Man Stabbed His Grandmother 111 Times, Disemboweled Her

What is it with grandsons killing their grandmas? Talk about textbook definition of helpless. Why is it so hard to get crazy as shit people the help they need before something like this happens? The mental health system seems to be as about as effective as CPS

before reagan, this man would have been institutionalized well before this could have happened. http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all

Sounds more like anger issues than mental illness. All these trips to the psych ward and no effective meds?? No supervision? Poor grandma. I hope it was a fairly quick end.
I doubt I could fully turn my back either… but I think the violence he exhibited would definitely give me pause when it came to spending the night – or living with me… or being alone with me.

Fuck.

We need Dexter to avenge his namesake, and stab this fuck 112 times. That would make a great episode.

I understand where you’re coming from since the listed evidence of his “craziness” was mostly assault on others. But the dude also swallowed rocks and poured scalding water down his own throat, which seems to indicate that something bigger is going on, and the violence or perceived anger is just a symptom. He also reported hearing voices, and who knows what other kinds of crazy shit this guy did that wasn’t reported because is wasn’t necessarily criminal?

He may also have some kind of anger problem, but how can you discount mental illness when the dude was diagnosed as schizophrenic, was hearing voices and ate rocks and scalding water?

Zibarro is right, this is more likely an anger issue or personality disorder than it is a mental disorder. I have a few friends and a stepfather who are diagnosed with schizophrenia. Not a single one of them has ever been violent in the past nor would they hurt a fly in their darkest moments. The worst things they do when they are “down” is hole up in their houses and refuse to come out. The majority of them do that because they are under the belief that strangers are breaking into their homes to steal their stuff from them. They spend their dark time searching for stuff they think is gone and making “intruder indicators”. Those are things that they can look at to see if a stranger was sneeking around without them knowing it, like taping a strand of their own hair across a door so they know whether or not somebody opened the door without them realizing it and dump baby powder on the window sills. When they aren’t having med issues or going through a dark period, they are outgoing, friendly, and go out of their way to help people who look like they need help. Every single schizophrenic I have known have one thing in common. They give out clear signals that they are sliding downhill weeks before they end up exiling themselves from the world.

It is the “normal” people who scare me the most. They have the ability to hide who they are behind lies and facades. I was engaged to a man who is considered “normal and intelligent”. We were together for five years, happy as can be. Then he asked me to marry him and I said yes. In his eyes, by wearing a diamond ring he “spent several thousand dollars for” meant I owed him my money, mind, body, and soul for it. He kept track of every single penny we had and if there was so much as a nickle unaccounted for, he’d scream at me for being a “selfish bitch”. I had to ask permission if i wanted to spend 50 cents for a can of soda at work. He talked me into selling my old car that needed work that cost more than what it was worth by buying a used car from a relative of his, then refused to put my name on the tile. He told me it was because it would be “confusing” while making payments and that he would put my name on it after the car was paid off. He never put my name on the title because it was one of his favorite ways to control what I did. If I had to go somewhere, like rush my cat to the vet when he plugged up and couldn’t urinate, he called the cops and reported my car stolen. I left after he tried to drag me with his car. It took two years after I told him I’d rather french-kiss a shit-eating dog than have his shadow touch mine for him to finally leave me alone. He was pounding and screaming on my apartment’s door at 3:00am. I called the cops and told them some guy who looked like he was on meth was trying to get in. They took him to the cop shop and drug-tested him, which came up clean, so they sent him to the mental hospital for a 72 hour hold and psyc evaluation. The evaluation showed no mental illnesses other than that he was a controlling narcissistic asshole. He had a slightly higher than average IQ too.

God AM Im so sorry. Thats horrible.

Yes, it’s a very sad situation, to see what a mental illness can do to someone is very scary. Not to mention the lives that it can ruin, like the cab driver. His wife said in court that he loved driving a cab but now he’s too afraid to ever drive one again.

people like this go in and out of the mental health system until they finally hurt someone bad enough other than themselves.

Then they go in and out of the PRISON mental health system which is utterly fucked because what it should be doing-forcing them to stay medicated all the time-is considered a ‘violation of their human rights’. Its only after they violate someone else that anything can be done-and by then of course its too late for people like Grandma.

Guess I should have qualified my statement with “just” mental illness. Seems like a whole lot more than “just” schizophrenia going on with him and it’s mind blowing that with his history he was still out walking the streets. Does a person really have to stab their grandmother 111 times to finally be considered a danger to themselves and (especially) others?? Good grief!
I also find it “odd” that the only time it seems he *was* admitted for an eval was when he hurt himself. I don’t find the “swallowing rocks” thing to qualify for crazy as much as stupid (like swallowing goldfish or the worm at the bottom of the Tequila bottle kind of stupid) – and wonder how he still had lips; tongue; and throat tissue left if he drank scalding water?? But he did show a propensity for violence towards *others* on more than one occasion that didn’t get him an eval.

I’m sorry… it’s bizarre. The whole thing is like an out of control Amtrak train speeding downhill until it’s finally stopped by an 84 year old woman who gave her life to derail it.

Well,
with hair like his, what do you expect? There’s no way to fit a
protective aluminum foil hat on top of his head to keep them dam voices
out. Personally, I keep an anvil
strapped to my head with a bungee cord to keep them MF’ing voices at bay.

Yep… One of the most damning arguments against the Libertarian ideal that privatization can always do better. In theory, perhaps, but as we’ve seen with mental health care, not necessarily.

I don’t know. Other scenarios are that the meds were not effective or he that he stopped taking them because he could not afford them or possible other scenarios that are not off the type of my head. The grand jury, judge and a possible jury must decide any contributing issues.

I don’t know what to say about this story. It makes me sad that Joyce Dexter who looked like a very sweet and nice old lady was forced to die at the hands of her mentally disturbed psycho grandson. But at the same time, something is wrong with that dude and I’m pretty sure that he doesn’t want something to be wrong with him so its hard for me to generate much hatred or even anger at the guy.

At the same time, he must be exterminated.

typically the medications for issues such as schizophrenia cause irreversible and extremely painful side effects. some people find benefit in the subduing effect of these medications, but often times people stop taking them because the side effects are absolutely horrific. could you continue to take a pill that makes you sick, gain or lose ridiculous amounts of weight, contort your muscles, drool and shuffle? could you deal with knowing that people could force these drugs on you? its terrifying.

I’m sorry you had to deal with a complete asshole. That being said, just because your experience with a handful of Schizophrenics has been relatively mild and non-violent, I can assure you that there are violent Schizophrenics, not due to anger problems or personality disorders (which are actually classified as mental illnesses). I have worked in inpatient psychiatric hospitals and as a psychologist for the prison system…Schizophrenia is an area of speciality and I adore working with them. Many of these individuals are not violent by nature, but when they are frightened or feel threatened (coupled with paranoid delusions and other psychosis), the outcome can be bloody. And yes, while most suffers of Schizophrenia may have some signs they are decompensating, some don’t. Those who are lucky enough to be around people who can spot it and seek appropriate help may never get to a violent point…it’s sounds like this poor guy did not have that type of support.