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Teen Mom Charged With Choking Her Newborn To DeathLakeland, FL — Police have charged 14-year-old Cassidy Goodson with first-degree murder after she gave birth to a full-term baby boy and then proceeded to choke him to death.

Three days after deputies had been called to Lakeland Regional Medical Center on a report of Cassidy being treated for a miscarriage, the Sheriff’s Office received a call from the girl’s mother after she made a gruesome discovery in her daughter’s room.

Teresa Goodson had been collecting dirty laundry when she smelled something bad coming from Cassidy’s room. Upon investigating, she found a shoebox with a dead baby inside. Homicide detectives arrived at the home and interviewed Cassidy, who showed little emotion while explaining why she a dead baby in her room rotting in a shoebox.

The ninth- grader at Kathleen High School told them that she had been hiding her pregnancy for months, and on the morning of Sept. 19, she went into labor in the bathroom. After using a pair of scissors to try and pry the baby out, she finally gave birth to a 9.5-pound, 20.4-inch baby boy.

Cassidy told the detectives that the baby was alive and still connected to her by the umbilical cord when she put her hands around the infant’s neck and squeezed until he was dead. Afterwards, Cassidy said she showered with the dead baby before putting him in a shoebox along with soiled clothing and towels.

After an autopsy determined the baby died from asphyxia from strangulation and blunt force trauma, Cassidy was arrested and charged with first-degree murder and aggravated child abuse.  During her initial hearing on Friday, Cassidy was ordered to remain in secure detention and was appointed an assistant public defender. Prosecutors said they would be considering charging her as an adult.

Cassidy may not be the only one in trouble. Police say they have a lead on who the father of Cassidy’s baby is and even hinted at charging some adults if they find that anyone helped Cassidy hide her pregnancy. The state Department of Children and Families has also opened their own investigation.

During his announcement of Cassidy’s arrest, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd reminded everyone that Cassidy is just a child. “Where was her support system?” he asked.

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  • CT

    This sort of story scares the shit out of me. My kids are still young and it makes me think — what the fuck I’m going to be dealing with by the time they become teenagers. When I was 14, I hadn’t even kissed a boy yet let alone fuck one. Damn it, this just makes me feel sick.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lorraine.nation.3 Lorraine Nation

    Someone would have loved to have had that baby boy. I had a 9 pound 6 ounces boy, I was huge so how was she able to hide the pregnancy?

  • http://www.facebook.com/lorraine.nation.3 Lorraine Nation

    My daughter had a baby at 17. She came to me right away and told me she was pregnant and although I wasn’t happy about it , I supported her and love my Grandson. Why are these kids scared to tell anyone?

  • Sam

    HOLY. SHIT.
    She hacked away at the babe with scissors AS IT WAS COMING OUT OF HER??? Wow. That is one hell of a broken girl to be able to do that.

  • Sam

    Also, she doesn’t from the picture look to be a particularly large girl. How was she able to hide a full-term pregnancy, let alone with a baby as big as 9 lbs 5? I’m 6’3” and my boys were 9lbs 8 and 9lbs 1 – but i looked like a whale waddling about on her back flippers.

  • slavesher

    If your child can “hide” a 9.5 pound pregnancy. Whether she is hiding away in her room or just never home, YOU ARE FAILING AS A PARENT!!!
    As a Mother of 2 daughters I have to ask: Wouldn’t you notice that she wasn’t using any pads or tampons??? Or if she was faking a period I highly doubt she would have been accurate for 8 months.
    How sad.

  • manicmona

    My daughter was 9lbs exactly at 37 weeks. I’m a heavy set woman and it was still obvious I was pregnant! No way a petite 14yo girl could hide that. Someone was in complete denial and turned the other cheek!

  • manicmona

    What scares me is that she showed little or no emotion when explaining what she had done to the baby….that is very disturbing!

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    I know exactly what I would do. Raise the child myself until my daughter graduates high school, college and then gets a job. I will not allow anything to get in the way of their future success including trying to raise a child when they are still children themselves.

    If my son gets a girl pregnant I will offer to raise the child while she attends college as well.

  • CT

    Amen

  • http://www.facebook.com/karrasmithhammonds Kelly Hammonds

    14 or not — there is something fundamentally going wrong with her and her family. I was 15 when I had my first child (I know I know, I wasn’t abused nor did I come from a terrible family, I had a hot boyfriend and it was the early 90s). I was afraid to tell my mom but we were going to counselling so she helped me tell her. I went to the doctor the entire time, had her in a hospital, and now 17 years later she is a senior in high school, already touring college campuses. Being young doesn’t always equate terrible mother. I wonder if she wasn’t pregnant by someone who would go to jail for having sex with her so they covered it up?

  • http://www.facebook.com/karrasmithhammonds Kelly Hammonds

    Being young, small, and thin — by 4 months you could tell I was pregnant. It’s even more pronounced in a young girl because it looks so out of place.

  • undercovervixen

    This article gives a little more information on this story: http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/sep/28/7/polk-girl-14-charged-in-strangulation-death-of-new-ar-516071/
    Cassidy is 5 feet 3 inches tall and weighs about 100 pounds.

  • http://www.facebook.com/juliepdavis08 Julie Davis

    WOW! 9.5 lbs.!! thats what my son weighed!!! the last two months, I could not fit in a booth at a restaurant!! How in the hell did her mother not know?!

  • http://www.facebook.com/HamsterNinjaofDOOM Alecia Hendricks

    When I found out I was pregnant 2 days before my 17th birthday the first thing I did was started crying and said I wanted my mom >.>

    I knew she’d be mad and disappointed but I don’t think hiding it and choking the baby to death ever crossed my mind.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HamsterNinjaofDOOM Alecia Hendricks

    I hope my kids are smart enough that it’s never an issue, but I’m not blind enough to think that won’t be dumb and mess up. Kids do dumb shit because they’re kids. I hope all my sons are gay >.<

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=613281220 Arwen Morrison

    From another article “She cited two home pregnancy tests that showed no positive result.
    Deputies said the mother allowed the girl to take the tests alone and in
    private to protect her privacy.” And some family members said that the mother was in denial about her child being pregnant.

    Ya think? What a dipshit.When my daughter was 17 I knew she was pregnant before she did. We stood behind her and supported whatever choice she made and ultimately, she had the most beautiful little girl who went to live with her forever family two days after birth. People need to wake up and stop being angry at their kids and be supportive. Does it suck when your kid gets pregnant? Yes. But being a supportive parent will equal a kid who doesnt kill her baby at birth.

  • LeaveMeBe

    When I first saw this story last week, my heart broke for this little girl. The reason she gave police for hiding her pregnancy and killing her baby was that she was afraid it would change her relationship with her parents. As far as I’m concerned, her parents bear a lot of responsibility in this. Judging from her picture, there is no way that girl could have hid a pregnancy with 9 1/2 pound baby. I am 5’10″ and when I was pregnant with my 9 1/2 pound son I looked like I had a basketball shoved under my shirt and I only gained 22 pounds and I had a lot of room to hide a baby in my torso. Her parents knew and if they didn’t, then they should be charged with child neglect for not paying any attention to her at all because that would have been the ONLY way they couldn’t know. This just makes me ill for so many reasons. *smh*

  • Eliza Berntsen

    I have read some true stories where women were in such denial of their pregnancy that somehow their bodies didn’t show as a normal pregnant body would, and in that way no-one around them really noticed them being pregnant either. So it is possible not to show.

  • Eliza Berntsen

    I haven’t given birth (mine’s c-section) but from what I’ve seen from those nasty real birth TV programmes that all channels seem to be showing, it has to be near impossible for someone in labour to bend down enough/ reach far enough to poke themselves with scissors.

  • Eliza Berntsen

    You know you’ve been here too long when you read an article and all you really want to know is what her bloody shoe size is if she was able to hide ALL THAT in a single shoe box.

  • Gee

    Oh my I couldn’t agree more. When I read 9 1/2 lb baby, there is no way she hid that. That is a big baby.

  • Sam

    Right? And wasn’t she scared of stabbing herself in the process? Not to mention the pain of pushing something that size out. Towards the end of the birth of my littlest i was about to *literally* squeeze more drugs out of the anaesthesist.

  • tinalib13

    This is sad on so many levels. I agree with many of you on here who are putting the majority of the responsibility on the parents. I would hope that if something like this happened, my child would have enough trust in me to tell me. Her parents certainly have let her down. And I cannot even imagine putting my hands around my child’s neck and choking him to death. Jesus, that makes me sick. She probably had to shut her emotions off, so she wouldn’t have a nervous breakdown.

  • manicmona

    My daughter got stuck and the student dr. twisted her head and caused her to have Erb’s Palsy. The way to avoid this is to actually break the babies collar bone. Bones heal, nerves don’t! Then I almost bled out. I can’t imagine what could have happened if I was alone!

  • OutOfBubbleGum

    “Prosecutors said they would be considering charging her as an adult.”

    This is the best we can do? College, law school, and working for the state, and still “considering charging.”

    Can’t we have a simple, “You Must Be This Tall to be Charged as an Adult” sign outside the court?

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    There are plenty of people who would KILL for a healthy baby boy (and we occasionally read about them here). Both the girl and the parents should be charged in this case. How someone could look at a helpless child to whom she had just given birth and beat and strangle it to death is beyond me. That girl needs serious mental help. And why such animosity to an innocent newborn child? Why not sneak it out of the house and to a hospital or fire department? And who fathered the baby? Might the violence of the newborn’s death be a reflection of trauma visited upon his young mother at his conception?

  • JGo555

    First off, THAT IS ONE BIG FUCKING LONG NECK that girl has.

  • JGo555

    Jeffrey the giraffe called, he wants his neck back.

  • JGo555

    Dead eyes. That is one empty soul inside that body.

  • Athena

    I don’t know. It’s possible that killing the baby was the thing that numbed her system, rather than a lack of emotion being the thing that led to the murder.

    I was 27 when I got pregnant and was scared as hell for awhile, despite having an incredibly positive and supporting husband and excited family and friends. I can’t imagine what that level of fear, combined with unsupportive people in my life, would have done to me as a 14-year-old.

    But, maybe that’s just me hoping for the best.

  • Athena

    I have a friend who became pregnant at 19. She was very athletic and, in fact, didn’t know she was pregnant until nearly 6 months along… When she went in to consult her doctor about birth control. She had been having light periods all along. Although she had a fairly large, healthy baby boy, she was pretty easily able to conceal the pregancy physically (although that wasn’t her intent; she just liked sweatshirts).

    It can happen…

  • Athena

    Yeah, we should. And it should be the same “height” we set for nearly everything else adult. 18. Had she not done what she did, she would likely be considered a victim. When a child is great, we don’t give them adult privileges early, so when a child is bad – even this bad – it makes no sense to give them adult punishments early.

  • lespacino

    Yeah, I can’t imagine being that oblivious, or intentionally ignorant, of everything going on in my daughter’s life. Every sexually-active 14 year-old I’ve encountered over the years has had an extremely shitty life. Given this kid’s actions, I’d say she did, too. While I don’t agree with the actions she took, I have to assume- given the circumstances- she was in an incredibly shitty environment, which didn’t lend itself to development of healthy, logical thinking/choices.

  • MyHovercraftIsFullofEels

    My younger sister at 16 was 6 months pregnant before anyone knew. We shared a bed and I had no idea, but i left for college around what I guess was the 4 month mark. But my step mother figured it out, even though my sister was sort of fat anyways.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Hear, hear. I vote for Athena.

  • Heather4877

    I agree. I suffered from severe depression at a particularly hard time in my life and I very rarely cried. My family eventually intervened, not due to me speaking up, but due to my lack of affect. It frightened my parents that I had a “blank look” in my eyes at pretty much all times. I knew I was profoundly depressed but I never realized how obvious it was in my demeanor. I was in my early 30s. I can’t imagine how something like this would manifest itself in a child of 14.

  • Athena

    Thanks. :) I can never understand how people disagree with such blatant logic.

  • Shar G’z

    this story is a gift to all of the cry babies down there who gave me shit for stating my opinion; that is ANY LITTLE GIRL THAT GIVES BIRTH THIS YOUNG SHOULD BE PSYCHOLOGICALLY EVALUATED FIRST BEFORE THE BABY IS HANDED OVER TO HER!!!!

  • Shar G’z

    get the fuck outta here, so sick of people feeling sorry for little sluts like this. really simple, dont want baby? don’t have sex until you’re ready for all the responsibilies its comes with…see how that works?

  • come_and_see

    Kids shouldn’t be having kids, period.

  • Shar G’z

    she gave birth to a 9.5 pound baby and no one knew she was pregnant?!!!!!

  • Athena

    And just when, pray tell, were they going to psychologically evaluate her? In her parents’ bathroom?

    Neonaticide (killing a child less than a month old) is overwhelmingly committed by single, teenage mothers who’ve concealed their pregnancies, so authorities aren’t aware to intervene. So, in effect, you’re punishing those who’ve done right by their child (inform adults of their pregnancy/received prenatal care) and you still won’t catch the vast majority of crimes like this girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HamsterNinjaofDOOM Alecia Hendricks

    Absolutely true, they shouldn’t be, but they will. Kids are stupid and do stupid things and there isn’t a fucking thing in the world that will change that. Parents need to focus on trying to teach their kids what to do and not do, but also make sure their kids know they can come to them if they fuck up.

  • newstarshipsmell

    And who are you to assume their commode doesn’t hold a degree in child psychology? Quit being prejudiced against toilets.

  • newstarshipsmell

    *waves*

  • newstarshipsmell

    Well we all remember how hard it was to pass that IQ Test that Disqus requires for registration…

  • newstarshipsmell

    Or use contraception, and cross your fingers.

  • Pipsmom06

    There is a book called “after” that talks about this type of situation. It is a novel, but based on real events, and I think the author is a psychologist. The girl they wrote about was like that too because she was in shock, but it was the shock of the birth itself that triggered the killing. It is such a sad situation, for everyone involved

  • Transducer

    Maybe start a sub site of this site? Teen Dreamin Deamon. The next three stories better feature adults going on multi-state meth fueled killing sprees or I’m calling Pedobear!!!

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    *waves back*

    Hey stud muffin!

  • MyHovercraftIsFullofEels

    I’ve been thinking about this story all day. I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out that the girls own father or close relative made that baby with her. It would explain the mother’s denial and girl’s hatred of the baby.

  • Jycorro

    Wow. Just fucking wow.

  • Transducer

    That’s what she said.

  • Transducer

    Protip: Salad tongs are a much better DIY baby extractor than scissors.

  • MyHovercraftIsFullofEels

    So are you saying that mandatory birth control needs to put on anyone under 18? I am wondering how your argument could be enforced. Prison time for getting pregnant under 18, for both boys and girls? Mind-control? Do we force the girls to get abortions? What happens to all the babies, if not? Make them have the babies, then give them to adoptive parents. How soon until the supply of adoptive parents runs out? Do we get the orphanage thing going again? I just want to be clear.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I feel so sorry for you. I cannot imagine what you must have been through to make you the way you are. This wasn’t just about a little girl not wanting a baby, although with YOURSELF taking up all of your vision, I can see how you missed it.

  • nowitzki41

    Wow way to overreact to what was said. No one said anything like that. Kids shouldn’t have kids. Very few success stories start with so I got pregnant in my teens, unless they are lucky few with massive help

  • newstarshipsmell

    Nah, all she said was “Ow” – when the scissors sliced up her deadweight container on the inside.

  • MyHovercraftIsFullofEels

    I didn’t state the problem. I only questioned what the proposed solution would be. If kids shouldn’t be having kids then there must be a fool proof way to prevent it, correct?

  • BEastDuo

    made that baby with her= rape* fixed it for you

  • MyHovercraftIsFullofEels

    Blame it on poor editing, my statement was a bit different the first couple rewrites. Thanks!

  • skowhegan_scott

    It is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all . doubt ,

  • http://www.facebook.com/pamelasusanrichardson Pamela Richardson-Magdaleno

    “After using a pair of scissors to try and pry the baby out” horrible…

  • JustBrowsingLife

    I did the same with my daughter. I noticed that she had changed the way she was walking and I told her I thought that she may be pregnant. Sure enough 7 months later we had a beautiful new grandaughter. I agree it sucks for the mother to have such a responsibility at such a tender age but if the family rallies around her and gives her unconditional love then the end result can be a positive and life affirming experience for all concerned. I love my granddaugter and am happy to report that my daughter is a very well adjusted mother.

  • JustBrowsingLife

    I call BS on the mother’s claim that she did not know her daughter was with child. She had enough suspicion to get the PTs. I think that she is playing a game of CYA for the authorities. I can’t say as I blame her based on the witch hunt that the authorities are conducting. Bad parenting yes, culpability no. Teenagers at 14, especially this one, know right from wrong when it is in regards to murder. This prosecution should be on the teenager. Why else would she hide the body?

  • Stormblast

    This is just awful……and she looks much younger than 14.

  • http://twitter.com/ladylycanthrope Amber

    It sickens me that a 14 year old, who is barely out of childhood, can unemotionally strangle to death a child that she carried for 9 months. She should have just had an abortion, I’m sure her parents would’ve helped her with any decision she decided to make but because of her inability to think rationally, she thought she could get away with murder. What a moron.

  • Stormblast

    I had just thought about that myself. Maybe she killed this baby to show her hatred towards the child rapist who fathered him. That’s a good point for the court to think about.

  • newstarshipsmell

    I bet she hates sports, too.

  • newstarshipsmell

    I heard The Dollar Store stocks a rather affordable store brand Vacuum Extraction attachment.

  • Wicked Smilee

    Wonder if the grandmother didn’t notice her own “boyfriend” impregnating her daughter, as well…?
    She seems oblivious enough,…

  • http://www.facebook.com/tinamariematthews Tina Matthews

    What kind of parents don’t know their child is pregnant? And seeing as it sounds like it came from a suspect source I would guess that she didn’t feel like she would be supported. I also guess that her problems run a lot deeper than this situation. Before calling a child a moron, you might want to ask yourself WHY she did what she did?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tinamariematthews Tina Matthews

    The body changes a LOT between 6 months and 9 though..

  • CT

    Come on, leave her alone. She gets more down votes then me and I need to know someone else here gets more than me for my fragile ego — and it sort of takes the pressure off of me to be such a fucking dickhead all of the time. She is giving me a run for my money, that one,

  • come_and_see

    No, it’s called using your brain. My parents had me and my sister ONLY when they were financially stable, were done with college and had a house when they were in their early 30′s.

    People who have kids when they’re young have them for reasons OTHER than wanting to raise a human to adulthood.

  • come_and_see

    Now that’s dedication.

  • Shar G’z

    no!!! in this case they shouldve been watching her little fast ass harder than they obvioulsy were!!!!!!!!!!!!! how the hell is your teen daughter with child for more than 2 months and you dont know?! FOH!!

  • Shar G’z

    awwww!!!!!!!!!! boo hooo, you stay crying and gettng all emotional for these stupid ass kids that make mistakes that should’ve been avoided. i feel sorry for YOU when you kids grow up to be drug dealers and teen whores because you, just like this girls mom, wont see the warning signs. you’ll be too busy on DD, crying over kids you dont know

  • Shar G’z

    …ok

  • Whatevn

    I know my post wont matter so much in opinions of her family but..

    I understand thsi girls fear. I was 17 when I was carrying a baby and I hid it all the way until the day I was giving birth. Did I mention is was my mothers birthday? 5.4pound Suprise!
    I wore lose clothing, and I didnt show. I was already heavy. And I guess when youre mother sees you everyday, they dont notice the weight gain.

    Mom wasnt happy but supportive when the time came. I can only imagine how scared a 14yo would be.

  • Transducer

    I don’t recommend sucking it out, unless you want to perform a DIY hysterectomy.

  • Zazen

    I know life’s full of disappointments, but not everyone’s life is as fucked up and empty as yours! Keep sounding all bitter and dried up, because you’re making me laugh.

  • CT

    There is an entire show on the Discovery channel I think based on not knowing you are pregnant so I believe that someone could hide it. I had feet that resembled watermelons and lost sight of my ankles after 6 months so there wasn’t much I could do to hide it – but everyone is different. Don’t let trolls making stupid comments make you believe that your comments will mean nothing.

  • MyHovercraftIsFullofEels

    Your response was a ridiculous as mine. Which was my point anyway.

    BTW child support isn’t given by the government. Are you saying that because I am single mother that I don’t deserve child support from my ex spouse? I met all the criteria you stated for “being ready to have kids” and I still ended up a single parent of two.

    I bet we all wish we could have had the perfect “Ozzie/Harriet, Leave it to Beaver (insert some other fake life tv show here), upbringing that you had. Must have been so awesome for you to have such involved caring parents, who put you and your needs first. Maybe you should teach a class or run for office. Get the word out on the “right way” to do things.

  • Zazen

    So…. you’re saying her parents who were very likely being neglectful and willfully ignorant should just STOP! Well yeah, I think that’s what everyone here is saying.

    Of course, no one else spouted crazy-talk about psych evaluations, so I especially enjoyed seeing Athena owning your face on that one. Keep it up, I’ve popped some popcorn especially for you.

  • newstarshipsmell

    LMB will correct me if I’m wrong (I’m probably wrong, I usually am) but I’m fairly certain her kids are all graduated from HS already (having safely navigated their teenaged years without becoming D’D stories.)

  • Zazen

    Wait, I thought she was here on D’D to keep tabs on some of the family–I know that’s why I am o.O

  • newstarshipsmell

    As others have pointed out, the mother’s cluelessness and the daughter’s savage actions against her unwanted child hint that there may have been some sort of abuse, possibly incestuous, that led to the pregnancy. So I’d hold off judging the kid too harshly.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Mornin’, Zaz.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Wait, are you talking about Shar or LMB? Because I was teasing LMB here.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Well, I’m no doctor. I just play one in the bedroom.

  • CT

    I love LMB in a lesbo way so I only think of her in glowing terms – I was talking about the other poster – the one who will make her parents your GF or something like that I recall.

  • CT

    I love you

  • come_and_see

    The difference between men and women is women can choose to get pregnant and they have to choice to make you a father even when you’re not ready. You always hear “deadbeat dad”, but never about women who get pregnant on purpose or prevent their dads from seeing their kids.

    Also, my life was far from perfect. My parents weren’t “there” — they thought raising a kid was just putting a house over their head and giving them food — and my sister got pregnant when she was 17 and got booted out of the house because she was raising Hell with everyone.

    My uncle was married 20 something years with my aunt and guess what he did? Got up and left with a 25 year old FAT GIRL (WTF?) when he had 4 kids (1 @ 19, 1 @ 20, 1 @ 5, and 1 @ 3). He’s a scum bag in my books.

  • Zazen

    Morning, tarsh =D

  • Zazen

    I’m glad someone does–I was feeling especially vulnerable and bitchy right there. Thanks for reinforcing my negative behavior, CT. I’ll be sure to keep it up now <3

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    HOLD UP: Someone stuck their greg in this trash bag?? *puke* That is just nasty.

    FUCK her support system!! She’s “just a child”? NO, she is just a cruel, disgusting human being that deserves to rot in jail for the rest of her worthless life. Her SON was JUST A CHILD! She’s a fucking teenage skank who was too much of a pussy to take responsibility for her irresponsible behavior. FUCK it was in Florida? SHe’ll get off with a slap on the wrist, they LOVE baby killers out there. No justice for that poor baby. I fucking hate this world. I’d give almost anything for 5 minutes with this little cunt. Pry that immature brain out of her head with a rusty pair of scissors then strangle her to death over a toilet, bang her head around, she how the fuck SHE likes it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    LOL yeah, blame her parents because SHE murdered her child. Makes sense. Don’t worry everyone, this is in Florida, they love baby killers. She’ll get off easy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    My heart broke for this “little girl’s” BABY that she KILLED. I hope the nasty little cunt gets beaten to death in jail.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    So if/when your kids get knocked up, you’ll take care of their mess for them, just because they’re so young?? Wow, and to think at 14 I actually took responsibility for my own actions. I must be a rarity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    YES she should be charged as an adult. She had sex like an adult, she got pregnant like an adult and she murdered her baby like an adult. She deserves to rot in prison, but probably won’t seeing as this occurred in Florida. Humanity is doomed.

  • Athena

    So, if she was working like an adult, taking care of younger siblings like an adult and managing the bills like an adult, would you favor giving her a driver’s license and a voter’s registration card?

    Kids can do lots of things adults can do. It doesn’t make them adults. The juvenile system was created for a very good reason.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    This little cunt murdered her own son maliciously. Let her rot. But all these “Oh poor girl, have mercy on her.” Yeah, have mercy on a young psychopath in the making and wipe her record clean when she turns 18 and let her roam the earth so she’s free to get knocked up and kill a kid again. Is this the type of trash you want around? MORE of this trash?? I can’t believe there’s more sympathy for the cold blooded murderer than there is for the truly INNOCENT victim.

  • Athena

    You didn’t answer the question.

    I don’t feel more sympathy for her than I do her victim. But the fact of the matter is that the victim is gone, now. She is still around and needs to be dealt with.

    You should read up on neonaticide. The vast majority of these young mothers who kill their newborns show no signs of psychopathy. The most likely scenario is that fear and a lack of support were the motivating factors in this murder, not blood lust like you suggest. That means, with counseling, support and removal from the bad environment, she is exceedingly unlikely do to something like this again.

    Let’s look at the reality of the situation. Even if charged as an adult, she’s not going to get life in prison. In fact, I’d wager she serves less than 10 years. I’d rather she be in a program that will make her less likely to re-offend (as are offered in juvenile facilities) rather than more likely to re-offend (which is the case for juveniles sentenced as adults – they tend to re-offend sooner and more often than those dealt with in juvenile court).

  • http://www.facebook.com/HamsterNinjaofDOOM Alecia Hendricks

    She’s accountable as well, but I can’t help thinking of a little girl panicking while delivering a baby alone with seemingly no support from anyone. I don’t think she should get off, what she did is fucked up and she needs to be punished for it, but damn.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HamsterNinjaofDOOM Alecia Hendricks

    Yes, because that’s what a good parent does, you don’t look at your child and tell them to deal with it when it’s something that big. Accidents happen, and no matter how pissed you are the well being of your child should come before your shitty you made your mess now lie in it approach.

    I can’t imagine cutting my kid off and leaving them to sink or swim when I can help them, if they’re out cracked out robbing people and refuse help, it would hurt but I would cut them off, but for this? You’re goddamn right I’ll be there for them, a kid thinking their parent will respond like you say they should is exactly what leads to a 14 year old giving birth alone and choking her baby to death.

    You can’t apply what you did and how you reacted to everyone else. You did it entirely alone at 14? No outside help at all? No support from the state or anyone? You worked and earned enough to pay all your bills and medical expenses completely and totally alone at 14?

  • http://www.facebook.com/HamsterNinjaofDOOM Alecia Hendricks

    That’s falling on deaf ears to that one if you read her other comments, I understand the rage at a murdered baby, but everything isn’t always black and white.

  • LeaveMeBe

    LOL! Probably. ;)

  • LeaveMeBe

    You don’t say? What colors do I glow? Muah! :)

  • newstarshipsmell

    You glow “blackish or reddish-brown in colour, without prominent markings.”

  • LeaveMeBe

    All of my kids are grown and are productive, responsible and law abiding members of society. I’d love to take credit for all of it, but the fact is they are just fucking awsome individuals. In fact, a couple of them defend your right to spout whatever you want when you want, so you’re welcome. This isn’t about my parenting or how my children turned out though, this is about having some compassion for fellow human beings, especially children. I spend a lot of my time working with children to help them avoid or rectify mistakes that have been made or have been shoved upon them due to adults in their lives neglecting them. In fact, I chose it as a career because I wanted to make a difference. I really do pity you but I’ll save my tears and effort for someone it might make a difference for, someone like this little girl.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Hey now! I love you too, and I loved you FIRST! :P

  • LeaveMeBe

    You are correct.

  • LeaveMeBe

    My heart broke for her baby, too. Fortunately, my heart is big enough to encompass the child that gave birth to a child also. Having the mind of a rational and well balanced adult helps me see beyond the immediate tragedy to the overall tragedy. It’s come with life experience and wisdom.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I didn’t have to take an IQ test. In fact, I was head-hunted to be a member on here. You had to go through a process?

  • ultracreep

    I had that same problem, but it was in my late teens. Horrible and sad things would be likely to make me bust out laughing at someone else’s misfortune. I never cried, I didn’t care if the world burned and I was the one lighting the fuse. It was really exceptionally deep depression. Now that I’m older I can’t even be around some of the things that were part of my life then (like certain songs) without feeling the horror of that blackness creeping up on me. I worried people back then and I worried myself. Gone unchecked who knows where I would be now.

  • newstarshipsmell

    I’ll try not to let it go to my head. Can’t make any promises.

  • ultracreep

    Lucky you. I’m on double secret probation around here!

  • LeaveMeBe

    How do they conduct the piss test?

  • Athena

    I’m not depressed; didn’t have a life of abuse… I’m just emotionally muted. “Stoic”, as I prefer to call it. If people judged my guilt or frame of mind on my appearance or emotional reaction (lack thereof, really), I’d be guilty as sin and sociopathic as fuck, when in reality, both are only occasionally true.

  • nowitzki41

    well said, so true. They do hand out rewards

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    If my child got pregnant and gave the baby up for adoption would you say the adoptive parents were “taking care of their mess”?

  • Heather4877

    Not to mention that kids respond to fear differently. I was called to the principal’s office at my kids’ school once. My son and daughter were BOTH in the office (can’t remember why. They hardly ever get into trouble now). The principal was especially upset by their “lack of remorse” over the situation. They were actually scared out of their wits and for some reason when my kids are scared they both get this weird look on their faces that really comes off as “I couldn’t care less”. They still do it to this day. It’s like a mask passes over their faces and their eyes start to droop a little bit more than normal. It really pisses some people off. I’ve talked to them about it but they can’t help it. Thankfully, my husband and I have learned to see it for what it is. Fear.

  • newstarshipsmell

    God, I hate stupidity like that. I had really low self-esteem growing up, and apparently as a result, would not make eye contact with adults when speaking to them. So whenever I was in trouble, they assumed that I was being dishonest about whatever had happened, since the other kid(s) generally had no problem looking the teacher straight in the eye and lying through their teeth.

  • ultracreep

    I’m no longer depressed, but I have a really dark sense of humor at pretty inappropriate times. Let’s hope I’m never called in for questioning where someone was strangled to death with a dildo. I’d be convicted in a second for my lack of remorse and inability to stop laughing until I passed out.

  • belongtotoday

    I do feel bad for Cassidy. She probably doesn’t truly understand the weight of what she’s done right now, which is perhaps why she looks slightly smug and uncaring in her photo. I think it’s going to take a long time for the weight and guilt of this to set in.

    In Florida minors can’t get abortions without parental notification and even if they could I doubt she had the $300-$500 that it costs, which is likely why she remained pregnancy when it’s fairly clear she didn’t want the baby. Unfortunately you can only hide the lie so long and most teens who hide it — and I’ve talked to quite a few who are — don’t give much thought to what to do with the baby once it’s born. It’s all just about the moment at hand and keeping the pregnancy hidden one more day. If they’re not willfully ignoring than it’s sometimes like the idea of the baby being born and being there is almost too much for them to wrap their heads around, perhaps because they’re dealing with so much constant stress and fear keeping the pregnancy hidden to deal with yet more about what to do months down the line with a baby. Then when the baby is born there’s a panic. Yes, they’ve had ten months to plan for it but it doesn’t matter how much time you have to do something if you don’t actually *do* it. Suddenly there’s a baby that can’t be quietly hidden under a sweatshirt or in a bedroom and of course the baby is spluttering and crying as newborn babies do and so they invariably end up strangling it because that immediately stops the noise that would reveal them.

    It’s just a snowball effect. One small and fairly harmless mistake in and of itself (not revealing a pregnancy while still pregnant) that becomes a huge problem as it snowballs until something like this happens. Adults murder other adults all the time to keep up a lie, is it really so hard to believe a teen would? Or could?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106642961 Alice Hennen

    This is why abortion needs to be made available, cheap and confidential. There would be less girls ruining their lives because they don’t know their options. Here in Australia, we have social health care and contraception and abortion are covered. Sex education is mandatory in all public schools, and we have safe haven laws (I think). Abortion is not an easy choice, sometimes the right choice, but always a woman’s choice.

  • ultracreep

    I just tell them to pour some Natty Light in the test cup. It’s basically the same.

  • brandi

    i agree with ALECIA, had her mother “known” or attempted to pay attention to her child, the girl would’ve acted differently about the situation. say maybe “hey mom! there’s a baby coming out of me.” if the mother knew she was pregnant, that wouldn’t be a surprise, nor would the girl have been having a baby in the bathroom. no one knew or cared to take the time to know. she needed support and her mother fell short. she did the wrong thing, no doubt, but if someone knew or was involved, there would’ve been other options for the girl, other than creating her own version of a full term abortion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beckygalindo84 Rebecca Lynn Galindo

    I read in another article that she was a softball player. im same height as her and am 5months pregnant and ucan tell i say ALOT OF ADULTS KNEW she was pregnant. fucking scissores??!!!! That is a very broken person was she trying to cut herself to get the baby out?? i also wonder do u think if baby was a girl she would have murdered her? ive been wondering that since i first read this artice and the whole i didnt want to dissapoint my parents BS well i think u still did u murdered the baby u hide not just had a baby when u were to young. i hope she gets the help she needs but i hope she is tried as an adult. i was sexually active at 14 i knew i could get pregnant and i damn well knew better then to murder it when i gave birth. No matter what the reason for why she did this it was still wrong and at 14 she is old enough to know this then she hides it in her room???WTF IS WRONG WITH TEENAGERS??

  • deadskinmask213

    Where is Maury when you need him?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    Its not child neglect for not saying anything about their daughter being pregnant. C’mon! She KILLED her BABY with forethought and malice. Period. This child should be tried as an adult. There were too many different options available to her upon delivery. Safe Child Havens??? Hospitals??? To quote Nancy Grace, had this been a BOY that did this, the attorneys would be all ready to prosecute as an adult. Get real. Stop having sympathy for a baby killer. Wish I lived in Fla. so I could be on the jury.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    she will prob be in nut house til age 18 then kept in solitary “for her own protection”…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    I agree!!!!!

  • Machoman

    Send her to the fucking electric chair. Shock tburn in hell for what you did they should hang you and die from chocking and stab your head with fucking scissors like you did to your kid you heartless bitch. Burn in hell

  • Machoman

    Fuck u I live in Florida we gas em out in the chamber

  • Machoman

    Your mind is still developing at 21 you are wrong she was and is immature

  • Machoman

    She most likely had an accomplice I have a PhD in criminology from osu

  • Machoman

    Fl sucks

  • Machoman

    She needs mental help use your head she is fucked in the head. If she gets pysch assistance she can heal

  • Machoman

    You are obviously stupid. Teens are immature and can make the rite decisions. They feel sorry after the fact

  • Machoman

    I know how you feel my son is 13 I caught him having sex with his gf. I walked in him fucking her cunt and ass. I was angry. I told him to use condoms and he did does I’m proud of him for making the right choicr

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106642961 Alice Hennen

    That’s what needs to change. Confidential, cheap or subsidised abortions, and subsidised contraception. Mandatory sex ed in all public schools.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106642961 Alice Hennen

    On a second glance, Australia doesn’t currently have safe haven laws. There are stories though on the news of babies being left at churches and hospitals, and the police will appeal to the public to find the mother. This should be changed, as the mother obviously didn’t want the baby but didn’t believe in abortion or her spouse left her and she couldn’t raise the baby alone.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Oh, yes, let’s quote Nancy Grace. We all know what a paragon of reason and justice she is. /sarcasm

  • LeaveMeBe

    It IS child neglect to ignore the fact that your 14 year old daughter is pregnant, and you can take that to the bank. They didn’t gewt her proper medical attention and if she had died then her parents probably would h ave been brought up on charges of neglect. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. And frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn what Nancy Grace would have said. That bitch is a bigger attention whore than Kim Kardashian. Don’t tell me to get real, I am very real and as I have stated, my actions match up with my words in my every day life. I’m entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours. And unless you are a psychologist or a psychiatrist who has interviewd this child, you don’t know what her state of mind was at the time she killed her baby. At least I have experience and training in dealing with adolescents and how their brains work to base my assumptions and opinions on. And just an FYI, this probably won’t go before a jury, it will be plead out, so no jury duty for you even if you were in Florida. FACT: This girl is a child and there is more to this than her killing her baby, and if you can’t see that then you being loose in public is scarier to me than she could ever be.

  • Gee

    Ok… this is the internet, I’ll play! I have a Ph.D. too :O)

  • DamagedGoods

    Well isn’t that precious?

  • DamagedGoods

    I have a BS….

  • LeaveMeBe

    This statement explains a lot. Sonofabitch, I just spit tea all over my computer. Fuck.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Thanks. I don’t get why people can’t see betond what this child did, not that it makes it less horrible, but there are deeper reasons it came to this point and she was failed in numerous ways by adults around her. I was starting feel like a broken record saying the same thing over and over. You rescued me and got this one. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    yup. That’s me…loose in public. A killer is a killer, is a killer. She needs to have consequences for her actions. Just because a person has crappy parents that don’t give a damn doesn’t mean you can do whatever and use that as an excuse. If she needs mental help, then by all means, get her the help she needs. FACT: She killed her baby. Actions=Consequence. I was a teen mom and I hid my pregnancy. Never ONCE thought of killing my baby. So put that in YOUR pipe and smoke it. Oh and have a great day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    Media whore she may be, but she does have a point.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    AMEN!!!!! Tell it!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    like poop…LOL I crack myself up! All kidding aside,everyone is entitled to their opinions..

  • LeaveMeBe

    So, you started an argument with me based on something you made up in your head? I never once said she didn’t deserve consequences. Why the fuck do you people (assumers) think that having empathy means absolution of everything else? Learn not only to read but to comprehend WTF you’re reading.

  • CT

    Stalking…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    What did I make up in my head? And I didn’t start an argument with you. I simply stated my opinion. And for the record, as far as you saying you never once said she didn’t deserve consequences, you’ve all but said “poor child, blame the parents” or did I imagine that? Why do people (with a degree) think they know everything and only their opinions matter? Talk about egos…. oh and I do read and comprehend quite well, just so you’re not confused.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    please don’t tell me you’re a CPS worker!!

  • LeaveMeBe

    Don’t put words in my mouth. You’re free to have an opinion, you just so happened to state it in response to mine, so I took it as you were aiming it at me and my opinion. If you don’t want to debate it and you easily get all butt-hurt, maybe you should state it independently next time instead of piggy-backing. Now, I’m done because I don’t like to be ugly to people, it doesn’t make me feel good. If you don’t like that about me, then carry on, I can take it but won’t engage you anymore. LMB, over and out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Tucker-Schrage/1137445665 Angela Tucker Schrage

    Oh, I am not hurt. You taking what I said as a personal attack is your problem. I haven’t singled you out- I have commented in response to other postings as well. Get over yourself. You’re just not that important.

  • Athena

    You told her to “get real”. If that’s not singling someone out, I’m not really sure what is.

    That aside, I did want to mention that a killer is NOT a killer is NOT a killer. That’s precisely why America has juvenile vs. adult courts and different degrees of murder. A serial killer is far different than the woman who kills her husband because of an affair, for example.

    I’m curious what your opinion is on the question I posed to others who support charging her as an adult: Do teens who work and pay bills and help care for their younger siblings deserve adult privileges? Should they get a voter registration card and the right to buy smokes?

  • Rachel Ann

    Don’t go spouting off Nasty Grace

  • newstarshipsmell

    Ah, well, thanks for taking my semi-clever jab and lowering it firmly into the gutter. To each their own, I guess.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Boys are biologically incapable of becoming pregnant, and consequently, do not run the associated risks of pregnancy, and, with the exception of possibly hypothetical, certainly rare cases, do not face the prospect of having to raise the baby themselves. So no, she doesn’t have a point. Unless that point is repeatedly demonstrating her willful ignorance.

  • belongtotoday

    Agreed. I’ve always been against mandatory parental notification for abortions. It’s great and dandy if you’re one of a few parent/teen combos who have a good relationship but for the many who’d sooner gnaw their arm off than talk to their parents or cannot look to their parent(s) for support, then you’re completely screwed. Your parent(s) can pretty much ruin your entire life or end it (pregnancy is still dangerous, especially as a teen) with whatever they decide, even if it’s against your own personal beliefs or desires.

  • xNikkiLynnx

    Have you ever been a pregnant teenager with parents who didn’t really notice you existed for the most part? No? Oh, ok well from experiencing it myself when I was 16, it was scary as fuck. I didn’t tell my parents until I was almost 6 months pregnant, and in the emergency room with life threatening complications. I obviously didn’t kill my son, but I did have other people to support me emotionally. I don’t know exactly what this girl was feeling, and I do think she needs to face the consequences, but I don’t think she should be tried as an adult.

  • DamagedGoods

    That makes three affirmed stalkers, I like to think of them as my overly-dedicated fanclub….

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/ Dakota Valkyrie

    Fourteen-year-old Cassidy Goodson, who authorities say secretly gave birth to a son and then strangled the newborn, will be prosecuted as an adult.

    A grand jury indicted the Lakeland girl on Thursday on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated child abuse.
    [...]

    If
    Cassidy Goodson had remained charged in the juvenile system, the
    maximum length of supervision she could be monitored would be until her
    22nd birthday.

    In Florida’s adult criminal justice system, the
    maximum penalty for first-degree murder is usually a mandatory life
    sentence or the death penalty.

    Goodson’s young age prevents her from facing the death penalty.

    In
    addition, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that it was
    unconstitutional for juveniles convicted of murder to receive mandatory
    life imprisonment without parole. The decision specifically addressed
    “mandatory” life sentences for juveniles but doesn’t appear to rule out
    such punishment on a case-by-case basis.
    [...]

    Polk County Sheriff Grady
    Judd has previously said the investigation continues, but it appears the
    baby’s father is a juvenile, meaning someone younger than 18.

    Full article: http://www.newschief.com/article/20121005/NEWS/210055015/1003/NEWS?Title=Teen-mom-to-be-tried-as-adult-in-baby-s-death

  • Athena

    Booooo. Thanks for the update, Dakota.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Thanks for the update. I’m not surprised this happened but my heart just broke even more.

  • tinalib13

    Thank you for the update. This sad case just got even sadder.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lara.robertson76 Lara Robertson

    just a child?? she was old enough to have sex, old enough to know she was pregnant and hide it and then attempt to deliver the baby with scissors, strangle the baby to death,shower with him then bury him in a shoebox under a pile of dirty laundry… Tired of this excuse “only a child” , times have changed and kids now days are exposed to more crap than we ever were growing up. She knew what she was doing was wrong PERIOD!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lara.robertson76 Lara Robertson

    I call BS!!! She was sexually active, she knew about and hid her pregnancy, tried to cut the baby out with scissors then after delivery while that child was looking for the loving touch of his mother she coldly choked the life out of him . She then bathed him and disposed of him. 14 isnt that young now days!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lara.robertson76 Lara Robertson

    Bullshit! At 14 I knew it was wrong to strangle a baby!! I knew it would cause death and I knew murder was a crime! I agree she was immature , but that didnt stop her from opening her legs and making big girl decisions!

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/ Dakota Valkyrie

    Mom: Teen didn’t know she was pregnant

    The mother of a 14-year-old girl charged with killing her newborn son said Wednesday neither she nor her daughter knew the girl was pregnant.

    “I know she had a period every month and she did not gain a lot of weight,” Teresa Goodson said.

    Donna Goodson, the girl’s paternal grandmother, said Cassidy Goodson told her after the baby’s death that, “If I knew I was pregnant, it would have been different.”
    [...]

    Read more: http://www.newschief.com/article/20121007/NEWS/210075044

  • newstarshipsmell

    Yet another example of why we need more mandatory sex ed, and waiting until teens are 15-16 to deliver it is probably foolish.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    I get being a young teen mom. I get the fear of telling your parents. I get feeling so alone in the world with this huge overwhelming problem. I get it. It’s to be expected.

    But the whole choking the baby thing is fuckin nuts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    *ALICIA

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    Just because I think a murderer should be punished as such, I’m irrational and ill-balanced? lmfao, great logic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    I’ve been taking care of myself since I was 5, paying bills since I was fucking 12. But nice try.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    It’s actually pretty simple, especially if she was already in a sitting position.

  • LeaveMeBe

    No, your irrational and ill-balanced because you called a little girl a cunt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.allan.52056 Chris Allan

    Oh God….please let this bitch burn in hell!!!!!!

  • brandi

    not you. the other ALECIA that repsonded..

  • http://www.facebook.com/cheshiredreams Andrea Pizzuto

    Why keep it in your room?? Obviously not sentimental value. There’s a slingblade joke in here somewhere..

  • http://www.facebook.com/Leashaness Alicia Lynee’

    *you’re

  • Steinholder

    The only point Nancy Grace has is being a complete beotch. That goes beyond bitch.

  • Mommabear

    Really? Tell that to Caylee Anthony.

  • Mommabear

    How did he fuck her cunt and ass simultaneously and how long were you watching? Oh right you’re from Florida. You probably taped him doing it never mind.

  • Mommabear

    With children like this, isn’t the future looking rosy for us all?

  • LeaveMeBe

    LOLOLOLOLOL! Yep. When all else fails and you have nothing better to say, resort to being a grammar Nazi. Yes, you are.

  • justme

    I got pregnant when i was 16. and my mother also noticed befire i knew

  • justme

    Im sorry but how did or could she have done that on her own i and everyone knows how labor feels and the mother never noticed is complete bs yes she should be charged as an adult she knew. exactly what she was doing at 14 you are well aware of your actions and what right from wrong is

  • http://www.facebook.com/kandice.rodriquez Kandice Rodriquez

    who caresifshe a child sheknew what she was doin when shewas having sex fuck her she killed a newborn baby hope she get fuck up in prison

  • http://www.facebook.com/kandice.rodriquez Kandice Rodriquez

    this brings tears to me that baby hope she gts hurt rotten in their you devil

  • ritarobinson7777@yahoo.com

    Wow I am a mother of a teenage girl there is noway she could be pregant with a nine pd child I would not know this girl appears to he of small frame. Come on people. But I do believe she fould of been alone giving birth and killed baby so she alone needs to stand trial for murder.any any other kids in that home need to be placed with foster care or family. Cuz this is pure crap

  • Heather_Habilatory

    No. Because I can tell you my 11 year old would know better, and have compassion NOT TO, choke a newborn to death.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    By the downvote, I’d say she thinks so.