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Boy Dies After Getting Rolled Up Inside Parking Lot Security GateBROOKLYN, NY — A young boy in Brooklyn died a horrible death on Sunday after he got rolled up into the security gate of an apartment complex.

The boy, 12-year-old Yakim McDaniels, was with two friends playing a game with the gate when the incident occurred. The object of the game is to jump on the gate as it rises and be the last one to jump off.

McDaniels won when he was unable to free his hand and was pulled up into the upper portion of the gate and crushed to death.

“He was screaming and screaming and he got caught up on the top of the gate. From his head to the back of his shoulders went under,” said a witness. “He was like rolled up at the top and he was shaking, like convulsing. He did that for five or 10 minutes and just stopped,” said another.

For 20 minutes McDaniels hung there like a macabre banner until firefighters were able to turn off the gate and attempt to extract McDaniels from the machine. Once the cover was removed, witnesses were greeted with a gruesome sight.

“The boy’s arms were above his head, wrapped up in the fence. His neck was cocked to one side. No blood, but no expression. He just looked lifeless hanging there.”

McDaniels had suffered severe head injuries and was pronounced dead at the hospital. Apparently, the kids in the area like playing this “dare” game on the gate and have been warned multiple times to stop.

“It’s a very dangerous situation. I always told the kids to stop playing there,” said one resident who stated she has complained about the gates to management. “They wouldn’t listen.”

The apartment complex had the electronic gate and other security measures installed after it was purchased by Omni New York, which is co-owned by former Mets member Mo Vaughn, in an attempt to keep residents safe from negative elements in the neighborhood.

But some people who live there say that these measures turned the complex into something akin to a maximum prison facility with nowhere for the kids to play; hence the kids in the area using the security gate as a lame ride.

The New York Post has reviewed surveillance footage that captured the accident along with a separate video that shows a security guard looking at a laptop instead of the 16 video feeds in front of him from 350 cameras from around the complex. He doesn’t become aware anything has happened until firefighters arrive.

The family feels that because the complex’s owners were notified of kids playing on the gate, they are partially to blame for McDaniels’ death. The other portion goes to the security guards on duty at the time who they say were playing cards instead of watching their monitors when McDaniels took a ride into the gate’s machinery.

They don’t mention what portion of the blame falls on McDaniels’ parents, the ones ultimately in charge of supervising him, but the family is planning on suing the security company and Omni New York.

“The security company has blood on its hands. The management company is equally culpable,” said Al Banks, the attorney hired by McDaniels’ family. He feels the the fences and gates put in place to protect residents and their property should be removed because they are aesthetically unpleasing to the eye. “As you walk into the apartment complex, you get the feeling you are walking into a maximum-security jail,” Banks said with a straight face.

I’d be interested in how this supposed lawsuit would play out, especially when multiple people had warned the kids repeatedly about playing on the gate, including one of the security guards who told reporters he had told McDaniels to stop messing with it the day before he died.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/HamsterNinjaofDOOM Alecia Hendricks

    That has to be a horrific way to go and I feel for his parents.

    There is no way that three days after my son dies in some fucked up way like this, that I’ll already have an attorney and be yelling lawsuit. I’d be blaming myself too damn much to think about it.

  • CT

    This is a horrible story.  This has had to be a horrible way for this child to die. 

    A security gate is placed for security reasons not to be pretty to the eye.  These kids knew they were not supposed to play on this gate – it was a game for them and a bad one at that.  Kids aren’t always smart enough to realize the dangers involved in doing what they do at times.  At that age, a lot of kids never consider that any of their actions could have result in their death.  Notice the wording “their actions”.   I am sorry for any family that loses a child but Mr. Banks needs to take a look at all sides of this and not just dollar signs. 

  • Dementedfae

    It could just be because I am in a foul mood but stupidity should be painful.  Yes it is a shame a child died but when they are told several times not to do the thing that killed them well then the only person(s) responsible was the child and his parents.
     

  • Andy P

    “They don’t mention what portion of the blame falls on McDaniels’ parents, the ones ultimately in charge of supervising him”

    Yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinking.  I mean it’s a shame this child was killed but he had been told repeatedly not to play on the gate, hell even the day before he was killed a security guard warned him no to.  I realize it takes a village and all, but the head of said village should be the mother and father teaching them and supervising them.  Where were they when this was going on?  I say a lawsuit is likely unwarranted and I hope they aren’t successful in profiteering on this when they too are partly (largely?) culpable as well. 

  • Jubilex

    Perhaps my asshole switch is off – but wtf is up with a gate that has the force to pull a kid up and crush him?  If your garage door doesn’t have the ability to reverse if it detects pressure – you are liable.

    If an elevator door doesn’t open when someone’s arm is in it – the owner/maintenance company for that elevator is liable.  I guess my point is – industrial equipment that has no safety overrides doesn’t belong in public areas where it could kill.  We as a society have made this point time and time again with other types of equipment.

    Lawnmowers are required to have handles that must be compressed in order to run the mower… thus (ideally) stopping the blades if it rolls away from you or you fall…  just another example of equipment that has been redesigned to make it safer.

    Gates already have the technology to reverse if there is no much torque (meaning something is caught on the gate) – the fact that this one didn’t means that someone spent less and cut corners and made it much less safe.

    Another point… if the gate had the circuit to stop if it detected hanger-ons… then the kids wouldn’t have gotten a free ride and thus made it a game to play… it would have been boring and they would lose interest and move on.

    So… yeah the kid was warned – but really there isn’t any reason a gate in an apartment building should be a ‘gate of death’ – and I wouldn’t expect it to be.  What exactly would happen if someone was leaning on the thing (for whatever reason) and a coat/watch whatever got caught in the thing… same result most likely… and that’s just… wrong (to me).

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    I am generally well on the side of paying for your actions, until we’re talking about a kid. I think we’ve all done equally stupid and dangerous things that we didn’t realize the consequences of as children and teens. 
    I can’t really blame anyone for this without knowing how the parents disciplined him for playing on the gate in the past. As I’m sure any parent on here can tell you, you can tell your kid something until you are blue in the face and they will still do just as they please in some cases especially when it comes to hanging out with friends. Twelve isn’t an age where the parents need to hover over the boy like a helicopter. 
    What I take umbrage with is the parents immediately seeing dollar signs and suing everyone and their goldfish for what is in the end a tragic accident of youthful disregard for consequences. 

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    While the parents should be busy grieving over their child’s foolish antics and not looking for a payday, those security guards should be held accountable for not watching the monitors or getting help for the child themselves.  The parents need to question what they were doing while the children were playing on the gate.  If the parents had been told that their child was playing on the gate, then it was partially up to them to enforce not playing on the gate.

    I hope that this means that no other children will play on the damned gate now.

  • oOXColdmoonXOo

     I agree with you on that, there are kids around, they know they play on it, it seems like more could have been done. It just really bothers me that his parents are three days out from losing their son in a pretty terrible way, and already have an attorney to start the suing.

    It just seems really cold to me, I can’t say for sure ow I would react, but I doubt I would be doing much more than sitting in a dark room beating myself to death with could have would have should haves.

  • OutOfBubbleGum

    “The object of the game is to jump on the gate as it rises and be the last one to jump off.”

    Who needs expensive court rooms when the lawyers can settle the case in this manner.

  • kimbev69

    I would think there was a safety measure to ensure if something touches a sensor the gate would stop, but then again we are talking bout ny where elevators kill people all the time

  • kimbev69

    If u ask me the lazy security guard was teaching him a lesson but prob didnt think it would kill him, how does he not notice thats bullshit

  • DamagedGoods


    “The security company has blood on its hands. The management company is equally culpable,” said Al Banks, the attorney hired by McDaniels’ family. He feels the the fences and gates put in place to protect residents and their property should be removed because they are aesthetically unpleasing to the eye. “As you walk into the apartment complex, you get the feeling you are walking into a maximum-security jail,” Banks said with a straight face.”

    Wait.

    So… their primary reason for wanting the gate removed is not the safety issues and the fact that their uncontrolled died and absolutely gruesome and painful death, but because it’s an eyesore?

    WTF.

  • Sam

    “For 20 minutes McDaniels hung there like a macabre banner until firefighters were able to turn off the gate and attempt to extract McDaniels from the machine.”
    Wait… does that mean the machinery was still attempting to roll up to the top for those twenty minutes? Trying to ‘eat’ the rest of Yakim??
    What a horrible way to go, and how traumatizing for the friends to watch the life get squeezed out of their friend and nothing they could do about it. Were they being stupid and typical kids believing they’re invincible, yes – but i don’t think that deserves death. RIP Yakim.

  • Sam

    Wow, well your asshole switch may be off but you’re obviously tuned into my brain – couldn’t agree more or have put it better myself.

  • sugarpie

    Parents + Security Guard = Blame.  At 12 years old, this kid was old enough to take the warnings of the other residents to heart.  No warnings from the parents?   Very sad…

  • JGo555

    Darwin Award Candidate @OutOfBubbleGum:disqus 

  • JGo555

    “Liked” because Goldfish shouldn’t be sued nor fried.

  • JGo555

    This kid never said a word but sure as f*ck he made sure the other kids never play with that gate anymore.

    PSA: ACCOMPLISHED!

  • takurospirit

    I’ve collapsed into complete long-term uselessness over far less. I’d probably slowly die of dehydration and/or starvation as I was an immovable lump gradually being covered in my own waste because I’d probably give up on everything. Too much trouble to even get up and slit my wrists.

    But everyone is different! My mom went back to work a day after her dad’s funeral. Everyone thought she was some sort of heartless bitch, but she copes by being busy.

  • http://twitter.com/tinalib13 Tina Wech

    Ugh!  What an awful way to go.  I think it’s disgusting that his parent are suing.  It certainly isn’t going to bring their child back. 

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    Yes, the gate should’ve, could’ve, would’ve, but it didn’t. I agree that there should have been something to stop the gate from crushing someone to death, but it’s not like he wasn’t warned numerous times and still decided that a machine was a good toy. I tend to hate the idea of erring on the side of stupidity because I don’t want to live in a society that needs to be babysat 24-7. 
    When talking about an elevator I have a valid reason to expect a reasonable amount of safety and maintenance, not so much when I sit on a gate and use it as a ride. 
    He pushed some boundaries and lost that gamble. I feel bad, I always do when a kid loses that particular chess game with death, but I don’t feel comfortable throwing blame around.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I imagine if I was a bystander who witnessed this I would have to go get therapy. Great write up Morbid, you described it so well I almost felt like I was there watching it. Excuse me for a moment…

    *retching*

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    One of the boys first jobs was a gate security guard and it’s a pretty shit job. You work all sorts of hours, deal with tons of assholes, and get paid very little. They higher college students, retirees, and other people who are cheap to employ that’s why he was more interested in his Laptop. We’re not talking an ex-military or ex-police trained people like a real security firm like Wackenhut.

  • http://truecrimereport.com iLLusionS

     Exactly Snark, 12 years old is 12 years old…no amount of talking is going to make the point like this gate made the point.

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    Now JGo, play nice. :)

  • http://truecrimereport.com iLLusionS

    So yes, so many have already said it best this morning I will just kind of throw my feelings in the mix…I agree number one that this is very very sad and horrific thing to have happened to a child. AND in front of his friends…. and for his families sake.
    But I think that instead of seeing dollar signs, and all these things that will never bring this child back..They should work on having accidents like this not happening by informing the neighborhood, informing the companies that make such doors or stuff like it….
    Yeah this kids parents probably did tell him not to do it…But he was 12. Sometimes it doesn’t matter if his mom and dad told him, grandparents told him, Security told him….He is 12 and it just doesn’t always sink in…They are at the age where he is starting to feel invincible anyway, and up until the very second his hand got stuck…NEVER probably imagined the gate would grab him, suck him in, and crush his head…
    There should have been something to stop this, and prevent it before anything more serious than a broken hand could have happened…Something more than the “security” that was watching those cameras like a hawk….*insert eyeroll*

  • tkaz

    This boys death will become the urban legend of the neighborhood. And the kids that live there now have learned the lesson about the gates.
    I don’t even know why the gates were manufactured in this day & age without a safety mechanism? Except, I could see criminals triggering the safety so they could get in.
    Very sad situation.

  • ViewerBeware

    Why is it that the picture of some young kid throwing up a gang sign doesn’t exactly trigger empathy in me.

    Sure this kid was young and no, he probably didn’t deserve to die this way but let’s call a spade a spade here….one way or another this kid was going to wind up as coroner job security. No supervision, no respect for authority, the aforementioned gang signs…I doubt this kid was an angel.

    As for the family they’re just trying to milk the cash cow. Yet another opportunistic group of parasites gracing the world. Hopefully they don’t receive a single dime out of this.

  • Califboy

     I’m right there with ya, fucking sick and crazy all at the same time, movie shit right there, Freddy Krueger.

  • Califboy

     Reading the news this morning, you get all the good ones in Florida,
    White supremacists accused of planning for ‘race war’ in Florida
    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/08/11601679-white-supremacists-accused-of-planning-for-race-war-in-florida?lite

  • kimbev69

    Lmao my sons dad was a doorman in ny i know exactly what u mean

  • kimbev69

    No in fact i would sue the parents for the trauma they put the fd through

  • Califboy

    Morbid, the case will settle out of court I bet.When I worked at a law firm I settled a case where a women was hit while jaywalking. You put a value on the case and prorate what percentage each party is at fault (negotiated) and they pay their share. There was a $100,000  insurance policy for the car that hit my client, we agreed they were 66% at fault and my client was 34% at fault, they paid $66,000 to her for her medical bills, pain and suffering.

  • Califboy

     A thief or rapist would only have to hide in the bushes and once a car drove into the garage step out and “hold” the gate in you theory. The gate is designed to protect the residents of the building and i guess responding police reports will bear this out. Then the rape victim could sue because the security gate failed to protect her.
    In a perfect world your theory sounds OK. But this family should have instructed their kid not to mess with the gate, don’t hang off the 6th floor, don’t play on the roof etc.
    I have seen cases where locks at large apartment and condo associations are rotated each time a tenant moves out and the “reuse” of locks allowed a previous tenant to come back and try his key and get in and rape a tenant at a later date. So who’s fault would this be?

  • Califboy

     Contrary to most beliefs, gates and fences are meant to keep people in, versus keep them out.

  • Califboy

    I agree and here is another example –
    Teen Decapitated by Batman Ride at Georgia Six Flags
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,373341,00.html#ixzz1uO4gVOpm

  • http://www.facebook.com/brittney.east Brittney East

    It is a terrible shame to lose a child, that boy died in an awful way that I wouldn’t wish on an enemy.  Maybe there should have been a safety mechanism?

    But, does anyone else note that the kid is flashing a gang sign in his picture?

  • Califboy

     swallowed whole I believe?

  • kniption

    There are many options available in this particular brand of gate.  The Protector 2000 gate systems are equipped with state-of-the-art sensors.  The Darwinator 1000 series – from which this gate was selected – sadly, is not.

    Seriously, my reaction in many of these cases is “why isn’t there a sensor for this or that.”  Then I start thinking of how it would be implemented.  What you find is that the sensor that keeps a kid from getting crushed is also triggered by bird crap and rain and humidity and gang colors and…  What you end up with is a gate that never works because of the safety features.

    The best solution – is a sign that says “Stay the Fuck Off or You will be Crushed.”  A crotchety old neighbor who gets issued a sniper-quality tranquilizer dart gun wouldn’t hurt either, though…

  • osteenq

    Just send his parents his Darwin award and be done with it.

  • kniption

    That is… until they discover in secret files hidden in the mother’s home that she had that child 12 years ago with this specific incident in mind…  

    You don’t think those Rice Krispy Treats taped themselves to that gate, do you?!?

  • http://www.facebook.com/clayton.knudsen1 Clayton Knudsen

    As I had stated in an earlier post, NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS ANYMORE. Suppose they remove the gates and their precious cars get broken into or stolen, then they sue for not being secure.

  • JohnQknowitall

    But some people who live there say that these measures turned the complex into something akin to a maximum prison facility with nowhere for the kids to play; hence the kids in the area using the security gate as a lame ride.

    The building owners and the management company put the gates up to protect the community residents who were probably unhappy with local crime spilling into the building. This was probably at least partially at the request of the residents.

    The community had been warned of the dangers of playing on the gate. Some of the residents say there was no place for the children to play.

    Solutions from someone with no children: 1. Move to a place that has playground facilities. 2. Take responsibility for your children’s actions and wellbeing.

  • http://twitter.com/tinalib13 Tina Wech

    No, no not Freddy Krueger.  Scream.  Remember when the girl got stuck in the garage door?  First thing I thought of.

  • http://twitter.com/tinalib13 Tina Wech

    I know I thought the link was for the actual video. I was kinda afraid at first, but I couldn’t stop myself from clicking.  It was like a train wreck or something…

  • Apachee

    Just like when I was his age remember the plastic jelly bean shoes well I cut the back part off the shoes and Downtown St Louis Mo me and my friends jumped on to the train to get to the other side because we did not want to wait on the train to stop would’nt you know one of my shoes fell off and I put my foot there to pick it up real fast I could have lost foot, leg  or my life I Thank-God never ever did that again.

  • OutOfBubbleGum

    A fine mesh screen or lots of grease will stop this from happening again; hopefully, before we run out of stupid kids.

  • abbys_mom

    I kind of thought that too, but how long did it really take for the security gate to go from bottom to top? Seconds? A minute, maybe? My husband worked security at a mall overnight, and you simply cannot just stare at a screen for 8 hours….that’s really actually more likely to tune a guard out and make him fall asleep or miss something important than a small diversion like a book or laptop. They have to leave to use the bathroom, and have some sort of diversion, as long as they are frequently monitoring the screens. I don’t really think a security guard can be blamed for the seconds or minute it took for this to happen, that he happened to be looking at something else, turned around from the screen, or gone to the restroom. The responsibility rests with the parents and the kid, sad as it is. Does this gate go up at night? If so, what were the kids doing out late at night playing? And Califboy makes a good point…if the gate could be stopped by touch, it would be useless.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=534372011 Georgia Meyer

    Damn, that is sad. However, why the hell would anyone think fucking with a huge gate seemed like a grand idea. They will sue and get tons of money, not because they deserve it but because our legal system is fucked and no one ever wants to take responsibility for their own child’s actions. I hope the kids who actually witnessed this get a shit ton of therapy, they are going to need it. Damn.

  • http://twitter.com/tinalib13 Tina Wech

    That’s just not possible.  Breeders keep popping them out you know.

  • Chinchillazilla

    I have told my family that if I die doing something stupid and dangerous, they are not allowed to sue. I’d like to have people forget my stupidity as soon as possible, not keep it in the news.

  • newstarshipsmell

    “The boy’s arms were above his head, wrapped up in the fence. His neck was cocked to one side. No blood, but no expression. He just looked lifeless hanging there.”

    Was he still flashing gang signs?

  • Athena

    I actually don’t mind that the parents are suing.  Many of you folks are talking about it like the activites, suing and grieving, are mutually exclusive.  If my kid died due to what I perceived as someone else’s negligence, and I had an avenue by which I could get at them to make them suffer, I can’t say I’d wait until after whatever other people have deemed an appropriate grieving period to be before taking action.  But I’m vengeful like that, I guess.

    We don’t know what these parents did to try to prevent their son in playing this dangerous game.  What we do know, however, is that the gate was inherently dangerous and the property owners were made aware of this fact (or should have been; if their employees did not inform them, that’s still their fault). 

    It’s a matter of principle; if I’m a property owner, it’s my responsibility to take steps to prevent being held liable for something like this.  If I’ve got some dangerous ass rope swing that is attracting the neighborhood kids, simply telling them to stop playing on it isn’t enough to absolve me of liability.  Even if I talk to their parents, it’s not good enough.  I need to repair the swing, take it down or secure my property so the kids can’t get in.  The property owner in this situation failed to take sufficient procautions, so they assume liability.   

  • http://twitter.com/tinalib13 Tina Wech

    Ohhhh, you’re so bad!  I like it! :-)

  • http://twitter.com/tinalib13 Tina Wech

    Damn your cool-headed logic Athena! I agree with you.

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    That’s not a ‘gang’ sign…It’s a city rep…

    That’s the Eastside sign…

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    I see that many people have made the ‘gang’ sign reference in regards to the young man in the above pic…

    I want to inform you that the sign he’s flashing is a side rep…

    He is repping (representing) the Eastside…

    Why is it that EVERYTIME someone black holds up a finger or two, it’s a ‘gang’ sign? C’mon! I mean I could do the same closed minded thinking also…

    What set were the Beatles representing with their ‘peace’ signs?

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    Honest and curious suburban white girl questions… What exactly is a side rep? Is he is flashing a “give it up for where I’m from” sign? Do all cities have this? Is there a secret city sign language? Is there a symbolic meaning of the finger positions? Yeah, ok, I think that’s all the questions I have for now.

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    Honest and curious suburban white girl questions… What exactly is a side rep? Is he is flashing a “give it up for where I’m from” sign? Do all cities have this? Is there a secret city sign language? Is there a symbolic meaning of the finger positions? Yeah, ok, I think that’s all the questions I have for now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SI2B7QEP5JTB2LMKBAU64I4TII Steve

    Well, this certainly sounds like a situation in which no one will be happy. The kid is dead-ok, sad, right, right. Darwin award winner obviously. But the people who sit there and say the gate should have opened on its own don’t know how these gates work. I’m sure the parents will get paid but what is their excuse for having a kid who was told over and over and over again not to do something and kept doing it? Knowing that it was dangerous? You are saying, essentially, that your child is not smart enough to pull his hand away from a hot stove until he has completely caught on fire. And you want a payday?

    of course they are going to have a harder time removing the door? Know why? Leases! you can whine all you want about it looking like a prison-but only an uneducated person would seek to remove a door in a not great neighborhood with a high crime rate(the reason the door was installed in the first place, most likely) because its an eyesore. Why? Because I can guarantee you will find someone in that complex who moved in because it had a gated parking lot available. What about all those people that had their cars broken into? Do they get to sue now that their cars are going to be repeatedly broken into because of some dipshit kid? When there are hundreds of thousands of these very doors all over this country that work fine and don’t kill anyone? And honestly, there would have been nothing much the gaurds could have done. By the time he was wrapped up, its likely his neck was snapped and his head crushed. he was likely dead in a just a moment or two after so nothing the guard could have done would have saved the kid at that point. Obviously telling them over and over again to stop it and not do it didn’t stop them. No word on how the parents disciplined their kids when they found out they were up to something so stupid the first SEVERAL TIMES they were caught doing this. This is not a tragedy, this is simply death by misadventure. if this had been some drunk wino no one would have been surprised but because its some young kid people are having the cliche “what about the chillllllldren!” reaction. “We have to protect our kids!” from who? Themselves?

    Sorry your wannabe gang banger kid was turned into a human fruit roll up. Guess its time for the parents to cash in on their neglect and stupidity.

  • TheLadyDragon

    I feel bad that this kid died, but seriously? What made this ‘game’ a good idea?!?
    Stupid people amaze me. *sigh*

  • Castille

    Well they do have 5 other children to think about…

  • Reen B

     This was totally preventable. Some kind of weight sensor like that of automatic doors, that would stop the gate if a child/squirrrel/stuck bird were cling to it, would be a simple fix AND put a stop to this dumb-assed “game.”

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    The gate was perfectly safe when kids didn’t play on it. If we are to remove a piece of equipment simply because kids didn’t use it correctly, then we should look at removing the roads they play on, the trains they jump on and the trees they climb in.

  • VXIII

    The Attorneys probobly jumped right on it without the parents having to contact them, calls probobly started coming in from Attorneys soon as it hit the news,

  • Athena

    What kind of suburbanite are you?  Your locale must put the emphasis on the “sub” rather than the “urban”. :P  

    Yes, it’s a “Give it up for where I’m from,” sign.  It’s backward in the picture, but it’s clearly an “E”. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GWBV2FUY3OBYX3RNK6I44QSC7I Kwum

    Is that nasty lookin face and  dome flashing a ” Im a stupid skinhead” sign?

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    Why would you assume that?

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    Yes, very much sub little urban over here in Florida. ;) If you’ve never been here it’s really just miles of gated communities and shopping malls. It’s just sprawl everywhere you look with little to no redeeming value. There are large cities, but nothing like other parts of the country. I have little to no experience with these things. I’m from NY, but think more WASP NY than in the city. Thanks for filling me in. I appreciate it. I feel like an idiot sometimes, but if you don’t ask…

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    “What made this ‘game’ a good idea?!?”

    A 12-year-old brain. Those things never work right.

  • Zazen

    Uh, no my friend, that would be a person who was featured here a couple weeks back who killed a dwarf with a crystal ball. You kinda are nasty to everyone on here. Hope you’re having fun with that.

  • Athena

    Hey, I agree.  I’m just breaking it down as I believe it will play on the legal stage.  If this had been my property, and it had been brought to my attention that kids were playing on it in an unsafe manner, I’d do a hell of a lot more than say, “Hey, knock it off.”  I would see if a safety mechanism would be added, or put up signage, or instruct my guards to keep a specific eye on the gate and chase off the kids as soon as they showed up (removing it was not and is not the only option).  I mean, we’ve all heard the story about the burglar who fell through the roof of the house he was attempting to break into and successfully sued the owners, right?  Every property management group or property owner should know by now that personal injury and/or wrongful death judgments can be very subjective. 
     
    I’m not saying I believe this boy’s parents deserve a settlement.  I don’t know the details of the case.  All I know is that this property owner could have and probably should have done more to protect themself from liability. 
     
     

  • chey79

    What does repping “East Side” mean? Isn’t that laying claim to a particular section of town? It’s a gang sign and you know it. Would you be proud with your children repping east side? if my son pulled some stupid shit with repping I would kick his ass then drop him off on the west side and let him flash his repping all day long.

  • TheLadyDragon
  • Castille

    No assumption but that of relying on the NYTimes reporting in the linked article to be accurate. He was the oldest of 6. They also have a  photo of the boy-crushing gate in question.

  • Califboy

     First this is not the 60′s and almost everyone on the planet knows what the peace sign means, and today we all know what a gang sing means even if its meant to be innocent. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, well then I would consider it to be a duck. I don’t know what a side rep is either and if you signaled to me like this I would consider it a “fuck you” and I would have to get the eyes in the back of my head on high alert.

  • onlyme356

    “It’s a very dangerous situation. I always told the kids to stop playing there,” said one resident who stated she has complained about the gates to management. “They wouldn’t listen.”

    Ummm I think they’ll listen now! And what the fuck is wrong with people? Trying to blame the security guards and the gate company? Where the fuck are the parents who can’t find the time to give their kids something better to do with themselves? This is why I have my kid in sports, arts, dance, theater, whatever the hell she needs to do to keep her ass out of trouble. And don’t tell me that only people with money can do this. 80% of the activities I put my kid in are free to the public. When a kid’s main source of amusement becomes jumping off and on a gate at 12 years old you know the parents are being neglectful.

  • onlyme356

    Anything has to potential to kill someone, it just has to come across the wrong person. I don’t blame the gate company or the security gurad. This is a matter of neglect by the parents. People think that 12 year olds are bigger, therefore can be alone more often. Hell no! 12 year olds are more likely to do something stupid, that’s why it’s your job as a parent to handle your business with your kids.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EFHX7YJV7E75CMXRU3INLQ7ABY Todd

    So if a kid wanders onto a set of train tracks and there wasn’t a fence or wall barring entry to the tracks, it’s the railroad’s fault if someone walks on the track and is hit by a train?  Doubt that logic flies in court.  There are risks in life, unless there was an unreasonable risk or completely ‘blind risk’ I don’t think the company is liable, nor should they be. 

  • Snickering_Hydra

    Pretty horrible outcome.

    As a kid you do a lot of stupid things. Dares, playing around dangerous equipment, setting things on fire, that sort of thing. Playing around garage doors is the only thing I can compare this to. With a garage door, there’s usually a sensor so you don’t get crushed underneath. Being rolled up “like a macabre banner” sounds much, much worse. That’s the thing about industrial equipment, its not as safe. But kids don’t realize this and that’s how we get these horror stories.

  • onlyme356

    Put a safety on it so the kids could continue to play on it safely? The kids needed some kind of recreational activity, which was the parent’s responsibility.

  • newstarshipsmell

    You know I put her up just for you, Zazen :D

    edit: too bad I didn’t think to do so before *eyeing your popcorn* the other day…

  • newstarshipsmell

    Thanks for pointing that out; I honestly have no clue about gang signs or things that could be mistaken for them – but I was angling for the patently absurd rather than the unsubtly racist joke here.

    Hell, it was my 666th useless comment here on the D’D; I felt obligated to say something Satan would be proud of.

  • Athena

    No, silly… put a safety on it so that I don’t have a lawyer threatening to own me, and so that my garage door doesn’t kill anyone.

    Do you have kids?  WERE you ever a kid?  Most kids don’t have 100% structured lives and, sometimes, when they’re not involved in structured recreation, they’re out doing something stupid.  I know I occasionally did.  That’s not a reflection of my parents’ ability to parent, but rather, the nature of being a kid.  Most of us are lucky that the stupid shit we got into as kids never killed us.  I know I’m not the only one who heard, “You could have gotten yourself KILLED!” growing up.

  • Snickering_Hydra

    You can only do so much without doing away with the door entirely. After this, I’m betting the most they can do is put up a sign specifying that the gate is dangerous ( and may cause death / injury, oh, and btw some kid died in here so we’re not joking. Really. Don’t play on this. )

    Say a group of parents take their kid to the ocean. The kid goes out too far into the water, and the lifeguard blows his whistle and tells him to stay in the safe zone. This happens several times, and the kid consistently strays out farther than he should. Worse, he and his friends make a game out of who can go out the farthest. During this game, one kid goes out too far and the undertoe gets him. He drowns, and the parents are, naturally, grief stricken.

    Who should pay? The ocean caused the death, and warnings were given specifying not to go out too far. Should the lifeguard and city be sued for the death?

    That’s the real question, and I can see both sides. Personally, I think that there was some *minor* negligence on the part of the security guards for not having their eyes on the screen. Still, I can’t really support suing the company over a door that may have been unsafe when the kids were directly messing with it. The door didn’t reach out and eat the kid, did it?

  • kimbev69

    Ok love the neighbor idea lol i have one i can give up

  • Zazen

    Holy crap, I was just thinking that while admiring that mug a couple of hours ago. She’s got GREAT shifty eyes! <.<

  • onlyme356

    I understood you the first time. But the owners already have something to back themselves up with. They have a security guard they pay for who repeatedly told them to stop and residents are witnesses since they also told the kids to stop and they wouldn’t listen. Putting a “safety” on it would only guarantee the kids to play on it even more. “Look guys, it’s safe now, come on”. When you know there’s nothing in the world that can truly make those electronic gates safe, even the sensors break at times. I understand fully well kids do dumb shit, which is why I made my point earlier that I try as much as possible to keep my kid busy so they don’t wind up spending their time doing dumb things like this. Granted, you can’t watch your kids while they are in school, or 24/7 but it lessens the risk and hanging outside the apartment building jumping on gates is not something I allow. Where were the parents that’s the question. I doubt very much they’ll win any kind of settlement. Kids do senseless things I agree, but that’s why you need to be more active in parenting to lessen those risks. Look like thta didn’t happen here. As a kid, I thought it was un to play up on the rooftop on the building next door. Once my mom found out she kicked my ass and I never did it again. Because these kids played on this gate repeatedly, you have to wonder if they even cared enough to step in.

  • pikeman

    Kwum used to comment here a long time ago and jumped on the band wagon with domino, doing the one thing she claims she is against. They were shitty to people like me and others they didn’t like on the site, like Corporal, who they helped drive off of this site. 

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    1) He’s representing his side of town. I used to throw up my ‘west side’ sign back in the day.
    2) Yes
    3) Major cities, yes
    4) Not so much
    5) No, just twisting the fingers to form a letter
    6) You sure? Cause I’m a wealth of knowledge (not really).

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    No, it’s not a gang sign, but you know that don’t you? Yes, he is laying claim to a section of town, but being from somewhere and representing it doesn’t mean you’re in a gang. If that were the case then everyone wearing t-shirts with their town on it are straight thugs.

    He’s not stacking, nor is he spelling bloods, throwing pitch forks down, forming a 5 point star, etc. He’s showing what side of town he is from which many people in urban areas do.

    I’m not going to call him a gang banger until I see proof that he is and this photo isn’t one. He’s a silly, hard-headed boy who paid a horrible price for it.

  • Heather_Habilatory

     Amen. This. Truth. 100% . End of story.

  • Heather_Habilatory

    Life is hard. It’s even harder if you’re stupid.

    Well, this kid no longer has a hard life ahead of himself.

  • Zazen

    I really want to study that hand signal for possible future applications, but I have the feeling I’ll screw it up and make the sign for ‘Your mama screwed the mailman’ and get my ass kicked.

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Do you want to know what’s sad, I just did O-M sign with my left hand to see if I could rep Omaha and it worked! LOL!!

    As far as the “your mama screwed the mailman” sign here you go. Take your left hand and point it down, now tuck your thumb so that you only see the 4 fingers, then twist your middle two fingers to form an M. Now with your right hand flip the bird. Move the middle finger of the right hand in and out of the first finger of the left hand. That’s the universal mama got down with the mailman sign. ===>AM<=== a finger folding GENIUS I tell ya!

  • Zazen

    You are too funny AM–even at this late in the day <3

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    **curtsies**

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PDZS7UVISG3RKVUALHAIQW5FPE pillss

    Really, she’s going to sue? Too soon?

  • Dillon_Lewandowski

    As much as I hate to say it, it’s his fault and I don’t really feel bad for him.

  • Sam

    “The door didn’t reach out and eat the kid, did it?”
    In the era of zombie elevators, can we really be sure of that? ;)

  • newstarshipsmell

    .-.. .. -.- . .-.-.-

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    I was asked in a previous comment would I let my child side rep…Yes I would and do….It’s NOT a gang thing…

    Ex: I’m from Eastside Atlanta…Decatur to be exact…But now I stay on the SouthWest side of Atlanta…But whenever asked where I’m from….I always say the Eastside…Children say: I rep the Eastside….It’s not gang lingo…It has never been that…It’s pride in your city…I don’t support gang signing…But I understand what side repping is and I don’t get offended by it…Since the Trayvon Martin incident…I now know that a lot of white people (other races also, but mostly white), are very weary of the sudden movements of blacks…This sign is truly innocent tho…

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    Gang members don’t usually throw up gang signs before committing a crime…If you see someone doing that…You’re safe…You dealing with a gang poser…

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    It’s only saying that you’re from that side…Not staking claim to an area…Where’d you get that from?

  • osteenq

     And running out of stupid kids would be a bad thing…how, exactly?

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    Well, that sucks. I think most people who comment on here now at least seem to ignore such unsubtle, obvious, and clumsy trolling.

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    Ha! No, I think you’ve covered it pretty well. :)

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    I had to ask, because I’ve never seen it done here. To be perfectly honest even if he was flashing a gang sign he didn’t deserve to die like that, no one does. 

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    So there is a city sign language! I want a rep sign, but I live in Florida so I don’t really, but I do. Dammit! I’m so confused now.

  • Jubilex

     Contrary to popular belief – we have thousands of years of human history where children were allowed to play outside of the house that worked out ok.  Sometimes crap like this happens sure – but children playing on crap is so common they invented a playground item just for this type of activity – it’s called monkey bars.

    That doesn’t mean the kids should have played on the gate – it does mean that blaming the parents is pretty stupid.  Kids younger than 12 have been let out and told to come home when it’s dark forever and a day.  I realize the vogue thing these days is to keep your kid in a glass tube until they turn 18 – but the fact is kids being allowed to play isn’t a sign of a demon possessed parent that’s neglectful of their kids.

    And someone yelling at the kids to stop playing on the gate *dose not* mean the parents knew what was going on – hell my parents only knew maybe 50% of the crap I got into as a kid… because kids are good at hiding crap from their parents.

    FYI 12 years old is old enough to babysit in many places… it’s not exactly a child here.

    The point about the death gate is simply this – if the gate was stuck – and you got out of your car to see if you could unstick it – you wouldn’t expect it to grab your ass and eat you.  It shouldn’t be able to do that going up or down.

    It *IS* possible to make a gate not crush or eat someone and still be 100% secure when it’s closed.  Yes (to the person above) someone could try to sneak in and take advantage of that – but they can do the same thing with a door.

    Doors are secure (if made so) when closed and even big security doors aren’t supposed to eat you if you happen to be caught in them while they are closing.

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    I wouldn’t say safe if they’re about to commit a crime, but at least you can assume they aren’t gang members. 

  • http://truecrimereport.com iLLusionS

    Maybe it’s just me but after scanning comments I have to say, I am a little sad that because this kid has a few fingers held up in a picture he is a gang member, and doesn’t deserve to live. He just about deserved to be rolled up in there. I mean come on…I can say that we don’t have to worry about gangs where I am from..A few that wanna be (but this is far from L.A. or NYC)., A kid is a kid. We don’t know anything about this kid and what his future could have been.I mean damn, the fact my hubby is still alive from the stunts he and his friend pulled from age 11-25 is a miracle…and he was just a country bumpkin white kid…
    ALL 12 year olds are as dumb as a box of rocks, plus two if they’re male…unless they are the complete opposite and are the youngest MENSA members…
    Was the kid a fool who didn’t listen to his parents? Sure….take a look at some of your 12 year old kids people….

  • pikeman

    For the most part, yes. I actually went over six months without commenting because of this shit, but I still checked DD sometimes. Then I found several threads where domino and kwum lambasted the corporal in my absence, and when he said he wasn’t going to comment anymore he was lambasted and ridiculed. When I got back on here, I cought more shit from domino, but stuck it out anyways. Funny, how she’s so against bullying, but has no problem doing it on this site. I was in conntact with the Corporal, he won’t comment on here anymore.

  • Cassy_Again

    I’m sorry, but I raised three children, two of them boys and this is what 12-year old boys do. If they were capable of seeing the true danger of their actions, then the legal age of majority would be 12.

    I also grew up in a neighbourhood where you got to make your own playground, because there was nothing else to do. Here are some fun things I still see or have seen (mostly) boys do:

    Go to skateboarding parks, with high ramps and flip around with no helmets.
    Do tricks on bikes with no helmets.
    Roller blade with no helmets.
    Dare each other to jump between two-and-three storey buildings, over 10-foot-wide alleys.
    Walk along fences and walls that are 10 – 20 feet high, but only a few inches wide.
    Hang on to cars while on roller blades/skateboards/crazy carpets.
    Stand up on “sliders” (sleds, crazy carpets, whatever they use) and careen down the side of mountains.
    Skate out to the middle of the lake after a warm spell.
    Dive off bridges without knowing how deep the water is.
    Dash in front of trains with seconds on spare.
    Walk over long train bridges.

    It’s the nature of the human beast to do frightening things for competitions. Bob sledding, ski jumping, hand gliding, race car driving, parachuting, bungee jumping, high diving, plane walking, then you have TV shows featuring people wrapped in locked chains or straight jackets in a tank under water, etc.. We like the rush and we glorify it. The risk of harm is what gives us that rush.

    Telling a 12-year-old something is dangerous is often a waste of breath, or like waving a red flag in front of a bull. And you know, if he had not died, and only broken a few bones, I bet you he’d be right back at it the minute the casts were off.

    And on another note, I would think it would be difficult for people to monitor 16 screens from 350 cameras. And even if the guard was sitting there staring at them, how often does the camera actually show the area the boy was in? I can’t imagine that accident took very long.

    I also agree that the family would have been hounded by lawyers the minute this hit the news.

    AND…(I’m on roll today), if management was informed of the boys doing this, they should have done something to protect  children from their own stupidity. Why wasn’t there some sort of safety/detection device that would stop the door from moving if something was being rolled into it? They have such systems on escalators and elevators.

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    I’m glad you asked DKOS…I’ve held up those signs when I was young…As a matter of fact…It began with a rapper named Baby D and a song called Eastside vs Westside… http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eny7rxjdp78 …And every since then, side repping kinda boomed…

    Southside Sign: Left hand forms a letter C…Right hand forms letter C…Connect thumb of right hand to the top fingers of the left…

    Northside Sign: Left hand forms peace sign…Right index finger touches left index finger…

    Eastside Sign: Right hand, thumb and index finger forms the letter C…Extend middle finger…Keep pinky and ring finger down…

    Westside Sign: Right or left hand…Hold up four fingers…Twist middle and ring finger together…

    Purely innocent…

    I hope I helped out…

    And you’re right…Even if it were gang signs…That’s not how or why he died…

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Posers are more dangerous, they are trying to prove something.

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    It did help. Thanks for teaching me something new. 

  • daniel orama

    Its Brooklyn, NY. These people are just looking for a mighty buck. They are poor, uneducated and have nothing else going for them. Blame themselves for not watching the kids? Never. Blame everyone else? Of course. One minute its,” Oh, the gate and fences look bad!”, the next its” oh, this management company is not doing anything to keep us safe from these drug dealers and gangsters!”. I feel bad that they lost their child. I would be devastated. However, me and my wife are constantly watching our children when they play outside. Theres too many pedophiles and too many things that could happen to kids in any city of this world, but especially in an inner city. The gate was not malfunctioning. The boys actions and the parents lack of attention is what caused this terrible accident.

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    And thank you for being the way you are…

    I <3 your way!

  • Athena

    No, that logic wouldn’t fly in court.  That’s also not the logic I’m using.  The danger posed by a train is blatantly obvious, even to a child this kid’s age.  The danger posed by a gate is much less obvious, and therein lies the question at hand.

    There does not appear to be any signage on the gate warning of its danger.  Neighbors, security guards and the property owner were aware the kids were playing here, and two of the three told them to stop.  But, was it, “Stop playing here”, “Stop, you might break it,” or ‘Stop, you could get really hurt”?  It may seem like a slight distinction, but it’s an important one.  Also, did any of these entities make the kids’ parents aware of what was going on?  If not, that suggests that no one, including the adults, reasonably foresaw the level of danger involved.  If any of these entities thought this game could result in death, I’d like to think they’d do more than shoo them away on occasion. 

    So, yes, we may very well be talking about a legally significant level of “blind danger”, here.  The Coke machine I bought a soda from today has a warning label on it.  The dryer I dried my hair with this morning has a warning label on it.  The grocery cart I strap my child into at the store had a warning label on it.  Some of the most basic things warn against some of the most basic dangers, but they do so to avoid liability, because what is obvious to many is not obvious to all.  Along that line, I don’t have much experience with civil personal injury/wrongful death law, but it’s possible that the fact that this situation involved children may impact the “reasonable person” element of judging the obviousness of danger from a legal perspective.   

    If that gate has a warning on it in a visable place, that may alone be enough to alleviate the property owner of liability.  But if there is no signage, no one warned the kids of the danger, no one warned the parents of the childrens’ behavior and no one did more to prevent this than shooing the kids away from the gate, there may be liability. I’m not talking about how it should be, I’m talking about how it is, love it or hate it.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Thanks for the warning – I’ll take care to avoid feeding either of those trolls…

  • pikeman

    Yes, well I decided to come to your defense because I happen to like your comments. 

    That is one UGLY ass bitch in your avatar, though. Damn dwarf beating, ugly ass, skin-head bitches anyways!

  • newstarshipsmell

    I am guessing that the gate *does* have a safety/detection device – and it probably consists of detecting resistance when it is lowering to close, to prevent people/animals from being trapped/crushed between it and the ground, and possibly to avoid damaging the gate if it’s trying to close on top of an obstruction. The designers probably simply never considered the risk of people jumping onto and hanging off of the gate while it rises/rolls up to open, just like numerous other product designers never considered various risks until some moron or their surviving family sued over it, prompting them to fix/mitigate the risk afterwards. Doubtless every company manufacturing doors like this are now well aware of the risk and are probably scrambling to cover any potential liabilities.

  • Zazen

    Well, I’m glad you came back pike–people who make me laugh are always cool in my book. And as @DangerousKindOfSnark:disqus  said, normally I do ignore trolls, but I couldn’t let a couple of comments go. Especially when it’s tarsh, who never slings shit, is pretty much always making me snortgiggle, and while he might not be from the same planet as me, we’re definitely from the same solar system.

    So I had to say something, because it’s only neighborly.

  • Athena

    I’m glad my parents were cooler than you.  

  • LeaveMeBe

    Mine were too. Of course, where I come from we didn’t rep with signs, we just put a boot in their ass.

  • Athena

    Speak for yourself, lady.  You best believe I’m staking claim to the entire mothafuckin’ West Coast when I flash my white girl “W”.  I bet people are mistaking me for a gang member ALL THE TIME.  

    That’s right, don’t let the yoga pants fool you, bitches.  I’m hood.  

    I can’t help but chuckle that so many people have illustrated their urban ignorance in this thread, and that some are still arguing the fact with you.  I would love to see them lock their car doors upon seeing a deaf black boy converse with an ASL-speaking friend.  ”I saw gangsters today, honey!  I was so scared, I closed my eyes, turned my Garth Brooks up and just PRAYED they kept walking!”  

  • Athena

    <3

  • https://twitter.com/#!/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    “That’s right, don’t let the yoga pants fool you, bitches. I’m hood. ”

    OMG I just laughed so hard.

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    This was the most hilarious thing I’ve read today! I needed that! EASTSIDE!

  • onlyme356

    Did you see the picture of that gate? He got munched up because he went so high he was afraid to jump off. I read the other article earlier and the kids were playing chicken. When he went too high he got scared to jumo and got caught. The article just reaffirmed what I said earlier. They needed some recreation.

  • newstarshipsmell

    Well thanks. I can’t say I remember the Corporal, but I *definitely* remember laughing over/agreeing with many of your posts back when I was still lurking, and was pleased to see you turn back up recently.

    @Zahzen:disqus, let’s be honest though. I’m not *completely* innocent of the shit slinging – I haven’t forgotten the pointless internet fight I picked with @JohnQknowitall:disqus over that crazy donation bin thief… what can I say but that I was new and dumb.

    edit: okay at some point someone needs to teach me how to bold/italicize and hyperlink text in the disqus comments – apparently the BBCode tags do not work here.

  • pikeman

    Thanks for the welcome. I can never seem to stay completely away from DD. :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/brittney.east Brittney East

    yes, it is.  Perhaps the use it as a “city rep”  where you’re from.  I worked for the county courts for several years, and it’s used rather frequently as a gang sign in my area. Maybe it is in that kids’ city, maybe not, I don’t know, never been there, but it is what it is.

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    :)

  • DangerousKindOfSnark

    And wouldn’t you know it, they just ignored me. Praise Jesus!

  • JohnQknowitall

    What is a “city rep” or the “Eastside sign?”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7N6KYE5OZO7WNUYTTYEDVWOINE Marysa Nieves

    This happened in my hometown, I’m Brooklyn born & raised. He’s flashing an “E” for East New York, which is what that part of Brooklyn is called…….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lil-Bit/679912203 Lil Bit

    The person to blame is dead: The kid dumb enough to play chicken with a gate. His parents would be the next ones to blame, for not making sure their kid wasn’t playing on a gate that he’d been told to stay off of. If the complex told the kids not to play on it and they still did, I’d say that makes the parents at fault, not the complex’s. They aren’t babysitters. They told the kids not to play there. What more should they have done? Grab the kids and force them away? Lawsuit!

    If the court finds the complex liable, they should also find the parents liable for neglecting their kid. Where were they while he was dying for 10 minutes and hanging there dead for another 20?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lil-Bit/679912203 Lil Bit

    This one’s not a matter of a machine being used properly and a malfunction caused someone’s death. This is someone deliberately misusing a machine and dying because of it. If you play chicken with the back end of a dump truck, you’d be nuts to sue the company if your friend got crushed because he didn’t get out of the way in time. Or suing a train company because your kid didn’t jump off the track quick enough. When people play with their lives, sometimes they lose. And that’s their fault, not the machine’s – or its owner’s.

  • My_Mind_Speaks

    It’s a way of saying which side of the city you’re from…(sorry abut the delay in response)…People do city reps too…

    Peace sign pointed down with a thumb from the same hand inserted between the fingers means: Atlanta…

    Both hands open like a clap, index finger of one hand touches the base of index finger of opposite hand means: Houston…

    There are also gang signs…But I won’t divulge those because I hate the promotion of violent behavior…I commented because I know these signs are harmless…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6TOSJEHMDMXPJH4WOANBPT5FQI Janessa

    I feel terrible for the parents, though growing up my parents would’ve KNOWN if I was getting into trouble, all the way up until I got out of high school.  They clearly weren’t checking up on him, so I hate to see what happens to the other 5 they have at home!  And kids are playing dumber and dumber, more and more dangerous games just for the thrill.  We have choking games, games where we light body parts on fire, and now playing with gates.  When I have kids, I am going to show them things like this and explain, “don’t be an idiot, or you will die”.  In a way, I want to just say “well what did you EXPECT?!”.  Logic would’ve told even me at 9 years old that it was going to get someone killed.  It’s hard to not say “you deserved it” at times like this.  Yes, I understand, stupid kids just being stupid kids.  But still, have some brains kids!  Use them for something CREATIVE!