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Woman Who Punched Elderly Walmart Greeter Sentenced To Five Years In PrisonBATAVIA, NY — Last year we reported on Jacquetta Simmons, the woman who punched an elderly Walmart worker in the face after being asked to show her receipt. Last week a judge sentenced Simmons to five years in prison.

On Christmas Eve of last year,  26-year-old Jacquetta Simmons and her male companion were leaving a Walmart after having purchased some items at the electronics section located in the back of the store.

When 70-year-old Grace Suozzi asked to check her receipts against the items she was carrying out, Simmons punched the elderly woman in the face, knocking her to the ground and fracturing the bones in the side of her face.

Simmons and her friend fled to the parking lot but other employees and customers quickly surrounded their car and prevented them from leaving until police showed up. Simmons was arrested and charged with two counts of second-degree assault, and released later on $40,000 bond.

Simmons would plead not guilty, but a jury would end up finding Simmons guilty in August and convict her under the state’s “Granny Law,” a law that gives stiffer penalties for assaulting anyone 65 or older.

On Wednesday, Simmons stood before a judge and said she was sorry for what she did to Suozzi, but the judge didn’t believer her, calling the assault brutal and senseless. She was taken into custody immediately after sentencing her to five years in prison.

Suozzi broke down in court as she explained that she is depressed and afraid to leave the house. “What she has taken away is irreplaceable, she has taken away my independence…she has taken away my joy and replaced it with trauma,” she told the court.

Simmons attorney says they will appeal the conviction. Oh, and in case you were wondering, Simmons had the receipts for her purchases.

Oh, and before someone undoubtedly brings it up, the Fourth Amendment protects you from illegal search and seizures conducted by government officials; not 70-year-old Walmart greeters asking you prove you’re leaving the store with items you actually purchased.

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  • daMonBrooks

    5 years is a long time,
    though, She did punch an old lady in the GD face.

  • LuvsHorror

    I hope she serves every day of that five years.

  • Sam

    Five years is a long time for a punch, especially compared to what some people get for murder or rape. But i must say, I really can’t bring myself to feel sorry for Simmons. Seriously, the kind of person who can without hesitation punch a geriatric in the face for no good reason deserves to be in jail.

  • Snickering x Hydra

    For some reason I really want to work this event into a modern day version of “Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer”.

  • Gungadine

    She’s a monkey animal… Like an ape, in both appearance and mentality. Nobody cares that she’s depressed, nobody. I hope she gets raped with a broom-handle everyday she is incarcerated

  • Chinchillazilla

    The victim is the one who’s depressed. And I seriously side-eye anyone who compares a black person’s appearance to that of an ape. Can’t we hate people for their actions without falling back on old racist rhetoric?

  • Gungadine

    You’re absolutely right about everything you said. I misread. But she still looks like a monkey!

  • Gungadine

    Grandma got run over by a hairy, stinky beast.

  • Clyde The Dog

    I really like the sentence. Seems appropriate, for one she’s violent and not just violent, but impulsively violent, and with that she didn’t even think twice about cold cockin’ an obviously old woman.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I want to make a “Grandma, you got knocked tha fuck out!” joke but fear the repercussions from the new morality police on DD.

    Wait, no I don’t buahahaha.

    “Grandma, you got knocked tha fuck out!”

  • Athena

    Well, aren’t you a deplorable human being. I use that last term loosely.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Fuckin’ YAY! (This is the emotional side of me responding. The logical side is on hiatus.)

  • FrikkenFrak

    I love a story with a happy ending.

  • JohnQknowitall

    Somehow I see this law being tested in the Supreme Court regarding cruel and unusual punishment.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Simmons would plead not guilty, but a jury would end up finding Simmons guilty in August and convict her under the state’s “Granny Law,” a law that gives stiffer penalties for assaulting anyone 65 or older.

    Well that strikes me as rather blatantly sexist to call it that. I can already imagine the additional victimization to their dignity by the ornery old coots subjected to the “protection” of this law. Way to add insult to injury, NY.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I think, this time, I speak for everyone here, even my down-vote stalker brigade, when I say SHUT THE FUCK UP.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Annnnd now I hear insults in my head, said in babytalk.

    “Aren’t you stupid? Who’s a dumbass? You are! Yes, yoooou are!”

  • GGMon

    This all could have been avoided had she had an ounce of patience and decided to show the receipt. I mean what the fuck? Why get yourself five years in the pen?

  • Clyde The Dog

    Raped with a broom handle? fuck, you’re a tuffy, huh?
    I’d just hope an old bag hooks off on her while she’s not looking on the chow line. and I hope a monkey animal..like an ape tosses a handful of their shit at you the next time you’re at the zoo.
    See how that works?

  • newstarshipsmell

    Quit recruiting, you got enough haterz as it is. JUST STOP IT ALREADY.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Wait, what? Who got the blow job?

    *rereads story above*

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I was doing the entire site a favor!

  • wastintime

    Haha! That’s what you get for punching an old lady. Dumb bitch! Was it worth it?

  • LeaveMeBe

    Up, Up and Away! I agree with HH. STFU already.

  • CT

    YEAH, what she said!

  • CT

    I’m trying to get in good with the “in” crowd by agreeing with everyone today.

  • LeaveMeBe

    We all know you’re a mean girl. Don’t try to change now.

  • brandi

    im pretty sure no one likes you.

  • CT

    Ahh, that means you love me.

  • CT

    LMAO. I saw this in the comments to the right and had to be sure you weren’t talking to me.

  • Andyman

    Don’t forget that the punch also crushed the bones in her face. Fuck that bitch. She will have plenty of time to reflect on this barbaric and senseless decision in jail.

  • Andyman

    I didn’t spend a lot of time on this one but wasn’t she stealing something and din’t have a receipt?

  • Simplyatomic

    She paid for it all. And now she gets to enjoy none of it.

  • Andyman

    So this was even more senseless than I previously thought. What a dumb ass.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Of course I love you. What’s not to love?

  • LeaveMeBe

    I saw it over there, too, and just assumed she was talking to you. LOL!

  • Gee

    I think you are challenged so I will not insult you as I have a soft spot in my heart for mentally challenged.

  • Gee

    Never mind you are just a fucking idiot!

  • Gungadine

    You would be mistaken

  • Gungadine

    Not challenged at all. In actuality, I volunteer and work with the developmentally challenged. Nice of you to have a soft spot for them while you call someone else challenged, sheesh..

  • Gungadine

    Not a tuffy at all. And I don’t provoke zoo animals. Seems like your jumping to defend the indefensible. How’s that working out for you?

  • Gungadine

    Nah, I’ll keep talking.

  • Gungadine

    I’m deplorable? I didn’t attack someone for no reason. I work, pay my taxes, happy to show a receipts for items I’ve purchased. The truth seems to be a difficult thing for you defenders to face. She’s an animal with no regard for anything/anyone but her welfare soaking existence.

  • Gungadine

    Because she’s an animal..

  • Gungadine

    The elderly lady, who should be retired and enjoying her remaining years had her life tragically altered by a self-serving mental weakling who struck out based on an imagined slight. 5 years is too little. Keep your hands to yourself. We’ll see how she fares against other inmates more her age.

  • Gungadine

    Agreed…

  • Gungadine

    She’ll get good behavior and be released in 2.5 with the privilege of probation.

  • Gungadine

    5 years is not long enough for that beast

  • newstarshipsmell

    Oh, because she’s black, she must automatically be on welfare? No chance she paid for her purchases with money earned from a job? Puh-lease. I thought the others were racing a bit to label you a racist, but you’ve just vindicated them. Thanks.

  • daMonBrooks

    I downvote myself for getting a reply from a thinly veiled racist.

  • joshua

    I hope the bitch gets stabbed in jail

  • Gee

    I think your missing the point dumbshit…. It is your reference to a monkey is what is pissing people off. You are acting like an ignorant racist.

  • newstarshipsmell

    I upvoted you for the effort. You cannot actually up/down vote your own comments; Disqus’ code allows you to “cast” the vote, but it does not actually register, so when you refresh/return to the page/comment, your vote will be gone.

  • techsupp0rt

    I know some white people who look like apes, too. It’s not always a skin color thing, sometimes it’s a heavy sloping brow, slouched shoulders, and that dead look to the eye while they thoughtlessly smash things until they get their banana. She’s just as much ape as anyone.

  • Gee

    Yep my giving you the benefit of the doubt was quickly realized as a mistake

  • LeaveMeBe

    Do you also pick and choose which color of people you help? Your altruistic measures are somewhat diminished by your racist antics.

  • Gungadine

    No, I help them all equally. I volunteer for both summer and winter special Olympics. I’m not racist against those who cannot help it. I dont attack those who cannot defend themselves either mentally or physically. That’s what this woman did.. But I’m the bad-guy. You guys are awesome, LOL

  • LeaveMeBe

    No one is defending her. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Nah, you came to stir the shit bucket, and you managed quite nicely to do just that, yet when push comes to shove and you are called on your racist comments you back pedal and act like you merely called her an animal for her behavior. Buck up and own it now. You lose credibility when you back away with your hands up playing the “misunderstood me” part. Take responsibility for what you started and admit you’re a racist. Otherwise, you’re nothing but a troll.

  • Gungadine

    YUP!!

  • Gungadine

    What makes a racist ignorant It’s that I don’t know black people? I know plenty. My opinion has been formed by experience. You can watch the news with your rose colored glasses and not see the truth. It’s blacks like the woman in the story that fuel racism. Not me for identifying reality.

  • Gungadine

    I am a racist and with good reason to be so.

  • Gungadine

    Not back-pedaling at all. I know what I am and I’m comfortable with it. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Where have I back-pedaled? I wasn’t born a racist. That was forged over the years watching animals like this woman tear down everything that’s righteous in society. She’s a mindless, slimy, black pig and that’s the truth of the matter.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I watched religion do the same as what you claim a race has done. In fact, I challenge that religion has done far worse. Maybe your hate is just misguided?

  • newstarshipsmell

    Restricted oxygen supply to the brain? You have my deepest sympathies.

  • LeaveMeBe

    “I’m not racist against those who cannot help it.”

    This makes no sense. No one can help what their skin color is. So all I can garner by what you just said is you are a racist, but you are not racist against people who are physically or mentally disabled. So, if a paraplegic white guy in a wheel chair had punched the shit out of this greeter then you would be OK with it because he was physically disabled and he was white? Or just because he was in a wheelchair?

  • Gungadine

    I’m now an Athiest after being raised Catholic. I see that hypocrisy as well. More murder and atrocities have been done in the name of Christ than any other prophet. I don’t accept your challenge, because I agree with your sentiment.

  • Gungadine

    Thanks for your brilliant input…

  • newstarshipsmell

    You’re welcome, and thanks for yours. See how easy that is?

  • Gee

    It’s like talking to a door nob :o)

  • newstarshipsmell

    I’ve had more stimulating conversations with my door knob, thanks very much.

  • Gungadine

    It makes sense if you understand the “Black” mentality. I’m racist against “Ngrs” who think they can just act any way they want. And this story isn’t about a paraplegic white person is it? Don’t try to throw fantasy into this discussion to bolster your argument.

    It’s all right there. in the story, don’t invent things that didn’t happen

  • LeaveMeBe

    Finally. You admit you are a racist and own it. Now, let me make something clear. I don’t like you because I think your a cretin and an eglomaniac. I know nothing about you, really, but I do know you’re a racist and I don’t want to be associated with anyone like you. So, one more time, just to drive it home, I don’t like you because you’re a racist, not because you have a different opinion than me. I wouldn’t like you if we held the same opinion on anything else. And I feel really badly for the people that you volunteer with who have to deal with a phony like you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Well, then allow me state some opinion. Every race has a murderous past, no exceptions. Currently, every race has it’s low-life representatives. In your area/experience you may have one group with a larger than normal sample size. However, statistics don’t favor your generalization. Just considering the fact that China and India lead in population over the race you target should remove them from your vitriol. The numbers don’t add up. I would think you may have had a personal encounter with one individual that swayed your thinking. Since then, everything you see, read, think has been biased. People on here are getting on your case because the bias you exhibit is clear as day. The only one wearing colored glasses is you. Your bias is unfounded and unsupported. Try to remember there are far more crooked white guys in this world that can do far more damage than anyone else, they all wear ties while doing it.

  • Gee

    It is amazing that every comment you make is more ignorant then the last

  • LeaveMeBe

    I was talking about you, as a person, not the story. You stated you are racist except against physically and mentally disabled. I was just trying to figure out how that worked because it makes no sense. What I put to you was called a hypothetical situation, based on your own statements, to try and help me understand your way of thinking. There was no argument in any of this. But I could see where you would be defensive about the whole issue, and truth be told, I really do not want to understand you. Toodles.

  • Gungadine

    1 not looking to be associated with you either
    2. Not looking to be liked by you, don;t really care
    3. You’re right. You don’t know me.

    This whole “I can act completely against all that’s right in society because I’m black and I’m owed for slavery” thing is tiring. The elderly woman did nothing to deserve what happened to her. You guys are just enabling this behavior by considering ME to be the more offensive person. I’ve never attacked anyone, never stolen, never blamed society on my mistakes. I’ve worked in healthcare as well as the general business sector. You watch the news, see the stories. At what point in time are you going to say to yourself, the perpetrator was black “Figures”. Maybe you just don’t want to admit it. Who’s the phony?

  • Gungadine

    Why can’t I exhibit it? To hide it is being the real phony. How much looting goes on in China and India during natural disasters? NONE. But look at Katrina? Those savages took that as an opportunity to rape and pillage. To steal from the better man.. You’re using global population numbers to just generalize your defense. The American black race is lost and is continuing to degrade itself with stories just like this one. My eyes are wide open pal. Far more crooked white guys? Ask a Jamaican what their opinion is on the American blacks or even a north African. Don;t need to hear it all from me.

  • Rachel Ann

    There’s plenty of white people who have that mentality simply becoz they are white and have $$$. So its not a “black” mentality despite what you think. Its an entitlement mentality.

  • Gee

    I think you are on the wrong website… Now I see the problem you belong on David Duke or Tom Metzger’s web page. You would get so much support over there. The would love you long time.

  • Athena

    No, I don’t consider you to be the more offensive party. I find you to be ignorant, which I consider to be generally offensive.

    If you think this shit is driven by race, that is ignorance. Anyone who knows anything about criminal behavior knows it is driven primarily by socio-economics and culture or race is well secondary to that. If it was a racially driven issue, you’d see upper-class blacks still behaving like this, and lower-class whites not. But that’s clearly not the case.

    An ignorant person lets personal experience rule their beliefs. There’s an entire world of knowledge beyond the X years of your life and the Y people you’ve encountered.

  • Gee

    But that is the problem with your view of reality. It’s not really reality. It simply is your opinion which is just like assholes everybody has one. Like I said, No one here is impressed that you think you have a sack big enough to admit your a racist. All that really shows is your ignorance.

  • Gungadine

    This conversation is about the story…. You don;t want to understand, thats about right. You dont want to know the black on black or the black on white crime numbers vs white on black. You dont want to know those things because it’s a hard truth. It’s clarity at it’s best, not at all hypothetical. You want to enable these savages to continue to blame white society for the ills of their shattered race. Thanks for explaining what a hypothetical situation to me is.. LOL. And who says im defensive. The facts are the facts

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I’m not saying to hide it. What I’m saying is what you base your bias on is a fallacy. How many serial killers in American history have been white? How many for any other race? To blanket an entire race under one assumption is ignorant. Your eyes may be open but your mind has closed a long time ago. Also, there really is no white race or black race we keep lumping everyone together out of laziness. Let’s look at them for the groups they really are. Irish – NRA, Germans – nuff said, Russian – KGB, etc., Italians – Mafia, English – atrocities too numerous to name, America – KKK, rednecks, serial killers, politicians, religious leaders, etc. Now when talking about “blacks”, do you lump in Haitians, dark skinned Spanish decent, half-mixes, Tiger woods? Do you no longer root for sports teams because they have players from a race you clearly hate? The anger in your head has taken control of your life, you are now a slave to it. You no longer have a free will. Your hate controls every decision you make, every word you say, every action you take. I say a body filled with hate is worse than any color a skin can turn.

  • brandi

    sowwy! you gotta look at the parent comment guys!! dont start hating me too :(

  • brandi

    oh ok, i see, thats why everyone in discussion is arguing with you.. cause your such a stand up guy that has great morals and pays his taxes…. my mistake

  • Gungadine

    1.) Ignorant means uninformed. I’m informed and have dealt squarely with issues much like the story’s content.
    2.) Socio-economic factors are a wash to hide what’s really happening. Blacks blaming whites for slavery and everything else. We gave them freedom, they’ve had enough time to get their shit together.
    3.) The culture is the foundation of what I’m referring to. Their culture is is the cause of their hardship. When will they learn?
    4.) Society as a whole utilizes personal experience to formulate their opinions/beliefs. It’s how they vote, who they choose to trust, who they do business with, who they trust for their childrens education, etc. Reality check plz…..

    Your statement goes against urban sprawl, white flight and all the OTHER REAL things that have happened before my years and will continue to happen after. My opinion is not unique.. I’m just stating it while others fear to do so.. Or maybe they don;t want to admit it

  • Gungadine

    “Love you long time”? Asian racist slur if you ask me…

  • newstarshipsmell

    *makes popcorn*

  • Gungadine

    How’s it not reality? Look at the crime stats, look at all the information that’s out there. Un-biased information. Don;t just cherry-pick. Others here are arguing much better than you are, perhaps you should just head back to the kids table listen to the adults talk..

  • brandi

    i bet theres about 20 or more redneck sons of bitches up in alabama that have the same veiws as you. but act just as retarded as “apes” or “monkeys” minus the teeth

  • Gungadine

    I bet that I can leave my car unlocked on their street and nothing gets stolen…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Nah but your dog in the passenger seat will get raped.

  • Gungadine

    Fallacy?

    1.) There are black serial killers, women serial killers, etc. Serial killers are not a product of culture. Thats what’s being discussed here. The “Black way of life” is ruining society as a whole.

    2.) I’ll agree that my mind has been closed little by little over the years. That’s true

    3.) No, I’m not lumping other nationalities into this “Anti-African-American Rhetoric. I worked with Irish immigrants and Jamaicans for 3 years (Digging basements, for a developer, etc) The jamacan was the one who hated American blacks the most. HE was the one that said how lazy they were. Do nothing, earn nothing ask for everything, etc. Yes, at 19 years old that was a BIG surprise to me.

    4.) Sports teams: No I still watch sports, although the ghetto celebrations in the end-zone annoys me to no end.. And what Husbands, fathers and role-models they always turn out to be. Broke 2 years after leaving the NFL.. More loudmouth stupid Ghetto antics ruining a great sport….

    5.) I’m not THAT angry. I have to accept things as they are. Thats also a reality. Just more saddened that the culture isn’t being “checked” because of the fear that someone will be called a racist for having identified it as destructive and anti-society.

    6.) I still have free will, I can still choose who to associate with, who to work with. In actuality, I’ve been happier since my involvement with that culture has lessened over the years. (Upper-class suburb, higher paying job.) That White-flight I mentioned earlier.

    7.) I still see a black person from time to time. They pick-up my garbage on Wednesdays, not sure if it’s the same one.. They all look alike..

  • Gee

    That was purposeful for you ignorant ass.

  • Gungadine

    purposely racist against Asians…

  • Gee

    The fact that you categorize yourself as an adult or even being close to level of the “others” here is a joke. you make yourself look foolish enough!

  • Gungadine

    You have offered no real argument in any of your posts. They’re all the same thing, ignorant, etc. It’s all personal attacks from you. I’ve not attacked you once, called you stupid, etc. You have stated neither facts nor figures in any of your posts. No point in arguing with you while others here are doing a better job at defending their beliefs against mine. Again, the kids table has your name written all over it..

  • LeaveMeBe

    LOL! She’s not hating on you brandi, she just has a good grasp about how the general population really feels about her and is a bit (A LOT) self-centered. :P

  • brandi

    cause everyones too busy stealing your white sheets off your bed to go meet up with their kkk buddies… so….. you dont have teeth either?

  • Gungadine

    American blacks commit up to 39% more violent crimes against whites. There’s alot of great information right on the department of justices website.

  • brandi

    the passengers seat will most likely get raped too..

  • brandi

    you may be refering to some of his family members…

  • Gungadine

    Aw… you’re falling into the same category as Gee. I have a full set of pearly white teeth to go along with my dental plan, acquired from the company I choose to pursue my career with. If thinking I’m some back-country redneck makes this discussion easier for you to understand, by all means you cute kid..

  • Gungadine

    See that’s nonsense. You were the only one here giving me a run for my money and just threw it all away..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    1. White’s dominate the serial killer discussion, that’s why you don’t want to discuss it.

    2. Admission is a healthy step.

    3. Sounds like you let someone else’s racist view help shape your young impressionable mind.

    4. Jim McMahon is more responsible for flashy endzone displays than any race. Also, Ryan Leaf, Greg Skrepenak, Eric Andrew Naposki, Sam Hurd, Brett Farve are just a small sample of white NFL players that fit the very claim you make at the end of your sentence.

    5. In America we don’t “check” a culture for what some individuals do. Did all white guys get “checked” after the Oklahoma City bombings?

    6. The only white-flight that has a base in reality is the act chickens attempt.

    7. A garbage man is not a demeaning job. Waste management is one of the industries that is currently thriving in a weak economy. Why try to put that down? As for the “they all look alike” comment. I get told all the time that I look like various white people. I’ve heard Henry Cavil, Sugar ray, a couple of reality stars, and when I was younger the comparisons were even more numerous. I guess all us white people must look alike also? Or could it be that we are all human with small variations that are more noticeable to those who take the time to notice instead of those that judge us at a glance? I think I’ll go with the latter.

  • Gungadine

    All my family members are married with children, have careers and are home-owners. Would you like to try again?

  • Gungadine

    Also Brandi is a strippers name

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Don’t just side swipe the validity of the statement. Forcibly raping livestock is a predominately white activity. This dates back to Roman times, maybe even before then. It comes from a conquers mentality (again predominately white) that has been exhibited over both humans and the animal kingdom. If we are going to discuss the traits that have lead you to hate an entire race, we need to also discuss traits of your own race that you are clearly willing to overlook as a lesser atrocity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    At least I have a fighting chance with a violent crime. The “whites” leave you bankrupt, without a home, oppressed, assassinated, rape the livestock, set fire to your front yard, steal your land, and try cover up every single atrocity with propaganda in a form of mind control. I’ll take my chances with a violent crazy vs. those that attack from your blind side any day. While we are at it, how did hooking up with the white people work out for the American Indians?

  • Athena

    1.) You do not appear to be informed at all. Nearly every statement you make illustrates false logic and bias. If you truly have done the research and have chosen to ignore that which fails to suit your agenda, that’s even worse than ignorance.
    2.) No, socio-economic factors are the root. This much is not debatable. To what degree race and culture play a secondary role IS debatable… and it’s something you’re debating poorly.
    3.) See above.
    4.) Personal experience is only one factor playing into the multifaceted conclusions of a logical mind. Personal experience is juxtaposed with statistical information, the second-hand experiences of others, reason, etc. Your beliefs show no evidence of proper vetting.

    People should be afraid to state an opinion like yours. It’s archaic, easily debunked and, really, rather unfortunate, since you’re fairly articulate.

    “Black entitlement” explains violent crime amongst blacks no more accurately than “white entitlement” explains date rape among whites or “generation entitlement” explains child abuse. Quit being a one-trick pony. Unless you’re a troll, in which case, you’re doing a marvelous job.

  • Gungadine

    But… Aren’t we discussing a current affair? Not what the Romans, Khans or even the apostles did. I’m speaking 100% about the current state of the black culture and it’s impact on American society. Not who raped a chicken 1500-2500 years ago. Dont let those dummies arguments infiltrate your better one…

  • LeaveMeBe

    “I’ve not attacked you once, called you stupid, etc…”
    “…perhaps you should just head back to the kids table listen to the adults talk.”
    Really?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I bring up the past atrocities because they lead credence to every current argument about ANY race. I can only assume the “black culture” you keep referencing is the “hip-hop” culture that can be seen in today’s youth. However, i would argue that the “hip-hop” culture has been falsely attributed to the black community. Three white jews from brooklyn had more to do with propelling the hip-hop movement than any “gangsta”. The mentality of a “gangsta” SHOULD be attributed to the original mafias that made being a criminal glorified. The very heart of your argument has traces that can be lead back to early white guys whom acted as you would put it “like animals”. Prohibition found fathers & sons running afoul of law enforcement and placing violence at the top of their agendas. What this should tell you is that: Yes, environment and circumstance DO factor in to the discussion of how individuals act. You can’t base everything on the color of someone’s skin. Your skin color is not a gift, not a superpower, and it’s barely worth mentioning. Fear is the only reason you, as a human, even recognize that something is “different” from one person to the next.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Mark McGrath with dark hair! That’s who you reminded me of. Hahaha!

  • Gungadine

    1.) It’s irrelevant. I’m talking about basic crime stats. Those affect the general populace for more than the much smaller number of serial killer victims. I don;t mind discussing it at all, it’s just not relevant to what we’re currently discussing. This is a culture discussion.

    2.) I was never afraid of admitting anything…

    3.) At 19 I would agree. Not sure if it really had that big of an impact for me at that time, beyond the surprise. My opinion was formed later through other experiences had with that culture.

    4.) None of them should be performing that nonsense. Its why we have the illegal celebration penalty. Again, my opinions are not unique..

    5.) Ask the folks at Waco if they were checked, oh wait…. You can’t.. They’re all dead.

    6.) That was a stupid response.. Please look up what white-flight or urban sprawl

    7.) There’s not alot of people saying “all you whites look alike”

  • kimbev69

    and she called racial profiling…please…if the woman was black what would she have done..oh wait i know..show her receipt like everyone else

  • Gungadine

    The whites dont cause you to become bankrupt, only the person that mismanaged their finances become bankrupt. (I worked for a bankruptcy attorney for a few years in my 20′s) So I saw quite a bit of it. yes there are stupid whites as well.

    1.) I dont feel oppressed, please expand on that

    2.) Blacks assassinate blacks too. Murder is murder, again refer to the crime stats

    3.) Again with raping animals? maybe I need to research the occurrences of that before I comment since it seems to be a sticking point for you. Maybe I dont know how really common that is.

    4.) Setting fire to a yard was a KKk thing. A very Small minority of whites did that. yes it was big news because civil rights were a focus at the time.Blacks violent crime rates against whites far exceed those numbers (I would have to assume) I will have to look if you choose to call me out on it..

    5.) Propaganda You mean like gangster rap telling hoods to fuck the police? Propaganda goes ALL around. We’re inundated with it in almost every facet of our lives. It’s who we as a free society choose to listen to.

    6.) The Indians is an atrocity without defense. I have no defense of that act, as I have no defense for the various wars we have engaged in. Other nations we have interfered with, etc. But again, we are discussing current state of the black race. What would you do to help them. I’ve written them off..

  • Gungadine

    The criminal said she was racially profiled?

  • Gungadine

    Well, argue some facts…

  • LeaveMeBe

    Conversations. Yeah, right. *snickers*

  • Gungadine

    1.) My appearance is subject to you perception, please brief yourself on the current crime statistics.

    2.) It’s very debatable. When the very vocal/visible members of a culture are preaching hatred against whites, Sharpton, Malcolm x, Farrakhan, jessie jackson, thats an issue.

    3.) OJ was pretty well off at the time he killed Nicole. Much better off than the waiter he beheaded.

    4.) You just justified my argument, perhaps even better, HA thanks. The stats are out there.

    5.) “People should be afraid to state an opinion like yours” Wow did you just completely ignore the 1st amendment because if differed with your opinion. Articulate.. Thanks I guess my masters degree was worth it after all…

    6.) I never said black entitlement was a blanket cause/excuse for violent crime. There’s opportunity also. If one dog wants another dogs bone, he may have to bite him if the other dog won;t just give it to him.

  • kimbev69

    Yup

  • newstarshipsmell

    Oh man, 1st Amendment – in relation to a debate on a website…

    *eats popcorn*

  • newstarshipsmell

    Hahaha wow, really? Do you have a link for that? Did she say this at the time she was arrested, during the trial, or after her verdict/sentencing? This woman really needs to consider shutting her fucking mouth and hanging her head in shame instead of digging herself in deeper.

  • Gungadine

    Yes but they can be easily washed with the atrocities of the congo, etc. So why dilute the discussion with this?

    1.) The hip-hop culture is “falsely” attributed to the black race? Boy don’t tell Russel Simmons or Run DMC that, they might be insulted. The beastie boys just helped an already established musical genre cross into the mainstream. You’re thinking they were more important than they really were/are.

    2.) Ok, but were not in prohibition anymore. Why would the blacks choose those attributes to adopt. Why do they want to be Al Capone? What is logical about making a criminal your hero? You place too much on environment. Why then, are they not working to improve their environment? Why are they not cleaning up their streets as the Italians, Irish and every other nationality did with their neighborhoods? Why are they not trying to solve their problems. Because it’s not within their mentality. They don;t look up to that goal, and thats a culture issue.

  • Gungadine

    HAHA, I knew it!!!!

  • Athena

    I used to work in criminal justice. I lived it for awhile. Criminal justice is a passionate hobby of mine. I am far more familiar with crime statistics than you will likely ever be, including the methodology behind it and the factors that impact it. The statistics are only a part of the story. You’re clearly missing the rest.

    Black leaders preaching violence against white has nothing to do with this conversation unless you can prove that such speech actually affects the black crime rate in a quantifiable manner. You can’t though.

    OJ also has nothing to do with this. Rich people murder their spouses all the time. That’s one very specific crime. I don’t believe OJ ever punched a Walmart greeter in the face.

    Yes, the stats are out there. They correlates STONGLY with socio-economics… more strongly than race. Anyone who’s compared the two knows that.

    Did you really just reference the First Amendment, which protects people from being persecuted by the government for their expression? Did I just jail you for having an opinion? Did I fine you? Impose community service? The First Amendment has nothing to do with this conversation. And, you have a Master’s like I’m an astrophysicist. You don’t gotta lie to kick it. ;)

  • Athena

    If she said she was racially profiled, it was more than likely related to being asked for her receipt. Walmart has a selective receipt-checking policy, and I have no doubt that, in many parts of the country, this leads to more blacks getting checked than whites. It justifies nothing, but I doubt this woman’s concerns were completely unfounded.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    1. Vanilla Ice helped an already established genre, Beastie Boys owned it. Russel Simmons and especially Run DMC recognized this. You diminish their accomplishment.

    2. Why do young white kids want to be the Sopranos? Why do kids idolize barbarians? Why would anything criminal become a “fantasy” character for an impressionable mind? Because they are products of their environment.

    “Why then, are they not working to improve their environment? Why are they not cleaning up their streets as the Italians, Irish and every other nationality did with their neighborhoods? Why are they not trying to solve their problems.” – It’s not “their” environment or neighborhood. This is America, it’s OUR environment and neighborhood. We all share the blames of the failures in our society. Simply put, the ones that spend their time placing blame are just as guilty as those that commit the offense. Our time as humans would be better served for our race (homosapien) if we concentrated on making us harder to kill and a better all around quality of life, for everyone. The “problem solvers” do a lot of what you are doing, finger pointing. Their “solutions” never address the real problems. You have far more to fear from a heart attack then you do from a human attack. I would love to see the statistics showing how many people have died from McDonalds compared to say the black panthers.

  • Gungadine

    I would assume you do have a more intimate knowledge of criminality and it’s causes than perhaps I do. Although, the facts I’m referring to are seem to be pretty universal and certainly easily re-searchable. My argument about the black leaders preaching hate is made based on reverse-racism. Why can Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton preach hate and not be called racists? I have to accept that I’m a racist based on my opinions, why do they get a pass?

    Then why are inner-city crime rates amongst predominately black sectors soo much higher than equally depressed white rural sectors? Unless there’s ALOT of livestock raping going on as others here have suggested.

    My reference to the first amendment was regarding the statement that I should not be vocalizing my opinion. Just not a fan of censorship.

    My masters is in Network Engineering. You’re an astrophysicist?

  • newstarshipsmell

    Oh, I assumed it was over the receipt, I can’t think of anything else it could be. I asked when she raised the claim out of mild curiosity; the longer she waited to raise it and/or continued to claim it, the douchier she sounds.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    4. Your opinions are only unique in that you twist them to fit a racist agenda. What I pointed out is “showboating” knows no race.

    5. Seriously? Waco? One small compound of cult fanatics does not equate to an entire race getting “checked”.

    6. My response is stupid on purpose. The concept of “white-flight” is as equally stupid. It was based on fear. I don’t think anything “smart” has come from ideas based in fear. That’s why only a very small number of individuals buy into the concept.

    7. Maybe not in your limited experience. However, it is these types of broad generalizations that have you debating me now. The claim you make is baseless. I see it often. You look like Matt Damon/ Ben Afflek/ Howdy Doodie/ Mr. Rogers/ Santa/ Insert famous white guy here..is heard on city streets every day. For every “you look like Michael Jordan” there is a “you look like Mr. Clean.”

  • Gungadine

    I’m not going to argue who was better for hip-hop vanilla ice or the Beasty boys, its a ridiculous argument… won’t even number my response on this so let it die, cause I dont care who wanted to be the bigger Ngr.

    2.) I grew up with the Sopranos, well my mid 20′s. never wanted to be a gangster. Grew up in a Cleveland suburb and didnt see many others thinking that was more than just a show. It wasn’t a way of life, that we thought of. We certainly didn’t choose Thug-life, lol

    3.) That’s a very Socialistic view of the responsibilities of us as citizens. It’s not Americas job to cut my lawn, clean my windows, and beautify my environment. Your mistaken.. I’m responsible for my surroundings, not theirs.. I don’t say it’s the “man’s” fault that my windows need to be replaced, my roof is leaking, etc.

  • brandi

    takes one to know one honkey

  • brandi

    apparenty they are no class strippers seeing as how your very educated on stripper names

  • brandi

    didn’t see a reply on this one super douche!! gungadine, is a monkey’s name.. everyone knows that now.. oh no, he down voted me on the d’d.. what ever will i do??

  • brandi

    even if no one else likes you.. i do :) she protected me from sharpei, now if this gungadine guy could catch a hint…. sheez

  • brandi

    i know someone else that sounds like a doucher today too…

  • Gungadine

    You asked about the Oklahoma bombing and whether they were checked. So, waco was my response. There are Visible black people chastising the thug mentality, Bill Cosby comes to mind, and he was pilloried for it. It was quite the scandal.

    Just because you think its stupid, or disagree with it, doesn’t mean it isnt there or doesnt exist. You can’t just stick your head in the sand and expect others not to see the rest of your body.. White flight has affected major cities since before the civil rights movement. I appreciate that you dont agree with it. So, I can expect you be be renting 1/2 of a 2 family home on MLK drive? Probably not. I would think your surrounded by neighbors within you same economic class. And when the Blacks start moving in, I’ll bet your really excited by the loss of your property value because it fits with your Utopian mindset. Please man.. .

    So never mind the All blacks look alike etc, lets get back to the heart of the matter and that’s how this black culture has negatively (in my opinion) affected society as a whole. With regards to crime, violent crime, inner-city blight, lawlessness and the lack of adherence to all that the rest of society holds virtuous.

    It’;s pretty simple for me. I see a walmart greeter and I feel bad. Unless they’re just trying to stay busy, they are needing the money and not too happy having to check recipts at the door. They deserve every ounce of courtesy we as a society can offer. Not to be disrespected much less assaulted.

    And it’s come out now that this slimy pig said she was racially profiled. Come on man….

  • Gungadine

    You can’t even formulate a coherent sentence without misspellings and grammatical errors. And I didnt down-vote anyone..

  • Gungadine

    Huh? What are you trying to say?

  • kimbev69
  • Gungadine

    Oh let me guess, you’re of the dark persuasion. Well I guess I should just let you slaughter the English language because of slavery and all those terrible things. And yes I am a Honkey, thanks :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    1. Oppression happens to everyone. Can you partake in drugs without fear of criminal persecution? Can you have sex anywhere you like? Are you allowed to distill and manufacture moonshine? Are you free to marry another man and receive the same benefits from your government like other individuals? Are you free to make bombs and blow stuff up for fun without fear of persecution? None of these may be your particular cup of tea but that doesn’t mean you aren’t being oppressed from pursuing them.

    2. You fell into this one for me. We can agree on something and I’m glad we established this. Murder is murder, just as crime is crime. None of these concepts know race so it is silly to try to attribute them to only one race.

    3. Have you ever heard of the southern United States?

    4. The “black violent crime rates” are skewed. Here is where we can get into environment variables and inherited opportunity. If we are going to talk real numbers we need to bring up statistics about the average “white” child and their chances at avoiding a criminal life due to environment and opportunity provided to them vs. an average “black” child. Again, I will bring historical data into this. Early New York saw hundreds of “ghettos” dominated by “white” families. Crime was as rampant if not more so than today during this time. Why was this? Their environment and provided opportunity short changed their natural instincts. This is the same reason that non-violent offenders will often become violent offenders when placed behind prison bars. You become a product of your environment.

    5. Ok but let’s examine propaganda further. Can you guess which race of people was the first to start using propaganda?

    6. Having no defense of these acts shows there may be some “human” side to you left. You ask what would I do to help them? I would stop separating everyone into them and you. When you start seeing everyone as an US you will start seeing ways to fix us. Because we are humans, and if there is one thing humans can help, it’s humans.

  • come_and_see

    People kill and torture animals and get probation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Your argument about me being uncomfortable being surrounded by other races is already beat. I live in New Jersey. I thrive in one of the most racially diverse environments there is. I’m not running for the hills in a “white-flight” movement because fear does not enter my mind. MLK blvd – love the place. I dine in Harlem one minute then dance away the next minute in spanish Harlem. I fear no man for the color of their skin, as I said before, skin color is not a superpower. I have no fear of any man for that matter, only the weapons they wield. Weapons, I might add, that were invented by white men. I wonder if you factor that into any of your thinking. How many lives do you attribute to white men for having built the very thing that kills us?
    Strictly speaking of this story. I see it for what it is. One loon went off her rocker and assaulted an elderly individual because they are not in control of their emotions or actions. Not being in control or your emotions or actions is not something I can say one race is better at than any other. I’m not sure how you can conclude that either, especially when history speaks so loud.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    For someone so proud of their own race you are very quick to give away one of it’s shining accomplishments, but sure, let’s let that one go.
    2. What this should tell you is that a small suburb in Cleveland does not provide one with enough experience to make claims or broad generalizations for an entire populace. I only hope you can now apply this to the rest of your thinking.
    3. It’s not socialistic. It’s patriotic. Ask soldiers and other REAL Americans what they do if their neighbors are in need or peril. The United States has only gotten to where it’s at today because we have stood united. You seek a divided we fall approach. I don’t need to cut your lawn to achieve this. If you come out of your home and fall flat on your face, I can be the one to call for medical aid for you when you can’t do for yourself. No one with half a brain would call me a socialist for doing so. Is a soup kitchen socialist? If so, do you know how many Americans would have perished during the great depression without those damn socialist soup kitchens? The only reason we made it through the great depression as a nation is due to coming together as one to help each other through the toughest times imaginable. Your way of thinking cuts through the heart of the American Way. Racism as a concept has no place in America. That’s why the confederates fell, the North figured out how to be United.

  • Gungadine

    1.) I’ll agree with that statement in it’s entirety.

    2.) Second!

    3.) I Live north of Atlanta and yes, I’ve seen some folks who’d make a dentist quit..

    4.) I can see you’re argument, and we’re both getting closer to agreement on things. (WOW) took all day, LOL. What I do see are very involved fathers, coaching, driving kids to events, involved in every way. I live in an area that’s well.. let’s say upper middle class, not 1%, but there’s alot of us afraid of the Over 250K tax package. So you can get a sense of my environment. No, I haven’t been in or around a ghetto in probably 10 years. I agree that environment is critical. But there are many blacks who have instilled virtue in their children, assisted them in rising up and beyond the challenges of their environment. There are a few who cared enough. there’s just arent enough blacks that do care enough. Unwed mothers, absentee fathers and the welfare state.

    5.) Well, I know you’re asking me to say the Germans (white) Goebels (spelling?)

    I have to wrap up here and head home. I will say that it has been a pleasure debating you on this. I do have to acknowledge that not a single black person has engaged in this. With the exception of Brandi, who can’t formulate a coherent sentence.

    There’s quite a bit of good in me and this issue isnt something running my life. I do live in a wonderfully white and affluent area. My streets are clean, there’s no violence, theft, etc. Everyone has a college education and beautiful, adjusted kids. It’s a much better place to live than in a predominantly black area and the negatives that persist there generation after generation. It’s only getting worse for them. I’m not a bad guy, I just choose not to pity them. I pity the poor woman that was assaulted.

  • newstarshipsmell

    That criticism is always rich coming from someone whose own posts are riddled with misspellings and grammatical errors.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Bahzing!

  • Gungadine

    Thanks for coming to her defense. You’re a traitor to your own skin..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Every morning there’s a halo hangin from the corner of my girlfriend’s four post bed
    I know it’s not mine but I’ll see if I can use it for the weekend or a one-night stand… Now you will have that stuck in your head when you look at me. You’re welcome.

  • Gungadine

    I dont consider vanilla ice or the beasty-boys to be shining examples of white superiority. The only thing more disgusting as Nger is a white man trying to be one.
    Well if my experiences were limited to that of a Cleveland suburb, I would agree. Unfortunately my own travels/experiences and the daily news have shown me otherwise.
    Your patriotic theology is admirable. Unfortunately, there are MANY inner city blacks dont share that same sentiment.
    And no, WW2 drafting, women pushed into the workforce and the sale of Government war bonds had a lot to do with it.
    Personal responsibility is the American way. The blacks have shucked theirs off to the establishment. Then they expect to be taken care of.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I chose not to “attack” you because I don’t see you coming from a “kill what I fear” standpoint. I see you as someone that has lost their way. Fear, anger, hate lead you to evil. If nothing else, in life, when you want to group people together just stick with evil vs. good. You’ll find that both concepts know no color. I never hoped to change your opinion. When it comes to deeply held opinions in race, religion, politics, or sports our thoughts are steadfast and not easily swayed. My only hope was to show you that for as articulate, passionate, and willing to debate as you are for your side; there will always be someone on the other side you find on that same level. If this makes you reconsider any of this even just a little, that’s just a bonus to the debate. Consider yourself lucky, I usually just choose to beat up the racist elephant in the room.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    You were running along the intelligent path up until this post. Derogatory terms are the weapons of the unintelligent.
    You can’t assume to know what sentiment inner city blacks or any other group for that matter share. That’s like saying you know what goes on in any other person’s head at any given time.
    You can’t tout personal responsibility in this post while also championing how the Italian/Irish mobs looked after their neighborhoods. I don’t forget sentences that easily. You just have to face the fact that helping out your fellow man is as much a part of the American Way of life as a soldiers duty is to watch the back of his fellow soldier. Things like this go hand in hand.

  • newstarshipsmell

    How, pray tell, does pointing out your own laughable hypocrisy constitute a defense of brandi? I said nothing at all about her commentary, much less support her – which I wouldn’t, because I don’t agree with what she’s saying, despite sympathizing with the emotions behind her reactions to you.

    And dare I ask you whether you can actually make a remotely intelligent argument about why I am a “traitor to my own skin?” I haven’t even stated my race here – thanks for once again demonstrating that you base your “facts” on assumptions you make. I bet you’re never wrong, huh?

    See, this is why I didn’t even bother attempting to engage you in serious debate – you’re incapable of it, obviously, but please, do not comply with Heather’s command, and keep talking like you said you would. You’re making yourself a laughingstock with your comments and providing plenty of lulz to the rest of us. Carry on, brother.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Oh, that doesn’t say she herself made the claim, though, but rather “Some people associated with the incident” – which could be family members of hers, or simply employees/customers present at the scene, interpreting what happened. Not that I’m questioning that that was what prompted her to punch the old lady (the belief she was being unfairly stopped.) But your comment implied she was making the claim herself, to garner public sympathy/support. Which was what raised my hackles. Anyways, it sounds like her apology in court was phony and she’s pretty much remorseless about it – I pray that factors into her early release application. Probably not. I’ll have long since forgotten about it by then anyways.

  • ultracreep

    It blows my mind that someone could have a chip this big on their shoulder. Seriously…you have the receipt to prove you bought it, it’s not like you’re in trouble, just show the receipt and move on. Christmas Eve no less. I guess she wasn’t filled with any peace on earth and goodwill to men.

  • Gee

    Tarsh… Come join me at the kiddy table LMAO besides it’s more fun

  • Gee

    Remember me I am sitting at the kiddy…. @AthenaZ:disqus is reason I get to sit back and eat popcorn with Oreoface and enjoy the ride. It all looks good to me from back here at the kiddy table.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    You’re a traitor to your own skin because with all the beating you do, it could be considered abuse. Poor skin. See, I decide to go the other route and try to debate the fella instead of the usual. Then here I see you down-browing me for engaging in the debate.. I just can’t win. I feel your judging eyes, I see you seeing me. Looking down on me from your fancy new starship in the sky. I can smell it from here all new and leather interiored. I’m calling border patrol, that thing can’t be legal.

  • brandi

    i like this guy ^^^^^

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