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Two Teen Girls Hang Themselves During Sleepover

April 21, 2011 at 10:38 am by  

Two Teen Girls Hang Themselves During SleepoverMARSHALL, Minn. — A small community is mourning the deaths of 14-year-old Haylee Fentress and 14-year-old Paige Moravetz, best friends who hanged themselves during a sleepover.

Moravetz was spending the night with Fentress Friday night and judging by some of their online activity, everything seemed pretty normal. Early Saturday morning, Fentress wished her cousin Happy Birthday on Facebook before calling a friend in Indiana. At around 6 a.m., Fentress’ mother found both of the girls had hanged themselves.

The girls had been planning this for awhile, leaving goodbye notes to their families and even giving instructions on how to handle their funerals. There has been no reports of bullying being mentioned in the suicide notes, but both girls reportedly complained of being bullied or ostracized at school. This hasn’t stopped some media outlets from posting that bullying was the sole reason why these girls made the decision to kill themselves, however.

Reportedly, the notes simply expressed love for their families and asked them not be sad over their deaths. Fentress also left her mother detailed plans for her funeral that included everything being  pink with butterflies.

According to Moravetz’s aunt, the girls’ friendship appeared to grow because of their feelings of being excluded. The friendship had gotten so close that Fentress had hyphenated her last name on Facebook to include the last name of her friend. She had also been expelled from school recently because she defended Moravetz during a fight.

Whenever I read stories like this, I immediately think of GINGER SNAPS, or that phenomena that often occurs in which two people do some extreme things together as a pair that they never would have even thought of doing individually. Whatever the reason, it’s so aggravating that as an adult you cannot crawl into some of these young people’s heads to let them know that in the grand scheme of things, all of the crap they are going through is fleeting. It’s even more aggravating that at 14, they were so close to finding this out themselves.

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  • guillotinegirl

    Truth or Dare: How To Know When You’ve Gone Too Far.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve got the wrong movie–Ginger Snaps was about two sisters and one was bitten by a werewolf. I think you might mean “Heavenly Creatures” with Kate Winslet.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YT3XCVN3MHW2XXYB3OWU2A7GBU Patti

    Damn it! That’s sad.

  • Anonymous

    I was thinking Heavenly Creatures, too. It’s sad, sounds like these girls were quite determined.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone that lives in Minnesota thinks about doing this, but goddam.

  • Pyncky

    When I was in my twenties, I worked as Security in a hospital in Indianapolis. One night I was stationed in the ER and an ambulance came in with a patient that I thought at first was a really old black woman. I failed to notice that the sheet over her was wet. It was a 17 year old white girl who had set fire to herself. The paramedic, who I knew, said she had left a note saying she did it because nobody loved her. She died that night. So nobody ever got the chance to love her later. It is so sad that people think that “now” is forever and do not realize that life is not a stagnant pool but rather a current that will constantly move you into new situations, good and bad. That is not just a fault in teenagers but in adults too. Myself included sometimes.

  • Pyncky

    When I was in my twenties, I worked as Security in a hospital in Indianapolis. One night I was stationed in the ER and an ambulance came in with a patient that I thought at first was a really old black woman. I failed to notice that the sheet over her was wet. It was a 17 year old white girl who had set fire to herself. The paramedic, who I knew, said she had left a note saying she did it because nobody loved her. She died that night. So nobody ever got the chance to love her later. It is so sad that people think that “now” is forever and do not realize that life is not a stagnant pool but rather a current that will constantly move you into new situations, good and bad. That is not just a fault in teenagers but in adults too. Myself included sometimes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andycarpenterjr Andy Carpenter

    Suicides kill more than just the person.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right, Morbid: Folie à Deux. And I agree, It’s unlikely ‘both’ of these little girls would have taken their lives had they never crossed paths. For the life of me, I can’t fathom what could be SO horrible in ones life that the only feasible solution is suicide…Especialy at 14. I feel bad for them, but I feel terrible for their families.

  • Anonymous

    The pain left behind for the many who loved them is less than they felt as two individuals. I wish they had reached out to an adult. Being a teenager can really suck, but those of us older than 2 decades can easily forget just how much it suck… and remembering what it felt like diminishes as each decade passes

  • Parrot Toes

    That is sad. So is this story of these two girls. I just want to throw a different perspective on the reasoning for suicide. Sometimes, it isn’t about how you feel right now, for the last few weeks or even the last few months because you’re being bullied, no one loves you, you’re fat or ugly, or whatever else fleeting moment feeling that comes along. Yes, those will pass and it is sad that many people, especially teens, don’t see that.

    Then there is the other side. Some people just never feel right. Always blah, no matter what happens, even on the best of days. It’s a hopelessness that never goes away. Like there is no point to life. It’s like you know a secret that no one else knows, that we are all going to die. That’s what I struggle with every day. It’s not that I’m unhappy or negative, I’m just blah. I’m here and I don’t care one way or the other about it. I don’t know if I explained that right, but I just wanted to put it out there.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if they had tried everything to make things better before fixing to do this.

  • Count Rackula

    “Then there is the other side. Some people just never feel right. Always blah, no matter what happens, even on the best of days. It’s a hopelessness that never goes away. Like there is no point to life. It’s like you know a secret that no one else knows, that we are all going to die. That’s what I struggle with every day. It’s not that I’m unhappy or negative, I’m just blah. I’m here and I don’t care one way or the other about it. I don’t know if I explained that right, but I just wanted to put it out there.”

    I agree with this, and I think that this mindset is possibly what contributed to that keyboardist killing himself on stage. He wasn’t really depressed, just didn’t want to live anymore. It’s a strange thing, but I think more people feel that way than anyone could ever possibly realize.

  • rebecca

    can you imagine their last moments? : /
    awful and sad loss. those years really do seem to last second by second, with time never seeming to move on. i dont know how i lasted but i am glad i did.

  • rebecca

    can you imagine their last moments? : /
    awful and sad loss. those years really do seem to last second by second, with time never seeming to move on. i dont know how i lasted but i am glad i did.

  • rebecca

    can you imagine their last moments? : /
    awful and sad loss. those years really do seem to last second by second, with time never seeming to move on. i dont know how i lasted but i am glad i did.

  • rebecca

    can you imagine their last moments? : /
    awful and sad loss. those years really do seem to last second by second, with time never seeming to move on. i dont know how i lasted but i am glad i did.

  • rebecca

    can you imagine their last moments? : /
    awful and sad loss. those years really do seem to last second by second, with time never seeming to move on. i dont know how i lasted but i am glad i did.

  • rebecca

    can you imagine their last moments? : /
    awful and sad loss. those years really do seem to last second by second, with time never seeming to move on. i dont know how i lasted but i am glad i did.

  • Pyncky

    I know the “blah” feeling. I try to find little things that I like and enjoy to keep life worth getting up in the morning. Nothing earth shaking, the taste of a orange Popsicle. A good book. Hugging my wife. Hearing my cat purr. That said, people think I am kidding when I tell them that if I ever get Alzheimer’s that I am out of here. I will live with whatever else life throws at me, but that is one thing I will not.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    Not trying to demean the dead but um…were they lesbians? (not that there is anything wrong with that)

    It just seems kind of like your old hollywood lesbian suicide cliche.

    I mean show of hands…who loves their friend enough to join a suicide pact? I don’t love anybody that much (then again I’m an evil troll). Maybe they killed themselves because they couldn’t cope with their latent feelings or how their community would judge them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XA4RDSRSUX3XRSCPRR7XNGSPUQ Joshua

    Not trying to demean the dead but um…were they lesbians? (not that there is anything wrong with that)

    It just seems kind of like your old hollywood lesbian suicide cliche.

    I mean show of hands…who loves their friend enough to join a suicide pact? I don’t love anybody that much (then again I’m an evil troll). Maybe they killed themselves because they couldn’t cope with their latent feelings or how their community would judge them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D5PKUBLEDATKIOTLCOF3M7KHGI Danielle

    Wow! This was like a two person cult. Kids are taking things so personally these days. I know that no one likes to be picked on but death because of it is so extreme. You really have to have thick skin to be a child now days. This is very sad.

  • Count Rackula

    Nah, I think the cliche you’re thinking of is driving off a cliff in an old car while holding hands.

    Maybe not, though. :P

  • Anonymous

    I am sure they thought they had. Sometimes being a bit lacking in imagination is a life-threatening condition. :-(

  • Anonymous

    I am sure they thought they had. Sometimes being a bit lacking in imagination is a life-threatening condition. :-(

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704148477 Jennifer Boyer

    The Daily Mail (not always the most reputable resource) has an article about this in today’s issue: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379031/Deadly-pact-Mother-finds-dead-girls-Haylee-Fentress-Paige-Moravetz-14-committed-suicide-slumber-party.html. The aunt of the one girl is claiming that she was indeed bullied.

  • Anonymous

    People wouldn’t think about how ‘shitty’ or dull their life is if they just focused on living. By that I mean survival has become something that people take for granted…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704148477 Jennifer Boyer
  • Anonymous

    As the mom of a ‘tween-ager’ stories like this scare me to death. I want to think that these girls’ parents missed all kinds of clues that they were suicidal. Because, if this could happen to girls with loving, involved parents, it could happen to me.

    I usually never share the stories on here with my kids….but I think this time, I will.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Here in ND, too. It’s still fucking SNOWING. *bangs head on wall*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    That’s too sad. :(

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    No, I meant GINGER SNAPS. Both girls contemplated suicide together and vowed to do so before a certain age. HEAVENLY CREATURES, one of my favorite movies, btw, was the opposite situation. Two girls wanted to be together so bad they killed someone else.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    No, I meant GINGER SNAPS. Both girls contemplated suicide together and vowed to do so before a certain age. HEAVENLY CREATURES, one of my favorite movies, btw, was the opposite situation. Two girls wanted to be together so bad they killed someone else.

  • Anonymous

    LOL ain’t no picnic here yet either, sweet pea.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Why HEAVENLY CREATURES? Those girls were obsessive, but they didn’t ever plan on killing themselves or form any type of suicide pact.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I mention that, but like another young suicide in which people started pointing out bullying as the cause, the note left behind by the person never mentioned it. Not saying neither of these girls were picked on, but it doesn’t sound like bullying led them to suicide as much as thier just not fitting in. Big difference to me.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not easy to reach out, either. If you go to someone like a parent and tell them “I’m feeling x because y and also z,” there’s a chance they’ll turn on you.* It’s a matter of making yourself even more vulnerable when you’re already feeling that way.

    *I’m not saying the parents of these two girls would have done this, I’m just saying that my own parents did this. Not everyone has trustworthy parents, and parents you can’t trust (usually the ones who claim they’re the only ones who really care about you) will make you unable to trust any adult.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not easy to reach out, either. If you go to someone like a parent and tell them “I’m feeling x because y and also z,” there’s a chance they’ll turn on you.* It’s a matter of making yourself even more vulnerable when you’re already feeling that way.

    *I’m not saying the parents of these two girls would have done this, I’m just saying that my own parents did this. Not everyone has trustworthy parents, and parents you can’t trust (usually the ones who claim they’re the only ones who really care about you) will make you unable to trust any adult.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not easy to reach out, either. If you go to someone like a parent and tell them “I’m feeling x because y and also z,” there’s a chance they’ll turn on you.* It’s a matter of making yourself even more vulnerable when you’re already feeling that way.

    *I’m not saying the parents of these two girls would have done this, I’m just saying that my own parents did this. Not everyone has trustworthy parents, and parents you can’t trust (usually the ones who claim they’re the only ones who really care about you) will make you unable to trust any adult.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not easy to reach out, either. If you go to someone like a parent and tell them “I’m feeling x because y and also z,” there’s a chance they’ll turn on you.* It’s a matter of making yourself even more vulnerable when you’re already feeling that way.

    *I’m not saying the parents of these two girls would have done this, I’m just saying that my own parents did this. Not everyone has trustworthy parents, and parents you can’t trust (usually the ones who claim they’re the only ones who really care about you) will make you unable to trust any adult.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not easy to reach out, either. If you go to someone like a parent and tell them “I’m feeling x because y and also z,” there’s a chance they’ll turn on you.* It’s a matter of making yourself even more vulnerable when you’re already feeling that way.

    *I’m not saying the parents of these two girls would have done this, I’m just saying that my own parents did this. Not everyone has trustworthy parents, and parents you can’t trust (usually the ones who claim they’re the only ones who really care about you) will make you unable to trust any adult.

  • pikeman

    Here too. It won’t stop. The snow and the suicides. Suicides among teenagers is behttp://missoulian.com/news/opinion/editorial/article_d76152f0-5a10-11e0-982a-001cc4c002e0.htmlcoming epidemic.

  • pikeman

    Here too. It won’t stop. The snow and the suicides. Suicides among teenagers is behttp://missoulian.com/news/opinion/editorial/article_d76152f0-5a10-11e0-982a-001cc4c002e0.htmlcoming epidemic.

  • Anonymous

    I hear what you are saying. I am not blaming anyone. When I was in high school we had a number of suicides.

    The counselor told the students that if they were sad it is okay to confide in an adult (it doesn’t have to be a parent) or another student or friend.

    The counselor told us never to discount a friend’s sad feelings when they confide in us. It is best to say, “I am sorry you are feeling this way. Is there anything I can do to help. I am always glad to listen to you and very much value our friendship.”

    I still think that was extremely good advise.

  • Athena

    Some research has suggested (or found, depending on how you view it) that suicide is contagious, for lack of a better term. They’ve found that communities that have no suicides will continue to have no suicides (generally), but that, once there’s a suicide, it can set off a ripple effect. They focused on teenagers, I do believe, and it would make sense, as teenagers are just the wrong combination of easily-influenced and impulsive.

  • Anonymous

    “The pain left behind for the many who loved them is greater than they felt as two individuals.”

    Really? How could you possibly even know? It’s a different kind of pain felt by those who have wanted to end their lives. I’ve had people in the past say “that is the most selfish thing you could do” and it is one thing you shouldn’t say to someone in that situation. They are being the selfish assholes for wanting to keep a person around who hates life just so they don’t have to be sad. Sure you will miss the person. For example: Say you have a friend with AIDS. They are very sickly, can not gain weight, in severe pain, physical distress, etc. If they died you would likely say “I will miss him/her but I am so happy s/he’s not in pain any longer.” Just a double standard is all. It’s an illness in the brain and is not recognized the same as disabling physical conditions. We are often treated like exaggerators, drama king/queen, a downer, crazy, etc. Just being treated like that alone is enough to make someone go over the edge. Also, seeking help doesn’t always work. I went through SO many shrinks before I found one I liked. Not everyone can luck out and just go to whoever. Now I don’t have insurance so I have nada hahaha. C’est la vie.

    Sorry! I went off on a big tangent. I guess I was trying to cover all bases as to why that statement bothered me lol.

  • Anonymous

    p.s. I’m not suicidal currently lol. I’m doing pretty well actually. Well, I have some sucky poison ivy, but ya know. Just wanted to add that before someone started wondering.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    People who think seasonal depression is a joke should try living with us.
    I LITERALLY CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE. I NEED SUN!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    People who think seasonal depression is a joke should try living with us.
    I LITERALLY CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE. I NEED SUN!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I live in between three reservations. I know. :( It’s not easy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I live in between three reservations. I know. :( It’s not easy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I live in between three reservations. I know. :( It’s not easy.

  • Parrot Toes

    Oh pfft….. Come to Canada. The land of snow and ice (and polar bears). THEN you can bang your heads on the wall.

  • Parrot Toes

    Oh pfft….. Come to Canada. The land of snow and ice (and polar bears). THEN you can bang your heads on the wall.

  • Parrot Toes

    Oh pfft….. Come to Canada. The land of snow and ice (and polar bears). THEN you can bang your heads on the wall.

  • Parrot Toes

    Oh pfft….. Come to Canada. The land of snow and ice (and polar bears). THEN you can bang your heads on the wall.

  • Anonymous

    Persons with terminal illnesses are different. People who can seek help (professional or through friends) can often find solace through working with another human being or with the miracle drugs that professionals can use to help the depressed. Those who loved these people will never find solace and this will flow through generations.

    So get off your high horse and think through your gush.

  • Anonymous

    Persons with terminal illnesses are different. People who can seek help (professional or through friends) can often find solace through working with another human being or with the miracle drugs that professionals can use to help the depressed. Those who loved these people will never find solace and this will flow through generations.

    So get off your high horse and think through your gush.

  • Anonymous

    See a doctor when you need to and just know that all emotions are fleeting and all emotions are necessary in order to be a human being.

  • Parrot Toes

    I actually like the winter. It’s less stressful (no thunderstorms = no tornadoes) and the sun isn’t as bright. so my headaches aren’t as bad.

  • Parrot Toes

    I actually like the winter. It’s less stressful (no thunderstorms = no tornadoes) and the sun isn’t as bright. so my headaches aren’t as bad.

  • Parrot Toes

    I do focus on life and on living. Everyday is a sort of survival for me. I could be having a good day (good for me just means that it’s not bad, I never have jump-for-joy days), then be driving to the grocery store and “pop”, I start thinking, no fantasizing, about how simple it would be to just press pedal to medal and slam into a pole or city bus or whatever. If I’m driving over a bridge, I always imagine driving off of it. Of course, there is the possibility that I would survive, perhaps as a paraplegic, and that would be worse than now, I also wouldn’t want to hurt anyone. I can do anything without imagining the relief I could get from dying.

    Though, I do get what you mean by surviving. I think if I needed to live the way of survival off the land, like over a century ago or whatever, I would still feel this way. It’s in my brain.

  • Anonymous

    Find solace….right. You don’t think terminal patients aren’t on medications or seek out support groups and professionals? Some mental disorders can be terminal…no matter how hard the person may try to get better. It’s not something people CHOOSE to have. Why don’t you consider that it’s a mental disorder…so you telling me or whoever else who fits in the category to think through the gush is pretty stupid since it requires….aw fuck it. Unless you’ve been there, you will never know and no matter what I say, it won’t sink in.

  • Parrot Toes

    I absolutely get this. See my comment I just posted above a bit. I have gone through so many shrinks, it’s frustrating. Most of them were counter-productive. I finally found one some 6 years ago, and what do I do? Sabotaged it. Miss appointments until finally he dropped me (and I am usually really good about going to appointments, just not the important ones for me). I get into a mindset that there is nothing wrong, it’s all me, the drama others talk about – they must be right. Now, I’m on medications that I can’t get off of because of the severe withdrawals from missing even one dose. It’s been likened to be worse than someone coming off of cocaine. In a way it’s good, because it’s the only reason that I keep taking them, but I am a different person now. But I have also developed a fear of losing my pills/not being able to afford them/someone stealing them. I literally think I would die without them. All those people who think their pain of losing me would be greater than what I have felt most of my life, don’t understand at all. I don’t blame them though.

  • Anonymous

    How do you know where I have been?

  • Anonymous

    How do you know where I have been?

  • Parrot Toes

    Thelma and Louise. That’s the movie your comment reminded me of.

  • Parrot Toes

    Thelma and Louise. That’s the movie your comment reminded me of.

  • Parrot Toes

    Thelma and Louise. That’s the movie your comment reminded me of.

  • Parrot Toes

    Thelma and Louise. That’s the movie your comment reminded me of.

  • Parrot Toes

    Thelma and Louise. That’s the movie your comment reminded me of.

  • Parrot Toes

    Yeah, I agree with Morbid. I don’t see their suicide as being a result of bullying. Not to say that one or both of them didn’t get bullied, I just don’t think that was the icing on the cake for these two girls.

  • Anonymous

    I’m on meds too and am a different person, but somewhat better person. I don’t want to live like that again. I know what you mean about the meds. I ran out twice and that was a BAD move. I went completely psycho…worse than before meds lol. The withdrawl symptoms are nasty. I am also afraid of running out and/or not having the money. I am in exactly that spot right now. No insurance so I either go to and pay for the office visit to continue getting my med refills….or use the money to buy the meds. I am trying to get them to do more refills before I cancel my monday appointment. I can’t afford a visit and meds. I know I wouldn’t be here today unless I had/have them and I’m scared of what to do (what may happen) in the next few months (financially). *hug*

  • Anonymous

    I’m on meds too and am a different person, but somewhat better person. I don’t want to live like that again. I know what you mean about the meds. I ran out twice and that was a BAD move. I went completely psycho…worse than before meds lol. The withdrawl symptoms are nasty. I am also afraid of running out and/or not having the money. I am in exactly that spot right now. No insurance so I either go to and pay for the office visit to continue getting my med refills….or use the money to buy the meds. I am trying to get them to do more refills before I cancel my monday appointment. I can’t afford a visit and meds. I know I wouldn’t be here today unless I had/have them and I’m scared of what to do (what may happen) in the next few months (financially). *hug*

  • Anonymous

    All I know is that you haven’t been to the place many others, including myself, have been.

  • Anonymous

    All I know is that you haven’t been to the place many others, including myself, have been.

  • Anonymous

    You’re sure about that?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    My fibromyalgia is so much worse in winter. And then spring here is so bipolar… it’s winter, it’s summer, it’s winter, it’s summer… Ugh. Makes me crazy!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    My fibromyalgia is so much worse in winter. And then spring here is so bipolar… it’s winter, it’s summer, it’s winter, it’s summer… Ugh. Makes me crazy!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    My fibromyalgia is so much worse in winter. And then spring here is so bipolar… it’s winter, it’s summer, it’s winter, it’s summer… Ugh. Makes me crazy!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I completely believe it. Seen it happen at my high school and almost became one of the statistics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I completely believe it. Seen it happen at my high school and almost became one of the statistics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I completely believe it. Seen it happen at my high school and almost became one of the statistics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I completely believe it. Seen it happen at my high school and almost became one of the statistics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I completely believe it. Seen it happen at my high school and almost became one of the statistics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I completely believe it. Seen it happen at my high school and almost became one of the statistics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I completely believe it. Seen it happen at my high school and almost became one of the statistics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    I completely believe it. Seen it happen at my high school and almost became one of the statistics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKSJ42VBXNAFJLOH54Y3K4KTXU Heather Habilatory

    Dude. ND = South Canada.

  • Parrot Toes

    Cool beans, except I’m in Central Canada and used to be in Northern.

  • Parrot Toes

    That is ignorance talking. It’s OK, I don’t blame you because you just don’t understand. You couldn’t possibly begin to imagine people on this side, even if we do have help and support. It isn’t always because of depression either, that is a misconception. I suffer from bouts of depression, but I am not always depressed. Yet, I always fantasize about the relief I would get from death.

  • Parrot Toes

    I am absolutely sure about that, otherwise you would understand people who crave death even without being depressed or highly stressed or going through a highly emotional breakup or any other fleeting moment emotions. My craving for death has nothing to do with emotions.

  • Parrot Toes

    I am absolutely sure about that, otherwise you would understand people who crave death even without being depressed or highly stressed or going through a highly emotional breakup or any other fleeting moment emotions. My craving for death has nothing to do with emotions.

  • Parrot Toes

    I am absolutely sure about that, otherwise you would understand people who crave death even without being depressed or highly stressed or going through a highly emotional breakup or any other fleeting moment emotions. My craving for death has nothing to do with emotions.

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s just the situation of the two girls, best friends because of their illnesses (bullying) and bad shit happens that made me think of it.

    It’s been a long time since I’ve seen Ginger Snaps, though. I’ll take your word that its closer.

  • Southern Lady

    Yes, that’s right. And in Ginger Snaps Back, Ginger kept visiting her sister even though she was dead. “Together forever.”

  • Anonymous

    You have no idea what I have been through in my life, but thank-you for your judgement.

  • Anonymous

    You have no idea what I have been through in my life, but thank-you for your judgement.

  • Parrot Toes

    No, you are right. I don’t know what you have been through in your life. I am not trying to minimize whatever that may have been though. But, you have to realize that your experiences do not make YOU an expert on other matters. Here is what you said earlier:

    See a doctor when you need to and just know that all emotions are fleeting and all emotions are necessary in order to be a human being.

    That statement there tells me that you haven’t got a clue to what pain4anangel or I are trying to tell you. What we go through is NOT fixable by simply going to see a doctor or rationalizing that the emotions are fleeting. Yes, sometimes it may help, but nothing will ever take away our issue except death. I am not trying to offend you or minimize your issues. I am simply trying to point out that it isn’t as simple as you have stated that you KNOW it is. You obviously don’t know if that is what you think.

  • Anonymous

    Not once did I say these situations are fixable. I inferred they are manageable.

    Regarding me: you don’t know what you are talking about.

  • Parrot Toes

    This is like banging heads against a wall – for both of us.

    Dropped.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t disagree with any of that, JohnQ. I was just popping up a different perspective. It seems the only people who knew what was up with these two girls was the two girls themselves, and they were encouraging each other in the (IMO) wrong direction.

    My best friend, on the other hand, encouraged me to call a treatment center and drove me there. Which is why I’m not dead, and she’s still my best friend.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, you two. I was on a SSRI to get me over a “hump” and stop the constant panic attacks. Once I was over it and feeling better, I was hooked. “They’re not addictive” my ass.

    There are a lot of websites with information about tapering off your meds, but tapering off requires that you actually have medication in your possession, which is not easy when you can’t afford them or the office visit required to get them.

    I was able to get off of mine only because I hadn’t taken them for very long (only about a year; I also went cold turkey, which was DUMB), and it was pretty rough sailing. Best of luck to both of you.

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad you through down your pride and reached out to another human and that as a result you are still alive.

    I can understand your comment about the two girls feeding off each other… very sad.

  • Anonymous

    Very good point.

    Reminded me of how the emotions in an office scenario can be spread to other members in the office.

  • Anonymous

    Very good point.

    Reminded me of how the emotions in an office scenario can be spread to other members in the office.

  • Parrot Toes

    Tapering off for me could take 3+ years. It involves opening the capsules that contain 2 different coloured beads. I would need to remove 1 of each colour each week. I am on a very high dose, that I have found out is usually only administered with psych patients. Fun. I don’t have the luxury of not being able to afford the pills because the withdrawal is so severe, I probably would kill myself. I hear things, I get extremely angry, I get massive brain zaps, my blood pressure skyrockets, I can NOT sit still, and many other things. It’s actually very scary. It’s not so much an addiction to them as it is a dependance because of the withdrawal. I would definitely need to be hospitalized if I didn’t have my meds because I would be afraid of what I could do. Scary scary shit.

    I wish I knew about this before I started taking them, but I was in such a bad place at that time, it probably wouldn’t have made a difference.

  • Anonymous

    The problem with psych meds is that sometimes the doctors that prescribe them don’t even know about them. Sure, they know the names of the drugs and sometimes the proper dosing and whatever they can get from the PDR, but they have no idea of the side effects besides dizziness, nausea and dry mouth. The other side effects are pretty much relegated to the internet, reported by people who have taken the drug and experienced them.

    And a 3+ year taper = UGH. I wish I had some insight on that, but all I have is the memory of my own withdrawal with the zaps and hallucinations and shit. All I can offer you is my sympathy.

  • Anonymous

    Well said.

  • Anonymous

    Well said again :o)

  • Anonymous

    Well said again :o)

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for sharing

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for sharing

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for sharing

  • Anonymous

    I know if I never started taking them, I wouldn’t be here. I also know that when I experienced the withdrawl, not only did I want to drive my car off the road, but I didn’t care if I took others with me. My dogs were barking (as dogs do) and I wanted to kick the shit out of them. Instead, I punched my metal desk lol. At least I had enough common sense to do that instead. I never want to hurt others….wait lol…I never want to hurt another because I am hurting. Being a cutter doesn’t help matters either. I was scared out of my mind.

    I know I don’t want to live my life without taking them and I’m ok with that. I tried that route too many times. My meds aren’t even that expensive, but I’m not working and disability hasn’t made a decision yet, so I have zero income. Living off my retirement funds and when that runs out I’m screwed.

    Btw, I couldn’t get them to call those refills in because they told me to ask him for scripts at my appointment on Monday. UGH!

  • Anonymous

    Whenever people tell me their family doctor prescribed them their psych meds, I flip out. Only a psychiatrist should prescribe them. What I never understood though is the fact your shrink knows more about you and your illness, but can’t prescribe medication. The person who does prescribe it only knows a little bit. I don’t agree with that arrangement.

  • Parrot Toes

    Yeah, when my withdrawal is really bad, I have to lock myself in my room. Everyone knows to leave me alone. I punch my pillows, throw stuff, cut, burn, whatever I need to do until it passes. It’s crazy and I hate it.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, not trying to make a mean joke, have you tried any medicine? A regular doc can prescribe for you and there are many generics which range from $3-9.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t trust anyone’s opinion of what meds you should be on. Be an educated consumer and DO your own research and a lot of it. There is plenty of good information out there. And as far as meds go http://www.xubex.com. Many meds are very cheap there, and they have meds other than psych meds. It is a reputable site that will come up when you look for Patient Assistance programs. As far as withdrawals- be sure to do a slow taper, and research the half life of the drug. Good luck to all.

  • Anonymous

    Not sure what state you live in- but if your finances are that tight you MAY qualify for some type of general assistance from the government. In our state they have mental health clinics that see patients on a sliding scale as well. Please do look into them if you have not- that is what they are there for.

  • Anonymous

    Yup I’m on 4 of them and actually they are pretty cheap considering. I get the 3 mo supply at a time so they are even cheaper. Only problem is the cost of the doctor’s visits lol.

  • Anonymous

    I am in Ohio. Unfortunately because I do not have children, am not elderly, and have not been declared disabled yet, I don’t qualify for anything financial. If I pop out some kids, then I can get help and that’s the last thing I need right now lol. We have clinics too. Mental and regular physicans. They are either completely ghetto or impossible to get into. Thank you for your input though. Much appreciated.

  • hookerpie

    This story is so sad. I will never understand how a person could actually go through with suicide. I’ve thought about it myself but could never take it beyond my thoughts. Its horrible and if these girls really where being bullied then whats gonna happen to them bullies. To many times we hear of these young suicides as a result of being bullied. I had 2 scary older sisters so I didnt get bullied. I wasnt a bully so I dont know what goes through a bullies mind. But I do know that it takes a bully to raise a bully. These kids are a product of what they have been taught and seen. As a mother of two, 8 and 3 I dont know what I would do if something happen to them, let alone them do it to themselves or each other. It would break me. I’m so scared of never being able to see them again. I often wonder about my 8 year old. She just seems so miserable most of the time. She hates her little sister and sometimes I think she hates me. She dont talk to me about things and gets an attitude when I ask her about things. I would hope I know her enough to know if she was having horrible thoughts, but without her input I can only guess. I feel like I am losing grip and thought maybe I should send her to her dad she how she likes it there, but then I feel she might think I am just sending her away cause I dont want her anymore. I feel like I cant win with her and if I dont get to her soon its gonna be to late. I cant imagine being a child-teenager in this day and age. With the way people perceive the world, and all thats going on. Im scared for my girls. People are so mean and heartless. If I knew then what I know now –I LOVE my girls– but I would pass on having children. I feel bad for putting them through all the bullshit that makes up this earth. I wont be able to protect them forever. I just hope in my lifetime I never have to bury one of my children or their children. Prayers to the families and friend of these two beautiful girls.

    Sorry for the book–I wouldnt read it either

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/BTYN5SIVHWNRENFLKYBXYNVYVE Avie

    Yes, I know what you’re talking about. I feel that way often. Well, only if I forget to take my antidepressants for two days in a row. It scares my family horribly when I lose track of the days and forget my meds. But it feels exactly how you described–the pointless nature of life, the hopelessness. Like hope and happiness don’t *really* exist, I’m the only one who knows it and everyone else is clueless, lost in their own illusion. Nothing bad will be happening, but there’s this sense of, “why bother?”

    Physiologically, the reason for this is quite simple. My brain doesn’t properly use the chemical serotonin. It gets released, but reabsorbed too quickly to do any good. The medicine I take keeps it from being reabsorbed too quickly and allows me to reap the benefit. Which means that even though I still know my existence is still meaningless in the grand scheme, I don’t really care because I’m feeling good.

    I feel bad for these girls’ parents…I don’t think I could handle it if my son left me, especially if it was his decision to leave so permanently. No medication could ever make me feel happy again. I really would have no good reasons left. No parent should ever outlive their child. It isn’t natural, it isn’t right.

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