Missing Indiana Girl Found Dead, Babysitter Arrested

On his facebook(s) He looks like billy ray cyrus .. http://www.facebook.com/mplumadore1    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000603894544

Wtf is the point of having a sex offender registry? So we know where to look when a child goes missing? If the child went missing, chances are its already too fucking late! Just castrate the fuckers!

What can I say? 15 sex offenders in that dump alone, and she never even gave it a thought as to who she was leaving her kid with. Doesn’t matter how many kids a person is around on a daily basis, doesn’t exclude anyone from being sick. Doesn’t matter what excuse she gives, I have a hard time letting my younger sisters walk home from the school bus stop (two minutes away)..Forget leaving them alone with someone who doesn’t know I’d kill them in ten seconds if I so much as suspected anything.

You are so very right.  Just a bullet between the eyes upon conviction.  Why do we keep these f*ckers, and other violent criminals in our society?  It doesn’t make any sense.  

And WTF is up with poor dad working nights and not watching his kid? Lazy POS. For about a year when my kids were babies I worked at night at a hospital so I could stay at home with my kids. I literally ran on fumes but, I’d die of exhaustion before I left my kids with a stranger.

Lets just do something better, bring back capital punishment every where and actually use it..Not all these things have to do with actual sex, so castrating could be useless..So lets just get rid of the whole POS.

are you insinuating that there is something wrong with a toddler in a bra and miniskirt being on facebook ? how dare you

:p

his facebook is just another episode of “toddlers in tiaras” only…  they end up murdered

Apparently he had beaten and then dismembered her…

http://news.yahoo.com/police-babysitter-beat-dismembered-indiana-girl-154715975.html;_ylt=AvGLnY9c3ftz8MvW.3haHyyr9HQA;_ylu=X3oDMTQzNG1uYWZkBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIFRvcFN0b3JpZXMEcGtnA2Q2MmYwMTBlLTg5MTAtMzE1MC1iOWRlLWI1N2VmZWZlYzI5NgRwb3MDNQRzZWMDTWVkaWFTZWN0aW9uTGlzdAR2ZXIDZjY5ODFmODAtMzBhNC0xMWUxLWFmZmQtNGE0ZDQ5ZjQ4NDhj;_ylg=X3oDMTM2OGRyazlkBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDM2UxMzllMGItN2U3MS0zMWU4LWFmZTMtZjA4ZGE0MDk3NjM4BHBzdGNhdANlbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw–;_ylv=3

Not interesting, general of people like that..Self-righteous-fuckwad-cocksucking-ditch-pig-bastard *grumbles and rants*

Several people are making a big deal about the percentage of RSOs in the trailer park… but it wasn’t an RSO who got her, illustrating the failure of sex offender registries.  People focus on the sex offenders they can see, without properly guarding themselves from the ones they don’t.

As for the mother’s decision to leave her children with this man, might I remind people that predators are often very manipulative.  They know how to gain trust and make people feel comfortable.  It’s easy for US to say we never would have left our kids with that guy, but, apparently all her other options were registered sex offenders.

and Aliahna Lemmon is listed as a friend….

“illustrating the failure of sex offender registries” – I do not think this illustrates the registry failing Athena.I think it simply points out what we already know – everyone is not listed.

I think she had more options then believed here. Sometimes you have to put your own comfort on the back burner and deal with the stress of children (Punishment for the joy of sex), rather then try to make it simple for yourself by shipping them off to who will take them. Of course she couldn’t have known what he would do, but you’re sick?..Suck it up. You’re tired from work? Suck it up. If he WAS on the RSO list, I doubt it would have mattered, probably wouldn’t have looked it up anyway. He was already a criminal, that’s a pretty big fucking red flag. -I wouldn’t know really what to classify her as a victim or a shitty mother…I’m sticking with shitty mother of a victim.

The registry is a failure.  Statistics show that communities that employ a registry aren’t any safer than those that don’t.  But I’m talking about the “shiny thing” syndrome.  People are so focused on the stigma associated with RSOs, several people commented on the number of RSOs in the park… even though it has nothing to do with the story.  

Although I doubt this mother was consulting the registry to begin with, a registry can make a person not on it look good and trustworthy comparatively, causing a parent to miss flags that might normally set off the hinky meter.  

Because some parents are way far above others when it comes to taking care of children..Can’t you tell by how special they were to dump the little one off using “Eenie Meenie Miney Mo…Whoever I think is the nicest criminal..That’s where you’ll go”

I don’t get how they are saved because of a registry. The registry is usually only consulted after a kid has been assaulted. Unless you are meaning that a family may not move into an area because of a listed RSO, and if they had, the kid would’ve been molested by said RSO.

My issue with the list is that the wrong people are placed on it, which then dilutes the effectiveness of the list. I am only concerned with people proven to be child predators and keeping their hands out of the candy jar… not someone who fucked their 14-year-old girlfriend when they were 18, or someone who mooned a bus full of schoolchildren.

Perfect! Oh and BTW, I just read on Yahoo! that this man beat her to death with a brick and then dismembered her, keeping her hands, feet, and head in his freezer.  He dumped the rest of her body nearby.

Pissing in public shouldn’t get you put on the same list as someone who forcibly rapes a child.

That shit is broken.

Um, that’s textbook sexism. I know many men, including my husband, who would be perfectly safe to leave a child with.  MOST men are perfectly safe to leave a child with.

And, who said the mother moved into a neighborhood with 15 sex offenders?  Perhaps she was there first?  Stupid residence restriction have resulting in recently developed concentrations of sex offenders like this.

By your “logic”, a parent should never let anyone else watch their child.  

So, yeah, we’ll definitely agree to disagree.

I like your points Morbid.

“I don’t get how they are saved because of a registry.” What I was attempting to relay is my opinion that the registry is an information tool,and that although it is not perfect,it is still a useful service,and as such I would speculate that it has to have saved some children’s lives.
For example:If (before Aliahna Lemmon was killed) I had been looking to move somewhere with my children,and I had checked the registry,I would not have moved to that park.

If for another example – I  checked the registry and the person I was thinking of allowing to babysit for me was listed on there for “any” reason – they would not get the job.My point basically is that having the listing is better than having NO listing at all.I however agree that the registry needs some remodeling to make it more effective.

“when she offered her child up, basically like a lamb to the slaughter.”

I don’t fault the mom for what happened to the child,I fault the mom for where she chose (for whatever reason) to live,and raise her children;but for all we know maybe the mother was living there because that was the best that she could do.

I don’t understand the whole idea of men somehow being unfit to watch children. Many of the stories we see on here involve women hurting kids, molesting children, dropping them from roofs, taking web videos, pimping them out… you get the picture. A sick mind does not have to have a penis.  

Damn, time to check the pedo/perv registry here in Albuquerque.  (I havent done that in at least 6 months)  Thanks for this tragic reminder.

But, like I said farther down in the thread, maybe she was there first?  I live in an apartment building, and I don’t check every new tenant’s name against the registry.  It’s possible she had no idea, and I don’t fault her for that.

I’m not one of those people who religiously checks the registry.  In fact, I think I have only two times.  One was to check if a guy who screamed chimo was already on the registry.  He wasn’t.  Focusing on the registry can give people a false sense of security about those not on the registry, which is why I typically don’t bother.

Meh, I have to disagree here…men statistically are pigs. 

You look at murderers, rapists, kid-snatchers – violent crimes overall – they are overwhelmingly committed by men. Half the women who do things to kids are doing it in response to pleasing some schmo as well. 

Obviously, most of us are not like the critter in this story. I take kids’ well-being very seriously myself and find nine-year old girls for example to be very charming, precious little people. Most men are like that, I’m nothing exceptional. 

But in a given population, if you have a loser like this, the odds are near-certain it will be a dude.

What is the obvious benefit?  ”Obvious” as in “tangible” or “quantifiable”?  You said yourself we don’t know if it has ever saved anyone, and I mentioned that communities that implement registries are no more safe than those that don’t.  

…and, no, when I say the registry has cost lives, I’m talking about the murders of at least five registered sex offenders in three states, one of which was a 24 year old man convicted of a Romeo and Juliet sex offense.

“if you have a loser like this, the odds are near-certain it will be a dude”

Yep,we disagree on this one HAL.

“I’m talking about the murders of at least five registered sex offenders
in three states, one of which was a 24 year old man convicted of a Romeo
and Juliet sex offense.”

I am not familiar with the cases you mention,but a listing has never killed anyone;people kill,listings do not.
 

I say we – as a people – remove  Mike Plumadore’s head,hands,and feet – after we bash his head in with a brick,that is.

Way to dodge my question and give a BS response to my statement.

Recently, the hacker group Anonymous outed the private information of thousands of police officers all over the nation in retaliation for perceived police violence against the Occupy protesters, including officers’ names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.  If something bad were to happen to one of these officers, would you not partially blame Anonymous?

Ne either. Men are far more likely to be pervs/pedos than women.  When I was growing up we were taught that if lost from parents to find a woman to help us IF we couldn’t find a cop. I never let a man, besides my father and their father, to watch my children. EVER! If that makes me sexist, I am proud to be so.

crack whores

I wouldn’t want an 18 year old fucking my hypothetical 14 year old daughter either…

Agreed.  I’m not saying that the registry can’t be useful to an individual.  I’m saying that, statistically, it’s not at all effective.  I’m all for being aware.  But, with all due respect, I don’t want millions of tax payer dollars going to a system just so you can recognize the RSOs that come into your office, you know?  Unless you can say that the registry stopped you from trusting a RSO with your child that you feel you would have otherwise, you’re not describing “effectiveness”.  

My opinion, and one that is backed by many experts, is that being specifically aware of those on the sex offender registry can take away from general awareness.  This thread is proof of that.  This girl was killed by a man who wasn’t on the registry, but several commenters are still hung up on the RSOs.  Combine that with all the other downsides, and I’d be just fine with going back to a world before registries.  Perhaps it would force our lawmakers to keep predators incarcerated for longer, rather than fooling the public into believing we’re safe from them because we can see them (which we really can’t – most registered sex offenders who re-offend don’t shit where they live and pick a different area to troll).  

He’s got something… there’s just something off in the pics that say “molester”.

And if you’re so “in shape” show it all, not your shoulders. That suggests that instead of a hard shaped body, there’s a big fat beer belly.

And the poor don’t have this luxury, unfortunately.  Especially not in this economy, when people are struggling more than usual and rent is competitive.  

Where does it say she didn’t really know him?  From the source article: “Amber Story, the girl’s grandmother, had described Plumadore as a neighbor and close family friend.”

I agree and thought of that earlier.  Dad works night shift….so what??? So did I. And still took care of my kids during the day.  

The thing is that even among poor peeps there is honor. Being poor, in and of itself isn’t indicative of crime.  It is when the poor become desperate that creates the avenue for crime.   

One attorney I used to work for studied human behavior as it pertains to juries.  Many people looking at a situation like this ascribe “superparent” powers to the parties involved simply because it’s too scary to think that it could happen to you.

We don’t know anything about her circumstances. When my sister or someone in her home gets sick she has to send her kids to my house. My 8-year-old nephew has severe asthma and she can’t risk getting him sick with severe upper respiratory infections when she can prevent it. Chances are this mom thought she was doing good by her children by sending them over to a family friend so they would stay healthy. A friend that was right next door. She called at 8:30am to check on the children. I really don’t think anyone has pointed out why this could be remotely construed as her fault through neglect.
What does make me wonder is why her 9-year-old had a Facebook page with a grown adult who was not a family member. If I was going to allow my child to have a profile on a social media site at that age I would limit it to family and school friends. I know they have an age limit of 13 and that some parents scoff at that rule, but it is a rule never-the-less and she’s just teaching her daughter to pick and choose which rules to follow which does bother me. Things tend to be very black and white at that age and it could have been a bad precedent. 

Yeah, my BFFS son was almost placed on it for urinating in public.  A sex crime, right? But in totality, the registry is very heplful.

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What do you think the police do in areas without registries?  Do you think they’re forced to randomly knock on doors?

The police have that information with or without the registry.  The registry simply takes the information the police already have and make it searchable by the public.  

I disagree with profiles for children under the minimum age.

The source article states that the child’s grandmother described Plumadore as a “close family friend”.  It would seem to me that, if even the grandmother was familiar with this man and would describe him that way, he was as trusted as a family member.

You’re a dude?  Man.  And here I was thinking that you’re just an exceptionally objective woman.  I should have known better.

Do exceptionally objective women exist?

Do YOU have enough money to immediately pull out of your current home and buy another one?  Right this instant?

Unless I’m a mothafuckin’ unicorn!

Seriously, of course they do.  We have a few here.  I would put you on that list.  While I hate to name names for fear anyone might feel left out, a couple of other examples would be (but not limited to) Castille and SugarGlider.  People who generally make evidence-based posts, rather than emotionally-driven ones.  While these people are the exception to the rule regardless of gender, in my experience, emotionally-driven comments are more prevalent among chicks.  

I do not think this makes you (or myself) sexist, just willing to face reality.  While there are women out there who are perverts, as we have seen on this site many times, the majority of sex abuse cases belong to men.

This girls grandfather who lived with the the other sisters, the mom and the grandmother was on the RSO..and he was on the list for molesting a little girl.  He just passed away recently.
I’m not loving this mom so far.  

And I’m not loving the grandmother either! WTF? Something is not right with this family…poor baby.

Yeah!  Hell, lets get rid of judges too!  Damn bastards always letting people off on technicalities like “I wasn’t there” and “she doesnt have my flesh in her fingernails”, and don’t forget the dreaded “that semen doesn’t have my DNA”
Let’s just go back to old-school lynch mobs and string up everyone vaguely suspected in a crime.  Save a ton of money!
This plan will be AWESOME.

What Athena is saying is that police have and will always have access to criminal histories and registered offenders regardless of the ability of the public to access it or not. So no matter what, they will always have a list of who to start with.

You know what I would like to know? Why do the police need a search warrant to look in an effin’ DUMPSTER!?!?
So many times it seems the “dumpster” in the vicinity isn’t searched immediately and I just read that  it’s because LE is waiting for a search warrant? WTF?

You’re lucky that you get to stay home with your children. My sister couldn’t with her first child and sent him to a school preparatory program which put him leaps and bounds ahead of many of the kids who were starting school with him. She was so pleased that she will be sending her second son to the same place when he’s old enough even though she can now stay at home. She is also lucky that she can afford an above average program as opposed to normal daycare. I think most parents want to do the best they can for their children. Some people think that means staying home and some think it means getting them a head start on school or what have you. 
The sad truth is that no matter how much you care you can’t always keep your child safe from everything. All it takes is a trip and fall, a car accident, a bad cold, or even some bad food. Sometimes you have to take a calculated risk and hope for the best. I really think this mother weighed the option of having a close family friend watch her kids or having them get sick for Christmas and decided to err on what she thought was the side of caution. 

I was being tongue in cheek on the earlier post, just to clarify. 

I’m pretty sure it’s her in some of his pics too.

I can’t reply to Athena’s comment..but I found this..
http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2008/07/12/registered-sex-offender-kills-girl/

And I have also read of RSO having molested kids even after multiple arrests…I have the same stance on the list, it’s not helping kids from NOT being killed…

Damn me for my flippant comment anyway! XD

I don’t have as big a problem with kids being left with their fathers, grandfathers, uncles or cousins in most instances (not if they’re a criminal or known pervert). But a child should never be left with a man who is not a relative IMO.

That isn’t to say that there is no risk involving males relatives or female acquaintances…but the numbers go down…you’re asking for trouble if you leave your kid with a male acquaintance…as this website so often reminds us.

In this case it does sound like a need. She needed to leave her children with this neighbor because she was sick.Iam just saying I wouldn’t, not at that age and not with a male.

Dude was pretty well known, I’d think. He lived with and cared for the grandfather next door up until his death a few months back from what I gathered, and has continued to live there. So appears to have a track record of responsible and trustworthy caretaking, for whatever that’s worth.  Very little in this instance.

I know… I just felt a little weird leaving it at my first sentence.  But I’ll revise, since it’s funny that way.

I love you. Just letting you know.

Hey now, don’t go confusing people with facts and things. We like to think from the gut.

My half-brother is on the list.  His crime?  Getting drunk at a stock car race and peeing against a fence. His peener was out in public so he is a sex offender.  Why don’t we have a list of violent offenders who do not use or attack genitals. Getting beaten or shot to death is not such fun either I bet. But this country is more about genitals… nasty

Athena. Give up. People are too far gone into stupid town on this one.

Yes, from articles I have read, Plumadore took care of the mother’s father or grandfather until he died recently. Plumadore is still living in the relative’s mobile home next door. I believe he has lived next door for around 3-4 yrs. I’m sure the mother saw him daily, saw him as a caretaker, and didn’t think twice when he offered to look after the kids.

Thank you for your comment Heather.

It’s not like everyone with a penis is a predator.

I have to say, the last time I had the flu, I was incoherent for a day or two, and don’t remember what was said to me or what I said. I could barely make it ten feet to the bathroom, there is no way I could have cared for a child in that state. There is no ‘sucking it up’ with a fever of 103.

This, exactly.

I would tell my kids that if they somehow end up separated from me on the street, to approach a woman before they approach a man for help.

For the same reasons, I would choose female child-care providers over males. It is what it is, and I would never increase the risk to my child in an attempt to be unprejudiced by gender. Facts are facts, men are MUCH more likely to harm you or your children.

That sucks for all the wonderful, decent men out there who love little girls for wonderful, decent reasons. But I’ll bet they would be the first to choose a female babysitter over a male.

They’re not. It’s really ridiculous how people freak out about stuff.

See, that’s weird to me.  When I was a kid, I was simply told to go into the closest business to ask for help.  When 99% of the population are decent people, it just seems trivial and pointless to differentiate based on that last 1%.  I figure instructing my kid to seek out a business will safeguard her from most worst-case-scenarios.

When I choose a child care provider, I will objectively assess qualifications.  Not because I’m striving to be unprejudiced, but because that’s what makes the most sense.  Especially if I’m looking for child care that specializes in education, my male teachers were some of the best when I was a kid.  It just doesn’t make sense to me to disregard that entire chunk of the population simply because the risk is slightly increased.  And it is only a slight increase.  While, yes, males are much more likely to harm children, it’s not likely that children get harmed to begin with, so even a dramatic increase of risk when you’re dealing with males as opposed to females translates to only a slight increase in overall risk.

It doesn’t say that anywhere and I never said it did.  My comment was in reply to Becca, not the lady in the write up. Where are you getting that from my comment???

Yeah, and everyone is all “I’d leave my kids alone with (male relative) WAY BEFORE random males”

I don’t get your point.  Of course LE has access to that info. What is your point about the registry.

Random males are strangers..I think it’s natural for women to have another women to look after their children before a male is asked or needed..just my opinion.  It’s like from back in the cavemen times, Men want to go out and stab things and shit…especially things they didn’t make, like a baby or kid.

I thought the age limit was 16.

Yeah.  That’s totally what I said.   O.o

Are you bi-polar or something?  This is the second thread that you’ve been totally cool in for awhile, but then get all catty out of nowhere.  Drunk posting, maybe?

Yes, because thousands of years of evolution have just, not happened. at all.

Oh, batshit crazy lady lives in all areas, trust me.

But you’re right, the economy is bad and if you’re blessed enough to not be effected by it the consider yourselves lucky.

I won’t leave my children with anyone other then their grandparents, male or female.

My stepfather does a much better job watching the children then my mother so ovaries mean nothing as far as I’m concerned.

Also I was molested by a male and a female so it really doesn’t matter. Fucked up people cross gender lines.

Sounds good to me, you wanna start shooting them or should we just slip some poison in their drinks?

Well is your neighbor already for one a criminal?Are we talking assault charges here?Lets think about this.

I really like you today.

In some cases, it doesn’t seem like it has…

Ya, they dispose of them more quickly than an old vibrator with a broken cord.  They seem to mean less than that to these monsters.  Thats scary.

And parents who break the rules of custody, shouldn’t be “amber alert” candidates, unless there’s a criminal history – but in that case, there should be no contact. 

I find that angry x’s are quick to dilute the rso lists this way.

I’m sorry , I’ll try to stay away from the window from now on :p

17 to 15 I agree…18 to 14 like Morbid suggested…put them on the list

I wasn’t going to read this. Nope, no no no reading on DD today, was my plan! Mostly because I listened to news story about this little girl all day.  But glad I did. It’s nice to be reminded that there are good , intelligent, thinking people out there and people who care about one little girl who should never have died.

By the way , in Canada the RSO is only accessible by law enforcement, not citizens. If an offender is released , his victims and/or victim’s family will be notified, and may be notified of his address. But if he moves or finishes his parole, he’s usually right off the radar.

I was also told to go into a local business when I was younger.

I realize that. I just don’t like the idea that if her crackpipe catches her curtains on fire, my residence is connected to hers.

I never said “He” was a strange man…so where are you getting that from?

Did you ever think maybe the dad asked the neighbor to watch the kids? Mom had the flu and dad worked night shift. Maybe this asshole was his friend and he asked it of him.

And for some reason, mom kept the 2 little boys. Hmmm..

yea I wondered about that too because there are lots of circumstances surrounding sex offender charges. But I’ll go ahead and generalize them for the safety of my children. I don’t feel too bad about that.

All we can do at this point is speculate. I do think its rather strange that Plumadore kept the 3 girls all week, while the 2 boys stayed in the trailer with mommy.

This article states that the mother specifically questioned her father (also a registered sex offender) if her daughters would be in any harm living in the trailer park (which along with the two mile radius around the trailer park houses 5% of the entire state of Indiana’s sex offenders). She even asked about two residents in particular, Plumadore being one of them. Of course, her father assured her he was good people, and so were all of the other offenders in the trailer park, they are all doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Makes me wonder why she specifically asked about Plumadore, when he isn’t even on the sex offender registry. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45795486/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

I do not fuck around anymore with that shit. I went straight to the doctor this year and got a flu shot. I never want to be that sick again.

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Makes me wonder why she specifically asked about Plumadore, when he isn’t even on the sex offender registry”

Possibly because they were going to be neighbors? We don’t know what crime the grandfather committed to be on the SOR (for all we know he could have peed on a fence), so perhaps she wanted to know who he was living with in case her children wanted to visit their grandfather. 

I appreciate the information. I couldn’t find an article that didn’t just state he was a RSO. Perhaps that was why the mother questioned him about his roomer first, she was leery of a guy who was living with her offender father in that area. Still the guy behaved himself for four years before he did anything, but treat the girls as an Uncle according to many of the residents of the park. I will be curious to find out what his motive was for killing this poor girl. I also wonder what the sisters saw or heard, if anything.

We really don’t know if the guy behaved himself for four years..If he just bashed her in the skull and cut her up, usually that doesn’t come out of the blue…I’m just sick over this, and the little sisters where there the whole time this disgusting freak did that to their sister..who knows what the saw or heard?

I see no logic in that example you gave Heather;a person who actually thinks in such a way as that would most likely ” knock over this liquor store” regardless of being on,or not on a listing.

“  Do you think they’re forced to randomly knock on doors? ”

Actually the “random” knocking on doors is a useful tool, and most police departments still do this when a child is abducted by unknowns.

“The registry simply takes the information the police already have and make it searchable by the public.”

Being a member of “the public” I appreciate this resource.

I wish I could do that but the shot makes me violently sick too. I have to gamble every year and just load up on vitamin C, wash my hands until their cracked and bleeding and cross my fingers. I’m considering wearing a mask like I always see the people in China doing.

I agree with Athena that the various registries need to be cleaned up.Public urination should be just that,and not on a sex registry – unless it was proven at court that “sex” was – in fact – part of the reason for the display,not simply a person relieving them self.

Other than that I LIKE the registries,and if there are young people on them – that is not the registries fault,that is the fault of the person who committed the crime in the first place.If laws governing at what ages teens can have sex were changed,then that would impact greatly who can be listed on these registries,failing that I don’t agree with the age complaints at all.

I disagree with you on this Joshua;put me down in a friendly way for it though please  

We bash after we have removed such limbs, right?

I had a little 7 year old girl knock on my door right before xmas selling boxes of xmas candy and I did not see a adult so I asked her if she was alone, she said no her mommy was right over there, I looked and did not see her mommy so I stepped out from my door to look down the street and I did not see anybody at first until I saw a person 5 house away sitting in a van. She saw me and probably wondered what was I doing but she should have been standing right next to her daughter. Many men are protectors of children and I am one of them.

Surround the trailer trash park and eliminate the fuckers.

We now know that the Mother was staying with her convicted Pedo father to help him,because he was dying … however we also know that she moved in to “help” her father knowing full well that he lived in a PEDO SAFE HAVEN as the news is labeling the location – so yes I would agree that the Mother was in fact “pretty fucking stupid.” I as a parent would not sacrifice my children to do the same – Dad would have had care visits,but my children’s safety would have been paramount,as it should be with ANY responsible parent.

When I was in my twenties I sat for a buddy that had 2 daughters, never had a problem except his older daughter was a brat.

We now know money is not her stated reason for having moved into that trailer park.When you have kids, and the dark side is strong – you don’t move in with it.

True,but all it takes is that one person to make you the victim – it’s best to cut the percentages as much as you possible can.

The flu is one thing,but the mom’s decision to move into a trailer park knowing full well that it was a haven for sex offenders – with her kids to take care of her dying Pedo dad is totally another.Once moved into the park – fully aware of who her neighbors were and letting a guy of no relation have her daughter only compiles bad decision making on more bad decision making.It’s not merely bad due to the killers sex – it’s bad due to the fact that the park was in fact unfit,as well as unsafe for children to start with.If you are in the habit of playing with a loaded gun,don’t be surprised when you get shot.

I have younger (than 13) relatives who have face book pages – I know because they are in my face book,however their parents let them have it,and their parents monitor the pages.I see no issue with it(in the case of my family).

Her sweet face in this photo is just heart-breaking. It looks like it might have been taken at a funeral(?) … looks like it from the background. Perhaps this picture was taken at her grandfather’s funeral service.

I feel sad for the mother. Sometimes we have to make really hard choices when it comes to family. I am sure that she thought she was doing her duty to her father when she moved into the park to take care of him. She will have to live with the guilt fallout from that decision for the rest of her life.

It is easy to sit here and speculate about what the mom should/shouldn’t have done. But there is no way that any of us could know all the details behind this tragedy. I just can’t find any reason to blame this mother – when we know so little about the circumstances surrounding their situation. The few facts that have been released raise way more questions than they answer.

However, I have NO problem judging this monster/predator. And I wish with my whole heart that I could put a bullet in his fucking head.

Not sure if this is true but Aliahna was molested by two men in Iowa and had PSTD and night terrors from that’s one of the reasons Mom moved her to Indiana…if this is true, and by all means it may just be rumor (but the family has said she had PSTD)..Great Fucking Idea MOM! move her into a trailer park full of them!

Before she moved into the park the Mother states that she had asked her Dad specifically about Plumadore as to her kids safety with him.The mother stated that she in fact did not know the guy well at all prior to moving into that park;she just knew of him.

I had the same experience years ago. I got horribly ill three days after getting the shot even though nobody I had been around had been ill. Never again!

“Ne either. Men are far more likely to be pervs/pedos than women.”

This actually has very little modern truth.

“stupid town”
I agree some what with your statement;where we part ways is with who exactly is in the town,and who exactly is simply spot lighting them in it.

Along those lines, personal story:  My aunt and uncle met when he was 16 and she was 11.  You’ll have to take my word that she didn’t look 11.  She lied about her age to everybody, even got a job in a factory at 11.  They dated three years, he proposed, and found out her real age when her father had to sign the marriage license.  Stayed married for 68 years until she died recently.
If that happened now, my uncle would be in prison and my family would have twenty something fewer people in it.  Perfectly legitimate, serious relationship banned by law.

I’m a guy and I,for one have no such desire at all.When you generalize (like you just did) you usually FAIL to make ANY valid discussion point.

The so – called “Mom” in this article exercised bad judgement in abundance.

LOL.

You make no sense…I made a reference to the nature of men to hunt and kill for food and sport..and women to give birth and raise children…?? Where’s the fail, Cedric?

Well lets see – I believe I was disagreeing (politely) with the WHOLE generalizing thing you had going on with your comment shannie.Modern women have exactly the same basic natures as men,and vice versa.

I raised my 2 boys as a single Father,and I have never wanted to go out and “hunt/kill” anything.My Ex-wife was more interested in hanging out at the club – which is how I managed to get her to agree to letting me have the kids.

” banned by law” – as it should be Tenbux.

You’re playing Super Parent here.
She left the kids with a non-RSO that she knew personally and had no reason to be suspicious of.  Her choice of living location is irrelevant, because none of the RSOs in the park were involved in this story in any way.
For all we know, the mother may have specifically warned the children about the RSOs in the neighborhood.  It still makes no difference because the threat here came from a friend instead of a known offender.

“She left the kids with a non-RSO that she knew personally and had no reason to be suspicious of.”

No,Sir I am not “playing Super Parent here”. The mother has recently stated that prior to moving into her Dad’s trailer she was suspicious about the guy we now know killed her child.The mother stated that she specifically asked her Dad about  Plumadore,and if her kids would be in any danger from him.The mother stated that her (Pedo) Dad assured her that Plumadore could be trusted,and that the other residents were likewise trust-able.Sounds to me like all her Pedo Dad was interested in was having someone take care of his ass.

You know it.

Exactly… he was a close “friend of the family”, which I take to mean she didn’t really know him, but her father liked him a lot since he took care of him for a few years. My understanding is she didn’t really get to know him until she moved there very recently to help take care of her dad.

Well this is a NON-shocker to me…
http://www.goblueridge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14218

Plumadore was a Sex offender..

Plumadore was a sex offender too
 http://www.goblueridge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14218

Maybe not shannie – I think the location mentioned combines their sex offender registry with their domestic violence registry.

It was a great place for them to start when they were searching for Jessica Lunsford. And I’m sure there are many others, but that one leaps to mind first. In cases like Chelsea King and Jaycee Dugard, they wouldn’t have worked, of course, because those offenders went far away to find their next victims. So the registry is not perfect and it should not be used as an end all, be all means of making you feel secure, but you sure as hell should use it to maybe choose to live in a place that doesn’t have the highest concentration of sex offenders in the entire state when you have children at vulnerable ages.

You “think” you were disagreeing politely…look, you know as well as I do that anything can be interpreted the wrong way even with a cause it can be as sarcastic as hell..You saying someone is “wrong” or “fail” for having an opinion is always gonna be taken like shit..so don’t take it the wrong way when someone say “you make no sense” back..You say you were super-dad, cause your kids were raised by you alone and didn’t get harmed in the process, Great! Awesome!..You do know the majority of men in this country aren’t like you right? Not saying they are all douches, but kids do usually end up with the mom in a lot of cases…
Basic nature is one thing, being a woman and having natural womanly (motherly and female nature) instincts is different than what a mans (male and fatherly) instincts are..my opinion.
My comment was in reply to someone saying with a snipe that people think male relatives are no better than “random” males…which in my book the word random is anyone or anything…so, yeah, I would say random male is a stranger.

We do have seriously draconian RSO rules here in Florida and yet we’re one of the worst states for offenders and we are also one of the top three states for sex trafficking of children and women (California & New York are the others). Obviously rather than tracking these individuals who so often fall off the radar or fail to register we need to change how we deal with these people. Serious therapy and rehabilitation programs for those who can be helped and permanent jail time for those he can not be. I would rather pay to keep an unrepentant SO in prison than some poor schmuck who was caught with a joint.

http://www.flnow.org/trafficking.html   

“That would in fact – NOT – be my logic at all,that would be you twisting what you think is MY logic,and getting it WRONG.I do not believe in lumping everyone into 1 neat little shoe box.I take each case on a case by case basis.”

Ceds, I’m sorry but that is exactly what your saying in a logic class your statements would be labeled Trandsductive Reasoning. Why was this little girl killed? Because mom lived in a bad area. How is that any different than the situation I described above? 

I think you’re right, I was shouldn’t have posted that as fact… Really it’s not even important now, but eh…he’s dirty, pos, and I hope he gets the death penalty..

You got my reply handled nicely. Thanks.

Didn’t realize batshit crazy lady was a crackhead. The bright side is that if anything happens in the complex she will know who did it. Crackheads know and see EVERYTHING! 

this mother is stupid. Who lets some single douchy trailer park trash guy watch 3 little girls, no way no how. I would think there was something wrong with any man that offered to watch my child male or female. I was lucky my daughter never stayed with anyone other than my mom, dad and sister. If I had to have gotten a babysitter it would not have been a man. Just asking for trouble in my opinion. If that makes me a sexist or just a bitch in general oh well. my daughter is 27 with a little 2 yr old guy of her own she is as diligent with him as i was with her, when it comes to your kids no risk in this world is worth it.

It does …it does suck … however that is NO excuse for killing your child.

Thanks !!! Now on top of being poor I also know that I’m not lucky  

“Crackheads know and see EVERYTHING!”

Yes,they do … ’cause they are planning in advance to STEAL it.

“My opinion, and one that is backed by many experts, is that being
specifically aware of those on the sex offender registry can take away
from general awareness.  This thread is proof of that.”

What you say here can be debated Athena.I would argue that being aware of specific offenders and the fact that there are tons of them out there makes one even more aware that Joe Blow living next door,but not listed may in fact be Joe Blow living next door who has at yet not been caught.This thread is not proof of what you state.

Fires caused by matches,and lighters kill people,and cause millions in property and land damage.I say this because you don’t see anyone yelling to do away with matches,or lighters do you ? I used this as an extreme example  – there are countless other things I could have used to illustrate my point – my point is that just because you happen to not like a tool,or you feel that it is not right for you,or even if the tool is not perfect in some way does not mean you shit can the tool.As long as sex offender registry’s for fill the basic purpose that they were designed to do they are not going anywhere.There is I agree a need for overall improvement  with these listings,but they are a useful tool regardless.

People used to(and in some places still do)burn books,most of us now-a-days know that this behavior is ludicrous;information is knowledge,knowledge is power.

Honey, I wouldn’t let my mother watch my dog. So I’m right there with you.

Good points but if you commit the crime,and are convicted of the crime my sympathy is with the person you victimized,not with you. 

“The flu shot can not give you the flu”

I am aware of what “they” say concerning the flu shot,however what I was saying is that I don’t believe them.I am not allergic to anything that is known to me – nothing,and I know exactly what the flu is.I am also aware of the fact that there are many different strains of flu,and that they only create vaccine for what they deem the most likely strain for a given year,however that has nothing to do with my initial statement.The meaning behind my initial statement is simple – I do not blindly trust the makers of the flu shot.I do not blindly trust the government.

Depends on what specific rule you are addressing,various rules differ from one household to the next.You give the impression of equating facebook user rules to rules of law, which is not the case.

” I will be curious to find out what his motive was for killing this poor girl.”

Come on Dangerous – we members on here might not like to say it openly but – you already know this piece of shit most likely fucked this child.

Argh– “MSNBC quotes police as saying that  39-year-old Michael Plumadore admitted to investigators that he bludgeoned her to death with a brick, then dismembered her. ”

What a f-king creep.  Reminds me of The Lovely Bones (except this guy is too much of a retard to think his way out of an open safe, rather than hide his evidence in a locked one).  :\

I think given an option this Turd would most likely prefer to fuck the child,not the Mom.

My my, Cedric…you sure know a lot about mutilating/disposing of a body, don’tcha?  

Well I was in the Marines,and I was a cop … and I do read a lot …

Good morning John.

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111229/NEWS/111229666

Wow, I can’t believe this mother wants this girls stuff out of her trailer? WTF? Seems like they are getting rid of shit to hide something more like it…I don’t like this mom. Not at all.

I don’t want to think that, so I won’t right now. I at least hope she didn’t have to go through that.

I like that the registry is available. I wish that all single moms would check it before bringing in a new boyfriend to shack up with them and their kids (I also wish they would check public records and make sure they guy had never before been convicted of domestic assault/battery – since many of those end up beating the shit out of the woman’s kids). I’ve come to realize though, that the parents that drag those men in to be around their kids aren’t readers anyway, so it isn’t as successful as it could be. I did just read an article that says that Mark Klaas is against the idea of “residency restrictions” for RSOs because it pushes them all into sex offender ghettos (1000 feet away from parks, schools, daycares, etc). Then it causes two things. First, they usually end up in more rural areas with less police presence and they they also end up with a network of other offenders that they are in daily contact with. It’s kind of like Alcoholics Anonymous (or in this case, sex offenders anonymouse) working in reverse. I agree with him on that. I do like the idea of the registry for the same reason I like being able to access public court records… because it’s nobody’s job to protect myself and my family but my own and I’m empowered to have as much knowledge as possible about people I associate with. But the residency restrictions seem to cause more of a problem than a solution.

I think Jessica Lunsford was found (dead, of course) because of the RSO. Couhey lived across the street in the trailer park her dad lived in. The police questioned him the first time when they rounded up the RSOs of the trailer park (they believe she was still alive in his closet at that time). They then came back a second time to question him and that’s when they discovered her grave in his yard.

Where did you get the idea that no research has been done?  There have been several studies done (try looking here, for starters), and they all say roughly the same thing:  

“Results provide no support for the effectiveness of registration and community notification laws in reducing sexual offending by: (a) rapists, (b) child molesters, (c) sexual recidivists, or (d) first-time sex offenders. Analyses also showed that over 95% of all sexual offense arrests were committed by first-time sex offenders, casting doubt on the ability of laws that target repeat offenders to meaningfully reduce sexual offending. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved)”

And, yes, Ced… when a tool is both ineffective and expensive, the only thing TO do is “shit can” the tool.  It’s not that I don’t like it.  I would love it… if it were effective.  But it’s not.  So to keep registries on is no different than keeping a housekeeper who doesn’t actually clean around simply because she looks good.  This is nothing more than feel-good legislation, and it costs tax payers millions a year.  I’d rather those millions go to keeping truly dangerous predators incarcerated.

She didn’t kill the kid.  … Unless she did, and I missed the update.

I posted thru disqus that I wrong about that..not sure why it doesn’t have my reply up thread..but it’s on the thread somewhere.

That is really to kind of a death for this motherfucker, I could think of many ways to end his life only much slower and a whole hell of a lot more pain involved.And have a Dr there to keep him alive while his death is drug out to include the maximum amount of torture possible.And have the mother right next to him.I have a son myself who is 19 and you can believe he spent the night with no one, he spent time without me at other peoples homes NEVER.It was/is my job to always put his safety first no matter how tired or sick I got.If you dont want to ALWAYS be there for your child/children do not have any.My son says I cant hurt a piss ant,his words,but I have a side of myself that is totally different when it comes to someone hurting a child, anybodys child.I could take out a child molester everyday for the rest of my life and sleep very well every night. Your way is fast and efficient and not to be dismissed I just get pretty crazy at the thought of a child being harmed.

Just the fact the she asked her father those questions tells me she is to stupid to live.

I am also very sorry for your loss,it seems the police would have an idea of who’s freezer it was,and hopefully the sick bastard will get his one way or the other.

Maybe he paid her to “keep” the kids.

Giving birth to a child or children certainly didnt make her a mother.It just made her a baby factory.It takes more than what she did to be a mother.

15 is nuts, they should carpet bomb that trailer park

You should consider some form of exercise. I never get sick when engaged in some sort of exercise program. You don’t have to wash your hands so much, just don’t touch your face, eyes or mouth.

That is sad, how is that even related to sex?

My grandmother was 13 and my grandfather 19 when they got married. What worked back then was letting families and communities decide what was acceptable and what wasn’t. Letting the federal government control every aspect of everything is like having a “one size fits all” hat vs a custom fitted hat. If my great-grandfather didn’t approve of the union, then it wouldn’t have happened. Can you see how legislating every little aspect of our lives can lead to a breakdown in the fabric of self regulating communities?

I have been running this sad story over and over in my mind. Here are some of my thoughts.

The question is why would a child molester who had easy access to 3 little girls kill one? Wouldn’t that be like killing the golden goose that lays the golden eggs? (Not that these people are logical!)

The scenario I came up with is that he had probably been molesting this little girl for years. From what I’ve read from other horrific child abuse stories is that the older girl will feel a sense of responsibility to her younger sisters, so she will endure the molestations to keep the monster from doing this to the younger siblings. In that reasoning, I’m thinking he was about to molest one of the younger girls or already had, she became upset and was going to go tell on him. Hence, his diluted reason for saying he thought the child was with her mother and wasn’t missing.

I wasn’t gonna go way into it…lol

Your just picking apart my argument using semantics. Yes, we all know that rules and laws are different. However, part of a parents job is to teach their children that they need to follow rules and laws. When a child is young they are only starting to be able to psychologically understand that there are shades of gray when it comes to rules and laws. If I, as a parent, tell my child it’s OK to break this rule for Facebook (even though we know that it can be a bad thing for a child to be on a social network) I have now shown my child that it’s OK to ignore rules if you feel like it. Why should they listen to me when I try to enforce a rule? Why should they worry about breaking a law? I’ve already shown that you can break rules without consequences if you don’t get caught. So I think that’s a huge problem with a child as young as 9-years-old. 

Indecent exposure (or public lewdness), even if you’re not exposing yourself to anyone.  It’s kinda like, if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?  Well, if a peener flops out in the emptiness, does it still offend someone?  To the police, the answer is “Yes.”‘

And that’s the most obvious thing wrong with the registries; something most everyone agrees with, regardless of their support or opposition for the registries.  Streaking at a ball game should never get someone on the list, but it has.  Teens sexting one another should never get them on the list, but it has.  Mooning should never get people landed on the list, but it has.   

“Doesn’t really matter anyway, I’d TOTALLY let someone watch my kid if they had a criminal history of domestic violence.”

This made me laugh out loud before I managed to “catch” myself.

Glad to add a little humor to such a strongly debated topic 

I use objective metrics.  ”Do registries translate into a lower number of sex crimes?” is my main question, and the answer to that is a resounding “No.”  How much people value something should not necessarily play into what we spend tax payer money.  And I disagree that it is an advancement of shunning.  I don’t personally know ANYONE who monitors sex offender registries.  No one.  Yes, there is a concentration of people here who say they do, but this is a very specific demographic, so of course that’s the case.  I would be interested in a study that determines what percentage of the population utilizes registries, and how often.  I’m sure the people who do utilize it and do so often value it very much.  I’d also bet the farm that they are a sliver of the population.

Furthermore, if we’re getting into intangibles like “value”, does the degree to which this small percentage of the population values access to that information trump the damage public access to that information does to those so unlucky to wind up on that list despite innocence or non-predatory behavior?  Is having that access worth what happened to “Jeff”, his wife and his children?  Or the life of the murdered sex offender in Maine, a 24 year old man who, at the age of 20, was convicted of having sex with his girlfriend just days before she turned 16 (at which point, it would have been legal)?  

I say it is not.  We shouldn’t be willing to pay even one innocent life just so we can feel good about having access to information that isn’t even keeping us safe.

Too bad there’s not a hell, this piece of shit would fit right in.

http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/plumadore-accused-of-explicit-texting

You’re right, she’s a great judge of character. I clearly misjudged.

The bastard was not one of the fifteen. Maybe she did check.

I don’t think I deserved that, PP. And a happy new year to you, too.

Exercise? Are you trying to kill me?

Judging by her previous stupidities, and her willingness to go “all or nothing” on her kids well being, I’m going to bet she took one to many donkey punches.

Here’s a link to a great who’s who’s in this poor little girls family…it’s sickening there are people like this in the world..

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2012/01/02/aliahna-lemmon-case-the-snare/#more-8888

Check out the link that Shannie posted at the top. An article detailing all of the relationships in and out of Alihanna’s short life. I challenge you to try to keep up with all of the swapping of partners, and the intricate ties that kept all of these morons together. It’s like a smorgasboard of bad decisions… the perfect storm.

I swear you and tdavid had a discussion about the dog before…and you were told it wasn’t a Husky…hint hint it’s a hybrid…or I’m having serious fucking petit mal deja vu….

I am sure that some time in the future that having a horny though will get one put on the sex offender registry.

Just tie a bell to his dick. Show him a picture of a little girl and if it rings, you know.

Rope sales would skyrocket and save the economy.

Now she is going to have to start all over again to get back on welfare.

Batshit crazy ladies who stand all day in their windows naked could add some flavor to a neighbor.

Something else I realized. I couldn’t figure out why if she “knew” Plumadore so well she would still ask her pedo dad if her daughters would be safe living next to him. I figured it out. The posters below are right, she DID know Plumadore well, and that’s exactly WHY she asked her dad that. Since Plumadore was convicted of stalking and sending sexually explicit messages to the 13 year old daugther of Aliahna’s godmother’s friend (while they were ALL living in Iowa), Aliahna’s mom knew this information. She knew he had been convicted of inappropriate relations with the 13 year old girl, that’s why she checked with her dad (presumably to see if he had been “rehabilitated” of his attraction for young girls). The signs were all there. She did what was easy, not what was safe, and her daughter died as a result.

“Makes me wonder why she specifically asked about Plumadore, when he isn’t even on the sex offender registry”. After reading what Shannie posted above, it seems the reason she asked her dad about the safety of her daughters is because she already knew Plumadore was a perv because he had been convicted of stalking an sending sexually explicit messages to the 13 year old daugther of Aliahna’s godmother’s friend. They all lived in Iowa at the time, and there is a strange connection between all of them according to the link provided above. So I was wrong, mom DID know Plumadore, very well in fact, and still allowed Aliahna to stay with him.

If someone has served their time and been let out they need to be left alone. If they can’t be left alone they should not be let out.

Then you should know that the  most horrific crimes committed in this country are homosexual by nature. Maybe we ought to register all the pee pee puffers while we are at it instead of giving them special privileges. Homosexuals by nature are sexual predators.

Better yet, just cut their dick off sew it to their fore head .

Peeing is all mine is good for anymore. Could I use that as a defense? It was stuck to my leg and I had to air it out before it spoiled.

Have you completely lost sight of the forum you are on?

The whole family is disgusting, I don’t know if you’re a Hinky member, but if you’re not and go in to the discussion forum the posters there have done excellent sleuthing…blows my mind what they’ve pulled up and pieced together. You called it right there with the mom and Plumadore, and I read some of the history with this guy, it’s so sketchy..I think the mom not only knows of him from the Iowa shit, but from when she lived in Florida cause he was there the same time and a town away.  I think this case is shedding light on the inner-workings of Pedophilia honestly..how these guys work and operate. You look at this girls family and who’s who, what the crimes are and where her mother chose to live, and you see how normal these people operate. I could speculate on what Plumadore was doing to Aliynha or her sisters but I almost can’t get my mind to go there cause it’s so twisted ans so heartbreaking. Everybody in this girls life had a link to some sort of sexually deviant crime.

I’m sorry about your day. Go Google Puppies and Kittens..watch some adorable videos of them playing and you won’t be able to stop smiling *unless you hate dogs and cats

If I could find it..Damn it.

these  assholes  need  to  be  castrated  grrrrrrrrowl  i  fucking  hate  them  all  why  the  hell  are  they  even  alive???  what  fucking  purpose  do  they  serve????

Thats not true there are not tons of people on there for say urinating in public and if they are its level one, and re offending well even if say 10 a yr do so that is 10 more than should