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Medicine Hat, Canada – One of the cases that has fascinated me over the years is the Richardson family murders in Medicine Hat, Canada. Back in April 2006, Marc Richardson, 42, and his wife Debra, 48, were found in stabbed to death in the basement of their home. Their 8-year-old son, Jacob, was found dead on his bed with a slit throat. Their 12-year-old daughter, Jasmine Richardson, was no where to be found.

When the reports first started coming out, investigators feared the young girl had been abducted. But to everyone’s surprise the girl was arrested the following day, along with her 23-year-old boyfriend Jeremy Steinke, each charged with the murder of the girl’s family. The motive? Jasmine’s parents had forbid her from seeing the much older Jeremy.

The pair had some interesting conversations online, including one to Jeremy from Jasmine that read  “I have this plan.  It begins with me killing them and ends with me living with you.”  Jeremy replied “I love your plan but we need to get a little more creative with like details and stuff.”

On the night of the murders, Jeremy ambushed Debra and Marc in their basement, stabbing them both to death. The medical examiner told a jury that Debra had been stabbed 12 times while Marc, who fought for his life, was stabbed 24 times. Steinke told an undercover officer that at one point Marc looked up and asked, “Why?” and Jeremy replied “‘cause you treat your daughter like shit, she wanted it this way.”

The pair then went upstairs to deal with a frightened Jacob, who Jasmine felt was too sensitive to be an orphan. He was at the top of the stairs in his underwear pleading for his life. Jasmine stabbed him in the chest. Jacob ran to his room only to be followed by the pair. Jasmine tried to strangle her brother before settling on slitting his throat. Jasmine testified that her brother gurgled as he lay dying.

After the murders, the pair met at a friends house where the bragged and laughed about what they had done and then had sex and planned a gothic wedding. They were arrested the following day almost 100 miles away after police began interviewing her friends. They had found one of Jasmine’s drawings that depicted her lighting her family on fire and running to Jeremy’s truck.

But even jail couldn’t keep these two apart, Jeremy even proposing to Jasmine in a jailhouse letter that read:

“Without you this life isn’t worth living… U said you want to get engaged? Then here’s a Q…Will U marry me? If so then it is a verbal agreement!”

Jasmine responded:

“Ahahaha! I never thought I’d find myself hystericaly laughing in a holding cell in these kinds of circumstances…or ever really. But still! ahaha you make me so happy! Yes! Yes! I will, I would love to… “

In July 2007, Jasmine made Canadian legal history after being found guilty of three counts of first-degree murder and becoming the youngest person ever convicted of multiple murders. In November 2007 she was sentenced to the maximum penalty of ten years imprisonment, to be followed by four years in a psychiatric institution and four-and-a-half years under conditional supervision.

In December 2008, Steinke was also found guilty of three counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to three life sentences to be served concurrently. He’ll be eligible for parole after serving twenty-five years.

Psychiatric pre-sentencing reports described Jasmine as suffering from oppositional defiance disorder and conduct disorder. At the beginning of her therapy, she was said to have suffered from dependency issues, anxiety and depression, and was prone to immature problem-solving and wishful fantasies.

In 2008, it was reported she was making progress, but that her interpretation of facts surrounding the crime was “troubling.” In 2010, it was said she was making “significant progress” in intensive young offender rehabilitation and earning straight A’s in school.

Yesterday a judge deemed Jasmine, now a Calgary university freshman, a low risk for future violence and fit to re-enter the community.

Court of Queen’s Bench Justice Scott Brooker said the latest psychologist report shows Jasmine is cooperating fully with staff within the treatment program and has displayed “exemplary behavior.”  At the end of her hearing, Jasmine stated she was grateful and the her treatment had helped her to grow.

She will be allowed to live in an Alberta residence approved by her probation officer beginning in November. She will have to report to authorities once a week and notify her probation officer if she moves. She’ll also be be under a daily curfew, continue with her treatments, not use drugs or possess weapons and will have her social networking site activity monitored.

If you would like to read a really book about this case, definitely check out Runaway Devil. It’s very well written and pretty accurate.

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  • guillotinegirl

    Ah, to be young and in love.

  • Anonymous

    “Psychiatric pre-sentencing reports described Jasmine as suffering from oppositional defiance disorder and conduct disorder.”

    i am generally willing to consider youthful idiocy as a cause for most anything… but the coldbloodedness exhibited – and method used – when murdering her brother makes me think that she suffers mostly from “lack of a rope around her neck” disorder.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ericagieras Erica Gieras

    Yeah she killed her brother because she felt he wouldn’t do well as an orphan? What a cunt, she deserves the same kindness that she showed him. I don’t care that she was only 12. 

  • Anonymous

    Dude. The part of the story about her little brother actually made me well up.

  • http://profiles.google.com/coldlogic HAL 9000

    “Psychiatric pre-sentencing reports described Jasmine as suffering from oppositional defiance disorder and conduct disorder.”
    Sounds like she should be suffering from ‘”7.62mm entry head exploding disorder.” One thing I’ve learned anecdotally about the shrink business is when they say “disorder” they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking and therefore make shit up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002640507254 Knoxxxious

    Is that pronounced ‘stinky’?

  • Shauna Olsen

    Um…justice served??? NOT!!! She should be in prison for life. After all, her family is dead because of what she and her “romeo” did. WTF? Only 10 years? She will still be able to have children *shudders at thought*. So sad.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I can only go by what was said after the fact by friends and the trials, but I swear, even at 12, it really does seem like Jasmine was the one doing all the manipulation.

  • Ray Marquez

    Yeah man that shit got to me too. Poor lil guy.

  • Anonymous

    “In 2008, it was reported she was making progress, but that her interpretation of facts surrounding the crime was “troubling.” In 2010, it was said she was making “significant progress” in intensive young offender rehabilitation and earning straight A’s in school.”

    When are people going to realize that you cannot rehabilitate psychosis?   There is a distinct LACK of “something” there in their brains and they are consummate, pathological liars!  If a psycho (or even a socio) is going to want OUT of their situation, they’ll do whatever they can to appease the people around them to get out.

  • Anonymous

    I would not want that little monster living anywhere near me.  I have worked with disturbed children and sadly sometimes they are just to broken to be fixed.  I think this one here is just a waste of oxygen.  

  • reapre

    Hard to comment.

    Looking at the age hard to want her to fucking die a slow painful death. 

    But I still feel it. 

    The boyfriend has no mercy from me.  He was there was square and everything.  He should’ve been the mature one to tell her no, and maybe try to get her help…Not counting he’s a fucking pedo.  If he wasn’t involved the parents, and more importantly the younger brother, may very well still be alive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damon-Brooks/16830551 Damon Brooks

    Agreed. Even behind bars, The (ex?) boyfriend is still a pawn. I’m sure she’ll string him along until she gets married to another guy, if not longer. 

  • Anonymous

    Well, I guess Canada is the place to be if I want to commit a mass murder.  Spend a few years in jail, have a bunch of idiot psychiatrists blame my actions on trumped-up “disorders”, and get out in time to go to college.  Sounds like a win to me!

    And an adult getting 25 years for 3 murders?  What a deal! 

    *making angry eyes*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IPDRCYOSEGED5J3FH5MTXTSOEM Tristan

    Soo what? The public isnt outraged that she murdered 3 people including a small child? The hell man?

  • Anonymous

    What do you expect?  They’re Canadians.  (it’s not even a real country, anyway…)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000845841012 Michelle Adolphson-Sullivan

    He should have been charged with statutory rape.  23 with a 12yo?  F’ing pedophile.  I hope hes enjoying his ass raping.

  • reapre

    Don’t forget the child molestation/statutory rape….

  • Anonymous

    It has a kind of Sean Connery flair.  “Shtinky”. 

  • Anonymous

    Man, this stuff is just *made* for bus tours.  Cross the Canadian border, kill and maim for a few hours, eat buffet-style, and see the falls before rolling back into Buffalo. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    I wish Canada was uncivilized like us Americans and actually had a death penalty.

  • MISSanthropic

    “At the beginning of her therapy, she was said to have suffered from dependency issues, anxiety and depression, and was prone to immature problem-solving and wishful fantasies.”

    Ummm…that sounds like some pretty common 12 year old stuff. Not great excuses for murdering your parents. She’s really living the good life over there in Canada, eh? Their sentences are beyond disgusting.

  • MISSanthropic

    Seriously. Eligble for parole in 25 years? I am fucking offended.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Me too … someone should wait on this Bitch and put a hole in the back of her fucking head.
    That would be my idea of rehabilitation,then I would deem her ass fit to be placed into the dirt.

  • Anonymous

    That’ll be a poplar statement.

  • Anonymous

    Lmao Knition, I came to post on that with that very thing. I think these fucking psychatrists are making up shit. oppositional Defiance disorder?WTF? Who umongst us has not had a teen who occasionally is defiant.I did not know that was a mental condition or disorder.Conduct disorder? well that pretty much includes all of us at the DD.Right now iam suffering a mental disorder called SIC RDD. Sitting in chair reading Dreamin Demon .Christ sakes! this frustrates me. her condition is lack of empathy and the only cure is a bullet.

  • Anonymous

    Me either Erica.there is no fixing someone like that.

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    “Wouldn’t do well as an orphan?”

    No, more like “Didn’t want to risk having her brother tell the police what really happened.”

    Both of them belong under the prison, if only for murdering an innocent eight-year-old and his parents and laughing about it.  Psychotic oxygen thieves.  

  • Anonymous

    I, for one, am glad I don’t live in Calgary.

  • Anonymous

    I read the story and I also saw this on tv in a reanactment., very upsetting, seeing these poor people begging for their lives and the innocent little boy just kills me.

  • Anonymous

    Thats how Iam pronouncing it, it fits him.

  • Anonymous

    Yes Morbid and unfortunately, because she is 12 it’s hard for most people to believe a kid can be a mastermind or manipulive.It will be labeled with every thing, other then what it actually is.

  • Anonymous

    exactly,also why is it assumed because the lil bitch is getting straight A’s that makes everything better.No common sense logic in this case.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    One thing that I honestly believe to be true about a lot of Shrinks is that they may not be on bath salts – but they crave weird sex … I first became aware of this several years back when I was completing mandatory Shrink testing for a job which I was applying for … the Shrink showed me some ink blot pics and wanted to know what I saw in the blots … It’s been so many years ago that I can’t recall the guys exact words, but I remember him asking me if I saw animals having sex in a couple of those pics … and then the written question and answer part of the testing had a lot of animal sex questions in it as well – and when I say animal I mean bestiality.This was a 2 part test and I completed the written section and was supposed to return for the Doc talks to you and evaluates you part of the test,but I never went back.To be honest the Doc made me feel uncomfortable.He was a creepy fucker … I’m just happy looking back that he never asked me to lay down,after diluting my eyes …

  • Anonymous

    I would have no trouble putting her to death.

  • Anonymous

    Lmao, so…when you going to Canada?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    “Looking at the age hard to want her to fucking die a slow painful death.” I totally see your point my friend;so it’s agreed – a fast death it is … you choke her out, and I will get the can of gasoline .Burning is a really fast and fitting end for this piece of trash.

  • Anonymous

    Guys, Canada is not the way to go. Norway is where it’s at motherfuckers. If you want to commit crimes and have a good time in jail, Norway is the way to go.
    The maximum you can get is 21 years, and get this: Prisoners can ski, play tennis, and do all the fun shit you want cause Norway is so civilized, they treat their prisoners like humans.To be honest, I don’t know how their crime rate is, nor do I know if this ACTUALLY helps in anyway. Google search engines arent useful

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Actually, getting fucked by an underage Succubus  … is not illegal … which is why he was not charged for that offense.

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully this will influence Canadian laws that allow minors to stay in jail much, MUCH longer than 10 years and to try them as adults for heinous crimes. I was reading an editorial the other day on why minors should never be allowed a life sentence, and a disturbing number of commentators heartily agreed.

  • Anonymous

    ….That is one frighteningly good manipulator. I have a hard time finding that someone can go from being the mastermind behind slaughtering their entire family, happily it seems, to a normal, productive, well adjusted person in 10 years. Or ever. The fact that she was 12 seems kind of irrelevant on this one. Not so much I’m 12 and mad at my parents so STABBITY STAB STAB followed by oops. Seems like she was pretty god damn cold and calculating.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    I think you best be careful what you say about Canadians and about Canada Kittyskyfish. If I remember correctly Parrot Toes lives there … 

  • reapre

    Oh don’t get me wrong, put her on a cross and crucify her with railroad spikes (of course, each will be soaked in alcohol, don’t want that last minute infection…), each spike hooked up to a low amperage-high voltage power source right in the middle of time square for everyone to see, and shock her every 2 minutes until she died of exposure (yes we’ll give her small quantities of water and bread, don’t want her dying too fast).  That’s fitting for me. Fast death = totally undeserving.  
    That’s just my “thanks” for killing the 8-y/o little brother she didn’t want orphaned.  Kid killers = no sympathy.  

    Just hard to hate a child as much as I hate some of these fuckin adults that do similar shit.

  • Anonymous

    When my son was about 11 years old his doctor diagnosed him with Oppostional Defiant Disorder. They tried to make me give him meds for it…  I told them to shove it.  Giving a kid meds for being mouthy or defiant?  I was in shock.  My son is now a well behaved soldier in the US Army and all it took was some real parenting and discipline.  These conditions doctors come up with now are insane….  not to say some arent real….  but PLEASE!!!!! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    WOW … her boyfriend looks like a man-bitch.I bet that mouth of his is real popular about now … you probably need a reservation to get seated.

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  • reapre

    I just find it weird that statutory rape/child molestation charges were not in the charge list.  Doesn’t matter if she is a demon spawn, I highly doubt she begged and begged him to be her boyfriend.  I’m pretty sure he had to chase that piece of ‘ass’ down and put his own work in.  (Which I’m guessing wasn’t that hard with all her “mental problems”).  

    It’s good to know if you don’t want to be an RSO, just murder her family while in Canada…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Oh – I stand corrected … my mistake. In that case we won’t need the gas – so I will be working the crowd selling trinkets.

  • Anonymous

    Very rarely will I say a child is beyond help. This is one of those cases however. Yes the older boyfriend is a perv and had a very large part in this.
     But from what I’ve read about this case over the years, this girl was far more mature than her age of 12 years,and more to the point,whether under the infulence of her boyfriend or not, she murdered her entire family.
     IMO,she’s a sociopath and it won’t be a matter of if she’ll kill again but when.

  • Anonymous

    You talking about Casey Anthony here?

  • Anonymous

    Good for you honey, you did the right thing.They are to quick to medicate people and when it comes to kids being medicated down right dangerous.

  • Anonymous

    lmao Ced.Some shrinks see sex in everything and even in dream interpretation.It’s a bunch of shit I think.

  • Anonymous

    Lmao ced, your on a roll

  • Athena

    The public should have nothing to do with criminal proceedings, in Canada or anywhere else.  

  • Athena

    It wouldn’t have done any good.  The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled sentencing minors to death to be unconstitutional.

    There’s hope for us Americans yet.

  • Athena

    Considering Norway as a murder rate (during the 2000s) of .60 to the U.S.’s 5.0 (per 100,000), I’d say Norway is doing just fine.

    Google search engines work just fine when you know how to use them. ;)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FRH22NFO6274ZQDLUTP4KNS76U Jai

    After checking to see if the book, “Runaway Devil” was available on kindle I found out this little bit of information in the reviews, “Conduct Disorder” is a legal and psychiatric term used for those children who engage in sociopathic behavior but cannot yet be labeled a “sociopath” because of their age.” Oh okay. So that explains it. Don’t worry guys, once she kills someone as an adult, they’ll be able to label her for what she is and give her, um, the 25 years she deserves. We wouldn’t want to unfairly label the little dear at such a tender age and all.

  • Athena

    Some U.S. states have banned life sentences for minors.  More are sure to follow.  I am one who heartily agrees with that trend.  Juvenile murderers of this variety have a nearly nonexistent recidivism rate (regarding serious offenses).  Why pay to house them for the rest of their lives when we can release them with relative safety and allow them to become productive citizens?

  • http://infowars.com Domino

    YES! good for you!

  • http://infowars.com Domino

    BUT SHE WAS A CHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILD!!!!!!!! the all forgiving get out of jail free card.

  • http://infowars.com Domino

    lmfao.

  • Athena

    Having engaged in some keyboard psychiatry myself at times, I guess I might understand where some of you folks are coming from when you honestly think you can more accurately diagnose this girl after reading a few paragraphs than the psychologists who have had in-person access to her and her files for years.  But, seriously?  

    Secondly, Americans really can’t talk shit about the sentencing guidelines of other countries, considering that, despite the fact that America has the highest incarceration rate AND population in the world (yes, we’ve got more people incarcerated than China), we’ve still got the highest crime rates of the developed world.  So, maybe these countries are doing something right, huh?

  • Anonymous

    If you paint Jeremy’s nose red he would look exactly like the clown on Killer Clowns from outerspace

  • Anonymous

    sadly, those statistics you provide don’t take into account the percentage of people who deserve to be killed.  

    when you adjust the homicide statistics to include each country’s respective number of assholes, the u.s. is actually running a little light and norway’s a freakin’ bloodbath…

  • Anonymous

    Well thanks to you both!  It actually became a joke in my house.  I told my kids that ODD was genetic so they better think twice before having kids of their own.  :) 

  • Anonymous

    why is it always assumed when one commits a crime like this, that they have a mental problem in the first place?This diagnosis sounds like made up shit to me.Some people regardless of age are just fucking evil, you don’t need to be a psychatrist to know that.She is a piece of shit and will always be a piece of shit.I would not want or trust her in my life.Oh but wait! I forgot, she gets straight A;’s now ,so everything should be hunky dory and she can now be a produtice citizen.Life is fucking Grand.I might not have degrees, but that still does not mean I have to buy the bullshit they are peddling.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Hmmm ….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    You are too kind Lena.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    lmao

  • Anonymous

    If she’s going to get out of this, well, all I can hope is that eventually her guilty conscience weighs heavily enough that she suffocates.

  • wyrosjr

    What about justice? There is a zero recidivism rate for offenders that are executed. It also doesn’t have to be expensive. Hell, it could be done for less than .50$.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    “she gets straight A’s now.” Instead of a dumb killing machine … we now have one that is potentially much more dangerous – because it has paid attention in school, and now has some  intelligence.A wise man named Ced once stated that if you educate a serial killer, the end by product is an educated serial killer.You can’t take a grape and turn it into an orange anymore than you can  take a piece of shit (Jasmine) and turn it into a chocolate chip cookie.The most you could expect of the piece of shit would be for it to somewhat resemble a chocolate chip cookie,it may fool the eyes and taste buds even … but it would most likely fail the smell test;which is what Jasmine is doing right now.

  • Athena

    LMAO.  The Norwegians might disagree. :P

  • Athena

    What is “justice”, exactly?  Civilized society discarded the belief that “eye-for-an-eye” served as justice a long time ago.  Justice and vengeance are very different things, and I have a feeling you are thinking the latter.  “Justice” is most accurately associated with the concepts of  righteousness, equitableness and moral rightness, suggesting that true justice is best served by taking the higher road, which I would interpret as allowing people to pay their debts to the best of their ability.  Killing someone robs them of this ability, and does not automatically qualify as justice.  Vengeance, on the other hand, is defined as harming a person who has harmed another.  

    And, no, it could not be done for less than $.50, unless you are talking vigilantism.  Justice requires a fair trial, and that blows your budget out of the water, long before appeals are considered. :P

  • Athena

    Tell me, Lena… What is their interest in “peddling bullshit”?  What good would that possibly do them?  She gets released and reoffends and it’s their asses on the line, as well.  Their entire careers as experts would be brought into question.  Depending on Canadian law, they might even be held civilly liable, loosing all their worldly possessions to the family of her future victim’s family.  

    So, are they all evil?  Is it one big evil conspiracy to unleash this devil woman onto the world?  Maybe she’s the true Antichrist, and the psychologists are associated with the Illuminati.

    I just want people to stop and think about what they are suggesting, here.

  • Anonymous

    I saw this on TV also.  I have to say that if you’re an unbalanced, homicidal teen (or tween in this case) Canada is the place to be.  They rarely keep them in prison very long.

    So, GIVE IT UP!  Are there wedding bells in the air?  Perhaps a little Jeremy Steinke in the future?  I just need to know where they’re registered.

  • Anonymous

    I guess it should be “do I hear wedding bells”.  .

  • Anonymous

    There’s something severely wrong with a 12 year old who can do such a thing without remorse…it’s not like she killed her brother from a distance by some other method….she FACE TO FACE killed him, and I’m sure she heard her father and mother suffering and screaming. You read about child murderers, and some come out of prison still the same, and others (like Mary Bell) come out and never harm another person and seem to have developed remorse. I think there’s a reason for that…there’s a HUGE difference between someone who is a born socio/psychopath and one who is “made” through constant and continuous abuse (as in Mary Bell’s case), to the point that their ability to empathize and care about anyone’s needs other than their own is completely demolished.  Someone who once had that ability for compassion and feelings is sometimes able to be rehabilitated…there is a foundation to build on in rehabiliation. But when someone is BORN without that basic ability to empathize, or feel anything for another human being, it’s quite impossible to PUT it there. THOSE are the kinds of kids who should never be put back out in society. There is no rehabilitating a born psychopath or sociopath who never had that foundation to begin with…they only get smarter and more adept at manipulating those around them…many are sheer geniuses. And there are those who suffered a head injury in childhood that has damaged that part of the brain that helps with impulse control and empathy (it’s amazing how many serial killers have been found to have head injuries in their childhoods in the same spot). Until a medication or therapy comes along to correct the damage done by such injuries, or to instill the emotional capacity for empathy and a conscience, born psycho/socio paths should be kept out of society, permanently. I’m not saying she’ll kill again, but it wouldn’t surprise me, because from what I’ve read so far, this girl was not abused…that makes me wonder how in the hell she crossed the line from rebellious teenager who might run away with her bf to one who will stare her 8 year old brother in the face as she stabs and strangles him. It doesn’t bode well (to me) as to the kind of woman she’ll be…I doubt it’ll be long before she’s in another codependent relationship, where she manipulates another man into getting her what she wants (not that I’m taking blame away from the asshat in eyeliner…but he was also her puppet). That’s just my take on it.

  • Anonymous

    I’m thinking it might work for my upcoming anniversary….just kidding…

  • Anonymous

    If trees could talk….

    *flees*

  • Anonymous

    They could have swung the 23-year old by the neck.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve read Runaway Devil. The fact that her parents didn’t do a damn thing to deserve this really gets to me. Jasmine wasn’t abused at all. She did it only because like they should, they wouldn’t allow her to see a 23 year old bf. She was the mastermind of the whole thing, Jeremy is a damn moron, for allowing that. You gotta think, what 23 year old man, in his right mind, would have anything to do with a 12 year old anyway. Much less hang out with a crowd of much younger people.

    Believe me, I wish Canada had harsher laws for murderers and other criminals, too. We’re all about coddling the poor babies. What a hard life they’ve led. Wonder how long it’ll be before they consider her “cured” and she hooks another sucker on her line?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t support life without chance if parole since many 12 year olds can change, but many can’t. There are some kids that will never grow up to have humanistic views and I feel like giving a life sentence at least allows professionals to evaluate how they’ve grown, or if they’ve become too lost along the way.

    Florida is one of the few states that has life without parole for juveniles. Probably a wise decision.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    “There’s hope for us Americans yet.” I lost hope a long time ago … now I put my wishes to much better use – lottery tickets.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    I would rather not have a serial killer – ex or otherwise sacking up my groceries at the market – knowingly or unknowingly …

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    ” pay their debts to the best of their ability.” I would like to see wyrosjr’s .50 execution used for people who have confessed to murder;leaving zero doubt to their guilt.I would consider that fair payment; and any and all debts would be released at the time of death.Justice served.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    “So, maybe these countries are doing something right, huh?” Not necessarily … we just need to either build a lot more prisons, or change a few laws,etc. to where more of these really evil offenders get  wyrosjr’s .50 exit from the prison population.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    I really would like to hear what your honest opinion of this lady is Athena.I don’t like her – I think that I have made that clear.And I understand your feelings/thoughts as you have stated them on this issue – so there is no need to reiterate those points.What I would like to know is what do you think of her as a person ? And how would you feel about possibly having her sit beside you in a movie theater ?  I’m curious to hear your gut response.Oh, and these are honest questions – I’m not trying to bait you, or be a smart ass.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    I like your take on it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Well stated.

  • Athena

    *Sigh*.  You’re not getting it.  That’s okay, though.  I understand that most individuals are far more emotional than I. 

  • Athena

    Actually, many CAN change.  Recidivism for juvenile murderers (who are not of the street gang variety) is exceedingly low, suggesting that, with the right structure, discipline and education, change is very much possible.

  • Athena

    This is the second time you’ve mentioned serial killers.  Please keep in mind that we’re not talking about serial killers.

  • Athena

    I don’t know her as a person, nor do any of us, which is precisely why I defer to the experts who do know her personally.

    As far as her sitting next to me in a theater… Perhaps I am biased.  I will admit that.  As a defense attorney’s intern, I have been among murders who I would invite to my dinner table in a New York minute.  I understand and go out of my way to consider the complex, fluid nature of the human condition. With so many people pining for her death – and the death of any murderer – I strive to consider the mitigating factors and a person’s capacity for change.  Kids change.  I changed dramatically, and I don’t forget.  

  • Athena

    How do you tell a born sociopath from a made sociopath?  What’s your take on that?

  • Anonymous

    Oh hell no. 
    Here’s a psych tidbit.  Jasmine was given opp/defiant and conduct d/o because any child under the age of 18 CANNOT be given the diagnosis of “anti-social” d/o.  You know why?Because a kid isn’t fully mature until they are 18.So, they are opp/defiant and conduct d/o until they turn 18, then the diagnosis changes to anti-social.Oh yippee~ Jasmine could have gone all Jeffrey Dahmer, Aileen Wornos, Lizzie Borden, and still only be considered the diagnosis given.But it gets better!!!!  Guess what???  She fooled every single goddamn person, from the Judge to the Psychiatrists and anybody in between.  Jasmine has learned to play the game very, very, well.         

  • Anonymous

    There is a distinct difference between psychosis and psychopathy.

    Psychosis is an illness.  Its most salient feature is the sufferer’s lack of contact with consensus reality.  The psychotic are the ones you will find raving about the FBI, CIA, and KGB stealing their thought waves with isotropic radiators.  Herbert Mullins was psychotic; he killed several people in southern California to stop the earthquakes, complained about soap-dish poisoning, and was convinced somebody had stolen his aorta.  It can be controlled with medication and therapy.

    Psychopathy is a flaw in somebody’s personality.  Its most salient feature is the individual’s conceit that they are the center of the universe and nobody else in the world matters.  The psychopathic are the ones you will find committing pedophilia and, in less severe manifestations, leaving a string of bewildered betrayed individuals behind who have been discarded like a snot-soaked tissue once the psychopath is done with them.  Ed Kemper is psychopathic; he killed his grandmother because he wanted to see what it was like and went to his pshrink’s office with a victim’s head in his trunk.  It cannot be controlled with medications and treatment, unless the psychopath truly wants to change that aspect of his (or her) character, is pretty much pointless.

    (You can read about these two killers at the True Crime Library if you like.)

    Vachss has said repeatedly that illness is a condition while evil is deeds.  To paraphrase, the psychotic have a condition while the murdering psychopath is evil.

    –Al

  • Jemimabean

    Jasmine has Blue Waffles.

    Oh, and I hope she gets what’s coming to her. Stupid little Twilight fan. The system in Canada may have been too screwed up to give her what she needed (a bullet between the eyes!) but I’m sure that her vile “lover” has many friends wandering around who are just as messed up as he is, and who won’t take kindly to the time SHE did compared to the time Jeremy is doing. They’re both vile. May they rot in the deepest pits of Hell.  I cannot imagine any of my kids killing one another. The thought is just too far removed from my reality. How fucked up do you have to be to slit your tiny little brother’s throat?

  • http://twitter.com/SmileyVirus11 Smiley Virus

    I dont think she is fit to enter society ever. Who wants her walking around their neighborhood? She stabbed her 8 year old brother to death. I wouldn’t feel sad if she met the dame fate.

  • Anonymous

    oppositional defiance disorder = “Don’t tell me I’m a bitch.  I already know it.”

    She was a 12 year old brat, and wtf was she doing with someone that much older than her? Don’t they have laws on that kind of thing in Canada?  If it were my kid, that “oppositional defiance disorder” would have been history long ago.  Just slap the shit out of her bratty ass and get it over with.

    Murdering your parents is bad enough, but the reason given for murdering her brother? JFC, the girl is a whackjob.  The very LAST thing that society needs is to have that released back out in the world.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    serial killers:
    Someone who murders more than three victims one at a time in a relatively short interval.OK.Point made – but they do come close to being “serial killers”.They just needed one more victim …

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XKMAEMPVJ5T2Y35HKYTNG7I6SY Cedric

    Thank you for the honest answer Athena.I am an ex-policeman so I know that I am biased against these types of people.

  • Anonymous

    So, are they all evil? Is it one big evil conspiracy .No and if you are referring to all criminals? no.There are plenty of people in many professions who are willing to put their careers on the line for something frivolous.Take some members from congress for instants.those who are against gay marriage and then are caught stepping out with a male escort, devastating their familys.,putting their careers in jeopardy.As far as intelligence and common sense they are two different things, like love and sex.They don’t always go together.Over inflated ego, smuggness are some of the many reasons one would do that.It’s not just that she killed her family and tortured her little brother, its the way she did it. It was not a quick death for any of them they all suffered.No empathy. No amout of couseling can fix one of any age who does not have any empathy.The fact it was even mentioned she gets straight A’s,is an insult to me.That does not make the situation better. So she is a smart criminal, she is still a criminal.Maybe we should let all pedophiles out of prison then ,since they are not raping any children while in prison.That would be the same logic to me.Not all criminals can be redeemed Athena.labeling the situation with, what sounds like to me made up diagnosis does not make me feel better.I think at the very least she should have done more time.Some people are just evil there is no fixing that.

  • Anonymous

    Sure, that’s why they use the term.  As in, “disorder convince ‘em I know what I’m talkin’ about…”

    I can’t believe they’re going to release this girl.  She should be in jail for life.

  • LeaveMeBe

    *swoon*

  • LeaveMeBe

    I am just dumbfounded about their sentences and their actual release dates. I like Canada, the people, the scenery, but WTF is wrong with their justice system? Karla Homolka comes to mind as well.

  • LeaveMeBe

    I am mad that you made me laugh at this. You are just WRONG!

  • LeaveMeBe

    Let’s make a game out of guessing what their top gift items would be. I’ll start. His and her knife sets.

  • LeaveMeBe

    This question is for anyone who has read the book. In your opinion it is an unbiased review of the case and everything surrounding it is or does the author have an angle?

    And she looks wayyyyy older than 12 in that yearbook photo of her.

  • Anonymous

    Right, I did say that many can change. But for the ones that don’t, and won’t, it would be nice to keep them constantly evaluated so people can decide whether they should be released.

    This is why I am for life sentences, but not life without parole for juveniles.

  • Anonymous

    What was done to the little “sensitive” brother was heat wrenching. That tells me this was just killing to kill. Killing to be evil. 

  • Anonymous

    No, it doesn’t seem to be completely unbiased. The parents are painted in very awesome light, where I’m sure they had their problems, too. From all I’ve read about the case, it is an accurate book, though.

  • http://musclegrown.jigsy.com Darrell FIne

    Look at the dude the little whore was fuckin’. PLEASE tell me somebody killed that guy. Or I could volunteer to do it maybe? That would be ok, right?

  • wyrosjr

    I don’t believe that civilized society discarded an eye for an eye mentality. If anything, the views of the public still support it. The laws more closely follow “eye for an eye” than other single type of system. Just because we foolishly spend too much money to execute, doesn’t mean that it can’t be done cheaper or within a reasonable timeline.

  • wyrosjr

    If they work for the state and within the accepted guidelines, they are immune from prosecution. There are laws on the books for state workers.

  • Anonymous

    “Psychiatric pre-sentencing reports described Jasmine as suffering from oppositional defiance disorder and conduct disorder.” They’ll give anything a name instead of calling someone a selfish, crazy murderer won’t they?! 

  • Anonymous

    Seriously! She should have been tried as an adult! It was premeditated. Besides, she knew enough to “care” about him & knew enough to get rid of the only witness. 

  • Anonymous

    No I have actually read about the Oppositional Defiance Disorder & it’s horrible because this thing doesn’t hit teenagers, it starts out when the person is a kid. They are impossible to discipline, impossible to control & needs a whole bunch of people to treat & it includes the family getting treatment too to learn to deal with the person’s behavior.

    I’m just wondering about this because how can someone that might not understand or have the facts all distorted about KILLING 3 people, THEIR FAMILY! (The only people that think that she’s beautiful no matter what!) in a year and a half can suddlenly comprehend what they did & not end up in an institution to learn to deal with what they did for like 3yrs!???

  • Anonymous

    Fuck! My prime for commiting henious crimes has passed!

  • Anonymous

    Yes! You can come from another country (like China) use the Greyhound, decapitate & eat someone & you can have a nice stay at a crazy resort, get high & in about 2-3yrs you can have nice weekends to go into the world without ANY supervision.

    (Can’t remember the name of the guy and am too lazy to look for it in the DD, but his name might be Xiang something)

  • Anonymous

    So lemme get this straight, she’s from Med. Hat, now studies in Calgary & they’ll release her into a town in Alberta that they deem safe?

    FUCK! That fucking killin’ lil’ succubus is going to end up in 2 cities: RED DEER, or INNISFAIL. Which means either way I AM GOING TO HAVE CONTACT WITH HER. They’ll send her here because there’s a nice jail between Red Deer & Calgary. Beside that’s where they send all the supervised releases from Calgary & Bowden Pen.

    If I ever recognize her ass, you can all bet I’ma be here in DD posting her whereabouts.

  • Anonymous

    I remember her.  She’s pure fucking evil.

  • Anonymous

    You know, I thought I could google this and find *one* story, but no.  I’m coming up with several different stories, so it’s obvious my “Go Greyhound and Leave the Mayhem To Us” business model is already taken.

    *snap*

  • Anonymous

    Looks like I conflated Herbert Mullin and Richard Chase.  Chase was the soap-dish poisoning guy; additionally, he thought somebody stole his pulmonary artery, not his aorta.

    –Al

  • DiDi34

    Conduct Disorder (and Oppositional Defiant Disorder) is one of the silliest disorders to hit the DSM.  All it basically does is list serious serial misbehaviors by a minor as some sort of ‘disorder’.  So, if you are a minor & engage in sufficient lying, aggression, theft, violating rules, etc., & they can’t explain it with another ‘disorder’, you can qualify. So, it goes something like this:  You are a lying, aggressive, fire-starting minor who does not qualify under another disorder, so we label you has having ‘CD’.  What is ‘CD’?  You are a lying, aggressive, fire-starting minor who does not qualify under another disorder.  Simplistically stated, but you get the gist. Totally circular logic & just another way for mental health folks to get in on the gravy train & treat & bill under yet another DSM code plus find a way to not hold these minors truly responsible for their misbehaving because that would violate their thinking that a minor cannot truly be guilty of anything. I have worked w/kids labeled as ‘CD’ — in the past they would’ve been called juvenile delinquents. The remedy? Some get put on meds (meds don’t teach you how to follow rules) & some get talk therapy (however that usually doesn’t work well as alot of these kids are already master manipulators) but overall the ‘therapy’ is lay rules down on them, never negotiate w/them & make sure they serve consequences. Fancy that.  And, if you ‘age out’, you might then graduate to a diagnosis of Antisocial Personality Disorder. 

  • http://twitter.com/xxcarlsonxx Todd

    They say Jeremy is *ELIGIBLE* for parole in 25 years. In Canada, you cannot be sentenced to more than 25 years off the bat. You get 25 years maximum and if you get in shit while on parole you go back. Canada is more lenient and focuses more upon the idea that you can change from your mistakes. I don’t agree with her being released, but that’s our laws up here. Also, the greyhound murderer is a schizophrenic so he has been receiving treatment. Also, he gets 30 min heavily surprised trips into the town, get your facts straight before you insult my country please.

  • http://twitter.com/Gorgeous_Jerk Haley

    I find it hard to believe that six short years is sufficient to rehabilitate someone capable of such an horrendous (and obviously premeditated) crime. *IF* it’s even possible to rehabilitate them at all, that is.

    I also completely agree with everyone saying that this “ODD” and other adolescent “disorders” are to blame. What child hasn’t had their share of differences with their parents? The difference here is that most children aren’t so out of touch with reality that they think that murdering their parents is the only reasonable way out. She was a spoiled brat who didn’t want to live under her parents reasonable rules, so she lashed out in an unimaginable way. She deserves to be locked up for life, there’s no hope for a person like that. Someone who starts out so young being so manipulative and cold-blooded will be that way for the rest of their life.

    Sidenote on the author of this post’s recommendation to read Runaway Devil: While, from what I can find, it does appear to be quite accurate, I wouldn’t go so far as calling it “well written.” Just my opinion. Definitely worth a read, however.

  • deniz zen

    THE LAW IS TOO LENIENT THEY BOTH AT LEAST DESERVE THE ELECTRIC CHAIR OR SHOULD BE TORTURED TO DEATH JUST LIKE THEY KILLED THAT INNOCENT FAMILY , THE GIRL WHO SO BRUTALLY KILLED HER OWN PARENTS AND KID BROTHER NEEDS TO BE TORTURED TO DEATH

  • http://twitter.com/H00dn3rd Louikenz

    She will kill again, this is unbelievable. The justice system is so irresponsible, when she does kill again they will take no blame.

  • warlock

    she new what she was doing even a five year old knows right from wrong, she killed her brother she grew up with him she should have got the death penalty ,she should not be allowed in general public . she will kill again the legal system is too lazy and fucked to know how to punish the guilty.

  • warlock

    how do you know hes well behaved do you think hes going to let his parents know how he really is, think about it hes a soldier he wants control and now he has a licence to kill, man your a bit slow and how can he register as a soldier when he got a diagnosis as having a mental disorder i doubt he would pass the medical evaluation.. secondly the guy that helped that girl kill he should be shot and or get lethal injection he is very imature and i would be surprised if he was either brain dammaged to love a child of 12 years old, or he has schizophrenia.

  • disqus_aQiOlHpCrm

    There are a lot of issues to be looked at in this situation. One being that they were mislabeled as being part of an underground culture they had nothing to do with. Runaway Devil kept calling them Gothic. Korn Marilyn MANSON and Cradle of Filth are not Goth. They fall more under the Metal or Black Metal genre. One look at Jeremy and his appearance more reflected Richard Ramirez or Ricky Kasso metal heads who committed murders twenty and thirty years ago. Not saying that there haven’t been
    crimes involving Goth fans but over all the Goth culture despite it’s dark overtones dose not emit the same hostility as found in Metal. One look at JR in make up she more looked like a clown than a Goth. I mbelieve she was mislead by the media and Jeremy. manipulating. her adolescent mind to believe the defiant world of Goth was what they said it was and to be used as a tool to adgitate her parents. They say she is in college now and is on a better. Path. But did college help Ted Bundy? I’d. More compare her to that then to Karla Holmoka. Jeremy dose not share any traits with Paul Bernardo. JRs’ biggest problems I believed stemmed from her age and difficulty with life. Following the media and becoming a sociopathic nympho. The next ten years should prove of interest.

  • GDrugginsNumbaWonPhan

    People are being outraged all outraged, but I mean, do you remember your mental processes at 12 years old? I remember that when I was that young, I knew vaguely that some things were “bad”, but I remember getting caught up in the moment of things and not thinking of right or wrong, especially if there was an older kid that I looked up to encouraging whatever it was. Kids do not have good long-term thinking, especially about consequences. They don’t tend to have a strong “guilty conscience”, or sense of regret. They’re more interested in the now, and the excitement of something. Not saying what she did wasn’t horrible, but that she was young, probably going through that tween angst period, and highly influenced by an older, seriously disturbed, guy. If she has been able to become a mature, well adjusted adult, then I think she should get a second chance.

  • RedBelleMage

    This monster got away with murder….her poor brother will never attend college, never have a girlfriend, never graduate, etc. All because of her. Her parents who loved and nurtured her viciously stabbed. This b***ch shouldve gotten the death penalty at the very least life with no chance of parole. How is she allowed to be free and go to college

  • https://www.facebook.com/shawn.ealy.7 Shawn Ealy

    wow. Canada allows killers to walk free. and i thought FL was bad. For all i know she is faking it and fooling the system (weak system) i must admit. quite sad that idiots really by the shit that shes telling them. she was the ringleader in this and gave her “bf” the ok to kill her family. so she should be sentence to life. but that’s not the case so u might as well let the bf go too. i dont care how old she was when she did it. she knows right from wrong. if you want to act grown up, you get charged like one. she took 3 fucking lifes. yet don’t really care for the life’s that where lost. this system is pathetic.

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