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Chicago Jogger Barely Survives 45 Minute Mauling By Two Pit BullsChicago, IL - Morning jogger Joseph Finley, 62, was reportedly left in critical condition after being bitten by two pit bulls over his entire body – including his legs, arms and face – police said.

The dogs, described by Chicago officials as unneutered adult males each weighing approximately 70 pounds, were reported to have attacked Finley on a popular south side Chicago jogging trail. One of the dogs was described as being chocolate brown in color and the other was described as being white with dark spots. The dogs were said to have had matching two-inch nylon collars.

Neighbor Stanley Lee opened an apartment window and heard Finley’s screams for help. When he looked out, he says he saw the two pit bulls attacking Finley.

“He was saying, ‘Help me, help me,’” Lee said. Lee grabbed a baseball bat and ran outside to try to chase the dogs away from the jogger. He said he hit the dogs repeatedly with the bat, but they would not release the man or stop their attack.

“They just wouldn’t let the man go,” Lee said.

Authorities said that police officers who arrived on the scene had similar success dissuading the dogs from their attack, leading them to shoot and kill the two dogs on site. According to a news account, all tolled the attack was said to have lasted 45-minutes.

Police have reportedly taken a man believed to be the dogs’ owner into custody, but no charges had been filed.

Cherie Travis, commissioner of Chicago animal care and control, said the most recent dog-related death she could recall was in January 2010 – when a man was killed by his daughter’s pit bulls inside their home. Despite the trend, Travis stressed that a dog’s breed is not the leading cause of aggressiveness, but – rather – how owners treat and train their dogs.

“The problem with (pit bulls) is not that they are bad dogs. The problem with the breed is people get them and don’t socialize them and don’t take them for training and they’re strong dogs,” Travis said. “The reality is we need to hold people responsible that if you get a dog, you are responsible for everything that happens.”

According to Travis, joggers are especially susceptible to aggressive dogs because they’re in constant motion. “The sad part is, joggers are interesting to dogs.” Travis said.

She added, “You’re not going to outrun it so be as still as possible, don’t make eye contact and look down. If a dog is acting threatening, curl up into a ball and try to protect your internal organs.”

Supplying your neighbors with fully automatic weapons may be helpful, as well.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EFHX7YJV7E75CMXRU3INLQ7ABY Todd

    But, they’re the nicest sweetest animals there are…..right. 

  • http://tothechest.com Pete Puma

    …and this is why I never let that breed lick the peanut butter off my genitals.

  • Anonymous

    Screw you, Travis! If Im being chased by 2 pits, I’m running my ass off; jumping on a car; climbing a tree;. I refused to lay down & be a chew toy. 

  • Anonymous

    I do not own a pit bull, nor do I ever intend to own one, for my own reasons.  I don’t see them as some nightmare mutant breed that are bred strictly to be “bad” dogs.  Some dogs are just that, but that’s not necessarily breed-exclusive. 

    We live in an extremely rural area, where everyone basically knows everyone else, so it’s not surprising to find that friends or relatives own dogs that are of the same litter of puppies.  My sister owned a pit.  She also had a young son, which, considering the way she treated the dog, was just taking her son’s life in her own hands.  Her dog was kept chained outside to a dog house pretty much 24/7, unless, on some rare occasion, she or her son would take the dog off the chain but keep him on a leash to walk or exercise him.  The boy was not a baby but he was maybe 8 or 9 years old and was small and skinny for his age.  He had no business trying to hold a dog of that size on a leash and thinking that he would be able to control the dog should something unexpected happen to provoke the dog, which is exactly what happened.

    Her son had a cat that they’d had since it wandered into their lives as a stray kitten.  The boy had the dog on a leash, walking him around the yard.  I say walking but actually the dog was pulling him around.  The cat just happened to walk out from under the car in the driveway and the boy decided to “play” with the animals, and he would allow the dog to get near the cat while he held the leash and he would pull the dog back at the last minute.  The dog went bananas and went after the cat, jerking the leash out of my nephew’s hand.  I had just walked out on the porch to see what the dog was barking at, just in time to see him go for the cat, grabbing it in his jaws and the  only way to describe the mauling would be to say the dog had the cat mutilated before I could even scream for my sister.

    She came running outside and finally choked the dog off the cat, but it was too late.  The only merciful thing at that point was that she had a pistol and put the cat out of its misery.  I was so shocked and angry that I was screaming at her, screaming at the kid, just screaming.  My sister led the dog away toward the backyard.  A few seconds later we heard the gun go off again.  She had shot the dog in the head.  I will never forget this as long as I live.

    Now, I have a cousin who owns a litter mate of that same dog.  He is babied, treated like the family pet he is, and he is probably over 150 lbs.  The dog will scare the crap out of you if you drive in the yard and he barks furiously.  Yet, when you sit down in the living room (yes, he’s basically a house dog), he will try to climb into your lap and curl up like a little lap dog.

    The difference is in the way the dogs were treated and raised.  It has nothing to do with what breed the dogs are.  They come from two pit bull parents.  I’m not trying to start some kind of doggy debate here, but I honestly believe that it’s the environment, and not the temperament of the breed, that determines whether or not the dog is dangerous.  Sorry to write a book here…. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Ferreira/100000721543293 Diane Ferreira

    Whenever I go for a neighborhood stroll with my son, I immediately cringe when I see a pitbull.I don’t care how many times I hear “don’t worry he doesn’t bite” I scoop my son right up and walk as fast as I can. I love dogs but that is one breed I fear.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you. Some friends of mine adopted a rescue pit (which you couldn’t pay me all the money in the world to do). He was a pretty young pup when they adopted him but he had scarring so he obviously didn’t have the best start at life, and that dog is the best trained, biggest baby you could ever see. He thinks he’s a lap dog, and all you have to do is look at him wrong and his feelings get hurt, but I’ve never seen that dog get any sort of mad. Does that mean I’ll trust any pit that comes my way. No. NOOOO. But I do feel they’re not all bad.

  • Anonymous

    I FUCKING LOVE YOU CHERIE TRAVIS!

    You said it all. This could’ve all been avoided if the dogs had been properly socialized. PERIOD.

    No matter what the breed is, the DOGS HAVE TO BE SOCIALIZED WITH OTHER DOGS, ANIMALS AND PEOPLE.

    My AB was properly socialized and she was 64lbs of muscle and dumbassery. Any dog she wanted to meet and anyone who wanted to pet her was welcomed HOWEVER one of us had to be present because otherwise the dog would perceive the unknown person as intruder & would go on PROTECTION MODE. As soon as one of us would show up, her whole attitude changed.

    Also, if your dog IS NOT SOCIALIZED, make sure the dog IS NOT ABLE TO HAVE CONTACT WITH PERSONS & ANIMALS. CONTROL IT.

    Our next dog’s gonna be a Pit. We have already looked into health care (that’s how we lost our AB), training & obedience training for the summer & winter, the time when we are to get the dog (as in a Spring puppy to start walking the shit out of it), and the time in our lives that we are to get the dog (as in when the dog we have passes, the kids are at least 5 – 6yrs old & we don’t have rug in our living room).

    We have learned from our mistakes and we are being great, responsible owners to our dog & plan on stepping up to be better ones when we get a stronger, bigger dog for the 2nd time.

  • Anonymous

    The pit didn’t get the memo.

    YOU SHOOT PEOPLE, NO LONGER MAUL.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent, post, thank you for sharing all of that with us!

  • Anonymous

    That poor man what a horrible way to die or be seriously injured.

  • NY_Mommy

    I’m not going to start the long debate about the owner or the breed. I have owned pits for years and just last week had to put down my beloved pit Cain after 13 years together.

    I will say this, dog owners of any breed should start getting serious criminal charges in these instances. As if they were the attacker themselves. 45 minutes is a long time for dogs to be on the loose.

  • Anonymous

    I usually take mace with me when I go out for exercise for this very reason. I have a few neighbors who really think it’s OK to let their dogs run loose. I generally have my schnauzer with me if I’m outside and I will not hesitate to give a dog a spray if they threaten me or my dog. I don’t trust any strange dog I don’t know.

  • Anonymous

    One thing that I DID learn in college while taking Linguistics was the diference in body language with the cultures. The English speaking cultures tend to look at people in the eyes while talking, all the time UNLESS people are lying. This is a sign of directness, to try to get the message across & of seriousness in the words.

    HOWEVER the hispanic/latino culture never looks at you straight in the eye & can not contain eye contact while speaking, UNLESS they are being thruthfull or ORDERING YOU.  This is a sign of respect, a bit of admirance & to honor the adult in the conversation.

    This translates into a clusterfuck when an American is trying to speak to a Latino (for example) & the American thinks the latino is afraid or fearful/lying. While the Latino is showing respect.

    In both cultures eye contact is also a sign of intimacy.

    HOWEVER in DOG BEHAVIOR, eye contact is a sign of DEFIANCE of leadership to a “top/leader of the pack” dog. Which is a big problem if you don’t know how to treat/ are not a dog person.

    If I don’t know a dog, I am hyper aware of not looking at them in the eyes.

    Try it with your dog. Look at them straight in the eye. A well behaved dog that knows its place in the pack in your house will break eye contact, look the opposite way and depending on the mood you both are will eventually walk away from you or show you its belly. This will mean: “You win, you are the boss, I am not a threat to you or your place in the pack, I am a lowly pack member and I accept you as my leader”.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you completely. I am a dog person. I however believe that if the parents were BRED from fighting dogs that, THAT particular genetic family must be taken out of the breed.  As to not contaminate the rest of the breed with that DNA strand.

    This sounds ugly, but they are animals… however with some of the shits we see here in DD, it COULD apply to humans too.

  • Anonymous

    Go ahead and debate here, no one will mind.  It beats the usual self-righteous interjection every time.

  • Dani

    I realize that a lot of people subscribe to the theory that pit bulls are little angels & anything bad done by them is a direct result of rubbish owners who have cruelly made them stray from their naturally angelic path & probable dog charity work.
    I also realize some people have read statistics that say that most deaths from dog attacks are done by pit bulls & it’s fairly likely that the breed is inhabited by the souls of Hitler & John Wayne Gacy.
    Either way, I’m gonna hedge my bets & choose to not own a really sweet & wonderful dog who, if it decides to turn & be possessed by Ed Gein, is gonna rip me apart simply by virtue of its biology & structure.
    I like my fish. I don’t fully trust it cuz it’s one o them fightin fish, so I keep it in a tank & keep the snuggling to a minimum, but at least if it turns on me, I can just not feed it & problem solved.

  • TheLadyDragon

    Both human beings and dogs need to be properly socialized otherwise shit like this keeps happening. I believe that dogs that are trained to fight or be aggressive should be humanely euthanized if they cannot be retrained/rehabilitated and the ‘owner’ responsible for the abuse and training should be shot in the face.

    I love pit-bull terriers, mastiffs, boxers, american bulldogs, dobermans, rottweilers, all the ‘bad’ dogs…. poor things. And I hope the jogger recovers, that must have been horrifying.

  • Anonymous

    It’s funny, my dog loves to maintain eye contact when I’m cuddling him for some reason and it isn’t seen as anything. When he’s in trouble though, he behaves exactly as described. 

  • Anonymous

    Bad idea! Trust me, Officer Travis’s advice could save you in a similar incident. Your instincts to run could get you hurt or worse. Dogs are much faster than we are and running, screaming, pulling away from a bite just triggers their prey drive more. If you have kids, please read http://www.doggonesafe.com, to help educate them and yourself. Hopefully you will never need to deal with any of this, but it’s always good to be prepared just in case.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Not here to get into the breed versus owner issue. I just wanted to say what an amazing person the neighbor, Stanley Lee, is. It takes a lot of guts to wade into two 70 pound pit bulls mauling someone to death armed with nothing but a bat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/HamsterNinjaofDOOM Alecia Hendricks

    I had a pit and I loved it to death, he didn’t seem to have a bit of aggression in him. You’re way of thinking isn’t bad though. Truth is, if he ever did snap for whatever reason he could very easily kill whatever he’s pointing at, he’s big and weighs over 100 pounds.

    I let my ex take him when we split, it made me sad as hell but if he ever does go bonkers I’d rather it not be on me or the little ones. Not saying I want him to eat my ex or anything >.> Totally not saying that <.<

  • Anonymous

    Now I’m picturing the actual Stan Lee, in a bathrobe, swinging a bat at pit bulls. That’s a comic I’d love to see.

  • Anonymous

    Truth is that any large dog can be dangerous.  I’ve always had large dogs (and always will).  I have a 2 year old grandaughter and even though I know my dogs would never hurt her, I still do not leave her alone with them at any time.  There are countless stories you could research about “good dogs” mauling children or even turning on their owners.  Pit Bulls are a breed better known for turning.  But I don’t think that means they are all bad.  I know several families that have them and they are very loving.  I was walking my dog through my quiet little town last summer and 3 boxers came out of a fence and started attacking him.  I couldn’t do anything but scream.  The owner finally came out and yelled at the dogs and they ran off.  Of course, they never did anything like that before, they are nice dogs, blah blah blah.  I believe they probably are, but keep them in their fence damn it.  I think as the owner of a large breed dog, you have to be aware that they could be dangerous and it is up to you to make sure that their cages/chains are always secure and that they can not escape.  Most of the time they are just protecting their property, but you should be held responsible for what happens if they do harm anyone.

  • Anonymous

    Formerly abused dogs are the scariest. No matter how nice they are, you just never know what could trigger something in them.

    They’re animals, it would be silly to ever really ‘trust’ them.

  • Anonymous

    I figure a dog that gets taken out for walks is probably better-socialized, and I worry less about them than the dogs that spend all day, every day alone in a backyard or on a chain.

  • wolfcat

    Yeah, if you run you will get mauled. I had a rescue dog that was sweet as pie until something set him off (bikes, skates, and skateboards) The first time I found out we were sitting on the porch with the dog and he was off leash and hadn’t budged until this kid about 12 went by on a skateboard. I know dog language pretty well so when my dog reacted I screamed freeze and the kid froze and my dog stopped charging. The kid didn’t get bit. The next time the dog was on leash and a friend was holding the leash and when a biker went by the dog yanked the leash out of her hand and went after him. I yelled stop, the idiot pedaled faster and the dog did not have a problem catching up to him. I’m sure he was bit multiple times until the dog got bored and came back. My dog was an Australian Shepherd/ Border Collie mix, apparently he was trying to herd anything on small wheels and his nip was not fun and he would break skin. Anyone who thinks pitbulls are bad dogs are idiots. They said the same thing about great danes, german shepherds, rottweilers, dobermans, and now it’s the pitbull’s turn to be the bad guy. People always want to think there is a “bad dog” and there is no such thing. Ignorant people, on the other hand, abound… Any dog can be vicious with bad breeding and without proper socialization, training, and exercise. I see good pitbulls all the time at the dog park, it’s the dogs you only ever see in a back yard that you should worry about.

  • Anonymous

    Huh what?! There are a ton of Hispanics where I live, I have daily contact with them (friends, neighbors, extended family) and I have never noticed a difference in eye contact between them and other races/cultures.

    A Google search shows this is a fairly common belief, but it does not line up with my experiences at all. Strange…

  • Anonymous

    When you have an option between getting a Pit Bull, and getting one of the hundreds of breeds of dogs that we *don’t* see mauling stories about every month, why on earth would you choose a Pit?, That makes absolutely no sense.

    Seriously, JGo, you have kids. Having a Pit Bull around is like having a loaded gun. Sure, it could turn out to save you, but chances are a lot better someone in your family’s going to be hurt by it. They’re dogs, you cannot truly control or predict them.

    I just don’t see the reward as justifying the risk, not by a long shot. There are a lot of breeds out there with excellent reputations, why not choose one of them?

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  • Anonymous

    Only good pitbull is a dead one, that said, let the pit lovers begin the attack on me.

  • http://akemi-mokoto.me Akemi Mokoto

    What nonsense. It’s not the dog, but the owner? NO! It is both the dog and the owner. If it was just the owner, don’tcha think the Labrador retriever(best dog in the world :3) attack would be in the news more often than a pit bull? Come on now, it is not JUST the owner. 

  • Anonymous

    “Try to protect your internal organs”

    I’m not sure why, but that statement made me “wtf” to myself. 

    As for the dogs, sure, pit bulls might be strong, but the article is right that any dog of decent size can end up doing this if not socialized or socialized to be aggressive. My dad’s best friend got mauled in I believe 2002 or 2003 while jogging through a park in downtown Detroit (don’t ask, he did it every day and was ok with being mugged more than once). The five dogs were mixed-breed total mutts that looked like german shepherds had a bastard child with a doberman pinscher, and one lab-looking dog…he had both of his legs completely mangled, one of his shins broken, massive chunks of flesh hanging off his body, and multiple broken bones in his arms and hands, from trying to fight them off.

    He didn’t see who the dogs were with, but it was obvious they had a handler or something because someone whistled and they all ran away in the same direction. 

    It’s sort of funny what the reaction of the police was when he managed to drag himself the half-mile to the freeway and flag down help…their first reaction to someone bleeding from their femoral artery was to lecture him on not carrying “proper identification” with him. Yeah, he left Detroit after that. Less from the dogs, more from the idiot police.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Huh. I have eye contact all the time with my dogs, especially when training them. As far as who the boss/leader is, all I have to do at my house is look at my mutts and ask “Who’s the queen?” My 1 1/2 year old lab mix lays down and rolls over in front of me and the little 14 week old cocker spaniel/lab/heeler mix sits and stares at me. She’s young, she’ll learn to roll over soon.

  • NY_Mommy

    I find it very strange that you would use children as a reason not to get a dog that was once known as the ‘nanny dog’. I actually would prefer my children with a pit bull. Since they have such a high pain tolerance they don’t care if a small child pokes an eye, pulls the tail. Now my German Shephard on the other hand, she is not allowed to be alone with the children ever. She doesn’t take kindly to this toddler behavior.

  • Valerie

    My landlord forced us to give up our AB mix because our neighbor’s were “scared” because he looked like he might have pit in him and they threatened to move. However, there GSD/Rott mix had already bit me. I didn’t turn it in because I figured the dog was scared and I didn’t want to start shit. I told them that the dog had bit me, and they said they would make sure he was never loose again. Last night, that dog was loose and attacked my other neighbor and her dog. Thankfully, they are both okay. I am still pissed because I had to get rid of my well socialized, trained dog due to ignorance, and they still have this catastrophe waiting to happen.

  • Valerie

    This was my AB mix, Roscoe with my chocolate lab, Cocoa

  • Anonymous

    My issue is that they were once known as a nanny dog and I don’t trust the modern lines of the breed to be with any child unsupervised, of course, I don’t trust any child to be alone with a dog no matter the breed. I do think part of the problem is with how they are raised, but it has been shown time and again that temperament is a breed-able trait for good or ill and I think the breed has been tainted at this point with to many unpredictable animals. It’s not the animals fault that it has happened, but I think the breed needs to be genetically cleaned up and that will only happen once morons stop wanting one as dick size enhancement.   

  • Anonymous

    Fucking rat their irresponsible shitty motherfucking owner ass out!

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. You are ordering them & they know you’re the boss, so they break eye contact unless they are waiting for you to tell them what to do.

  • NY_Mommy

    Wait, what? The modern lines are tainted? A entire breed can not be tainted. Now I’m not a scientist but I think that that is impossible. A bad pit will taint any pups he sired but it’s an awful big stretch to say an entire breed is tainted. If you have 2 mentally healthy, non related pits I would imagine that they would produce sound pups. If you have an aggressive, crazy dog I could see where it could produce unstable pups. But that same thing could be said about any breed of dogs, not just pit bulls.

  • Anonymous

    As a family we had done our research with the AB & just like that we have done with the Pits. Not only are they the most versatile breed for working, hunting, protection, agility, and schultz…(pulling) but they are also one the breeds that is eager to please the owners. Just like Labs, and Retrievers, Pitbulls are easier to potty train than Yorkies, have a happy-ready to learn attitude (which our AB & American Bulldogs in general DO NOT have) & pick up things just as quickly as Poodles, & Airdales (which happen to be very hard to train & are aloof to the owner’s desires).

    Oh that & they have short hair… AND I LIVE NEXT TO A TOWN WITH A NICE FAT PAEDO/RSO’s JAIL.

  • Anonymous

    They have been Americanized. However, notice this particularity when you go to any Spanish speaking country that’s not bordering the USA.

  • Anonymous

    Does he once blink? Or looks quickly the other way? Either way he knows you are the boss.

    Dogs that have attacked humans DO NOT back down on a staring challenge.

  • Anonymous

    I would not have gotten rid of my dog because of these people.

  • Anonymous

    When I hear Stan Lee I think of the comic book writer.I picture him out there with the bat.

  • Anonymous

    Lol Me too

  • wyrosjr

    Your sister is a trooper. She did the right thing.

  • wyrosjr

    If you can’t do it here, where can you?

  • wyrosjr

    Nanny dog sounds like something dreamed up by a breed advocate. Show me the evidence please?

  • wyrosjr

    The whole idea behind selective breeding is to select for certain traits. Who the owners are is key to that. Obviously, the breed is not selected for traits that relate to kindness. If any breed has been handled worse, I’d like to see it. Go talk to some owners and they will talk about: 1. size of the dog 2. size of his head 3. size of genitalia 4. how tough it is etc… cmon

  • Anonymous

    I have a min pin who cannot STAND joggers or bicycles. Things in motion set him off. I don’t think he’d actually attack someone if he caught them, because he catches the cats when they run and never hurts them, but he doesn’t seem able to restrain himself from trying to chase. Luckily, he weighs about 17 pounds, so he’s unlikely to pull away from me. (Yes, I’m working on training him, but he doesn’t seem to learn well at all. Sigh.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shannon-Bennett/1803988499 Shannon Bennett

    I had a pit bull once since he was a puppy … Raised with kids cats another dog and well socialized  … Started getting aggressive towards certain people other animals including our other pets, so we decided to take him for dog training … He was a very smart dog but everything we tried to stop his aggressiveness (lunging) wasn’t working, so we decided we had to put him down so no one got hurt or worse.     

  • NY_Mommy

    Two things, 1 I have never EVER heard somebody brag about the size of a dogs genitalia and 2 I don’t see what your reply had to do with my comment. I said an entire breed can’t be tainted. I’m not quite sure what your reply is about. Are you stating that all pit bull breeders are tainted?

  • NY_Mommy

    Hmmm, a quick google search would have helped you look less ignorant. You are probably also unaware that President Roosevelt had a pit bull in the White House with him. That Helen Keller, Mark Twain, President Woodrow Wilson and General George Patton all owned pit bulls.

    http://www.ywgrossman.com/photoblog/?p=676

    Just in case you didn’t want to check out the link, here’s a direct quote ‘For generations if you had children and wanted to keep them safe you
    wanted a pit bull, the dog that was the most reliable of any breed with
    children or adults.’

  • Athena

    Here’s an even better quote: “They have been bred for hundreds of years for strength, agility, high pain tolerance and absence of aggression toward humans.”  Source: Pit Bulls score better on temperament tests than the general dog population.

    Emphasis mine.  No disrespect to anyone, but it’s kind of silly to think that 20 or 30 years of pits being bred by thugs will undo HUNDREDS of years of breeding aggression toward humans out of them.  I mean, we’re talking about thugs, here.  I lived in the hood for years, surrounded by pit owners, and none of them are smart enough to pull off “selective breeding” if they had to subsidize their welfare income with it.  They just breed them.  Not selectively.  It’s more aesthetic, than anything.  ”Yo, man… yo’ dog be lookin’ savage.  If you let my dog fuck her, I’ll split the puppies wit’ ya.”  Yeah, that’s about as sophisticated as it gets, unless you’re Michael Vick or something.

  • wyrosjr

    Pictures of a dog with a kid don’t prove it was a nanny breed. It more than likely means that the breed was popular. Now please link me to something a little more substantial in nature, rather than an opinion piece by an author who can’t stay out of the kool aid.

  • wyrosjr

    I am sorry, but I am casting negative aspersions on the average pit bull owner. If the breed isn’t tainted by now, I’m not sure what would qualify? Certainly not all pit owners are bad but even you have to admit that a higher number of them are douches as compared to other breeds? Not good company to be in. The genitalia size comment was facetious with a bit of sarcasm.

    Perhaps if they added a temperament testing procedure to all registered pit type dogs, they could maybe turn the breed around.

  • NY_Mommy

    Really dude? Are you google lazy? There are many articles on the nanny dog being that it is a fact. I chose that link out of many just because of all the pretty pictures. I figured you would relate to pics better than words.

    You stated that the breed was probably popular. Why do you think that is? Because they were running around mauling everyone?

  • NY_Mommy

    That is spot on.

  • NY_Mommy

    Your stereotyping is at an all time high. I don’t think you grasp the whole breed tainting thing. A bloodline can be tainted but not an entire breed.
    ‘not all pit owners are bad but even you have to admit that a higher number of them are douches as compared to other breeds’ – I thing the statistics in your head are way off. I assume you are basing your opinions on the scary picture that has been painted of pit bulls. They have been faithful pets for 100′s of years. But they are not the problem. It is the asshole owners that are the problem. Say we round up all the pit bulls and send them to outer space. Do you think it will be problem solved, no more attacks or maulings? No, the assholes will just move on to another breed. At the end of the day the asshole dog owners are the problem therefore they need to be held accountable. The laws need to be changed. Animal abusers need to get way more jail time/punishment and the owners of these attacking dogs – no matter what breed – need to be held responsible. Whoever owned these 2 dogs in this story should be in jail as if he mauled the man himself.

    I realize that I am not going to turn you into a pit loving individual so at this point its cool with me if you want to agree to disagree.

  • Athena

    Some people desire to cling to their opinionated ignorance.  He likely doesn’t want to do the research because he doesn’t care to disprove his beliefs.  There’s nothing anyone can do about that.

    You can lead a horse to water, and whatnot… 

  • shannie

    Wait a second here…you’re not a scientist? 

  • NY_Mommy

    Damn it, stay on TCR. You’re learning all my secrets. No, I’m not a scientist. I’m actually a yeti. But beware tomorrow I might be a shit talking avocado

  • shannie

    lol..

    Whenever I see these dog attack threads, I get that “Groundhog Day” feeling, been there, argued that point, argued this point, and what I’ve come to find is some people just don’t like certain breeds and some people just don’t like dogs…so that tends to create blame towards the dog, not the owners…I’m totally against banning breeds, I’m personally not a Pit fan, but I respect the breed. I realized I don’t like Pits because I’ve only been exposed to the “street” type of dogs that you just knew were gonna maul a kid one day and had shitty owners. It wasn’t the dog. I love dogs, I have my Siberian Husky and my Boxer and a slew of other family members dogs that I consider family ( cukoo..lol)..

  • Anonymous

    P*WNED wyrosjr!

  • Anonymous

    I only “LIKED” your comment for the serial killers’ shout out & the Killer Betta you own.

  • Anonymous

    *Raspberry*

  • Anonymous
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  • Anonymous

    That nanny dog is a lot of ridiculous PR bullshit.  Count up the number of kids killed by pit breeds in the last few years and see if you even want to bother finding a historic source for being some sort of ‘nanny’ breed. My issue with pit breeds is their history of having unstable temperaments, along with the difficulty in stopping their terribly effective attacks. Case in point, this guy with a baseball bat couldn’t get these dogs off this guy. Pit dogs aren’t ideal family dogs. And they’re an enormous amount of work. Just get a freaking Bassett hound instead.

  • Anonymous

    All I see are things regurgitated from the same enthusiasts beginning around 1970.  So I’m sure you’ll supply an actual historical source for my education and not some crap unsourced 

    blog postings, yeah? K, thx.

  • Anonymous

    I went up through chapter 6, which addresses the broad bulldog category in a historical sense and no ‘nanny’ reputation was claimed, so cite where this was relevant more precisely.

  • Anonymous

    If I remember from “A Dog’s History of America,” (because despite appearances, I’m actually an avid dog person, even pits, ha,) Roosevelt’s bully attacked a number of people in the White House. Not exactly the example I’d be hanging my hat on… Unless I wanted to look ignorant ;-)

  • Anonymous

    Here is Our Pack’s Facebook Status From Today (they had some of the Vick dogs):
    In Leo’s Memory-
    Leo helped to bring about an awareness that saved many, many dogs. In
    his memory it’s my wish that his work that helped to change the false
    image of the dogs continues and lives on until no dog has to be judged
    on anything other than his own merit. Profiling is seen so much in
    our human nature. We see it down through history. BSL is just that.
    It’s not based on actual assessment of each and every dog but by labeling without actual evaluated data.
    In part, Leo broke a mold of thinking about pit bulls and especially
    dogs coming from fight busts. He showed the world that he was just who
    he was, regardless of what someone thought he was or that Michael Vick
    owned him or he lived on Moonlight Drive in a state called Virginia.
    Dogs do not discriminate. They may not like every dog, they may like
    all dogs or not any. However, from what I can tell, their like or
    dislike is not based on the fact that they are Chihuahuas, pit bulls,
    mixed breeds or who knows whatever. I would expect that humans could
    have the same sense of judgement. Leo kept the peace in our home
    with our other dogs, would work to please us, would strive for a happy
    pack and his actions were based on what he saw at the moment, he lived
    in the moment, not in the past. You can see that in this picture. His
    optimism and love for life will be missed in my heart forever. I
    want his memory and image and what he stood for to live on and continue
    to be a symbol of what is possible, that there’s hope for a day when
    dogs and all living things, will be judged on an individual basis…..As
    Leo would have seen it. Please share not only this post but the this concept. For the dogs’ sake, I wouldn’t want Leo’s work to be forgotton. For my Leo, 2005 – 2011

  • Anonymous

    Tying up and neglecting her dog, then not educating or properly supervising her kid, is the right thing? What am I missing here? All I see about that story is Fail, fail, and fail!

  • Valerie

    I had no choice. We had a week to get rid of him or move. Moving isn’t an option.

  • Valerie

    Done, i should have done it when it first bit me, but I was trying to be nice. I also figured the dog was scared (it was loose and running all over dragging a bunch of stuff that it’s chain ahd tangled). I caught it because my kids were about to come home from school and it had our electric meter reader guy cornered. So they have to get rid of their dog now, thankfully. It’s a ticking time bomb.

  • Anonymous

    Kudos to you, a dog is worthless if they only are nice to one or 2 people, what kind of life is that when you have to keep them away from EVERYONE cause they are psychotic. I stand by my statment, only good pit is a dead one.

  • http://truecrimereport.com iLLusionS

    Agree with most things said here, as I have stated my sister still has a pit that was a rescue, and I had one for 10 years. Without incident. But these dogs were left free, and were 2 strong, and at the end of it all it IS this OWNERS fault for what happened to this jogger. It would be no different then owning two tigers, and letting them roam free, or having a fence, that is just not escape proof. And I KNOW how smart pits are, so you have to be smarter in securing their pens. And if you can’t control or contain one, don’t go out and get a whole bunch more you can’t control.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry for your loss.

    We might be annoyed by them, but at the end of the day we’d get annoyed once or twice & the rest of the day’s spent calling them goofy names & being comforted, loved & made happy by them.

  • Anonymous

    When I say tainted I mean that there are too many what if’s for me to have one in my home. Just because the parents have currently shown no aggressive tendencies up to the point of having a litter doesn’t mean that they won’t in the future or that a recessive trait won’t be apparent in the puppies. I know a professional breeder and sometimes no matter how good the sire and the bitch are the puppies can have a breed genetic problem. In her case the dogs are rare enough because they are a saved breed that she just keeps the dogs so that the trait doesn’t spread. I don’t think that Pits have that kind of protection, so yes I think the entire breed is suspect. Is it the dogs fault? No, it’s never the animals fault. Pits were breed for a specific purpose and in days gone by may have been a perfect dog to own with children, but I really think that has changed. I’m not going to villainize someone who chooses to own one, but I think it is a gamble to own any dog that has potential to kill or maim a person. My sister has two children and owns a Dobey. This dog is super sweet, but I think it is a stupid decision to have that animal in the house. All it would take is for the dog to get cranky one day and seriously do harm to her kids.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Mmmmmmm, avocado. It’s guacamole time!

  • NY_Mommy

    I heard that before but was never able to find anything to back that up. So after reading your reply I searched again and found an ebook of ADHoA and all it says in there is that Pete once ripped off a guys pants. And that doesn’t surprise me given that it also said that they had many dogs and there were often dog fights in the white house (amongst all the dogs/non pit bull). Doesn’t exactly sound like a safe controlled environment. Other than that I have not been able to find anything on Pete biting anybody. Given this new information I have to imagine that President Roosevelt wasn’t exactly the best dog owner so I won’t reference him anymore.

  • Anonymous

    “No disrespect to anyone, but it’s kind of silly to think that 20 or 30 years of pits being bred by thugs will undo HUNDREDS of years of breeding aggression toward humans out of them”

    I must disagree here, research has shown that it only takes a few generations to significantly change a canid including temperament and even coat and eye color. In the Russian Silver Fox experiment it took very few steps to breed human friendly dogs with the looks of a domestic canine.
    http://www.hum.utah.edu/~bbenham/2510%20Spring%2009/Behavior%20Genetics/Farm-Fox%20Experiment.pdf 

    The very issue you are describing as hood breeding is exactly the problem I see with the animals. These dogs are not being selected for anything at all, and if the aggressiveness slips through then it just keeps perpetuating itself on through the line with all the hasty unplanned dog sex. As I’ve said before, all dogs can attack and can be dangerous, but not all of them are as dangerous. I, personally, would not take a chance on an animal that has a distinct history of seriously injuring people.

    http://www.propertycasualty360.com/2011/07/27/top-7-dangerous-dog-breeds

  • Anonymous

    That’s really horrible. I couldn’t ever imagine having to give up my dog. I really hope eventually find some little guy to help fill the hole in the future.

  • Anonymous

    He knows who’s boss, but he is a schnauzer and they are known for being headstrong and stubborn so sometimes he decides to buck authority in his strange little ways like beating up a toy in effigy when he’s mad at us. He will blink when he’s cuddling, it’s certainly not a dominance issue, but it is the oddest thing. I have never seen another dog do it. 

  • Anonymous

    “who’s the queen?” 

    That’s great.

  • Anonymous

    So far I have been unable to uncover the source of the “nanny dog” nickname. I appreciate the challenge, and I will keep trying, but if I am wrong, I am wrong. Here is the response I got from the Stubby Dog Project: While there is lots of
    documentation that pit bull type dogs have been family dogs (and great
    with kids) throughout their history, the term “nanny dog” is hard to pin
    down. We’re researching the historical references for an article, so
    we’ll let you know what we find. In the
    meantime, here’s an awesome collection of historic photos showing pit
    bulls as family dogs, including tons of them with kids. In the end, the
    photos speak louder and more accurately than any nickname ever could!: http://www.badrap.org/vintage-photos

  • CT

    I told you I thought that avocado was a vag.  Please keep it in that vain.  More crotch, less veggie.  I am channeling the baker on this one.

  • NY_Mommy

    Crtoch, crotch, crotch. Got it. Shit talking Va jay jay.

  • Anonymous

    Oddly enough, I think your first paragraph should totally apply to people too.  :P

    “I believe that humans that are trained to fight or be aggressive should be humanely euthanized if they cannot be retrained/rehabilitated and the ‘parent’ responsible for the abuse and training should be shot in the face.”

    Works for me… 

  • wyrosjr

    I looked up your source and the foundation of the article was the ATTS, which, it turns out is an assessment for a dogs working capacity. It does not measure aggression. The commenters to the article pointed this out and how it’s misleading. Another kool aid drinker. Athena I expect some bias from me, but not this much from you!

    Unfortunately, I have known some less than savory types who have bred fighting dogs. They do use criteria to selectively breed the animals. Nothing complex, but nonetheless effective. They select for 1. overall size 2. head size 3. aggression. No, they aren’t smart but they are determined and often undertake the hobby with a sort of passion. These type of people are molding these dogs right now. Which is why the size of the bulldog has increased from the roughly 35 lbs of its ancestor, the stafforshire terrier. Now some dogs are over 100 lbs, but I’m sure this increased size will let them nanny more children.

    Now, for some real statistics. How about a CDC study(http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf )from the year 2000,
    “The study found reports of 238 people killed by dogs over the 24-year period, of which “pit bull terrier” or mixes thereof were reportedly responsible for killing 76, or about 32 percent, of the people killed by dogs in the attacks identified in the study.” Further,

    “It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities.”

    No other dog is banned in as many places as the pit bull. No other dog raises insurance rates as much as pit bulls. No other breed is declared as “vicious” by a state of the Union, Ohio. No other breed is banned by a whole country, Australia.

  • wyrosjr

    It was a popular breed for the same reason that people love the fearsome and the ferocious. Same reasons for the popularity of the dangerous animals at the zoo. Go study some car/truck design. People love “menacing” features. It fills some sort of need for them.

  • Anonymous

    Leo wasn’t mine (but thank you for your kind words). I copied and pasted to illustrate that a Michael Vick dog (bred from fighting lines) went on to become a therapy dog and a pit bull ambassadog. I am a fan of many individual pits who I have met, but I admittedly like pointier dogs myself (to own at least).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerald-Banks/100000163098729 Gerald Banks

    Why do people even have these dogs in residential areas?  Dogs like that should be banned from areas where people, especially children, live.  Also, if they are allowed to stay the city should imposed strict regulations for the owners and inspections should be done randomly.  Yes, it will cost so let the owners pay the cost of enforcing the laws.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Ju1cEE DeVanne JuiceeJenice Chinn

    this is why i don’t exercise

  • Anonymous

    Actually there is nothing more dangerous than humans . They should all be spayed and neutered.

  • zz greg

     I recently attached a Jim Bowie knife to the end of 3 foot aluminum tube. The handle of the knife was a good fit inside the end of the tube.  I then concealed the knife  with an empty paper towel tube. Before attaching the knife   I used to take the alum  tube along during dog walks in the park until I read taking along a golf club, baseball bat or other (potential) weapon was illegal.  Huh?   I know keep the knife-tube at home. I don’t know who was swinging a baseball bat that could not disable a Pit Bull, but I can’t imagine any dog withstanding a 6 inch knife blade thrust.  I know take along a very sturdy, 4 foot  “walking stick”  on my dog walks.