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Family Finds Body Parts In Dead Mans Storage LockerLEWISTON, Maine - The whereabouts of a woman who went missing 28 years ago may have been discovered after a body was found in a freezer owned by a man who died recently.

Frank Julian was 52-years-old when his on-again-off-again girlfriend, 29-year-old Kitty Wardwell, went missing back in 1983. Julian was the last person to see her alive and told authorities that the last time he saw her was when he dropped her off at a motel after a fight.

Wardwell has never been seen or heard from since and police said she probably was the victim of foul play. Julian was interviewed by police on several occasions, but never got enough evidence to warrant searching his property. Now the mystery of what happened to Wardell may have been solved after Julian died unexpectedly on October 1.

Some of Julian’s family members were cleaning out a storage unit he rented when they found an unplugged freezer that contained a gruesome surprise; human body parts.

The freezer was removed with the remains inside to be taken to the chief medical examiner for an autopsy and DNA test. The autopsy report and DNA test results may be released as early as today.

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  • guillotinegirl

    Paying to keep your extra junk in a storage unit is usually a waste of money for the most part, but this case totally warranted it.

  • Anonymous

    Can you imagine the smell of that freezer? 
    A good cleaning and it will be up for sale on craigslist to help their local government budget cuts.

    Maybe he was planning on re-animating her years later when he was much older, and she would still be a younger hot chick.

    That or saving her for the family reunion BBQ.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know why he didn’t get rid of that old stuff. I mean, meat is only good for about 12 months in a freezer – eating it probably would have killed him.

  • Optimus_past_my_Prime

    Whoa, whoa, whoa! Let me get this straight. He was 52 and she was 29? Nice!! (virtual high fives old dead murderous fuck) 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UNQAAOAFDDU2BNPM4KRE7EDHSY Anna Flixion

    I was annoyed when I cleaned out my deceased mother’s storage unit and discovered she’d been paying more than $100 a month to store crap like tupperware from the 70s. But now I guess I should be grateful there weren’t any body parts stored in that tupperware. That I know of. We didn’t examine them very closely before throwing them away. ;)

  • Anonymous

    How did Wardwell’s family get the ok to go through Julian’s rented storage unit?
    It’s obvious they’ve been assuming he was responsible for 28 yrs & they literally were ON it the second he dropped dead.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    It is pretty disturbing when you see the stats on murder: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses/clearances/index.html#figure

    Nearly 40% go unsolved. For all the vaunted technologies and skills of law enforcement, and the pedestal we put them on and the drama we ascribe to them – check out network TV – cops kinda suck at their jobs.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    It’s a pretty simple explanation, actually. I used the wrong name in the article. :P

  • Anonymous

    If only the family had let the unit go to auction, that would have been the best episode of Auction Hunters ever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Staves/521875395 Andy Staves

    Darn it you beat me to it lol

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    If it were a particularly old freezer, it would make a good Antiques Roadshow.

  • Hekate

    Cryogenics fail.

  • aka jas

    The shock and HORROR that came upon opening that freezer!!!!!!

    Ugh, *wretch* Could you imagine?  Damn, thats sick.

  • Anonymous

    Well this ends that cold case! :P

  • Prominent Prozac

    Gosh.I wish I could find a man like that..Now THAT’S commitment..(it totally counts)

  • Anonymous

    She was 29 – 28 years ago. That would make her about 57 today and him about 24 when she went missing.  At least that is they way I read the article.

  • Anonymous

    What is it with old people?  My grandmother saved cool whip and butter containers like they were valuable. Jelly jars too.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, it was worth every dime he paid to store her body.  Saved him a prison stint.

  • Prominent Prozac

    Never know when someone’s gonna lose a finger.Jars are good for body parts.

  • Prominent Prozac

    …Talk about a storage war.

  • Prominent Prozac

    So would her body by that point.

  • Prominent Prozac

    Something tells me he was good at handling his pistol.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    It’s really not fair to throw cops under the bus like that – there are more cops who are good at their jobs(my opinion),than suck at their jobs.Cops actually know who committed certain crimes sometimes(like the cops apparently did in this case),but have their hands tied by things like constitutional rights.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Haha! It wasn’t as cold as it should have been though. :P

  • LeaveMeBe

    At first I gagged imagining the stench. But I soothed myself thinking they remains were probably mummified and just smelled musty. Then again, if it was a damn good freezer…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Shit Happens.Go easy on yourself big guy … anyone comes down on you overly hard – forward me their information, and I will allocate resources in their direction.I just acquired a freezer at a good price,and some friends let me have the remaining time on a storage unit that’s paid up till 2013.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Kinda throws shit to the wind in cases like this where you end up murdering the Bitch. I hope Frank didn’t pack any sweaters for his trip, ’cause I doubt he’ll be needing them.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    Cops (and prosecutors) in this country spend more time, money, and effort tracking down and imprisoning people smoking dope than catching murderers, thieves, and perverts combined. When someone drops off the grid the cops can’t find the dude – at all – because unless they look up on a computer screen they’re lost. 

    Look at that dude who abducted Elizabeth Smart way-back-when. All that junk that’s so venerated – sniffing dogs, infra-red supercamera helicopters, psycho-babbler profilers from the FBI – was easily defeated by a guy smart enough (and dumb enough) to not use a credit card or otherwise ping some database. And it completely befuddled the cops and all their supposed wizardry. Plus they managed to have an innocent guy – that they were sure had murdered the girl – die in prison on trumped up charges and the cops were utterly, totally wrong. Didn’t even believe the little sister when she finally remembered. And you know what? Nobody, not one of those keystoners got written up much less fired.

    And you’re right about inept prosecutors too. Up against a decent defense attorney, the DA gets smoked every time. Look at all the Big Time Court TV past twenty years: OJ, Michael Jackson, Casey Anthony, Robert Blake, whatever…they ALL got off. It didn’t matter if they were guilty or not (we all have our opinions case-by-case) but the one constant is money buys justice. And so many times the defense attorney exploits bureaucratic and procedural mistakes made by the cops. It is a problem, and being honest about it is not throwing anybody under a proverbial bus.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad it didn’t go up for auction, it might have made for an actually interesting episode of Storage Wars. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=660524907 Emily Browning

    I live in the state, and man is this creepy! Stuff like this doesn’t happen too often in Maine; or at least we don’t hear about it. I was curious and looking up sex offenders in my area, and there are quite a few. Just when you think you know a guy….I wonder how many more people have bodies stuffed in random places. Storage bins are creepy now to me haha.

  • Anonymous

    It’s hog-boiling time?

    Yeah, when I read that the freezer was unplugged the first thing that occurred to me was that that had to be a powerful stench.

  • Anonymous

    See..great minds think alike!

  • Anonymous

    IMO, it’s the media hype that got those people off, not our justice system… and I don’t think the cops get to decide which cases they investigate (I imagine that a narcotics officer/detective is not allowed to run around trying to solve murder)

    I understand being upset about the time/money/effort is wasted on what is essentially a victimless crime, I feel the same way, but give credit where credit is due and lay the blame at the lawmakers’ feet, not at the feet of those who are sworn to uphold it. 

  • Anonymous

    LOL, I posted something very similar up above before I made it through all the comments.

  • Anonymous

    They sure do, DD, they sure do.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad Count Carl Von Cosel is dead, you two would have been made for each other.

  • http://www.facebook.com/litahosen Lita Antone

    No, this stuff doesn’t happen much around here. But it’s starting to happen more and more. 

  • Smileypants

    So this happened in Maine….Stephen King oughtta write up a story based on this. Yuck  :-/

  • Tundratot

    Disgusting old coot got away with murder.  Maybe her family can go and piss on his grave.  It’s all the justice he’ll get.

  • Anonymous

    Using the wrong name makes for an interesting story though – angry family WAITING for old man to die so they can look through his junk!

  • Hekate

    *stands up…. applauds til hands are purple*

  • Anonymous

    I was most likely just bones with dried skin and loose hair.  I highly doubt any smell or moisture remained after that length of time.

  • Anonymous

    That would be funny.  I’ve watched SW several times and some of the junk people pay to store in insane.

  • Anonymous

    Most of it is our judicial system, IMHO.  When defense attorneys like Baez can call George Anthony a pedophile when he clearly knows he isn’t, is indicative of a flawed system. Lying and scandalizing an innocent man who happens to be a victim himself should be illegal and its sad that he can’t sue Baez and at least get 30 minutes alone with him to beat his a$$ for it. 

    I think LE for the most part does a good job.  Not that there aren’t goobers and corrupt officers out there.  I just think most happen to be stand up and do the best they can with what they have to work with. 

  • Anonymous

    With the way things are going, every year my house gets more & more filled with halloween props.

    I can tell you right now, if we ever rent a storage unit for the Halloween props & someone buys it after we die, they’ll think we killed hundreds of people until they realize the corpses are intact & there isn’t a smell.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    I’m sensing a drug legalization issue … why does everything revolve back to legalizing drugs ? … some people (not Hal specifically) act like legalizing MJ would be the start of a world peace utopia or something.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    It’s the same everywhere … more,and more bullshit.

  • Anonymous

    IKR.  Do you know the first three things that are going to happen if its ever legalized??

    1) our auto insurance rates are going up
    2) our health insurance premiums are going up
    3) our life insurance is going up

    Taxes on the shit are going to be so high – no pun intended – that only the rich will be able to afford it.  And you know the dealers are going to raise their prices.  People who use it are better off using it illegally and putting aside a little bail money in case they need it.

    ROFLOL about start of world peace.

  • aka jas

    There is no stench, like the stench of death.  There is no time or washing that gets that out.  It is also a smell that is FOREVER burned in your nostrils.  So while, I hope for the families sake it went away, I highly doubt it. 

    Now im going to google.  ;.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Regardless of the quality of the freezer I’m sure the murdering Bastard didn’t pay extra to rent an environmentally controlled storage unit;so with the freezer having not been plugged in,it becomes a mute point.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    You need to go get those purple hands looked at.

  • aka jas

    Dang, I didnt even notice.  I must be use to it. ;.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Nicely wrote Hal,but crime is crime.The fact that you think certain crimes should have a much lower,or no budget,or be legal, does not make those crimes less illegal.

    “When someone drops off the grid the cops can’t find the dude – at all –
    because unless they look up on a computer screen they’re lost.” You would be surprised at who LE can find Hal;it just depends on who,and what are involved.

    As for prosecutors – its not always that they are “inept”,the judicial system was actually set up in the defendant’s favor,and for very good reason.”the defense attorney exploits bureaucratic and procedural mistakes made by the cops.” I would hope that they did Hal since after all – that’s part of their job.I don’t know about you, but if “I” were a “Defendant” “I” would want “my” Attorney to do his “job” and to do it well.

      As for Richard Ricci – he was apparently innocent of kidnapping Elizabeth Smart,but he was still a scum bag,and I don’t believe the charges holding him were ” trumped up” at all.The guy was on parole for a 1983 attempted murder of police officer Mike Hill;and the charges he was being held on were felony burglaries of homes in the area;which were  similar in circumstances to the break-in at the Smarts. Ricci later died in jail from a brain hemorrhage – I call that “Justice served”.

  • Hekate

    I iced em down…. all good!
    thanks for the concern tho, Ced!

  • Anonymous

    It didn’t sound like anyone believes it’ll start a utopia, but it certainly would save time and money spent within law enforcement allocations so they can focus on crimes such as the ones you read here. Whether you support it or not, that’s a valid point.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    I’ve always noticed that of all the characters in court who enter statements into the record its the two sharks – who ironically do almost all the talking – not under any oath to tell the truth. And they will tell you that is a cornerstone of their profession, that they are advocates and not there for ‘justice.’

    And prosecutors annihilate peoples’ reputations all the time as well. Its a lawyer thing, not a defense attorney thing.

    And as far as drugs go, I’d go for not outright legalization but decriminalization and see how that works. Because we waste so much resources and prison-beds on dopers instead of kid-touchers as an example. How many Demon stories involve a character with five priors etc.? Its disgusting. But we got Joe Hippie in the clink doing a decade for having a pound of dope. Or some dealer’s girlfriend-mule locked up for decades. Its so stupid. And you know what we get for all that prohibition effort? Dope’s never been better (the Drug Warriors admit as much telling us modern dope is ‘not the weed of the 60′s cause its so powerful!), cheaper, or more available.

    Decriminalization isn’t some panacea-dream, but it would be waking up from stupid nightmare. The dope’s gonna be there whether its decriminalized or not.

  • Anonymous

    I know right, and then others pay thousands and thousands for stuff and then can’t be bothered to pay their bill and end up losing it all. Personally, if it’s something I want to keep, I want to keep it in my home. Otherwise, I’d rather donate it to Goodwill, The Salvation Army or the DAV, rather than just sticking it in storage. At least then I can pretend like I’ve done something nice.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not where I was trying to go with it. I respect what LE does, and  I am grateful for it. I may break the law (or used to, anyway) but I’m wouldn’t get mad at cops and DA’s for doing their job if I were to get caught.

    Funny story, two summers ago, I was running late for a doctor’s appointment, and I swear I wasn’t trying to speed, but the anxiety of it had given me a lead foot and when I looked down at the speedometer I was going more than ten miles over. I slowed down, but the a few minutes later, there’s this bright red sports car behind me with the lights flashing. I pull over, and he gives me a ticket. As he’s walking away, I lean my head out of the window, and called out, ‘Thank you!’ Shocked the hell out of him.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    @Cedric

    “You would be surprised at who LE can find Hal;it just depends on who,and what are involved.”
    I’m constantly surprised who they can’t find. They didn’t find Elizabeth Smart’s abductor. They didn’t find Eric Rudolph until dumb-luck and off-duty caught him dumpster-diving one night. Osama Bin Laden put away his satellite phone and it took forces far larger and incredible than any cop-shop to even get a sniff of him years and years later. If you put away the cellphone, credit-card, and Facebook account, and nobody snitches, cops are stumped. Again and again.

    “As for prosecutors – its not always that they are “inept”,the judicial system was actually set up in the defendant’s favor,and for very good reason” 

    Tell that to the thousands and thousands who got the Public Pretender. The Justice System isn’t built to ‘favor’ the defender, its just this corpulent mess of bureaucracy and paperwork that can be honed and shaped into whatever your advocate – your lawyer – can manipulate it for. You get what you pay for, and if you can’t pay…bottoms up. Prosecutors and cops get lit up by good defense attorneys precisely because they’re lulled into complacency dealing with endless losers with the Public Pretender and the indifference such grinding routine engenders.

    “As for Richard Ricci – he was apparently innocent of kidnapping Elizabeth Smart,but he was still a scum bag,and I don’t believe the charges holding him were ” trumped up” at all.”

    They picked Ricci up because the loser had some beer-cans in his trailer. That was his parole violation…drinking on parole. He wasn’t even drunk when they dropped by. The cops got the ‘felony burglary’ charge because dim-bulb Ricci admitted to stealing some jewelry while working on the Smarts’ home trying to clear his name regarding the disappearance of the kid. But of course he didn’t have counsel did he? Which is why he talked to the cops at all, which any decent attorney would advise against. (note my previous point). So instead he dies in prison with everyone thinking he was a kidnapping child-rapist-murderer. Only people who deserve that are people who are that.   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    I would count that as a valid point.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Bet that did shock him.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    LOL

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    “Public Pretender.” LOL. LOL. LOL.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    My final word on Ricci (The guy was on parole for a 1983 attempted murder of police officer Mike Hill). “FUCK HIM.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Lawyers OathI do solemnly swear (or affirm):

    I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Michigan;

    I will maintain the respect due to courts of justice and judicial officers;

    I will not counsel or maintain any suit or proceeding which shall
    appear to me to be unjust, nor any defense except such as I believe to
    be honestly debatable
    under the law of the land;

    I will employ for the purpose of maintaining the causes confided to
    me such means only as are consistent with truth and honor, and will
    never seek to mislead the
    judge or jury by any artifice or false statement of fact or law;

    I will maintain the confidence and preserve inviolate the secrets of
    my client, and will accept no compensation in connection with my
    client’s business except with my client’s knowledge and approval;

    I will abstain from all offensive personality, and advance no fact
    prejudicial to the honor or reputation of a party or witness, unless
    required by the justice of the cause with which I am charged;

    I will never reject, from any consideration personal to myself, the
    cause of the defenseless or oppressed, or delay any cause for lucre or
    malice;

    I will in all other respects conduct myself personally and
    professionally in conformity with the high standards of conduct imposed
    upon members of the bar as conditions for the privilege to practice law
    in this State.

    HAL: This covers most everything.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    “I’m sensing a drug legalization issue” Judging by the responses – I was right.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    That oath is an oath upon joining the American Bar Association – a private organization. It carries all the weight of Sacred Rites of the Elks Lodge.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    All I’m gonna say is why was Ricci out of prison if he attempted murder on a police officer? How did he get out of the can in the first place? If people are going to die in prison they should be guilty of what they’re in prison for. Ricci walks on a severe crime, dies in the can under erroneous suspicion – public and media conviction – of kidnapping and murdering a little girl instead. 

    That guy’s life-story and end is exhibit A in my criticisms of the American legal-industrial complex.

  • Prominent Prozac

    Just my luck.All the good ones are dead.Drats

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    “In sickness and in health, in good times and bad, I lawfully take this woman to be my wife ’till death do us…storage shed?” (Cue sound of record needle scratching the LP).

  • Anonymous

    Gas in the tank…$45…Speeding ticket…$150…The look the cop gives you when you thank him for the speeding ticket…Priceless.

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t make sense to me to bring up Bin Laden; he was definitely out of cops’ jurisdictions and hiding in a country whose leaders clearly didn’t want to cooperate. The world is a great big place with countless hidey-holes, hell the U.S of A. is all by it’s lonesome.

    I can’t really speak to your other points, as I’m not knowledgeable in any of it, but I would just like to add this:

    It bothers me that the prevailing mentality in our country is now to hate cops. Yes, there are some, perhaps even many out there who don’t desrve to wear the badge. But if you look at any large group of be they doctors, lawyers, Christians, Muslims, or cops, your bound to find some with unsavory characters. It bothers me that I once shared your way of thinking.

    It wasn’t until a few years ago that I changed that thought process, all because of a comment made by my 3 yr old nephew. We were driving down the street one day when we passed a cop car and he said, “I hate the po-po’s!”

    It was clear to me that he was parroting something he had heard from an adult, and all I could think at the time was, ‘Is this REALLY what we’re teaching our kids?’ It’s everywhere; on our t.v.’s, in our music, weasling it’s way into our thought process. It’s not surprising that he picked it up, but it disturbs the hell out of me. It also scare’s the hell out of me.

    When, I was a child, I was taught that If I ever got lost, say at a store or something, I shouldn’t approach just any stranger, that I should look for a store employee or… a cop. Who is this kid supposed to turn to in a time of need if he’s taught to hate cops? It really just bothers me.

    I climb down of my soap box now.

  • Prominent Prozac

    You know what’s funny really though, since I saw that today it really instilled the song “It’s a great day to be alive” in my head..I wish he said “And not a frozen pot pie”

  • Jemimabean

    I thought the same thing. every time a wrinkly dies, there’s some awful assortment of “dead old person’s food” that needs to be sorted out and disposed of- always kind of revolting. My SIL’s neighbour died and the next visit, my kids were offered all types of weird pickles and biscuits to eat. I was utterly revolted- I don’t know why, but you just don’t EAT dead people’s food. There’s something fundamentally wrong with that.

  • Anonymous

    Hal I would like to nominate you for sainthood.

  • Anonymous

    It could be. When ever I smoke dope I lose my desire to kill everybody.

  • Anonymous

    You forgot one thing. It will grow on your window sill. In fact it will grow in the dust on my window sill. Yes and it is all natural.

  • Anonymous

    Its wonder you did not get hauled in for being too retarded to operate a moving vehicle.

  • Anonymous

    Cops aren’t here to help you. They investigate and arrest somebody, anybody will do for the moment. An acquaintance who was a criminal intelligence officer for 18 years told me the last thing you should do is call the police. This is when I worked for a year as as a undercover informant for the DEA. They are scarier and more dishonest than any drug dealer I ever met and I knew a lot of those.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not going to get any more expensive, trust me. We’ve been relaxing the law here in Cali for a while, and even black-market weed has gotten dirt cheap.

    Or so I’ve heard…

  • Anonymous

    That’s city folks for you. Us hillbillies who live in the country just borrow a neighbors backhoe. It makes everything OK cause it is all organic. Besides it makes the tomatoes redder and meatier.

  • Anonymous

    So, he admitted to stealing, but you think he didn’t belong in prison? Or should we just let everyone off the hook for smaller crimes when there’s a more serious one in the area?

    WTF do you want? Cops fuck up too, big fucking deal. Your attitude seems to be that the glaring mistakes of some law enforcement means all cops and their methods are bad or ineffective. Sometimes a case just doesn’t get solved. Grow up, and accept that reality, or you’re going to spend a lot of time riding in the waambulance.

  • Anonymous

    Man, fuck the po-lice!

    No, seriously, I’d like to. It’s the uniforms, you understand. ;-)

  • Anonymous

    LOL, those uniforms are awfully sexy,so long as there’s no beer-belly of course.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not been my experience, but… to each his own, I guess.

    Any person will not do though,IMO, because there are loads of pedophile out there who would love to snatch up a lost kid.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, because only retarded people speed and are polite.

  • Anonymous

    You are right it always pays to be polite. Since you were polite you definitely are not retarded. The only retarded thing you did was respond to my retarded comment.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah! me to but only if they are girl police. The problem is their gun is always bigger than mine.

  • Anonymous

    That fits the description of my bathroom after  its annual cleaning.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/my2_cents/ My2Cents

    ::drive by wave:: Laura, your words meant a great deal to me, just wanted you to know.  Hope to see you around here.

  • Anonymous

    And only retarded people can recognize when they are the one who’s in the wrong.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure how to respond to that…**just smiles instead.**

  • Anonymous

    **Smiles and waves back** Good to see ya! I’m sure we’ll bump into each other. I forgot you came on here too, I don’t have to be sad anymore. Yay!

  • Anonymous

    That is incorrect. Lawyers are officers of the court.

    Officer of the court: any person who has an obligation to promote justice and effective operation of the judicial system, including judges, the attorneys who appear in court, bailiffs, clerks, and other personnel. As officers of the court lawyers have an absolute ethical duty to tell judges the truth, including avoiding dishonesty or evasion about reasons the attorney or his/her client is not appearing, the location of documents and other matters related to conduct of the courts.

    Source: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/officer+of+the+court

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure that pesky document called the Constitution figures into this too. 

    Kind of puts a damper on illegal searches, interrogating suspects without an attorney present, etc.

  • Anonymous

    Legalizing (or decriminalizing drugs) will not solve a lot of the hurdles police face when solving crimes:

    Witnesses who won’t talk
    Suspects who won’t talk
    Insufficient evidence for a search warrant (can’t find a body in a storage unit, if you can’t search the guy’s property)

  • LeaveMeBe

    Alright Ced. It’s on! Me and you, right here, right now! I feel like slapping you around a bit. *dances around floating like a butterfly ready to sting like a bee* 

    And just so you know dude, nothing with you is ever a “mute” point. ;)

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    Hey PureDrivenSnow:

    Lawyers are under no obligation to tell the truth regarding events of the cases they try. They can lie to the Judge all day about their narrative of a murder, rape, whatever. They are the only ones who can do that without risk of perjury when entering statements into the court record. 

    They can advise a client to perjure themselves (lie) on the stand from a position of complete immunity and nobody has any injunction on attorney-client privilege.

    All examples you cite involve conduct of the court and its operations. They have no bearing on whether the narrative the advocate advocates is true or not. If I lie about where I was on such-and-such day while on the stand, that’s perjury. If my lawyer lies to the jury. the Judge, anybody, about where I was on such-and-such a day it is not perjury. Do you see what I mean?

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    It will solve some. When you think in terms of just raw man-hours alone, putting that budget of time to other crimes will make a difference in all kinds of crimes. 

    Matter of fact do some basic math, you rapidly discover the number of officers in the DEA alone is enough to have agent for EVERY GUN MURDER in the United States for a full year. And we’re not even counting local-yokels in the anti-drug biz, just the Feds. The resources devoted to (not) stopping dope is amazing. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    If he boosted some jewelry than he should have been charged and bail should have been set for that charge. My point is if that Ricci guy had a lawyer, had money, when the cops showed up first thing he would’ve said is ‘Call my attorney’ and suddenly he gets a different deal. That is not justice, that is people taking advantage of other people’s weaknesses. 
     
    Now, we can say Ricci was a scum-ass and deserved it but in that system the rich Ricci guy with the lawyer gets away…and there’s lots of him out there. Why are you cool with that? 

  • Anonymous

    @Hal9000

    Attorneys cannot legally lie in court. If they do it is perjury and can face charges and be disbarred.

    If an attorney puts a witness on the stand which he knows is going to lie, the attorney can be charged with suborning perjury and can be disbarred.

    .

  • Anonymous

    What you are saying is that when any attorney enters the court room and makes any air driven sound except farting he can be disbarred.