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Teen Kills Herself By Stepping In Front Of Bus, Family Blames BullyingStaten Island, NY – I’m sure a lot of you have read about 15-year-old Amanda Cummings by now. For those of you who haven’t, two days after Christmas, she purposely stepped in front of a city bus while carrying a four page suicide note.

She would later die at the hospital from blunt force trauma and skull fractures and her family is blaming bullying for her death. The family claims she was bullied throughout school, even in the days before her decision to end her life. Her uncle has stated he wants justice and will push this as far as he can, in an effort to ensure those who pushed her over the edge are held accountable.

“I’m not going to tolerate this,” he said. “I’m gonna go full force. Kids can’t do this to each other.”

Her mother echoed the same sentiments stating, “This entire tragedy is far, far from over,” she wrote. “I am no where done with this.”

Her sister, Dawn, recently wrote, in part, “I AM BEGGING YOU KIDS, ANYONE WITH ANY CONCRETE PROOF OF BULLYING TOWARD MY SISTER, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. PLEASE. I NEED WITNESSES…”

But I feel Cumming’s family are facing an uphill battle, even if cops are examining Cumming’s cell phone, as it seems the main reason why Cummings killed herself had less to do with bullying and more to do over her 19-year-old boyfriend dumping her. While the entire contents of her suicide note have not been released, she reportedly does reference her recent breakup.

Teen Kills Herself By Stepping In Front Of Bus, Family Blames BullyingThe bullying the family speaks of  is the result of a love triangle Cummings found herself involved in that had her rival, and a group of her rival’s friends, sending her nasty text messages and threats that I have a real hard time believing were not going both ways.

But even if they weren’t, Cummings’ Facebook is littered with talks about killing herself, and I am curious as to why all of her concerned family and friends seemed to have waited until now to do get involved.

“I want to die,” she wrote on Oct. 20.

“R.I.P. Amanda Cummings, she passed away from a heartattack 30minutes ago, If u read this & wuldnt care stop reading, If ud go to my funeral (LMS),If ud cry or be sad comment with a heart. make this ur status nd see what u get,” she wrote Nov. 16.

“ill just go fuck myself, just like u said baby, then ill go kill myself, with these pills, this knife, this life has already done half the job. -___-,” she wrote on Dec. 1.

“Mad people are turning against me :’( im spending this sat nitealone in my room crying.” she wrote on Dec 3.

On the day she stepped in front of a bus she wrote, “So much pain right now. Everyones ignoring mee. Fml.”

An hour before she left the house for the last time she wrote, “… Nd ill die tomight crying over you..”

This all posted by a girl who law enforcement say was anorexic and a cutter, hospitalized two years ago for expressing desires to kill herself. I’m not saying that bullying didn’t play a role in Cumming’s death, but I am saying this girl had some obvious, longstanding mental issues and unable to deal with all the things, not just bullying, most teens go through at some point or another.

It’s not that feel bullying should be tolerated, or that people involved in cases where extreme bullying or hazing leads to someone getting hurt should go unpunished, but i cannot get behind laws that can lead to teenagers facing jail time because they called a mentally unstable kid a name in a text message.

But that’s the hope of New York state senator Jeffrey Klein, as well as the people backing his cyber-bullying statute. “My statute will be the only one that will criminalize cyberbullying,” Klein told reporters.

“Potentially someone who commits the crime of cyberbullying could do up to a year in jail,” Klein said while mentioning Amanda Cummings’s suicide specifically as part of the need to punish and to prevent cyberbullying.

“If people know they’re going to be punished with a crime, even a misdemeanor, they don’t commit the crime,” Klein said with a straight face.

And the death penalty keeps people from committing murder. If anyone thinks that passing a law to keep teenagers from being mean will actually keep them from being mean, then I got a bridge I’d like to sell you. Look, I feel for Cumming’s friends and family and they have my deepest condolences. I have a teens of my own and couldn’t imagine what they are going through and hate when kids choose this route to solve a problem. But I got better ways to put a dent in teen bullying and suicides that don’t involve politicians…

How about working with teens to make bullying socially unacceptable and something, if observed, they should get involved in before one of their peers kisses a speeding bus, not afterwards so they can run to Facebook to post “RIP” and make Memorial pages. How about parents paying attention to what their kids are doing online so they aren’t finding out after their kid is found hanging in a closet. I know, it’s radical thinking, but it just might work.

It sure makes more sense to me than a band-aid law that would potentially send a teen to jail because the 15-year-old ex-girlfriend of their current boyfriend wasn’t mentally equipped to deal with a break-up and some nasty texts.

Flame on!

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  • Anonymous

    I haven’t heard nothing until now. She looked like a striking beauty. Its a shame s
    ome fat asshole was jealous of that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Garcia/100000746322144 Rebecca Garcia

    yep, parents need to be more pro-active. Bullying needs to be socially unacceptable. And politics need to keep their filthy hands off the subject. 

    Sounds like she was left to her own endeavors and the parents are a tad bit late. 

    She was pretty too  < /3

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    I read this the other day, and the article I read was trying to make it seem like it was solely because of bullying. I’m glad you put more information in this article, so that we can get a better feel for her background. And I’m with you; I think that if she had other mental problems, her parents should have gotten her help in other ways. If this was going on for so long, she was probably chemically imbalanced and that was exacerbated by the situational problems she was having. There is chemical depression, and there is situational depression, and it sounds like she had some of both. I realize that she was bullied, and that upsets me, but if she had been given the tools to deal with her depression and her emotions, she might still be here.

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t have said it better myself Morbid! Great write up! My condolences to her family & friends & may she finally be at peace. Suicide is never the answer

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    I am in favor of a law which would apply to extreme,or aggravated cases of bullying.As for Amanda here – it seems like her friends and family dropped the ball;Amanda obviously needed some help,and not just with bullies,seems her own mind at some point had turned against her.Why wasn’t someone monitoring her facebook ?

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately that’s the way of society now. No one wants to accept personal responsibility for their own actions. Like the kid who got shot yesterday for pointing a fake gun at cops and now the parents are crying foul instead of accepting that their child made a very poor choice that cost him his life. 

  • http://twitter.com/FijiMermaid Fiji Mermaid

    I’m finding it hard to get past her being 15 and dating a 19 yr old and she was allowed to do so… that speaks to what Rebecca Garcia said in her comment, that she wasn’t supervised very well, how could they miss those glaring FB posts of suicide speech. 

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    I also have a HUGE problem with the way she killed herself. She didn’t think that bus driver would be fucked up for life knowing he/she hit her? I bet that driver is torn up.

  • Anonymous

    just can’t wrap my head around the parents role in this.  I guess if she had been threatening suicide for years you just don’t know what to do.  Very tragic, but I’m glad you put more details in here Morbid.  As others have said, everything I read attributed it all to bullying. 

  • Anonymous

    15 with a 19 year old boyfriend? Eating disorders and cutting? All that before supposedly being bullied ?
    It seems like this is her families responsibility first & foremost especially if the bullying stemmed from a relationship with the 19 year old….take him out of the equasion & she wouldnt have had the drama with the other girls!
    I get the family is sad & they have my condolences but instead of rounding up the bullies to blame they need to own up to them failing their daughter (i.e the age of consent in NY is 17.Did they not think her involved with the 19 year old was not only illegal but unhealthy?)Unfortunately I dont think they can see past their grief to their own failings and will stay in denial.Sad all around!

  • Anonymous

    This is a fucking epidemic! How the hell are we raising our kids today if they can’t stand up to a damn bully?? She couldn’t cope because no one taught her to. Same as all the others, no fucking coping skills & our world (remember, they’re the fucking future!) is falling apart.
    It was posted on FB recently, a friend asking for prayers because a neighbor girl did this same thing – I got MAD….now I’m even more mad. WTF.
    We. Were. ALL. Bullied. And we fucking survived & became constructive people of society. When I was 15/16 I lost ALL my friends & hid in the bathroom or library from embarassment. But I grew up & got over it, I made new friends.
    Witnesses or not….this is about how we’re raising our children. When we get knocked down….are we going to STAY down or get up & fight?
    SO PISSED right now.

  • Gee

    Great write up Morbid!  I understand the emotions of the family and I know it is very difficult to accept your teenage daughter killed herself. I agree with you that there is a fine line with these bullying laws. I am tired of these parents who pay no attention to the shit their child is posting on their FB pages. Seems to me that this family should look at what they should have done before they blame others.

  • Anonymous

    Suicide in itself is so selfish, because the ones that care about you are the ones left on earth to replay your decision over and over again. Involving someone else unwillingly in your endeavor is beyond fucked up. Obviously this girl didn’t even have the mental/emotional capacity to love herself, so she sure as hell didn’t care about anyone else.

  • CT

    This is yet another reason that parents need to be more involved in all of the stupid Facebook posts and other bullshit their kids post on these sites.  My sister only lets her daughter use these groups if she has ALL of the passwords to her logins and if she changes then w/o my sisters permission she loses all of the items that she could use to access them.  Phone, iPad, computer, whatever. She also has software on all of her computers that monitors everywhere they do.  Some may think this is extreme – but damn, after seeing this shit over and over again – maybe it isn’t so awful.  Your children are YOUR responsibility foremost.   You need to do what you can to keep your kids safe. 

  • http://truecrimereport.com iLLusionS

    The write up and comments here are all pretty well reflecting my take on it. Yes she was a beautiful girl, check. And yes she seems to have been in emotional turmoil, maybe some from outside sources, alot to do with trying to have an “adult like relationship to young”. And no, this case can’t be wrapped you into a package of “due to bullying”. Sounds like she truly had alot going on in her interior thought process. And yes, I have always found suicide to be selfish.Bailing out on the ones who love you and actually care, leaving them to ponder what more, else, or what they could have changed to have stopped this. It is like leaving an open ended, never truly answered by a lame letter, question. It is sad that the family is hurting, and if there was some form of bullying going on, (because we know what asshats teens are these days) that sucks.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    She was beautiful gal and had a lot to live for blah-blah-blah.

    But anytime I had anything remotely resembling a suicidal thought while growing up (and I had my fair share of cry-me-a-river fights and heartbreaks…even got stabbed in the head once, over a girl, good times!) it didn’t take long to think about somebody else. Like the proverbial starving kid in Ethiopia, or living in a bombed out shell in Gaza. Even at my nadirs, I still knew it beat the pants off 90% of humanity and I was always thankful for that. 

    Such thoughts never entered this kid’s head. Never thought about anything past what she wanted, could not relate to anybody else’s position…such as her mother’s for instance. Or the bus driver. It was me-me-me-me-me until the end. Tragic yes, but her actions and thoughts strike me as selfish. How self-absorbed can you be?

  • shannie

    This girl learned her victimization, selfishness,  and need for attention and the drama from her family…

  • Anonymous

    I think the parents want to make it about bullying to reduce their role in things. This kid was very publicly crying for help since at least October, but it sounds like those around her minimized her pain. I’d guess that since they didn’t see it as a ‘real’ relationship, they didn’t see her depression over it as real or valid. They learned the hard way that it was.

    If bullying caused it, they can blame it on the school, and not wonder if things would have been different if they’d taken that phone and computer away from her and made her do something productive instead. How does one ignore a teen’s FB posts about suicide!?

    Poor kid.

  • Dani

    Yes, we were bullied, & yes, most of us survived. But it’s a lot more difficult these days. We could escape to the safety of our homes or other places & be away from it. Kids today are just bombarded with it, & they often have no safe place. It’s sent to their mobile phones, it’s all over everywhere they go online, it’s like there’s no escape from it. For most of us, once school was out & we were home, we were safe. Imagine the kids who bullied you coming home with you & sitting on your bed or sofa with you, screaming at you, calling you horrible things, never letting up. Ever. And it’s not just the names … the things they can just quickly send around phones, or spread on the internet, can be even worse. Then it’s not just 10 or 20 kids at school, it can quickly turn into hundreds or even thousands, if they get it to go viral. I totally get where you’re coming from, but the bullying we went thru is nothing compared to what kids can experience today.

  • Dani

    That’s a bit harsh. I understand where you’re coming from, & suicide is indeed selfish, but it’s hardly fair to say that she didn’t care about anyone else. She made horrible choices, & obviously the choice to involve an innocent party to the point where you are making them unwittingly cause your death is tragic, but that doesn’t mean she didn’t care about anyone else. The young lady clearly had deeply rooted psychological & emotional issues, & when you reach the depths that she did, when you are in so much agony that you see death as your only escape, you can’t see clearly enough to understand the repercussions of your actions as they relate to others. It’s selfish, it’s horrible, it’s heartbreaking to those left behind, but it in no way means you don’t care about anyone else. Your brain is just too blocked off from reality to fully comprehend the repercussions. x

  • Anonymous

    “‘If people know they’re going to be punished with a crime, even a misdemeanor, they don’t commit the crime,’ Klein said with a straight face.”

    Klein may have said it with a straight face, but I could hear your eyes rolling even through the text. They make kind of a scraping sound…

  • Dani

    I’m not exactly disagreeing with you, in fact I generally agree that a 19 year old doesn’t need to be dating a 15 year old, but it’s not technically illegal. Even if the age of consent is 17, it’s not illegal for them to date. Unhealthy? Probably totally.

  • jake8jazz

    Morbid – great story, I thought you were spot on!

  • Anonymous

    I realized reading my statement again that I didn’t write it the way that I thought it. I meant that in that moment of involving someone else she didn’t care about anyone else. I don’t doubt that she cared about her family, and yes while it was selfish to leave them, I don’t think it meant she stopped caring for them. I agree with your sentiments on the issue mostly, but I still think there had to be at least a small degree of ‘I don’t give a fuck’ thrown in there for her to employ an innocent bystander in her plot.

  • Athena

    There are laws that apply to extreme cases of bullying.  Those incidents tend to fall under harassment and assault statutes.  

  • Anonymous

    This chick had far bigger issues than bullying. She was obviously feeling alone and ignored and no one took her seriously…although it’s hard to take a teenager moping on FB about wanting to die over a bf/gf seriously nowadays considering almost every teenager does it.

    It irritates me when parents pull the bullying card and fail to take responsibility for their part. As parents it’s our job to raise mentally strong children. If your child isn’t capable of withstanding a breakup or bullying then you didn’t do a very good job.

  • http://profiles.google.com/fade131 Fade 131

     Having been a teen until very recently, Morbid, I couldn’t agree with you more. No law in the world would have stopped the girls who made fun of me and my friends on a regular basis. Picking on the group that’s “lower” than your clique’s social status is how high school works, and nothing short of social penalties – not being put in jail or fined, but somehow suddenly being seen as a loser and uncool – will ever stop that. Reactionary laws won’t stop bullying, they’ll just punish teens for being teens. It’s only if parents and teachers actually pay attention and catch the REALLY bad stuff that the kind of bullying that leads to suicides will stop.

    Anyway, I feel bad for her. It’s too bad her family was too busy ignoring her to realize she might be serious.

  • Dani

    Firstly, i appreciate you not screaming at me about it. xD Too many people here are way too quick to get into nasty fights.
    I agree with you. When you reach that moment that you decide this is it, I’m stepping off the curb, you cease caring what effect it will have on others. You are only focused on ending your pain & sending the message you want to send. You’re not thinking of the effect it will have on the poor bus driver, or the passengers, or anyone else who witnesses it. All you’re likely thinking about is a) the pain stopping, & b) how this will show all those jerks. Things like that. I’m sure she didn’t even realize what she would be doing to the driver. That certainly doesn’t excuse it, doesn’t make it ok, but her brain just couldn’t comprehend it. Kind of like not guilty by reason of insanity, I guess.
    Thanks again for not taking my head off. I really do understand your point & agree. It’s all terribly selfish, but terribly tragic. x

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    Exactly! I stopped short of directly blaming them because COUNT RACKULA! YOU’RE SO INSENSITIVE! THEY’RE HURTING!!! But yes, I completely agree.

  • Anonymous

    And as parents it’s our responsibility to shield our kids (where we can, of course) from the outside world. My 13 yr old is not allowed to have Facebook or email. She forfeits her cell each night. I’m not perfect & I’m not saying she can’t find a way to find a loophole in our system….but I do what I can.
    I KNOW the world is different, but that doesn’t mean I can’t grow with the technology to find new ways to protect my kids.
    My job is to empower them…..and to limit them. When they turn 18, i hope they can use what I gave them to not only survive this world…but make it a more livable space.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    It’s really more of a squishing. Like the sound those little water filled blob thingies make, the ones that look like you’re jacking something off when you’re playing with ‘em. They kinda look like a colorful, limp dick. God what the fuck are those called. They’re squishy. :-/

  • Athena

    Spot on.  I understand all too well the denial that often immediately follows a suicide in the family, especially when there’s guilt involved.  It’s not at all uncommon for a family to assign a scapegoat, which appears to be exactly what’s happened, here.  Incidentally, this is exactly why I am often skeptical when a parent blames bullying in defense of their child’s behavior.  It’s become a convenient “justification” for all sorts of behavior, and it shifts the responsibility from the parent to the bullies.  

    The fact that bullying has even entered into this picture disturbs me.  If she becomes the poster girl for a national campaign, it should be for why parents need to monitor their children’s online communication and take cries for help seriously.  Fuckin’ A… Especially when they’re combined with behaviors like cutting and anorexia.  

  • Dani

    Then your daughter is definitely fortunate to have such a vigilant & intelligent parent. Were if only more like you, we might not have this epidemic of suicides that we do. Unfortunately, not all parents are like you, & given the info we have …. Her previous screams for help went either unnoticed or were not taken seriously … and these children are under constant attack. The sheer volume & the lack of a safe haven can drive children to where it led this one.
    I agree with you … we need to empower our children so they can learn to deal with this. But we can only do so much. I think the bigger responsibility lies with the parents of the children who think it’s ok to torment others to the point where they feel the only escape is death. They know their kids are bullies so much of the time, but they’re proud of them. They think it’s cool, they think their kids are doing the bullied a favour by toughening them up to be ready for the real world.
    Kids can’t be completely sheltered from bullies, & they /do/ need to learn how to deal with it, because those schoolyard bullies often grow up into conference room bullies. Life isn’t fair & they have to learn how to deal with that so they’re not crippled as adults, fooled into thinking that the world will treat them fairly. Like I said, more parents should be like you. Or like you to some extent. But most of them, or at least too many of them, aren’t. And those are the kids we need to save. x

  • Athena

    When I was 15, I dated a 19 year old.  There was nothing inherently unhealthy about it. In fact, he was the most respectful and responsible of the bunch until I met my (now) husband two years later. 

    Of course, had I been cutting, starving myself and threatening suicide on the internet, I wouldn’t have had any damn business dating anyone until that shit was cleared up.  

    The relationship is the least of the problems with this picture, in my opinion.  

  • Anonymous

    No flames from me; I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    “a 19 year old doesn’t need to be dating a 15 year old, but it’s not technically illegal.”

    Different states have different laws,in Texas that is illegal.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I haven’t read any of the comments yet, so forgive me if I echo anyone’s else’s sentiments or offend anyone’s delicate sensibilities with what I am about to say. This is horrifying. I feel for her family and their confusion and pain. I don’t know that they didn’t do all they could possibly do so I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now. And I also feel for the poor girl who thought this was ever any kind of answer, BUT to step in front of a bus and involve even more people, especially strangers, in your planned death screams drama queen/attention seeker to me. She wanted attention for what she did and I don’t mean she needed attention and was reaching for help this way. She was doing that with her FB posts and text messages. This was drama, and it takes a special kind of crazy to go to these lengths. Mostly I feel for the driver of the bus, and any passengers and pedestrians that had to witness this.

  • Dani

    After I hit post, I realized I should have made myself more clear.
    I agree that a lot of ~19/15 year old relationships can be utterly healthy. I was more referring to these two, specifically. It really depends upon the maturity of the two people involved.
    Mostly my point was just that it’s not illegal.

  • Dani

    I admit that I am not sure of every law in every state, but as far as I know, it’s not illegal for them to date. Just to have sex.

  • Dani

    I admit that I am not sure of every law in every state, but as far as I know, it’s not illegal for them to date. Just to have sex.

  • Dani

    Now granted, I’d be hard pressed to find a couple of kids, especially a 19 year old boy, who wasn’t having sex. I was just being technical about the term „dating”. They can legally date their little hearts out & share all the sodas down at the corner drugstore they like & even hold hands at the movies if they like. Maybe a goodnite kiss on the porch under the light whilst daddy watches from behind the curtain.
    But touch her boobies & you’re goin to prison, son. ;)

  • LeaveMeBe

    Hate to disagree with you Ced, but there are no laws against “dating”. Sexual contact yes, dating no. I think this is what you meant but I could be wrong.

  • Athena

    I think you’re absolutely right, although, I think even kissing would be illegal, in many circumstances. But holding hands wouldn’t be. That said, I didn’t lose my V-card until I met my (now) husband.  The 19 year old boyfriend (Garrett) had turned 19 over the course of our short relationship and was still living w/mom.  She straight up told him, “You will NOT sleep with that girl under MY roof!”, and it sure as hell wasn’t going to happen at my house… So, yeah, our relationship was brief. Boys that age have needs. :P

  • Anonymous

    Excellent write up, Morbid. Terrible tragedy. But yeah…this girl seemed to have a lot of problems and I’m not sure how her family can blame anyone. This girl had a mental disease. I’m sure the bullying didn’t make it any better but SHE killed herself. No one else did it for her. I’m sorry for the family that must endure her loss.

  • Dani

    Truly not meaning to be argumentative here, so please don’t take it such, but I’ve actually had a lot of experience in this very subject … the legalities & whatnot … and /as far as I know/, kissing isn’t illegal. Of course, that entirely depends on who is actually kissing what body part, but good ole fashion snogging is still legal, much to the chagrin of fathers everywhere. ;)

    But yeah. Like you said, boys that age, & even girls that age, have needs, & I’d be hard pressed to find kids that age not goin at it, but there are still some chaste kids around, & those relationships aren’t illegal. It’s all semantics, tho, & I totally know what you meant. But then again, law is all about semantics. ;)

    Needs … I got em. ;)

  • shannie

    Water Willies..lol

  • Evan Oswald

    1 less douchebag drama queen out there, hope the bus didn’t take much damage.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    I think people have the right to punch their own ticket…just don’t leave a mess for someone to clean up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    I was bullied when I was in high school …but nowadays kids go too far. Nowadays you piss off kids at school they beat you up and post the beating on youtube for everyone to laugh at…or they create a facebook or some other online page dedicated to making fun of you….or they just stab or sexually assault you.

    You couldn’t pay me to be a teacher today…today’s children are evil.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Garcia/100000746322144 Rebecca Garcia

    ["
    That certainly doesn't excuse it, doesn't make it ok, but her brain just couldn't comprehend it. Kind of like not guilty by reason of insanity, I guess. '} 

    yea when you're @ that point, when your mind has turned against you (like Cedric said) , you cannot comprehend much past the desperate need for a way out.

  • Jersey Monroe

    Anyone have the Facebook page? Couldn’t find it. Not a memorial page, but her actual page?!

  • shannie

    I totally agree with you…but we all know a teenage girl isn’t gonna go that batshit over a guy that she’s just holding hands with, if ya kwim..Teenaged girls are known for the drama and overreacting, but not “throw yourself under a bus” overreacting unless she’s been in that ” I gave you my flower and you fucked me over” stage…Her parents seem like they are looking to blame someone, anyone, anything..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    Some people don’t have the coping skills or support system in place to deal with life’s problems.

    Maybe suicide is selfish but I don’t want to cast stones at people for that…if I ever became homeless, or lost my family, or became crippled or deformed…I would probably do it.

    I never feel comfortable bashing people who commit suicide…I can see myself falling into the same trap…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    or maybe she just didn’t learn how to cope with life’s problems…which granted…leads back to the family

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    Water weenies I think they’re called. Some are big, need two people to carry them around. Cue inappropriate thoughts. 

  • Athena

    No, I’m not trying to be argumentative either.  I, too, have a lot of experience with, well, legalities in general (having interned for a criminal attorney), and I just want people to have the most accurate information available.  

    Here’s the thing about kissing – obviously, a peck is not going to be illegal.  However, it is illegal to persuade a minor to engage in any kind of sexual activity, and it could be argued that, depending on the type of kissing going on, that the adult is, in fact, attempting to persuade the minor into “going further”.  As a result, such kissing could fall under the areas of sexual exploitation of a minor or corruption of a minor.  In some cases, it could even fall under child sexual abuse, as that crime tends to be defined as actions intended to obtain sexual gratification (as deep kissing often does).  

    So, while it’s not all that common, an aggressive prosecutor could totally pop an adult for kissing a minor.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    I knew the name would have to do with dicks, lol.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    I think they took it down because of the trolls, or because of the media attention surrounding the page or something. It seems like I read that somewhere, could be wrong though. :-/

  • Anonymous

    I have difficulty feeling TOO bad for bullied suicides.  The appropriate responce to bullying is to find something heavy and crack the bully in the head with it.  If there’s more than one, hit the next in order while they’re still surprised.  Yeah, you’ll be in trouble.  But bullies want a victim.  It’s hard to make you a victim if they’re getting the shit knocked out of them.  Bonus points if they literally DO shit themselves.

    Offing yourself just shouts “you win” to the douchebags that torment you. 

    Don’t get dead; get even.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, parents should be more attentive, I mean I check my kids facebooks daily and above all talk to them. How caring and attentive could her family really be, look at her face! I am fully supportive in expressing your individuality but facial piercings at 15?!?! Seriously! I would have had my ass beat at that age.
     

  • Anonymous

    What a pretty girl. Sad that she thought this was it for her…I wish I could tell every sad teenager in the world that in 15 years, none of that stuff will matter one bit.  Parents need to be proactive…if my kid was posting stuff like that, I’d be on it like a puma. 

  • Dani

    I totally bow to your superiour knowledge on the subject in that case! I totally see your point. It could absolutely be argued that it was intended to persuade the minor to go further, yeah. I know that when I was 16ish, a good snog was as good as a roofie … it could persuade me to do an awful lot I hadn’t intended. I hadn’t considered it that way. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
    I was simply thinking in terms of „kissing isn’t illegal, sex is illegal”. But you’re right. I suppose it’s a bit like alcohol. It can persuade many a person to do things one wouldn’t otherwise do, so in that case, it’s influencing them, which can indeed be argued as intent. Excellent point, councillor! ;)
    I hope it’s not against forum policy to agree with someone & admit they were right & you were wrong. For you very much were & I very clearly was. I appreciate you explaining it & not screaming at me or insulting my heritage or insinuating in some way that my mother had loose morals. ;)
    It’s fascinating the things one can learn when two reasonable people can discuss a topic calmly & rationally. Or when one is doped up on a plane flight. ;)
    Thanks again for pointing that out. I actually find it really interesting. x

  • Anonymous

    Stepping in front of a bus/train/something psychologically puts your death in someone else’s hands.  Some can’t do the killing action themselves so they unfortunately involve someone else.  You see quite a bit of it in suicides really.  Usually in the form of, “I’m going to ___.  If ___ doesn’t happen on the way, I’ll jump/step on the tracks/leap into traffic/etc”

  • Anonymous

    Stepping in front of a bus/train/something psychologically puts your death in someone else’s hands.  Some can’t do the killing action themselves so they unfortunately involve someone else.  You see quite a bit of it in suicides really.  Usually in the form of, “I’m going to ___.  If ___ doesn’t happen on the way, I’ll jump/step on the tracks/leap into traffic/etc”

  • Anonymous

    I can agree with that too. I do still feel that suicide is selfish, but I think that people should have the choice. It’s like you said though, leaving a mess or involving other people in the mess is what I can’t comprehend.

  • Anonymous

    No sense in attacking anyone! We both have valid points that overlap in ways, and even if they didn’t, everyone is entitled to their opinion! :) I agree that too many people become overly defensive so it’s nice to have a mature cyber conversation!

  • Dani

    Suicide /is/ selfish, but I think it’s just wrong to look at them & say they were weak, awful people. Like you said, some people just don’t have the skills to cope, for many reasons, & the answer isn’t to look down on them & blame them. It’s not a place they chose to be, & it’s a nightmarish place to live. I think you get that better than a lot of the morally superiour people who blame them & just call them selfish jerks.
    However, I would like to add something. I became disabled, or crippled, & whilst a lot of people want to pity me & feel sorry for me, I assure them it’s not necessary. I’m lucky enough to have a decent outlook on life, & I can tell you from experience that it’s not the worst thing in the world. I’ve been down to the depths of considering suicide at different times in my life, but never about this. That’s not to say that everyone feels the way I do, but I just wanted to make the point that even being crippled isn’t as bad as it may seem. x

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Exactly.

  • Dani

    I very much enjoy discussing & debating topics, but most people are too determined to just be right & don’t stop long enough to stop & listen to anyone else & possibly learn something. They’d much rather scream & yell & insult. And heaven forbid they allow another person to make a mistake or misspeak somehow & move on from it.
    Isn’t ‘mature cyber conversation’ kind of like ‘jumbo shrimp’ in its oxymoron-ness? xD

  • Anonymous

    Ooh @Morbid you totally got me all worked up with all that macho opinion/flame on! comment!

  • LeaveMeBe

    Generally speaking, suicides are very private. I can agree that there are probably suicidal people who cannot do the actual act themselves so choose to have indirect help through other people or objects, but there are some that just need to make a big production of it. It’s my belief that these are generally the same ones that may actually believe that they will be able to view themselves and other people at their own funerals and see the impact their death had on people, especially the person (or people) they were striking out at and trying to punish by dying. All suicides cannot be put into the same little mold and be made to fit.

  • Anonymous

    Suicide is not always selfish. Maybe they think that the persons around them will be better off without dealing with all the bullshit the “suicider” (is that right!?) makes them go through.

    What can be cathegorized as selfish is the way they choose to die.

  • Anonymous

    Nope, the problem is that you can’t kick those little bastards’ ass as a teacher.

    I remember when sister Agripina was able to kick my ass in general and then my mom gave her permission to do so… NO ONE FUCKED AROUND/NEXT/NEAR HER.

  • Anonymous

    When I went to the Presidential Classroom in DC I bought one of those. During the daily caucus that all the states’ students were gathered to listen to some dumb lame political shit, I was throwing & passing those jelly squishy dickies around with all the other peeps that went there for a week in the USA, without parents & a lot of hot guys/girls.

    I miss Mr. Little Limp Dyck (that was his name).

  • Anonymous

    Who cares about being insensitive? I am so sick of these parents desperately grasping at straws to blame someone. Yes, bullying sucks, but I don’t know anyone who wasn’t bullied at some point in their childhood. 
    I have bipolar disorder, anxiety and panic disorder, obsessive compulsive tendencies, and PTSD. I was abused for so long as a child my brain was awash in chemicals and hormones that weren’t conducive to healthy development. So I really feel for this child, I really do because I know what’s it’s like to be there. However, suicide is no one’s fault but the person who kills themselves.I don’t care what the circumstance of the suicide is. Ultimately, the decision to end your life starts and stops with you. 
    Perhaps her parents could have been more on the ball, she obviously had problems. Her boyfriend could have stayed with her out of some fear obligation. Perhaps the kids at school might have been nicer. That still doesn’t place the blame for the final outcome at anyone’s feet, but her own.

  • Anonymous

    I think it depends on the person. I tried to commit suicide once and I can tell you right now that I didn’t give a shit what I would be leaving behind for people to deal with. All I could see was that I hurt, wasn’t getting better, and I wanted out. 

  • Andy P

    You know, that’s what I was wondering myself.  Isn’t a 19 year old messing around with a 15 year old RAPE?  And something else that is bothering me – who has a 15 year old and doesn’t monitor their facebook page if they even allow them to have one?  I dumped FB almost a year ago and haven’t looked back.  Too much to lose and nothing to gain.  Do you really care about what your “friends” you haven’t seen in 10 or 20 years are up to?  Thought not.  I didn’t after I realized what a waste of time that site had become to me in various ways…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    Just to clarify my position…I’m not endorsing suicide if you become disabled or crippled. I’m just saying I personally might not have what it takes to survive that emotionally…because I admit I’m weak.

  • Anonymous

    In my neck of the woods we called them water willies too.

  • Anonymous

    Who the fuck trolls a dead girl’s FB page? I’m a cold bitch, but that is just wrong.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    I got this kid whose older brother I was friends with kicked out of my high school. I played a prank on him, he got revenge by hiring a group of guys to beat me up…so he got expelled (not my intent) but I lied my ass off to cover my tracks.

    A part of always wonders if he’s going to become a mass murderer one day and I’m going to be in a article blurb or on one of those dateline type shows as part of his backstory as the thing that set him down the path to the dark side.

    I’ve always wondered if I should blame myself for whatever happens to him or not.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    Thank you! I just didn’t want anyone to get all misty eyed because I think the parents could have done more.

    I really feel for her also, because I had many mental problems when I was younger, too. Lots of medication and therapy sessions. But I got myself help. And really, I mostly give the credit for getting that help to my parents. They are the ones who noticed something was not right, they ended up finding out about my past sexual abuse (because I sure didn’t tell them), and immediately put me into therapy. Initially, I was uncomfortable; but if I hadn’t been given those tools to work through my trauma and pain, I KNOW I would not be here today.

    I’m not even saying that this girl could have been abused or something, that isn’t even the point. The point is that her parents knew that she was in emotional turmoil, and did (seemingly) nothing. Even if they say, “Oh, we tried, but she didn’t want to get help.” It’s just no excuse. She’s your daughter. She’s a minor. You can still make her go get help. That’s all part of parenting, making the best decision about what’s right for your child, even if that means getting them help that they don’t want.

    This shit is just such a waste. I really wish people would realize what they need to do before shit like this happens, and not after. IF ANYONE EVER MAKES A THREAT IN THIS WAY, ALWAYS, ALWAYS TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. I don’t know why it seems like her parents and family just assumed that this was just more angsty teenage bullshit. If I had seen a post like that, from anyone, I would do something about it. Don’t just assume that everything will work itself out!

    Also, if teens can’t handle the Facebook bullshit, they need to not use it. I don’t know why, but it just seems like many of these occurrences have a direct link to Facebook. People do realize that they can deactivate their account if people are saying mean things, right? Or that, perhaps, you don’t have to log on every five seconds to see what people are saying about you? I don’t know, I’m just super glad I don’t have a real Facebook, because I can only imagine all the things that would be said about me on that page.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    It wouldn’t be “rape,” but legally, it would be statutory rape.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    I tried facebook for a month…and then it hit me. I don’t care about these people anymore. If we actually cared about each other we  would have stayed in touch over the years but we didn’t.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    To me if you’re going to kill yourself you should jump off a bridge…your family won’t have to clean up that mess

  • Anonymous

    I would be your Facebook friend just so you know. ;)

  • Anonymous

    See, that I wouldn’t classify as selfish. I guess part of my feelings on it stem from a person in my life that would repeatedly threaten suicide to get what he wanted. Of course we took him seriously each time because we didn’t want him to feel like he wasn’t cared for, but he also learned that and he held it over our heads. I also knew someone who shot herself in the head in front of her boyfriend because he wouldn’t propose to her in the spot. I can’t generalize every suicide attempt or suicidal person as selfish, and that is how my original post sounds. Hell, I don’t even agree with me haha.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    Hell yeah! I’ll friend you with my fake profile! I only have two other friends on it because I mainly use it to check out perp profiles from here; oh, and stalk the two people I’m friends with. I wanna stalk you too! Hit me up in the forums and I’ll point you in the right direction! If you aren’t already in the forums, you should be! Dammit!

    Giggity. Can’t wait to creep your profile. ;-)

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    Killing yourself because life is so miserable is one thing. Everyone has their limits. But when I describe ‘selfish’ in the context of what I believe this teen did is different. Let me explain.

    I remember working at a big-box retail store long ago. And I knew a nice girl there, casual work-acquaintance, nothing more. She dumped her boyfriend apparently, and then that dude blew himself away – it was quite the local drama. Messed the girl up for quite some time emotionally as you could guess.

    And that’s why boyfriend did it. Not because he was miserable, but because he wanted to make his ex miserable. He wanted to force her to care about him although she had moved on, make everyone care and suffer a little. Be the center of attention.

    That is not ending a life so miserable; that is naive, narcissistic self-destruction by someone trying to use the end of their own life as an emotional weapon on others.

    That is tragic and sad, but it is greedy and short-sighted as well. And I think that was big part of what drove this kid to do what she did. Totally different from ending a life ‘not worth living.’

  • Anonymous

    I consider it selfish to this day. It was a very self-centered process, but I didn’t care at the time.

  • Anonymous

    Shit, now I need a fake profile. I have to be careful one of my boyfriends has a public career. ;)

  • LeaveMeBe

    Exactly!!!

    I should have just sat back until you came along and so concsiely explained what was in my brain. I totally fumbled and bumbled around trying to express myself on this one. I think I was trying too hard to be “kind”.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    Oh, come on. I won’t spam your wall with too many nudes! And I’ll only stalk you a little bit!

  • Dani

    Oh no, I know what you mean. I didn’t think you were endorsing it. I just mean that you don’t know what you can deal with until you deal with it. I kind of thought the same way you did. I was an athlete growing up, I was always really active. I thought if anything ever happened to me, I’d never be able to cope with it. My mates & I used to always say on the way up to go snowboarding that if we were ever paralyzed, we’d find a way to end it. As it happened, I’m not paralyzed, but I’m sure as hell not ever snowboarding again. Or surfing. Or hiking. Or jogging. Or even taking a leisurely stroll around the block in the evening. But it’s not as bad as you ever think. The one thing I learned is that I’m not as weak as I thought I was. I’m not you, so I can’t presume to know how you’d feel given the same circumstances, but you’d be surprised at the strength you find you have that you never knew existed. x

  • Dani

    Oh no, I know what you mean. I didn’t think you were endorsing it. I just mean that you don’t know what you can deal with until you deal with it. I kind of thought the same way you did. I was an athlete growing le to cope with it. My mates & I used to always say on the way up to go snowboarding that if we were ever paralyzed, we’d find a way to thing I learned is that I’m not as weak as I thought I was. I’m not you, so I can’t presume to know how you’d feel given the same circumstances, but you’d be surprised at the strength you find you have that you never knew existed. x

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    I know, right? I don’t know if I could handle myself in that situation if anyone were to say that they’re glad my daughter is dead, or to still be tormenting her in death. I would lose it.

  • Dani

    I totally agree. I mentioned in another post somewhere that the thought process is sort of „I can’t deal with the pain” & „I’ll show those jerks. I’ll make them care. They’ll regret it now!” The latter is exactly what you said. It can be absolutely revenge.

  • Anonymous

    I have to think about it. It’s nothing against anyone on here, it’s entirely me it’s why I don’t plug his books on here. He doesn’t need the real me mucking up his career. ;) I will try to check out the forums though. 

  • Athena

    If only we could create a 3D Venn diagram of all the criminal laws in the U.S., people would see that there is not a single basic objectionable behavior that can’t already be prosecuted under current legislation.

  • Athena

    You’re like a beaten puppy.  Have you been a part of a particularly abusive web community or something?   You’re safe, now, Dani.  Very few here will virtually smack you unless you’re mean first… and you just don’t strike me as the type. :P

    Based on your lexicon, might I assume you to be a citizen of the Commonwealth?  If so, one is probably substantially less likely to get busted for mere kissing in, say, Canada, England or Australia than here in the painfully puritanical U.S., so we’re both right. :)

  • Anonymous

    Very well stated

  • Anonymous

    I live with a mild to medium case of being Bi-Polar, when I take my medication, I do fine and when I don’t I can become suicidal myself.This young lady showed symptoms of mental illness and it is quite possible she needed medication to control the thoughts she was having. I know when I am in a full blown attack I can feel like the whole world is against me and I can easily misinterpret things people say or do to me,and add that to the fact this was a teenage girl with all the issues of being a teenager,and the fact she had no coping skills,it makes for a volatile situation.What seemed like her being a drama queen (which she very well may have been) may also been her way of asking for help.As for including others in the actual act itself, it could have been a teenage drama queen act, or the situation as I have experienced it to be, is that I just wanted the pain to stop and would try to take the quickest and most available exit so to speak. Irregardless of who stood between myself and my goal.It has taken years, a lot of medication, to find what works best for me,many mistakes and a loving, kind, and patient support group as well as counseling to get where I am today.And it has also helped to know other people also suffer from being bi-polar. It helps knowing I am not alone living each day with a disease that can take control of my thoughts if I dont do what I need to do to take care of myself.Some simply do not make it.I am not saying she was Bi-Polar but she certainly had mental issues that needed to be addressed and someone who loved her enough to always be there for her, to help her get to the other side of her issues,and to love her no matter what.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R7EKXOMLBJQ6YPSBV42ZCYHQOM Andrea

    A beautiful and broken girl, It breaks the heart when a young adult turns to the abyss. Killing yourself over a romantic attachment is (to me) never an option. There’s always someone searching for you as you search for them. If all else fails, seek help. medical, emotional or otherwise..

  • BooBooKittyFuck

    What a fucking shame though…such a pretty girl…it’d be great if kids realized that there is life after the crappy teen years…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Richtofen/100002131970646 Edward Richtofen

    There seems to be no shortage of messed up kids. What is on her lip?

  • Anonymous

    Anorexic and a cutter.  Posts about suicide.  This was screaming, begging for help. I totally agree, Deety.  This family is trying to distract everyone, not the least being themselves, from their culpability here.  This baby was shooting off emergency flares and setting up road cones, but everyone just kept driving on by.

  • Anonymous

    Girl Even Cyberbullied After Death As Family Prepares Funeral

    DONGAN HILLS, NY (PIX11)—
    Even after their daughter committed suicide following a campaign of harassment, a Staten Island family is still plagued by hateful cyber bullies posting despicable on-line messages by the thousands as they prepare to lay the 15-year-old to rest.Tears and hugs were on display on Staten Island at the A. Azzara Funeral Home Thursday, as the Cummings family said their final goodbyes at the wake of young Amanda Cummings. The high school sophomore succumbed on Monday to injuries she sustained after attempting suicide two days after Christmas by stepping in front of a bus.One teen girl, dressed in somber black, trying to compose herself, worked to find the words to honor her friend. “She always forgave people that treated her badly. She didn’t deserve anything,” she managed to utter before the tears took over and she sought the solace of a friend.Amanda’s family for several weeks has been working with police to identify who bullied her so mercilessly that it drove her to suicide. Family, including her mother and sister, knew fellow students were tormenting her with text and Facebook messages for years, but chose not to report it to school officials at Amanda’s urging. They have broken their silence now.Amanda’s uncle Keith Cummings, has lead the charge. A proud man who seems as though he would rarely shrink from a fight, still struggles to control his emotions as he grapples with the loss of his beloved niece, close in age to his own three children.”We need to find these bullies. Somebody needs to gets brought to justice. Somebody,” Cummings implores.The family contends it was a dangerous cocktail of cyberbullying, heartache over losing a boyfriend, and the emotional turmoil that often arises during teen years that drove Amanda to such a level of despondency she penned a suicide letter, tucked it into her pocket, told her mother with a smile she was going to visit a friend and then jumped in front of a moving bus on December 27th.Hateful messages have continued to plague Amanda and her family — one page set up as a tribute to her has been overrun with ugly messages — there were 7,500 contributors, some leaving posts about Amanda’s death with the phrase LOL. Police continue to maintain that bullying is not the cause of Amanda’s death — friends are begging them to keep investigating.One family friend and mother of a teenager was outspoken. Michelle Gatti had a simple solution to finding the cyber bullies. “Put an undercover cop in New Dorp High School for a day, a week, and they’ll see plenty.”And a high school senior, Mike Leckow, spelled it out as well, “The police claim they have so much technology, go behind the IP addresses and I guarantee they’ll lead back to New Dorp High School.”Amanda’s family closed her Facebook account after her mother claims someone hacked her own login to write an angry message yesterday wishing that people would die and suffer.[...]Does more police work need to be done? “Without a doubt,” he answered. “Without a doubt.”

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/wpix-girl-cyberbullied-even-after-suicide,0,7633751.story

  • Anonymous

    I’ll second that, amen it, and yell, “Halleluyah”.  Spot on kc

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for saying that JGo555.  Not every suicide is for selfish reasons.  There are those with terminal illnesses that decide when they want to leave this world because they don’t want to put their loved ones through any more pain and suffering.

    I also believe that most of the time, suicidal ideations and/or attempts correlates with age.  A younger person might do it because of the intense pain they feel from rejection, lonliness, unloved, unworthly etc.

    An older person might do it to spare family members of living through an ordeal.

    There are cultural aspects that may or may not come into play as well, i.e. “saving face”.

  • Anonymous

    WOW!  What you said.  My son is 14 and has Facebook. This happened after we sat down with him and explained what His responsibilities were, consequences for positive/negative actions, how to stay safe and that he could have Facebook under the condition that his father and I would not only be added, but that we would have free access to his account.

    Here’s the good thing about Facebook and my son.

    Last year, during recess, my son ran full bore into the goal post and knocked himself out.
    I got a call from school telling me to come get my son and that he had probably sustained a concussion and had some blood coming out his ear.  (Don’t ask.)

    The ER doc confirmed the concussion and said that he suffered a cut inside his ear, near the eardrum, but the ringing in his ear was from the inward pressure of air on the ear drum and swelling.

    Back at school, one of his classmates started harassing him by saying, “Can you hear me now?” everytime he saw him, which my son responded everytime, “No.  It’s not funny.  You’re not funny.  Now knock it off!”

    This spilled over onto Facebook – every 10 minutes or so, this kid would post, “Can you hear me now?”  LOL

    My son was so pissed.  He asked me what to do.  After discussing options, one of which was driving over and pounding the crap out of the kid, this is what my son posted:

    “I told you at school that you aren’t funny and to knock it off.  Remember in 3rd grade when I asked to play you said you were going to block me out?  Guess what.  I’m blocking you out.  You’re pathetic.”

    This was shared with all the mutual friends they had who then shared it with their friends, who shared it with their friends.  

    Lessons learned:  You don’t have to resort to violence to shut up a bully, stand up for yourself, empower yourself, it’s good to have Mom and Dad on FB, and Karma is a bitch. 

  • Anonymous

    Don’t get me wrong, I feel horrible for her family. I totally understand why they’re using bullying as a scapegoat, and I don’t blame them for needing an emotional crutch to get through this. But it is just scapegoating. This girl obviously had issues that needed acknowledged and dealt with, beyond peer harassment.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    Personally, I have thought about suicide sometimes. Never in my present, I have had a life worth living and plan on continuing that for some decades to come.

    However, what about something like Alzheimer’s? Or Parkinson’s? Or brain cancer? Ugh. Those bad days come to any lucky enough to live long enough to encounter their inevitable mortal Demon. Its something to think about.And I have to admit, I couldn’t pull a trigger on myself. Or walk in front of a bus. I’m a contemplative dude and always look for an interesting experience. And for suicide I’ve always harbored what I thought to be the ‘perfect’ way out: Weather balloon.

    Strange? Absolutely. But think about it. You can buy them from Edmund’s Scientific last time I checked. Couple of those bad boys and a helium tank to fill them will lift a few hundred pounds. Fill’em up, tie yourself to them, cut the rope, and off you go into the wild blue yonder.

    The first minute would be an unbelievable exhilaration watching your world get as small as it is as you drift up and away. After but fifteen seconds or so, you’d be too high to ever survive the fall. So its as total commitment to your end as a Smith and Wesson dinner. 

    And you’d just keep drifting up, up and out of there. Weather balloons eventually drift to miles above the earth. You’d catch the jet stream and ride it for days to God-knows-where. But in that first hour when you pass twenty thousand feet – before cold and oxygen deprivation overcome you – would be quite an adventure! And if you didn’t want to just pass out at airliner heights (or long before) at second thought, you’d still have your trusty knife to cut yourself free and take that infinite plunge.

    Of course you’d plan where you launched to avoid being flotsam for some kid to find. Maybe take that plunge over the ocean itself. In the mode of thought and reflection that accompanies any serious attempt to end yourself – and the pressures that put you there – would be a deep, contemplative life-review of sorts as you floated towards a proverbial Heaven. 

    Way fucking better than a bus I’ll tell you that! And the planning and effort involved in pulling it off, from start-to-finish of setting that up if your still committed at launch than you probably won’t have any regrets. 

    Sorry about the rant. But there are right ways and wrong ways to do things, even do yourself in.

  • Anonymous

    Ok here goes.

    Yes, we were bullied. Yes, we survived.

    But you’d be a fool to not realize that the world is massively different from when we were kids.

    When I was a kid and being bullied, I could come home from school, shut myself in my bedroom, turn my stereo up loud, and escape for a while. Facebook and smartphones hadn’t invaded our homes yet.

    Now there is NO escape. You could move to Thailand, and the bastards could still get to you. And now kids, and even adults, seem so ruthless and intent on actually harming people, mentally and physically. Looking back, I realize most of the kids who bullied me were just bored, stupid, harmless little nitwits with no creative outlets. Now, they’re roving packs of meglomaniac twats hellbent on setting fire to the world.

    Times have changed. We need to change how we view bullying.

  • Anonymous

    oh and. On what fuckin planet is she NOT a gorgeous knockout? She was beautiful. When did kids start making fun of the pretty girls?

  • Anonymous

    See I guess to me it’s situational. That, and I’m hopped up on pain meds from surgery a couple days ago, so I keep getting responses to posts that I don’t remember writing…

  • Anonymous

    Being in the medical field, having seen a lot of terminal and non terminal illnesses, I can say at 23 years old that should I ever become afflicted with certain illnesses, I WILL kill myself. Those I don’t consider selfish because I guess a physical ailment is tangible to me, where as mental ailments are more difficult to identify and sympathize with. Is that a double standard on my part? Absolutely. I guess it’s just all situational in my mind.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry but I have to beg (insist) to differ here.  The parents are obligated to protect and nurture their offspring.  

    Science shows that the human brain is not fully developed until at least the early 20′s.  Therefore, out of simple obligations, even if the kid says they wish to die, the parents and relatives, teachers, friends, etc. needed to step up.  But primarily the parents.  The kid had how many FB friends?  How many people looked over and ignored her posts?

    Who knows what this baby could have become, who she could have loved, how much happiness she could have enjoyed … if she had been PROTECTED FROM HERSELF in re: to suicide and helped to get better life skills.

    I agree with you wholeheartedly on the blame game … based on what I read here there were plenty of signs for the adults in this young lady’s life to pick up on.  They dropped the ball.

    Anyone who read the posts and did nothing, YOU DROPPED THE BALL.

    I have to stand up for this girl when it comes to you saying she is to blame for that final choice.  That choice to die was not made by a fully developed person.  She was a child.  A child will do things that are irrational and dangerous, and not comprehend the final outcome of their actions.  A child will relate dying to sleeping, and think it may be a ‘break’ from the troubles they face.  They may believe and hope that maybe if they do just one more thing, push the envelope again, that someone will HEAR AND HELP them. 

    Amanda deserves at least for someone out here to notice that she was overlooked and left to her own destruction.  Not her fault.

    My sympathy to those that actually learn from this and strive to do better by the kids they encounter in the future  …. Just my 2cents Dangerous  :)

  • Anonymous

    I hear what you’re saying and part of me does agree with some of what you’re saying. Yes, her parents should have been there for her. Still, as someone who downed that handful of pills at 15 I strongly feel that I was responsible for my actions at that time. I can very clearly remember the mental hurdles that I had to jump to get to the point that I willing to actually do it. I did not for a moment imagine that it was a break from my problem, I knew exactly what I was doing. Of course, I was lucky to live even though I spent a year locked up. 
    I don’t know what her parents did and didn’t do as far as her mental health either, obviously she had some treatment in the past. I can tell you that I had treatment and it didn’t help. It wasn’t until my early 20′s that I felt well enough to get off Prozac for an extended period of time. 
    I’m not debating here, I just wanted to explain where I was coming from. Obviously, not all people are the same and mine is just an anecdote of one person’s situation.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds uberfun. Feel better soon.

  • Anonymous

    This is tragic, my condolences to her and her family. I detest spinless bullies, they all need their knees smashed with a baseball bat, then their hands so the can’t ever text or use a keyboard ever again. secondly, It would be a cold day in HELL i let my 15 yo daughter date a 19 yo man, isn’t there a law in NYS against that ?  19 yo boys have NO business messing with a 15 yo girl. did the parents know ?  did they allow this relationship ? she may or may nt have had probs in the past, but this cyber-bully shit obviously put her over the top.

  • Anonymous

    Yea right, probably just because she was a bit Goth.

  • Anonymous

    What about dating a 19 yo man ?

  • Anonymous

    Wish i could like that one 100 times, how true it is. I post at work, as i forbid a computer in my home, just for the simple fact that i do not want my kids on ASSSPACE, or CRACKBOOK. used to have 2 at home, as soon as i saw my kids (and the wife) getting their lives taken over by CRACKBOOK, i confiscated both and in the dumpster they went, after a good smashing with a baseball bat.  were they pissed ? you betcha, i did not care. I do not, never had, and never will have a puter at home. since then, were 100% more of a family, alot less stress, tension, and drama. GO FUCK YOURSELF CRACKBOOK !! not my family.

  • Anonymous

    Calling all parents !!!!   get the fuck off CRACKBOOK, you sad addicted, poor excuses for parents. Then get your kids off it, just say NO, grow a spine. Talk to your kids, take them to the park, camping, to Disney world, to a ball game, anything to keeep them occupied, and spending quality time with you, and they rest of the family. Not wrapped up in a fake world where every asshole on the planet wants to tell you that they “went to the bathroom”, or ” doing laundry”, or any other stupid needless “update ” they deem relevant in their sad CRACKBOOK addicted life. It’s not rocket science raising kids, my 2 are doing just fine with no access to the CRACKBOOK.  Oh, one more thing parents, leave your CRACKBERRY home, and make your kids do the same when you go out to do something. I’de love to set off an EMP over CRACKBOOK headquarters.

  • Anonymous

    I was very proactive when my son was only 6 and bullying started because of his red hair, he went through yrs of bullying and it basically tore apart his self esteem, i was constantly at the school filing complaints but in the 90′s it didnt matter, i even tried changing schools they wouldnt allow it even though we have 4 elemenatry schools in town, believe me until your 6 yr old tells you he just wants to die you dont know how bad the school admins handle this issue, even now its still bad because both kuds get punished even the victim, he is now in the army but he never was himself, i was bullied every school day of my life and being in an abusive home didnt help either

  • Anonymous

    I am 42 and have ptsd and other issues from all the shit i have been through, i thought i was a very strong person and i thought just like you do, i toughed out the sexual abuse, verbal, physical, mental, bullying…whatever was thrown my way, i was adopted by an aunt at 3mos old then dropped off with bio mom at 6 yrs old, and told in no way that was good “hey i am your real mom” i cried and bam the first bloody lip and black eye for the next 12 yrs, talk about coping and toughing it out lol not everyone survived our generation look around you we are the generation of prozac and zoloft and valium….maybe not you personally but you must be the lucky one with no issues or depression in life, no drinking or drug problems or anything….perfect

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Count Rackula

    I do as well. I don’t know if it seemed like I don’t feel bad for them, I think this situation is horribly tragic. But I agree with you one hundred percent.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Totally agree with your last line and no apologies are necessary. I love to hear peoples thoughts and why they think the way they do. It’s more the why than anything. You should write a movie script.

    Although I have never had a suicidal ideation, I have wished to just die. That may sound like splitting hairs, but I have learned there is a difference. For example: I would think to myself that maybe tomorrow a deer would run in front of my car and cause me to lose control, crash and die versus I would take my car and purposely drive off a cliff.  

  • Anonymous

    I have sympathy for her and her family, but this could have just as easily gone horribly wrong in another way…people on that bus could’ve been killed and SHE could’ve survived, and we’d be looking at yet another situation similar to the one where the young woman drove her car into the other one to commit suicide, and the occupants of the other vehicle were killed instead….and as in the other case, there would be little sympathy for her and I’m sure many comments would have a different tone.

    And I’d be interested to know if her parents were monitoring her FB? She’s dating a much older person, commenting about wanting to kill herself, has a history of it…damn if I’d let my kid have a private FB that I couldn’t get into and didn’t monitor, much less if my child also had these issues. This girl should’ve been hospitalized. I’m all for antibullying legistlation, and strict punishment for those who do bully, but this is the wrong case to pick as an example. IMO, this has nothing to do with bullying…it has to do with a breakup and underlying issues that had been festering for some time.

  • Anonymous

    yeah but that’s IN right now.

  • dixiegirl3179

    Well I hope that your children and wife have access to the internet someplace else as you do. Your wife is a grown woman who can make her own choices as to what she chooses to do online. You couldn’t have moved one of the computers into your bedroom and limited the kids access to it? Yes, there is a lot of crap on the internet but it’s also a very useful tool. I can’t even count how many times I’ve saved time, money, and energy because I have the internet at my fingertips. Not to mention all that I’ve learned. Children need to know how to use the internet to get by in this world. For example, my college has nothing on paper anymore. EVERYTHING is done on the web, application, registration..they don’t even print up student handbooks or course schedules anymore.  

  • dixiegirl3179

    Ya know, when my 5 year old son says something mean to another child at pre K, I tell him about himself, as do his teachers. I recall the same when I was a young child. Is there some magical age that teachers and parents stop doing that? You’d think I would know since I was bullied, but I don’t. Maybe it’s JR High? I do remember getting picked on in the hallway and having the girls follow me into my class (before the bell) to continue it. The teacher didn’t say a thing to them even though they weren’t in the class. She couldn’t spit out a “shouldn’t you be headed to class, girls?”. That said I don’t consider it bullying if both parties are participating. Say girl 1 is dating a new guy and the guy’s ex girlfriend is being a crazy bitch, girl 1 telling her to STFU and go away is not bullying even if there is some name calling involved. Bullying is when one person harasses another when that person has done nothing wrong.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YNI5RQEBPVZAO34MRQJZPGUGKI Vicki

    I agree with most of you here.  WHERE THE HELL WERE HER PARENTS!  She is 15 years old.  My daughter will be 15 next month.   I’m on her facebook and monitor it reguarly.  Not to mention I have full access to her accounts.   If my kid were posting stuff like that on a public forum I would have to interviene and do SOMETHING!    Nothing is worth taking your life over and talk like that would disturb me.  .   She once told me she was going to kill herself because I wouldn’t let her do something she wanted to do.  My response was put on your shoes.   When she asked why I told her I was taking her to the hospital.   She of course relented and said she really wasn’t going to kill herself but she was angry.   She has never threatened it again.   

      I don’t fuck around with threats of sucide or sucidal behavior.  Most people think when someone threatens they are just looking for attention and sometimes they are but as a parent you cannot mess around these days.    I think the most important thing is being there.   My kid got bullied a lot when we first moved back to Michigan from California.   It didn’t help that my kid has a big mouth but she was really affected by it.   It didn’t help this was shortly after her dad passed away (kids can be real cruel with that one) but I think she managed to work her way through it because she had a stable home life and was able to bounce her pre-teen issues off me and I could help her find ways to cope and make friends.   I was also able to help her see what was good so she wasn’t left to dwell in the bad and self loathing.     This girl obviously did not have the same support system.   All it takes is one person to listen and care.    This girls parents are looking for a scape goat.   I bet they feel guilty for not knowing what was going on with her and not doing anything to prevent this.

  • http://infowars.com Domino

    amandas after death bullying got so bad that i personally contacted the staten island detectives unit and spoke with her detectives.

    people were posting buses, her photos shopped with her holding penises, trying to make memes, OH and to ice the cake, it was all done on privatized fb accounts (each and every one of them) – i know they go hard (massive eye roll).

    i think it was the worst “trolling” i’ve ever seen take place on a fb memorial page.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly! I agree that the family is putting this on bullying to assuage their own guilt over not having listened to their daughter’s cries for help. Parents everywhere need to look at cases like this one and see how important it is for them to listen to their kids. 

  • Anonymous

    Each to their own, there is no argument that will ever change my mind, unless of course social media such as assspace and crackbook is banned from the internet, then i would buy them one, oh and my wife agrees with me, after not having it around, she see’s the immediate benefits of us being more of a family, living a REAL life, not a fake one on crackbook. 

  • Anonymous

    Oh I know, I love goth. especially when the wife goes super goth for role playing…..HOT stuff !!

  • Anonymous

    I see where you are coming from.  I’m glad you were lucky enough to be noticed and that you have been able to come to a better place in your soul  :)  Good for you  :)  I just get real passionate about kids not being looked after properly (another thing that varies depending on the point of view) Let’s hope more kids get noticed and helped when they are trying to off themselves for lack of life skills.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds to me like it started in the family. Lack of family support made her boyfriend her everything.
    And the bullying harder to tolerate.. I don’t understand why families in these situations don’t put the kid in ANOTHER SCHOOL. 
    But anyhow, legislation for anti online bullying is only a smokescreen for giving up free speech rights online. It’s not the answer. Politically motivated fascism masqueraded as “caring so deeply for hurting teens” makes me sick.

  • Anonymous

    That reminds me of a thought that occurred to me. She was anorectic which is in many cases, terminal. Who’s to say that it wasn’t less selfish to end it quickly than put her family through 10 years of hell before dying of cardiac arrest due to malnutrition, kidney failure or whatever. Her method was selfish, yes. But due to many factors, she wasn’t in her right mind.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/ Dakota Valkyrie

    Cops say no bullying involved

    A despondent Staten Island girl who committed suicide by jumping in front of a bus last month was not bullied by her classmates, a police investigation has found.

    Numerous interviews with close friends and family members have yielded no proof that torment from fellow teens caused Amanda Cummings, 15, to kill herself two days after Christmas, multiple law-enforcement sources said.

    “No one had any previous signs of her being bullied,” said one source with knowledge of the case.

    A 15-year-old girl who had been friends with Cummings since the age of 3 told investigators that her friend fell hard for boys and took breakups very badly, sources said. She also said Cummings had recently been drinking and smoking heavily, the sources added.

    Another classmate, a 15-year-old boy, said Cummings had threatened to kill herself in the fall after a brief hookup ended, sources said.

    He said Cummings sobbed uncontrollably after the split, wandered into traffic near the high school and said she was going to jump in front of a bus, the sources added.

    Cummings had long battled depression, sources said, and was hospitalized in 2009 for cutting herself. But nothing in the psych records attributes her despondent mood to bullying, sources added.

    In her suicide note, Cummings gave no hint that she was being badgered and, instead, blamed herself for ruining another relationship, sources said.

    “I’m sorry I got between you and Becca’s friendship,” reads part of the four-page letter Cummings wrote to 19-year-old Devon Rodriguez, a boy she was pursuing, sources said. The girl mentioned is Rodriguez’s presumed other love interest, Rebecca Natali, 15, sources said.

    “I don’t deserve to live,” reads oversized print on the final page, sources added.

    Cummings’ mother, Cecile Weber, told detectives she is unsure why the teen’s uncle, Keith Cummings, made claims that her daughter had been harassed, sources said.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/suicide_bully_bogus_TxBAQtopgbYSuQCHWI0hPM

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/ Dakota Valkyrie

    Cops say no bullying involved

    A despondent Staten Island girl who committed suicide by jumping in front of a bus last month was not bullied by her classmates, a police investigation has found.

    Numerous interviews with close friends and family members have yielded no proof that torment from fellow teens caused Amanda Cummings, 15, to kill herself two days after Christmas, multiple law-enforcement sources said.

    “No one had any previous signs of her being bullied,” said one source with knowledge of the case.

    A 15-year-old girl who had been friends with Cummings since the age of 3 told investigators that her friend fell hard for boys and took breakups very badly, sources said. She also said Cummings had recently been drinking and smoking heavily, the sources added.

    Another classmate, a 15-year-old boy, said Cummings had threatened to kill herself in the fall after a brief hookup ended, sources said.

    He said Cummings sobbed uncontrollably after the split, wandered into traffic near the high school and said she was going to jump in front of a bus, the sources added.

    Cummings had long battled depression, sources said, and was hospitalized in 2009 for cutting herself. But nothing in the psych records attributes her despondent mood to bullying, sources added.

    In her suicide note, Cummings gave no hint that she was being badgered and, instead, blamed herself for ruining another relationship, sources said.

    “I’m sorry I got between you and Becca’s friendship,” reads part of the four-page letter Cummings wrote to 19-year-old Devon Rodriguez, a boy she was pursuing, sources said. The girl mentioned is Rodriguez’s presumed other love interest, Rebecca Natali, 15, sources said.

    “I don’t deserve to live,” reads oversized print on the final page, sources added.

    Cummings’ mother, Cecile Weber, told detectives she is unsure why the teen’s uncle, Keith Cummings, made claims that her daughter had been harassed, sources said.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/suicide_bully_bogus_TxBAQtopgbYSuQCHWI0hPM

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/ Dakota Valkyrie

    Cops say no bullying involved

    A despondent Staten Island girl who committed suicide by jumping in front of a bus last month was not bullied by her classmates, a police investigation has found.

    Numerous interviews with close friends and family members have yielded no proof that torment from fellow teens caused Amanda Cummings, 15, to kill herself two days after Christmas, multiple law-enforcement sources said.

    “No one had any previous signs of her being bullied,” said one source with knowledge of the case.

    A 15-year-old girl who had been friends with Cummings since the age of 3 told investigators that her friend fell hard for boys and took breakups very badly, sources said. She also said Cummings had recently been drinking and smoking heavily, the sources added.

    Another classmate, a 15-year-old boy, said Cummings had threatened to kill herself in the fall after a brief hookup ended, sources said.

    He said Cummings sobbed uncontrollably after the split, wandered into traffic near the high school and said she was going to jump in front of a bus, the sources added.

    Cummings had long battled depression, sources said, and was hospitalized in 2009 for cutting herself. But nothing in the psych records attributes her despondent mood to bullying, sources added.

    In her suicide note, Cummings gave no hint that she was being badgered and, instead, blamed herself for ruining another relationship, sources said.

    “I’m sorry I got between you and Becca’s friendship,” reads part of the four-page letter Cummings wrote to 19-year-old Devon Rodriguez, a boy she was pursuing, sources said. The girl mentioned is Rodriguez’s presumed other love interest, Rebecca Natali, 15, sources said.

    “I don’t deserve to live,” reads oversized print on the final page, sources added.

    Cummings’ mother, Cecile Weber, told detectives she is unsure why the teen’s uncle, Keith Cummings, made claims that her daughter had been harassed, sources said.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/suicide_bully_bogus_TxBAQtopgbYSuQCHWI0hPM