx of obnoxiously named kids in her class in the past ten years, such as “ImUnique” “Amuniqua” and “I’mUnique” (Props to I’mUnique’s parents for grammatical correctness.) Why don’t people raise their kids to be someone admirable and original instead of just assuming they pop out of the womb that way? And giving them a terrible name that they can never get a job with is NOT the best way to raise a successful adult…

  • ShelbySP

    I’m about as liberal as they come and I cannot stand undisciplined children. They make every trip to Trader Joe’s a nightmare. I once saw a woman talking to a screaming one year old and say “Now Jonathon, you’re being unreasonable.” OF COURSE HE’S BEING UNREASONABLE, HE’S FUCKING ONE. I can see how this would be common in the Hipstertopia of Portland.

  • ShelbySP

    Come move to the midwest. You would have had tons of people to back you up. We still have those snobby parents, but everyone also kind of expects courtesy towards others in public.

  • Buffettgirl

    AMEN! The name thing KILLS me! I mean really??? What chance does Destini or Britni have of being anything but a pole dancer? Are we ever going to have a President Shaniqua? Which, having lived in Africa for a couple of years 30 years ago (I was 11-13 at the time) I promise you, I never met a Shaniqua, a Shanaynay or a Uniqua. I met Demakatso’s, Meleko’s and Cibisa’s but never anything as made up and basically damaging as what gets passed off as an “African American” name. Which is another thing that bugs me… Are you an American or not? I don’t feel the urge to go around presenting myself as “Irish American” why must everyone divide and subdivide themselves so much? This isn’t hate speech by the way folks, it’s just my impression of the name game and the damage that a name can do to a person.

  • LeaveMeBe

    At least we’re not all pale white and just sparkle every once in awhile when the sun dares to peek out. :D

  • Buffettgirl

    My sister-in-law would do that to my nieces when they were young. It was mind boggling then and it still is now. How do you look at a 15 month old child (and these two girls are actually MENSA smart, both have photographic memories and one of them is audiographic as well) and ask them “Now Gabrielle, is that a GOOD decision you are making, or a BAD decision you are making?” Ummm, it’s a baby being put on the spot and not having the ability to reason, getting upset and scared, that’s what it is!

    Hipstertopia of Portland – that’s PRICELESS! Thanks for the laugh!

  • LeaveMeBe

    I’m curious as to where they got the gun. If it was from momma or poppa then charges can be pressed against them. Also, were these kids brothers? If not, where are the parents of the 7 yo while all these shenanigans are going down? If that little punk had sauntered back up to me the next day I might just have been pushed into taking him over my knee and spanking his bottom. Then again, I probably wouldn’t have the opportunity to spank him because the day before I would have peppered sprayed them for trying to car-jack me and for flashing a gun at me. Those parents need a serious ass-whippin’.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Color me unsurprised.

  • newstarshipsmell

    You lose. I never make assumptions about the race involved. We’ve seen ‘em all feature here. It’s always easy to place a one-sided bet with no stake, I’ll grant you that.

  • newstarshipsmell

    I wish every advocate of corporal punishment would read this.

  • velvetjoneslives

    No, they should be taken to the town square and given a long, hard paddling. After that, maybe give them one in the church park lot as well. Beat the devil out of them. :-)

  • newstarshipsmell

    Ha. I wonder how many of your downvoters would’ve done the same if they’d read Dakota’s update below.

  • alphatroll

    Texans?

  • Athena

    I know everyone hates when I do this, but let me get serious for a moment.

    Dakota’s update only deepens my belief that the kid needs help and the parents need punishment. One guy was saying this kid’s been a problem for at least a year and a half. If your kid is that fucked up by such a young age (9?), that’s a direct result of your actions (or inaction) as a parent. This kid has been bred to be a little asshole. At his age, it’s kind of beyond his realm of capability to override and rise above what his environment has taught him is acceptable behavior. Not without help and some positive role models, which mom and dad obviously aren’t.

    So, yeah… I still would’ve down-voted. If you want to joke about child molestation, that shit needs to be funny. If you’re not joking, well… you’re a deplorable human being.

  • Eliza Berntsen

    Why are they brown?

  • Athena

    You’re right. I’m sure I’ll be totally jealous of your advanced wrinkles in a few years. ;)

    (That’s right, I went there. Twilight comparisons are just cruel… especially since I am pale white and only occasionally sparkly.)

  • alphatroll

    Two more updates:

    “Investigation of 11-year-old gun suspect leads to adult arrest, search of home”

    “Portland father accused of leaving gun where 11-year-old armed robbery suspect could get it”

    “Portland, Oregon–December 11, 2012– Portland Police and DHS were at the home Tuesday of the 11-year-old armed robbery suspect. DHS took the boy’s four-year-old sister into protective custody and also lead the mother out of the home. The father was arrested, accused of leaving the gun where the 11-year-old could take it. Jamie Francis/The Oregonian”

  • alphatroll

    As it happens, yes. Dad was arrested today, and BIG SURPRISE, yes, he has a felony record. And Son has had cops called on him at least 5 times in the last year and a half.

  • alphatroll

    The gun belonged to his dad, who has been arrested.

  • alphatroll

    Thanks so much for the link! There’s more now: the dad has been arrested for leaving the gun lying around.

  • Athena

    I don’t really know. Just kind of muddy, I suppose,

  • newstarshipsmell

    Ha. I nonvoted her comment. I think every kid deserves help. Not all of them will benefit from it. Some kids are just future-assholes-in-training. But I’m more comfortable with wasting time/effort trying to help the bad apples than writing off kids that could’ve been reformed into decent human beings, just because they had shitty parents.

    I was just stirring the pot.

    I was about to add “I would be curious, though, to hear more about the parents…” but I just saw @alphatroll:disqus’s update below.
    *clicks alphatroll’s links to read*

  • Rachel Ann

    I’m assuming you mean the football team.

  • Rachel Ann

    *Grabs giant box of Crayons and looks for unsurprised*

  • ShelbySP

    I always just say I’m half black. To paraphrase Wanda Sykes, I’m not African, never been to Africa, and Africa never sent a rescue boat for us. I’m not African American. And white people plague their children with terrible names as well–Bubble, Sparkle, Drayk, MARMOSET (!!???) –all names of kids in my mom’s school.

  • ShelbySP

    Haha no problem ;) And whenever I see someone trying to converse with a child who can barely talk, I tend to assume the baby is the smarter one in the convo.

  • bethied

    Lol, no worries, I know exactly what you’re talking about. It’s irritating, I once had a toddler run straight into me when I was waiting tables. I was standing perfectly still with a tray in my hand and I felt something slam into me, followed by wailing. He nailed his head pretty hard on my pelvic bone and it literally knocked him on his back. I then proceeded to get bitched out by the “mom” for “kicking her child over.” Of course i had to pologize like crazy basically for standing where kid decided to run at full speed. Uh, sorry, lady. Keep your kid in the high chair, or at least within your sight, and don’t let him run around the place like it’s a damn playground.

  • Mistress OfSubs

    Wow. Thanks for the update. Sounds like it’s good to get this kid off the streets–and the dad, too. Modeled behavior much?

  • Mistress OfSubs

    Good one on the Boo Radley reference, and could not agree with you more about the parental response. What really hit me is that this kid is just brazen–it’s alarming how overtly cocky and aggressive he apparently is. Sounds like he’s had a good coach at home.

    Though personality, clinically, isn’t assumed to “gel” until age 16 or so, all indications are this isn’t the last the public will see from this kid, and it’s not like he’s one-of-a-kind. The trends in violent crimes committed by juveniles is alarming even to many LEOs. What’s more alarming is that (like in this case,apparently), parents are not only NOT providing the structure, rearing and (appropriate) discipline the child needs, they commonly end up responding with apathy and/or defiance. It makes it very difficult for LE to do their jobs. It’s like a train wreck you see coming but you have no way of stopping.

  • techsupp0rt

    Damn, didn’t realize exactly where this was. We just transferred out of that school district!

  • Buffettgirl

    Oh no doubt, I mean who looks at their newborn baby and calls it Buford? Or Walter? Or Bunny? We’ve got ‘em too.

  • LeaveMeBe

    HA! I only did it because I know how much you hate Twilight. And I will have no wrinkles because I use sunscreen. :P

  • alphatroll
  • Abroad

    Nothing wrong with Walter, – and I might even give Buford a pass. Bunny is not a name, it is a term of endearment and does not belong anywhere near a birth certificate.

  • Athena

    I definitely prefer crazy black names to crazy white names. The difference? At least blacks are creative about that shit. They’ll throw together some stuff no one’s ever heard before. White people mostly just take normal names and spell them like they’re retarded.

  • sweekymom

    And they took custody of a 4 year old girl. Here’s hoping they also take away the 11 and 7 year olds.

  • Dirk

    “Badd” is the best one

  • Dirk

    In the next few decades, you will be increasingly identified as “white American,” like it or not.

  • alphatroll

    They picked up their 9-year-old brother at school, and the 11-year-old thug “somewhere else.” The 7-year-old apparently isn’t related, so no news yet on him. But kids that age tend to be eager “followers” of older kids, so perhaps he was just doing what he was told.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I was eight and a half months pregnant, and someone’s little hellspawn came running at me full speed, and me being pretty much a land whale at that point, I couldn’t move out of the way. He headbutted me right in the stomach, and fell backwards onto his cranium. His retarded mother proceeded to yell at ME for knocking her child over, while Walmart called an ambulance to have ME checked out, and not her demon brat. That was pretty awesome to be taken care of by EMTs in front of her bitch ass.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    To be fair, I tell my one year old he’s acting ridiculous, but I tell him that while figuring out what is wrong and dealing with it.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Youth group was my cover to go see boys.

  • JohnQknowitall

    Mine too.

  • Jessica Stewart

    In the words of Mr.Burns: “Ehhhhhxcelent” :)

  • ShelbySP

    Ridiculous is not the same as “unreasonable”. Unreasonable implies the capacity to reason beyond “I want something and I’m not getting it.” My mom used to tell me I was being ridiculous or a brat when I threw a tantrum.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I try not to call my kid a brat. But some days… ooooh.

  • Tom

    Where are your freaking jokes now? Haha…this crap is funny!

  • Tom

    It’s not so funny when it’s a woman…where are those jest comments you say about man being assaulted by women!

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Dude. Get off your high horse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mary.withers Mary Withers

    Ah. Daddy drank ….

  • jorge

    I think Obama would agree with you.

  • Buffettgirl

    This just made my day! ;-)

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