Boy, 11, Charged With Murder In Shooting Death Of Brother, 6

Very sad.  Wish I had more details…but they cannot release them.

I was thinking the same thing. Two children lost, I can’t imagine the pain.

…Well this is grotesque.  Who the fuck left the gun around so that this kid could get his hands on it?  Usually in cases like that in other states they also charge the parents.  What’s going on here?

That’s incredibly sad and awful.  I’m interested to discover where the fuck the parents were, and why the children had access to a weapon (either that was already loaded or which the kid loaded himself)…just terrible.

Actually, someone younger than 11 was charged with murder over 200 years ago. Back in 1748, 10-year-old William York was sentenced to hang for murdering 5-year-old Susan Matthew but was later pardoned because of his age.

You never want to murder your siblings because, by doing so, you are depriving yourself of someone to torment throughout childhood.

If there ever comes a time when i need my gun it will do me no good if it is unloaded. If you teach your kids gun safety and keep it out of easy reach for them you shouldn’t have a problem, unless of course you’re an incompetent parent and have no control over your kids. I wonder how many of the kids that shoot themselves or others have had any kind of gun safety training, my guess is not too many. My gun isn’t to prevent me from being robbed, it’s to protect me from an intruder while i’m home. 

If there ever comes a time when i need my gun it will do me no good if it is unloaded. If you teach your kids gun safety and keep it out of easy reach for them you shouldn’t have a problem, unless of course you’re an incompetent parent and have no control over your kids. I wonder how many of the kids that shoot themselves or others have had any kind of gun safety training, my guess is not too many. My gun isn’t to prevent me from being robbed, it’s to protect me from an intruder while i’m home. 

this cases bother me. I remember being 11 like it was yesterday. I knew right from wrong. I knew the finality and consequence of death. this little bastard should be charged as an adult.

Some parents don’t discuss it. I could see an 11 year old not really understanding it, especially if they have overprotective parents.

“Second of all, it’s not my daughter’s responsibility to raise my kids. It’s my responsibility to do that. Hers is to be a teenager.”

This is a great philosophy. I like it a lot.

I think where the big problem lies is in the difference between “legal” and “advisable”. I believe it should be legal for people to own guns, but I think for many people, it’s inadvisable. Among other things, they’re just not a good defensive weapon. The only way I would be able to defend myself with one in my home would be if I kept it loaded and easily accesible, which would also leave it accesible to the various kids who come traipsing through my house. But if it’s properly locked up then I can’t get to it quickly enough. 

The only way to make it an effective defensive weapon would be to open carry at all times, which is very inconvenient, and a disproportionate reaction to a fairly minor threat. Among other things, where I live, the police could be here within two minutes (a benefit to living in a ‘rough’ town), and my neighbors would be here in less time than that. 

It’s different where you live, because you presumably don’t have help close by. But in a densely populated area, gun ownership leads to more bad than good (in large part because most people are irresponsible morons). 

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/More_kids_killed_by_guns_in_0613.html
– In 2003, 56 preschoolers were killed by firearms, compared to 52 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty.

– More 10- to 19-year-olds die from gunshot wounds than from any other cause except motor vehicle accidents.

– Almost 90 percent of the children and teens killed by firearms in 2003 were boys.

– Boys ages 15 to 19 are nearly nine times as likely as girls of the same age to be killed by a firearm.

– In 2003, there were more than nine times as many suicides by guns
among white children and teens as among black children and teens.

– The firearm death rate for black males ages 15 to 19 is more than four times that of white males the same age.

In all, 2,827 kids and teens were killed in the United States during the
2003 calendar year  that marked the US invasion of Iraq. At last count, the
Department of Defense reports 2,497 US soldiers killed in Iraq.

Guns are not going away anytime soon.  There will always be those that have no respect for the power of a gun and these people are called criminals.  The owner of the gun in this story should be charged with murder; when you’re talking guns there are no accidents, it’s called negligence.  Ultimately a person’s brain (or lack of) is the actual weapon.

NONSENSE! the cerebral cortex spleen brain californium biotic has not fully developed yet and this child should be set free. HE’S INNOCENT HE COULD NOT HELP HIMSELF!!

I see Edward Hickey is on your friends list and you both live in Canada. Are you related?

Here in Montana we have very liberal gun rules. Montana doesn’t even recognize registering your handgun with the Feds and refuses to go along with it.

Where were the parents? Why did they leave a loaded handgun laying around that their kids could get to? Why are they not in trouble?

more than 12 in the past two weeks on DD

same with where i am moving

lol jack-ass crazy..

My dad didn’t allow me to stay home alone until I was 14 and I didn’t babysit my little sisters until I was 16; even then it was never for more than a few hours and my dad and his girlfriend were never more than a 15-20 minute drive away. I usually only babysat a few times a month, like when my dad was at work and his girlfriend had to run to the store, or if they wanted a Friday night out once in a while. On those occasions they let me have a friend over because they knew they could trust me not to do anything stupid (like throw a party or something) and I never once broke that trust. I’d feel like a real asshole if my dad thought he couldn’t trust me with my sisters.

My dad taught me to respect and NEVER EVER touch his guns. He had 2 shot guns and one day when I was about 10 years old he got them out, along with the bullets, and told me to sit down with him while he cleaned them (they weren’t loaded). He had a long talk with me about what a gun is, what it does, the dangers of using them when you don’t know how to, etc. He told me the only person in the house that was ever allowed to touch them was him and that after today I’d never see them again. He told me that playing with guns is not ok and if I ever touched them he’d be extremely pissed. He told me they were for our protection and for when he goes hunting. He also said that when I turned 18 he’d take me to a gun range so I could learn how to use one. I never did, but lately my husband has been wanting to get a small handgun and take me to a range to learn how to use one just in case I ever need to protect myself at home. I’m still thinking about it, it’s a serious decision.

Through in the history of childhood and it was only in the first quarter of the 20th century that children became regarded more in the modern sense of what is a child.

huh?

Children of the working class up until the early nineteen hundreds were treated as small adults who had minimal, if any education and necessarily working as farm hands and in factories wherever possible. When child labor laws were passed and enforced on a national level, adults began to look differently at children in a more idealistic view. Society began to invest more into education and basic standards of decency towards children. As well as labor laws, other laws came in to play to specifically protect children in a variety of circumstances.

I’m sorry, but I really don’t feel this child should be charged with murder, IF anything, manslaughter, but even that’s pushing it. I think the parents should face the heavy charge! They should have taken every precaution possible to avoid the children being able to touch a gun. The gun we have has a key lock on the chamber, if its not unlocked, the safety can’t be off, we also keep it in a steel combination/key vault. The only time its not in there is when we’re asleep in our bedroom, and its still locked in the nightstand, that has a child safety latch on it, we also lock our bedroom door too. What happened is gross negligence (and thats a mild term for lack of better words), like I said, I blame the parents for being so careless and wreckless. That boy will forever be traumatized (assuming it was an accident, and the murder charge was based on the boy simply knowing a gun could kill) that he killed his little brother, something that will always haunt him. This really makes me so sad. RIP Andrew

huh?

JohnQknowsalotofthingswedontunderstand.

JohnQknowsalotofthingswedontunderstand.

When I eat sugar I am a foreigner!

I just threw in the gun stuff because it was part of the article.
I would answer in more detail but I can’t tell if your being a jackass or not.

Fuck That!!!  Charge that careless mother and her fuktard boyfriend. Kids shouldn’t be watching kids, especially with guns available to them. I hope for the sake of this kid it “was” really an accident. He’s to young to have his life taken away from him cause his mother didn’t care enough to make sure they were safe.

On another note:  Happy  4th Everyone.  Drink lots of beer, eat lots of food and most impotantly Be Safe!!!!

I was babysitting full-time for money by the time I was 15. (They were awful kids, too. Their parents gave me permission to spank them and put hot sauce in their mouths. I didn’t, of course.) My age wasn’t considered odd by anyone involved with the situation, including their grandparents. Most of the girls I knew were making pocket money babysitting by 14 or 15. 

There is almost no gun crime here where I live. It isn’t for lack of guns. I think it is more about who and what kind of people live there. People kill other people, not guns.

Gun ownership and training should start at a young age(with supervision). I had a pellet gun at 5 and was shooting rifles and shotguns not long after. Currently I teach gun safety as part of being a state hunter safety instructor. It’s really sad to see us losing our rights every day because we can’t shoulder the responsibility of those rights.

I’m not sure what you think would be a more effective home defensive weapon? I keep a shotgun next to my bed just like the last 4 generations of my family has. It doesn’t take more than a few seconds to load and chamber.

hmm that wpuld only be gun crime eh?

uh huh.

Yes, but guns help people accidentally kill people much more effectively than pointed sticks or even riding mowers. They should get an honorable mention for that. 

I think we are dealing with two different types of populations. These kids in the country can easily handle training with guns without resorting to “playing with guns to feel badass”. I guess when you can go shoot whenever you want, it isn’t such a huge thing.

There are always different ways to defend yourself but you always choose the most potent option. To choose less would be opening yourself to vulnerability. As in the saying, “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”. In a good home, with proper training, guns aren’t this big problem.

A judge on Friday acquitted a 12-year-old Indiana boy of
murdering his 6-year-old brother, but he convicted him of a lesser
juvenile charge of reckless homicide.

Morgan Superior Court Judge Christopher Burnham determined that the evidence did not show that the older boy intended to kill his younger brother, Andrew Frye, when he pointed a gun at him and pulled the trigger June 30 at their Martinsville home.

The older brother, who has a different last name than Andrew’s, was 11
years old at the time of the shooting and was charged as a juvenile
because he was deemed too immature to be tried as an adult.

A sentencing date for the reckless homicide conviction had not been set
Friday. Until he is sentenced, the boy will be held in a juvenile
detention facility and must undergo a psychiatric and behavioral
evaluation so that probation officials can determine what punishment he
should face.

Burnham can choose from a wide range of penalties geared for rehabilitation,
including probation, special programs and juvenile detention. The boy
could face detention until age 18 and remain on probation until he is
21.
[...]

The boys’ mother is charged with neglect for leaving the gun where the children had access to it.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110909/APA/1109090866