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Man Accused Of Molesting Young Daughter In Public

August 19, 2010 at 7:17 am by  

Scottsdale, AZ – A woman called 911 Monday morning to report that she’d seen “an elderly man” in her neighborhood molesting a young girl. “Um i just saw an elderly man in my neighborhood that I’m not familiar with,” she told the dispatcher. The dispatcher asked the woman to describe what she had seen. “He had her up in a tree… it was very shocking… I tried to follow, he clearly saw me, I don’t think he was sure whether I clearly saw what he was doing, I definitely did.” The caller went on to say the man had the little girl up in a tree and she was naked from the waist down. The man was reportedly committing a sexual act on the child as she sat in the tree. She said the man took off when he realized he’d been seen. Officers blocked off the area while they tracked the alleged molester down. Police say the man in question is 63-year-old Albert Guzman. The child, his own 4-year-old daughter. He was booked on one count of sexual conduct with a minor and one count of public sexual indecency after he was found with the child. Guzman denied having any sexual contact with the child. At this point, police don’t believe there are any other victims. What happened to the child after Guzman’s arrest is unknown.

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  • ProudWife05

    This is just sick. And what person in their right mind would let that crawl on top of them and get them pergnant? Yuck!!!!!! What is wrong with people?

  • http://www.facebook.com/cie.cheesemeister Cie Cheesemeister

    I'm not feeling very clever this morning so I will very astutely just say:
    EEEEWWWWWW!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evonne-Jansen/1029410907 Evonne Jansen

    Holy crap, looks like Mel Gibson.

  • leah 7

    this old pevert is the dad of a 4yr old daughter? how repulsive. What did the mom do? just hope for the childs sake she with the love and help from others will be able to get that repulsive freak out of her mind

  • KAOS

    Have mercy, put this mother out of his misery. Why couldn't he be seen by somebody who would just beat him mercilessly. Great job by the neighbor for calling it in.

  • Sugarglider1

    Fantasies of wiping that smirk off his face–with a sledgehammer.

  • sgtsomebody

    That poor little girl! The man that was supposed to love her the most does this? WTF is wrong with these people? There is no fitting punishment for this sicko but I'm thinking death by Waterboarding over a month or two time span…

  • pandy

    Ya know, thank God he was caught. I lived with a pedophile for a father for the first 13 years of my life and it only got worse and worse. At that young of an age, that girl has been groomed to believe that is a normal activity between a father and a daughter…that is, if she's in contact with him on a regular basis. More than his perversion, he should be ashamed about taking that child's father away from her, not being the one thing that a little girl needs. I'm a fucking 35 year old mother of 3 now and am still more pissed about my Dad not being a Dad than anything.

    God, I hope he's out of her life forever now. Maybe that little one will have a chance. Men like that do not stop.

  • TKaz

    Pandy's right. Especially the grooming part, no way this was an isolated incident either.

    I saw the street sign, I know this area. It's known as McCormick Ranch, not a new area but still a good area. This shit can happen anywhere, it's sickening.
    He had her in a TREE. WTH?

    However – old people can father children, even GOOD old people. My husbands aunt is like 6 yrs younger than him, grandpa remarried. :)

    BTW- I'm a lazy ass & still can't figure out how to login.

  • boughtthefarm

    Whats up with doing it in a damn tree??

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    How can a 63 year old have a four-year-old child? Well, he's already proven that he likes 'em younger…

  • Scavengerofhumansorrow

    An oldie, but a nasty. Stick a government pine in his puckerhole, and pull the pin.

  • Sugarglider1

    I'm sorry. : – (

    It's great that someone not only saw what this man was doing, but actually did the right thing and reported him.

  • Sugarglider1

    Hee…old people have sex, too.

  • Sugarglider1

    Um, by which I just mean it's not THAT unusual for a man in his 60s to be the father of a young child.

  • Isabella Serafina

    I'm so sorry for what you went through.

  • Isabella Serafina

    WTF, he was too lazy to bend over, so he put her in a tree? He needs to be nailed to a tree and left for the coyotes. Sick bastard.

  • The_Shadow_Knows

    Maybe he has a bad back. I hope so.

    Coyotes would be good. Fire ants would also work.

  • IntelligentVirtue

    Thank goodness for the neighbor. I want to poke a hole in the fuckers head and slowly vacuum his brain out, making sure he stays conscious to feel it.

    May you find healing little chica.

  • Holly Golightly

    I say hang him from that fucking tree!

  • Breadstix

    I totally understand. My step father molested me. They don't stop. Once they're busted they just move on to the next child. It breaks my heart to know another little girl (or boy) has to deal with this for the rest of their lives too. I'm over paranoid now. When I see a man with his daughter I automatically watch him closely to make sure he's not hurting her. I do this with my own brother-in-law. I say hang him from the same tree he molested his daughter in. Sick fuck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kennyhackett Kenny Hackett

    In a tree? Really? That has to be the worst place to commit that kind of crime, fucking everyone can see you, you nasty ass pervert. What a fucking douche nozzle.

  • madbitch

    Fucking pig!! He needs a fat branch from that tree stuffed up his ass. Cant imagine even shaking this guys hand, let alone crawling in bed with him.

  • pandy

    It's just programmed in us, I guess. I don't even understand that Dad-Daughter bond. I tend to watch my husband with my girls and that pisses me off….that that son of a bitch could make me doubt the most wonderful man I've ever met. It's all understood in our household but man…just something else that Bob ruined. BTW…I spoke up at 20 and he was sentenced to 8 years but only served 7 months. Nice.

  • Isabella Serafina

    And thank God someone did. I swear to God, I would have snapped seeing that and run up and kicked him square in the nuts as hard as I could. THEN called 911.

  • Greenmtnboy

    I have said it before, if our jurisprudence were not so fucked up, you could simply shoot someone like this. When it all came out, a grand jury would all look at each other going, what the fuck, and let the shooter off. If you had a cell phone camera in one hand and a pistol in the other you could cover your ass with a pic or video, then drill the old hump, and it ought to be all good. But our culture is poisonous now, and this sort of shit happens all the time because we can't act and the authoritis won't.

  • Jgo555

    Eww! & Ugh! At least he did it in public so the child can be rescued. Who tha f*ck has a child with this old piece of skin & bones!? & BTW did he think that because he's old he can do whatever tha hell he wants!?

  • nicb

    Girl I feel your pain. My stepdad was looking at 100+ yrs for the abuse he did to me and what do they do give him a 10yr plea bargain and with all the evidence they had even now I don't understand it. The sickest part is that when mom died and he was charged for me they allowed him to keep my little sister–according to the da most molesters don't do it to their bio kids–they could not have been more wrong!! I understand the paranoia also as I can barely let my son stay the night anywhere and my daughter still hasn't, I know that's not fair to them but I'm too scared to allow it. Btw stats show on average they are not caught until the 100th victim..scary huh…

  • nicb

    LOVE your ideas greenmtnboy! If only people would see the light we would not have all these repeat offenders. Rehabilitation my ass.

  • misssmartypants

    O.K. Thank you neighbor lady! This same shit happened to me when I was a 9 yo little twerp in a Fred Myer parking lot. But heres whats different: A woman went to get in her car that was parked next to my stepdads, and LOOKED INTO MY EYES, while my stepdad was working his jollies on me! And that cunt DROVE OFF!! DID NOTHING!! NOTHING!!! It only reinforced my stepdads threat that no one would save me.Jesus fucking Christ. So, to that lady who saw this monstrosity, and called the cops, you saved a little girl. Damn, you are my hero and you are going to get crazy good shit happening for you.

  • Taterbugs

    Oh my. How someone can overlook such a thing is beyond me!

  • soplisako80

    Not every person is as cold hearted as the lady who drove off while you were being abused.. I myself have called the police on people in parking lots before.. Never for sexual abuse.. But for other things like one time this lady started to beat her kid because he climbed into the car on the wrong side. She told him to get in on the driver side and climb across and the kid just ignored her and went to the passenger side. The mother flew off the handle and started punching the kid right in front of me. My boyfriend drove behind her van and we blocked her in until the police showed up. I don't like being all up in another persons business but if you abuse a child in front of me I will have to get involved. I hope that lady who just drove away has nightmares every night about the little girl she could have saved!! And I hope your step father gets every thing he deserves!!

  • misssmartypants

    Its funny you should say that at the end. Hes still out there for the last 33 years, still taking up with women who sacrifice their baby girls for him. About every 4 or 5 years I get a visit from detectives wanting to talk to me and my adult sisters about him and what he did to us as little girls. But he picks them (the moms) just right, so the girls look like liars,unreliable, and their mommys go along with it to keep him.I dont know why, I've seen him naked, close up.. He gets away with it. Because the mommys wont cooperate(including mine), and stab their babies in the back, the D.A out here drop the case. Every time. So, the perv that got caught messing with his 4 year old, well the detectives should also contact every female child hes been in contact with, grown up now or not. Cause hes been at it for a long time. Sad thing is, its very probable that their mommys are worthless assholes, knew about it, and still wont stick up for their girls. Those cops better work hard.

  • Sugarglider1

    That's a horror story. Sorry, misssmartyants, that's a hell of a lot to carry around with you and have to deal with. I hope you and your sisters are at least close.

  • headonapike

    WTF , Is this pervert having kids at an old age just to molest them? Castrate the fucker and throw him to the sharks. How completely fucked up, and only 4 years old? People like this shouldn't even be able to exist.

  • EveryVillainIsLemons

    Of course it isn't–he just had to find one that was old enough to be fertile, but young enough to turn him on.

  • soplisako80

    How sad that all the women could choose a man over their children.. Though I am not surprised after reading the horror stories on this site. I am so sorry you had to grow up with a mother like that. No child deserves that!! My cousins mother did the same thing to her as a child and it took her getting pregnant at the age of 11 for her to finally wake up and realize what was going on. Yet she never called the police or admitted what happened. She just quit dating the man and arranged for an abortion for her daughters baby. This man raped my cousin for years and nobody believed her. They ruined her like she is now a worthless crack head who has 4 kids who she never sees. This man even molested my little sister and my mom just couldn't bring herself to admit it happened. They just all pushed it under the rug and acted like nothing happened. I am sure if this man is still alive he is still out hurting little girls and that makes me sick. My only peace is that I believe in the end he will pay for what he has done. I pray that this man gets caught on a regular basis. I will pray for the same with your step father, One day he will end up choosing the wrong child and the walls will come crumbing in on him. I am truly sorry for what happened to you!! I have seen first hand how it can destroy a life even if it doesn't kill the person they are dead on the inside.

  • Peter4Peace

    Here's a thought, a rope, a rock and a high cliff should ease some worries about this nutjob.

  • Wolfcat87

    huh? a tree? WTF?

  • Kgirlgone

    Here is a comment found on ABC 15.com in Arizona regarding this wrinkly POS:

    azzenstudent:

    “I don't know Guzman but I know his next-door neighbor. He says Guzman is innocent, that the purported sexual assault actually involved him bringing his daughter down from a tree she was climbing. Because he has Guillaume-Barre disease, he's unable to reach above his shoulders. The daughter's torso landed on his face. This is the “assault” that was witnessed.

    A word of caution to the online lynch mob ready to castrate or murder this man. There's a reason we have due process. Ignorance is obviously bliss to certain kinds of people but more civilized people adhere to due process. It's frightening to think that people like the ones here might actually sit on juries”.

    Yeaah okaayyy……

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. Nobody was naked. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. Nobody was naked. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. Nobody was naked. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • Albert Guzman

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • AG

    I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • AG

    Your hero is a zero..I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • AG

    Perhaps we should throw the “witness” to the sharks. I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • AG

    The nutjob is accuser. I am Albert Guzman. During an exercise walk, my daughter wanted to sit in the tree. I held my daughter in the tree, so she would not fall down. There were no pants or underwear off. Nobody was naked. There was no molestation or indecent exposure. The accuser lied about what she saw. The police spent 10 days interviewing many people, checking my DNA, checking daughter’s DNA, inspecting my clothes, inspecting her clothes, inspecting every square foot of my home, reinterviewing the “witness,” AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING. The entire case was dismissed!

  • VXIII

    If you are innocent, so sorry Albert Guzman, dont come here and read this, it will only hurt you, dont let it kill you, you are old now, if you are innocent I know you love your daughter even if you had them old, No need to come here and post like that but I understand, if you are innocent… This must be most fuckedup shit to read,.. if you are innocent…

  • VXIII

    and if this happened to you Al we are sorry, we were trying to protect the girl, she is a crazy bitch for accusing this old man of doing nasty with his child… Look what we do here, most of the time people have done what they are accused of and admit to it, here we have someone didnt do it, some bitch calls police and accuses a innocent man, I cant even fathom how that would feel, well actually I can and its not a good feeling, sorry Al, all these comments were left in defense of your baby girl… wish I knew your email,

  • VXIII

    and I also apologise to your daughter, poor little girl ripped from Daddys arms only to be probed by strangers… we are sorry AL… so sorry…

  • Sugarglider1

    Of course he's saying he's innocent. They almost always do.

    Meanwhile, the kid just happened to be naked from the waist down, with, apparently, her GENITALS quite visible to this woman. And the guy just happened to take off once the woman saw what he was doing. And what are these weird excuses about not being able to lift his arms up high and the daughter just happening to land on his FACE?????? What does that have to do with anything? Nothing, except that from his own excuses I can unfortunately guess exactly what “SEX ACTS” the woman thinks she saw.

  • Sugarglider1

    Uh, the only thing I'm sorry about at this point is the fact that this woman did not get a chance to take a picture with a cell phone.

  • Sugarglider1

    “here we have someone didnt do it”

    What is going on with you? May I remind you that the caller told police “the man had the little girl up in a tree with her underwear and pants off, and that he ran away when he realized he'd been seen”? Yes, According to the Phoenix papers, that is what we are talking about here.

    “sorry Al, all these comments were left in defense of your baby girl… wish I knew your email”

    You want to email him and offer your support? So all someone has to do to convince you they aren't a molester is say so? Damn.

  • Sugarglider1

    Really? Because I can't find ANYTHING on the internet about the case being dismissed.

    By the way, many other parts of your post don't what make sense. Why would they need to “check” your “DNA”? What are you talking about?

  • Sugarglider1

    That 4 year old sure must be a good tree-climber, if she was able to get up that high in a tree. But why would an adult let a 4 year old climb a tree higher than a man's head? Especially if the adult is physically unable to lift his arms up higher than his own shoulders? Call me cynical, but it doesn't make sense to me, and I'd like to see his answers to these questions I just posed.

  • Sugarglider1

    p.s. If I may ask, where's Mrs. Guzman, the much-younger woman (would have to be at least 20 years younger than you) who is the mother of the child? Honestly, the very fact that you are calling a walk an “exercise walk” says something about where you are age-wise. I haven't seen anything about there being a mom involved, which seems odd. Nor did you mention a mom. No offense, but you honestly are very old to be raising a child alone. Not only because you allegedly have some debilitating and progressively worsening syndrome (according to a post from someone on http://www.abc15.com who claims to know your neighbor), but because if you live to see her grow up despite your poor health, you will be 77 years old when she is graduating high school, and by that age some people can't take even care of themselves. I know that sounds grim, but…is there another parent involved here, or what?

  • Parrot Toes (kathybird)

    Wow, the same comment copy and pasted 16 times on this thread…..way to convince a bunch of strangers. You may need to repeat it a few more times though to get it through our heads. Do you practice these same lines in front of a mirror to yourself? Is this what you said to the cops and the judge? Are you experimenting with the “if they hear it enough times, they will believe it” theory? Personally, I will need you to repeat it at least a thousand more times for it to work on me, I'm not that easy.

  • JGo555

    Yeah right & I'm freaking Angelina Jolie & a billionarie. Sick f*ck!

  • beatlechick

    Did we forget about all the other “innocent” people who were defending themselves on here, when in fact, they were found guilty by a jury of their peers? We have yet to get confirmation of the case dismissal and even if we do, there are no apologies in order from anyone here on this site. We are like minded people sharing our views against child abuse and child sexual abuse. Most of us here were victims of such things in the past and many of us have had our cases dismissed due to “lack of evidence”. Just because the evidence is not there, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Sometimes the best evidence is the emotional scars you carry with you for the rest of your life for being a part of something you never consented to in the first place. It's just too bad that it's not considered concrete evidence.

  • Kgirlgone

    the witness was said to have “followed” you and when you saw her, you ran. If you were not guilty of anything and ahem….”innocently walking your daughter at 8am” then tell us “why did you run”…hmmmmmm???

    And I'd really like to see this “dismissal”.

  • guillotinegirl

    Wrong! The case has not been dismissed. In fact your preliminary hearing was just on August 27th, as stated at the following link:

    http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/ca

  • misssmartypants

    Here I was, eating forbidden fruity pebbles, and on my email is dear ol Al, letting me know Im wrong. Goodbye my love for fruity pebbles.Damn it! Well, Im not sorry.I have dealt with his kind before, and they are cunning and manipulative! I have to agree completly with sugarglider,parrot toes, beatlechick and kgirlgone..They brought up very interesting points, and smart, very smart questions, about the incident. I bet the detectives did the same to this case as it happened to mine and a few other girls. Great investigative work assholes! And as for the lady calling the cops, well so what. I am glad she did.She got involved in the safety for that little girl. She is still my hero, Al. And p.s. I might have taken his response to my comment with my love for fruity pebbles intact, but it was like a fuckin late night commercial.

  • misssmartypants

    Holy fuck! I actually looked through his repeated posts, and noticed he must've read mine very carefully. Check it out.

  • ProudWife05

    Just wondering, where is the report that states all this????? And why can I not find anything saying that there was no evidence of any wrongdoing???? Why can't I find anything that says the entire case has been dismissed????? Show me, I'm waiting. Sorry buddy, but there is too much that points to you being a fucking perv. Why don't you go rub one out some place and stop touching little kids. You make sick and I hope you burn in hell for what you have done. You ruined this childs life you fucking low life piece of shit!

  • ProudWife05

    OMG! This isn't the only place he has posted his same old BS. Look herehttp://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/scottsdale/sexual-conduct-minor-public-08182010 and go down to the comments and you will see that he has posted the same line of crap that he has posted on her.

  • vxiii

    You are all probobly right, he just might be bsing, I just feel bad for the little girl either way…

  • VXIII

    I just keep remembering Cameron Todd Willingham who was actually executed for killing his kids when he didnt, I feel pity and sorrow for someone who is accused of something they didnt do, just me though… I guess I better borrow that flame retardent suit now and the helmet too…

  • misssmartypants

    Oh boy. I looked it up.Youre the smartypants! On his response to me, he not only gave the usual post, but personalized it with the opening of “your hero is a zero” which was about the last line in my previous post. So he read mine in its entirety. Oh yummy, I gave a skeeve a jolly. He didnt personalize them before mine, but he did mine and those after me. Holy shit I could laugh how clever they think they are, but I already choked on my fruity pebbles.

  • Sugarglider1

    Oh, come on. If he didn't do it, it definitely sucks for him that his name was put on blast. Anyone would feel sorry for someone in that case, not just you. And that might be the case here. All we really know at this point is:
    –this woman definitely thought she saw it, so much so that she went to some lengths to follow him, etc
    –following their investigation, they thought they had good reason to arrest him
    –following further investigation, they concluded they didn't have enough evidence to take it further
    –the person who posted here over and over (Albert himself, it seems) does not want to be thought guilty of this crime

    It's the little things here that are weird. Where's the much-younger mom? If the little girl IS Asian as described by the caller (?), was there some mail-order-bride for this guy, or what? (Was it some other girl, and not his daughter, in that tree?) And why was his DNA checked, or his daughter's? And why did he say the caller was simply “lying” rather than saying she was wrong about what she saw? And why did he run away when she saw him? And if the little girl was NOT naked from waist down, what the hell was she wearing other than, like, a shirt, such that the caller swore the child had no pants or panties on? And for what reason did they arrest him after investigating him? And what's all this business about his arms? I don't know…just a weird story. But, sure, the woman could have been wrong. In which case, sucks for the guy.

    Still not seeing anything from the news venues in Arizona about them halting the investigation. Be interesting to see what is printed about that, but there's nothing out there…

  • AlwaysInFlyoverCountry

    I took a look at the court web site and found out, like guillotinegirl did, that the preliminary hearing for this case was last Friday (as I write Sunday evening). And that the web site is updated on Wednesdays.

    At the moment there is no disposition shown for either charge. That may or may not change Wednesday. I know I'll be taking a look Thursday to see if there is a disposition listed.

    –Al (not Guzman)

  • Sugarglider1

    Ah. So it sounds like it got thrown out kin Friday, huh? Still surprised not to see it in local news venues. 'Cause those don't run on when the court's website gets updated, you know?

  • headonapike

    I googled your name, Albert. The community does seem surprised at what you are accused of. However, at this point, I could find no evidence that your case was dismissed. Perhaps you should post some kind of evidence that we could look up to see your case was dismissed. If you really are innocent, I would like to see more evidence of that besides your post.

  • headonapike

    Albert has been on here claiming his innocence. If he really is innocent, I'm sorry. He says the case was dismissed, but googling his name, I could find no evidence of that, only articles charging him with the crime. Most of us here are defending the victims and we don't like child molesters and other similar hooligans. Personally, I would like to see evidence of his innocence before I apologize for my comment.

  • headonapike

    He replied to me,also. I googled his name, and so far there is no article saying the case was thrown out. I remain skeptical of what he says.

  • AlwaysInFlyoverCountry

    news venues don't run on when the court's website gets updated, you know?

    That is true. Semicolon however comma. “If it bleeds it leads” is how almost all news organizations run.

    Arrested for kiddy fiddling? Yep, run it. Charges dropped? Well, if there is nothing better to run — say, a bake sale or an ice cream social — then run it; otherwise, let it drop. And a three-car accident at the corner of Calm Drive and Laid-back Lane will displace all three, if a celebrity or politician is in one of the cars.

    Now, if somebody can make the argument that the police department was racially profiling then of course the newspapers would be all over it like white on rice. Since I'm not seeing the papers printing anything about that angle I am waiting for the court's web site to update.

    –Al

  • AG

    I, too, am looking for dismissal information on the Internet. Scottsdale Police called my wife to announce “my release” Thursday at 11 am. I will probably get some papers or a reference to indicate that the case was dismissed. I’m definitely not being held for any more questions. I’m with my loving family, which was nearly destroyed by lies and false accusations. I call the statements of the 911 call “lies,” because they were falsehoods, made-up descriptions, and untruthful descriptions of my holding my daughter so she would not fall down. Why would someone (the accuser) go to all the trouble, etc? That someone was molested as a child, and my hypothesis is that she is looking for the same situation and trying to save someone else. Why the DNA tests? My friend, you would have to ask the police. I don’t know why any of this happened. It was all a crazy nightmare to me. That you for discussing this matter with me. Protecting children from molestation and abuse is a gravely serious matter.

  • AG

    The mother is my wife, and we are all back together again. You had stated, “honestly are very old to be raising a child alone.” I’m not alone. Your comments about my exercise are well taken, but really don’t involve anything illegal. “You will be 77 years old when she is graduating high school.” That will be true if the Lord allows it. My condition is not worsening. I am healthy in terms of heart, blood, and likely longevity. It’s just that I have muscle weakness that makes my running/walking and other activities very slow. Thanks for being so concerned about a gravely serious issue – molestation and abuse of children.

  • Sugarglider1

    The only reason for DNA tests that I can think of would be to see if your daughter is actually your daughter.

    If you're innocent, then of course you are angry and freaked out. But bashing the 911 caller as a liar or nutjob (as you said on another post) doesn't really fit the bill. IF the woman who called 911 actually WAS molested, that only makes her one of many, many people (look up the stats), and most people, molested or not, don't tend to go around hallucinating that children aren't wearing clothes when they are. officers determined during investigation that there was enough evidence for an arrest, and so you were arrested. Cases are often dismissed because it's determined that there isn't enough evidence for a conviction in a trial. Dismissal doesn't necessarily mean someone is innocent. If you are innocent, then I am very glad the case was dismissed.

  • AG

    I was doing my “running” exercise, as I do 4 times a week in the neighborhood. I pump my arms and raise my knees extra high to get my pulse up for 20 minutes. The speed is about a 26-minute mile, which is like a normal person just walking. Consequently, some call this a walk; some call it a run. So I wasn’t “running away” from anyone – just doing my regular exercise.

  • Sugarglider1

    Since there didn't seem to be any statement from your wife in any of the news stories, it made it sound like you were a single parent (and isn't your syndrome a progressive/degenerative one?). That makes me curious–why weren't there any words from your wife in any of the articles about your case?????? Can you tell us? I'm honestly wondering.

  • AG

    Thank you for your concern. I, too, saw similar information and was quite dismayed. I learned that that hearing became vacated (canceled) when I talked to my attorney about April 23. I didn’t even get any papers when I was released. All I know is my wife got a call from Scottsdale Police at 11 am Thursday saying I would be released between 3 am and 6 am Friday morning, which did occur. I am still checking for some “official citing” regarding my “case dismissed – no evidence of wrongdoing – no criminal record” status. It will probably be in some public document for print or Internet reading. By all means let me know at this web site if you see something. Otherwise I guess we’ll have to do something like meet for coffee at Denny’s to prove to you that I’m free and innocent.

  • AG

    Thank you for your concern. I, too, saw similar information and was quite dismayed. I learned that that hearing became vacated (canceled) when I talked to my attorney about April 23. I didn’t even get any papers when I was released. All I know is my wife got a call from Scottsdale Police at 11 am Thursday saying I would be released between 3 am and 6 am Friday morning, which did occur. I am still checking for some “official citing” regarding my “case dismissed – no evidence of wrongdoing – no criminal record” status. It will probably be in some public document for print or Internet reading. By all means let me know at this web site if you see something. Otherwise I guess we’ll have to do something like meet for coffee at Denny’s to prove to you that I’m free and innocent.

  • Sugarglider1

    May I ask HOW your child is able to keep up with you on this 26 minute mile?

  • Sugarglider1

    Sorry to split hairs, but free and innocent aren't actually synonyms…although, certainly, we are all thrilled here when they mean the same thing.

  • ProudWife05

    Oh boy, here you go putting the same response to everyone on here. I seen in one of your comments that you didn't get any papers when you were released? I call BS! How do we know that you are not out on bond? Or if you are who you claim to be? And meet you at Denny's for coffee? Yeah, fat chance of that ever happening! And as of for you being innocent, I'll believe it when I see proof. Sorry to be a bitch, but I wasn't born yesterday. No I take that back, I'm not sorry for being a bitch because I like being a bitch.

  • Sugarglider1

    Really, I'm having trouble with this one. A 4 year old would not be able to keep up with an adult speed-walking for 20 minutes. And it's not like you could carry a child for 20 minutes while pumping your arms and legs up and down, or even hold her hand (even assuming you would be physically able to carry her that long). So, how does this exercise walk of yours work?

  • guillotinegirl

    I think you mean free on bail, not free and innocent. Nothing personal, but I'm inclined to take the word of the Arizona Supreme Court's website over your own.

    I've signed up for email updates on your case and will be happy to post (with supporting links) when and if your case is indeed dismissed. To be fair, the website does state to allow 24 hours for case updates.

  • ProudWife05

    IDK Sugarglider, I'm calling BS on this guy. I think that maybe he might be out on bond or maybe this isn't even Albert Guzman. I wont believe all the crap he is posting until I see proof. But, thats just me.

  • Sugarglider1

    Along with wondering how he could possibly do a mile's worth of speed walking, arms pumping wildly, with 4 year old in tow, as his explanation for why he seemed to be running away, I am also still wondering where the young wife was in all this. Is she mute? Does she not speak English? Have not seen a single reference to this woman. Maybe he will stop plastering repeated posts as if on auto-pilot and answer these specific questions.

  • misssmartypants

    You know, Al.(if thats you).if I was your lawyer, Id be telling you to shut the fuck up. You are incriminating yourself time and time again. And these people that you are “chatting” with are very smart and chock full of common sense.This isnt the 50s, pal, where you can pull the wool over a ladies eyes.

  • Sugarglider1

    Well, we are cynics are here, and we do know “free” and “innocent” aren't the same thing…cases are dropped all the time, for all kinds of reasons.

  • Sugarglider1

    Yeah, but I want to see him continue to dig a deep hole on the matter of his 4 year old's incredible speed-walking skills. Also, she must have amazing self-discipline to stay alongside daddy's side for 20 minutes while his arms and legs are pumping up and down and all that.

    “This isnt the 50s, pal, where you can pull the wool over a ladies eyes.”

    Not unless you find yourself a mail-order bride who is 3000 years younger than you are and doesn't speak English…still wanna know about this mysterious wife.

  • Anonymous

    UPDATE, Y’ALL!the minutes from August 26 say one thing, and those from August 27 say another. What it SEEMS is that the judge on the 26th ordered the case dismissed FROM THE LOWER COURT, and the commissioner on the 27th ordered that the Preliminary Hearing be vacated and the facts be heard instead by a GRAND JURY IN SUPERIOR COURT. See below:His case is here: http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/ca…Something new has been added since we last looked–the MINUTES of the hearing are posted, and, for August 26, it says:”CASE DISMISSED. Pursuant to State’s Motion to Dismiss, IT IS ORDERED dismissing without prejudice the above-entitled cause, quashing the Warrant/Summons, and exonerating any bond set, all in accordance with the formal written Order signed by the Court August 26, 2010.”And for August 27 it says:”The Court is advised that a Notice of Supervening Indictment has been issued in this caseby the Grand Jury. Therefore, the Preliminary Hearing set for this date for the above-entitledcause number is vacated from the Regional Court Center calendar.”I am confused about how the two sets of minutes add up, but if you go to http://www.arizonadefender.com/azcrimlaw.htm, you will find THIS information (I have bolded what seems like the most relevant part):”In the larger counties in Arizona, preliminary hearings are not generally conducted. The reason for this is they take too much time and tie up valuable judicial resources. Instead, these counties use a GRAND JURY. A grand jury is a group of nine (9) or more persons chosen from the particular county which listen to evidence and decide whether (1) a crime was committed; and (2) that it is more likely than not that you committed it. Grand jury proceedings are secret. They are conducted by the prosecutor. There must be at least 9 votes finding probable cause before an indictment or “true bill” is issued. An indictment contains the formal charges against you. Once a indictment is handed down a NOTICE OF SUPERVENING INDICTMENT is issued along with a date for your ARRAIGNMENT. A notice of supervening indictment is a piece of paper which says you have been indicted by the grand jury and orders you to report to court for your arraignment. If you are still in jail this notice will be served on you and you will be brought to court by the jail officials on the date indicated. If you are out of custody, this notice will be sent to you by mail. YOU MUST APPEAR ON THE DATE AND TIME INDICATED OR THE COURT WILL ISSUE A WARRANT FOR YOUR ARREST.”I think what happens next is Al gets his big day in Superior Court instead of Lower Court. But whatever happens next, nowhere does it say that HE is INNOCENT, or that HE has been exonerated. Due to the fact that he CLEARLY LIED on this forum about having speedwalked for 20 minutes with a 4 year old at his side (LOL!!), I don’t trust him for one second.

    P.S. to Al Guzman: (A) you are a liar, and a bad one (B) only old people, perverts, and perverted old people hang out at Denny’s. FYI.

  • Anonymous

    p.s. Went to the Dictionary of Terms for the State of AZ (http://www.supreme.state.az.us/cacc/archives/FY…) and looked up some terms for further clarification.It’s confusing, but I do THINK that on the 26th his case was actually just dismissed from Lower Court and was instead handed over to grand jury by SUPERVENING INDICTMENT on the 27th after his INITIAL APPEARANCE, to be heard in Superior Court, and if so then he’ll be receiving a NOTICE about it soon enough. Here are the definitions for those capitalized terms:INITIAL APPEARANCE: Date, first hearing after arrest when charges are made known.Defendant appears before a judge and is formally charged. The bond amount is set or otherrelease conditions are made (e.g., Release on Own Recognizance, ROR). The IA must occur within 24 hours by statute (otherwise case dismissed). IA’s are held 2 times per day (9 AM and 9 PM), 365 days per year, via video court.NOTICE: An order requiring defendant whose case has been brought to Superior Court via aSupervening Indictment, to appear in court. Not secret.SUPERVENING INDICTMENT: A Notice of Supervening Indictment is used to order the transfer of case documents to Superior Court. This document is prepared by the County Attorney. A Supervening Indictment removes the need for a Preliminary Hearing (PH) in lower court.GRAND JURY: The vast majority of Grand Jury cases start in Justice Court . When the case is heard by a Grand Jury, the case documentation resides in the lower court. A Notice of Supervening Indictment is used to order the transfer of case documents to Superior Court. This document is prepared by the County Attorney. A Supervening Indictment removes the need for a Preliminary Hearing (PH) in lower court.Fuck–I better get of DD and get to work now. Lulz.I hope there are news reports later today….and maybe Al Tardman will also visit us again with 20 posts about how innocent his wrinkled parts are.

  • Anonymous

    p.s. YEAH–looking back over it all, and pondering the simple fact that “A Notice of Supervening Indictment is used to order the transfer of case documents to Superior Court”…

    I think it was dismissed from the lower court because it was transferred to the Superior Court If so, have fun, AL!

  • Pyncky

    I wonder why some posts are from “Albert Guzman” and some are from “AG”. Are there now TWO posters claiming to be Albert Guzman. AG does not sound (by sound I mean write) like the same man. Me thinks Trolls abound, Zoinks.

  • Pyncky

    I wonder why some posts are from “Albert Guzman” and some are from “AG”. Are there now TWO posters claiming to be Albert Guzman. AG does not sound (by sound I mean write) like the same man. Me thinks Trolls abound, Zoinks.

  • Pyncky

    I wonder why some posts are from “Albert Guzman” and some are from “AG”. Are there now TWO posters claiming to be Albert Guzman. AG does not sound (by sound I mean write) like the same man. Me thinks Trolls abound, Zoinks.

  • Pyncky

    I wonder why some posts are from “Albert Guzman” and some are from “AG”. Are there now TWO posters claiming to be Albert Guzman. AG does not sound (by sound I mean write) like the same man. Me thinks Trolls abound, Zoinks.

  • Anonymous

    You beat me to it, SG. From the minutes of Friday’s preliminary hearing:

    MINUTE ENTRYThe Court is advised that a Notice of Supervening Indictment has been issued in this case by the Grand Jury. Therefore, the Preliminary Hearing set for this date for the above-entitled cause number is vacated from the Regional Court Center calendar.

    –Al

  • Anonymous

    You beat me to it, SG. From the minutes of Friday’s preliminary hearing:

    MINUTE ENTRYThe Court is advised that a Notice of Supervening Indictment has been issued in this case by the Grand Jury. Therefore, the Preliminary Hearing set for this date for the above-entitled cause number is vacated from the Regional Court Center calendar.

    –Al

  • Anonymous

    You beat me to it, SG. From the minutes of Friday’s preliminary hearing:

    MINUTE ENTRYThe Court is advised that a Notice of Supervening Indictment has been issued in this case by the Grand Jury. Therefore, the Preliminary Hearing set for this date for the above-entitled cause number is vacated from the Regional Court Center calendar.

    –Al

  • Anonymous

    You beat me to it, SG. From the minutes of Friday’s preliminary hearing:

    MINUTE ENTRYThe Court is advised that a Notice of Supervening Indictment has been issued in this case by the Grand Jury. Therefore, the Preliminary Hearing set for this date for the above-entitled cause number is vacated from the Regional Court Center calendar.

    –Al

  • headonapike

    The article describes the girl as being Asian. This makes me think that Guzman got himself a mail order bride. She may not even be able to speak English. How else would this guy be able to get a young wife that would be willing to have a kid with him. I’m just guessing here….mail order bride.

  • headonapike

    So that’s why I haven’t heard back from Albert. Where are you, Albert? You got some ‘splainin to do.

  • headonapike

    You still haven’t answered me on this, Albert, and I think I know why. According to what other posters have dug up, your case was dismissed from lower court, because it was transfered to Superior Court. Is that why we’re not hearing back from you and why you haven’t answered my question? Where are you, Albert? You have some ‘splainin to do.

  • headonapike

    You still haven’t answered me on this, Albert, and I think I know why. According to what other posters have dug up, your case was dismissed from lower court, because it was transfered to Superior Court. Is that why we’re not hearing back from you and why you haven’t answered my question? Where are you, Albert? You have some ‘splainin to do.

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  • Sugarglider1

    Yep, I said the same thing somewhere else on the thread. Because it's VERY odd that she is never so much as mentioned in any of the news articles.

  • Sugarglider1

    Nope!! Wasn't dismissed in the way you think it was. It was dismissed from LOWER COURT, where there would have been a prelim hearing. Transferred to SUPERIOR COURT, where alleged kiddiddler will face a grand jury instead. See lengthy posts above about the details.

  • Sugarglider1

    I'm just still giggling over “AG'S” post:

    “Police called my wife to announce “my release” Thursday at 11 am. I will probably get some papers or a reference to indicate that the case was dismissed. I’m definitely not being held for any more questions.”

    LOL! Enjoy the release time while you wait for the grand jury to convene. “I will probably get some papers”–LOL! No. And OF COURSE you're not being held for questions any more. That time is over, buddy. You'll get questioned in the REAL hot seat in an actual courtroom soon enough.

  • Sugarglider1

    Well, your post was much more succinct and clear than mine. I shoulda just waited for you, Al!

  • Sugarglider1

    p.s. look at the other PDF–the other minutes–for this case, and you'll see how it modifies the one you linked to. He'll be facing a Grand Jury sure enough!

  • guillotinegirl

    According to the Arizona Supreme Court website this case was dismissed and the hearing vacated from the Maricopa County Superior Court on August 31, 2010.

    http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx

    I wonder if I can get a refund on my torch and pitchfork?

  • Anonymous

    The court minutes from the 27th tell of the grand jury issuing a Notice of Supervening Indictment. I strongly suspect he is still at risk for arrest, prosecution, and conviction, but until the grand jury releases its findings we won’t know.

    –Al

  • Anonymous

    The case was dismissed “without prejudice,” so he is indeed still at risk for ALL of those things.

    We probably just need to sit tight and see how it shakes out.

  • Anonymous

    Meet……at……Denny’s? That sounds like a threat to me. How is that going to prove your innocence? Just because you’re out on bond doesn’t mean you’re innocent, or free. Your creep factor just went up 25 points!

  • Anonymous

    FU

  • Anonymous

    Really. STFU you nasty old man. Your case has not been dismissed. You are out on bond. Post the link to where it says it was dismissed. Till then, it has not been.

  • Anonymous

    Yup.

  • aka jas

    Where is the proof of dismissal? Proof of innocence. Where is your daughter?

  • Anonymous

    Hey, I don’t see anything about the case being dismissed from SUPERIOR court on the 31st. I don’t see anything about the 31st at all, actually. I just see the minutes from the 26th dismissing it from the lower court and the minutes of the 27th transferring the case to grand jury/superior court. Can you give a link to the actual document you saw? For some reason, I can’t find it.

    At any rate, if this case was really over and done with, you know he would come on here and post 8000 times saying so.

  • Kwumey

    lol@ al guzman splainin his case to the crowd…whose gonna show up here next defending themselves.. charles manson?

  • Kwumey

    lol@ al guzman splainin his case to the crowd…whose gonna show up here next defending themselves.. charles manson?

  • Eracsurfer

    “I am Elmer J. Fudd… Millionaire… I own a mansion and a yacht!”

  • Kwumey

    *blinks* oooh *** yeah.. we gotcha now elmer!!.. YA MENACE !! HAHAHAAHAHAH

  • Kwumey

    *blinks* oooh *** yeah.. we gotcha now elmer!!.. YA MENACE !! HAHAHAAHAHAH

  • Kwumey

    *blinks* oooh *** yeah.. we gotcha now elmer!!.. YA MENACE !! HAHAHAAHAHAH

  • guillotinegirl

    I didn’t look at the actual documents, just the info on the website I linked to above. If you enter Albert Guzman and scroll down to case #S-0700-CR-2010142670, I believe you can link to the minutes from that page.

  • Mrs.RN

    What a sick, old, pervert. Heres’s to you Al for being one of the most perverted people on the entire site. A) You molest your own child and B) you manage to do it in a tree. I’m a RN and happen to know a little about Guillian Barre syndrome. Yes it is a musculoskeletal disorder, but you do not to “speed” walks to regain strength, It is an acute (meaning lasting 6 months or less usually) syndrome which is characterized by progressive muslce weakness that could result in respiratory distress! So, I highly doubt that you would be 1) Speed walking and 2) left to care for a friggin toddler. You are an old piece of crap and your child and the world would be much better off without you. You are very lucky old man that it was not me who saw you molesting your daughter because I would have kicked the shit out of you. And if you want to meet at Denny’s, I would be happy to kick your old perverted ass there.

  • Justme

    I will not side with child molesters. However, in this case, I am not sure if he is one. The age thing throws me off. The walking fast with a 4 year old. The running away………. But I did go to the website of his case and the charges WERE dropped. I hope they are right, and he really has not done anything to her. And if so, his life has now been messed up, forever.

  • Anonymous

    Whatever he was doing, it was decided that there wasn’t evidence that would meet the burden of proof. Doesn’t mean he was innocent or not innocent.

  • Julia
  • Anonymous

    Uh, yeah, we know. Read the comments? Got something new to add?

    Alas, I still think he’s a creep/