Man Shot And Killed By Neighbor In Dog Poop Dispute

I couldn’t be more please that he’s been charged with murder; fuck that guy.

Trying to get over the mad crapper combo of  Chihuahua and German Shepard.
If I thought I would get killed for complaining about two different size piles, I would have cleaned it up myself.
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They do leave a siggie don’t they?

A friend a couple of streets over from me was just telling me a story about a guy whose miniature pinscher would get out of their yard on a daily basis, and crap in another neighbor’s yard. The crapee confronted the owner about it numerous times, only to be told “It couldn’t possibly be my dog, he’s always in my backyard.”

Eventually the crapee got fed up and shot the dog. When the owner confronted him about it, he told him it couldn’t possibly be his dog, his dog was always in the backyard.

I completely agree, I think I was under the impression that the shooter is the one who said the victim was reaching for the gun, which I would assume was a lie to get out of shooting someone dead for no good fucking reason. If a witness said that, then that’s different. I think it also makes a difference as far as who reached for the weapon first, but in any case, thank you for encouraging me to be objective. I will also wait for more information on this one. I guess I’m just so used to people being assholes I’ve forgotten how things go sometimes.

I know right! Look at that little face. Oh…it’s heartbreaking.

There is some shit that just ain’t worth fightin’ over, much less dying over. (<— See what I did there?)

I see it … but next time shine a brighter spot light on it please.On a side note – I feel so happy right now because I finally got to tell someone else that.

I have a min pin (well, I inherited her) and she makes the tiniest poohs ever.  Now German Shepards not so much.  Ever seen a Great Dane shit?  OMG, I could never in a million years pick up after one of those.  Ewwwwww.  I can appreciate the neighbors frustration but now lots of lives are affected, none the least of which is that newborn baby who now doesn’t have a father over some bullshit.  Ok, dog shit.  LOL

What a bunch of shit huh?

Glad I could help out with your feelings of happiness. You know they say mockery is the sincerest form of flattery.

He had it on his hip in his own home. Of course, if he hadn’t been armed, he would never have been in a position to have felt he was in mortal danger (if he hadn’t brought a gun into the situation, the other guy couldn’t have grabbed for it), and he would never have shot someone.

This is why I don’t think most people should have guns. They escalate far more situations than they resolve, and accidentally kill far more innocents than they defend. A taser can fill the same need for defense, without bringing a lethal instrument into things. The only drawback is that tasers don’t make men feel all macho likes things that blow holes in people do.

…yeah that is why he shot the guy 4 times? Seems like overkill.

 It was on the shooter’s front porch ? The victim initiated the confrontation ? He was pissed off because the dog was dumping in his yard, he wasn’t talking to the mafia about 50 missing keys of Colombia’s finest. If I extrapolate your argument a little further, that would make for a whole bunch of dead Jehovah Witnesses wouldn’t it. “Sir what happened ‘? Motherfucker was talking about god and shit, self-defense, I was scared, thankfully they went down after the 14th shot.” It’s no wonder he was a former cop, school cop yet to boot, perfect. Count was right the first time, fuck him.

 Your shit is my business said the septic tank pumper….

 I don’t argue over anything with people any longer unless I am at my home in reach of two loaded guns I keep at hands reach. There is no longer the same respect we had growing up.
Hell there is not even the fear we had while growing up, people just don’t care.

Andy did you happen tyo see  the story on the couple, who wanted a puppy so they got a great dane. They picked the runt of the litter  and he grew to be a 252 lb dog.He is the largest dog ever recorded.Now that I would hate to clean up after. lol

No Lena, I hadn’t heard that one but it would be my luck that would happen to me.  My ex and I went to the beach a couple years ago with some friends and we brought the dogs.  I don’t know how many lbs these Great Danes were but they shit a turd the size of my arm.  Hell you might even need extra large shit bags for those dogs.  I wonder if it is their size that contributes to a young life expectancy.  Isn’t it around 8 years for a Great Dane?  If so I bet my Min Pin lives to be 20.  LOL

If you pull a gun on a Jehovah’s witness, #1, none of us would blame you, and #2, if they try to take it away from you and you panic and start pulling the trigger, they hold some responsibility for that. But this wasn’t someone proselytizing, it was a pissed off man whose rage had been building for quite a while and who started shit.

The shooter holds some responsibility, because he had the gun. But he was on his own porch, a perfectly legitimate place to have a gun. He didn’t take it over to the other guy’s house. When he first pulled it out, he was probably just being a macho jerk, but once the other guy tried to take it from him, he can make a good claim that he felt he needed to defend himself.

It’s involuntary manslaughter, perhaps, but not murder.

I figure if the shooter pulled it on him, and then there was a struggle, then that’s one thing. But if the guy was attacking the shooter or reaching for his gun, without the guy actually pulling it out, that’s quite another. I can’t even form a clear opinion right now with the info that’s out at the moment. Who knows what the hell really happened. There’s only two people who really know, and one of them is dead.

I gotta agree with that as well, once the threat is eliminated, it’s time to stop shooting. Cases like this can be confusing as far as forming an opinion goes, even the ones where people shoot home intruders. Those can be more clear cut but people get charged sometimes even when they were the victim. People need to know who they’re fucking with.

Nothing wrong with asking a neighbor to stop their dogs from pooping in your yard. The victim had already done so several times before. Which makes me think that by this point he was done with politely ‘asking’ that it stop- he was pissed, and started an angry confrontation. Not saying he deserved to get shot over it, but if you start screaming at someone and they pull a gun on you, you should probably walk away, not try to take it away from them.

Since I live in a townhouse we have common property, but you bet your ass I pick up every single one of my dogs little doots. Doing anything else, especially since kids run around the neighborhood, is just rude. I’ve taken people to task in a slightly rude snarky way when I see them. I pull a bag off my dog’s roll and tell them since they forgot theirs they can have one of mine. Embarrassment is a good motivator. 

So, I’m supposed to feel more sorry for the victim because he had a kid and had recently moved?

There’s a huge difference between a neighbor politely asking you to stop something annoying, and an enraged man on your doorstep yelling at you. He didn’t ask nicely, he went over there and started an argument. Not that I blame him one bit for being pissed, but when he saw the other guy had a gun, he should have LEFT. And someone who was in a rational state of mind WOULD have left. The fact that he didn’t tells me he was not rational, he was PISSED.

If you show up enraged and irrational on someone’s doorstep, don’t be surprised if they pull a gun on you. If you try to take that gun away from them, don’t be surprised if you get shot. If the shooter later says “This irrational, pissed off guy tried to take my gun away and I panicked and started shooting,” don’t be surprised if he gets off easy for it.

I’m thinking this guy, Harris, being a gun-totin’ ex-cop, was probably a neighborhood bully.  He probably didn’t have a second thought about shooting a new neighbor that had just moved in the area.  If you ask other neighbors, they’ve probably had problems with him too, but he might have intimidated them or something.

I hope that Mr. Santana wasn’t shot simply b/c of being Hispanic.  That poor family has lost a husband and father b/c some asshole can’t clean up his dog turds.  It would be nice if they could put him on some shitty prison detail, but if he’s still a bully in prison, he will either be killed by some other inmate or he’ll be at the top of the food chain.  I hate bullies.

Made me giggle

I love my heathen dog.

Probably not a double digit IQ between the two of them.

OMG…Whether the victim was on this guys property or not, doesn’t call for OVERKILL!!! To shoot him once would’ve gotten the point across. This shooter was just an ENTIRE asshole … and to think that he used to work with kids, makes me wonder IF he was ever ALL THERE to begin with…

…Someone who grabs for or otherwise attacks someone who is holding a gun is not acting rationally…

I disagree.  Ever since I’ve first become accustomed to any kind of firearms I’ve learned the 4 basic safety rules;
1) Treat EVERY weapon as if it were loaded,
2) Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot,
3) Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire,
4) Keep your weapon on safe, until you intend to fire.

Harris, being an ex-peace officer (of sorts) that was licensed to carry, would’ve had many, MANY hours into the training of his weapons, and would know the laws and rules regulating their brandishing.

With that being said, and always having been aware of the 4 weapons safety rules, I would attempt to remove the gun from Mr. Harris’ possession as well if he had pointed it at me.  I can’t see myself putting myself in a situation as such, but when a firearm of any sort is pointed at you, the feeling you get maybe fear, and it also may be impulsive self-preservation.  My own personal training has taught me to remove the pistol from the equation if it’s within arms reach.  I believe he pulled the gun as an attempt to intimidate.  (my thoughts come from this written point in the article.)

“…and at some point, Harris pulled a 9mm out of a holster on his hip.   After a brief struggle over the gun…”  <– What I was referring to as "impulsive self-preservation"

When a spring loaded pistol is use in CQB, a big handicap with the weapon is the slide.  If the slide is impeded at all, (the part of the gun that Santana WOULD be grabbing before, during and after the firing had started) the brass won’t eject and the pistol won’t seat another round properly, or even at all.  If the late Mr. Santana reached for a spring loaded pistol and actually grabbed it at any point before the first round went off, or second, or third, 4th, 5th, 6th…, Harris would’ve had to re-sling the slide to seat another round.  One round, is almost always sufficient to stop forward progression of an assailant when the round hits the head/neck area, or even in the center of the chest.  Since 1 round entered his face, 2 in his neck, and one in his chest.  I’m feeling Harris tried to do a “box-drill” on him.  (2 to the chest, one to the face).

I don’t believe this was self defense.  I believe it was an attempt at intimidation and bullying, and he murdered a guy that stood up to him. 

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This is so fucking sad. This shows the frustration people have with the damn dog shit problem.

Wait. Are we sure it wasn’t a Pit who shot him!???

Ok since this is DD & if you can think of a crime, it has probably appeared here I’m gonna make a request:

“Let the owner with the most cats at large appear in the front page of the DD for getting shot at for not putting the fucking little beasts INDOORS as they are supposed to be.”

I was gonna ask for a “dead” person but it wouldn’t be fair to either the shooter & the shot at.

So there.

Or call SPCA… I believe in doing this to cats, but not dogs. I am a dog person. Fuck cats at large with owners.

Homeless kitties I can’t blame.

My hubs is all “I don’t want people to let their dogs poop or pee in my lawn much less put their poop bag in my garbage can!”

I’m like STFU at least they’re picking it up & pee doesn’t kill the fucking crabweed we got for fucking grass, ok!?

Poop though, they better fucking pick it up, cause I pick my dog’s!

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I could understand the shooting if the sniff doggie poo poo owner was the one who were shot. However, I think, a better resolution could be satisfied by the invention of a gun that shot doggie dirt. One could make millions! Specifications would be a bit tricky… a gun that shoots both soft and hard poopie, shoot over houses and maintain the the original shape as to hit the target, and one that can be equipped with a silencer (NO FART PUN INTENDED.) I speak from the bottom of my shoes after many unpleasant walks to my curb side mail box.

Dog poop, disputes over childrens discipline, and parking places are always the melt down of a neighborhood. 

Good fences make good neighbors.  (and make sure dog doesn’t go under it, kids don’t climb it, and you dont park next to it!)

Honestly Jgo, I think I do have a bit of dislexia.If there is a type that comes and goes then I have that one.  I also got a new key board  and iam typing more letters then I intend.

LOL

 Have you seen the video of the LA cops shooting a guy that comes out of Hardee’s?   He swung a shovel at them and got shot 10 times.  6 by one guy 4 by another – cops in uniforms with backup and tasers.

The shots took a total of 2-3 seconds got get off – all 10 of them.  After seeing that video I will *never* *ever* think ‘oh that must have been overkill’ – when you are in fear – even a cop can shoot too many times – and with a gun that can empty a clips as fast as you can pull the trigger ‘stopping the threat’ can mean an empty clip.

I’ve never seen that specific video.
There’s something called “Escalation of Force”.  With the Escalation of Force it’s not cut and dry. There are many variables which may not be knowable, or obtainable by someone witnessing the incident from a random starting point on a tape.  It involves perception, words, wording in a report, threat, mitigating factors…etc.  “Guy with shovel shot 10 times, that’s black and white, no such thing as overkill” doesn’t work IRL.

My argument wasn’t that Santana ran after him with a shovel, and Harris was fearing for his life.
My argument was that they had words, Harris whipped it out probably along with curse words threatening Santana, who, through impulsive self-preservation lunged at him, so Harris itched his itchy trigger finger from more than a foot or two away.

Harris “license to carry may have been revoked”, saying he most likely has brandished it and threatened use of it before. (It’s an assumption).  If Harris had obeyed the laws and there was no assumption of danger on Harris’ part towards the General Population, most times his license wouldn’t have been revoked.

Sorry for the long response.  But you cannot compare the two.

The video isn’t that clear.  (I had to go to youtube to find it).

However, he was apparently shot 5 times, according to your link, and he was wielding what appears to be a conduit pipe bender, (what electricians and plumbers would use to bend less than 1 inch conduit, picture inserted…the article thought a sledge hammer?). Conduit benders are pretty solidly made, they would do a LOT more damage than a shovel.

You can also see him rear back and blade his body in an aggressive stance, which says he is poised to attack.  The first set of rounds that were shot, stop when he falls, the second set comes from a different shooter and may have been excessive.  I wasn’t there so those are just my assumptions.

I didn’t intend for my statement to appear that “1 shot and you should always stop” if you feel you must continue firing to neutralize the threat, you’re only free and clear until the threat is gone, after that it may become seen as excessive.  I was postulating that Mr. Harris wasn’t in any immediate danger of bodily harm, UNTIL he brought his gun out, so even 1 shot WAS excessive.

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My uncle’s two Danes each lived to about 15, which is unusual.

No there not Ced, thats what silly europeans thought too, so they wiped out the cat populace, The rats took over,they were infested with fleas that carried the black plague.

A man convicted of gunning down his neighbor in a dispute over dog waste has been sentenced to 20-40 years behind bars..

28-year-old Tyrirk Harris of Tacony was found guilty back in February of third degree murder.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=9081050