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Man Shot Two Teen Burglars, Hid Their Bodies In Basement For A DayLittle Falls, MN – A 64-year-old man has been charged with second-degree murder after he encountered two teen burglars in his home, shot them both to death, then hid their bodies in his basement for a day.

Byron Smith was at home alone on Thanksgiving when Nicholas Schaeffel, 17, and his cousin Haile Kifer, 18, broke into his home through a bedroom window and made their way down to the basement where Byron was tinkering in his workshop. In response to finding the two teens in his home illegally, Byron shot them both dead. He then left them in his basement for a day before calling a neighbor for a good lawyer and asking them to call police. When police arrived at Smith’s home, he reported the burglary and confessed to shooting the teens.

In Minnesota, it’s perfectly within your right to use deadly force if someone has broken into your home and you are in fear for your life, but police say Smith went too far and that’s why he has been charged with murder. Initial reports didn’t say what evidence they had that suggested Smith had went too far, but now some of those details have come out and I have to admit, I can understand why he was charged.

Now hear me out before you start discounting me as some anti-gun, bleeding-heart artist. I carry concealed and have no issues with someone killing another to protect the lives of themselves or others. But keep reading and tell me if you think the shootings were justified.

According to the charges, Smith told investigators that Schaeffel was walking down the basement stairs when he shot him with a rifle. After the teen fell and lay on the floor looking up at him, Smith says he shot him in the face because he thought the teen may have a weapon and that he “wanted him dead.”

Smith says after he sat down in a chair, he used the rifle to shoot Kifer as she walked down the basement stairs. He told police that after she fell he tried to shoot her a second time, but the rifle jammed. He said that Kifer laughed at him when this happened and that made him even angrier. “If you’re trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again,” he told police. So Smith pulled out a .22 caliber revolver and shot Kifer several times in the chest. A few minutes later, as Kifer gasped for air, he shot her once more under her chin.

Byron’s brother says the man simply panicked. “Put yourself in his shoes after you shoot two people in your basement,” Bruce Smith said. “How are you going to react?” He has a point. I’m not sure how I would react if two teens surprised me in my home. I’m not saying I wouldn’t shoot them, but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t do it quite like Smith, and I would definitely report it immediately afterwards — if I thought the shootings were justified.

A lot of articles covering this incident go on to describe Smith as a strange loner who loved guns, and the murdered teens as being well liked by their peers with friends saying they did not deserve to be murdered, even if they did break into someone’s home. Brady is described as having a “million dollar smile” who liked to make his friends laugh. Kifer was a senior at Little Falls High School where she competed in gymnastics and swimming while also helping manage the boys wrestling team.

I thought it was odd that these two teens, as described, would end up shot to death in the basement of someone else’s home. It wasn’t until I found an article by the Star Tribune that a more clearer picture emerged. There it was reported that students who knew Brady say he got into trouble a lot at school, and they were not surprised that he would be involved in a robbery. As for Kifer, she reportedly had been in treatment multiple times for drug addiction and had just recently returned to school.

The Star Tribune also reports that Smith had been the victim of several burglaries over the last two years, the latest one in October when thieves broke into his home and made off with $10,000 worth of guns, electronic gear and cash. Wetzel planned to hold a news conference sometime today where he said he would release a fuller picture of what happened. “We do want to give the public a clear picture of what happened,” Wetzel said.

Byron Smith remains at the Morrison County jail, with bail set at $2 million.

There are a lot of lessons to be learned here, but I think the main thing to take away from this that if you don’t want to get your ass shot to death in someone’s basement, don’t break into their home.

Feel free to disagree with me, but with what we know currently, do you think Smith was legally justified to shoot these two teens in the manner he described, or are the charges against him deserved?

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  • daMonBrooks

    I was waiting for the details to come out. I feel bad for all three, I don’t think Bryon thought he would snap like that, and probly seen them as every single person who had robbed him in the past. You can’t shoot unarmed helpless folk as they are laying in a pool of their own blood though.

  • HotReadingMama

    Um. A shot teenaged girl laughed at him when his gun didn’t go off a second time? That’s GANGSTA

  • alphatroll

    I guess the lesson here is if you MUST break into houses to pay for your drug habit, try to pick those of people who AREN’T insane.

  • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.meluso Charlie Meluso

    Justified. If anyone breaks into my home they will be killed. Man, woman, or child.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Well, you can, but it’s probably a good idea to hide the bodies really well rather than waiting a day and reporting it.

  • OutOfBubbleGum

    You can that I’m not going to break into his cell. I’ll get shot, too.

  • Athena

    Don’t we remember the pharmacy shooting? Shooting people who are a threat to you: Legal. Continuing to shoot them after they are no longer a threat: Not.

    Your right to shoot someone is directly proportional to the threat level they pose. The courts tend to agree that, unless the intruder is holding a weapon, his or her threat level becomes minimal immediately after being shot. If you pause and then resume shooting, that is a separate incident and is considered murder.

    Moral of the story? Use a semi-auto and unload it into the intruder immediately.

  • http://www.facebook.com/izlude.hyral Izlude Hyral

    He was well within his rights. If they lived, they could have sued. I got the old man’s back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sarah-Silcox-Martin/1460419094 Sarah Silcox Martin

    Something doesn’t add up. This teenaged girl heard gun shots yet she kept coming down the stairs? And she laughed after she had been shot? Quite frankly, if you are stupid enough to break into someone’s home then you deserve whatever happens to you. Maybe this man was so incensed at these little dirt bags breaking into HIS HOME that he lost it. And quite frankly, that should be his right to do so. Don’t want to get shot in the face? Don’t break into people’s homes!

  • sugarpie

    Why oh why would this girl walk into the basement after hearing gun shots?? And for real, I have to call bullshit on her laughing after being shot once. I believe you have the right to defend yourself in your own home, but yeah, I think he went to far….

  • http://www.facebook.com/dumps.klown Dumps Klown

    they broke into his house, all bets were off after that. They got themselves killed. they picked the wrong fucking house.

  • NY_Mommy

    This whole story is fishy. So he shot the boy 2 times and then sat down in a chair to shoot the girl. Who, by the way, has no survival instincts what so ever since she supposedly went into the basement after hearing 2 shot gun blasts and her cousin is laying on the floor dead? And then he doesn’t call the police? And what burglar heads to the basement for loot? Were they looking to steal Xmas decorations?

    I think a more plausible story is that they broke in, crazy armed to the teeth Byron realized he could make them pay for the past burglaries and took them to the basement to kill them.

  • Snickering x Hydra

    Sounds like a scene out of a bad horror movie. “Don’t go down into the basement!” Girl goes down anyway. Girl dies.

    A better scenario: Girl hears shots. Fight or flight? Flight, obviously. Screw that guy. Girl gets help, and bodies don’t remain in basement for a day.

  • Evan Oswald

    this story isn’t the full story. However, Smith doesn’t deserve murder charges asmuch as he deserves manslaughter or accidental murder

  • SpunkyBunks

    I hope this goes to court with a reasonable jury. He had every right to shoot them, they burglarized his home and obtained entry without permission. Where I come from, you can legally be shot within the home. If they ran outside and were shot outside, then it’s murder. I asked my uncle, he’s a cop.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    In Minnesota you can shoot a burglar if you think your life is in danger. You can’t shoot a girl in the throat because she is gasping for air minutes after you shot her several times in the chest. That’s murder.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    It’s not whether he was right in killing them, but if the way he did it was legal.

  • t0ofly

    I think it became murder the second he encountered the teens, realized he had the upper hand and chose to shoot them anyways. He could have easily held them until the police came. Instead he gave them a coup de grace. Combine that with the fact he didn’t ever call police? Murder

    Just throw the redneck in prison where he’ll have to be more careful about using the N word.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    lol, exactly.

  • GGMon

    I think the first shots waere justified. I think after that was a bit excessive UNLESS they had their weapons drawn but I agree with a lot of the users here that this story isn’t making sense. Perhaps the teen girl didn’t want to leave without her cousin? Anyway I do feel for everyone involved.

  • joshua

    I would have done the same

  • Coyote

    These two lost all rights when they decided to break into someone’s home.

    Concealing a corpse, not reporting the crime immediately, sure Mr. Smith could be charged for something of that nature, but in his own home that has been burglarized several times in the past, he had every right to put as many bullets in those two that he wanted.

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    It’s why I always keep the “Twins” handy.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Morbid, his uncle’s a cop, STFU.

  • Athena

    Two things to get from this post: The law isn’t the same everywhere, and
    cops may not be legal experts, contrary to popular belief.

  • newstarshipsmell

    What if a child escaped from a kidnapping and broke into your home looking for safety? Better to shoot first and ask later, I suppose.

  • Sam

    Huh. I guess the old guy wasn’t for sharing his thanksgiving tv dinner.

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    If he’s disabled, he needs to completely neutralize the threat ASAP. Even an “unarmed” teen vs. a disabled, armed elderly man is a threat to the man’s life. Take a walk in that old man’s slippers for a moment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1069158605 Randy Whisnant

    The shooting was justified. The murder was not. As for the girl laughing at him? I don’t buy it. She heard shots. Several of them. Yet she stayed around to check on her brother. Her brother was shot while on the stair, same as she. So now she is shot, laying somewhere near her brother while he is missing part of his face and she laughs because he misfired? I don’t buy it, I don’t buy it at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1069158605 Randy Whisnant

    And you would be in jail with a 2m bail too.

  • Andyman

    If I am ever convicted of a crime, I want you on my Jury. :)

  • Andyman

    Somewhat agree although see Athena’s comment above for why this guy probably will go down for using excessive force.

  • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.meluso Charlie Meluso

    A child looking for help would be screaming for help. A teen looking for my possessions would sneak surreptitiously into my house and creep down my basement stairs.

    Certainly I would attempt to verify an intruders intent; however, if there was one tenth of one percent of doubt in my mind as to the reason for the unannounced visit… off with their heads.

  • JGo555

    Shoot’em both once, ask the one that’s alive if there’s anyone else & call the cops. All of that in the space of less than 2 minutes.
    I understand the being angry for being laughed at, but as soon as they were not able to move I’da hightailed it outta there.

  • Athena

    Of course you do. Everyone should. My inner child is a defense attorney. :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I’m with you, story doesn’t add up. The kids could have just been going to invite the old man over for some turkey knowing he might be alone and lonely. Crazy old man was probably half in the bag when they came looking for him. The old man’s crazed mind just filled in the blanks to make it plausible to himself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Agreed. You’re already pointing a loaded gun at someone, no need to pull the trigger unless absolutely necessary.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Maybe he waited to report it because he was seriously considering making them his Thanksgiving Feast.

  • Sam

    Maybe he only called the cops when he realised he didn’t have a roasting tin big enough.

  • http://www.facebook.com/natachiav Natachia Ventura-Densten

    What a coincidence, my uncle was a cop too,let me go grab my Ouija Board and see what he thinks of this.

  • ParrotProdigy

    They posed a threat and even when they saw he was home they still continued further into the house. I feel bad for the teens, but their actions got them where they are now. They could of just as easily turned around and left. Who goes around breaking into other peoples property, let alone on Thanksgiving? I’ve never tried to rob anyone, and I’m still alive. Maybe they should of acted there age and not like some hormonal 13 year old.

  • ParrotProdigy

    Yes because EVERYONE breaking into someone’s house or doing anything illegal is OBVIOUSLY just doing it for drug money. You’re close minded, and slightly offensive. It’s your way or no way, eh? Excuse me, I have to go kill my dog for drug money, brb

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    But he’s not disabled, and the teen girl already had a few holes in her and was gasping for breath when he walked over and shot her in the neck. In fact, he says he shot her because he was angry at her laughing at him, not because he was in fear for his life.

  • ParrotProdigy

    I think that someone who was “kidnapped and looking for safety” may announce themselves and/or their problem before running like a banshee into ,most likely, ANOTHER basement

  • ParrotProdigy

    You run out of tampons or are you always this much of a pushover? If you have the guts to break into my house and have no regard when stealing my stuff, I will follow the law to the T, but damn will you get yours

  • ParrotProdigy

    Held them? They would run (like they should of when they SAW THE GUN), don’t want to get shot, don’t illegally break into peoples homes. You all seem to forget that they broke the law first by entering his house, it’s his RIGHT to shoot trespassers, and I’ll be damned if we have a butthurt a-holes like you around when it comes time for judgment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cindy-Crawford/13964421 Cindy Crawford

    I hope they drop the charges against this guy. I live in MN and I’d like to find a way to start a collection for his defense fund.

  • peanutbutternuts

    if you really like being alive one of the last things you should do is break into someone’s house. it sounds a bit excessive, the force he used, but i don’t feel bad for them. if you’re selfish enough to break into someone’s house and steal their possessions you can’t really be upset if the person’s crazy as fuck and kills you.

  • LuvsHorror

    Maybe the first shot, but after that, no, it wasn’t necessary.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Hey, welcome to the D’D! I was joking.

  • LuvsHorror

    It’s one thing defending your home and self, I agree with shooting the intruder, I would, but once they are helpless, it becomes murder, and I would have trouble living with that.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Maybe we’re going to hell.

  • Athena

    Um… The article clearly states that the girl has been to rehab. Drug money is the safest bet, here.

    So, which are you? A junkie or a thief?

  • Athena

    Really? I see this as a win-win-win for society. Two fucked up teens taken out of the equation (not that I wouldn’t have preferred that they get shot and lived; that usually straightens a kid out) and a crazy ol’ coon allegedly obsessed with guns. I don’t want any of the above in my neighborhood… do you?

  • sweekymom

    We’re already there.

  • Andyman

    I’ve noticed that! Lol

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Oh yeah. My bad.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    One of my besties is a cop. Guess what she would say? “Stop arguing law with retards on the internet.”

  • Heather_Habilatory

    No maybe about it, NSSS.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    What is so wrong with them running away?

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Does this guy have lizard eyelids or what the hell is going on? That’s the weirdest camera blur I’ve ever seen.

  • shadough

    How could killing your dog get drug money? O_o

  • newstarshipsmell

    1. Excuse self
    2. Kill dog
    3. ????

  • salad

    fuck that bitch was cute! i have no issues with wasting Nick, but damn, Haile should have been spared considering how much happiness she could have given the world. call me a hedonist. but a dead Nick, a jailed Byron, and a free and promiscuous Haile would make this hell called life slightly more bearable.

  • newstarshipsmell
  • Heather_Habilatory

    lol

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    From your write-up, I see nothing that states anything remotely close that he’s not disabled. Disabled or not, if I put holes in someone that’s in the process of invading my home, then they laugh; I will end them. If they have the strength, or craziness, to do anything other than moan or scream; then I have to assume that they have enough strength to start, or resume, an attack on my person.

  • Pyncky

    I disagree. A gun is not a magic wand. Just waving it around will not automatically give you the upper hand. I was taught that if you pull the gun out and point it at someone, then you should shoot.

    I don’t think I would have kept shooting after the threat was gone, but I can’t be sure since I have never been in his shoes. Fear is powerful.

  • wastintime

    He had every right to shoot them the first time. But shooting them as they lay on the floor struggling for breath, thats going way to far. And as for the girl laughing at him, I find that hard to believe, unless she was all drugged up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gen.emolias Gen Emolias

    You’re joking right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=718600192 Tim Bates

    Deserved. He disabled one, and could have held the other at bay. Murder 2 charge should stand.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gen.emolias Gen Emolias

    Great, another idiot talking about judgement.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gen.emolias Gen Emolias

    LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/gen.emolias Gen Emolias

    So, my friend has been telling me about this website for months, I’m finally here, and all I can say is…. damn. I’m here to stay.

    Anyway, the old man deserves the charges. “If you’re trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again,”? when they LAUGH at you? o_O She was probably crying.
    Shoot them because they’re in your house, fine. Shoot twice, pause, sit down, shoot again, gun jams, shoot some more?? No way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gen.emolias Gen Emolias

    They could’ve been breaking in for the hell of it. I know of a few kids that would do that when I was in high school. It’s possible. Then again, I was raised in Miami, FL. Ha.

  • Sam

    Welcome!

  • takurospirit

    Did they even have weapons? Maybe he invited them into his house for the express purpose of riddling them with bullets. He looks crazy.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I’m going to comment before reading all the other comments. I think Smith was justified in shooting them but I do not think he was justified in shooting them in the manner he did and he should have immediately called the police. Because of this, I understand the charges brought against him. I also hope the kids’ friends understand that their friends died because of the choices they made, and it has nothing to do with deserving death or not.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    NOOOOOOOOOO. Leave the ouija board ALONE!

  • LeaveMeBe

    I was taught the same as Pyncky, if you point a loaded gun at someone you better use it. Not to the excesses that this man did, but a gun doesn’t make you invincible. I would have erred on the side of caution and shot the kid, too, but then I would have called LE.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Howdy! *spits*

  • come_and_see

    There’s a clear line between self defense and murder. Depending on the state (lol, Mass) you can shoot somebody if your life is in danger, but shooting somebody in the back or when they’re down or running away is too far.

  • Pipsmom06

    Wow.this is why you never break into someone’s home…you don’t know if the homeowner’s personality more closely resembles Bill Cosby or Hannibal Lecter.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I got it and I appreciate you. *ruffles your hair*

  • buhbam

    I’m thinking it was a nervous “oh fuck” type of laugh. I do it all the time whenever I screw up.

  • chgplz

    Even a crazy loner knows he can shoot and kill an intruder or two as the case may be. Even he felt he had not handled the situation correctly thus the hiding of the bodies and calling a lawyer instead of a simple 911 call to report self defense. His story doesnt add up.

  • buhbam

    What other reason is there to break into someone’s house if not to kill them or steal their shit to sell?

  • Sam

    To stare at your sleeping body with glazed over eyes and wandering hands… eh, what? ;)

  • cedric

    Legally the old murdering Bastard was initially covered,however once there was no further threat and the girl was laying prone and disabled the old guy was pretty much fried in my opinion when he continued simply because “he wanted them dead.” The fact that he failed to immediately notify the authorities only serves to illustrate that mentally he,himself knew that he had committed a crime in the manner he had executed these teens.If someone broke into my house (which has happened) in the past and I caught them there (hasn’t happened – yet) there is a good chance that I would shoot them dead,but what this guy did sounds like pure evil to me.

    Damn it – no yahoo option avail to log into my old account :(
    I missed you guys,by the way.

  • Sam

    You know, i did wonder actually if the teens knew about the guns stolen in the previous robbery. Did they think “it’s ok, his guns were stolen anyway”?

  • buhbam

    Exactly! If you pull a gun on someone you damn well better fire it. Did he go a bit overboard? Hell yeah. But I would have done the same thing. Except I would have called the cops that night, not the next day.

  • buhbam

    They’ll come back.

  • Sam

    *squints*
    Could it be…
    You’re alive?
    *grasps on to anti-zombie weoponry just in case*

  • buhbam

    Mercy killing. He was shutting her the fuck up. All that gasping and rasping has got to be annoying.

  • cedric

    I seriously doubt the guy is telling the complete truth.Even if the girl was high at the time it sounds like a lie.

  • cedric

    Chances are you wouldn’t feel bad for Bryon if those were your kids daMon – I agree with your points except for that one.The guy went past defending and at least in the girl’s case committed an execution … he gets zero sympathy from me.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Do you really think she laughed? Lying there after being shot, right next to her cousin who had already been shot to death? I don’t think she laughed. She may have been making noises, been hysterical, but I don’t think she laughed. What he did was over-kill. I think he had every right to shoot and defend his home, but I also think he’s fabricating the laughing part.

  • buhbam

    LOL. Of course, there’s that too.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Maybe?

  • buhbam

    Me too.

  • LeaveMeBe

    No shit! I totally agree on both counts, especially on the fact that cops aren’t legal experts. But because they act like they are, they cause more problems. >:/

  • cedric

    True,but I think you will find that what he did not have a right to do was stop and chat with the person while they were already laying prone bleeding to death on his floor,and were zero threat to anyone,switch guns and then finish them off,simply because he – “wanted them dead”.

  • cedric

    Sam !!!! :)
    As to your statement I doubt they gave it a thought.The odds are great though that they were in on all,or some of those past burglaries.Sometimes if the past payout was indeed good the criminal really does return to the scene of the crime.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Holy crow! Is that really you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Haha, I see a lot of you tough talkers. If it came down to it, you would shit your pants.

  • HotReadingMama

    Obviously I don’t believe that really happened. I was being a smartass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    The first stair on his steps that creaked should have come with a warning, “I have a gun, I will shoot you if you come any further.” The teens would have ran out of his house.

  • http://www.facebook.com/edward.hickey Edward Hickey

    Did this guy go too far? yes, but did he have the right to shoot them? I say yes. If his story is true I think killing the boy maybe justified but finishing off a helpless girl is not so clear. I would not charge him with murder but failure to report a crime and manslaughter. Give the guy some leeway he had been robbed before and I bet we know by who now, I so bet he did think they were armed and with the very guns they may have stole from him last October. Do I feel bad for them dying yes but in the end they both were scumbag thieves who knew the old guy own guns and most likely like the thrill of pushing their luck. I’ve never owned a gun mainly for this reason that I’m pretty sure I’d use it in such a case, yet I still doubt I go as far as this guy but once your home has been defiled in such a way I’m sure greater fear & anger set in when you realize their back again, your home alone and they could be armed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I think a lot of people misinterpret the lesson they were being taught. For example, I was told, “Never pull a gun on someone unless you intend to use it.” Most of the trigger happy folks here will read that as “If you pull the gun out, shoot it!”. However, the REAL lesson there is to not just go pulling a gun on EVERYONE, that when you do pull a gun out to aim at someone that it is no longer a game or fun. How about a warning shot? There is no coming back from death. If you pull the trigger to take someone’s life you better be damn sure it was 100% necessary, not just, “well, it was within his rights?”

  • alphatroll

    When people break into houses on holidays, it’s because they assume nobody’s home. It happens a lot, actually (remember “Home Alone”?). The guy being alone in the basement fits this assumption pretty well.

  • newstarshipsmell
  • newstarshipsmell

    That seems rather prejudiced of you to assume that all old crazy hermits with a shitload of guns are disabled somehow by default unless otherwise specified. I like it.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Right? I know when I head over to some cantankerous gunlovin’ git’s to invite him to dinner, I always break in through the back window and sneak into his basement to find him. Not like he’s gonna emerge from his dungeon to answer the fucking doorbell.

  • newstarshipsmell

    If you’re actually out, I got a bunch to spare. All you gotta do is ask.

  • newstarshipsmell

    That’s one of the things I’m wondering about. He’s claiming they broke in through his back window. Obviously, he could’ve invited them in, if he suspected they were responsible for the previous burglaries, and broken the window himself to match his story. But I’d think the investigation would’ve looked for physical evidence that they actually came in that way. Be interesting to see how this one plays out, to say the least.

  • buhbam

    I would have shot him too.

  • newstarshipsmell

    But like I said above, he conveniently executed both witnesses that might have contradicted his story, so it’s possibly only his word that they actually broke in. He’d already been robbed of ten grand worth of guns, electronics and money; who knows if rumors were flying around about who did it? Maybe they didn’t actually break in. The fact the boy was a known troublemaker and the girl was a drug addict lends weight to his story, though, I’ll grant that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Compensating for something if you ask me.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Haha cedric, I saw your posts above and assumed it was some impostor. Glad to see you back.

  • newstarshipsmell

    And you would have been entirely justified, in my eyes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Brando.Michael Brandon Easley

    I believe seeing as the victim was robbed previously that word got around and these two idiots chose to do the same. Honestly, I’m with the old man on this. Whether his story adds up is irrelevant. B&E is no joke and I don’t care how great your smile is.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I hear ya. And that’s what I was taught. If I had been in my basement and pulled my gun and my husband walked in, I wouldn’t shoot him. But if two unknown teens walked in, I would shoot. I hate to say it, but assume the worst and hope for the best. I wouldn’t have plugged them over and over. But I’m not taking any chances if it comes to me or them and they are uninvited guests who just committed B&E. My family needs me. I also have to say this is what I think I would do in this situation, but until your there you just never know, do you?(Truth is, we don’t know what really happened down there with this guy. The kids could have been high or maybe stone sober. I don’t blame him for shooting, I do blame him for the overkill and think he deserves these charges based on his own statements.)

  • LeaveMeBe

    This is true, too. So what I meant to say was, if the facts of this story are correct then…

    I don’t think she laughed. I mean, I’m an effin’ bad-ass and I wouldn’t have laughed.

  • Sam

    Hey stranger! Good to see you again!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Great! I like to offer them as teabags to fake twighlight vampire teens.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I can’t for certain say what happened that night with the old man, just like I can’t for certain say what I would do in that moment. My response goes toward a lot of these comments that amount to nothing more than self hype, “If it was me I would shoot anyone that stepped on my porch.” Either they just like to talk a lot of shit or they don’t fully understand the value of a life and the ramifications of taking one. It’s the same armchair tough guy mentality. I’m not saying there is never a valid reason to defend yourself in your home. I do believe that if you are shooting at the first creaky sound you hear in your home that it doesn’t make you a tough guy, just a panicked individual that is more likely to kill a loved one than any actual intruder. I still think in this case, being the teens had to descend stairs before coming into view of the old man, that the killing wasn’t necessary. You have the advantage, you know they are there and they aren’t sure of where exactly you could be. You could easily get the drop on a perp and simply say, “lay on the ground, hands above your head, make a move and I’ll shoot.”

  • LeaveMeBe

    Who has no memory?!?! Me?

  • buhbam

    Agree with your whole post except the helpless girl part. That cholita bitch was living like a gangsta bitch and died like a gangsta bitch. She asked for it. If she was just looking to rob someone, then break in when you are sure noone is home. If you break in at night that tells me that you are prepared for any confrontation that may come your way. And she sure as hell got one.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I gotcha. Once again, I think we’re on the same station just playing different tunes. I’m beginning to feel like you just pick at me to try and start something. You must like our tussles, although you know they’ll never go anywhere. “…dance a little stranger, show me where you’ve been. love can make you hostage wanna do it again. there’s no time to think about the starting or the end, we’ll find out I’m told, my mother she told me so. I just wanna fly!!!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    The story doesn’t say, “they saw he was home then continued to the basement.” It does however say that he shot the first teen, then sat down in a chair before shooting the second teen. Yeah, sounds like a guy playing with a full deck of cards. What exactly were they doing that makes them hormonal?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Yeah, I saw the story said they broke in through the window. I would like to know if this is just his account of things or if there was actual evidence to support that claim.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    4. Profit

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    A little tussle in the hay never hurt no one :)

  • sam1211

    The usual initials; ROFL (Rolls On Floor Laughing) , The ones that apply to this HS girl; STGL (Shot to Ground Laughing). That dude’s story does not add up at all….

  • chgplz

    Having had my home robbed I by no means condone the fact of these two kids breaking into this mans home and he had every right to shoot them. Also they obviously had issues with the drug abuse and breaking and entering but there was no need to slaughter them. I hate they had to die at such a young age as they were young enough to reform their ways. I never did anything like that as a teen but I made my fair share of mistake and bad choices and still managed to become a useful, productive member of society. Making mistakes no matter how serious does not justify what this man did. Shooting them once would have disabled them until police could be called but standing over the girl and repeatedly shooting her in the chest because she laughed, which was probably actually her crying, and then for good measure putting a gun to her chin and pulling the trigger yet again, what was that about? I believe in home protection and self defense I do not however believe in murder and at least as far as the girl goes that is exactly what this was. Did he have the right to protect himself and home, of course he did. Did he have the right to slaughter them, no. Many of you have stated he was within his rights and that you too would have shot them but would you in all honesty have carried it this far? I prefer to believe that the answer to that would be no, that you would disable them and call police as they obviously had no weapons and once shot they were no longer a threat.That is where his rights ended and the duty of the police department and justice system began.

  • midniteshadows

    Semi-auto – You rock!!!

  • chgplz

    I come from a family of law enforcement officers, my uncle is a Sheriff, one cousin is a Highway Patrol officer who also trains dope sniffing dogs all over the country, one cousin is asst. warden at Parchmen state Penitentiary and 6 are deputy sheriffs. But I dont have to ask them to know it is legal to shoot an intruder, it is how far the old coot took it after they were no longer a threat that was just plain wrong.Over kill comes to mind.

  • nowitzki41

    They probably weren’t going to amount to anything anyway.

  • nowitzki41

    Exactly, they got what they deserved

  • nowitzki41

    No, you have to kill them. Otherwise they’ll sue and win.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Or maybe it was a “my buddy just got half his face shot off and I’m lying in a pool of my own blood, time to go to my happy place” laugh.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Well, maybe they were just looking for a good spot to fuck.

  • buhbam

    One and the same really. My point…I doubt she was laughing at the old guy.

  • daMonBrooks

    Michael, I don’t think a lot of people are being “tough guys” as you see it. I’m never going to be in a combat station again if all goes well, though I doubt I’m going to ask you to hold hands and sing songs with me while i escort you out of my house. I might shoot you with a shotgun, I may shot you with a rifle, I may hit you with a frying pan.

    I think a lot of people are reacting with the pure disgust that someone may want to take advantage of you, break into your property, may want to break your face. I don’t care if they are there to take my dogs or take my life, My reaction is probably going to be the same. Rabid fear mixed in with intense anger. You shouldn’t be in my house.

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    In my first reply I said: “If he’s disabled…” In my second I said: “Disabled or not…” So no, there isn’t the least hint of prejudice in either statement. I however, am on disability; so I know the issues that do arise when one’s safety is compromised by others.

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    Not even close to joking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HimeTakamura Sarah Katherine Koch

    I think both parties are in the wrong. They shouldn’t have tried to rob him, he shouldn’t have hid the bodies. no one wins in situation.

  • Wolf_of_Mars

    I never said that a lot of his story doesn’t stink to high Heaven. It does. You don’t do a coup de gras on someone that isn’t trying to get up, with a secondary weapon. You call the cops, then someone for advice; not vice-versa. And, you damned sure don’t wait for a day before calling in the LEOs.

  • Chinchillazilla

    Maybe I’m just sentimental, but I think these kids were too young to be written off entirely. My big sister could have done something like this (and probably did). She flunked out of college and got on heroin. People would have written her off – I know I did. But she got clean and became a physicist whose research was cited in the discovery of the Higgs boson.

    I dunno. I know it’s not likely that these kids would have changed the world for the better, and I’m not saying they didn’t deserve to be shot, but… well, we’ll never know now, will we?

  • Rachel Ann

    You don’t have to take Morbids word for anything just look up the story for yourself.

  • Rachel Ann

    I read the story about the crazy chick getting stabby on her date and I thought of you lmfao. Is that bad?

  • techsupp0rt

    Well, that sucks on a couple of levels. Really though, what are you going to do? You’re old, alone, half senile, have been robbed in the past (possibly by these same hoodlums, who have removed your guns before and could very well be armed with them now), and now you’ve got them bleeding down your basement stairs. You know that if you call the cops, you’re probably going to be blamed, whether it’s your house and defense of it or not. He should have aimed for the legs, and then laughed at THEM when they were bleeding out and cops were on the way. 20-20 hindsight, I’m sure.

    I don’t care how old they are, if they’re caught breaking an entering and trying to steal things, they should be removed from the mortal plane at the time of the incident. Letting them go won’t fix them, people have obviously already tried to fix them, and they keep making the same stupid choices. Sure, maybe they could have turned it around, but would saving them really be worth all of the hell and harm they would probably put people through on the way? Highly unlikely.

    If it wasn’t this old man, it would have been someone else. The parents should at least be grateful that they have a body to put into a hole, because if it didn’t happen this way, it still would have happened, and they likely wouldn’t have gotten that closure when they were laying in a ditch.

  • http://twitter.com/christop888 christopher whiteman

    this guy laid in wait for them in the basement and ambushed them without mercy, he’s nothing but a cold blooded killer who enjoyed what he did

  • http://profiles.google.com/ne7minder larry longmore

    should have read all the way down – you were successful at smart assery sir!

  • http://profiles.google.com/ne7minder larry longmore

    You’re assuming his story is true & they broke in. So much of the rest of his story smells like BS I’m not inclined at the moment to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • abbys_mom

    I can see how it happened, and understand it completely, if this man has had any sort of tragedy or incident in his past that could cause post traumatic stress syndrome (military, war experience). I’ve been robbed at gunpoint, and raped, and understand how if I were robbed in my home, I could get into a ‘shoot till dead’ mentality, out of fear and anger at being violated in a place I should feel safe. My grandfather survived Korea and Vietnam, and once went after a kid who broke into his house with his gun, shooting and cussing all the way to the road…you don’t try to rob someone who has been trained to kill to survive or who has suffered severe post traumatic issues.

    I don’t think any of us know how we might react out of fear and rage when someone chooses to rob us of our feelings of safety…we might well “want em dead” as well, in that moment. Especially if you think they may have a hidden weapon they will use if you just shoot to incapacitate.

    I know my husband would shoot to kill, no second thoughts, and even shoot again to make sure they were dead, if someone broke into our home…we have kids, and the thought that he might not get the job done with just one shot and they might just be wounded and pissed would be enough to make sure he pumped a good 6 or 7 bullets into them. I’d do the same to protect myself or my kids. Sorry, no sympathy for these kids whatsoever…especially considering that these days, you don’t know what people are on (drug-wise) that might give them temporary strength enough to keep coming at you after one or two bullets.

  • http://profiles.google.com/ne7minder larry longmore

    Again – given that parts of his story sound fishy why are you positive they broke in?

  • HotReadingMama

    Did you just call me “sir”? lol

  • asphaultjungle

    He is being charged with second degree murder without premeditation.
    Do police get charged with second degree murder when they tazer people
    to death for not replying quick enough to their questions? I think
    not.

    Look at the case of the woman who was
    tazered 3 times and then she died in her car. She didn’t answer the
    patrol officer’s questions fast enough. She was taken to a hospital.

    Invalids and paraplegics get tazered over and over, the officer gets suspended for a bit if at all.

    Isn’t
    it amazing that the parents and friends of these two “wonderful,
    hilarious and peppy” teenagers weren’t there the last 10 or more years
    of their lives to mold them into responsible adults/adolescents???? The
    kids run wild and the consequence of that is what you see now, they get
    shot! NO one mentions the bad, horrendous, behavior of these two that
    was so bad, the parents gave them over to drug rehabs, ect. to
    straighten them out.

    Now that they are dead, everyone
    who know them is reported to be singing their praises. HOW
    HYPOCRITICAL! Where were these phoney friends to teach them to be
    honest and do the right thing when the teens were alive??

    I
    think its friendly to enter your house by smashing your window, don’t
    you? Isn’t this what you do everyday rather than knocking on the door?
    How old were they and they still don’t know this??????

    Parents that don’t want to care for and teach their children/adolescents should not have children.

    He was right to defend himself from robbery and torture (regardless of the time of day) by killing them.

    May
    be he should have offered them pizza so they would be COMFORTABLE while
    they waited for police, if he had called them. Don’t be slowly brain
    washed into not defending yourself.This world is not a kindergarden.

    Grow up.

  • Athena

    Leave it to a male to assume that awesomeness is a masculine trait.

  • asphaultjungle

    Whey don’t you go there and check on the broken window yourself since you don’t have enough life experience to come to a decision.

    You sound fishy.

  • asphaultjungle

    Those parents don’t know their kids exist. Why did they have them, so one could be on drugs?? I would put the parents in jail for 20 days. They did such a good job didn’t they? Parents are the type that would argue for RFID chips in the hand so they could be tracked and made to be good that way, so its convenient for parents. Instead now they claim how close they were, blah, blah.

  • asphaultjungle

    You know this, how?

  • asphaultjungle

    She was dying, “gasping for air.” So he shot her. Dying is is the price of breaking and entering.
    An 80 year old was shot dead in her bed by a 5-10 member swat team who made a mistake in the heat of the moment.

    And they are supposed to be trained. Nothing happened to them. Was that killing legal or right? Huh.

  • asphaultjungle

    I think you are stupid.

  • Pipsmom06

    It’s a good thing he showed his true colors before Santa tried to climb down his damn chimney…it’s the naughty list for you sir!

  • CT

    Asshat

  • Athena

    I appreciate that point, but I also appreciate Michael’s. If you’re not well-trained enough to control a situation with your firearm while leaving the actual firing of that weapon as a last resort, you’ve really got no business owning a gun. You should be able to access the situation beyond a very basic “Someone has entered my dwelling” level. You should be able to differentiate between needing to fire your weapon and wanting to do so simply because it is within your rights.

    This man shot these kids because he wanted to, not because he had to. The fact that they broke in on a holiday clearly illustrates that they were not expecting anyone to be home. Simply announcing himself vocally would have most likely sent those kids running. The second they were facing the barrel of a shotgun, they probably would’ve peed themselves. Even if you don’t feel comfortable assuming that in the moment, you can take a beat and see how they react at the very least.

    The “shoot first, question later” mentality is some tough guy stuff, in a lot of cases. These are primarily people who, God-willing, have never and will never have to react to a home invasion situation. But they’ve seen movies, damnit! The reality of the situation is, for the well-adjusted mind, killing someone – even under complete justification – is a very, very traumatic thing. Especially when you realize those someones were unarmed teens. Don’t believe me? I’m sure you can find an individual who has shot and killed someone to talk to about it. I’ve talked to dozens of people who’ve killed someone, and all believed it ate a part of their soul.

    Yes, you should kill someone you feel is threatening your life. That’s not what this guy did, and that’s not what a lot of people here are talking about.

  • Athena

    You think a child’s drug use is automatically a parent’s fault? Ignorance is truly bliss. I hope you are never in a situation to find out first hand that even kids from good homes can find themselves addicted.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Well, I’m not saying you’re stupid, I’m just saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I totally agree with you. I was just asking, do you really think she laughed? I only ask because of your previous comment.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Wait, it isn’t?

  • newstarshipsmell

    Perhaps.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Not to that house!

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    Aw, be nice–it’s not every day that a parrot who can type visits us.

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    Welcome back.

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    Uh, Tarsh, they’re cousins.

    *remembers that this crime took place in BFE, Minnesota*

    Oh…never mind.

  • Heather4877

    Ahhh, but those people are SO hard to identify these days!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Alright, Alright, I’ll keep to the funnies and hahas

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1432220098 Suzi Merritt

    I’m sorry these two had to die. However, the community knew that his man had guns, Someone broke in and took $10000 in guns and stuff last month. Were these the ones who took those items, returning for more. He used more force than he needed. But I think he was just tired of being a victim and over reacted. The girl had to be under the influence of something. Most girls i know who are straight. would not go down stairs after hearing gun fire. They would hightailed it out of there and call for help. They obviously knew the lay of the house, the man probably stored his guns in the basement.

  • http://www.facebook.com/migamboagomez Mirta I. Gamboa

    It was his home..of course he had every right to protect it..after the adrenaline rush wore off I’m pretty sure he panicked. I probably would have reported the shooting right that moment but not.everyone reacts the same.

  • CT

    Where is your Ced at the computer? Then I will believe it is you.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I’m sure if I believed in hell that is where I would go. Maybe I should say, if I believed in a Christian hell that is where I would go. Good thing I believe hell is what we’re all in right now. I have nothing to fear.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Let’s not jump to wild conclusions. That parrot’s owner probably just left their voice recognition app running.

  • newstarshipsmell

    If he heats his home with a coal furnace, I think you may have just stumbled upon his underlying motive.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I just got really turned on.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I think this may be one of the most blissful people to ever come to this site. :P

  • LeaveMeBe

    That last line was really mature and drove your points home so well. NOT. :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/gen.emolias Gen Emolias

    How sexyyyy!

  • http://www.facebook.com/gen.emolias Gen Emolias

    Thanks, Sam :)

  • LeaveMeBe

    That’s what my husband says, too. ;)

  • Califboy

    Yep,I agree with you CT, could be Cedric the entertainer for all we know.

  • Califboy

    I hit this site every now and then and thought you road off into the sunset!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    Something sounds real fishy to me. Come on just take a hard lOOk at this twisted evil man what teens in their right mind would try to rob him? More likely both teens were lured to their deaths by Byron maybe he told them he had drugs? Once they arrived he led down to the basement then shot them in cold blood. Maybe the charges should be upgraded to first degree murder it sounds calculated & planned
    definitely not a robbery. Who calls the police hiding the bodies for 24 hours unless you’re guilty?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    Yeah Athena except you would feel differently if it was your teenage cousins right? Most likely both teens were lured to their deaths maybe with drugs? Then Byron makes up the robbery story to cover his tracks. An innocent homeowner if someone breaks into your home you IMMEDIATELY without hesitation call 911UNLESS it really isn’t a break-in staging it to look like a robbery to cover up the murders. While your advice on the surface is good about unloading on an intruder just wait you’ll see the light when more details emerge to prove the teens were slaughtered not breaking in. Think about it WHO in their right mind seeing a truck parked outside of a house breaks in to the basement while the homeowner is polishing his weapon? NoBODY that’s who get real!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    Exactly ParrotProdigy something is adding up here. This was an execution both teens didn’t stand a chance most likely they were lured to their deaths. Who breaks in to the basement as the homeowner is down there polishing his weapon? Stay tuned, Part Two to follow…….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    You know this to be false, how?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I can agree with the sentiment entirely. Fear is as powerful as any drug. Those that have the ability to remain calm in any situation are the ones that won’t be in stories like this. The individuals that think with absolute clarity will only kill as a last resort. Those types will never appear before a judge for these actions.

  • Athena

    I was speaking about the legality of shooting an intruder in general, not this particular situation. Please feel free to see my comments about this particular situation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Any spot is a good spot.

  • deadskinmask213

    Sounds like he was tired of being robbed and just snapped to me. I’m not so sure I wouldn’t have done the same thing. I wish I could say these stupid pill heads should have known better but they were just kids caught up in the same thing that has ruined the lives of so many people I used to hang out with back in highschool. It’s a sad story all the way around. What ever happened to kids just smoking a joint and watching cartoons or stoner flix like Cheech and Chong or Super Troopers? I guess it depends on who your friends are and what their poison is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1069158605 Randy Whisnant

    I doubt she was laughing at all. I know the laugh that your talking about but in a situation like this it just doesn’t feel like it fits. I think she was more likely pleading for her life. I think the guy should be charged with first degree murder. He had the threat nullified, yet he chose to end their lives. I can see though where it would be second degree murder because he didn’t go out and make plans to kill them.

  • Iknoright

    Yes, went to invite the old man over for turkey after breaking into another house and stealing prescription medication without even looking at what it was days before. I sure as hell bet they were just offering him a homely thanksgiving dinner as they smashed in his window!!!

  • Iknoright

    when they tazer people
    to death

    — you sir or madam, have just made me laugh, thank you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    The only info I have to go on for these teens is what is written above. I don’t buy the old man’s story, it is not logical and filled with lies. You seem to have knowledge of this case that is not discussed in the article. Either that or you are pulling it out of where most folks get their “facts” from. Also, the article is vague as to the window you mention. It doesn’t say the window itself was broken. It only says they broke in through the window, which could just be something the old man said. “broke-in” could just mean the window was open.

  • Pipsmom06

    Bahahahahahaha! Too true!

  • Wicked Smilee

    “…thieves broke into his home and made off with $10,000 worth of guns, electronic gear and cash”
    ….It always amazes me how people who live in crappy crime riddled areas can afford $10,000 worth of guns, gadgets, and cold cash on hand, and just leave it laying about…

  • RichardMahony

    Convicted? Don’t you mean charged?

  • RichardMahony

    America is a sick country full of sick people. Possibly these two alleged burglars got what they deserved. Or perhaps not. Nice looking kids anyway. Look into the background of their alleged murderer. Lots of unsolved killings in the USA. He may have killed before.

  • http://twitter.com/Karebu472 Karen Eileen

    The first article about this said that other houses in that area were broken into when the homeowners were gone and prescription medication was taken. I find it hard to believe that the thieves would change what was working for them by hitting a house that was occupied at the time.

    He never called the police either. He hid their bodies in his basement for one day. The first call he made afterwards was to ask a friend if they could recommend a good lawyer for him. It was that person who called the police to report it.

    The local newspaper interviewed Byron Smith’s neighbors that have
    property next to him. The neighbors were spooked by the guy because he
    frequently fired guns on his property and they also suspected him of
    being the reason why the neighborhood’s pets were vanishing into thin
    air.
    Byron Smith was ALSO known to hire high school kids to work around his property.

    Byron Smith claims his house was broken into at least eight times, but there is only one incident reported to the cops?? Byron’s brother, Bruce, told the media that Byron Smith complained about being fed up and frustrated because he thought the sheriff’s office wasn’t doing enough to solve the break-ins.
    I think he heard a rumor that Brady and Kifer MIGHT be the ones behind the B&Es, so he came up with a plan to lure them to his house by promising them jobs so he could execute them.
    LINK TO ARTICLE BELOW
    Byron Smith admitted killing two teen burglars

  • Wicked Smilee

    This is a much more believable story…

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  • disqus_ATXq3q2jJX

    They were not armed and he was afraid of 2 kids? WTF is wrong there! White trash wins again!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    Pick another forum this one concerning two teens executed deserves a little respect. I would never look at your posts again because it makes my blood boil get real! This article is not for posting crap about general situations it’s about two teens perhaps lured to their deaths. Show the family some respect by not posting garbage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    Put your dumb ostrich head back in the sand you would do the world a big favor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    Geez Andyman exactly Athena is so jaded really how does she look in the mirror? That’s all I want to know posting random crap about pharmacy shootings etc. doesn’t relate to two teens being lured to their deaths. Think about it what are chances of two teens breaking in while the old man’s truck is parked outside? ZERO After luring them to their deaths maybe telling them the drugs, weed or pills were in the basement then he uses the prior break-ins to justify slaughtering them. Judging one young lady of only 18 who was in rehab is Athena perfect? I think NOT!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    I’m buying it either what the old man is selling it just doesn’t add it because it was a execution style murders of two teens perhaps who were naive enough to believe the old man had something to sell them like drugs, weed or pills. Either way it doesn’t justify the murders point blank.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    That’s the old man’s version where he is the only living witness. While a nervous laugh is understandable i doubt this young teen would laugh as she was too scared to even flinch much less laugh. I don’t even think she had a chance to beg for her life it was over in a flash.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1616336316 Mary Mahi Mahi

    Christmas decorations that’s it. NY Mommy got it right. I think maybe Byron found out the teens were responsible for the prior burglaries perhaps it was them so he lures them over on a false pretense luring them to their deaths in the basement by telling them the drugs they wanted were down there. Doesn’t justify killing two teens he was judge, jury & executioner all wrapped in one. Do you really think two teens would break in when the old man was home? Think again his truck was parked out front with no garage.

  • Char

    Who knows, but clearly we know what you are. An ignorant person using what “facts” you have. How about you take that semi-auto you so love, put it in your mouth and do the world a favor by pulling the trigger. Shooting people once for breaking in, legitimate. Shooting them several times, even though they are dying before you is mentally insane. Those were fucking kids. How about the fact that he didn’t call the police for a day? Hmmm totally normal, eh? You fucking inbreed. That kind of thinking must have been what got our country it’s current rankings in education.

  • Char

    Oh, also…see how well owning a gun protected him from theft and burglaries that he has had it happen several times. Man, what an awesome deterrent. I can see someone got their rat tail caught in the tilt-a-whirl that day before they posted. Seriously, use your head. That’s that lump 3 feet above your ass.

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