Vancouver Woman In Serious Condition After Having Acid Thrown In Her Face

Wow. How random. How very scary.

Thank goodness she didn’t drink the stuff cause she’d be dead. I hope they catch the evil bitch that did this.

Where do people get this fast acting acid? With this happining a lot these days it must be easy to get.

This woman is going to do it again.

WOW, she was wearing sunglasses that she had just bought! What a stroke of luck….the sunglasses that is. This world really scares me anymore. I hope they catch this crazy nut. It’s just a shame that her punishment won’t be a cup of acid to the face.

Her punishment should be to drink a cup of acid.

Can you imagine the response from the “so called” civil rights leaders if the victim would have been black and the attacker would have been white. Hypocrisy and double standard. I hope this person is caught quickly and incarcerated. Although, it may surprise many of you, I am a devout Christian, and a daily reader of this site. I will be praying for this young woman and her family as well as the attacker and her family. And for the record, my favorite quote from one of the regular contributors is “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” May God Bless and Keep all of you!

I wonder if this was random or if she was the particular target. Give some meth head $100.00 and a cup of draino and point Bethany out. But maybe I read too many books.

What is that gibberish after my name where the time usually goes. Looks arabic or something.

LOL!

Just because you said that, I’ll refrain.

You might be on to something, here. I’d start looking at the meth offenders first because they buy their acids in bulk.

You might be on to something, here. I’d start looking at the meth offenders first because they buy their acids in bulk.

Going by race alone, it counts if the victim is black and the assailant is white.

Here, we have a black assailant and a white or latino victim. Because the roles are reversed, it wouldn’t count as a hate crime.

Okay… just stop with the hate crime statements, folks. You might be surprised to know that black people are charged with a disproportionately HIGH number of hate crimes against whites, so, clearly, what you THINK about hate crime application is a bit misguided.

Now, here’s the thing about hate crimes. The race of the attacker vs. the race of the victim doesn’t matter so much. My lily-white ass could go beat up a black chick tomorrow, but I won’t automatically be charged with a hate crime. No, prosecutors must prove that race was a motivating factor for the attack – i.e. did I tell people I was looking for a black person to assault? Did I use racial slurs during the attack?

That is why, as it stands currently, there’s no talk of hate crime classification. There’s no proof race was a motivating factor.

It is, technically. But black on white crime isn’t identified in the media and by law enforcement as a hate crime as swiftly as white on black crime.

………..thats America !

Disfiguring a victim like this is a personal vendetta. Random cases like this a few and far. Someone really wanted to hurt this lady and was to chicken-shit to do it themselves.

I have a feeling.

Hate crimes don’t apply to White people, when they are the victim. It’s only used in favor of the “oppressed” minorities. Now if this victim is a Jew, then it will be considered a hate crime.

Could be. Then again, some people are just completely insane.

Very true.

I think classifying some crimes as more sever than others is a poor idea. We would not need hate crime laws if sentencing was more sever in ALL violent crimes.

Have you any idea how much you rouse my stalker tendencies??? Or how you elicit daydreams of myself sliding down a chimney for you?? huh huh do you??:-D

I couldn’t agree more. What makes “hate” more egregious than greed or jealousy or any of the other myriad motivations for violent crime?

Violence sucks, period. To attribute sentencing “enhancements” to hate exclusively just perpetuates racial tension (as evidenced by this very thread).

You telling Athena to educate herself is hilarious. Seriously. Almost as funny as you starting a sentence saying prosecutors don’t have to prove a damn thing and then ending the same sentence by saying they just use allegations and evidence to prove their case. Been awhile since I have seen someone contradict themselves in one sentence without realizing it. You should pat yourself on the back.

I’m trying my ass off to grow up, Boughtthefarm. I’m turning 28 next Tuesday… Maybe that will help?

In the meantime, in the interest of full disclosure, you should know that I interned for a public defense attorney in Palo Alto, CA. I sat next to the defense attorney during trial. I lunched with the D.A. and various judges during the off-time. I helped with jury selection and researched, researched, researched. In other words, I’m about as educated about court proceedings as someone could be short of being a lawyer themselves (it was actually my experience there that drove me to choose another profession – it’s more crooked a system than I wanted to believe).

And, since you favor education so much, you may be interested to hear that prosecutors do indeed have to prove their allegations – “beyond a reasonable doubt”, no less. In fact, the term used to describe a prosecutor’s responsibility is “burden of PROOF”.

I am curious about one thing, though… What was it about my post that rubbed you the wrong way enough to make it personal and tell me to “grow the hell up”? I’ve looked back and I just don’t see what’s so abrasive about it.

It was crazy shit, I really feel for that woman that got burned. Also, I disagreed with what some others wrote and said that I didn’t think it was a hate crime, unless some ugly woman hurting someone pretty because their jealous is a hate crime. For the record, I agree with you. When someone maliciously harms someone else it is a crime, plain and simple. It’s our government that put the stigma of “hate crime” on any racial crime. I don’t agree with that, it just causes unnecessary problems and adds to racism.

“You should pat yourself on the back. ”

Hard to do with da foot in da mouth…

Or, as some of us say, “America.”

Where’d you get that info? Glenn Beck? Stormfront.org? Clearly not the FBI website. Clearly not the Department of Justice website. Because if you did some REAL research instead of just parroting this b.s., you’d know that your “information” is flat-out wrong.

Finally, a post that makes sense. Phew.

Ah. I disagree with you both on this. Read the legal philosophy behind hate crimes legislation, and maybe you’ll be convinced–or maybe not. But I sure was.

As for it perpetuating racial tension, let’s not underestimate the extent to which the kinds of people that would post the kinds of things that have been posted on this thread would post those kinds of things regardless. They’d just take another avenue to do it. Same with hate crime laws protecting gays and lesbians.

My only real complaint about hate crime laws is that if they’re going to exist, there should be one for women. Many killers and indeed many rapists say that they do what they do simply because they hate women. So vile.

Boughtthefarm, give it up. There is no reason at this point–NONE–to think that this woman assaulted this other woman because of race.

Maybe the next time one of my students says, “I think this book is by Milton” when in fact the title page clearly says it’s by Shakespeare, I’ll just say, “oh, well, since you sense that, then maybe you see something I don’t.” Oh, wait, that doesn’t make sense. HUH.

I disagree – I think she was very pretty. This is so sad and horrible. My heart goes out to her. It’s just unbelievably horrifying that someone could just randomly do this to someone else. A woman approaching with a cup. . . . . one more thing to worry about. . . (sigh).

Now, now Athena….. You seem to forget, that the number of known offenders listed on the FBI web site does not indicate they are actually known individually, but that there are factors about them that are known. Read, “The Myths That Divide Us” and you will see what I mean.

I’m not getting my information from anywhere other than daily news reporting. I tend to hear phrases like “ruling out hate crime” for black victims (or homosexual, or other minority) when the perpetrator is white/hetero.

My posts were sarcastic, because any person can be victim of a hate crime. It’s just that the burden of proof is just *that little bit* higher if you’re not from a minority group.

I apologize for not catching any sarcasm, so please forgive on that account if I did. Some of the posts on this thread really started to run together for me.

It’s only a HATE crime, by legal definition, if a crime was committed because of race rather than some other factor (such as the desire to steal someone’s purse). So, it’s ruled out if there isn’t evidence to show that it was a hate crime.

But please see the stats I posted below…honestly, the FBI or the Department of Justice websites are the places to go to really find out stats on crimes (and other things).

p.s. I know what you’re saying, but the fact is that more black people are victims of hate crimes than white people. And gay people are victims of more hate crimes than straight people (indeed, I’m kind of chuckling thinking about the idea of gay people going around beating up straight people for being straight). So, there are certain expectations that develop from the reality that exists.

Law enforcement is not really full of people who are terribly P. C.

If hate crimes were committed more often against white people than they are, instead of against black people by white people as they usually are, then people would be more likely to expect that crimes by blacks against white were hate crimes instead of, say, robberies.

You just said on your other post that they are NOT blind to race or class. And now you are saying they ARE blind to it? Which is it? Are you being sarcastic or serious this time?

Interesting that you should bring class into it. Are you actually going to try to say that the law (much less law enforcement) favors POOR people rather than WEALTHY people? I hope not, because if so that would mean that you’re nuts.

As for the Duke Lacrosse case, do whatever you want with it. But taking it out of context will not help your argument, if you are trying to make one (You really don’t give any clues as to when you’re being sarcastic or serious). Some important things to know about that case are (a) The D. A. wanted a big sensational case, to make a name for himself. (b) That town has been rife eons with privileged kids at Duke being cruddy to poor townies, so there’s a historical context. (c) And, because it’s in a town where many, many people who are not even all that old were still alive during Jim Crow segregation, there’s a historical context and legacy of white on black shittiness (d) Oh, and, by the way, it WAS clear to anyone following the case with any real attention (not just by watching the news occasionally) that the woman was actually abused at least to some extent.

Oh, and, if you didn’t get my point or Athena’s with the FBI stats, looking at one case is nothing–if you really do actually want to know the big picture.

Hey, that was funny. Yeah, I need one of those fonts, too!

No, the government doesn’t put the stigma of hate crime on any racial crime. That’s just not true, sorry.

Personally, I support the legal philosophy of the hate crime designation if someone is hurt specifically BECAUSE of their race, or sexuality, or religion. And I don’t think it adds to racism, homophobia, or religious intolerance. It addresses and redresses those things, in my opinion.

“Can you imagine the response from the “so called” civil rights leaders if the victim would have been black and the attacker would have been white.”

WTF?? Yes, I can imagine it. They would not have said a goddamn thing about it, because nothing about this that we know of suggests it was a hate crime.

Thanks. I didn’t feel I was being accused of anything. I just felt I should say something because my name was brought up, that’s all. Just wanted to clarify where I stand on this site. I think it’s great that most of the people here stick up for the victims and ridicule the criminals. Of course, there are always a few exceptions, there’s always a few bad apples in the bunch.

Thanks. I didn’t feel I was being accused of anything. I just felt I should say something because my name was brought up, that’s all. Just wanted to clarify where I stand on this site. I think it’s great that most of the people here stick up for the victims and ridicule the criminals. Of course, there are always a few exceptions, there’s always a few bad apples in the bunch.

If all violent crimes had a substantially harsher sentence then women would be on equal footing with the hate crime victims as would be all victims of violent crime. Hate crime enhancements seem like putting your finger in a leaking damn. I still think ALL violent crime should face much harsher penalties.

Not to play overly sensitive whiner but I’m a christian, and I dont think this was what we define as a hate crime (it was hateful though.. evil too).. No, I think its more likely that either this woman knew her victim/thought she knew her victim (mistaken identity) or it was some random nutjob doing something horrible to someone else.. Maybe the attacker DOES have something against women she feels are more attractive than she is.. If there aren’t any more reports of acid attacks in that area I’m inclined to believe the mistaken identity or familiarity angle..

Wow…I was just thinking…whos man did she mess with? lol

Really K?! Really! LOL.

I only I did that because you were the last post and did not in any way want you to feel as though you were the one that brought that thought to my mind. I have no intension of being disrespectful *unless it is needed*. :.) Plus, I like you.

How about you just take a couple minutes to thoroughly explain your position? I mean, you’ve gotta admit, asking someone to procure then read an entire book to better understand a point make casually in less than a paragraph is a bit unreasonable, yeah?

I’ll still read the book, because I love recommendations, especially the controversial type, but I say you pony up right now and make it worth my while.

Legally, a hate crime is only a hate crime if the “hated” party is a member of a protected group. White people aren’t a protected group, so if a black person attacks a white out of hatred of white people, it is not a hate crime.

That’s just the law… and it is why hate crime legislation makes no sense as it exists today.

lol… clueless.

“Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person’s protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity…”

Note the use of the word “protected.” Caucasians are not a “protected” group.

Reading on the subject, and reading the actual laws, most of the information out there is pretty vague. But in practice, the victim must be a member of a so-called protected group and have the crime committed against them because of their membership in this protected group for hate crime legislation to apply. If a white person hits a black person because they hate blacks, that is a hate crime. If a black person hits a white person because they hate whites, that legally is not a hate crime.

I seriously hope they catch this shit-throwing chimp slut and throw the book at her. Thank God this girl doesn’t appear as if she’ll be seriously disfigured.

To me, I do think this is a random incident. Some dumb woman who has a shit job, or an abusive boyfriend, or didn’t get hugged enough as a child that goes out and targets innocent people because she is unable or unwilling to hurt the true target of her aggression.

That kind of mentality fuels a lot of serial criminals. When I was a lil guy I was a prolific vandal, to me it was a way to sublimate my anger against being a helpless kid or whatever. I can understand the mentality, to an extent.

I feel as if it is the same phenomenon at work when a woman goes into Wal-Mart and curses out her cashier for no good reason, because she’s had a rough day.

Sometimes I just cannot believe the level of ignorance that graces these comments.I’m sure some of you are real nice people, but damn you should really think twice before posting. Maybe think three times. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

“Because law enforcement isn’t influenced by outside civil-political groups, they do their job blind to race or class”

Maybe if we were on a site that swept the atrocities of society under the rug and only told of kumbaya and sunshine and rainbows with pretty unicorns flying across dropping glitter on its readers then I can understand that statement or how you could have rationally came to the conclusion that I even suggested complete objectivity with law enforcement officials and officers of the court. But I didn’t and I truly don’t believe there was anything in my post to suggest otherwise except in saying that based on what was on the article alone, regardless of the victim and perpetrators race, it would not qualify as a hate-crime.

Please feel free to re-read the Duke Lacrosse case as it stands the entire thing was found to be unsubstantiated so even if someone *cough the unethical prosecutor who saw an opportunity to advance his career regardless of was hurt in the process* suggested it was a hate-crime nothing can come of it because there was nothing there.

Don't confuse him with the facts. He'd rather get his information from whatever latter day version of The Turner Diaries he's talking about.

Right on. Thank you aka jas. *blush*

Don’t try to read above your grade level next time, Tar_Baby. You might hurt yourself.

I only said that because the government established the hate crime laws. It’s a touchy subject all the way around. As you can see, something that had nothing to do with a “hate crime” stirred this debate up. It is a touchy subject and I think violent crimes should be treated the same, it shouldn’t matter what race you are. That is only my opinion, that’s all. meant for that to be a reply to sugarglider1. Dammit, I shouldn’t get on here when I’m drinking. Goodniught.

That’s cool, man. There are reasonable-minded and intelligent people who don’t think society benefits from hate crimes legislation, and there are reasonable-minded and intelligent people who think we do. It would take more energy than I have at the moment to fully explain my reasoning and my position on this particular matter.

Enjoy your drink! I’m having a white wine spritzer myself (weak, I know…).

You know I might not mind being stuck in a chimney with you.

I’ll keep that in mind next time i’m in a fight with a cracker.

Well, your comment was absolutely correct: if the woman did it because she hated her for being white, then it would indeed be a hate crime. It’s just that the whole stupid turn of this thread toward the irrelevant is maddening. it would sure be nice if people would show this victim some respect by focusing on the facts of the story. From the facts that are known, I agree, it sure does seem like random act–by a crazy person, not by a racially motivated person. I was just now reading another article about the attack, and apparently the acid-throwing bitch “seemed to be enraged” when she did it. Sounds like a lunatic to me.

I hope they catch this dangerous fucker soon. In the meantime, if I lived there, I’d stay out of that particular area.

Well holy-moley, I sure hope you won’t be need those ACID-RESISTANT GLASSES! That would mean there is a serial acid thrower running around.

Great post!

In my dreams, K. :.)

Absolutely. I don’t understand why most of the comments on here are about hate crimes, because this doesn’t seem like one. I was just trying to make a point.

I feel so bad for this lady. It’s so unfair. Her whole life is fucked up because some bitch wanted to act all crazy.

I’ll definitely be needing those glasses. I have to protect my pretty self from ‘shit-throwing chimp sluts’. I even carry a few novels in my car, just in case I have to throw a book at one in defense.

Not likely a Meth head, they dont have a $100.00 just laying around.

I was actually going to use the term ‘chimp sluts’ in the above post,but then. I felt guilty. Now I just feel dirty using it at all. :.D Don’t forget to duck!*chimp slut–a small monkey wearing slutty underwear and hip thrusting. NOT the way I read into it above*

It is convenient and thoughtless to just throw the label of hate crime and racially charged insults for some people. Other than ignorance there really is no reason. You made a point, I understood it.

Hopefully this wont fuck up her whole life. She seems to have a light inside her. I think/hope in the long run she will be ok. without sounding completely lame–Good thoughts go a long way! :.)

Just a couple of things. I’ve read TAR BABYs posts. Most seem intelligent, but I think he or she is a bit of a racist. Vancouver Wa. is sort of a sister city to Portland OR. right across the river and is part of a decent sized urban area.

I get it. Sorry for snapping at you, Nikki. You’re not the problem on this thread. I vented in the wrong place. I apologize.

The FBI disagrees with you.

Thanks, Chris. Sounds like an interesting book, for sure. Definitely a provocative title!

Get a room, y’all. : D

Get a room, y’all. : D

Ahahaha, Shadow! Ka-ching.

Intelligent is being slung around in such a “lose” manner, dontcha think? I do! That was funny headon! Love love love you sugar!

So…hey. Turns out it wasn’t a hate crime peeps – she did it to herself. How’s that for a crazy ending to a whole lot of comments! ::wink wink!:: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/16/washington.acid.attack/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Um. I guess I should have some sympathy for her being an APPARENT LUNATIC, but considering all the community resources she sucked up, I don’t really have it in me. She kinda used up all the sympathy reserves I had for her.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/acid-attack-victim-fake/story?id=11626901

The motivation for why she did it is here, I think, in this article from a few days back when cops began suspecting she was full of shit:

“Storro’s former in-law Pamela Storro came to her defense today [this was back on Sept. 13], calling the allegations that the attack was fabricated ‘insane.’ ‘There is no way ever that she would do anything like this,’ said Pamela Storro. She said the suggestion that Bethany Storro could have thrown the acid in her own face is ‘as hideous as the crime itself.’ On a post on her Facebook page on Friday, which has since been removed, Storro wrote that while she had originally wanted to appear on the show to ‘inspire people and tell them about Jesus,’ she changed her mind.”

So that was the motive? To get leverage for evangelicism? Um. That is NUTS.

Munchausen’s Syndrome is always self inflicted. Your thinking of Munchausen’s Syndrome by proxy, which is when parents hurt their kids or others under their care for attention.

Oh, ha, right. Duh! : D

Sweet. ‘Cause he’ll love her more once she looks like something from Night of the Living Dead! Oh, well, Jeebus will still love her in all her hideous glory. Alright, I’ll stop wildly posting now. I was just floored and went a tad hog wild. Man oh man. She should look on the bright side: she’ll still get plenty of attention now, it just won’t be very nice attention.

Maybe she did it for the love of Jesus. He’s a dude. Of course, he only hung out with his mom, a hooker, and a whole bunch of men in dresses, but that wouldn’t stop a crazy ass like Bitchany.

One more lil thing here to heap on her plate of Shit She Is To Blame For: the “crime” against her spawned a copycat crime in Airzona. That is ALL YOUR FAULT, BITCHANY, so go cry to Jeebus about that, too.

Her parents say they’re going to give back all the donations. Uh, yeah, duh.

I have something else to say to her: “hey, pretty lady, it’s too bad that acid didn’t eat away some of your nose, because honestly it’s too damn big.”

“A Good Citizen MEGA FAIL to the disturbed woman for describing the nonexistent attacker as black.”

. . . .and having accounts at 2 banks for donations, and prompting a copycat attack in AZ, and using 100s of hours of the cops’ time & state budget. . .

On her now-gone Facebook, she quoted Psalm 23. Because I have work to do before bed and I don’t wanna do it, I’m a-gonna help her ass out instead with a revision:

The Lord is not my shepherd; he shall not want fuck-all to do with me, any more than the guy I tried to impress by throwing acid on my face.

Even more than before, no man will maketh me to lie down in green pastures, nor leadeth me beside the still waters.

Unfortunately, the doctors restoreth my nose instead of giving me a free nose job.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of Being A Pathetic Jerk, I will fear no strange black women coming up to me and saying “hey, pretty lady,” and assaulting me, because that never happend any more than any dude’s rod and staff comforting me.

Yea, I wasted the fuck out of everyone’s time, energy, money, and sympathy when I anointest my own head with acid and my cup runneth over.

Surely a lack of credibility shall follow me all the days of my life, in the form of psychtropic drugs: and I will dwell in the house of the mental institution forever, once I get out of jail.

Amen.

Vancouver, Wash. (Reuters) – A woman who dabbed drain cleaner on her own face, then falsely claimed a stranger had splashed her with acid, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to theft by deception for accepting money donated to her for medical care.

Bethany Storro, 28, quietly entered her plea to three counts of the felony-theft charge in a five-minute arraignment before a judge in Vancouver, Washington.

Standing immediately in front of the judge with bright, red scars visible on her face, Storro said little during the hearing except to say she was not guilty when asked for her plea to each charge and that she understood the proceedings.