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Pit Bull Advocate Killed By Her Pit Bull

August 15, 2011 at 4:26 pm by  

PACIFICA, CA – Police say a pregnant woman was mauled to death by the family pit bull inside her home on Thursday.

Her husband, Greg Napora, says the last time he saw 32-year-old Darla Napora was when he was leaving for work. She was sleeping in the bed with their two pit bulls — Gunner, a 2-year-old male and Tazi, a 6-year-old female.

When he returned home at around 12, he found Darla laying on the ground covered in blood with Gunner, also covered in blood, hovering near her body. Napora called 911 and wrestled Gunner into the backyard, receiving some hand injuries in the process. Paramedics tried to save Darla, but she died on the scene.

One neighbor described a horrific scene.

“He was in the driveway all frantic, yelling,” said Carlson, who lives across from the couple. “He had blood on his hands, blood on his shirt and blood down his pants.”

While paramedics tried to save Darla’s life, Gunner escaped from the backyard. When he approached them, police shot him multiple times, killing him. Greg has stated the dog did not charge anyone when he was shot.

Darla was an avid pit bull lover and supporter of Bay Area Dog lovers Responsible About Pit Bulls, or Bad Rap, a group that tries to change negative attitudes toward pit bulls derived from stories in which pit bulls chew off the face of the pregnant women who raised them.

Gunner was not neutered, a fact that some believe played a role in provoking the attack. I was not aware that some areas actually have laws that state pit bull owners must have their dogs spayed or neutered because I guess they are like ticking time bombs if they’re not.

Greg has forgiven Gunner for taking the life of his wife and his unborn child and is doing everything he can to get Tazi back..

“They are the most loving animals I have ever had in my life. Whatever happened right now was not the breeds fault,” he said. In fact, the couple loved the pit bulls so much, Gunner’s ashes will be buried with Darla.

Some of the comments from the pit lovers are as entertaining as the comments from the pit haters. The haters don’t need much here as the reports are that this woman was killed by her pit bull and that’s about all they need.

But the pit lovers have latched on to some crazy theories that include the husband killing Darla, to rabies, to one “reporter” (I use the quotes because it’s someone from Examiner) stating Darla died from an accidental fall and the dog just stumbled upon her body.

But the news is reporting that she died from being mauled so for now I’ll do the same. If the autopsy reports show differently, I’ll be happy to post a story about that as well.

Update:

Well, looks like I won’t be writing another story because surprise, surprise, the preliminary autopsy reports prove Gunner did in fact kill Darla.

The evidence included hair and tissue sample removed from the dog. Teeth impressions from the dog match wounds on the victim, said Chief Tasa. There was no evidence of any other trauma to Napora’s body, the preliminary results of the autopsy show. Darla died from a combination of blood loss and shock.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/JellyBellyMomma Kimberly Hanselman

    I love animals, I really do. My MIL has 2 pit mixes and they are sweethearts. But son of a bitch, if I came home to find my pregnant wife mauled to death by one of my dogs, I would fucking kill it myself. I’m all for animal rights, but come on! No, maybe it wasn’t the breed, but that doesn’t mean you should cremate your dog and bury the ashes with the wife and child that it killed. Fuck! 

  • Anonymous

    Such an odd story. And so sad. I wonder what made him attack? I’m not surprised the cops shot the dog without him charging, they get their jollies by shooting dogs anyway. Multiple times is kind of extreme.

  • Anonymous

    “Greg has forgiven Gunner for taking the life of his wife and his unborn child and is doing everything he can to get Tazi back..”

    Seriously? Wtf?! And they’re burying the woman with her God
    da*n killer?! Her husband sounds completely delusional about this evil animal

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damon-Brooks/16830551 Damon Brooks

    I like pit bulls, My current facebook page is one of my sweeties (that I no longer own). That being said they should not be handled by everyone, and yes I think they can be dangerous (personal note: my pit was a push over to my labs)
    I really don’t have anything constructive to say, I suppose I just like to hear myself type.
    Sucks that this happened. Good irony though. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I’m putting my money on some whack job that hates pit bulls sneaking into her home to kill her and set up the dog.  She was an advocate of something many misinformed people hated.  It wouldn’t surprise me if my conspiracy theory were correct, then again my mind could be tainted from DD stories. 

  • LeaveMeBe

    I don’t give a damn what type dog it is, if I come home and one of my family members has been mauled to death by MY DOG I will kill it myself and it would not be buried with my dead family member. I love animals, I really do, and animals do what they do, I get that. But I’ll be damned if I would play a part like this guy did after shit like this goes down. I’d forgive my dog for chewing up my favorite pair of boots but not for killing a family member. Stupid ass man.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SZTEOIXOLRM5M2VDKZHSZICFDA CDJ527

    I am an animal lover, I have a dog and four cats.  I personally would never own a Pitbull, but the love I have for my animals makes me totally understand how someone could easily forgive something like this.  I myself would feel the same way if my dog hurt me or someone I loved.  Most responsible dog owners understand that if the dog bites, it’s usually a reaction to something, either the person who got bit or a situation the animal is in.  We will really never know why this happened, what situation caused the dog to attack, but I’m sure she is in the afterlife with her dog, and happy he’s there by her side, even if he was the cause of her death.  I sincerely hope he gets the other dog back.  Such a sad story for everyone involved, my heart goes out to them.

  • Anonymous

    So he had to wrestle the dog into the backyard and received hand injuries as a result, AFTER the dog killed his wife and unborn child…and then he disrespects his wife by burying that killer of a dog with her??????? I love pitbulls, don’t get me wrong, they are great dogs in the right hands, but this just blew me away. He is a lunatic. And WHY was the dog NOT neutered!!! No advocate would be breeding more when we already have thousands dying in shelters every single day, I mean come on. I’m willing to bet the female was un-altered as well.  I am so disgusted. This should have never happened in the first place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rachel.a.prince Rachel Ann Prince

    This is sad! Like wtf happened that made this dog SNAP!

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    It’s like raaiiiinnnnnn
    on your wedding day
    It’s a free ride, 
    and you’ve already paid
    It’s the good advice
    that you just didn’t take…

  • http://tothechest.com Pete Puma

    My theory is that the woman was into some preggo-lesbo-on-pit-bitch rape and Gunner was simply protecting poor Tazi.

  • http://tothechest.com Pete Puma

    My theory is that the woman was into some preggo-lesbo-on-pit-bitch rape and Gunner was simply protecting poor Tazi.

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Unapologetic Pitbull disliker here. Those dogs should never be around children IMO. Adults are fine, play Russian Roulette but with children or children on the way it’s bad news.

    But to be fair I also don’t like/trust Dalmatians, Rottweilers, Chihuahua’s, or Poodles either. 

    For me a pet does not come before safety. 

  • Anonymous

    Are you for real ?  That”s about the dumbest thing i have ever heard. 

  • Anonymous

    so this dog just killed someone and you are saying shooting it multiple times is extreme?  what if they had only shot it once and wounded it and of course it would be  a little more mad than before.  This is an animal that has just tasted blood-read about pit bulls after they taste blood.  So you would rather them have just shot the dog once and hoped beyond hope it didn’t get away and take out a few neighborhood children as a snack?  I find that stunning.  

  • Anonymous

    good theory-now away from all the reading of the DD stories and back into your straight jacket Pete.  
    lol-you crack me up-hope you know I’m teasing ya!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1069158605 Randy Whisnant

    I think I would have been mad if I was the husband. I would seriously have asked them why they had to kill him. Of course that is because I would have wanted to beat that dog to death with my own hands. And I am talking in ways that would make people sick. I don’t think I would have been able to contain myself with everything I would have felt.

  • http://twitter.com/TrueCrimeDiva True Crime Diva

    I would never own a pit bull for this reason. I don’t care if you raise it from a pup, they are dangerous. I can’t believe the husband. I guess it isn’t too far fetched to believe the husband did it. After all, he was the last one to see her alive. But, no, I think it’s obvious it was the pit bull. Maybe he told the pit bull to do it lol.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Well that didn’t take long. Updated the article with preliminary autopsy results. Wanna take a guess at what it showed? If you guessed that the dog killed Darla, you’d be 100 percent correct.

  • Anonymous

    Like all of the things in that song, you can’t really call this ironic, because you can’t really say this sort of thing is all that unexpected when you have pit bulls around.

  • http://twitter.com/DigitalPianoMan James

    I bet if a man killed his wife he wouldn’t be so forgiving. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1069158605 Randy Whisnant

    Nothing happen that makes the dog snap. Sometimes dogs just do. Some dogs have more of a tendency to do it than others. And some dogs issue more consequence when they do snap then others. Pit Bulls fit in both of those categories.

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    No. The irony is that a woman who was a pit bull advocate and claiming that they got bad raps was killed by a pit bull that obviously deserved having a bad rap.

  • Anonymous

    Its called sarcasm dipshit.

  • Anonymous

    Its an ANIMAL all animals are capable of doing this. Its like the bear trainer being attacked but still going back to them. Or the tiger whatever. They still love their animals but they know they are just that an animal. You hear so many stories about pits, not because they attack more but because of the damage they do. That being said I’ve owned 3, never had a problem with any, but as soon as I started having children I no longer had them, because it wasn’t worth the chance.

  • Anonymous

    I have seen some truly timid and sweet pit bulls in my day…and I love all animals regardless of breed. But dammit man this monster just murdered your family. If there was ever a time to change your tune ITS RIGHT NOW! All dogs have the capacity to harm…but they DONT all have deadly powerful jaws. If my dog bites me I don’t have to worry about dying a truly horrific death:(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EFHX7YJV7E75CMXRU3INLQ7ABY Todd

    Oh such sweet irony.  

    Could this guy do any better of a job exhibiting how irrationally he and his type (pit bull advocates) think about animals?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I get what the irony is SUPPOSED to be here. It might be ironic to the victim, because she apparently didn’t expect that.

    Not ironic to people who are used to repeatedly seeing stories in the news about people getting torn apart by pit bulls.

  • http://truecrimereport.com iLLusionS

    I won’t get to complicated into what I think. It does suck that this woman died at the jaws of something she loved so much, and something which was a breed she so defended. In a sad way it makes her death a mockery….that said her husband sounds a bit bassakwards as far as his take on this…but perhaps he and his wife both knew that such a risk owning such an animal WAS a possibility..

  • BooBooKittyFuck

    I’d be pissed if my murderer was buried with me…I find that part extremely fucked up. Yeah, you love doggies, but it ate you wife and baby…it’s like a fucking dingo…

  • Anonymous

    yeah, then the cops throw you in jail for animal cruelty… sorry I’m a god damned troll. I can’t help it.

  • melb1970

    I have always owned big dogs. Never a pit, I’m more of a chow girl myself. Two chow mixes- lab/chow Stinky was his name and then Pugsley chow/shepherd mix- both male.
    I almost posted a rambling eulogy to them both here, but suffice to say – they were great dogs.
    Pits are beautiful and it’s a shame they get the wrap they do but a stereotype exists because there lies some truth in it.
    What a horrible way to die, such a shame

  • http://twitter.com/Q_Jordon Quintin Jordon

    When my mother was pregnant with my brother, our cat attacked her. We had our cat for six years prior to her snapping… And the cat was – FEMALE. . . You may be on to something with the lesbo preggo 

  • http://twitter.com/Q_Jordon Quintin Jordon

    I have never had a problem with my pit bull, either. I think the two were in denial. Usually you see a sign, with any dog, that something is not right.

    And pregnancies do set animals off. . .

  • http://twitter.com/Q_Jordon Quintin Jordon

    Male dogs are 6.2 times more likely to bite then female dogs. Sexually
    intact dogs,both male and female, are 2.6 more times likely to bite
    than neutered dogs and chained dogs are 2.8 times more likely to bite
    then unchained dogs.

    In the last twenty years, pit bulls and pit mixes have killed 66 people in the United States. . .

    With that said, my bull / boxer mix is doing fine. . . He is neutered, which I think is very important for any male dog. And as we speak he has a cigar in one paw and a bourbon in the other — OH SHIT HE DRINKS. . .

  • Anonymous

    There is a difference between being bitten by  a dog and a full on mauling.I love and have dogs also. if one of them mauled another human unprovoked they would be put down, no questions asked.What your saying  is if your dog ate your child, you would forgivre the dog? not me.In the animal kingdon just like the people kingdom some animals are insane, have mental illness. this might be one of those cases.Bye law in most places you would not be putting the animal down thne authorities would do it for you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Wtf is with people calling the dog a murderer? Animals can’t murder. That is not in their makeup. They dont get a sick kick out of it, collect little trophies or brag to their furry friends about this awesome murder they just committed. Animals can KILL, yes, but not murder. Only we fucked-up humans murder.

    That being said, I’d be willing to bet it was the pregnancy that set the dog off. With my first pregnancy, my dog, who was a halfbreed Norwegian Elkhound/wolf, became very protective of me. She followed me all over the house, if I was in the shower she had to be in the bathroom, if I was sleeping, she was curled up right next to me. She never was like that with me before; her attitude completely changed. This last pregnancy my cat behaved the same way up until about the last 2 months; then he wanted nothing to do with me. If I tried to pet him, he’d hiss at me and scratch my arms. Luckily he couldn’t do very much damage. Pregnancy can make animals act so differently.
    And now the cat is protective of the baby. 

  • Anonymous

    lol, he might become beligerant now.

  • Anonymous

    lol, he might become beligerant now.

  • Anonymous

    As a side note, your way of thinking makes you just as dangerous as the pitbull.

  • Anonymous

    As a side note, your way of thinking makes you just as dangerous as the pitbull.

  • Anonymous

    This husband sounds like a fucking idiot.I would have the dogs brain autopsied for any brain abnomalities.I would not bury the dog with my wife and unborn child.I would not want the other pitbull back since she failed to protect her master.What a horrible way to die, yikes!.

  • http://truecrimereport.com iLLusionS

    I have to wonder what is going on in his skull Boo….cant really say. Wonder if it is something they ever discussed? Like “well if ours ever snaps and kills one of us…we’ll put their ashes with ours.”.Doesn’t sound like a topic someone would ever cover. Just seems a very odd thing to do.

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s horrible the dog killed someone, but he was more than likely dead after the cops shot him a couple of times, especially if he wasn’t charging toward them.

  • Anonymous

    Not quite so true Heather, some animals do kill for fun.Animals, pets can be protective but also possesive.The cat might be seeing the baby as his.Children/babys should never be left alone with pets. Just my opinion. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/shannah.guillory Shannah Erwin Guillory

    I think certain breeds are more prone to being high-strung / protective / aggressive, etc.  Chihuahuas are extremely high strung and protective over “their person.”  Labradors are pretty laid back and more likely to bring you a slobbery frisbee in hopes that you’ll throw it…whether you just shot his owner or not (<-sarcasm).  My experience with pitbulls doesn't really place them in the high strung category…more like the goofy, playful type of animal (JMO).  
    That being said, every animal has its OWN temperment and an owner who is conscientious of their own dog's mannerisms should know whether there is a potential for aggression or not.  PRIOR to this occurring.  I have had older male dogs for pets and you can always tell what they are like during discipline.  ie…I currently have a male schnauzer and he does NOT like to be corrected.  He will stare you down and growl when reprimanded but you can just tell in the mannerism if he is willing to take it a step further or not.  He actually droops his ears and his tag slowly wags (I read that as submission).  Regardless, I have plenty of respect for him and I keep a watchful eye out for that one time he might just be in a "bad mood."  He will allow me to discipline him but will not let others in the household do it without sparring back.  He just knows better than to cross that line with me – not because I am the baddest person in the house because I'm not.  You have to command his respect AND earn his trust.  It is ALL ABOUT dominance and, yes, trust.  He knows that I intend to be the boss and he better submit and obey (with grumbling, of course).  
    I don't believe that she had full command of her dog's respect.  A hug and "time out" doesn't work with dogs – they have to respect your authority.  I am sure this will spark several to laugh and say I think I'm the "dog whisperer" or that I am the future "mauling victim who will grace DD."  
    Dog owners who have raised them all their lives will more than likely understand my point.  I guess you just have to "think like a dog."  
    I'd raise another pitbull if the opportunity presents.  They are very loving, loyal animals.  So are chihuahuas, BTW :-))) (and Schnauzers lol). 

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    “A dingo at my baby!!!’

    I hate that darn movie.

  • Anonymous

    it doesn’t sound like sarcasm.   true humor derived from sarcasm is much funnier than this Michael dude’s response.   I’m with cvslkchk on this one.   you’re the dipshit.

  • Anonymous

    even if it was a chihuahua that killed your pregnant wife?   Oh wait.   never mind.   some breeds of dog are incapable of killing humans.   lol.    (hey tmfuller21!   this is what sarcasm is, you dipshit!)

  • Anonymous

    it’s california, dude.   people here are just…..weird.   they live in their own little world that even if it doesn’t conform to their eff’d up belief system, they’ll make it fit in their twisted brains.

  • Anonymous

    I’m with Angels Mom.  it’s crazy full of irony.   stop arguing with her when she’s obviously right.

  • Anonymous

    Pits attack more.   stop being a tool.

  • Anonymous

    i wish i had been there to help pump a few rounds in that dog.    

  • Anonymous

    if he was already dead, 9000 more bullets won’t make him deader – but they’ll make the person who hasn’t felt his (non)pulse yet feel a lot better about checking it.

  • Anonymous

    Greg is an idiot. I wouldn’t be too happy with my pit bulls (if I were stupid enough to adopt one or more)  if one of them just killed my family.

  • http://www.facebook.com/AngelaMelek Angela Hill

    You must not know much about the animal kingdom. Chimpanzees will kill and murder other chimp groups and their babies and EAT their babies for a PRIZE won and simply for shits and giggles? Definitely not because they were hungry. Wolf breeds of dogs have killed their beloved owner simply because she wasn’t acting like the leader of the pack anymore and she let her guard down in how to show who’s boss, so–they killed her ass. A bull killed his owner that raised him since he was a baby and then trotted around, after stopping his body to the ground, as if he won a prize. It’s definitely in the nature of animals to kill for various reasons, not only for hunger** and trust me when they do–it’s on purpose they’re damn proud of their achievements. Call it murder or kill, does it matter?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Uh, yeah, they do that to be the head of the pack. Which gets their DNA into more of the pack and continuing their line. It has a “purpose.” It’s not “fuck I’m bored, lets do bath salts and go stab some people.”

  • Anonymous

    There is a Dog Statistics done on every dog each year that shows what dogs are more aggresive than others. Are you ready? Don’t believe me look it up. Atts – Amercian Temperament Test Society Anything above 80% is good!!!! Dalmation 81.8%, Husky 86.6%, German Shepard/ cop dog 83.5%, Rotts 82.6%, Mastiff 83.9%, American Pit Bull Terrier 84.3%, American Staffordshire 83.4%, Staffordshire Bull Terrier 85.3%, and Boxer 84.3
    Now the beloved little dogs.. Collie 53.3%, Bichon Frise 79.3%, Corgi 75.4%, Chihuahua 70.3%, Dachshund 70.2%, Setter 75%, Schnauzer 75.5%, Lhasa Apso 69.2% I think we can all see that the little ones are far more aggresive than the big ones. And proven to bite MORE. Its the damage they do not how often they attack.

  • Anonymous

    There is a Dog Statistics done on every dog each year that shows what dogs are more aggresive than others. Are you ready? Don’t believe me look it up. Atts – Amercian Temperament Test Society Anything above 80% is good!!!! Dalmation 81.8%, Husky 86.6%, German Shepard/ cop dog 83.5%, Rotts 82.6%, Mastiff 83.9%, American Pit Bull Terrier 84.3%, American Staffordshire 83.4%, Staffordshire Bull Terrier 85.3%, and Boxer 84.3
    Now the beloved little dogs.. Collie 53.3%, Bichon Frise 79.3%, Corgi 75.4%, Chihuahua 70.3%, Dachshund 70.2%, Setter 75%, Schnauzer 75.5%, Lhasa Apso 69.2% I think we can all see that the little ones are far more aggresive than the big ones. And proven to bite MORE. Its the damage they do not how often they attack.

  • Anonymous

    You know, I actually just read that the cops shot the dogs a total of three times. I guess it wasn’t as excessive as the original story said, i.e. shooting him multiple times — multiple to me means an assload I guess. But still, fuck da police.

  • Anonymous

    Ehh I should have read his post twice, forgive me my two year just had brain surgery a week and a half ago, running on empty. Michael is the dipshit…and myself.

  • Anonymous

    You wouldn’t think that a 6 week old lab would be able to kill a child but it happened. If I had balls I’d tell you to get off them.

  • Anonymous

    Totally agree. I think it is very important for any male dog to be neutered. I wonder why if they are such advocates for the breed they didn’t have him neutered.

  • wyrosjr

    That is just the thing I have seen. There is no sign of violence in pits I have seen. They just “snap” and some primal instinct comes up from the depths.

  • wyrosjr

    Any dog that bites a human without good cause should be put down immediately.

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    I pray that your 2 y/o has a wonderful recovery.

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Thank you. :-)  **blushing**

  • Anonymous

    now that’s what I’m talking about!  If I were a cop or a neighbor I would want to make sure the dog was dead before anyone got close to it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I’m sure you have heard dumber things in your life.  Hasn’t your mother ever told you that you were special?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Pits don’t attack more than other breeds, use some actual knowledge in your arguments.  Their attacks are covered by the media where as the other breeds are not.  The real statistics on dogs is that the smaller the breed the more temperamental it is.  Meaning smaller dogs are more likely to attack.  Larger dogs are dumber and more docile.  When a dog attacks a human it is almost ALWAYS the humans fault.  We panic and provoke the animals natural instinct which triggers the attack.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I don’t think the dog would have been into bestiality.

  • Anonymous

    Oh all pit haters are gonna have their mouths full of shit talking with this one.

    To me it’s still the owner not the breed. HOWEVER, first I would’ve spayed/neuter just to help things. I think fighting pits should not be put to rescue but put down. These dogs were especifically bred for fighting & the nature vs. nurture thing goes out the window when GENETICS & then half raised for fighting animals are rescued. 2/3’s of something can not be turned into a 1/3.

    In other words: Nature, genetics & environment. If genetics were bred for fighting, the dog was raised to fight but then you rescue him… that dog still has it in him & has been ingrained with that on the most critical time of his life: puppyhood. This goes for all breeds of dog that were bred for fighting.

    HOWEVER, a non fighting dog can turn just as deadly for inexperienced ownership & not meeting the dog’s needs & in turn treating the dog like a human.

    Now, I love dogs in general. But if my dog killed my family, screw the cops I’ll kill it myself & go to jail happily for it. There is no chance in hell I would ever bury it with whomever they killed.What I don’t understand is why they took the other dog who did not attack. I would understand why this guy would want that particular dog back.

  • Anonymous

    Oh all pit haters are gonna have their mouths full of shit talking with this one.

    To me it’s still the owner not the breed. HOWEVER, first I would’ve spayed/neuter just to help things. I think fighting pits should not be put to rescue but put down. These dogs were especifically bred for fighting & the nature vs. nurture thing goes out the window when GENETICS & then half raised for fighting animals are rescued. 2/3’s of something can not be turned into a 1/3.

    In other words: Nature, genetics & environment. If genetics were bred for fighting, the dog was raised to fight but then you rescue him… that dog still has it in him & has been ingrained with that on the most critical time of his life: puppyhood. This goes for all breeds of dog that were bred for fighting.

    HOWEVER, a non fighting dog can turn just as deadly for inexperienced ownership & not meeting the dog’s needs & in turn treating the dog like a human.

    Now, I love dogs in general. But if my dog killed my family, screw the cops I’ll kill it myself & go to jail happily for it. There is no chance in hell I would ever bury it with whomever they killed.What I don’t understand is why they took the other dog who did not attack. I would understand why this guy would want that particular dog back.

  • Sick and tired

    WTF was my exact response when I read this idiot was burying the dog with the wife.  Really?  No matter how much she loved pits in life, I can guarantee she was rethinking her loyalty to the breed as he was tearing her face off. 

  • Anonymous

    The bull dude was asking for it since these animals usually attack once & the person survives & then proceeds to downplay the attack. The 2nd time they’re not so lucky.

    I think Heather meant that the word in particular is used for HUMAN actions unlike in the animal kingdom. Animals kill when:

    1- they’re hungry,
    2- threatened in their leadership status
    3 – scared & cornered
    3- sick & not feeling good
    4-  playing & the forced used while playing kills whatever they’re playing with
    5 – If a member is sick then they need to off the member of the group so that their scent doesn’t attract predators.
    6 – the runts usually slow down the group & proceed to attract predators.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, but now some trainers think that dogs don’t need discipline, they need to be trained.

    If you’re quoting Millan, I agree. But people think he trains dogs. He is NOT a dog trainer. He restores your dog from a nervous wreck/animal into what dogs are & behaves & THEN you can take your dog to a trainer to make it do what you want.

  • Sick and tired

    You need to look at dog bite statistics dude.  The REASON pits attack is different from every other dog.  Pit Bulls bite to kill.  They have been bred that way.  They are killers. We made them that way when we made the breeds.

  • Sick and tired

    These statistics are put out by who?  Oh yeah, Pit Bull advocates!  Go to dogbite dot org and see that 0.41% of pit bulls bite, compared to .009 rotweiller… read the comprehensive list.  I think you are reading the statistics backwards dude….because all of those “good” dogs TOP the list for numbers of dog bites over the past decade.  Go to the end of the report and read about WHY different breeds bite. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blair-Krueger/613247322 Blair Krueger

    Tools are useful, handy things to have around.

    Idiots like yourself, however, are just a tiresome, sad, dangerous reality that comes about from poor breeding and improper upbringing.

    Just like dangerous pit bulls, eh?  ( :

  • Sick and tired

    dogbite dot org they not only bite more, they bite a LOT more.

  • Sick and tired

    I’ve replied to several posts with this information, but dogbite dot org is a font of information on dog bite statistics.  Yes, they are an organization that advocates regulating dangerous dogs.  But the research is real and they didn’t do any of it… scientists did.

  • Sick and tired

    oops sorry, its dogsbite dot org

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I call BS on that site.  It’s founder had a 5 second run-in with a pit and hates them.  This site’s statistics contradicts every other statistic out there.  It’s a biased site run by some yokel in Texas that hates pits. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I looked over their site, it looked biased IMO.  The founder has control over the content that is published and the founder hates Pits.  I question why their statistics contradict what is widely accepted.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Especially if it was a chihuahua. Everyone of them wants to bite me.

  • Anonymous

    My friend posted an interesting theory. Though I still think it was lack of neutering and her hormones. 

    “it would be more believable to think she had a stroke or seizure and the dog tried to drag her to help, got more and more panicked the longer she didn’t move. Course those ideas can never be proved because even if they knew she had a stroke they’d think it was because the dog was attacking her. Dogs that sleep in the bed with you don’t just wake up and think “I need a snack””

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Many people here have had dogs sleep in their beds (wink wink nudge nudge)

  • Anonymous

    I wonder why pit bull advocates are needed?   I wonder why they have a bad reputation?  Hmmm………………let me think, let me think…………….

    Look, I feel horrible for the woman and her family, but it has been proven time and time again that these dog can and sometimes will turn on their owners, just like any dog.  The difference is when these dogs attack, it can have devastating results.  Its like trying to feel sorry for someone who was killed by their pet tiger.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder why pit bull advocates are needed?   I wonder why they have a bad reputation?  Hmmm………………let me think, let me think…………….

    Look, I feel horrible for the woman and her family, but it has been proven time and time again that these dog can and sometimes will turn on their owners, just like any dog.  The difference is when these dogs attack, it can have devastating results.  Its like trying to feel sorry for someone who was killed by their pet tiger.

  • Anonymous

    LMAO! OMG I can’t believed I laughed at this……I’m a horrible person! Oh well!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, we’ll remember your “fuck the police” attitude when you’re being charged by a pit bull. 

  • Anonymous

    The CDC also puts out dog bite statistic. Your citing dog “bite” statistics aren’t really helpful in the end, because it’s just numbers without context. Find me a source that compares the numbers of the various breeds in homes, cause of bite, and damage caused until then it’s not meaningful. The information I look at is what the insurance companies go by. There is no business in the world, other then casinos, that pour over statistics and propability like an insurance company. They are not in the business of guessing. In that vein if they won’t insure a breed I’m gonna keep it out of my house no matter how many people share their anecdotal evidence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Because of the movie JAWS, sharks needed advocates to stop them from becoming an endangered species.  Fear can be a powerful motivator.  You only hear about large dogs attacking anyone.  When I was a kid we had a neighbor that got killed by her two poodles.  She was an elderly lady and her poodles were the nastiest animals I ever saw, very ill tempered.  She was found half eaten and the dogs were put down.  Any animal can turn on you.  Dog owners accept this possibility when they get the animal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KRJ536RHU5VPABYTKDECLIBWI4 Cindy McClure

    Thank God that this attack happened to the owner of the dogs and within the home.  Glad to see that it wasn’t somebody in an innocent circumstance.  Yet, I wonder how the owners would feel if it DID happen to someone else….would they (now just the guy) take the same stance that the “Breed is not to blame…”  ??  ARRRRGH….so sick of people saying that!

  • hookerpie

    Wow. There has to be more we are not hearing.  How sad.

    After Hooker, I will never own another pit, or any dog.  She was the best and I will always compare. Ruins any chance I have for loving another dog.  I’ll stick with my cats Pecker and Zaboo. 

  • Anonymous

    This story is natural selection at play. We are all winners, now that these two won’t be perpetuating their stupidity. 

  • Anonymous

    multiple means actually more than once..i don’t know what you were thinking and if a dog bit someone to death umm yeah i’d have pumped more than 3 in the thing and i think the hubby is making himself seem thankful the dog took his wife out..by burying the killer dogs ashes with his wife and unborn child

  • Anonymous

    sounds to me that he is relieved at not becoming a father, are they sure she didn’t have bacon grease on her or something

  • Anonymous

    you are sooo stupid

  • missvalerie

     Five years ago I was friends with a couple that had several pitbulls. They were great with children and they could take them out ewverywhere- bars, parks, concerts, etc with no problem. There was another pit in the neighborhood that just roamed loose and terrorized everyone. One day he got a hold of a cat, when their dogs jumped the fence, ripped his thoat out, and one carried the cat home in her mouth. They had to have the cats leg amputated but he’s now a happy part of their family. Fifteen years ago, I was at a girlscout camp in the country where people enjoyed dumping their dogs. There was a huge pack of pits and huskies that would attack in groups, so we had to have a lock down in our cabins while the camp director killed all of them. Even as a kid, I thought “Better them than me.”
    My point being, some pits are assholes and others are cuddlebunnies. I’ve required stiches from two min-pins and a cocker spaniel, and I don’t think aggressiveness is a breed trait (How many people call to report their chihuhua biting them?). The severity, though, is what makes it not worth the risk. A pitbull (or rott, or husky, or dobie) bites you, it’s going straight for the throat and good luck getting it off. A yorkie bites you, just go grab a band-aid.

  • Anonymous

    Are you a cop?

  • Anonymous

    Are you a cop?

  • Anonymous

    I said what I was thinking, that the cops pumped a whole round into him or something.

  • Anonymous

    I said what I was thinking, that the cops pumped a whole round into him or something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I bet hooker and pecker loved each other.

  • Anonymous

    Stories like this remind me of the point driven home by an oft-repeated Native American tale – “But you knew I was a rattlesnake when you picked me up.”

  • Anonymous

    Stories like this remind me of the point driven home by an oft-repeated Native American tale – “But you knew I was a rattlesnake when you picked me up.”

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    What is widely known is that the pit bull breed is responsible for the most human deaths. Period. That’s the entire point. 

    Who gives a shit about the dog with the worst temperament or recorded bites? All pets bite to some extent. Hamsters, ferrets, snakes…they all bite their owners. 

    Hell, cocker spaniels were the meanest fucking dogs I ever had to deal with back in my pet store days.

    But the point remains that in most cases they are biting as a defense or because they are being protective. They don’t maul you to death, or even attempt to.

    Biased or not, it doesn’t change the fact that pit bulls are responsible, in regards to breed of dogs, for the most human fatalities.

    For whatever reasons anyone wants to come up for why that is, is beside the point. 

    That is why pits have a bad rap and it has nothing to do with the media — who should be reporting when a dog, any dog, kills someone.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    What is widely known is that the pit bull breed is responsible for the most human deaths. Period. That’s the entire point. 

    Who gives a shit about the dog with the worst temperament or recorded bites? All pets bite to some extent. Hamsters, ferrets, snakes…they all bite their owners. 

    Hell, cocker spaniels were the meanest fucking dogs I ever had to deal with back in my pet store days.

    But the point remains that in most cases they are biting as a defense or because they are being protective. They don’t maul you to death, or even attempt to.

    Biased or not, it doesn’t change the fact that pit bulls are responsible, in regards to breed of dogs, for the most human fatalities.

    For whatever reasons anyone wants to come up for why that is, is beside the point. 

    That is why pits have a bad rap and it has nothing to do with the media — who should be reporting when a dog, any dog, kills someone.

  • Anonymous

    Nope, but at the end of the day, I know who I’m calling if I’m being robbed or raped or mauled by a pit bull. 

    Most of the cops where I live handle themselves as professionals, and I treat them as such (and yes, I have seen them in action from both sides of the law). The cops in this story did nothing wrong, but you are quick to jump all over their shit for no reason. 

    Haters gonna hate. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, but there’s a world of difference between those of us who accept that possibility and choose to get relatively harmless dogs, and those who get dogs that have the capability (and bred-in drive) to maul or kill someone. When you do that, you introduce an element of risk into the lives of everyone around you. So if that dog turns around and kills you, don’t expect me to sympathize. I’ll be to busy being grateful that your choices only hurt you, and not some innocent stranger.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure why people think you can breed fighting drive and ability into an animal for a century, and then expect it to lay around the house all day without a problem. These are working dogs, meant to fight. They’re not ideal pets. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I call it a conspiracy theory which alludes to the fact that even I think it is wild and outlandish. I’m just stating that it wouldn’t surprise me….However, if stupid is your thing, I could play the role. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/rachel.a.prince Rachel Ann Prince

    I’d come back from the grave and haunt my husband if he fucking buried me with the dog that killed me and our unborn child!
    I mean damn I am all for loving your pet but this just makes me mad for the wife!

  • Anonymous

    I’m not suggesting that they don’t need an advocate.  Hell even death row prisoners have advocates ;)

    Anyone who wants to own a pit bull, by all means do so.  I just believe that they should have to have a special license, special insurance, and their yard be inspected to minimize the possibility for the dog to escape, to “legally” own one.  I also believe that the dog should be micro chipped and registered.  And anyone caught with an unregistered dog should be fined and have the animal impounded and given a certain time limit to comply and their dog returned. If they don’t comply, they are still fined and the dog is put down.  Registered dogs that escape should have a 3 strike rule-caught loose more that 3 times, the dog has to be removed from the city/county.

    And I firmly believe that the owner of a pit bull or any dog should be charged with manslaughter if their dog is running loose and it kills someone.

    Its not the temperament of the dog so much as the amount of damage and injury they can inflict if they attack that makes me believe that they should be regulated. 

     

  • Anonymous

    Standard Poodles are BIG dogs, so let’s not fool people into believing that a “fluffy little poodle” by itself, or even with a little partner, could maul someone to death in a heartbeat like pits can. I know an older lady around here who has two small poodles (well, medium sized ones, not the tiny ones) and even if they somehow “went bad”, they are likely physically incapable of mauling someone to death the way a pit bull can.

  • Anonymous

    sometimes “stupid” is ok lol just kidding…i got it lol

  • hookerpie

    lmfao. They never got the chance to meet but they would have been best friends.

  • Anonymous

    I would think that that “beware of dog”sign they had up on their property would be a sign of *something*.  Our neighbors finally had to put up a “beware of dog” sign in their apartment window because their ill-mannered (nasty bitch she is) Weimaraner is always barking at the window and barked so hard once at me and my dogs outside, the damned thing smashed her nose up against the glass and smashed it.

  • Anonymous

    I would think that that “beware of dog”sign they had up on their property would be a sign of *something*.  Our neighbors finally had to put up a “beware of dog” sign in their apartment window because their ill-mannered (nasty bitch she is) Weimaraner is always barking at the window and barked so hard once at me and my dogs outside, the damned thing smashed her nose up against the glass and smashed it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nikki-Shablesky/100000020974811 Nikki Shablesky

    If my dogs ever hurt anybody they would be put down immediately. That being said, I have had two pits both female, both spayed. I have never had a problem with either of them. They are bred to not be aggressive towards people. When they are it is usually an irresponsible owner. They are no more dangerous than any other dog.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I agree that they have the worst outcome from their attacks.  But what do you expect from something that big?  I also believe that more idiots own these dogs than other breeds.  Couple this with morons who train dogs for fighting purposes and you will get death statistics that can be shocking.  This doesn’t convince me that it is the breed’s fault, if anything it is our own stupid influence on them that is to blame.  I’m against the media sensationalizing their view point on pits.  And yes they should report all dog/human kills but unfortunately they don’t.  They want the breed to be banned.  I’ve personally seen some of the nicest dogs come from the pit breed.  Thanks for your opinion on this Morbid, and cocker spaniels used to chase kids through the neighborhood when I was younger.  I think they might have a Napoleon complex.

  • Anonymous

    Labs are still BIG dogs, and how old was that child now?  Oh, that’s right…it was TWO MONTHS OLD.  And UNSUPERVISED, the both of them.  That’s not the dog’s or the dog’s breed’s fault, that’s the stupid fucking parents’ fault for not watching their puppy and baby.  And to be even more fair against your idiotic sentiment, a two month old baby could be eaten by ANY creature larger and with more teeth than it, though it’s doubtful that a chihuahua would go after a baby unless it was bathed in meat sauce.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not fucking true, especially canine advocates around here who are ALWAYS adamant about getting your dogs neutered.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I agree 100%.  The cause and effect is always better if limited to just the one that wanted to assume the risk.  I put any harm that comes to innocent bystanders on the owner’s shoulders. I wouldn’t expect anyone to sympathize with the consequences of my actions.  Responsible owners accept all of that when they make the decision to get an animal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I am not disillusioned by the size an power of these dogs compared to other breeds.  Any animal is still an animal though.  Animals are unpredictable at best.  A fallen old lady can become prey to rats eating her face off if she can’t or is unable to fend them off.  A scenario that is less likely to occur, granted.  As humans we are vulnerable to fits of hysteria and mob mentalities.  Each animal has it’s own dangers.  Being aware of them can mean the difference in having a “big teddy bear” animal and a “viscous little fucker”.  Any animal, any time, under the right circumstances.  Doesn’t mean you have to fear everyone of them just have the knowledge to be cautious.

  • Anonymous

    Bite frequency =/= mauling frequency, plus size matters.  It’s massive distinction that most dog advocates that I know tend to skirt away from or pretend that it doesn’t exist.

    I am a huge companion animal advocate (of the Stilwell school), but even Stilwell has skirted the issue (but from what she DOESN’T say, I can tell that she comprehends the genetic propensity for pits to be more aggressive).

    My little chihuahua here could go nuts on me and attack me one day, but I could just defend myself by punting him across the room.  You can’t do that with a pit, or a pair of pits.  It’s the level of damage that pits and bigger dogs than pits (dals, rotts, huskies, what have you…I think there was a recent item, perhaps local, about hoe a pair of Bernese Mountain dogs attacked, and those are BIG dogs) that should be of concern to people, not the bite frequency or supposed temperaments.  You could have a perfectly calm and never bitey chihuahua but you could also have a crazy bitch of Husky, too. 

  • Anonymous

    “Larger dogs are dumber and more docile.”

    Shut the fuck up, really.  Just…shut the fuck up already.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Listen little “man”.  Face to face I’d the beat the respect into you.  If I want your opinion I’ll rattle your cage.  Till then keep you fucking comments to yourself.  Piss ant. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Listen little “man”.  Face to face I’d the beat the respect into you.  If I want your opinion I’ll rattle your cage.  Till then keep you fucking comments to yourself.  Piss ant. 

  • Anonymous

    “Wolf breeds of dogs have killed their beloved owner simply because she wasn’t acting like the leader of the pack anymore and she let her guard down in how to show who’s boss, so–they killed her ass.”

    Uh…no.  I can tell you for certain that the wolf “breed” of dogs don’t kill humans because the human wasn’t behaving like the leader of the pack.  That’s such horseshit, because humans are never  “pack leaders” (because we’re HUMAN and the canines recognize this).  And because that’s not even how the “hierarchy” works in nature anyway.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtFgdwTsbU

  • Anonymous

    “Wolf breeds of dogs have killed their beloved owner simply because she wasn’t acting like the leader of the pack anymore and she let her guard down in how to show who’s boss, so–they killed her ass.”

    Uh…no.  I can tell you for certain that the wolf “breed” of dogs don’t kill humans because the human wasn’t behaving like the leader of the pack.  That’s such horseshit, because humans are never  “pack leaders” (because we’re HUMAN and the canines recognize this).  And because that’s not even how the “hierarchy” works in nature anyway.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtFgdwTsbU

  • Anonymous

    “.I currently have a male schnauzer and he does NOT like to be corrected.  He will stare you down and growl when reprimanded but you can just tell in the mannerism if he is willing to take it a step further or not.  He actually droops his ears and his tag slowly wags (I read that as submission). ”
    What the everloving fuck is with DD “dog lovers” and their insatiable need to dominate and issue “corrections” with their dogs?  Are you fucking serious?  That you cannot train a dog without issuing corrections or listening to that fucking RETARD Cesar Millan (or worse, Brad Pattison or Ami Moore)?

    I have NEVER used +P while training/fostering.  One doesn’t need to when +R/-P works just fine.

    And of course your dog doesn’t like to be corrected.  What dog DOES?

  • Anonymous

    “.I currently have a male schnauzer and he does NOT like to be corrected.  He will stare you down and growl when reprimanded but you can just tell in the mannerism if he is willing to take it a step further or not.  He actually droops his ears and his tag slowly wags (I read that as submission). ”
    What the everloving fuck is with DD “dog lovers” and their insatiable need to dominate and issue “corrections” with their dogs?  Are you fucking serious?  That you cannot train a dog without issuing corrections or listening to that fucking RETARD Cesar Millan (or worse, Brad Pattison or Ami Moore)?

    I have NEVER used +P while training/fostering.  One doesn’t need to when +R/-P works just fine.

    And of course your dog doesn’t like to be corrected.  What dog DOES?

  • LeaveMeBe

    So they determined the cause of death was from the poodles mauling her? Or did the poodles just snack on her after her death? See, if she had died and they had no food or anything, I can totally see them muching on her, they’re animals.

  • Anonymous

    Why haven’t you stopped talking?  Why?

    Every time you open your mouth something stupid falls out, and you’re only showing how LITTLE you know about dogs.

    Pit bulls, REAL “pit bulls” aren’t even as big as Dalmations or Rotts or even GSDs.  So it’s not that it’s “something that big”, it’s that they’re extremely muscular (the well-bred ones are, at least).  Why, because they were bred to be that way.  Only in its cross-breeding with Mastiffs has some of them “grown” to a larger size, but in that case, they’re not really pits, they’re pit/Mastiff mutts.  The one I had to care for was HUGE…its head was the size of your standard Halloween pumpkin, and he was a cross/mutt.  A lot of the larger dogs that get “accused” of being pit bulls are actually mutts like that (crossed with Mastiffs or something else…Labs, Boxers usually).  APBTs just aren’t THAT big of a dog.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EFHX7YJV7E75CMXRU3INLQ7ABY Todd

    Pits aren’t THAT big.  They do have extremely powerful jaws, but there are other dogs that have the ability to kill, but not do not so as frequently.  Rotts, mastiffs, dobermans, german sheppards, st bernards probably all have the physical ability to snuff someone out, especially an elderly owner, but you just don’t see it often.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Define good cause. We as people may not believe a dog had good cause but the dog might think it had good cause. So who decides?

  • Anonymous

    I think my biggest question is, if they raised this guy from a pup, WHY was he not neutered?  Bad Rap is supposed to encourage speutering, so what the fuck happened here?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Seriously, if I wanted shit from you I would squeeze your head.  I really don’t care for your opinion or anything you have to say because you are a disrespectful little HousePussy.  Come back when you can act like a grown woman instead of the little girl you are acting like now.

  • LeaveMeBe

    Hey Michael? You’ve been here long enough to know that opinions are what you get around here, asked for or not. It’s part of the DD MO. You know this just as you know you lose credibility when you start name calling and threatening other members. I don’t always agree with you but I think you’ve offered up some great comments and thoughts I really like, too. Chillax.

  • LeaveMeBe

    BFD of he drinks. How the hell does he hold a cigar in his PAW?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Trying to relax, things were going well until this butt burglar showed up.  I have admitted that if you start some shit with me I can be viscous.  Thank you though, this helps.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    They determined that the cause of death was from poodle bites, the dogs were euthanized after the coroner’s report.  However, I have heard of dogs doing exactly what you described, eating a human that was dead because there was no food for them.

  • Anonymous

    A six week old lab is not that big. And yes its the parents fault, you never leave a child alone with any type of animal, I was pointing out the fact that it was a breed that’s not known for attacks much less beingg a pup and killing a baby. All animals are capable of this.

  • Anonymous

    Funny cause out of any dog that was specifically breed to kill, its the Doberman, they are German breed dogs that were specifically breed for the purpose of use by nazis, they would run them under the tunnels to kill and Jews that were hiding. I’ve owned 2 Dobermans and 3 pits. Know which breed I had the problems with? The dobie, they are amazingly smart, easy to train but we noticed that they don’t like children that are eye level with them. We got rid of them because we didn’t want any children in the neighborhood to be in danger if they ever got loose. I’ve known other people who have had the same problem.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Sosa/100001993493220 Chris Sosa

    I had a “real” Pit Bull for 12 years. He was pure bred and Show quality. He was 110 lbs of pure muscle. He had a massive head and mouth and was taller and bigger than any other pit I’ve seen since. He was a gentle dog by nature smart and calm. He did get into a fight with a dog who’s owner in fear of the size of my dog commanded her Akita to “Kill”. In her fear her dog attacked and in self defense my dog ripped a chunk of it’s neck. Nothing happened after that and there was never a future incidents. I’m sure there are all kinds of cute little dogs that anyone could choose to have as a pet but how many of them serve as guard dogs or make you feel safe. It’s a shame that people got hurt but I agree it’s risk you take when you own a large animal. I loved my dog but if he’d ever bitten me I’d have looked him in the eyes while I strangled the life out him until his tongue flopped out of his mouth. Shit happens.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Sosa/100001993493220 Chris Sosa

    also just to add. My pit wasn’t neutered either.

  • Anonymous

    Animal intelligance is such a grey area right now I don’t think we can say what is going on in any animals head when they do things. After all the theory that certain animals have a sense of fairness and an idea vengeance is certainly gaining acceptance. Google Cape Buffalo and vengeance and alot of evidence suggests to me that anmials might be capable of something skirting the edges of murder. And, if we know that some animals are self aware, such as elephants and dolphins, then can we be entirely sure that they don’t have an idea of what they are cabable of doing? I do know that we just don’t know one way or another.    

  • Anonymous

    Oh hell, flashbacks, the meanest nastiest dog I ever met was a cocker. He apparently had a genetic breed defect that caused cocker rage syndrome, he would go into a fugue state and attack anything near and the only safe thing to do was go hide in a bedroom until he came back to himself. I have never been afraid of a dog like that one.

  • Anonymous

    OK I’m done. But I’m still drinking the haterade.

  • Anonymous

    So this suggests that in case of an emergency, pit bulls are not good dogs to own? 

    Owner:  I think I’m dying.  Get help.
    Dog:  I think I’m having lunch now.  *chomp*

  • LeaveMeBe

    You’re welcome.

  • Anonymous

    I’m pretty sure it would be like that …. without the malicious intent lol. 

    Owner: Oh no seizure!
    Dog: Let me get you to safety …. with my super sharp teeth. oh shit I wish I had thumbs!

  • Anonymous

    This is perfectly awful, and although I can’t understand Greg’s forgiveness for the killer dog, I can understand wanting to hold onto the other one. What else is left? Personally, the only only pitbull I like is of the grinning evil winged variety.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I’m sure my min-pin could kill me if he got it into his head to rip my throat out while I was sleeping or something. But no one will be like “That girl got a vicious 15-pound dog, she knew what she was getting into!”

    On the other hand, pit bulls are probably easier to housebreak.

  • Anonymous

    First off, collies aren’t little and there’s no way they bite that much. Whoever wrote that has collies confused with something else, maybe border collies, but it makes all the statistics suspicious and probably bullshit.

  • wyrosjr

    Stereotypes do serve a valuable purpose. It is thought by some researchers that we are innately tuned to create groups and categories in our heads and that often this helps us to assign a threat level or otherwise maintain our survival. While it is probably true that many of these stereotypes are overblown, they didn’t come about for no reason at all. Ignore them at your own risk.

  • wyrosjr

    As an alternate solution, we could just say landowners have every right to destroy trespassing animals. That places the burden on the owner of the animal and maintains the rights of citizens. This wouldn’t absolve owners of responsibility in cases where they harm others or property.

    Most farmers around here already practice this.

  • Anonymous

    My stepmom has a never-bitey Chihuahua, so I can vouch that they exist. She never even socialized him, he’s just a generally good little dog. Yappy? Definitely. But not a biter.

  • wyrosjr

    People decide. Always.

  • wyrosjr

    Common sense by allegory. We should be teaching more common sense.

  • wyrosjr

    You should beware, you are like the holy grail for a troll.

  • wyrosjr

    Maybe you should get the perspective of law enforcement before you judge them. Many of them have been attacked while on duty. Shooting the dog multiple times is worse than shooting it once? Because making an animal suffer is far better?

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Emeraldstar sadly I kind of feel you about your feelings towards the police. I’m from a place where they never show up if you need them and many are corrupt as hell, so I have very little love.

    I’ll have an NWA moment with you.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks I appreciate it, we go tomorrow for a post op visit and for some tests on my 5 year old son, they have found a tumor in his brain. They are not lying when they say when it rains it pours!

  • http://www.facebook.com/shannah.guillory Shannah Erwin Guillory

    Did anyone say they have an insatiable need to dominate and issue corrections?  Get your facts straight, John.  I specifically stated that I was providing my opinion and what has worked for me.  My dog respects and trusts me, therefore he obeys.  So if your dog barks & growls at a visitor or family member do you offer it a treat and some positive reinforcement so that you don’t damage his psyche?  Dogs are not quite as dumb as you imply when it comes to correction.  Mine is very aware of what he does wrong.  And he doesn’t cower in a corner shaking like a basket case when I speak firmly to him.  He’s actually a pretty good dog and I rarely have to correct him so I guess you won’t be needed for your rehabilitation efforts.  I assure you that he doesn’t butter up to me so that I won’t beat him into submission….
    Consider this:  you may not be the ONLY authority on training a dog….I’d love to watch you try to rehabilitate my dog only to discover that perhaps your tactics may not be the epitome of perfection.  
    Anyway, please lose the attititude and realize that you are not the “Doggy Diety”….
    You can respectfully disagree without being a jerk.  And if you believe positive reinforcement works on animals, why don’t you try it on people once in awhile?  Just sayin’…

  • http://www.facebook.com/shannah.guillory Shannah Erwin Guillory

    Something about pitbulls and idiots…they do seem to attract each other!  I’ve seen more cases of abuse and neglect due to morons who try to raise them to fight or just to “have them” as a symbol of status among other idiot peers.  Most of the time, the poor animal ends up chained to a tree or kept in a cage…devoid of any form of human bonding or nurturing.  I can fully see a dog raised under those circumstances attacking people on a fairly continual basis.  

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    Oh wow, I can’t imagine the worry that you are going through. (((hugs)))

  • http://www.facebook.com/shannah.guillory Shannah Erwin Guillory

    Agreed, Chris!

  • Anonymous

    They released the other pit Tazi back to Greg today.

  • Parrot Toes

    I’m liking you.  Just sayin’…….

  • Parrot Toes

    Well, perhaps the husband will get remarried and the new wifey gets preggo.  Then Tazi can apply what she’s learned.

    I’m all for the dog being released if it’s not the one that “snapped”, but perhaps to a different owner would be a better idea……

  • Anonymous

    I don’t blame the police at all…If a dog just finished mauling somebody to death, I don’t care if he’s gently tiptoeing through the tulips to get to me, I’d fill him full of as many bullets as were in the gun. While the dog may not have been charging, the fact is, those dogs are lightning fast when they decide to attack, and it can often take more than one or two bullets to take them down. Any officer dealing with a vicious dog approaching him should take it down immediately, ESPECIALLY if the dog is moving slow…since that may well mean the dog is stalking and preparing to attack. 

  • Anonymous

    This is a blog entry on the case by Trish King, director of behavior, at Marin Humane Society:
    http://blogs.marinij.com/marinpets/2011/08/marin-humane-societys-trish-king-reflects-on-the-pacifica-dog-attack-tragedy.html
    There are too many questions at this point, imo, to be able to address the whys. I have worked with, lived with, rescued, trained, fostered dogs for years, so my views are probably a lot different than say your average person who may like dogs but not be completely immersed in them all of the time. My feeling is that it is pretty irrational to declare an entire breed unsafe or aggressive due to a small percentage of the breed attacking human beings. Here on DD we see way more humans causing harm to other humans and even to dogs, than dogs harming humans.
    When Scott Peterson killed his wife and unborn child, we did not declare husbands ticking time bombs, and say that married males cannot be trusted and are bound to turn on their wives. We recognized it as a tragic, horrific, isolated incident, caused by a sociopath. This reflected on the individual, not half of the human race. It seems to me, that we should be able to apply this same logic to dogs, including pit bulls.

  • Anonymous

    One of the most dangerous dogs I have ever worked with was an “dominant aggressive” (diagnosed by a veterinary behaviorist) yellow labrador. He was truly frightening. He would give a cold stare with a closed mouth and freeze if you did anything that he didn’t like (such as try to help him in the car for example, or try to take a roll of athletic socks from him so he wouldn’t swallow them whole). The next step would be a growl and after that a bite if you weren’t careful.

  • Anonymous

    Pit Bulls were trained to fight dogs, but used to be culled for showing any aggression to humans. Traditionally they were, and many of them still are wonderful pets, especially with people. I am boarding a pit mix as we speak and she is one of the most even tempered dogs that I have ever worked with. Completely appropriate with my dogs and cats, and affectionate and sweet with my daughter and myself.
    Of course now, there are pretty unsavory people selectively breeding some of them specifically for aggression to humans and that is something to consider in this case.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for posting that!

  • Anonymous

    One of the theories circulating is that the dog was being corrected prior to the attack and that is what may have triggered it. Of course this is just speculation, but it makes sense given the popularity of the Dog Whisperer and the return of “Pack Theory”.
    My favorite article on the topic is the following:
    http://www.4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm
    And just as the article states, bring your arguments after you read the suggested works.

  • http://infowars.com Domino

    WELL. this is a thread i’m sorry i missed. but tbh i can’t stand the fucking dogs, better yet can’t stand the types that are attracted to them.

    and the fact this dreamer said something like he forgives his dog, and is trying to get the other one back, leads me to question how “responsible” were these owners in the first place.

  • http://infowars.com Domino

    i’d rather have a loaded gun for protection. at least then i could control when it went off.

  • Sick and tired

    The problem being when a pit does attack, its bite is devastating.  They far and away kill and maul more people than any other dog.  Bite? OK maybe not, but I’d much rather take the bite of a labrador (total US fatalities in past 10 years = 2) to a Pit (total US fatal attacks in last 10 years 600+).  Hey, I have friends with pits, I know them, love them, it would however, be a cold day in hell before I ever owned one. There’s a reason we don’t read about Dobies and Shepherds killing their owners.  It really doesn’t happen.  This woman isn’t even the only case this week.  There is a guy in Arizona who is fighting for his life…has had both arms amputated and was attacked by his own dog.  A few weeks ago here in San Diego, a woman mauled by her neighbors dogs lost both legs and one arm.  Doubt their neighbors homeowners insurance can get her arm and legs back for her. I was at the pound two weeks ago looking for a dog and family with two small children chose a pit bull.  They had him in the waiting area and were filling out the adoption papers when I was filling out the adoption papers for my dog.  After a few minutes, the family brought the paper back and told them they had changed their minds, the dog had tried to bite their kid.  Tragedy averted, I think.

  • Sick and tired

    Yeah, I know that, and I think that they USED to be a lot less aggressive.  It’s people breeding them for looks and fighting ability only that have put probably hundreds of thousands of dogs out there.  I know at the pound at least half of the dogs there are pits or pit mixes.  Gang members look badass with their pit bull.  I live in a neighborhood that has LOTS of them, and I have come to the conclusion that they are often owned by young men who feel impotent in life and want to show the world how tough they are.  These same people are breeding them for fighting  and I swear they give them steroids, because I’ve seen some insanely muscled dogs. Dogs that just don’t look normal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Thanks, I’m noticing that.

  • Sick and tired

    They have a system in place like this in England.  Breeds deemed dangerous are banned unless you have a special license to own one.  Even with this provision, and the relatively few numbers of these animals in the UK, children still get killed by them every now and then.  I don’ ever remember hearing about any adults getting killed in the UK by dogs.  I DO remember a woman in LA quite a few years ago who had three rotties trained to attack and protect her (she was in a wheelchair).  But in the end they ate her instead.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Exactly, most of the recent cases in Atlanta about roaming packs of dogs attacking people can be traced to dog fighters.  We aren’t the best influence at times.

  • Sick and tired

    A poodle probably could kill an adult if it tried hard.  But I don’t think one ever has.  dogsbite dot com has breed specific statistics for maulings and killings back to 1996.  Almost every breed has killed someone…  when the other breeds kill, often its because they have been abandoned and joined together in a pack and have reverted and are hunting in a pack.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    Bravo, well said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I’m liking you liking me.  ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I’m liking you liking me.  ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I’m liking you liking me.  ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=736546181 Michael Heldman

    I’m liking you liking me.  ;)

  • Sick and tired

    Lady, you’re crazy (oh yeah, you have four cats).  I’m love my dogs like they are family too, but I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS bury my spouse and child with their murderer. Go ahead even and forgive the dog (I wouldn’t, its dead anyway) but BURY IT WITH MY SPOUSE AND UNBORN CHILD? Come on! 

  • Sick and tired

    Lady, you’re crazy (oh yeah, you have four cats).  I’m love my dogs like they are family too, but I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS bury my spouse and child with their murderer. Go ahead even and forgive the dog (I wouldn’t, its dead anyway) but BURY IT WITH MY SPOUSE AND UNBORN CHILD? Come on! 

  • Sick and tired

    Hey I’m in California, we DO have a society here and the world’s fifth largest economy… maybe you’re talking about NORTHER California?  :))

  • Sick and tired

    Hey I’m in California, we DO have a society here and the world’s fifth largest economy… maybe you’re talking about NORTHER California?  :))

  • Sick and tired

    Thats why I put the website up. Go to the pages on statistics if you want context.  It’s very clear in a document the hard numbers of killing and maullings by breed for the past 13 years or so.

  • Sick and tired

    Thats why I put the website up. Go to the pages on statistics if you want context.  It’s very clear in a document the hard numbers of killing and maullings by breed for the past 13 years or so.

  • Sick and tired

    My friends too have a super cuddly wanna lotta love chihuahua.  Chihuahuas, like pit bulls have been terribly overbred the past 15 years.  Most of the dogs in the San Diego southern shelter are either one or the other breed.  My new dog I just got from the pound is half chihuahua half maltese.  She is a sweetheart.

  • Sick and tired

    One of the studies cited is from the CDC.  It’s old information though. I’ll give you that.  But what, they were skewing the numbers?  It’s relatively easy to count the numbers of deaths and maulings and add them up.  I KNOW that 99.5% of all pits don’t and won’t ever attack.  The issue here is that when they do attack, they’ve been engineered to kill.  

  • Sick and tired

    You are SO wrong.  Dogs especially like to kill things.  Or please explain the day I came home to my flock ducks dead but not eaten in my back yard.  You are one of those people that thinks that humans are above animals. HUMANS ARE ANIMALS TOO.  It the animal in us, not the humanity that makes us murderers.  It’s the primal instincts, not the civility. Wake up to yourself woman.

  • Sick and tired

    The animal brain is surprisingly similar to the human brain.  It’s why we use rats and mice in  brain research.  There are small differences, but the basic mechanisms and types of neurotransmitters are the same.  All animals kill and some kill for the pleasure of it.  Talk to me about the cat that toys with the bird or mouse for half an hour before killing it isn’t doing so out of fun.

  • Sick and tired

    Have you ever owned a cat? Why do they kill birds they don’t eat?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1415881786 Tori Sheffer

    we once took in a stray kitty..i mean come on it was just a cat…until that twitt went loco … she had us running around lookin for cover….actually called 911..it was sunday so animal control was null…we locked her outside…and the lil bitch left a 9ile of doo doo at the front door when they came to get her..THIS WAS A CAT….WE GOT RID OF HER ASA9 …AND THIS DUDE WANTS TO KEE9 THIS BREED AROUND….UHM YEAH …DUDE…. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT…after my kid was attacked by my friends 2 pits…she kept them but the lil monsters got loose a week later…cant say i wasnt happy!! im sure they where put down when caught!

  • Sick and tired

    They shouldn’t fear you. They should respect you and respect doesn’t come from fear.  Grow some balls and take control.

  • Sick and tired

    They shouldn’t fear you. They should respect you and respect doesn’t come from fear.  Grow some balls and take control.

  • Sick and tired

    They shouldn’t fear you. They should respect you and respect doesn’t come from fear.  Grow some balls and take control.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1415881786 Tori Sheffer

    IT BECOMES A SICK DARK COMEDY WHEN FOLKS CONTINUE TO MAKE Up EXCUSES FOR EVIL…BE IT HUMAN OR ANIMAL….but especially ANIMAL!

  • Sick and tired

    I think they took it so they could take bite imprints.  They are now probably going to see if it’s a well socialized dog before returning it.  I actually don’t have any problem with them returning the other dog.  It wasn’t involved in the mauling, and in fact was found in the corner cowering.  If it didn’t join in the attack, I would say it’s probably a good bet she’s not ever going to attack anyone….and I’m not a pit hater, I’m a “you’re taking a huge risk for having one in your home”er… but I think the same thing about guns. :))

  • Sick and tired

    I think they took it so they could take bite imprints.  They are now probably going to see if it’s a well socialized dog before returning it.  I actually don’t have any problem with them returning the other dog.  It wasn’t involved in the mauling, and in fact was found in the corner cowering.  If it didn’t join in the attack, I would say it’s probably a good bet she’s not ever going to attack anyone….and I’m not a pit hater, I’m a “you’re taking a huge risk for having one in your home”er… but I think the same thing about guns. :))

  • Sick and tired

    Back in the 70’s cocker spaniels were the most popular dog in America and they caused the most dog bites.  For a while in the 80’s Labradors topped the list.  The problem with pits is that when they attack, its to the death.  It’s not just a nasty bite and trip to the hospital.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SZTEOIXOLRM5M2VDKZHSZICFDA CDJ527

    Oh yeah, the crazy cat lady tactic…real original.  I gave my opinion, and you gave yours, only you had to be a jackass about it.  Would have been great if you actually contributed to the conversation, but ah well, can’t expect much from jack asses huh?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SZTEOIXOLRM5M2VDKZHSZICFDA CDJ527

    Yes, I WOULD forgive the dog.  As someone who had a family friend murdered, and my husband stabbed, and FORGAVE those people, yes, I can say I would forgive them.  You don’t know me, just like I don’t know you.  I would NEVER own a Pitbull because in my opinion they are just too dangerous a breed, a breed that needs special training and care that I wouldn’t be able to provide.  As an educated pet owner, I know this.  So yeah, your comment about me being just as dangerous is asinine.  I’m a caring person with a heart willing to forgive, but don’t get me wrong.  I’ll kick someones ass in a heartbeat.  And just like you, they can decide whether to forgive.  Opinions are just that, I gave my opinion, so yeah, your side note and you can kiss my ass. 

  • Anonymous

    More likely that if there were a stroke or seizure, it may have triggered predatory drift (which is an instinct that occurs when something or someone in the environment is acting “prey-like”, and dogs can react to that by attacking). Fyi, my good friend and mentor (a dog trainer/behaviorist) used to work at Guide Dogs for the Blind. There were many loose dogs in an exercise area. One of the dogs tripped over a hose and yelped and within 3 seconds found itself under a pile of frenzied guide dog labradors.

  • Anonymous

    Fortunately, this comment is an emotional one and not a realistic prediction. Individual dogs have individual temperaments (just like humans, parrots, etc.). I am here in the Bay Area and have been following this case closely. Apparently Tazi was crouched in a corner in another room where she had urinated and defecated out of fear. Many times when there are more than one dog present during an attack, the second dog gets aroused (not that kind) and “packs up” with the attacking dog. This was not the case with Tazi. My heart really goes out to that animal and the husband. She is no more likely to go out and “apply what she learned” than an unwilling witness to a violent crime- that a family member commits- would be. And why should she need to be rehomed? Neither she, nor the husband had anything to do with this tragedy.

  • Anonymous

    It is my understanding that Gunner is having a necropsy done. And the failed to protect her master comment… if you have any free time and would like to learn about dog behavior and our unrealistic expectations of them, I highly recommend Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson. It was the first book I read, by assignment when I began to work professionally with dogs, and it is a very easy read.

  • Anonymous

    Well, yes and no. Some dogs should not be physically disciplined, period. Most problems can be prevented by training and proper management. Just like you wouldn’t raise your toddler in a home that wasn’t babyproofed and then punish the baby for opening cabinets and putting fingers near electric sockets. Well, maybe that is not a good example as plenty of people probably do that, but it would be so much smarter to set the environment up so that the child can succeed instead of fail. 

  • Anonymous

    You can kiss my ass? No thank you, my doors only swing one way.The reason I said what I said about forgiveness is this.Too many storys of woman forgiven the pedophile husband/ boyfriend or a murderer only to let these people back into their lives and their childrens to do more harm.Actual forgiveness is a two way street not a oneway street It also does not include clear stupidity.Hence my reason for stating why I would think someone who thinks like this  is as dangerous as the pitbull. Let me guess, the  bible told you so.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, but no thanks.I personally would not want the dog back as a constant reminder.But hey, thats just me. I stand by my earlier comments

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, I was feeling kind of shit on.

  • Parrot Toes

    Yeah, I was just being facetious about the “snapping” on the new wife part.  Sorry it didn’t come off that way for ya. 

    As for the dog going back to its’ owner, I stand by my comment, especially for a pit bull.  I don’t know any thing more than what I’ve read here about the care and treatment that these dogs received in this home, but I do believe that pit bulls especially need an owner that knows EXACTLY what they are doing and doing it right so that this type of situation doesn’t happen.  So now, a woman and her unborn child are dead because another pit bull snapped.  That tells me that perhaps returning the non-offending pit back to the husband is not a wise move.  Yeah, he may love the dog and be treating it nicely, but it’s obviously not working for him.

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  • Anonymous

    Burying the dogs ashes with the woman/mother does seem very “strange” to me as well. Wasnt it enough he killed them?

  • Anonymous

    I have yorkies and they will only nip you when excited while playing but neither have ever even broken the skin.I also have 2 Australian Shepard/cocker mixed dogs that are about 30 lbs they have never bitten me for any reason and play very well with my 3lb and 5lb full grown yorkies

  • Anonymous

    I have yorkies and they will only nip you when excited while playing but neither have ever even broken the skin.I also have 2 Australian Shepard/cocker mixed dogs that are about 30 lbs they have never bitten me for any reason and play very well with my 3lb and 5lb full grown yorkies

  • Anonymous

    Oh that was a good one

  • Anonymous

    Oh that was a good one

  • Anonymous

    I hadnt given that much thought but you are right I have never heard of a case of any other breed actually killing a human. I am sure it has happened but the pit is well known for killing and dismembering.Here on DD I have read where several pits have killed babies in car seats or what have you that are no threat to the pits at all in any kind of way

  • missvalerie

    Oh, well I guess that means that Yorkies, as a breed, never bite anyone! Good to know. It seems that you missed my point completely. You can’t point to one dog as an example of the breed. If that was so, then my story about my friends’ pits would mean that all pits are great with children and small animals. Just because your dogs are well trained and socialized doesn’t mean that all dogs of those breeds are inherently nice.

  • Anonymous

    Yes its down right demanded.They won’t let you get a dog from the pound without it being spayed or neutered.Not sure what planet, I mean state estebanito comes from.

  • Anonymous

    Here is the Association of Pet Dog Trainers’ position on breed specific legislation:

    http://www.apdt.com/about/ps/breed_specific_legis.aspx

    My favorite quote: “Singling out and publicly demonizing certain breeds as dangerous is
    unfair, discriminatory, and does an immense disservice to those breeds
    and the people who care about them.  Even more chilling, breed
    specific legislation encourages the faulty public perception of other
    breeds as being inherently safe.  This can lead misguided individuals
    to engage in unsafe conduct with other breeds that can result in injury
    or death by individual representatives of those breeds mistakenly
    perceived as safe.”

  • Anonymous

    It sounds like predatory aggression if the babies were in car seats and not a threat. Terriers in general tend to be predatory and a baby crying can sound like prey. I have heard of many other breeds attacking babies. When I was in L.A. a little over 10 years ago, a Pomeranian mix killed a baby.

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  • Anonymous

    This message brought to you by black people who love fried chicken. :-p

  • Anonymous

    Some people put up ‘Beware of Dogs’ signs as a security measure.

  • Anonymous

    BS they were culled for aggression to humans! You really think men who bred dogs with the specific intention of watching them rip each other to shreds were the kind of responsible breeders who would cull a strong, driven animal (I.e. A good fighting dog) because it was aggressive to people? You are kind of gullible, sorry.

  • Anonymous

    I believe *anyone* who chooses a dog from the one breed with the well-earned reputation for killing and mauling humans is an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    I would have shot it multiple times myself just to make sure it was dead.  I’m sure it was a wonderful pet right up to the fatal attack.  Large dogs are all potentially dangererous.  I will never own a dog large enough to kill me or my tiny grandchild.  I have two chihuahuas.  They would have a hard time killilng anything.  I don’t need a dog for protection, I have guns!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blair-Krueger/613247322 Blair Krueger

    I agree that the owner of any dog which runs loose and kills or hurts someone should face serious legal consequences.

    I agree that pit bulls, and any other breed of dog, can be dangerous.

    However, BSLs have been proven ineffective and costly. I’m not a
    bleeding heart, blind to everything but an irrational love for a breed
    raving moron, though I will admit I have run into plenty of those among
    the pit bull advocate crowd.

    Facts are facts. All dogs bite, all large breeds can, and do, kill.

    Here are reputable studies, with parameters, demographics, documentation, etc:

    http://www.canineadvocatesofohio.org/Reputable%20Studies/Reputable_Studies.htm

    I do own an American Pit Bull Terrier. The neighbor kids always want to
    play with him..while they are terrified of another dog in the building,
    which as bit one of them .. a lab/chow-chow mix.

    Ownership of any animal requires responsibility. The amount of vigilance
    and responsibility increase proportionately with the size and strength
    of the animal in question. I have trained and socialized my dog
    properly. I do not let him run free in the neighborhood. If he’s outside
    of my home he’s on a leash. When I do let the neighbor kids play with
    him I am there, and he is on his leash, which stays in my control. Why?
    Because while I love my dog, and do advocate for the breed, I know he is
    not a ‘four legged person.’ He is an animal first, a dog second, a pit
    bull third, and a pet fourth. Owners, especially of powerful breeds,
    need to understand this and act accordingly, because no matter how much
    you love your dog, how well behaved it is, it IS an animal, and may
    someday react as animals react. Dogs need exercise, food, rules and
    boundaries, and affection, in that order.

    That all being said, even if you live with five pit bull type dogs, you
    are still exponentially more likely to be killed by parents, siblings,
    lovers, friends, or children. No animal will ever be as dangerous,
    unpredictable, or prone to violence as the human being. Should we then
    outlaw parents, siblings, lovers, children, and friends?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blair-Krueger/613247322 Blair Krueger

    I’ve encountered some intelligent, kind, compassionate, entertaining, thoughtful, down to earth individuals among the bully breed advocates.

    Unfortunately I’ve also come across a down right disheartening number of idiots, morons, sophomoric rhetoric spouters, and down right malingenic, brutal, knuckle dragging fuckheads.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blair-Krueger/613247322 Blair Krueger

    776 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm in 2002

    vs 4 pit bull caused human fatalities in the same year.

    You shore are smurt!

  • http://www.facebook.com/karin.sims Karin Sims

     I was wondering if Dobermans were going to be brought up. My grandma had a black and a red one, Satan and Reba. Never had a problem with either…but ya never know. None of the kids tried to jump on their backs to ride them either. I like cats way better than dogs anyways :)

  • Anonymous

    I quote: “I’m against the media sensationalizing their view point on pits.  And
    yes they should report all dog/human kills but unfortunately they don’t.”

    Where is your proof of this? That is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

  • Anonymous

    My husband is unlikely to start roaming the neighborhood mauling other people. If he mauls me, well, hey, I picked him. But if I choose poorly, I am only risking my own safety. Your mauling-capable dog introduces an element of risk into the lives of your neighbors, and while I don’t support BSL, I do support pointing out that this makes you a rather self-centered neighbor.

    I appreciate that you sound like a very responsible dog owner, but that doesn’t change the fact that a Pit Bull is an unpredictable weapon.

    And your neighbor dog that’s already bitten someone should be put down. Chows are evil anyway.

  • Anonymous

    I didnt miss your point I just do not care

  • Anonymous

    you seem to have a lot of “friends” with vicious pets

  • http://twitter.com/AngelsMom0806 Angels Mom

    And watermelon. ;-)

  • wyrosjr
  • Anonymous

    Have any of you seen the BAD RAP blog? Pretty good…
    http://badrap-blog.blogspot.com/2011/08/reflections-on-case-in-pacifica-ca.html

  • missvalerie

    And you seem to have no idea what we’re even talking about. If you want to tell irrelevant stories about your dogs, go right ahead, but don’t do it as a response to my post. Also, none of my friends have vicious animals. I stated that my friends’ pits are sweet and lovable doggies. If you’re referring to the dogs I’ve been bitten by, then you clearly need a refresher in reading comprehension.

  • missvalerie

    And you seem to have no idea what we’re even talking about. If you want to tell irrelevant stories about your dogs, go right ahead, but don’t do it as a response to my post. Also, none of my friends have vicious animals. I stated that my friends’ pits are sweet and lovable doggies. If you’re referring to the dogs I’ve been bitten by, then you clearly need a refresher in reading comprehension.

  • Anonymous

    The cop would have been totally in the right to shoot that dog. Instead he chose to taze it. That kind of judgement is what I like to see in a LEO. 

  • flysociety

    y u defending da pitbull fuck u and da fking pit bull…if i was da cop i would cut da pit bull fkin neck and drink his blood, i just heard in australia a pit bull kill a 4 year old child thatz so sad may her soul rest in peace… and ur year crying coz they shoot a pit bull, i hate fkin pitbull or dogs…hope u get raped by a fkin pitbull mother fker 

  • http://www.facebook.com/C.K.Hoffman Chelsea Hoffman

    robbed or raped by a pitbull? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/C.K.Hoffman Chelsea Hoffman

    they need advocates because of morons who think an entire breed is responsible for a few bad apples.

    I bet you’re the type of person who hates black people too 

  • Anonymous

    We don’t know what set of this dog and it could have had rabies. Pitbulls are no worse that other dogs, they just get more press for
    being bad. People like you suck it up so nicely and spread it, but who
    does that when other dog breeds kill or maim someone? It’s no harder to
    stop a pit after it attacks than it is any other dog if you know what
    you’re doing. The most vicious dog I ever owned was a 45lb aussie collie
    mix and he was an abused rescue we got from the shelter. I was playing
    with a boyfriend (who my dog loved) and screamed one day and we see a
    blur flying through the air, my boyfriend is falling back toward the bed
    to try to get away and the dog had jumped straight for his face, but
    missed due to my BF falling back. The dog kept biting all the way down
    as they were falling and all this happened in the time it took to yell
    my dog’s name. When I finished saying his name he hit the ground and
    came and sat next to me and was his normal loving self again. But my BF
    had a gash in his upper arm, bruising on his hip, and a bite on his
    upper leg and the worst bite was behind his knee where the dog had
    ripped a hole in his jeans and put gashes in his leg. Had my BF not
    fallen back, this would have been his face. Had I not been in the room,
    who would have stopped my dog from attacking? Not to mention, wheels
    also set me dog off, bikes and skates and skateboards. I found this out
    the hard way. The first time we were on the porch and he’d never
    attacked anyone and a kid went by on the skateboard. The dog went flying
    I screamed at the kid to freeze, and the kid froze and my dog stopped.
    The next time a friend and I were walking him and a guy went by on a
    bike and the dog ripped his leash out of my friend’s hand and went after
    the biker and I screamed stop and the idiot looked back at me and went
    faster. Of course the dog caught up so I’m sure that idiot got a few
    bites. That dog was sweet, smart (he figured out how to open doors and
    had a different whine for food, attention, and the need to go potty),
    and loyal. But he was dangerous. So don’t pick on pits, you have no idea
    if this owner was a good owner and abuse isn’t the only thing that
    makes dogs aggressive. Not having them fixed and not being good at
    socialization and training can make any dog dangerous.

  • Anonymous

    We don’t know what set of this dog and it could have had rabies. Pitbulls are no worse that other dogs, they just get more press for
    being bad. People like you suck it up so nicely and spread it, but who
    does that when other dog breeds kill or maim someone? It’s no harder to
    stop a pit after it attacks than it is any other dog if you know what
    you’re doing. The most vicious dog I ever owned was a 45lb aussie collie
    mix and he was an abused rescue we got from the shelter. I was playing
    with a boyfriend (who my dog loved) and screamed one day and we see a
    blur flying through the air, my boyfriend is falling back toward the bed
    to try to get away and the dog had jumped straight for his face, but
    missed due to my BF falling back. The dog kept biting all the way down
    as they were falling and all this happened in the time it took to yell
    my dog’s name. When I finished saying his name he hit the ground and
    came and sat next to me and was his normal loving self again. But my BF
    had a gash in his upper arm, bruising on his hip, and a bite on his
    upper leg and the worst bite was behind his knee where the dog had
    ripped a hole in his jeans and put gashes in his leg. Had my BF not
    fallen back, this would have been his face. Had I not been in the room,
    who would have stopped my dog from attacking? Not to mention, wheels
    also set me dog off, bikes and skates and skateboards. I found this out
    the hard way. The first time we were on the porch and he’d never
    attacked anyone and a kid went by on the skateboard. The dog went flying
    I screamed at the kid to freeze, and the kid froze and my dog stopped.
    The next time a friend and I were walking him and a guy went by on a
    bike and the dog ripped his leash out of my friend’s hand and went after
    the biker and I screamed stop and the idiot looked back at me and went
    faster. Of course the dog caught up so I’m sure that idiot got a few
    bites. That dog was sweet, smart (he figured out how to open doors and
    had a different whine for food, attention, and the need to go potty),
    and loyal. But he was dangerous. So don’t pick on pits, you have no idea
    if this owner was a good owner and abuse isn’t the only thing that
    makes dogs aggressive. Not having them fixed and not being good at
    socialization and training can make any dog dangerous.

  • Mick Tattersall

    Dumb bitch got what she deserved. Pit bulls need to be wiped out, and her efforts to “redeem” the pit bull could only have led to further casualties for both humans and domestic animals. I am glad this idiot’s misinformation campaign has been brought to a close. 

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps Darla’s pitbull was one that was trained to fight as a pup before she got it and she was unaware of that. It happens. 

    A woman with a HUGE pitbull just moved in one next street over and i am very concerned for my dog, 
    Unless you are with the pitbull when they are born and are with them 24/7 you can never be sure they have not been trained to fight. And if you have ever eye witnessed one being PISSED OFF (NOT VIDEO), you know it’s just not worth it to own one. That being said I did own one in the past that was a mix that was never trouble and only joy, still I will never own one again b/c of witnessing a blue blood make hamburger out of another dog. (The dog made it, but with lots of med help). The blue blood pit was euthanized. I cannot understand why Greg still chooses this breed after what happened to his family. I guess he’s happy he won’t have to pay child support.

  • Anonymous

    Scott Peterson should have just gotten a pitbull. He probably wouldn’t be in prison today.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WELRSOXNPDOL5Z6ZOTBYEM4YE Bun Bun

    So their dog just killed his pregnant girlfriend, and ‘Greg’ still wants to take the time to mention that the dog had not charged anyone when the cops shot it??  FUCK that shit, I would have killed the dog myself.  Dog hovering nearby, covered in blood.  THIS IS   SSDD    same shit different day.  a Younger male pit, older female, around the age of 2 years old is when the males go nuts.  I read it OVER and OVER again, FAMILY PET FAMILY PET kills child, neighbor, old man, owner, Pit Bulls attack their owners more than all other dogs combined. 

    Why don’t you stupid fucking idiots just admit, you have NO idea what makes them turn, it is NOT based on being abused, and that you are fucking idiots to own one.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WELRSOXNPDOL5Z6ZOTBYEM4YE Bun Bun

    No fucking way, what a stupid thing to say.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WELRSOXNPDOL5Z6ZOTBYEM4YE Bun Bun

    That is a lie to say that USUALLY you see a sign with any dog.  From all the research I have done, the Pit attacks against owners come like a furious surprise, leaving people shocked and either mauled or dead.  Males particularly around the age of 2 (just like this dog) seems to be a common scenario.  In one case I read, neighbors didn’t even know they owned a Pit, they were so quiet and well mannered.  Very very similar to this.  A 2 year old male, and a 7 year old female.  The male climbed the fence, attacked a kid, a neighbor fought it off with a bat, the owner came out to stop everything, and the dog fucked him up so bad (the OWNER) he had to be helicoptered to emergency.  The dog THEN attacked the 7 yr old female & fucked her up too.  BELOVED FAMILY PET.  Half the time when I read the articles, it’s a FAMILY PET.  Shit I knew a guy who had an old Pit that was a fighting dog – ears cut off, covered with scars.  He was the most laid back greatest dog ever & I never felt ill at east around him.  

    You just DONT KNOW.   Temperament is GENETIC and these dogs were bred for generations to LOVE to attack and fight.  I think YOU are in denial.   

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WELRSOXNPDOL5Z6ZOTBYEM4YE Bun Bun

    How can being cautious help when you are walking down the fucking street and some shitrag’s Pit runs out and mauls the fuck out of you. Happens all the time.  You’re an idiot.  This is not mob mentality or HYSTERIA…it’s the plain FACTS and STATISTICS that these dogs attack, maul, maim and kill, not ONLY more than any other dog, but WAAAAY more than even the #2 dog on the list.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WELRSOXNPDOL5Z6ZOTBYEM4YE Bun Bun

    God, fuck you – you stupid fucking bitch.  The dog was COVERED with blood and ‘moving towards them’.  A dog doesn’t have to be charging to come towards you with a purpose, why should they wait until it is already in the process of attacking someone to try and shoot it?  FUCK you’re an idiot.  What the fuck do you know about shooting a weapon, or being a cop anyway.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Wow. What the fuck did you just say?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    You are the one in denial.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I’ve been attacked twice by dogs.

    The first was my own fucking dog, a cocker spaniel. I was sitting on the floor in front of the couch he was laying on. I turned around to look at him and he fucking flipped his lid. Bit me right on the face. I had to have reconstructive plastic surgery. He had never bitten anyone before. We put him down the next day.

    The next time was at the shelter when I was cleaning out a cage. This big ass Rottweiler came running down the hall, knocked me over and bit me on the arm. He clamped down and shook back and forth like I was a toy. I don’t know HOW, but it didn’t even break the skin. The other volunteers and I were frickin baffled.

    I’m more scared of cocker spaniels than I a Rottweilers. I have seen moreo cocker spaniels lose their cool and bite people than Rottweilers or pits.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    So she wasn’t innocent? Just because she owned a certain breed of dog, she deserved to die.

    Fuck you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    It’s kind of our thing here, to share our experiences with one another. If that bothers you, you may want to find another site to comment on.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    You need to be taken out of the human population for that kind of ass backwards thinking.

    Talk about misinformation!

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.zendt Ava Garland

    Breeding fighting drive??please can someone crack a book.An instinct to attack and kill for food is born in every animal..it’s natural selection. The food chain..the instinct to fight, and attack and kill other dogs for dominance is bature, that even a poodle has.. “Agressive breeds” is a stupid term, because simply put, even if the woman had raised the animal from pup, she owned another female, and she herself was pregnant, not to mention the animal wasn’t fixed. ALL MALE DOGS especially ones that aren’t fixed have dominance issues, and when you throw a pregnant woman with all of those hormones into the mix, the possibility of that animal attacking to show dominance is very good. It’s a sad occurence, but to be honest them not seeing the animal was fixed was partially their own fault. And no you fucking idiot, just because they’re not fixed doesn’t make them ticking time bombs. For one “pitbull” isnt even a real breed, it’s a classification for a whole mess of dogs, you have the American Pitbull Terrier, American Staffordshire, and a bunch of others. Sometimes the attack is explained by scientific explanation, and sometimes, it’s not even the animals fault, it’s the animal’s owner and poor care and training and socialization, and at the very worse abuse that leads to the animal attacking. It’s in every fight or flight response in every creature, if they feel threatened or another is in their territory, the possibility of it defending itself and it’s territory are great. The media has hyped up hatred of this breed for ratings, and like the lemmings you are you fall into the media trap. It is however, very true that some dogs( not just pits) are just born wacked, It’s usually a brain irregularity, just like some humans are born with health and mental issues, and in this case tons of them with stupidity. The only thing this particular breed is guilty of is being the perfect candidate to mess someone up..and that tends to make stupid humans do even more moronic things, and then when it all goes bad and the cops are at your house, and the TV reporters are there, they dont wanna look like a douche, and they LIE”oh i dont know why this would ever happen” 99.9% of the time, the biggest mistake law enforcement makes, dont consult the owner. Consult the Vet(like me) in short, any animal can be a “pitbull” you just have to be cautious in it’s raising. Even being the kindest sweetest owner ever who never punishes an animal for wrong doing can end up disastrous, why? Animals aren’t people and we tend to forget that, and we tend to want to put human laws on animals, like their emotions and instincts are the same as our own..as much as we love to think that way about our beloved pets they are STILL ANIMALS…and they must be approached as such. If a dog has no structure it wont recognize authority. Almost like a child, but a child cant rip off your face either…ok they can lol. So many people want to blame an animal, when they’re the ones who need to be blamed. As for the man wanting his female back..why shouldnt he have her?? Just because the male went off the deep end? Only in the human world are the females more vicious than the male.Unless she’s expecting or delivered a litter. please people let’s use our heads here.

  • Anonymous

    It is sad what happened but these days I don’t understand why anyone would let an intact male dog sleep in your bed.  Why didn’t they get the dog neutered way back when.  I know full well it was not the dog’s fault.  But the red flag is people need to get serious about being a responsible dog owner.  Remember that it is a dog and depends on you to make it safe through proper training and knowledge of the dog.  She was pregnant and they were going to have a baby.  I would not want any intact male dog around a baby.  The dog is going to be territorial through no fault of his own.  Any child should be supervised around dogs, no matter what kind.  That is the part I do not understand.  Why did they not get that dog neutered?  What were they thinking?  That is the part that is never told.  The whole story.  What kind of dog owners were these people?  It is one thing about wanting to help a group of dogs but another when you actually own that type of dog or mixed breed.  You always have to remember it is a dog, not a human.  That dog was an intact male.  Why didn’t they get him neutered and why was he allowed to sleep with them as an intact male?  It sounds like no matter what type dog, that is a disaster waiting to happen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jmisovski Jovan Misovski

    He’s burying her with the dog that killed her?

    Wow.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_REBM2KZXYURIJFUVI4IZYEQXJQ Corey

    People need to understand the breed of Pitbulls and understand they are very possesive dogs. They have no feelings of knowing they have done wrong. Female pits are the most challenging from my experience kennel keeper.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UAWV6LZNQAJROKNOQACTVFQXEA The girl

    I agree with Deety.  What a shame the story is about a pregnant mother who is horrifically mauled to death by her own disgusting, unstable and ugly breed called a pit bull mix… and all these selfish, uninformed ppl are thinking about how terrible poor little woof woof the monster got shot a couple times.    

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Garrett/1356857257 Tommy Garrett

    66 deaths over 20 years thats acceptable ,If theres 3 or 4 million Pit bulls in our country and only 3 or 4 deaths ,shit you have abetter chance of choking to death eating dinner !

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Garrett/1356857257 Tommy Garrett

     Ya their like Vampires after ..HuH !

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Garrett/1356857257 Tommy Garrett

     Call me so I can watch !

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Garrett/1356857257 Tommy Garrett

    Not my favorite people either, can’t help it their just such ball busters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Garrett/1356857257 Tommy Garrett

     I agree I own two Pitbulls and have owned this breed for 26 years ,but if one ever even bit me or anyone who was not robbing or trying to cause bodily harm …..It would be stuffed on a mantle.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Garrett/1356857257 Tommy Garrett

     No more than any other dog ! They come in second behind the Golden retriever in Temperament test’s there’s just allot of people with these animals who shouldnt be allowed to own a fish !

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1174837622 Jon Anonnon

    Dalra said pit bulls are the most loving dog, all they want to do is lick you.It must have got the taste from all that licking…ban them

  • Lizard

    Almost a year after the original story was posted, and you show up with your pithy little comment and directive to “ban them.”

    How nice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Togoodtobetru-Hollis/100001718230989 Togoodtobetru Hollis

    not to sound like a dummy, but what is it it about being pregnantto them?

  • Cori Lou

    Yeah, I’m sure it totally gave them the jollies to have to shoot a dog that killed a pregnant woman. In fact, I bet that was the first thing they thought when they walked in and saw her dead, bloody body, “I bet we can definately shoot a dog now.”

  • Blu Scarab

    They should have banned them after this story aired. The owner got what she deserved.

  • Blu Scarab

    Its not only the deaths that these dogs are notorious for, its the unprovoked attacks that result in bites, mauls, and lifelong injuries – many of them to toddlers. Hopefully, your dog won’t maul the shit out of some poor 2 year old.

  • Blu Scarab

    If the owner of this story had a chihuahua or a beagle or a cavalier king, she’d be alive and well today. What kind of horseshit says that “any animal can be a pitbull”? I’d sure like to see a shitzu or a pomeranian rip me to shreds. LOL what a fucking moron.

  • TwinCrier
  • Violet Flame

    Pitbulls are not “ticking time bombs” and I find it hard to believe a true animal advocate would have unfixed pets that’s completely irresponsible. What most likely happened was the male tried to hump the female and a fight broke out that she tried to break up which you never want to do with any type of dogs.