Third-Grader In Critical Condition After She Was Shot In Classroom

Sad.  I hope the little girl makes a full recovery :/

I really hope she pulls through and is 100% okay.  Hopefully the kid with the gun didn’t have other sinister plans for it. 

What defines “real problem in the classroom”?  Problem like wiping boogers on other kids backs or real problem like fighting at recess and bringing your Mom’s crack pipe to school kind of problems? 

It’s called a gun safe, parents — with a combination lock that you actually use.  

I am not anti gun – one of the best Christmas presents I have gotten in the past few years was  training at the NRA.  Good stuff.  Anyway, I just think that some kids are morons and don’t think of the ramifications of what they are doing.  Give them an opportunity to fuck up and they will – this is an example of that in my opinion. 

This is called: The Child Figured Out That School “Does’t Matter”.

I had a first grade student that didn’t give a rat’s ass about school or it’s work. His name was Cedric I think.  The kid acted like he was 17 & his parents thought school as a day care center. They would drop him off and not look back until 3pm. 

This kid needs a new family with a good set of core values, healthy children activities, no teenagers (usually these kids tend to hang out with older kids, imitating them even with their speech) or good role model teenagers (yes, they do exist) and lots of sports.

This is sad and tragic because this doesn’t sound like a lost cause. I hope the girl pulls through, that the boy gets a good punishment (including seeing orphaned kids & HELPING THEM) and the incubators getting punished for letting this sh*t go down when the kid can still be managed.

His parents can be included in the moron category, possibly with an upgrade to galloping retard. If they really gave a damn about their son, they’d have taught him better. Plus they wouldn’t leave an unloaded gun around.
When I was a little kid, our playroom in the basement included a wall with about twenty antique guns displayed (Dad was an antique gun dealer).
We never touched them because Dad taught us that:
1. Always assume a gun is loaded and therefore dangerous.
2. We were to never touch them without him there and saying we could.

I have a third grader. If he had not ever been informed about guns, I can guarantee he would do something like this, not knowing the implications. Kids that are never educated about guns cannot differentiate between what is real and what they see on tv. My older kids have been through hunter safety courses when they were 10 and began hunting with my husband shortly after. They’ve seen the damage a real gun does to a deer (as has my third grader). It is only because of this that we’ve never had this issue -well, that and we lock up our firearms. I blame the parents for being morons on this one. If you are going to keep firearms in your home, EDUCATE our children (don’t try to just hide them and hope for the best, a child is very resourceful in getting what they want).

And a spoon made Rosie O’donnell fat.

It’s a lot easier to write words with a pencil than without one…

I wasn’t great at thinking through what I was doing as a kid, but I sure knew if I laid a finger on daddy’s gun I wouldn’t be able to sit down for a week. Some ramifications I had no problem understanding.

Beautiful girl.

Do not underestimate pencils. They kill people too.

Although guns don’t misspell words. In fact, they can’t write at all.

(And obviously I can’t spell either or I wouldn’t have had to come back and edit this!)

Only when they work in tandem with a table! 

http://superherouniverse.com/art/data/500/Pencil_Trick_1.gif

Better than any 9mm I’ve ever shot. I wonder what they go for now days? Hubby and I have been looking at each getting “fun guns” (for self-protection, home protection and just banging around, ya know?) and you brought back memories of this little baby. I’m going to have him research it tonight. Thanks reapre!

If you can even find a decent one for sale, I’d expect to pay a grand or more for an A grade. I had found a used one, B grade, back in 2007 for like $900 I want to say? They’re “rare” and very high quality, that fixed barrell and solid one piece design with the gas tube for a pistol was awesome, I’d love to track one down, if I had the money for it. Good luck finding one .

Fixed barrel refers to the barrel and the gun being one piece, and the barrel is NOT interchangeable.  Instead of a floating barrel (which is way more common for a spring load), that you can remove the barrel and replace it.  The gas tubes are used to return some of the gas from the round going off, to soften the recoil so the gun doesn’t kick as hard, making the gun more accurate.  The gas blow back and fluted chambers, also helps the brass get expelled from the gun, so you’ll still kick the brass out, even if your extractor is missing.

Idk what size your P7 was before…but the ones us men had were P7 M13′s.  We had a woman who had a lot of problems with the gun, so they swapped hers out for a P7M7, which has a thinner magazine (only 7 rounds single row, instead of our 13 rounds double row), so it had a smaller hand grip, and could accomodate her smaller hands.  (Just for reference if you actually end up finding another).

I’ve shot barettas, ruger, S&W, multiple different H&K, glock (which is garbage to me), Desert Eagle, colt..etc.  Pretty much all of the calibers.   The 9mm H&K P7, is by far my favorite.  

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/heckler-koch-psp-p7-9mm-pistol-b-grade-west-german-police-surplus-the-ultimate-in-accurate-carry-gun.html

Yeah, appears upwards of a grand for a “new” one.  This is considered a “b grade”, so it’s going to have some visible wear, but no nicks or burrs in the actual metal components that would alter your fire…it’s just not going to be “as pretty”.  This is coming off at $859.99! So prices are still about the same from what they used to be.

The BIGGEST problem (that I remember) that we had with them, was the housing for the firing pin..if you can, stock up on them, they are very brittle, and can just “fall apart” in your hand if you’re not overly cautious and gentle while cleaning…

Sorry I’m so long winded…just helping you reminsce about the gun of your (our) dreams! =D.

[B]Father: ‘My kid made a mistake’ in school shooting[/B]PORT ORCHARD, Wash. (AP) – Crying and wearing an orange jail jumpsuit, a frightened 9-year-old boy accused of accidentally shooting a classmate sat before a judge in juvenile court Thursday as his father gently rubbed his back. The scene _ coming a day after police said the boy accidently shot a fellow third-grader _ raised questions that will be played out in the legal system: Did he know what he did was wrong? And is anyone else responsible? Bail was set at $50,000 during the preliminary hearing, and ultimately the court will determine whether the third-grader will face criminal charges as an 8-year-old girl remains critically wounded. ”I just want everyone to know that my kid made a mistake. It was a terrible mistake,” the boy’s father, Jason Cochran, said outside the courthouse. If the bail is met, the boy would be released to his uncle and placed under house arrest. The uncle, Patrick Cochran, is the boy’s legal guardian and also sat by his nephew’s side in the courthouse. ”He’s a good kid. It’s all I can say,” said Patrick Cochran. “I apologize to the family of that girl. I really do.” [...] Todd Dowell of the Kitsap County prosecutor’s juvenile division said that under state law, children between 8 and 12 years old can face charges if a court determines the child has the capacity to understand an act is wrong. A capacity hearing in this case will be held in two weeks. Kitsap County officials said both the child’s mother and father have criminal records. Bremerton police Lt. Peter Fisher would not discuss whether authorities were investigating any adults in connection with Wednesday’s shooting, and he wouldn’t release further information about the investigation. The boy’s classmate remained in critical condition at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle after undergoing surgery for a gunshot wound. Dr. Eileen Bulger said the girl will likely be at the hospital for several weeks and face further surgeries. She was sedated and on a ventilator but has woken up and interacted with her parents. On Wednesday, Bremerton police characterized the shooting at Armin Jahr Elementary as accidental. A bullet hit Kocer-Bowman in the abdomen and arm, according to authorities. Her father, John Bowman, thanked his daughter’s teacher in a statement, saying “had she not administered first aid and stopped the bleeding from the gunshot wound, this event would have surely been tragic.” The boy was being investigated for unlawful possession of a gun, bringing a dangerous weapon to school and third-degree assault charges. Authorities believe he got the weapon during a visitation with his mother over the weekend, according to charging documents released Thursday. The documents state that the boy told a classmate about five days ago that he was going to bring his “dad’s gun” to school and run away. The gun discharged after the boy slammed his backpack down on a desk, the documents said. Court documents show Jamie Lee Chaffin, who is listed as the boy’s mother in a child support case, sued the boy’s father for failing to pay child support. She also has been in and out of the court system, according to court documents. In 2005, she was arrested for possession of meth in Bremerton but pleaded guilty to a drug paraphernalia charge. She also was convicted of marijuana deliver and forgery. Twenty-seven states have some form of firearm child access prevention laws. Such laws can include criminal penalties for adults who allow children to get their hands on guns, but Washington is not one of those states, according to the San Francisco-based Legal Community Against Violence. Gail Hammer, a law professor at Gonzaga University in Spokane, said it is very rare for a child as young as 9 to be charged with a crime. Even if a young child is convicted, he wouldn’t be sent to an adult prison, Hammer said. ”Generally with young children they try to deal with it in the juvenile system,” she said. In Olympia, the Seattle Democrat who chairs the state Senate Judiciary Committee said there is a lapse in state law. “We do not hold people very accountable in this state for leaving guns around the house with small children,” Sen. Adam Kline said. Kline said that he would consider a bill to address it during the next legislative session next year, but didn’t sound hopeful of its chances. There have been shootings at schools that involved younger children. In 2000, 6-year-old Kayla Rolland, a Michigan first-grader, was fatally shot by a 6-year-old classmate who brought a gun from home. That classmate was not criminally charged; prosecutors said he was too young to be held responsible. Last year, a 6-year-old kindergartner at a Houston elementary school accidentally fired a gun as he was showing it off to friends, injuring three students. Bremerton Schools spokeswoman Patty Glaser said the school where Wednesday’s shooting happened, with about 400 students, was open for classes Thursday with 10 counselors available to talk with teachers, students and parents. The school is in a quiet residential neighborhood about 20 miles west of Seattle, across Puget Sound. Patrick Cochran said the boy’s grandmother adopted him, but she died a year ago and he became the child’s legal guardian. He said he lives with the boy’s father, and the boy’s two sisters. ”I just want him back home,” Patrick Cochran said.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=19334102&s_cid=article-popular-3

“The documents state that the boy told a classmate about five days ago that he was going to bring his “dad’s gun” to school and run away.”  The boy has two fuck ups as parents, and an uncle that has custody of him that doesn’t properly secure his firearms. No wonder he wanted to run away. I actually feel sorry for the kid, and if they don’t get him some help he’s going to follow in his parents footsteps. Hoping the little girl pulls through with minimal (physical) damage.

Third-grader Shot at School Undergoes Second Surgery

BREMERTON, Wash. (KTLA) — The 8-year-old girl who was shot in a third grade classroom underwent more surgery Friday and is still in critical condition.Meantime, the classmate accused of accidentally shooting her is out on bail.[...]She underwent emergency surgery on Wednesday and was taken back into surgery on Friday.
A hospital spokeswoman said Amina is still in critical condition in the intensive care unit.
“She was very close to death yesterday,” Dr. Eileen Bugler said Thursday afternoon.
“She has now stopped bleeding and she is critically ill and has a long road ahead of her.”
Bugler said her organs are severely damaged and she will have to undergo additional surgeries.
The bullet is still lodged near her spine, and doctors may leave it there.
“The investigation revealed a student brought a firearm to school,” the Bremerton Police Department said.
According to court documents, school staff and officers located a large-caliber semiautomatic handgun in a backpack in the classroom where Kocer-Bowman had been shot.
The backpack had been ripped open at the bottom where the muzzle had been pointed.
“At the end of the school day, the firearm discharged while in his backpack. A bullet went through the backpack, striking a nearby 8-year-old student.[...]
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-third-grader-shot,0,1217849.story

So, the boy’s fuck up mother and her boyfriend, the people reportedly responsible for the gun, actually went to some out-of-state NASCAR function while the son is incarcerated and the poor girl he shot was fighting for her life.  

They’ve both been charged with unlawful possession of a firearm.  The boy’s former incubator is a convicted felon and was not allowed to own a firearm to begin with.  She’s also been charged with something else, but I can’t find what that was.  They’ll both be arrested once located.