Cops: Man Forces Man To Perform Oral Sex, Shoots Him Twice When He’s Done

Shoot first , then shoot the weapon …

Well, he’d better be prepared to give head where he’s going; so far he’s been on the receiving end.

I need to be convinced the victim is really a victim.
 Before I had to give 2 BJ’s and get an ass fucking I would figure a way out of that. Gun or not.

This guy WANTS TO GO TO JAIL… he just didn’t know that before you GET HEAD you have to GIVE HEAD many-a-times & not to mention the torn sphyncter (had to look that one up to know how to write it, but it was worth it).

Oh yeah & he better not use teeth.

Is this dude going to be one of those Silverbacks we talk about once he gets in jail?

All I could think of is David Aceveda. I miss The Shield. 

I feel really bad for the victim in this case. I’m guessing he is more than likely young, since this happened at a college and the perp. is pretty young himself. Poor guy is going to have a hell of a hurdle getting over this one. 

This man sounds pretty stupid. Why the hell do you have to force people to give you head, etcetera? It is pretty easy to find someone to accomodate you on Craig’s List without prison time.

Yeah. But the FORCE element is a big part of what they like. Same with rape. I mean, no one needs to rape anyone. (There are people who sell that shit. And many more who are happy to give it away. If you’re too fugly to get it for free, save yo’ damn pennies.)

As for Mr. Rapey Malone, he’ll get attention in the pokey, I’ll bet, except maybe he’ll be the one getting forced this time. Probably won’t enjoy it from the other end quite as much!

A good chomp during the first BJ would’ve taken care of the gunman or a nice head throw would’ve taken care of him during the butt-fun.  

The victim had a gun pointed at him. If
he had bitten, or tried to fight the guy off chances are that victim
wouldn’t have lived to tell his story, no one would have been none the
wiser that he had been raped. And it is rape. Yes, police suggest for
people to scream, scratch, try to attract attention to whats happening
when being victimized.. but they also tell people that sometimes for the
greatest chance of survival is to comply with the attacker as horrible
as the situation is.

I do not doubt that the victim IS a victim. Men can be sexually violated
the same as women can but most men do not report their abuse. It’s sad
that we live in a world where the majority of rape victims do not come
forward and report their attackers. Women report it and then have to
deal with having every part of their own lives investigated, have to sit
in court if it makes it that far – and hear their attackers attorney
making them out to be whores, which to me just is a way of victimizing
the woman all over again. Male victims rarely report it out of shame
most likely. It leaves their attackers free to go do it over and over
again. So please, don’t make him a victim again, I’d bet it was very hard for him to admit what had happened to him in the first place.

And, unless YOU are unfortunate enough to end up in that victims situation you really don’t know what you will do to survive.

He should have a great time in prison then…

My boyfriend called him “David Ass-Invader.”  I miss that show too.

This victim got fucked over all the way around. Not only did he get ass raped and shot, he still had to suck a dick.

I would take getting lead over giving head any day.

The fucker that did that deserves to be locked up with Bubba and his ass rapin gang for life. This is fucked up shit.

I actually agree with Doug as far as fighting back before giving up the oral pleasures (although I think the guy might have been just scared and uneducated about firearms) and I shoot guns at least three times a week and at least once a week with my SWAT buddies.  A gun is not as effective as most people would assume at very close quarters.  I am a gun enthusiast and I would still take a knife or moderate hand to hand training over a handgun (except for a Taurus Judge which shoots shotgun shells) in a intimate conflict.  A gun can be easily turned against you if an adversary can get close enough to you, that is something you train to for.  There is no way dude could maintain distance from his victim during a spit shinning.

Damn right! A knuckle sandwich uppercut in the nutsack would be a risky, but good dissuader.

What the fuck are you even on about?

Oh, that’s right.  You’re a gun-toting tardcake who doesn’t know what it’s like to be in the shoes of a man who ISN’T a gun-toting tardcake.  You cannot comprehend what it’s like to be staring into the barrel of a gun NOT knowing whether 

– it’s loaded or not and/or

– the asshole who’s pointing it against you is going to pull that trigger.

“I actually agree with Doug as far as fighting back before giving up the oral pleasures…”

Well then, I sure hope you pull some of your bunny-quick ninja moves on the guy if you’re ever in this situation yourself.

Bullet to the head is SO much better than bullet to the knees, right?  Because G-d knows that if you DO succumb to such a MINOR threat, then you’re just a cum-guzzlin faggot like Veronica above said.

Seriously?  WTF is wrong with you?  Would you have rather have heard that this kid got shot in the head because he did what you’re bragging about here you’d do?  The motherfucker shot the kid in the leg AFTER he got sucked off, so there’s really very little fucking chance that the motherfucker would NOT have shot the kid point blank in the head or somewhere else if he’d “fought back”.  

What asshole did you crawl out from?

Seems to me that the idea that runs through both this crime AND the morons who commented about how the victim “should’ve fought back” is homo-hatred, and given that this is Pride Month, I’ll explain.

The black community and black culture–despite the existence of RuPaul–is NOT gay friendly.  When you’re a black man and you’re gay, you’re expected to deny it or live with it on the down-low (or find Jesus and “fix yo self”).  African Americans are normally NOT GLBT friendly as a whole (and Obama knew this and took advantage of it with his Embrace the Change tour in ’07;  a bit off-topic and a story for another day, but here’s a short link on it:  http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/obamas-gospel-concert-tour/ ).

That said, it drives young men like this asshole towards conflict.  And with all the other conflicts in the AA community/black lives in America, it can drive douchebags like this to do things like this to other people.

Now before people jump all over me for mentioning this in the frame of race, yes, a white or Hispanic or Asian or Gallifreyan guy could’ve done this just the same.  But the fact is is that black culture is still worse with its treatment of GLBTs than non-black culture (and every culture has its own shitty way of treating GLBTs, including forcing people to stay in the closet/”on the down low”), and that is the element in this particular case that fuels the violence involved in what happened.  I.e., if you grow up in a culture that is already rife with sexual  and gender-related conflict, your unacceptable sexuality is only going to be that “one more thing” that fucks you up (but please note that I am NOT excusing his behavior because he may’ve had a tough time or whatever…this is inexcusable).

THAT SAID, this asshole was already a violent piece of shit.  A *closeted* violent piece of shit, obviously, otherwise he would’ve targeted a female for the same thrill.  And this closeted violent piece of shit would’ve never have trolled Craigslist for head because that would require forming some kind of relationship–even if it’s only for 10 minutes–with the person before getting his needs met.  He didn’t want to form any relationships.  He’s just a piece of shit with a gun who wanted his cock sucked by another man.

As for the kid he violated, there’s nothing to say about him except that he is a victim of this closeted, violent piece of shit.  A *victim*.  And a victim who made the RIGHT choices to give the fucker what he wanted, because obviously this closeted, violent piece of shit seems to have no problem putting bullets in people.  And no matter what sexual preference the victim has, it still doesn’t make him gay because he sucked a guy off while the guy had a gun to his head.

So fuck you morons who are trying to say he should’ve fought back.  Bullet in the leg isn’t enough proof for you that this motherfucking POS would’ve shot him to DEATH if he hadn’t gotten what he wanted?  I know your brains are all full of that dramatic hero crap you see on TV when scenarios like this are set up, but you don’t know WTF you *really* do if caught in the same situation.  Pikeman in particular would likely shit his pants.

LOL! You crack me up sometimes. Pikeman and his fleet of non dick sucking idiots.

You do have that part right, my bad. He still tried, so what’s your point.

The way you go on, it’s almost like you’re trying to defend this guy in a weird way. Hackett and I are assholes because we would try to make a move out of a situation like that rather than be forced to suck a dick. Why are we assholes, house? Because somehow we insulted you and your gay pride because we don’t want to suck some fucking sick fuck rapists dick, or any other, for that matter! What you can’t understand that concept? What the fuck?

Have you ever been ass raped, John? Do you know what that shit is like? It takes a lot of guts to say it, but it happened to me as a kid SO FUCK YOU, JOHN HOUSECAT AND FUCK THIS RAPIST MOTHERFUCKER, TOO!

Yeah, I’d take a bullet. And I wouldn’t shit myself, either. Frankly, you don’t know shit about me, you opinionated asshole!!!

“Have you ever been ass raped, John? Do you know what that shit is like? It takes a lot of guts to say it, but it happened to me as a kid SO FUCK YOU, JOHN HOUSECAT AND FUCK THIS RAPIST MOTHERFUCKER, TOO!

Yeah, I’d take a bullet. And I wouldn’t shit myself, either. Frankly, you don’t know shit about me, you opinionated asshole!!!”

That would explain the bits of idiotic homo-hatred that you drop here and there.  Here is what I have to say about that part:  I’m very sorry you had to go through that.  That was a sick man who did that to you, and while your less-than-accepting ways can now be understood, that doesn’t mean that it’s right because the great majority of gay men aren’t fucking asshole kiddie rapists (just like the great majority of heterosexual males aren’t kiddie rapists either).

And IN GENERAL, it is idiotic for a man to say that he should take a bullet rather than suck some asshole’s dick while a gun is pointed at him.  Basically you’re saying you’d rather DIE than be alive but having has sucked cock (even though the circumstances of you having sucked cock would’ve made YOU the victim).  Do you (again, this is in general) truly value your life SO little that you would rather cling to some kind of homo-hating rationale that ‘fighting back unarmed against some guy with a gun’ would end well?  Optimism is great, but in a situation like that, you should choose self-preservation, unless you’re also a suicidal asshole.

Really, John?  Really?  You’re going to give someone shit for suggesting he would resist sexual assault, even if the perp had a gun?  Even when I disagree, I can at least understand when you get all wrapped around the axle about some issues, but this is fucking ridiculous.

Clearly, compliance does not guarantee safety.  This story illustrates that quite well.  So, as my parents taught me, once the bad guy has you where he wants you, you’re good as dead anyway, so you may as well fight.  Of course, adrenaline is a bitch and it causes some unfortunate people to shut down, as may have been the case, here.  Kenny wasn’t blaming the victim for not fighting, he was simply pointing out that he would’ve gone about things differently had it been him, and there’s nothing the slightest bit unreasonable about that.

Oh, and I was 12 years old when I had a gun pointed at me by a stranger who wanted to abduct and probably sexually assault me.  I took my chances with running like hell.  So I know all too well what it’s like to be in a situation like this, since that seems to matter to you.

Save your hypersensitive bullshit for issue that don’t make you look like the “tardcake”, huh?

I’m glad you replied to that. I guess I disagree because I don’t understand why trying to get out of sucking some rapists dick is “homo hatred.” I don’t agree with that analogy.

Also, part of the fuck you and calling you an opinionated asshole is because I thought you made that one comment toward me.

However, let’s be reasonable about this. If this happened to a woman, would she be a “homo hater” as well, if she said she would try to get out of it and kill the guy.

Personally, I think you are just getting too sensitive about the issue of “homo hatred” with the gay pride festival coming up and all. Do I hate rapists that try to get anyone (man or woman) to suck their dick forcefully. Absolutely.

Do I hate gays? Am I a “homo hater”? Absolutely not. Sometimes I am insensitive toward the issue, and I have my own opinions, but I don’t hate gays. I don’t even dislike them. I’ve had a few that are friends. I don’t like it thrown at me, though.

He stole a wallet from a man earlier and shot at him without hitting (much less killing) him.  So, yeah, considering this does not sound like it occurred in a closed space, there’s actually a pretty BIG fucking chance that the poor kid would have fared the same or better had he simply made a break for it (unless he was disabled or something).

You’re talking out of your ass on this one, John.

I don’t think the kid should have necessarily fought back, just saying I would have if given any opportunity. Also, I didn’t notice the part in Doug’s comment that he didn’t feel the guy on the receiving end wasn’t a victim, or I wouldn’t have liked it.

Yes, he was the victim. I still don’t understand why you say I don’t like gays, because of these comments.

When that happened to me as a kid, it was by my friends older brother. I never even thought of him as gay, just as a sick fucking child molester.

You’re right, it would be hard to do something. I do have some military training. If you have a chance, you grab the opposing side of the hand using your thumb on the back of the hand, and four fingers on the print side of the hand. One twist, and the perp instantly drops the gun and is on his knees. I wouldn’t recommend it, but that’s the best way to get out of that situation if you have a chance.

It’s not the animosity towards self-defense.  It’s the bravado of “I would never be caught sucking cock, gun or not, I’d fight back!” crap that I have a problem with.  

It’s a freaking gun, Pikeman.  It’s not a fishing pole or a golf club or even a knife.  Any normal person SHOULD be scared when something like that is pointed at you.

You know, it was Doug who suggested that the victim may have been willing, not Kenny Hackett. I also don’t like that part of what Doug said. I just think I didn’t notice that when I “liked’ it. He was just agreeing with the “trying to get out of it” part.

Never once have I seen Kenny Hackett bash gays, or try to be a troll. Just sayin.

“I don’t understand why trying to get out of sucking some rapists dick is “homo hatred.”"

Re-read the last paragraph that I wrote to you there.  And I repeat what i wrote down below:  I would LIKELY be agreeing with you and this new guy (Doug) if the fucking asshole rapist had had anything other than a firearm.

“However, let’s be reasonable about this. If this happened to a woman, would she be a “homo hater” as well, if she said she would try to get out of it and kill the guy.”

Nooooo, you big dummy.  The proper analogy for THAT would have to be that the rapist was a woman, and women were the ones saying “I wouldn’t be caught dead eating pussy, so I’d take my chances fighting against a chick with a gun to my head.”   Really now, look at what you wrote…why would she be a homo-hater if a man assaulted her in the same way?  It’s not a homosexual act for a woman to suck a guy’s dick (well, unless the “woman” was actually an FtM, but now we’re just muddying the waters even more with unrelated junk).

“Do I hate rapists that try to get anyone (man or woman) to suck their dick forcefully. Absolutely.”

As you should.  We all should, we’re DDers, not complete and utter fucktards (well, most of us).

“Sometimes I am insensitive toward the issue, and I have my own opinions, but I don’t hate gays. I don’t even dislike them. I’ve had a few that are friends. I don’t like it thrown at me, though.”

I was with you until the very last part.  How is it that gays or gay things are “thrown at you”?  Do you realize that that phrase is a common phrase used by people who *are* extremely uncomfortable with gays?  How is it that gay things are “thrown” at anyone?  Should we all be ducking since it’s Pride Month?  How about I throw my super-gay Brokeback Mountain DVD at you? 

But seriously, our culture as a whole doesn’t throw anything but hetero-centric garbage at us (all the garbage that’s on MTV/VH1 and all of the super-hetero non-cable networks).  Where do GLBTs and their allies have to go for regular TV programming?  Logo (and I think there’s another one, but we only get LOGO here).  GLBTs have that one, maybe two stations (aside from BBC America… ;D …*ducks and runs from any Brits reading*) that profile gay culture and life.  So saying that gays, gayness and all that’s related CAN be “thrown” at you in this culture is kind of a strong accusation in light of the actual evidence to the contrary.

That part of what Doug said is bullshit, I agree.

However, if you are willing to take a serious risk, and you know what you are doing, you can turn the gun on the dude, like Hackett was saying.

It can be done quickly and efficiently. It has to be done just right, and it is a risk.

However, you might get shot and killed anyway, right? Even after the dick sucking. I guess it is up to the victim to take that chance or not.

Also, I don’t think running away is the answer at all. Not when the rapist is right there. There’s no where to run.

I don’t blame you for not fighting back in this situation.

As far as my abuser, I was ten then. This was the seventies. His parents said this was “normal” for him, and brushed it off. He was about 16 then. He did the same thing to my best friend. I’m sure he has a long history of it.

My parents found out later, but didn’t know how bad the details were. No one would do anything about it. We moved. I don’t know whatever happened to that fucker. It’s just as well, because I would kill him now.

The advantage you do have when someone does something like this, is he is right there. There is much less of an advantage if he had some distance. 

Don’t worry, Athena and I are often at odds with each other.  

I only mentioned running away because that’s exactly what I did when I had a gun pointed at me… and I survived to tell the story.

Obviously, what you’re going to do depends very much on the situation.  As I (think I) stated previously, there is no right or wrong decision when you’re a victim.  

Your emotional connection to the sexuality element of this case is blurring shit for you.

1.) Kenny stated the specific element of Doug’s post that he agreed with.  Kenny’s been posting around here for quite some time, and he’s no chest-thumping homophobe.  You’re discrediting his clear disclaimer just because he “liked” Doug’s post, so, apparently, you aren’t considering the totality of the conversation (even though you quoted it, and the disclaimer clearly identified the only element of Doug’s post that Kenny “liked”).  I generally don’t like speaking for other people, but I’d be extremely surprised if Kenny liked the victim-blaming portion of Doug’s post.  It would be quite the departure from character for him.

2.) No, my parents were not “obviously” wrong.  Are there exceptions to the rule?  Always.  But even in a retail situation, shit isn’t so clear, evidenced by every compliant clerk that has been shot and killed anyway; evidenced by non-compliant clerks who fought back and survived.  Fuck a company policy – you do what feels right to you in any given situation.  No one but you (and Doug) has suggested otherwise.

3.) This wasn’t a robbery in a store, it was a sexual assault behind a building, and the victim STILL got shot twice.  You’re taking issue with people saying they would have tried to avoid that fate.  That’s the only part of this I need you to explain, and thus far, you’ve done a piss poor job.

4.)  Yes, I ran like hell and I got away.  None of us can say with any certainty that this guy would have been more or less lucky than I was.  We can only speak to what we’d like to think we ourselves would do when faced with a similar situation. You’re right, none of us really know what we’d do unless we’re in that situation.  But that’s not the position you took.  You took the position that anything other than compliance would be wrong/stupid/reckless/etc., but things aren’t that simple.

I would generally agree with retail being the exception to the rule, but, again, even that isn’t absolute.  If the request is someone else’s money, hell yeah I’ll comply, so long as their behavior suggests that’s the only thing they’re after.  But in a situation where they are after ME, I don’t care where I’m at or what policy is… compliance will be my last resort.

I actually wrote a scathing letter a couple of years ago to the corporate owner of a chain of gas stations.  A robber was assaulting a female employee (I don’t recall whether or not the assault was sexual) and her male co-worker intervened on her behalf.  He was promptly fired for doing so, as company policy was to not fight back (or, in this case, get involved).  To hell with that bullshit. 

Actually I said He was probably scared and didn’t have the same training and knowledge I had, you are the one making assumptions sir.  I clearly distance myself from the rest of Doug statement except that his odd’s would have been better than he though, and you think, had he fought back.  You are over reacting and acting like a child because my opinion is different than yours.

If he had a knife, he should have sucked the dick, his odds would have been much worse … just say’n.

You’re a fair man Pike, it’s what I like about you, you come across as abrasive sometimes and if I was House, you’d probably piss me off sometimes too, but you’re consistent, and you have opinions, there’s nothing wrong with that, and I find you funny as all fuck, that helps too.