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Alyssa Bustamante Pleaded Guilty To Second Degree MurderJEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — That loony chick who murdered a 9-year-old girl because she wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone has pleaded guilty to second-degree murder.

Alyssa Bustamante has pleaded guilty to the October 2009 murder of her neighbor, 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten. She was only 15 when she slit the girl’s throat, strangled her and stabbed her before putting her in a grave she had dug previously.

In court, judge Pat Joyce instructed Bustamante to describe how she killed Olten.

“I strangled her and stabbed her in the chest,” Bustamante said looking the judge in the eye.

“Did you cut her throat too?” the judge asked.

“Yes,” Bustamante responded.

Alyssa Bustamante Pleaded Guilty To Second Degree Murder

Elizabeth Olten

Originally charged with first-degree murder, Bustamante pleaded guilty to the lesser murder charge to avoid a trial and a possible life behind bars. In February, Cole County Circuit Judge Patricia Joyce will decide how long Bustamante will spend in prison. A second-degree murder conviction can carry a sentence from anywhere to 10 years to life with the possibility of parole after about 25 years.

The prosecution agreeing to the lesser charge may have to do with the court blocking a confession Bustamante gave to a highway patrol officer and a juvenile officer back in 2009. Bustamante was interviewed by Highway Patrol Detective David Rice with Juvenile Officer Tobie Meyer present. During this videotaped interview, Bustamante admitted to killing Olten and described how she planned the murder for a week beforehand.

The judge said that Meyers used deceptive practices to illicit the confession, leading Bustamante to believe she was there for her best interests and implied she would only get treatment for her actions, not an adult sentence.

“Ms. Meyer used deceptive tactics during the interrogation of defendant (Bustamante) by telling defendant that she was there as the defendant’s “advocate”,” Judge Joyce wrote in the order to suppress. ”This deception likely mislead the defendant into believing that Ms. Meyer was there to look after her best interests when, in fact, this was not her role.”

Although Bustamante was in the top third of her class at Jefferson City High School and had never been in trouble with the law, she did attempt suicide in 2007, was a cutter and was receiving mental health treatment for depression.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/ericagieras Erica Gieras

    so sad…now two families have lost their children. 

  • Anonymous

    I hope there is some kind of disiplinary action that the police force takes when shit like this happens.  Officers who screw up a case this bad should be held accountable.  I hope they at least give her life.  Very sad for Elizabeth’s family to know that this girl may see them face to face again one day.

  • Anonymous

    I followed this case when it first happened. This bitch actually has a very LARGE fan base (terrifying, I know) along with people adding rawk soundbites to her Youtube videos. Because, ya know…it’s cool nowadays to worship little girls who kill innocent children for sport. 

  • Anonymous
  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    Whatever her sentence, LE needs to keep tabs on her.  I have a feeling that anyone who would kill a little girl just to know what it feels like to kill someone is a sociopath, and given the opportunity, she will kill again with the same detachment, just to see if it feels the same.

  • http://twitter.com/natashaleigh natashaleigh

    I really hope she gets the max for the 2nd degree murder charge. I don’t want her to have the pleasure of getting out and having her own child or children when she stabbed, choked, slit the throat and literally dug a grave for someone elses baby.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t doubt it. I’m sure a big part of her is still proud of it. She looks like a damn wannabe juggalo. Gross… They’ll blame it on her depression & she won’t serve what she should. It’s sad.

  • SK

    OH MY GOD, SHE WAS TABBED?! how horrible!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see what the big deal is here, she said she only wanted to see what it felt like to kill someone. Now she knows, what’s the chance she’ll do it again? 

  • Anonymous

    She reminds me of something you buy at Kmart, looks good in the store but when you get it home and use it a little it “Komes-a-part” , that’s why we always call Kmart ,Kameapart.
    This one needs to be sent back to the factory for a rework.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shannon-Bennett/1803988499 Shannon Bennett

    Most definitely a sociopath! I guess what ever treatment she was receiving for her mental issues was not working out at all unfortunately.

  • CT

    I know I shouldn’t laugh but you are right.  I’d say It’s almost as bad as being macked up side the head with a frying pan.  I love my frying pan. 

  • LeaveMeBe

    Ewww! Ugh! You’re right, it is horrible! I don’t know how my mother and her friend could stand to drink the stuff.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shannon-Bennett/1803988499 Shannon Bennett

    No rework … Something like this just needs to be discontinued!

  • CT

    I recently got a fake diet Mountain Dew at my local Harris Teeter.  That is some god awful shit.  My husband kept trying to tell me it was exactly the same.  Cheap bastard.  Has a fit if I buy fake Reeses Peanut Butter cereal but trying to get me to drink fake Mountain Dew – may as well be Tab. 

  • Anonymous

    I know, I hate being tabbed it makes me grouchy.

  • Anonymous

    you say…  next it’s “i want to know what is feels like to kill on thursday,”  ”i want to know what is feels like to kill in my cute purple outfit,”  ”i want to know what it feels like to kill with the taste of freshly eaten bacon in my mouth…”

    bundy, dahmer, gacy… they all had it.  

  • Anonymous

    Now, now, people we would not want to upset or inconvenience the little darling.Grrr!

  • LeaveMeBe

    This story made me sick the first time I read it and now I am even more ill knowing she even got a chance to plead to a lesser charge. This soulless monster, at the maximum, gets a life sentence with the possibility of parole even though she single-handedly premediatated and carried out the torture-just-for-curiousity-murder of an innocent 9 year old girl all because an adult who works in the juvenile court system doesn’t know how to do her job. If I were this little girl’s parents, I’d be wanting a go at Officer Tobie for helping my child’s murderer get a lighter sentence.

  • Anonymous

    Do you know what it feels like to kill someone… On weeeed?

  • Anonymous

    More cost effective to just destroy defective units.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    That was exactly my thought. If this bitch gets out and has kids…

  • Anonymous

    I’d be willing to bet she crossed the line from sociopath to psychopath years ago.

  • Anonymous

    Well hell, don’t we all want to know what it’s like to kill someone in our cute purple outfit? I will make an educated guess on what killing someone on a Thursday feels like after dealing with mouth breathers all week, satisfying. I bet it’s really satisfying. 
    I might be in a bit of a bad mood, had to renew my driver’s license and since we all know how evil Mexicans are the DMV needed to crawl up my ass with a microscope. I thought white people didn’t have to deal with this crap otherwise what’s the point?  

  • Anonymous

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out when the Justice system became the popular game show “Let’s Make a Deal”.

    “Ok, Alyssa.  For pleading to the lesser charge of murder, you get door #1.  For pleading guilty to murder, you get door #2.  Which door shall it be?”

    Which is the lesser of 2 evils?  Killing to see what it feels like, or admitting it to get a lesser sentence.  Maybe they are both equally “evil”. 

  • Anonymous

    You can tell hubby anti freeze is about the same color as mountain do to, but I would not drink it.I understand your frustration.

  • Anonymous

    I think she needs to be sent to the scrap yard or bone yard if you prefer.

  • Anonymous

    Silly girl, now why would you assume that? :p

  • Anonymous

    That frost my cookies too.Why are some of the criminals I read about having a choice. Fuck them. You should not be allowed to plead to a lesser sentence.GRRRR

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TVF6LWEKC2ULLOD2P2VTPFWBFU boogababy

    First of all , IDC if she’s a kid or not.. That idiot who questioned her f@cked it and saved this little psychos life. People need to look at the crime , the premeditation and stop looking at this little psychos age and stop thinking she will “grow” out of it. Murder is not a phase. This girl is obviously obsessed with death and blood. There is no “getting” better for her. With that idiots mistake this little bitch gonna get out in a couple years, after she’s learned more ways to commit crimes and better ways to hide them spending her time in Jail swapping stories. F@cking blind ass people, oh poor little girl, poor little girl NOTHING. these teens today are MONSTERS. You guys need to wake up and stop this sentimental BS. She should be serving a real freaking sentence. She’s probably going to serve like 2 whole years in reality. While her victim is dead. Her life taken away. We need to change our Jail system model it after the 3rd world country Jails, because she’s just chilling in a big ass group home for a couple yrs while her vic rots in her grave.

  • Anonymous

    You have evil microscopic Mexicans hiding in your ass!?

    Actually, that explains a lot…

  • Anonymous

    Fucking technicality.
    RIP Elizabeth.

  • Anonymous

    Fucking technicality.
    RIP Elizabeth.

  • Anonymous

    Fucking technicality.
    RIP Elizabeth.

  • Anonymous

    Fucking technicality.
    RIP Elizabeth.

  • Anonymous

    Fucking technicality.
    RIP Elizabeth.

  • Anonymous

    Fucking technicality.
    RIP Elizabeth.

  • Anonymous

    Fucking technicality.
    RIP Elizabeth.

  • Anonymous

    I concur.  Even a 3 y/o has an idea of what is right and what is wrong and will base their actions accordingly.  Alyssa knew right from wrong but just didn’t give a rat’s ass.  There should be no plea bargaining.  She won’t get “better”, she won’t get a conscious and will likely re-offend again.  

    As a society, I believe we need to get away from focusing on the perps and start focusing on the victims, including all those impacted by the perps actions. 

  • Anonymous

    I concur.  Even a 3 y/o has an idea of what is right and what is wrong and will base their actions accordingly.  Alyssa knew right from wrong but just didn’t give a rat’s ass.  There should be no plea bargaining.  She won’t get “better”, she won’t get a conscious and will likely re-offend again.  

    As a society, I believe we need to get away from focusing on the perps and start focusing on the victims, including all those impacted by the perps actions. 

  • Anonymous

    I concur.  Even a 3 y/o has an idea of what is right and what is wrong and will base their actions accordingly.  Alyssa knew right from wrong but just didn’t give a rat’s ass.  There should be no plea bargaining.  She won’t get “better”, she won’t get a conscious and will likely re-offend again.  

    As a society, I believe we need to get away from focusing on the perps and start focusing on the victims, including all those impacted by the perps actions. 

  • Anonymous

    I concur.  Even a 3 y/o has an idea of what is right and what is wrong and will base their actions accordingly.  Alyssa knew right from wrong but just didn’t give a rat’s ass.  There should be no plea bargaining.  She won’t get “better”, she won’t get a conscious and will likely re-offend again.  

    As a society, I believe we need to get away from focusing on the perps and start focusing on the victims, including all those impacted by the perps actions. 

  • Anonymous

    I concur.  Even a 3 y/o has an idea of what is right and what is wrong and will base their actions accordingly.  Alyssa knew right from wrong but just didn’t give a rat’s ass.  There should be no plea bargaining.  She won’t get “better”, she won’t get a conscious and will likely re-offend again.  

    As a society, I believe we need to get away from focusing on the perps and start focusing on the victims, including all those impacted by the perps actions. 

  • Anonymous

    I concur.  Even a 3 y/o has an idea of what is right and what is wrong and will base their actions accordingly.  Alyssa knew right from wrong but just didn’t give a rat’s ass.  There should be no plea bargaining.  She won’t get “better”, she won’t get a conscious and will likely re-offend again.  

    As a society, I believe we need to get away from focusing on the perps and start focusing on the victims, including all those impacted by the perps actions. 

  • Anonymous

    I concur.  Even a 3 y/o has an idea of what is right and what is wrong and will base their actions accordingly.  Alyssa knew right from wrong but just didn’t give a rat’s ass.  There should be no plea bargaining.  She won’t get “better”, she won’t get a conscious and will likely re-offend again.  

    As a society, I believe we need to get away from focusing on the perps and start focusing on the victims, including all those impacted by the perps actions. 

  • Anonymous

    The Department of Homeland Security seems to thinks we all do. Until I prove I’m me to the government I guess they assume they’ll crawl out and take our jobs. However, they did put a gold star on my license now; since I’m Real ID compliant. How’s that for patronizing?

  • Anonymous

    The Department of Homeland Security seems to thinks we all do. Until I prove I’m me to the government I guess they assume they’ll crawl out and take our jobs. However, they did put a gold star on my license now; since I’m Real ID compliant. How’s that for patronizing?

  • Anonymous

    The Department of Homeland Security seems to thinks we all do. Until I prove I’m me to the government I guess they assume they’ll crawl out and take our jobs. However, they did put a gold star on my license now; since I’m Real ID compliant. How’s that for patronizing?

  • Anonymous

    The Department of Homeland Security seems to thinks we all do. Until I prove I’m me to the government I guess they assume they’ll crawl out and take our jobs. However, they did put a gold star on my license now; since I’m Real ID compliant. How’s that for patronizing?

  • Anonymous

    The Department of Homeland Security seems to thinks we all do. Until I prove I’m me to the government I guess they assume they’ll crawl out and take our jobs. However, they did put a gold star on my license now; since I’m Real ID compliant. How’s that for patronizing?

  • Anonymous

    The Department of Homeland Security seems to thinks we all do. Until I prove I’m me to the government I guess they assume they’ll crawl out and take our jobs. However, they did put a gold star on my license now; since I’m Real ID compliant. How’s that for patronizing?

  • Anonymous

    The Department of Homeland Security seems to thinks we all do. Until I prove I’m me to the government I guess they assume they’ll crawl out and take our jobs. However, they did put a gold star on my license now; since I’m Real ID compliant. How’s that for patronizing?

  • LeaveMeBe

    Ahhh-rrrrrrriba!!! Fiesta in DKOS’s ass. :D  

  • LeaveMeBe

    Ahhh-rrrrrrriba!!! Fiesta in DKOS’s ass. :D  

  • LeaveMeBe

    Ahhh-rrrrrrriba!!! Fiesta in DKOS’s ass. :D  

  • LeaveMeBe

    Ahhh-rrrrrrriba!!! Fiesta in DKOS’s ass. :D  

  • LeaveMeBe

    Ahhh-rrrrrrriba!!! Fiesta in DKOS’s ass. :D  

  • Athena

    Is it seriously a gold star?  If so, that’s hilarious.  Sometimes, I appreciate the government’s sense of humor.

  • Athena

    Trials are very expensive.  Not all criminals are offered pleas.  But, in this case, the prosecution made the right choice.  Not only does the technicality regarding the dishonest interrogation pose a serious problem, but a prosecutor doesn’t necessarily want to bet on a jury finding a young female guilty of 1st degree murder, no matter how heinous the crime.

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Speaking as a person who has suffered from depression since around the age of 7 all I can say is fuck this bitch. Depression can mak you want to kill yourself, not someone else. Med’s can make your thoughts of suicide stronger but I’ve never known them to make you want to just kill random people.

  • Anonymous

    “I strangled her and stabbed her in the chest,” Bustamante said looking the judge in the eye.
    “Did you cut her throat too?” the judge asked.
    “Yes,” Bustamante responded.

    SECOND Degree murder!?! WTF!?

  • Anonymous

    I wish I was kidding. I’m not, it’s a gold star in the top right corner.

  • Athena

    We have the harshest sentencing guidelines in the entire Western world.  I think, if people want to model the justice system after third-world examples, they should try life out in one of those third-world countries for a few years.

    As a society, it shouldn’t be about the perps OR the victims.  It should be about the likelihood to re-offend.  The fact of the matter is that incarceration costs money.  In Missouri, over $16,500 annually.  That means, if she lives in prison to a females average life expectancy, it will have costed well over $1,000,000 just to house her.  I want her incarceration or release to be dependent on her likelihood to re-offend.  If recidivism is unlikely, I’d just assume turn her loose to start repaying her debt to the state budget.  Keeping people who are highly unlikely to re-offend incarcerated for life simply on principle isn’t fiscally responsible.

  • Athena

    I’m glad you’re not kidding.  That’s awesome. :P

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Woooww… that’s ridiculous.

  • Athena

    Actually, depression has certainly been known to cause aggression/hostility in some sufferers, especially in those who suffer manic depression.  That said, I’m quite sure that’s not what happened here.  

  • Anonymous

    Lmao DKS

  • Anonymous

    I know Athena , but it is still upsetting.

  • Anonymous

    who are you guys your referring to?3rd world country jails would do nothing for those who are actually innocent but sent to prison. It does happen unfortunately.Not all people in prison are in there for a long stint.I hardly think they deserve to be abused like in a 3rd world country.

  • http://truecrimereport.com iLLusionS

    Yeah unfortunatley this chick isn’t like a bruised apple, you can’t “cut out” tha bad parts….But boy wouldn’t that be fun…I think I want to see what THAT feels like!!!

  • Anonymous

    i pictured you differently…

  • shannie

     I think, if people want to model the justice system after third-world
    examples, they should try life out in one of those third-world countries
    for a few years.

    Whoa, we are better than third world countries, that’s the point. And to say”it isn’t about the perps or the victims. It should be about the likelihood to re-offend” is saying that it’s about the perp… What’s the likely hood that the victim will recover? None… if the victim is dead.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, most people mistake me for a hot chick when in reality I am a male metro government ID model who is disable enough to have ADA endorsed on my license, but still rides a motorcycle. :P

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for being one of the few that thinks about these things rationally.

  • Athena

    There’s a difference between the perp and the perp’s likelihood to re-offend.  The perp is a person.  Their likelihood to re-offend is number or ranking. It being about the perp is how most look at it currently:  ”He/she killed someone.  They deserve to rot in prison.”  When I say it shouldn’t be about the perp, I mean it shouldn’t be about what they may or may not deserve.  What any given criminal *deserves* is intangible and relative, and it takes away from the facts.  Especially in a recession like this, we should be focusing on ways to reduce cost without putting the public at risk.  It’s a consideration entirely separate from what the convict deserves or what the victim or their families have lost, because those are things we can’t make right either way.

  • SK

    Try root beer from the dollar store.. ‘Dad’s old fashion root beer’   … a similar taste would be making out with that chick with shit smeared on her face (a wonderful pic from DD) then chugging pepto. nomnomnom

  • shannie

    I highly doubt a rape victim or the parents of child who was senselessly murdered is worried about the recession…I’m not ignorant to the fact that it’s expensive to house an inmate, but I’m also sensitive to the feelings of the families and victims that are left behind.  I disagree with you and think that there is always a cost saving solution to make those who commit the worst offenses pay, and let the victims and the families rest at night.  The problem being is we coddle and baby the criminals, especially youth offenders. If we gonna get into budget reform and all that, I have my ideas as I’m sure you have yours, but that’s getting too far off point.
    Bottom line, we worry too much about the offender, and not the victim.

  • Anonymous

    I frequently have disproportionate feelings of rage as part of my depression, but I’m fairly confident I’ll never get violent because of it. I occasionally WANT to kill someone, and I even fantasize about it in what I believe is a reasonably healthy way (my fantasies always end with me getting arrested, lol), but I won’t do it. And I think I have had the absolute worst depression you can have without killing yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Look, this girl is disgusting, but there’s no excuse to call her a juggalo. That’s just uncalled for.

  • Athena

    No, it’s not that we “worry” about the offenders.  My position on the matter has absolutely zero to do with Bustamante.  No sympathy.  No concern.  My concern is for the justice system at large and taxpayer burden.  I don’t mean to sound unsympathetic to the victims and their families, but if we let them dictate how we dole out justice, things would be out of control quickly.  The less emotion we infuse into the process, the better for society in general.  Nothing will make a rape victim un-raped.  Nothing with make a murder victim un-dead.  So we should be focusing on what we CAN do, which is maximize benefit to society.  

    But, yes, I realize not many agree with me on this, and I am content to agree to disagree. :)

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    I have intense feelings of rage as well (almost pressure cooker like feeling) and I have also wanted to kill someone but I never attributed it to my depression. Just anger issues. Who knows, maybe it is my depression…I need to research that.

    Not sure how to measure ones depression but I am a 4 time suicide survivor. **shrug** Gave up since apparently I’m not supposed to be dead yet because I put forth damn good efforts. LOL Good thing, I happy I got to meet my babies.

  • shannie

    I knew this would go so off point one way or the other..yes, we can agree to disagree, because unlike you I believe we need MORE emotion for the better of society, it’s totally lacking if you ask me.
    I said nothing about letting victims dictate how to dole out justice…I said I was sensitive to how they feel…
    And I do think we “worry” too much about the criminal offenders…look at your first post, you spoke of recidivism..Finding out if a criminal is going to reoffend isn’t cheap, and it takes many steps for some of the worst offenders to get put through rehab, and readjusting, using up Judges to okay it, counselors, psychs, and doctors,etc., just for them to harm another.   Who’s paying for that? I know what you mean about Alyssa, but look at the guy who is on this site, just this morning..8 years for  what he did to that infant and the Judges’ hands were tied, he couldn’t do anymore but sentence him to the max of 8 effing years… laws need to be changed. Fuck the criminals. I’d rather pay for that asshole to eat steak for 60 years before I would want him on the streets in 8 years to beat and blind an innocent baby..

    Well, maybe not steak, but you get my point..:)

  • Anonymous

    My best friend ,she just has
    announced her wedding with a millionaire young man Ronald who is the CEO of a
    MNC ! They met via RichFlirt.org….it’s where for men and women looking for
    comp’anionship for a fabu’lous lifestyle, maybe you want to try it out :) .
    …you don’t have to be rich there ,but you can meet one. It’s worth a try.

  • misty powell

    when  i  get  angry  at  someone  who  has  hurt  me  over  and  over  again  i  simply  say  i  forgive  you  and  i  move  on  with  my  life  because  life  is  too  precious  and  valuable  to  ruin  your  own  life  over  stupid  people

  • misty powell

    in  fact  i  forgive  all  of  the  people  who  have  hurt  me  because  i  just  dont  need  to  deal  with  unneccessary  bullshit  i  am  a  much  better  and  happier  person  for  it

  • Anonymous

    Iam glad you did not succeed as well :)

  • Anonymous

    maybe we can liven up the fiesta in there with an mp4 player…

  • Anonymous

    I empathize with you I also suffer from depression and have been suicidal.Iam a very emotional person and I think that has alot to do with it.Doing the kind of work you do angel helps.

  • Anonymous

    Thats what is is angel Athena is right. I also had to deal with rage, and thats one of the worst feelings.I would not wish that on anyone.

  • Jemimabean

    She “attempted” suicide in 2007- how sad for the Olten family that she didn’t get it right, the little bitch!!!

  • Anonymous

    I was just thinking this after reading Athena’s post. I’ve been known to get aggressive and I wonder now if that’s why.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, but I only stream Pandora to my ass.

  • Anonymous

    I can totally see both sides of this argument and both of you have valid points. Let me give you a bit of background real quick so my points make some sense. My father was killed by a drunk driver when I was a child. My mother had always been teetering on the edge of looney and this sent her over that edge. I spent the my childhood alternately taking care of my drunk mother, getting beat by her, taking care of my sister, and going in and out of a mental hospital. It is safe to say that this man ruined my life and I am qualified to speak as a victim of crime.
    When I was a kid I wanted nothing more than for this man to die. Looking back on everything with the wisdom of an adult and not the anger of a child I can see I was wrong. This man never drove a car drunk again, thankfully he had learned that lesson. He did spend time in jail, but I think his sentence was far better served after he got out and started his community service and had to talk about what he had done in front of others. A year ago he died of the coast by drowning and it made me navel gaze for a few days until I realized that I had forgiven him and moved on with my life. His prison sentence, in my mind, was a completely wasted punishment. 
    Now, I don’t think Athena is advocating just letting murderers and rapists run free. What she is saying is that people are too quick to just want someone thrown in jail. If we were smarter about who we put in prison and who we used other forms of punishment on than we might have the money to keep the people who need to be there in jail. On this point I can agree with her. Yes, it might hurt the victims thirst for revenge, because at that point it is not a desire for justice, it is a desire for revenge. Eventually, most people will get over that initial impulse and be able to look at things more objectively.
    Personally I would rather have my money go toward evaluation, rehabilitation, drug programs, and education that can keep a criminal from reoffending then paying to house them indefinitely because some people want to throw away the key.

  • Anonymous

    When I was young I definitely wanted to kill people. I would get so mad I would fantasize about ripping someone’s arm off and beating them to death with it. I had no doubt if pushed in the right direction I could have hurt someone really badly. However, I don’t think I have it in me to actually cross the line and kill. At some point my guilt/empathy about what I’m doing to another living person would stop me. That’s the difference, that little mechanism in the brain that just won’t let you do it, no matter how pissed off you are. People who kill in circumstances like this are just missing something and we don’t know how to fix it yet, if we ever will.

  • shannie

    I am so sorry about your father and the chain of events that followed…I totally understand how you feel and don’t think Athena is saying she’s for rapists and murderers run. When it comes to a drunk driving and and a death from that act…you have so many different mitigating factors playing out, how drunk was the driver, has he done this before, how DWI does he have…Where as with Pedophiles, there is nothing anyone could tell me to make me think that they can be rehabilitated, same with rapists,(I’m talking rapists, not statutory, or some bullshit rape charge, rapists)…So maybe the argument is just about perception. Because I def am against every single crime having some ridiculous sentence and no rehab. But there are crimes to me that are without a doubt so sick, no rehab or evaluation is going to persuade me to want that criminal in my neighborhood.

  • Anonymous

    Imagine she gets out and has children? She has no remorse

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    If that was my child this evil Bitch murdered I would be waiting on her ass to get out of prison.I would even go to her parole hearings and testify that I have forgiven her.This Bitch would disappear soon after her release – it would be like trying to find D.B.Cooper,after I finished with her.

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    She has me wondering as well…this whole time I just thought I had anger issues. It has been kept under control because I know now to walk away before that pressure cooker feeling even starts.

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Thank you Lena60. :)

  • Anonymous

    The question then becomes… who gets to decide whether the offender is likely to re-offend? In the previous story, man abuses his first child, goes through anger management and parenting classes and someone decides he’s “rehabilitated” just in time for him to have another kid and beat him until he was blind and brain-damaged. For me, it’s not about their likelihood to re-offend, but rather their punishment for what they’ve done and hopefully that may be used as a deterrent to others in the future. I understand punishment is not always a deterrent for all people,if it were there would be no murders in Texas where they have an express lane to the death penalty. I think if you start letting murderers and rapists go free due to budget constraints (ahem, Gov. Haley Barbour), we’re going to start having a whole lot of lawlessness and vigilante justice. I get your position, I really do. And I don’t know the answer. I just know I wouldn’t want to be the one deciding that people are no longer a threat to society and finding out they  just killed or maimed another person due to my analysis.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

     ”Keeping people who are highly unlikely to re-offend incarcerated for life simply on principle isn’t fiscally responsible.”

    Once a person kills in a way that is not justified by law the best way to deal with them is to execute,and to execute promptly.I am talking about open,and shut cases like this one – no one is saying this pathetic excuse for a human is innocent – everyone knows she is guilty.The fact is – once a person murders someone it increases the likely hood that that particular person may one day kill again.This is why animals that kill people are always put down.

  • shannie

    Yep..the rehab counselor will say it was the psychiatrists fault, he will blame the psychologist, the parole board will blame the pre-parole board, and so on and so forth while they all are being paid with our money…

  • Anonymous

    I like a classy broad. <3

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    I think that there’s a damned good chance that Bustamante WILL do it again.

  • Anonymous

    Hell, thanks Athena for making us think about hard stuff. ;)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/WildlifeSeriaLKiller Darrell FIne

    …pfffft… I don’t suffer from depression and I want to stab people every day! People just piss me off.

  • Athena

    Practically the whole of Europe has a rehab-based, “lax” sentencing system… and they ALL have a lower crime rate than we do.  Granted, there are several factors that contribute to our unusually high crime rate, but the difference between their recidivism rates and our recidivism rates does suggest that our punitive-focused system may not be the most successful on the block.  And it’s logical.  Which creates more progress in children?  Beating them, or giving them structure and education?  In many ways, our convicts are like children.  This one was, literally.  But even generally speaking, you’re talking about individuals who lack education, lacked involved parents, lacked all the things people like you and I probably take for granted.  They didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell out of the gate, and rehab can correct this for them.  

    You say “just for them to harm another,” and I understand that position.  But it’s one largely based in ignorance.  Statistically, juvenile female murderers are one of the – if not THE – least likely to re-offend.  I understand the fear that released criminals will go right back to their old ways when released, but there are factors that make a person more or less likely.  Gang affiliation is what drives a lot of violent crime recidivism, for example.

  • shannie

    This went way off point, we already went through that what we were debating was not Alyssa, a juvenile female murderer. You can see from my posts exactly what types of criminals I’m referencing. And I’m done once someone brings Europe into a debate, sorry. :)

  • Anonymous

    True. You rarely hear an MD called a drug dealer, but that is exactly what they are, especially head shrinkers.

  • Anonymous

    If you notice, the victim’s name, [Elizabeth] sounds very similar to the killer’s first name with first syllable of her last name. It’s a stretch, but maybe sub-consciously she was trying to kill herself. Wish she woulda really done that and left Elizabeth alone. RIP

  • Anonymous

    Exactly and woah to her future husband if he does something she doesn’t like. These types ALWAYS kill again. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Megan-Stokes-Abdin/659843306 Megan Stokes Abdin

    I agree with that because I know I get hostile and have been depressed on and off for 15 years but I have NEVER EVER even contemplated killing someone. This psychotic person dug not one but two graves. She had planned on killing her little brothers but when that plan was somehow messed up she chose a little girl from down the street. Depressed people react in hostile ways but do not premeditate and then carry out a murder. Even the manic people. These people have ups and downs that can last for days but even then murder is a process that takes time, more than a few days. And I agree with you Athena it did not happen this way. She is a waste of life and I pray this monster gets the maximum sentence 25 years too bad it can’t be forever like the amount of time Elizabeth’s parents have to wait to be reunited in the afterlife with their child.

  • Athena

    Ideally, we’ll leave as little to the judgment of an individual as possible.  The government is constantly commissioning research on recidivism.  Unfortunately, very little has been done on female criminals in general, but especially a sub-set as rare as the non gang affiliated, female juvenile murderer.  That said, based on recidivism stats regarding non gang affiliated juvenile murderers in general, recidivism is rare.  If I recall correctly, something like one in a hundred actually kill again.  So, while I would HATE to be the person who stamps “Release” on that one prisoner’s file, I also don’t see the sense of keeping the other 99 incarcerated just to be on the super safe side.  Besides, the money we could save by limiting sentences could be redirected to rehabilitation programs that might turn that one in 100 to zero in one hundred.

    And I don’t see any reason to criticize Gov. Barbour’s actions until there’s actually evidence that it was a bad idea.  If every one of those individuals takes full advantage of their second chance and becomes upstanding, tax paying citizens, what then?  Lots of states have released prisoners due to budget restraints (CA being the most large-scale and recent, to my knowledge), and we’ve yet to see widespread lawlessness or vigilantism as a result.

    We know that some offenders are more likely to reoffend than others.  It only makes sense to identify which are which and deal with them accordingly.    

  • Athena

    The Supreme Court has ruled it unconstitutional to execute juveniles.  Also, murderers are, statistically, among the least likely to reoffend.

  • Anonymous

    Yup

  • Anonymous

    You’re not wrong, and I know murderers may be least likely to re-offend. And like you said, maybe the key lies in identifying which offenders are most likely to end up back in prison. I just think of situations like Joshua Komisarjevsky and Steven Hayes, where they had never committed murder before (I don’t think) but had a record of previous offenses for drug crimes and robberies that read like War and Peace and while Hayes had served out his sentence, Komisarjevsky manipulated the parole board into letting him out early… he was rehabilitated. Nobody can say that him getting out early necessarily resulted in the lives of three people – he may have murdered people even if he had served out his sentence, but I bet Dr. Petit sure wishes he had served out his sentence and and not been paroled early. I just don’t trust the opinions of people who are to determine the remorse and likelihood to re-offend of a manipulative psychopath.

  • alexandra wolf

    fuck this scene bitch. obviously she had legit mental problems since she killed this little kid but seriously? aside from that shes the cookie cutter scene kid – “depression”, cutting because its cool, excess of self portraits.. etc. i want to kill her

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    She wrote in her diary after killing Elizabeth, gushing that it felt “ahmazing” to kill. I am so fucking disgusted today, it’s like I have read story after story and update after update of utter bullshit!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097307/I-just-f–ing-killed-ahmazing-The-sick-diary-entries-Alyssa-Bustamante-strangled-stabbed-neighbor-aged-9.html

  • Anonymous

    Yep.  This is a game changer.  How devastating for the Olten and Preiss families.

    Mostly more of the same, but there’s a handful of different tidbits here:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mo-teen-describes-killing-amazing-enjoyable-15523420#.TzB5I-NAZIU

    From Alyssa, about how it’s all her cellphone’s fault: “If I don’t talk about it, I bottle it up, and when I explode someone’s going to die.”

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    “Autopsy results revealed in court Monday show Elizabeth was strangled so
    hard it could have caused brain death, had throat slits potentially
    indicative of torture and was stabbed eight times in the chest.”

    That wasn’t in the link I provided. It straight gave me chills up my spine. What a fucked up, evil little troll that girl is. I can’t imagine what it must have been like for Elizabeth’s family to hear those things. Sometimes, with this shit, man… I just can’t even…

  • Anonymous

    She got the maximum: life with the possibility of parole in 25 years.  Her comments at sentencing reflect the first time we’ve been able to see anything resembling remorse from Bustamante.

    This is a tiny video blurb on the sentencing:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/missouri-teen-sentenced-killing-neighbor-15541119

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssasMommy01 AlyssasMommy01

    My thoughts exactly, The poor little girl she murdered did not get a choice, no criminal should have a choice. They lost that privelige when they decided to be criminals

  • http://www.facebook.com/weejodie Jodie Woolner

    They need to commit her, she is obviously very sick, dangerous and predatory. Chilling.