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Neighbors Outraged After Man Kills Loose Dog Destroying His Livestock

August 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm by Morbid

FINLEY, Wash. – Here’s a story that has people pretty divided. News reports with headlines such as “Pastor slashes puppy’s throat” and “Pastor Admits To Killing Neighbor’s Puppy” have gotten animal dog lovers pretty riled up. The “puppy” in question was a 6-month old Siberian Husky. The dog had gotten loose, made its way on to Pastor David Rea’s property and was in the process of killing his chickens. When none of his neighbors would step in and help stop his livestock from being slaughtered, he jumped into the fray and killed the dog, reportedly with a knife. “Until you’re in there fighting a dog, you don’t know what to do,” said Rea, pastor of Tri-Cities Baptist Church. “You can’t even imagine. It’s a horribly bad deal.” This act has pissed off some neighbors and readers who are condemning what the man did to protect his property. I just know that had he killed a wolf, or cougar, or an alligator, these pissed off people would be praising the pastor’s actions. But because this dog was a pet all of a sudden the rules change? Instead of the nine chickens that got chewed to bits, what if it had been fluffy bunnies, kittens or puppies? What if it had been attacking a child? Do you think we would still be hearing the outcry?

This isn’t the first neighbor who has lost a dog to Rea. Earlier this year Rea shot and killed a black Labrador owned by Bob and JoAnn Fortman. Rea, who says he has a problem with strays, shot the dog as it was running on his property. What he was not aware of was that Bob Fortman was 100 feet behind the dog. Again, the similarity between this killing and the more recent one isn’t just Rea. It’s also the fact that in both cases the dogs were not leashed and were on his property. “He claims to be a man of God,” JoAnn Fortman said, “but I don’t understand that. Men of God don’t do cruel things like that.” The owner of the dead Husky echoed the same sentiments. I found those comments kinda funny…considering that the God she is referring to drowned an entire planet, killed Egypt’s first-born children and destroyed two entire cities. Hell, she’s lucky the pastor didn’t use his teeth to chew the dog’s balls off, wear its entrails like a belt while mounting the dog’s head on the grill of his vehicle. Here’s a news report featuring the owner of the dead dog and a revelation that Rea may have killed a third dog on his property a couple years ago.

Prevent it from happening again? By what, ordering Rea not to kill a dog on his property killing his animals? How about preventing it by making sure your dogs aren’t roaming the neighborhood. Anyway, I am sure I’m in the minority with my opinion on this story, but I said it in our forums and I will say it again. This sounds a lot less like a man hell-bent on killing dogs as it does a bunch of neighbors who have issues keeping their dogs on a leash. It would seem like if you don’t want your dog killed by the owner of the livestock it’s slaughtering, you’d make sure it cannot get loose. (*dons flame retardant suit*)

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Kittyskyfish

Morbid, I agree with you, though I have to add that the Pastor should keep his chickens in a fenced chicken coop. It's kind of asking for trouble to have chickens and their chicks running loose in the yard because other animals, like cats and raccoons, can get to them too.
guillotinegirl

Without his beloved chickens, this poor pastor might be forced to look outside of his flock for sexay times.
Kittyskyfish

But yeah, it doesn't matter if you live in the suburbs or in rural countryside: keep your dogs on your OWN property. It's that simple.
Boughtthefarm

If it were me, I'd have done my best not to kill the dogs, but they were on his property so I cannot blame him. People need to keep their animals at home.
Takoma620

@guillotine: LuLz @ boughtthefarm: I'm betting the pastor DID try his best NOT to kill the dog at first. @morbid : chickens aren't really human but dogs are – guess that's the difference, I guess………….8^)
Takoma620

@guillotine: LuLz @ boughtthefarm: I'm betting the pastor DID try his best NOT to kill the dog at first. @morbid : chickens aren't really human but dogs are – guess that's the difference, I guess………….8^)
Pyncky

I feel bad for the dog owner. No matter how you try to keep them fenced in, some times dogs get out. I don't blame the guy for defending his property either. Personally, I think more people should shoot pastors though.

::laughs and runs away::
Pyncky

I feel bad for the dog owner. No matter how you try to keep them fenced in, some times dogs get out. I don't blame the guy for defending his property either. Personally, I think more people should shoot pastors though.

::laughs and runs away::
frequentguest

I used to live on a farm when I was younger. I have shot several feral cats that were killing chickens (they were in a barn with a fenced area outside) as well as three opossums (again eating chickens). I also had to shoot a neighbors dog. I would tie out my dog while I was taking care of the chickens, to keep him from killing them, went to the barn and within minutes heard the neighbors dog attacking my 12 week old puppy. I fired a warning shot and it didn't stop, so I shot the dog. They called the sheriff, sheriff saw my puppy and where the dog died and said there was nothing he could do. Chickens (depending on breed) can be expensive.
Athena

Well-stated, Morbid. Keep your dogs leashed or fenced, and this would be a non-issue. In Washington, it's state law. You think you can break the law by allowing your dog to roam free, have that dog destroy someone else's property (law #2 broken), and HE should be the bad guy for rectifying the situation?

Jesus, some people are incredibly self-centered.
Sugarglider1

“This isn’t the first neighbor who has lost a dog to Rea. Earlier this year Rea shot and killed a black Labrador owned by Bob and JoAnn Fortman. Rea, who says he has a problem with strays, shot the dog as it was running on his property. What he was not aware of was that Bob Fortman was 100 feet behind the dog.”

I guess pulling a trigger is less work for Pastor Rea than picking up the phone. But if he wants to take it upon himself time and again to shoot whatever wanders along (did the labrador retriever also kill his chickens? no), he's not going to get a whole lot of love in response. As for attacking a dog with a knife, that's just retarded–and since it's a lot more work than pulling a trigger, I can only assume he actually enjoys killing these dogs.
misssmartypants

Man oh man.. What a morning..I just want to enjoy my cereal folks. Look, he lives in a rual area.My chickens would be in a totally inclosed pen, I dont know…racoons,dogs..cats..coyotes..foxes..chickenhawks. If he could Rambo a puppys throat 3 times( kids watching chicken slaughter then puppy slaughter) he couldve roped it, called the sheriff. Fined and charged the owner(huge) and got replacement chickens from her.He wasnt scared, he was pissed off and wrathful. Yeah Jesus!! And as for that dog he shot, it was on the corner of his property, which is large. If he could see the dog through his scope, he could see the owner. He just didnt give a shit. If I pegged off every dog,cat,racoon,coyote, ect that came on my property from the trail in the woods,in a week I'd have a fur snuggie for the outside of my house. I just dont have Jesus on my side egging me on. And yes, that lady should've at least gotten that invisible fencing if she really loved her dogs. Thanks Morbid for whackin this story out.
Wends

I find myself completely agreeing with Morbid on this one. The pastor was in his rights to kill the animal killing his livestock.

How many times do we say 'we would've been calling 911 with a dead body on our hands if someone was attacking our puppy/kitten/blahblahblah' on these forums and in these comments sections? And yet people condemn this man for doing just that? Maybe response time is so slow to that area (after all, one can only assume it's quite rural) that he would have lost his entire flock to the dog. Perhaps he's come to shooting dogs that come onto his property because irresponsible owners in the area who let their animals run free and/or congregate in packs have allowed their animals to hassle his livestock in the past, and he's simply defending his property and his animals.

Also, there's the problems involved in restocking a flock. Chickens, as someone else mentioned, can be expensive birds. They can range from $3-50 per chick. That's right, per CHICK. Those that are cheaper are usually lower quality, mass-produced birds used for snake-feed or other purposes. 3-50 for something quality, the higher prices being for more exotic birds. And the main problem? Chickens can live for up to a decade, and adding birds to an established flock can result in extreme violence within that flock, resulting in the deaths of more birds.

So this man had a dog killing his birds, decimating his egg-laying flock that he was keeping in a properly penned coop, and he can't add more birds to that flock without risking violence amongst the birds that will likely result in injury/death of those animals. Plus it will cost him a pretty penny, which pastors typically have little of.

I agree with the pastor in this. People need to take responsibility for their animals. (my cats, for the record, are 100 percent indoor animals. The only way my tabby makes it outside is on his halter and leash!)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/F7IZ5A7XOSD6FY7ZINV3LBQKXM John

Having grown up on a farm, I can tell you the prescribed cure for a chicken killing dog is death. Same for dogs that “suck eggs”. The pastor could have charged the owner of the dog for his chickens if he knew the owner. Otherwise, the pastor was well within his rights to kill the dog. I think I would have opted for gunpowder and lead unless the area was highly populated.
darich

I had a landlord years ago that raised exotic chickens that he loved. There was also a neighbor with a husky who liked killing them. My landlord charged him for every chicken lost and the man finally tied his dog up. Thats fair if you know who owns the dog. I have no doubt if a dog my landlord didn't know came on his property he would kill them. He also kept a rifle handy for chicken hawks. He was pretty protective of his chickens. Oh by the way I've always heard that once a dog got a taste of blood they'd always be killers. Can't be cured. Sorry for talking so much.
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

Yeah, I never thought I would be on here defending a preacher.
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

Athena, I'm not aware of that area, but I wonder if some of the problems stem from rural areas being turned into suburban ones. We are like that where I live. Even though we have a slew of newly built neighborhoods, we are still in the “boonies” with at least three working horse stables and a couple farms within a 10 mile radius.
misssmartypants

OH yes they can be “cured”. You take the dead chickens and tie them to the dogs collar, and let the chickens rot off. It works. Its old school, but any farmer would know what I'm talking about.
leah 7

these pastors who claim love and understanding for all of mankind, human or animal, are a bunch of fakes, and Jesus knows they are
http://www.facebook.com/kori.lawrence.anstey Kori Lawrence Anstey

very well stated
Kittyskyfish

Thank you for an excellent response. I listened again to the video and the man had to bury 9 chickens because of the dogs. It's a shame, all around.
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

I also hear that he knows when his followers are passing judgement as well. Besides, God spent the better half of the Old Testament telling people to kill animals just to appease him. He really loved the animal sacrifice thing.
http://www.facebook.com/kori.lawrence.anstey Kori Lawrence Anstey

Oh no, aren't you aware? They can beat their wives, rob their congregation, touch kids, kill dogs for pleasure, brain wash their congregation, collect kiddie port and kill dogs and enjoy every second of it because they are born again and that makes them totally superior to the rest of us “worldly” people, who, even if we are good and harm no one and dedicate our lives to helping others. When Jesus returns, we are going to hell and they have a golden one way ticket to heaven, because they invited Jesus into their hearts and became born again and we didn't.
Boy, won't you feel stupid when that all takes place, I know I will !
I will totally be adding that to my list of oops!
Sugarglider1

It's the stabbing-dog-to-death thing in particular that takes me to the land of WTF. The rest of it, while not pleasant, is not uncommon in the country, although I must say this guy really has a cruddy relationship with apparently ALL of his neighbors. And I gotta wonder what he writes his sermons about: “and, so, YEA VERILY, I took my knife and plunged it in the dog's soft stomach, and as I ripped out his guts, I said, “Lord, I know you said we should Love our Neighbors, but, Lord, my neighbors are goddamn fucking assholes, Lord, and so I thank you, Lord, for allowing me to wreak vengeance upon this defiler of mah poultry.”"
Sugarglider1

Why are you assuming he preaches love and understanding? Sorry, but plenty of pastors preach damnation, brimstone, hellfire, and they are well justified by the bible itself in doing so. “Eye for an eye,” right? Smoting, and stoning, and everything else, hello, It's all there.
Janelle

There is a church down the street from my house, and the preacher has a dog there in a small fenced area to guard his buses. The dog, a boxer, got out, and came to our house, and stuck his large snout in a crack in the glass in our door, knocking glass out into our floor which my son then proceeded to step on and cut his foot. I had to go outside with him, because a guy came to tow my car and I had to go out and talk to him. I brought a large stick with me just in case. He jumped into my car and continued to make a nuisance of himself, though he didn't kill any chickens. I called the dog pound, who called the preacher, who came and got him, and offered to pay to fix the window in the door. While I would have hit him with the stick if he attacked me (the dog, not the preacher), it never would have crossed my mind to slash his throat or shoot him.
Kittyskyfish

I now read that he lost 12 chickens in this mauling attack by Jack (the puppy who died). His brother, Demon (yes, *that's* his name) also escaped from the backyard where both dogs were tied up, but he was caught by a neighbor. Rea tried at first to corral the dog but he couldn't stop it from killing his chickens. His statement also mentions that, “four adult neighbors stood and watched the dog in the chicken pen, but none stepped in and tried to help.”

This one puppy killed 12 chickens and all Rea tried to do was stop the dog from killing more. One thing you need to be aware of is when dogs are in attack-mode, they aren't friendly. Dogs in attack-mode become hyper-aggressive and vicious, and they can turn on you, too, if you get too close. The dog didn't even have a collar on for Rea to grab onto and control him. Considering all things, I can understand why he was put in the position to kill the dog. Well, if anything, I'm sure it made sense at the time.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/08/27/131697…
Sugarglider1

I haven't looked into this story very closely, so thanks for the info.

Methinks Dude really needs a muuuch sturdier chicken pen.
Sugarglider1

p.s. IF his neighbors were there, as the dog-stabber says, and saw all of it, I find it very odd that they are all so outraged at him, instead of being outraged at the dog owner. Maybe it's because he killed at least 1 other person's dog in the past that is known of, and that wasn't a situation like this one, where it might seem justified. Huh. The 4 people he said were there, what do THEY say????

Huh.
Kittyskyfish

I don't know if these were the same neighbors as the ones cited as outraged. They could be the witnesses, or they could be other neighbors whose responses were 'cherry-picked' for journalistic flair.

FWIW – I really am sympathetic to both sides in this situation.
Mwills82

Being shitty dog owners who let our dog run loose, our old dog had a taste for neighborhood cats (if cats can go free range, why can't our dog). Many cats on the block disappeared; we had no problem with this. We did have a problem, though, when he would bring the cats back to us as “presents” (great, loyal dog). Our dog and his bitch had the habit broken by spending a few days with two cats tied between their collars.
Good old dad, white trash farmboy moving up to oilfield-trash millionaire suburbanite. But yeah, as for the pastor, did what he had to do.
msolsen05

I came from a small farming town and dogs who attacked someones livestock–pet or not–would either be caught and turned over to the animal control or in some cases if the damn owners didnt keep their pet in doors or watch after them. Well. They ended up shot. Thats a farmers lively hood, and his livestock. Sorry that the puppy was killed but just like if it had been a fox, coyote, cougar it was put down.
msolsen05

I came from a small farming town and dogs who attacked someones livestock–pet or not–would either be caught and turned over to the animal control or in some cases if the damn owners didnt keep their pet in doors or watch after them. Well. They ended up shot. Thats a farmers lively hood, and his livestock. Sorry that the puppy was killed but just like if it had been a fox, coyote, cougar it was put down.
msolsen05

Btw. IN my neighborhood there are four dogs that some idiot lets run loose. They are not big dogs but big enough to scare some of the kids since they chase kids on their bikes or when they are out walking. Animal control has been by to talk to the guy, but miraculously the dogs dissappear or he claims they have been chained up in his back yard. I am waiting for a fed up parent whose kid finally gets bitten by one of these dogs to go ape shit.
Sugarglider1

“(if cats can go free range, why can't our dog).”

Because a cat can't maul someone to death? But I feel bad for your dogs running around like that (although it's interesting that the dead cat necklace worked). Great way for your dogs to get all kinds of parasites, worms, infections, and other injuries.
Sugarglider1

I am, too–but I don't think I like this guy, regardless. Aside from the thing with Jack the chicken-killing puppy, shooting the other neighbor's lab sounds bad to me. If he knew it was his neighbor's, and especially if it wasn't in the process of killing a chicken…it's not a great way to figure out how to deal with neighbors. The first thing to do when you see your neighbor's dog running past your house is not to shoot it. He'd be better off calling authorities and getting citations issued against them than going into warfare mode. It doesn't seem to be working out too well for him this way.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamie-Arnett/650941889 Jamie Arnett

the thing is..animal control tends to take its time, even when you live in the city. when something is killing your pets/next weekends dinner, you cant just stand there and hope that he will stop, you have to take action. i have a small flock of chickens myself and i can totally understand where the guy is coming from. if you dont want your stupid dog blown away, keep it locked up!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamie-Arnett/650941889 Jamie Arnett

not to mention, in some rural areas..there is no animal control. calling the sheriff wont do a thing except piss him off because its “not his job”, and it really isnt.
Takoma620

funny…….more ppl upset about a pastor killing a dog than they would be about him raping a kid………..
misssmartypants

Oh come on! Its so common-place for” men of the cloth ” rapin little kids. Wakin' up to read the paper and there it is!! That behavior is giving “God” a bad name.Anyhow, its just so weird about this man of god to be doing what he did. Its very different from how one would perceive a pastor. It was soo out there, thats all.One good thing came out of this for him; I'm sure the little kids wont be fuckin around in Sunday school any more.
misssmartypants

Yep. You're right. Dang! But I dont think he would be able to get “up close and personal” with a knife, mind you, on a wild predator. Thats a 25 cent solution. Knives,well,that is a very very personal way of killing.That involves the whole body on either side, with all the senses clang clang clanging.
Anonymous

An apology letter wouldn’t be sufficient. They should be cited and fined for letting their dogs roam, and they should have to pay for the chickens that were killed by their dog(s) and for any repairs to his coop that were caused by their dog(s). If he’d try calling the authorities once in awhile instead of just killing anything that wanders on his property, perhaps it never would have come to this. I just think it’s weird that he seems to have this habit of killing his neighbors’ dogs, regardless of whether or not they are killing his chickens. In my opinion, there are a few things that make this story stand out. #1: the information you posted about the labrador and about the possible 3rd dog. #2: the knifing, stands out, of course, since it is obviously more “cruel and unusual” than putting a bullet in the head. Granted, he says he did what he had to do. #3 Since he maintains he had to do what he had to do, it’s interesting that it must not have looked that way to his neighbors, since they were all there, according to him, and haven’t sided with him. That’s interesting to me.

As for a stronger chicken coop, he definitely needs one. That doesn’t mean it’s his fault a dog got in his chicken coop. It means his chicken coop isn’t sufficient to protect his chickens in this area he lives in, which would seem to be overrun with roaming dogs.

I’m curious about his neighborhood, because it doesn’t sound like a a countryside setting full of vast acreage. If 4 of his neighbors watched the situation with the Husky in the chicken coop, this sounds like very close quarters. There are better ways and worse ways to deal with neighbors. IMO, I wouldn’t want any of these people for neighbors, him included.
misssmartypants

Thank god for knives and Depends. I about crapped my polyesters with that comment. Too funny.
TAR_BABY

Siberian Huskies have ridiculous strong prey drives, I own one… you can't just let one wander anywhere, let alone where it would have access to livestock. A wandering Siberian will kill any cats it happens to meet also… they are one of the most ancient breeds of dogs there is, closer to a wolf than anything else you'll see in a pet store. They were bred to be friendly to any people they meet, but get them near anything smaller than they are and you'll see their true nature come out real quick.
Rumpilstiltskin

Growing up I lived out in the boonies and had a Labrador Retriever. My neighbor behind me raised deer. The dog was smart enough to figured out how to slip his collar and dumb enough to go chase the deer. Needless to say the owner of the deer shot him to protect his deer, and he had every right.
gymicrae

So I guess neither of these dog owners have written a letter of apology to the pastor for his doing what they should have done themselves, as they are clearly not fit to handle animals?
Rumpilstiltskin

yeah…and every animal rights nut-job would be after your ass for that.
Honestyone

Dogs go through similar development as humans and a dog that is 6 months old is approaching adolescence. The dog wasn't out to intentionally kill the chickens, he was playing. This man did not think the situation through and reacted out of anger. He could have easily tossed the dog out of his coop and/or confined the dog. Also, dogs between the age of 6 months and 1 year will try to escape confinement from their own yard when given the chance because they want to explore what's outside of their world, even if they have never tried to before. If this was a case of an older dog killing the man's chickens after escaping its owners yard, then I would have some sympathy for the chicken owner and view the dog owner as negligent because it would have shown previous signs of escape. But in this case, no, the pastor viciously murdered this puppy.
Mrssteinbeck

So, hypothetically, let's say you have both a stick AND a knife on you when that boxer decides to attack you. Are you saying you would never consider using the knife? You'd only slap at the damned thing with a stick? Also, your experience =/= his. The boxer wasn't tearing into your chicken pen, was it?
Mrssteinbeck

Did you not watch the video? He stated that he tried to get the dog out of the coop. And his 'playing' cost the man 9 chickens, which may not mean anything to you, but to that man it means $$ down the drain for him and his family.

And you're right, young dogs want to explore. But it's possible to have a young dog that never manages to escape and roam free. Shocking, I know! It's called being responsible for your pet.
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

Of course not. Some are blaming the pastor for the dogs getting loose and coming on to his property. Stating maybe he should have built a better chicken coop. Hell, I had one state that they wouldn't be so angry had he shot the dog. Another lied saying they would feel just as bad had the pastor killed a bobcat or alligator in this fashion because “they are very empathetic towards children and animals.” I then remarked I wasn't aware chickens were a vegetable.
gymicrae

Chickens must be a vegetable, because you can pick them right out of the ground and eat them.
frequentguest

The owner has a very graphic photo of the dog on her facebook. I don't know how to post a link to it.
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

You know, that is a very good point.
Sugarglider1

Gross visual image…but funny.
Sugarglider1

Gross visual image…but funny.
Boughtthefarm

I hope he slit the dogs throat rather than stabbed him to death. That isn't uncommon in rural areas. Men usually carry a knife in their pocket. Going back to the house for a gun might have taken too long.
Sugarglider1

Yeah, I can see that. But I have a hard time picturing the scenario as it actually unfolded. Did he see the whole thing happening from the house, and ran out with his knife, and his neighbors were just standing around gawking at the carnage? Or did he happen to just wander along, the neighbors were gawking, and all he had on him was a knife? Why are the neighbors all so against him, considering that his chickens were getting killed? That's what I'm most curious about. Seems like there's just a rotten history and a lot of bad blood between people in the area, not likely to be improved by the recent turn of events.
frequentguest

In some of the comments in the Tri City Herald article, people are saying that some of this woman's dogs (don't think it was the one in question) have killed another neighbors ducks and someone's goat. Someone also claims that her stallion got loose and was trying to breed other people's mares. Not sure if these claims are true, but if they are she should have expected this to happen eventually.
Deety

My aunt and uncle own an acre in an area like that- mostly working farms and stables, but the nearby city is slowly creeping in. When they moved there, there was nothing for miles- now (15-20 years later) there are two or three big shopping centers within a couple of miles, and a huge apartment building just went up a half-mile away.

Their next-door-neighbors have let their dogs run free for years (border collies) with no issues. They come on my relatives property daily, and no one gives it a second thought. And people in this neighborhood routinely walk their dogs without leashes, waving and chatting with neighbors along their way.

I think shooting a dog whose human was 100 feet away and who was not causing any trouble is unconscionable. There are many steps you should take first, before resorting to violence. And I don't thinking being in the wrong place is ever a decent reason for shooting a dog.

The guy's 100% in the right for killing a dog attacking his chickens, and his neighbors are only taking it the wrong way because he's been such a douchebag in the past. So I find it hard to dredge up any sympathy for the harassment he's currently getting.
Deety

I think they're probably against him because he previously killed a dog on his property for no good reason. Now he has a good reason, but his motives are suspect.

People aren't really reasonable, generally speaking.
Sugarglider1

Oh, well, as far as MONEY goes, the neighbors who owned the dog should PAY for the chickens their dog killed and for any damages to coop. To me, that's just obvious.

As far as dogs escaping, anything can happen, even for responsible down owners. At our old house, we were so happy once we put up a fence and could just let the dog out to go to the bathroom instead of taking him on a million walks. What did dog do very first thing? Dug under the damn fence. After all the money the fence cost, we just had to laugh. Granted, anyone who is tying up a dog for hours on end in a yard is not a responsible dog owner, so it doesn't sound to me like the owners of Jack were so great.
Sugarglider1

Yes, if 4 neighbors watched Jack kill the chickens, this must not be a big spread-out country farming situation. These people ALL need to grow up, put on some civilized big-boy (or big-girl) pants, and figure out what being a neighbor means.
Sugarglider1

What you have said is EXACTLY what I think. There's bad history between these people. (a) Can understand his actions in an abstract way, but his past behavior makes his current actions seem suspicious. (b) Then again, the fact that the neighbors saw what was going on in that coop but aren't on his side doesn't make their motives seem so noble, either. Like they were exulting in the dog's FOWL PLAY. (sorry, couldn't resist).

This should all be pretty simple: the neighbor's dog accidentally gets out and kills your chickens, you kill the dog because you have no other choice, they have no reason to doubt that you had no other choice, they say they are sorry about the chickens, you say sorry about the dog you had to kill, they promise to do better, and they reimburse you for ALL the expenses. End of story. Ideally, this would even be accomplished without the involvement of authorities–but we're way past that here, possibly because of his unneighborly shooting of the non-chicken-slaying labrador when his owner was right behind him trying to chase him down; in that case, the dog must have gotten out of accident, and while it may have been the property owner's RIGHT to shoot the dog, it was a stupid/asshole move for one neighbor to make against another neighbor.

Basically, I wouldn't want to have any of these folks for neighbors. They ALL (him included) seem like they just aren't what we would exactly call “neighborly.” This seems like one big antagonistic mess that is out of control, and those it sucks for the most are not actually the people but the darn chickens and dogs–but it could end up in humans getting shot, since tempers are flaring. The best thing he can do right now, I think, for his own financial well-being is fortify his coop (since roaming dogs do seem to be a major issue around there), and, if his neighbors keep acting like asses with the dogs, let the authorities deal with it as much as possible.
Kittyskyfish

If chickens are vegetables, then eggs are seeds? Nice!
misssmartypants

Mmmmm.. sounds delicious. Theres enough here for those fools, and theres nothing like common sense ass I'd like to pass around.
JGo555

I love dogs & I still think he did the right thing since where the f*ck was the “owner” I bet you there were leash laws where this men lives yet there was no one that can understand what he did?! I don't think he should be charged since he was protecting the chickens & it's not like he's a coward cause he didn't even do it with a gun, he went with a knife & his hands… even things out if you ask me.
Athena

That's a problem all over Washington, really. The I-5 corridor is growing exponentially and it's changing neighborhoods quite rapidly. But, really, this is why these laws exist. Leash laws are designed, in part, to protect the owner and the dog. If you've been letting your dog run around unleashed or unsupervised for years, you've been taking a gamble with their life, as the laws that allow a man to kill a dog on his property have existed for a LONG TIME.

In response to Sugarglider's comment – maybe this guy DOES enjoy slaughtering puppies. All the more reason to keep yours locked up, if you live in those neck of the woods.
JGo555

Thing is, this dog isn't a hunting breed (which you'd expect from a lab or what not but it's not) it's was originally bred for running which is what it still does. Dogs do NOT sometimes get out. They do if the dog is a large breed & your fence is 3ft tall. Mine is 5ft. tall & my American Bulldog can not get out of it at all & they're supposed to be able to jump 6ft high.
JGo555

Umm… cats might not take the time to maul you to death but they sure can plus, with the cat scratches & bites you can get a nasty infection that can kill you. SLOWLY.
JGo555

Oh & he shouldn't have to pay the owner for a new puppy & SHE should pay him for the loss of chickens.
kacee75

In some states you are perfectly within your rights to shoot an animal (domestic dogs included) if they are destroying your property or livestock. That being said, I am kinda questioning the why the good ol' rev killed the dog, at the same time I was not there. I had a husky mix as a kid, and once they get that taste of blood they're pretty much ruined. If my dog had killed the neighbors chickens, my dad would've shot the dog himself. But my dad was hardcore like that.

I do have to agree wtih Sugarglider – the neighbors sound a bit on the “funky” side. There's probably been some bad blood brewing for quite some time.

Maybe the Rev snapped a bit because he was tired of everyone's dogs running on his property and decided that shooting them was the best deterrant (??) I could see my dad doing something like that! LOL
aka jas

I just snorted when I laughed.
aka jas

What is the problem here? The guys yard was invaded and his lively hood slaughtered. He had no choice.

The problem is the damn wording “Preacher slashes puppy's throat”. This is a tad misleading.
frequentguest

I once shot my own dog with an air gun for chasing the neighbors cows. It was hard to do, but the neighbor would have used a much bigger gun. It broke the cow chasing habit.
mamabear

FYI…Finley is fondly know as Fintucky in these parts…anways…the Pastor had every right to do what he did. So many people just drop off there dogs out here in the boonies because they “got too big” or they “are moving and can't take them,” etc. It is a common occurrence for farmers to have to shoot these animals. They are hungry and they will go after livestock. Maybe if we shot at the people that were dropping the animals off….hmmmm…….
KAOS

Sugar you really are awesome, I was sitting the fence, going down the comments, but what you said makes perfect sense. What, just cause the guy's a pastor he can't be a total dick. Nah, how many animals you think he's killed nobody knows about?
KAOS

Making a comment like that makes me think you haven't seen us upset
Athena

What? Because he killed two dogs ON HIS PROPERTY (one of which was slaughtering his livestock), he must be some chronic animal killer? Now, THAT'S a leap….

He killed two dogs. Now, if the article said that the neighborhood had a problem with cats going missing too, you might have something there. But right now, you're just making crazy assumptions.

Sure, the guy might be a total dick. Frankly, most pastors I've met have been. But, I'm quite sure that being a total dick isn't illegal.

The man was well within his rights. The dog owners (both of them) were NOT. End game.
Athena

I'm as cynical and self-righteous an atheist as they come… but don't you find it a little ridiculous to lump this dude in with chimos and wife beaters?

Actually, I take that back. It's A LOT ridiculous.
Janelle

Hmmmm. I did have a stick and a knife in the house before I went outside, and I chose to take the stick. (It's a big stick, though.) No, he wasn't attacking my chickens, but I think I would probably be even more upset if he attacked me, and he did appear rather agressive. If he tried to attack me, of course I would defend myself (I'm sure I'd defend my chickens as well if I had any), but I would still take the big stick and call the dog pound rather than slash his throat.
Honestyone

I have PET chickens. I have also had PET chickens killed by raccoons and cats, even when my chickens are penned and closed up for the night. I have trapped and killed a feral cat “humanely” because it was trying to get into my chickens. My 8 year old dog, killed one of my bantams when she was 6 months old by throwing it into the air and catching it, because she was playing. I did not consider slashing her throat! I'll tell you this, she has never once touched another chicken, playing or otherwise. Neither has any of our other 8 dogs….Because we do everything in our power to make sure they are constantly monitored when they are outdoors in our 2 acre fenced yard. Our beagle has escaped while chasing a rabbit while wearing a 2 mile shock collar. We did not stop looking for him for fear of him being shot. Yes, they do escape. Yes, even while under constant supervision.
I just do not agree with slashing a puppy's throat and stabbing it…even if it were my worst neighbors pet.
This guy did not try hard enough to get the dog. Instead, he got close enough to slice and slash it to death. He could have just as easily grabbed it and called animal control or held it for the owners and demand repayment of the chickens. Your theory would also make it ok for me to slash and kill a dog that came into my yard and peed on my prize tree which caused its death.
Guest

I tell ya, if a dog broke into my house and even looked at one of my parrots with a slight hint of hunger or deviousness on it’s face, I would wrestle that dog into a fucking smelly dog pretzel. No way in hell would it be getting anywhere near my feather babies. If I had a chicken coop in my own backyard, and a dog got in to wreak havoc on them, I would do what was necessary to protect them. I love dogs too. I really, really do. But I do not share the same bond with a neighbours cute little fur-baby that is attacking my feathered babies.

I don’t know how this man felt about his chickens, I can only assume that if I were in his situation, I would be bonded to them. Maybe not as much as I am to my parrots, but that is irrelevant. His chickens on his property should be safe from his neighbours pets no matter what. I do feel terrible that the puppy died and like I said, I would try very hard to avoid killing it, but in the situation, I’m sure the damage that the dog was causing to the chickens was major (for 9+ chickens to have been killed) and fast. I doubt this man had a whole helluva lotta time to react. Hell, he lost 9+ birds. That isn’t a small loss.
Parrot Toes (kathybird)

Hahaha….I heart you. That was a good giggle.
Wyrosjr

Preacher is an old school “man”. NO sissy faggy liberal socialist there. Dog came on his property. Pastor should sue for value of the property destroyed also.
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

Exactly
Parrot Toes (kathybird)

I'm all for animal rights and shit. Animals are more worthy than people in my book. I think that if this dog was attacking this guys chickens, then he was very well justified in killing the dog. At 6 months old, a husky isn't a tiny little thing anymore. They are big and nothing but muscle. In the same situation, I would have tried my damnedest to get the dog tied up and not kill it, but when you can't, I suppose you have to do what you have to do. It is the dog owners responsibility to keep their dog secured, whether she is home or not. This man lost 9 of his chickens.

Some people may think, “they are just chickens”. As a bird person, let me just say that a chicken is not just a meal or supplier of eggs. To some people, they are more. They can actually be trained to come to you for a treat when called. If raised from a chick, they can make wonderful companions that would love to sit in your lap and enjoy a scratch on the head. Not to mention the benefit of cleaning your garden of insect pests and keeping your lawn fertilized. They can be comical little critters with more personality than most people give them credit for. It's just too bad for bylaws where I live or I'd have myself a little backyard coop of them.

Personally, I think it is outrageous that people are screaming at the loss of a dog that invaded another persons' property and killed 9 other animals. Why is the value of the dog more important than the chickens? I mean, if the chickens had flown the coop, entered the dogs property and started a fight with the dog, then they would have deserved it, but somehow, I don't ever see that happening.

As for the other dogs this man killed, I would have to reserve my judgement until I knew more of the specific details. If he just killed the dogs for being on his property, then he is wrong but I would still like to hear more of those instances though.
Parrot Toes (kathybird)

“The dog wasn't out to intentionally kill the chickens, he was playing.”

Are you the dog whisperer? I find your comment to be so full of bullshit. As if a husky pup is not capable of being aggressive, just playful. Hahaha.
http://www.facebook.com/kennyhackett Kenny Hackett

I don't know if he was right or wrong, but if you keep kill peoples dogs, they will eventually kill your chickens. Someone needs to step up and be an adult in this situation before it escalates.
Honestyone

6 months old is a puppy. If you want to be sarcastic and call me a dog whisperer, then so be it. My point is that the man was close enough to stab and slice, but not close enough to grab and kick its ass? Part of my studies includes animal behavior, so before you call my comment bullshit, maybe you should study animal behavior and development.
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

Wow, you mean you have to study animal behavior before you learn that a 6-month old dog is playful? I never knew. What else did you learn from studying animal behavior? I hear that sometimes if you call a dogs name, it will come to you and when they get older, they die. I could be wrong, since I don't study animal behavior and development like you, but that's what I heard. You must enlighten us more. What had you come to the conclusion that the dog was just playing with the chickens? I must admit that initially I thought he was being adversely lackadaisical but after more information came in I started leaning more towards uproariously obstreperous.
Athena

With all due respect for your alleged animal behavior education, to state conclusively that a dog is just “playing” when it has just slaughtered 9 chickens is just silly. Dogs are predators. This dog did not accidentally kill multiple chickens, as you suggest.

If your studies have suggested to you that a puppy is not capable of intentionally killing another animal at the age of 6 months, I would ask for my money back and enroll elsewhere if I were you.
Cohuba

I'm one of the neighbors. I believe you have the right to keep animals off of your property. This man has killed a neighbors dog in the past as he was walking his dog to the community mailbox. He shot that dog because he mistook it for the one who knocked over his garbage can. We have a problem of people dumping dogs out here because they no longer want them.
Sugarglider1

“NO sissy faggy liberal socialist there.”
So many reasonably thought-out posts on every facet of this case, and now something so stupid as this remark? Well, I guess one retard had to crawl in, too.
IntelligentVirtue

I think its unfair to assume how we would have reacted unless we were in that situation. I can only imagine the chaos that ensued (chickens can already be pretty rowdy but throw in a large breed puppy and that's birds, feathers, blood and perhaps even body parts flying everywhere) coupled with his previous disdain for strays and well now that's why we're hearing this story now.
Everyone is pointing out to the monetary value of his propery but I've read several studies that found small-operation farmers establish a bond with their livestock often times treating them like family pets, despite what they're being reared for.

Also, I understand the owner is distraught but I never once heard her say that she feels bad for his chickens despite the fact that it was HER dog's fault.

I have very conflicted feelings towards animals because I personally love them. I think that they can enhance your life in so many ways, but, then I have a problem with some of their owners. One dog lurched out and bit me when I rollerbladed by, the owner stood there like nothing happpened and didn't restrain her do when I stopped to check the bite. I had to yell at her to pull her dog back and even then she looked at me like I WAS THE CRAZY ONE. I read her the riot act. Unfortunetely I've encountered several owners like her and it seems like the husky's owner might be one of them too. It was her statement say “something has to be done before it happens again.” Really? Here's something that can be done, keep you dog secure!!
Sugarglider1

I don't think she did that, did she? I read this as 1/2 general comment about how people use religion to justify all kinds of things, often with great hypocrisy, and 1/2 humorous.
AlwaysInFlyoverCountry

Refer to this.

How do you propose to catch a lively dog engaged in killing its prey when the dog does not have a collar?

–Al
IntelligentVirtue

To some people a dog = a feral cat= a rabid possum etc. As a dog owner it is your responsibility to be empathetic to the fact that some people just aren't dog lovers and if a situation occurs in which they are confronted with dogs, the end result very well could be great harm to the dog.
misssmartypants

I have to agree with you, Parrot toes, about how funny chickens are. I love them.I want to keep them for pets. But I cant have them. I live at the edge of the woods, with all kinds of critters lookin for a free meal. I also have a big dog,( Mrs. Kravitz) who shreads the shit out of pooh bear and other assorted stuffies, and keeps the leftovers in the couch for later.. Mrs. Kravitz also goes apeshit over cats, raccoons, and the guinea pig.People are o.k., small critters are doomed. So no chickens. She is also not allowed outside w/o supervision. I can only be safely responsible for 2 animals. The owner of Jack should have done a better job of caring for her pets. She didnt, and there was hell to pay.He has a right to raise chickens w/o worrying about their safety. What I have a problem with, is that using a knife is visceral.Personal. And if I was one of those neighbors, the whole scene, chicken slaughter, dog going apeshit, kids screaming, my pastor jumpin in with a knife and stabbin, shit I would be too freaked out to help either.
Sugarglider1

First of all: Kaos, thanks, that's kind of you.

Second of all, Athena: I don't know if you're talking to ME, or to Kaos. If to me, I don't know his state laws, but I always figured he was within his rights. It's his property. And I think he should get reimbursed for his chickens and any harm to the chicken pen.

But I never thought this was just about the dog in the chicken pen.
For me, Rea's legal right just wasn't the most interesting thing, by a long shot. If that's ALL there is to it, why post the story at all? Fuck. I assumed it was his right, but I thought it was an interesting story for the details, and for questions about ethics rather than legal rights. I mean, as far as Rea's neighbor's lab was concerned, it ran across the corner of his property. It wasn't on leash, but the neighbor was behind it. He saw it, and, a second later, he shot it. Does that make him an awesome neighbor? No. But was he within his LEGAL rights? I imagine so, and I never said he wasn't. As far as whether or not he is a chronic dog slayer, I have no idea. Might depend on what you mean by chronic. He does seem to have told the Action News folks, as they reported, that he shot and killed a 3rd dog that wandered onto his property a couple years ago. Not because it was killing chickens, not because he thought it was killing chickens, not even just because it was on his property, but because–he says–he didn't know what to do with it and so he decided shooting it was the humane thing to do. Was that the “right” thing to do? I can't say that I think it was. But was he within his LEGAL rights? I imagine so.

My neighbor's cat comes in our yard sometimes. I could shoot it. That would be my right. For that matter, on the other side of the yard, occasionally one of my neighbor's very annoying dachshunds (they bark all the time…) sometimes squeezes through the fence on that side and makes off with our dog's smaller toys. I could shoot it. It would be my right. So is that just simply the End Game? Yes–if that's the only thing worth discussing. But I never thought this story's interesting moments were about legal rights. To me, the most interesting thing is that none of these neighbors have any consideration for each other (although I also thought the detail with the knife was in the realm of WTF, and thought so even more after I finally watched the vid and read the linked articles, and I did wonder how his Baptist sermon subjects might be impacted).

In short, for me, there was much of interest about the story, in its details, quite apart from the question of his legal right, and also I thought there was much more to the story than just the question of the dog that killed the chickens.
Sugarglider1

That's pretty much my conclusion. The more I looked into the story, the more it seemed like years' worth of weirdness…like the whole community needs an intervention where someone reasonable comes in and gives them all some general guidelines about how to be decent people before it turns into some feud. For Rea's neighbors, it would be: quit creating situations that result in your dogs roaming the damn neighborhood. For Rea, it would be: if you see a dog wander onto your property and it ISN'T killing chickens, call the neighbor it belongs to (and if it isn't your neighbor's dog, calling the SPCA is the humane thing to do).
Honestyone

I really thought this was a place full of empathetic people where justice for children and animals prevailed. Apparently I was wrong. Regardless of your criticism of me…you don't think it's a bit overboard to slash and stab a puppy? Especially after hearing the man has a history of killing dogs that are on his property, whether they are killing his pets or not? I am not unsympathetic to what the man went through, seeing his chickens being murdered…but I think its just as horrific that he reacted by stabbing it to death.
Sugarglider1

Yep. It seems to me that it all happened very fast, and once Rea was in the pen, this was the likely outcome. The dog was in bloodlust mode. Maybe he could have picked it up and thrown it back out of the pen that it had so easily jumped into. MAYBE. I doubt it, though. I can't really blame him for what was a split second reaction to seeing his chickens being slaughtered, although I was not surprised that he told the News people that he now wishes he hadn't done what he did. I hope this sort of thing doesn't happen again, but if it does he will have an easier time getting his money back, etc, if he just calls the cops/animal control and lets them deal with it all.
Parrot Toes (kathybird)

Yeah, I agree that it is still a pup at 6 months old but does that mean that this man should have just sat back and let it “play” with the rest of his chickens? Should a 6 month old pup be allowed to play with our children like that? I don't need to be in any class to know that the answer to that is a big “HELL NO!” I have had many dogs in my life. I have loved them, been loved by them, trained them and had my life saved multiple times by one. I am a huge dog fan. I don't need any class to tell me that a puppy doing what this dog did is NOT acceptable. This PUPPY, being a husky and therefore all muscle, was a dog that was in a high state of excitement. Personally, I would have gotten in there to try and stop the dog because I have this problem where I think I can just pet any dog, therefore, little fear of dogs. It drove my mom up the friggen wall when I was a kid. I would walk into anyone's yard (I delivered newspapers) and pet their dog. No “Beware Of Dog” sign could scare me away from a furry faced dog. This man may not have been so convinced of his ability to step in and stop this dog bare-handed (though the video states that he did try. What else do we want?).

Do you know much about birds and how defenseless they are against a 6 month old dog that “only wants to play with them”?……
Sugarglider1

Aw, don't take it to heart too much. It was just inadvertently funny to have made it sound like 9 chickens was all about playfulness. FWIW, not that it matters what I think, I felt your comments were thoughtful, and your compassion comes from a good place. And Rea does sound to me like he's a bit off, from the various reports, just in general, regardless of his legal rights either with the dog Jack or with other dogs. I'm betting he's a real fire and brimstone type of Baptist preacher–a lot of Old Testament smiting and stoning and “Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord.” Not that I have any idea. That's just a guess.
Sugarglider1

“I must admit that initially I thought he was being adversely lackadaisical but after more information came in I started leaning more towards uproariously obstreperous.”

That was funny.
Sugarglider1

“What I have a problem with, is that using a knife is visceral.Personal. And if I was one of those neighbors, the whole scene, chicken slaughter, dog going apeshit, kids screaming, kids screaming”

Doh–this must all have been way traumatic for the kids. 9 chickens, a dog, dad covered in blood. Ugh.
Parrot Toes (kathybird)

I tell ya, if a dog broke into my house and even looked at one of my parrots with a slight hint of hunger or deviousness on it's face, I would wrestle that dog into a fucking smelly dog pretzel. No way in hell would it be getting anywhere near my feather babies. If I had a chicken coop in my own backyard, and a dog got in to wreak havoc on them, I would do what was necessary to protect them. I love dogs too. I really, really do. But I do not share the same bond with a neighbours cute little fur-baby that is attacking my feathered babies.

I don't know how this man felt about his chickens, I can only assume that if I were in his situation, I would be bonded to them. Maybe not as much as I am to my parrots, but that is irrelevant. His chickens on his property should be safe from his neighbours pets no matter what. I do feel terrible that the puppy died and like I said, I would try very hard to avoid killing it, but in the situation, I'm sure the damage that the dog was causing to the chickens was major (for 9+ chickens to have been killed) and fast. I doubt this man had a whole helluva lotta time to react. Hell, he lost 9+ birds. That isn't a small loss.
Parrot Toes (kathybird)

What the heck is going on with my posts needing approval? I haven't said anything I wouldn't normally say…….which isn't a bad thing unless you're a defender of an idiot featured here……:P
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

No idea. No worries, I'll just whitelist you.
AlwaysInFlyoverCountry

I need a chicken pen period. Maybe that way I can keep the free-ranging “pet” that killed my chickens the last time from killing them again. The problem I have is I can't block off access to my propane tank, my machine shed, or my electric meter and I can't figure out how to put up the pen without doing at least one of the three.

I do know that the pen will be made of cyclone fencing, it will have an anti-dig apron, it will be movable (so I can relocate it from year to year), and it will have electric wires on long insulators at 6″, two feet, four feet, and at the top of the six foot fencing. I don't imagine the neighbor's “pet” will have to tangle with the electric wire more than once before it learns the buffet has been closed.

–Al
aka jas

Is it just me? But everyone that is “offended” about this guy taking action on his own property kind piss me off and frustrate me.

I really needed to share that.
Parrot Toes (kathybird)

I will assume that's a good thing and you will assume that I love you…….

…..OK, you know I love ya.
http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

Don't buy into it, Sugarglider. I have it under good authority that Honeystone is nuts.
Wends

Only bad thing is, as has been stated previously, if this is a rural area there likely is no such thing as animal control and response time to an animal mutilating livestock may be so slow as to be nonexistent. Speaking with my my cousins in ND about this subject matter, Jeff replied that the local authorities won't do anything, because it's quite expected that a farmer will take matters into his own hands. It's not the job of the police to wrangle stray dogs/wild animals. So calling the cops/animal control to have them deal with it will likely result in the total loss of his flock and perhaps the decimation of a portion of his livelihood.
AlwaysInFlyoverCountry

Same thing here. The cities run animal control, and since I am outside the city — and the city (actually town) I am outside of doesn't even have a police department — I get to be my own animal control. That's why I want to put up an electric wire around my chicken run.

–Al
Mrssteinbeck

Yeah, they really should pay for the chickens. I hadn't even thought of that! :/

I know dogs will be dogs, but what if it hadn't been chickens? What if it had been a toddler? I feel bad for the dog, I feel bad for the children who lost their pet, but the dog was left on a leash all day…? It doesn't sound to me, either, like Jack had great owners.
Mrssteinbeck

I'm sorry, I totally forgot that you used to have pet chickens. I just know so much about you, internet stranger, that sometimes it's hard to remember all the details! Forgive me?

I also totally forgot that your personal code of conduct pertaining to foreign animals on your property is the code of conduct we're all supposed to be adhering to. Like I said, so much to remember about you!

You're not very bright, are you?
Mrssteinbeck

Honestly, if a vicious dog was attacking me and I had to choose between a knife or a big stick, I'd choose the knife. It's not like I'd go for the dog's throat or anything. I imagine I'd madly slash at it in an attempt to defend myself.

I personally don't know what I'd do if I had the same options, and the dog was attacking my chickens rather than me. I don't condemn the pastor at all, but I can't say what my own reaction would have been. I love dogs. But I wouldn't put up with them terrorizing me or my farm. :/
EveryVillainIsLemons

While I like dogs, I also like chickens. Regardless of what the man did in the past, those neighbors are assholes for standing around while nine of his chickens were needlessly slaughtered.

And one more thing: all of this could have been prevented if the dog's owner had kept the dog on a leash, in a run, or in a fence. It makes me especially angry because she had to have KNOWN that he had killed a dog in the past.
Honestyone

First, It’s Honestyone, not Honeystone. I’m 45 yrs old, working towards my Bachelors in Psychology with a direction towards children with personality disorders. Children, animals and the most vulnerable inspire me everyday. Someday, I hope to be able to help children with personality disorders, before they reach the pages of the DD. I don’t know where you got your info but its absolutely incorrect. To Sugarglider thank you for the kind words.
Anonymous

Doh!
Anonymous

Huh. That’s messed up (not you, but the lack of options for people in the country). But I know that when my mom and her husband have had trouble with bears (black bears) on their land, which they have a few times over the years, there’s been someone she has called to come track and relocate the bears. I never paid too much attention to who she said she was calling, though, so I really don’t know. Not animal control, I guess, but some country/state version? I was always more interested in just hearing about the havoc the bears caused along the valley. In my mom’s case, it was nothing too exciting: the bears destroyed and ate all their corn, that sort of thing.
Honestyone

If you think you know me, then by all means check out my profiles. I have nothing to hide, nor am I “not very bright”. I may not know it all, but I do know a lot about some topics. Most of all, my heart is always in the right place.

http://www.myspace.com/playin4ffun
http://www.facebook.com/TraceyHaynesAllard
Anonymous

It has its compensations. I have a 5000 square foot vegetable garden with room to almost quadruple that if I don’t put in the dozen fruit trees I’ve been considering, peace and quiet, decent neighbors with one exception (the owner of the chicken-killer), room to keep a dozen chickens (or more — I can keep up to 80 and still maintain minimal animal husbandry standards) without having to get a permit, and enough distance from my neighbors (1/4 mile to the closest) that I can fire up the smoker without having him call the fire department out on me. Plus living in the city raised Hell with my PTSD.

–Al
Anonymous

It has its compensations. I have a 5000 square foot vegetable garden with room to almost quadruple that if I don’t put in the dozen fruit trees I’ve been considering, peace and quiet, decent neighbors with one exception (the owner of the chicken-killer), room to keep a dozen chickens (or more — I can keep up to 80 and still maintain minimal animal husbandry standards) without having to get a permit, and enough distance from my neighbors (1/4 mile to the closest) that I can fire up the smoker without having him call the fire department out on me. Plus living in the city raised Hell with my PTSD.

–Al
Anonymous

It has its compensations. I have a 5000 square foot vegetable garden with room to almost quadruple that if I don’t put in the dozen fruit trees I’ve been considering, peace and quiet, decent neighbors with one exception (the owner of the chicken-killer), room to keep a dozen chickens (or more — I can keep up to 80 and still maintain minimal animal husbandry standards) without having to get a permit, and enough distance from my neighbors (1/4 mile to the closest) that I can fire up the smoker without having him call the fire department out on me. Plus living in the city raised Hell with my PTSD.

–Al
Anonymous

It has its compensations. I have a 5000 square foot vegetable garden with room to almost quadruple that if I don’t put in the dozen fruit trees I’ve been considering, peace and quiet, decent neighbors with one exception (the owner of the chicken-killer), room to keep a dozen chickens (or more — I can keep up to 80 and still maintain minimal animal husbandry standards) without having to get a permit, and enough distance from my neighbors (1/4 mile to the closest) that I can fire up the smoker without having him call the fire department out on me. Plus living in the city raised Hell with my PTSD.

–Al
Mrssteinbeck

So you’re not only dumb, you’re also wee bit off your rocker. How fun!
Mrssteinbeck

So you’re not only dumb, you’re also wee bit off your rocker. How fun!
Mrssteinbeck

So you’re not only dumb, you’re also wee bit off your rocker. How fun!
Mrssteinbeck

So you’re not only dumb, you’re also wee bit off your rocker. How fun!
Mrssteinbeck

“I’m 45 yrs old, working towards my Bachelors in Psychology with a direction towards children with personality disorders.”

Oooooh, OK, that explains why you’re an authority on the psychology of dogs! Whoops. Thanks for letting us know.
Mrssteinbeck

“I’m 45 yrs old, working towards my Bachelors in Psychology with a direction towards children with personality disorders.”

Oooooh, OK, that explains why you’re an authority on the psychology of dogs! Whoops. Thanks for letting us know.
Mrssteinbeck

“I’m 45 yrs old, working towards my Bachelors in Psychology with a direction towards children with personality disorders.”

Oooooh, OK, that explains why you’re an authority on the psychology of dogs! Whoops. Thanks for letting us know.
Mrssteinbeck

“I’m 45 yrs old, working towards my Bachelors in Psychology with a direction towards children with personality disorders.”

Oooooh, OK, that explains why you’re an authority on the psychology of dogs! Whoops. Thanks for letting us know.
esteban

Agreed. I sometimes hike in the hills here in LA and stupid people let their evil fucking dogs run up to me barking and snapping. And they get mad at me when I scream at them to get their goddamn dog away from me. This story just convinced me to buy some pepper spray or repellant to spray in dogs faces that come up to me to bark without a leash. sorry people….leash your beasts or get them messed with.
esteban

Agreed. I sometimes hike in the hills here in LA and stupid people let their evil fucking dogs run up to me barking and snapping. And they get mad at me when I scream at them to get their goddamn dog away from me. This story just convinced me to buy some pepper spray or repellant to spray in dogs faces that come up to me to bark without a leash. sorry people….leash your beasts or get them messed with.
esteban

Agreed. I sometimes hike in the hills here in LA and stupid people let their evil fucking dogs run up to me barking and snapping. And they get mad at me when I scream at them to get their goddamn dog away from me. This story just convinced me to buy some pepper spray or repellant to spray in dogs faces that come up to me to bark without a leash. sorry people….leash your beasts or get them messed with.
esteban

the dog had it comin’. I’ll bet the neighbors won’t as cavalier to let their beasts onto his property in the future. By the way….i’m not a fan of dogs…yours or any others.
esteban

the dog had it comin'. I'll bet the neighbors won't as cavalier to let their beasts onto his property in the future. By the way….i'm not a fan of dogs…yours or any others.
frequentguest

Exactly, they are predators. In the wild, predators learn to kill by “playing” with smaller animals. I have seen younger puppies get into serious fights with other puppies that were in no way “playful” in nature. There is no way to actually know what the dogs intentions were. But to state that the dog was simply “playing” is ludicrous. He wasn't frolicking in a field with them, he was killing them.
captaingrumpy

If the pastor wants his chickens to range free then he should be allowed to. Its the fault of the dog owners.They are the same the world over.Same with cats killing birds.Lock up your pets if they kill other peoples animals.
captaingrumpy

If the pastor wants his chickens to range free then he should be allowed to. Its the fault of the dog owners.They are the same the world over.Same with cats killing birds.Lock up your pets if they kill other peoples animals.
captaingrumpy

If the pastor wants his chickens to range free then he should be allowed to. Its the fault of the dog owners.They are the same the world over.Same with cats killing birds.Lock up your pets if they kill other peoples animals.
captaingrumpy

If the pastor wants his chickens to range free then he should be allowed to. Its the fault of the dog owners.They are the same the world over.Same with cats killing birds.Lock up your pets if they kill other peoples animals.
captaingrumpy

If you love your pets then look after them. Dont let them roam and kill other animals. Stop complaining if someone protects their property.
captaingrumpy

If you love your pets then look after them. Dont let them roam and kill other animals. Stop complaining if someone protects their property.
captaingrumpy

If you love your pets then look after them. Dont let them roam and kill other animals. Stop complaining if someone protects their property.
captaingrumpy

If you love your pets then look after them. Dont let them roam and kill other animals. Stop complaining if someone protects their property.
http://www.facebook.com/tempest.letrope Tempest Nightingale LeTrope

I must agree. Also, perhaps he could have invested in some mace or such. When I initially read the story I thought perhaps he was justified, but then seeing as he had also killed dogs that did not appear to be doing anything it gave me pause.
http://www.facebook.com/tempest.letrope Tempest Nightingale LeTrope

I must agree. Also, perhaps he could have invested in some mace or such. When I initially read the story I thought perhaps he was justified, but then seeing as he had also killed dogs that did not appear to be doing anything it gave me pause.
Anonymous

Oh. . .this story. . .my opinion shifted in some ways the more I looked into both the story itself and the larger picture. I wouldn’t say he wasn’t justified or didn’t have a right, I just think he seems like a jerk in general. I mean, personally, I’ve never a killed some cat or dog JUST for wandering onto my property, even though that sort of thing happens all the time, and he himself says he’s done such things on other occasions over nothing. That just makes him a jerk in my eyes, regardless of his rights and regardless of this particular situation with the chickens. Everyone in this story actually seems kinda cruddy to me.
KBunnie

If people love their damn pets so much, stop letting them run loose on other peoples property. Are they going to clean up after their pets trespass on others properties? Will they pay for damage being done? He shouldnt be in jail over this bs.
Anonymous

I have 6 dogs mostly rescue and they are friendly and play with the cats. But let a bird get with in reach and it is a goner, unless it is my geese and they will chase those weenie dogs to hell and back. Yes a 6 month old dog will kill chickens. It is not the dogs fault is the owners. I don’t hunt and I don’t kill animals unless there is no other recourse. My dogs live on 50 fenced acres. Kill one of my dogs and I will burn your house down with you in it. A number of years ago some guy intentionally tried to run down my dog several times . His car got hauled to the scrap yard after it cooled down.
Anonymous

Fact is he’s right. in all most all Rural areas is legal to Shoot strays Running or harming Live stock.
Unless you live in La-La PETA land.
As liberals infest rural areas they try to inflict their Stupid ideology on everyone else.
Anonymous

I totally agree, Sugarglider. Just because you CAN kill dogs on your property, doesn’t mean you SHOULD in every situation. The black lab wasn’t actually doing anything wrong, just running with his owner right behind trying to catch up. The husky puppy was stabbed to death, which is just fucking weird. And them there’s the THIRD dog. I agree that people should keep their dogs leashed, but that doesn’t mean he has to kill each and every dog that wanders on his property. I think a pastor having a shoot first, ask questions later policy is hardly conducive to neighborhood harmony. Shooting a dog being chased by it’s owner and choosing to kill the husky with a KNIFE goes to show his lack of character IMO. I don’t think he’s done anything illegal, I think he’s a fucking dick. That is all. We’ve all known people who are goddamn strident idiots about their vaunted property. If it was just the chicken-killing dog, that would be a bit different (except for the ghoulish knife element), but this asshole has thrown up red flags with those other dogs. I would be shocked if the good pastor has ever met anyone who truly liked him.