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Elizabeth Olten Found Dead In Woods; Older Juvenile In Custody

October 22, 2009 at 1:28 pm by  

ST. MARTINS, Missouri – Here we go, another little girl has vanished while walking home. Maybe this will end differently than the Somer Thompson disappearance. At 6:15 p.m. Wednesday, 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten was walking the quarter mile home from a friend’s house in the 600 block of Route D south of St. Martins. She never arrived at her home. The Cole County Sheriff’s Department has issued an Endangered Person Advisory. Olten is a white, 9-year-old female. She is 5′ 2″ and 108 lbs. with brown hair, brown eyes and a fair complexion with physical marks. She was last seen wearing a pink scarf, pink shirt and pink sweater and blue jeans with white sneakers. She was also carrying a cell phone. The sheriff’s department contacted the cell phone provider, AT&T, who “pinged” the cell phone to triangulate its location. AT&T put the cell phone’s location deep in the woods near Elizabeth’s home. The girl’s family members said she is afraid of the woods and the dark.

Elizabeth Olten Found Dead In Woods; Older Juvenile In Custody On Wednesday night, the Missouri State Highway Patrol searched for Elizabeth using a helicopter with a thermal imaging radar. Today, 60 people resumed the search focusing on a section of woods several hundred yards in diameter, which police had narrowed by triangulating the girl’s cell phone location. The battery had died by this morning and an uneven terrain, high brush and soaking weather are hampering the search effort.

“If you go to Iowa and look at a flat piece of farmland that’s 140 acres, you go, well it’s not that big.’ You translate that to Missouri and you use the same thing, you walk a long time to cover that same amount of land,” White said. “It’s muddy out there now. It’s difficult terrain, it’s difficult weather.”, said Cole County Sheriff Greg White.

Click here for a Google map of the area they are searching.

And before anyone starts bashing her parents for her walking that stretch of road, a commentor over on Topix noted that the girl’s parents were not alerted that she was being sent home from her friends house. So before we get into that territory, let’s wait for some more information to come in.

Update 10-23-09 An older juvenile led authorities to Elizabeth Olten’s body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day. Little information on this other juvenile aside from them being described as a “person of interest.”

UPDATE 11-03-09

By now everyone knows who the 15-year-old suspect is. She is the older sister of the girl Olten was visiting. Already people are pouring over everything she has said or written on any of the myriad of social accounts she has. These are her alleged Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, Sing Snap and disabled Youtube account (cached version here) which was on Nancy Grace tonight. Specifically her hobbies of “cutting, killing people.” This will be interesting. She seemed like a normal teen chick to me. I’m curious if this was an accidental death that she tried to cover up. In the Youtube video it shows her getting her brothers to touch an electric fence.

The following are simply rumors gathered from emails being sent and chat logs being posted. But supposedly this was a planned murder, a hole dug earlier. She also had help burying the body. She had cut the Olten’s neck and wrists purely to see if she could get away with it. None of this is confirmed, of course. But hey, it’s out there and I’m curious how close tot he truth it is. All stuff we will find out in the future.

Update 11-18-09

Here is the mugshot of 15-year-old Alyssa Bustamante the teen girl charged with strangling and slitting the throat of Elizabeth Olten. She’s a sick puppy and has shown some disturbing behavior for years, including cutting and an attempted suicide at 13.

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    • http://www.myspace.com/momof62006 Undeniable Truth

      Come on girl. Come home alive.

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

      Well, the info about the cell phone just had this story take a turn for the worse.

    • backlash

      I don’t think I can go through another one of these stories. Too emotionally draining.

    • strangelyintrigued

      Morbid, I was going to contact you about this story and a theory I have that I hope is false. Then I came to the DD and your story came up.

      I really, really hope that this is not related to the disturbing case of Somer Thompson in Flordia. For anyone who is unaware, she disappeared Monday after school, her body was discovered in a landfill in Georgia yesterday.(The Georgia location is where the trash from her area in Orange County, FL is sent).

      Here is my horrific theory that I hope is wrong..It takes approximately 17 hours to drive from Orange County to Cole County. Another strange parallel is that Somer Thompson lives around 2 hours (by car) from the home of Haleigh Cummings. Maybe I watch too much TruTv, but these facts are scary. If any of these are related, I hope they catch the slimey fuck (or fucks) that are responsible as soon as possible for the safety of our children.

      There are also some additional speculated facts in the comments section of the story in my local paper if you are interested. I made a similar comment on there as STLMommy. The link is;

      http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/3C802DBBD97162DA86257657003E0667?OpenDocument

      Sorry so long, but I wanted to share..

      Report Abuse

    • http://www.myspace.com/momof62006 Undeniable Truth

      Oh no. I read this one in the forums, not here. I didn’t see the cell phone part. Or if I did, I don’t remember it.

      Damn it, man. Just damn it.

      The search focused on a section of woods several hundred yards in diameter, which police had narrowed by triangulating the girl’s cell phone location, White said. But the battery had died by Thursday morning. An uneven terrain, high brush and soaking weather hampered the search effort.

      http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MO_MISSING_GIRL_MO_MOOL-?SITE=MOSTP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    • strangelyintrigued

      Oops.. I meant to say that I hope they catch them regardless, but if these are related I wish that we could hang them by their male testicles or female tits in a public place with a live webcam. Thought I typed that, but I musst not have because I know DD would not filter that.

    • Coyote

      I just heard about this morning, as they confirmed the body in the landfill was Somer. This sucks. And the terrain of the area along with the constant rain they’re having isn’t helping search efforts. Don’t know what to say other than I hope this turns out better than Somer, but it’s not looking good.

    • PinkiGreen

      I guess I can’t even let my kids walk to the mailbox anymore…so scary. Twice when I was little (7-10) and walking home from school, I was approached by people in cars. The second time a man actually got out and grabbed my arm…a group of older kids walking behind me ran up and scared him off. Never in a million years will I let any of my kids walk ANYWHERE. Im trying to figure out how to implant them all with tracking devices…

      Ill hope this doesnt end badly…but dont they all?

    • Darsa

      PLEASE God let this one come home safely! :(

      I will never, ever, ever let my child go anywhere on her own, ever. She’s almost 14 but still.

    • Echo

      The cell phone deep in the woods is obviously not a good sign. So sad.

    • NoWhining

      This one has some weird twists to it. The father, Dale Olten, who is currently in prison – was a suspect in the disappearance and probable murder of his then girlfriend and/or roommate, Jasmine Haslag. The same woods that are being searched for his daughter, are the same woods that were searched in the case of Haslag.

      Apparently, Olten and Haslag were busted in a drug trafficking arrest and shortly after, she disappeared and is presumed murdered.

      Olten and his 21 year old son are in prison together. (awwww….how heartwarming). Here are the mugshots of these two deralicts.

      http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/photos.aspx?id=266703

      Seems the Olten men were involved in some pretty shady shit – drug trafficking, stolen goods, guns, etc.

      Who knows – maybe the little girl was taken, killed or whatever, as retribution against the father??

      Just my theory, for what it’s worth.

    • missycaro

      Not gonna bash the parents since they didn’t know. Now I’m gonna bash the friends house. DON’T LET KIDS WALK ANYWHERE ALONE. THEY ARE SMALLER AND EASIER TO CARRY OFF. EVEN IF WITH A FRIEND. SOME PREDATORS CAN PICK UP 2 AND GET AWAY. MUCH LESS IF THEY ARE IN A MOLESTER VAN WITH ACCOMPLICES! REMEMBER S.C.A.R.E.S— STANDS FOR “SMALL CHILDREN ARE REALLY EASILY STOLEN”

    • Coyote

      Thanks for the link NoWhining. That’s some arsenal they had.

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

      DON’T LET KIDS WALK ANYWHERE ALONE. THEY ARE SMALLER AND EASIER TO CARRY OFF. EVEN IF WITH A FRIEND. SOME PREDATORS CAN PICK UP 2 AND GET AWAY. MUCH LESS IF THEY ARE IN A MOLESTER VAN WITH ACCOMPLICES! REMEMBER S.C.A.R.E.S— STANDS FOR “SMALL CHILDREN ARE REALLY EASILY STOLEN”

      Let’s have some perspective before we go treating children like prisoners, shall we?

      In the U.S., there are an estimated 200-300 stereotypical kidnappings (meaning a child abducted by a stranger that transports them over 50 miles, holds them overnight, ransoms them, intends to keep them permanently or kills them) ever year. In the most recent study year, the actual number was 115. 115 out of 70+ million.

      By the way, of those 115, over 50% were teenagers.

      1000 – the average number of children who die annually from drowning in the U.S.

      2000 – the average number of children who die in car accidents annually.

      Do you not let your child go swimming (or take baths, for that matter) because they might drows? Why not? They’re 10x more likely to drown than to get kidnapped and killed by a stranger. What about the car? Do you and your child walk to get groceries for fear of car accidents?

      Look – it’s good to be aware and proactive. But the extent to which you restrict your child should be accurately proportionate to the risks. More risk, more restriction. Less risk, less restriction. Don’t get all caught up in the hype and turn your kid into a hermit because you’re irrationally paranoid. I, and millions of kids like me across the nation, walked everywhere we went as kids, often alone, and lived to tell the story… and we were healthier, smarter kids for it.

      Here’s hoping this story has a happier ending, and in the meantime, let’s try to refrain from placing blame where it wasn’t earned.

    • missycaro

      My only child has autism and therefore needs to be watched more than another child. So I can’t really say that she is allowed to do much walking alone at all. What I can say is this. I was a child once and I was a victim of crimes. Not as in singular crime. CRIMES as in more than once with different “adult citizens”. Now thank God I’m alive. As an adult I will tell you this much. I wish with everything I have that my parents would have watched me a lot better. Had they realized that watching me better would have protected me. I wouldn’t have to be such a damn advocate for children who are NOT FREAKING WATCHED. Also just because they don’t tell you something when it happens. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So I can’t help driving for food. I CAN find a way to minimize the chances of a sadistic perv stealing them off the street they have no business walking on. Especially at the ages of these young little children. I am happy that you grew up smarter, healthier and safe. I won’t place blame where it wasn’t earned. I will place it where it belongs though. We are not talking about teenagers walking down the road. Look at these childrens ages.

    • mm_classy

      Athena, I completely see your point and it is very valid. I’m a hysterical over protective mother with my 7 yr old daughter.. maybe I go over board at Wal Mart when I make her stand beside me with her hand on the cart and not lag behind, so I can see her at all times. I dont allow her to ride the school bus, I drive her and pick her up every day. But for me, it’s worth it that every night, I’m tucking her into bed safely.

    • mm_classy

      I have a bad gut feeling about the outcome of this.. God be with Elizabeth Olten, and her family. I just cant even begin to imagine what they are going through.

    • missycaro

      So sad

    • Zibarro

      Pins and needles… again.

      Dammit. I hate that these kids can’t walk such short distances without some selfish, sick, waste of space predator sniffing them out!

      I want them (predators) to die. Simple. Predators should just effing die.

      Please let this end better… to restore some faith in humanity… let her come home safe. :(

    • thebooblady

      My kids, ages 7 and 9, walk to their friends houses about 4 days a week ALONE. They also ride the bus home. I refuse to be paranoid and disallow them to have normal childhood experiences. I know there is a chance something bad may happen. I also know the chance is slim and that they are more likely to benefit from this scenario than be harmed by it.

    • missycaro

      I guess that it’s just the norm thing to do. I’m not paranoid about having “normal” experiences. I myself just thought it was common since not to let little, small, helpless children walk around by themselves. There are so many people who would stop their dogs from walking the street. For the concern, not paranoia, that it might get hit or abducted. Children can think and react in a totally different way than an animal. Still they have less defenses than say your dog has. Children are not born with the instinct to bite, scream, run away from danger. We teach them what to do. It’s just that in some cases that’s not enough or too late. Well at least in the scenario’s I have read about and seen. I guess I choose to go ahead and take the extra step. Personal choice…. Call me concerned for my childs safety or call me paranoid. Just don’t call me “The Next Parent Crying For the Return Of My Child Due to the Lack Of Trying.”

    • dreamstorm1220

      I might call you helicopter parent. A bit overly concerned. However. Please don’t think that the rest of us are unaware or UNconcerned.
      A lot of us here believe that our children deserve a sense of independence and self suficiency. Kids need that in order to prepare them for the real world. We wont be able to drive them to school when they are in college. They will actually have to depend upon their own resources to get a job, get TO the job and solve their own problems. We MUST allow them the opportunity to figure out how the hell that works NOW. Otherwise, we end up with kids that end up here, on the DD. Unable to cope with life and its’ little disappointments and requirements.
      I have to admit that I live on a military installation so I may have a sense of safety and well being (false though it may be) that others dont, but I believe in allowing my children to BE children. They play with friends, go to their friends’ homes to get them, ride the bus to school (GASP), have chores and check in times and age appropriate rules and freedoms that allow them to be freakin kids while being safe.
      You said something about common sense. My FOUR daughters ALL know stranger danger. And NO its not enough to simply tell them about it. You act it out so that they WILL have better defences than a damned dog. If you ‘teach them what to do’ the right way, consistently, you will teach them the RIGHT way to be safe while still being able to be a KID and they will be happy AND safe. Not just safe.
      MY personal choice.

    • sleepinwithangels

      Officials are interviewing registered sex offenders in the area, but they haven’t named any persons of interest. No Amber Alert has been issued because the disappearance has not been confirmed as an abduction.

      http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7f2e673e-80ce-0971-01cf-bae15c87f75b

    • Siobhan

      Missycaro, while I agree with Athena and Dreamstorm, I also understand your fears as a parent with a special needs child.
      Allow your daughter the freedoms that you are comfortable with, and as she
      learns and matures you can decide to allow further freedoms if you feel she is responsible and understanding of dangers, and that she knows how to properly react to them.
      Autism has such a wide spectrum range, that you and perhaps her teachers will have the best sense of knowing her personal advantages and limitations.
      Start with small tasks/freedoms, and perhaps staying close enough that she feels like she is on her own, and you feel that you are still supervising; she will feel so much pride and self esteem, and you may be pleasantly surprised in the process.

      Best of luck to you both!

    • lovelybones

      While I pray that this child is just lost and will be found quickly I have to comment on what athena and the booblady have said.

      I could kidnap a child a day if I wanted. They are everywhere teeny weeny children everywhere unattended. Your statistics would give me no comfort if it was my child missing. I let my boys have freedoms once they were 12 and into teenage years but at 7 and 9 – seriously? It’s easy to trick an adult let alone a child. Perhaps I’m over protective, I can live with that but I can’t live knowing my child is missing or hurt.

      my 2 cents.

    • Zibarro

      lovelybones
      7:05 am on October 23rd, 2009
      I let my boys have freedoms once they were 12 and into teenage years but at 7 and 9 – seriously? It’s easy to trick an adult let alone a child. Perhaps I’m over protective, I can live with that but I can’t live knowing my child is missing or hurt.

      my 2 cents.

      Wonder if the 12 and over kids listed below (*almost half the victims) were sheltered till they hit that “magic age 12″?

      Facts on Missing Children

      Non-Family Abductions
      2002 Statistics

      Unreported to police: 114,600

      Reported to police: 3200 to 4600

      Abductions are defined as:

      1. The coerced and unauthorized taking of a child into a building, a vehicle, or a distance of more than 20 feet.
      2. The detention of a child for a period of more than 1 hour.
      3. The luring of a child for the purpose of committing another crime.

      Findings Based on the Above Statistics

      Unreported to police: Children aged 4-11 experienced most of the attempts.

      Reported to the police:

      Almost half of the victims were 12 and over;
      74% were girls;
      62% of the perpetrators were strangers;
      19% were acquaintances;

      52% were removed from the street;
      46% were taken to a vehicle;
      87% were taken by force;
      75% taken by force had a gun involvement;

      8% of all cases had a request for ransom.

      100 Children are Abducted and Murdered Each Year.

      75% are Dead Within the First 3 Hours

      missycaro
      10:53 pm on October 22nd, 2009
      “The Next Parent Crying For the Return Of My Child Due to the Lack Of Trying.”

      Wow. That’s some cold hearted shit right there. So… any parent whose child goes missing “didn’t try hard enough”?

      I sit firmly with Athena and Dreamstorm on this one. My kids grew up with autonomy and independence – and they all made it to adulthood. Go figure.

    • missycaro

      Thank you Siobhan for being nice. While she is my only child and it’s hard to compare situations. I still say that I stand by what I said. I never said to not let your child go off to college, to not let your child drive(given they are the appropriate age, get a job at an appropriate age, or for the love of God ride the bus. Why am I getting hit with the bus thing? Did I say something about a bus or something? If I did I am truely sorry. I see nothing wrong with it. Ride on small childrn, ride on. My whole “The Next Parent Crying For the Return Of My Child Due to the Lack Of Trying.” was misconstrued and it was my fault. I should have added “Because of the lack of supervision while a small young child to little to be walking up and down the street was doing just that.” One suggestion was it people. What was that and did it have anything to do with locking them in a basement? No. It was…. Wait for it….. Here it comes…… LITTLE SMALL YOUNG PORTABLE CHILDREN SHOULD BE WATCHED WHILE RUNNING THE ROADS. THAT’S WHY IT’S ILLEGAL TO LEAVE THEM HOME ALONE. THEY ARE TOO YOUNG TO DO SO. IF YOU CAN’T LEGALLY LEAVE THEM HOME ALONE. THEN WHY WOULD YOU LET THEM WALK THE STREET ALONE? THE STREETS PEOPLE. THE ROAD PEOPLE. THE FREAKING ROAD. Not the bus, school, jobs, while sleeping etc….. Now here’s the whole dog theory. Like I said we wouldn’t let our dogs run the roads and they atleast have sharp teeth, more instinct to run and so on. I did’t say dogs are smarter than kids. So keep the cool on that one. Many dogs get away from the dog catcher. I mean I’ve seen the shows…lol…. Many of the dogs. Now a dog catcher has a van that says some sort of dog catcher or animal control on the side of it. They stop thier vans, get the equipment ready, and so such on the side of the rode. A predator in a molester van has nothing that says molester, predator, or just plain watch out for the babies on the side of it. They are usually more prepared since they just need hands. They grab and it’s over. I’m not being cold here. I’m being very caring. Caring to the point that I’m also caring about what happens to other peoples children. You can bash me all you want, but I DO CARE. I don’t like seeing these babies on here. It breaks my heart. I don’t want to go through what the parents are going through. I don’t want them to go through what they are going through. I don’t want you to go through it either. Not letting little children walk alone does not make them dependent for the rest of thier lives. You know it won’t. They can find the appropriate freedoms and the appropriate ages. I understand that parents decide that. It’s just LOOK AT THESE BABIES AGES!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at the lack of communication! You should be extremely grateful to have people in this world who care.

    • Darsa

      Heh, I have found that people have very differing views as to how much independence kids should be given. PErsonally, I’ll give my child as much space as I feel comfortable with and not a centimeter more. I am fairly protective of my kid, but she does have her freedoms. I also know that she considers herself to be extremely lucky that her parents care THIS much about her. Yep, her dad is as protective as I am.

      I don’t think it’s fair to judge others based on your OWN opinion as to how much freedom your child “deserves” (not an appropriate term here IMO), unless of course the freedom given can be considered to be neglect or abuse of course. You let your kid walk by himself along the side of the road to a friends house a couple miles away, I won’t. You make sure your kid calls you every hour that they’re at someone else’s house, I don’t. That’s your “freedom”, that’s my “freedom”. Don’t judge me, I won’t judge you.

    • strangelyintrigued

      How strange that I was a DD “comment virgin” until this story (which is a local story for me) and now I have much to say regarding the comments on protective parents.

      I myself had a sad childhood because my parents were both terrified that I would be abducted or killed in another way. I could not play outside without them (even in the back yard) until I was about 10 or so, once I was about 12 I had to be home when “the streetlights came on” when I would visit neighbors. They chose my friends based on their own stupid standards and who their parents were. They didnt stop “checking with the parents first” until I was seriously about 16. I could not ride in cars driven by teenagers until I was around 17 and even then they were paranoid and would not let me leave with anyone if the weather conditions were anything but sunny and dry. Needless to say high school sucked for me.

      You know what I did? I went to college, moved into my dorm room and went WILD!!! I went through a huge whore stage and left clubs with strangers. I was in a few sticky situations, but by the grace of God I was fine. Not to mention I got a 1.8 GPA that first semester and I was a 3.5 student once I got my shit together. Now I am a mother to two girls, ages 5 and 1 and you know what? I am going to be vigilant for sure, but I will not be up thier asses because I don’t want them to lie to me when they leave so I know where they REALLY are. All my parents did was teach me to be a good liar. What do you think I did when I came home for the summers in college? As an adult, I see that they have huge problems taking risks in all areas of life and that is what is wrong with them.

      Long again.. But I was thinking about my last comments and I know my theory is a far stretch. I have watched too many crime shows..

    • missycaro

      Darsa, good for you. Valid point on the whole “unless the freedom given can be considered to be neglect or abuse.” Great point! My point exactly! Don’t neglect the safety needs of a child, right? Well letting small young children who have no business to. Walk alone or in a group of other small young children on a road/street is neglecting safety. All the freedom in the world doesn’t make it right.

    • missycaro

      strangely, I’m not saying be up their asses. Sweet Baby God Jeeeeeezus!!! The road! Small children! I am sorry you turned into a whore! Guess what I did too and my mommy didn’t watch me at all!!!!!!!!! You were probably going to be a whore regardless of whether or not your mom let you walk the roads at 7yrs old! By the way I’m not trying to be mean by using the word whore. I seen that you called yourself that and so it’s part of the story.

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

      I don’t think it’s fair to judge others based on your OWN opinion as to how much freedom your child “deserves” (not an appropriate term here IMO), unless of course the freedom given can be considered to be neglect or abuse of course. You let your kid walk by himself along the side of the road to a friends house a couple miles away, I won’t. You make sure your kid calls you every hour that they’re at someone else’s house, I don’t. That’s your “freedom”, that’s my “freedom”. Don’t judge me, I won’t judge you.

      My comments are generalizations. By no means am I telling people how to raise their children. Missy has an autistic child. Obviously, her circumstances are different. Some of you may live in bad neighborhoods. Your circumstance would be different.

      What I am doing, however, is trying to give some perspective so that people avoid the knee-jerk, “Never allow your children to be unsupervised,” reactions, and bringing notice to the FACT that a lack of unsupervised time stunts children and is doing real harm to this country.

      A recent census survey determined that more than a QUARTER of 25-29 year olds are still living with parents. Other studies have found that the current generation is experiencing a record number of nervous breakdowns in college. By being overprotective, you are artificially extending the childhood phase of your child’s life and, while the consequences may not be obvious, they’re pretty damning.

      The best memories of my childhood were around the 7-10 age range, when I’d be cruising on my bike with a whole tribe of fellow little kids through the neighborhood. It makes me sad to think that today’s little kids aren’t getting that opportunity. Especially since there’s no reason to deprive them. Today’s America is the safest America on record.

    • biteme

      missycaro
      10:26 am on October 23rd, 2009
      strangely, I’m not saying be up their asses. Sweet Baby God Jeeeeeezus!!! The road! Small children! I am sorry you turned into a whore! Guess what I did too and my mommy didn’t watch me at all!!!!!!!!! You were probably going to be a whore regardless of whether or not your mom let you walk the roads at 7yrs old! By the way I’m not trying to be mean by using the word whore. I seen that you called yourself that and so it’s part of the story.
      Agree!!

      strangelyintrigued
      I don’t think you turned into a whore because your parents didn’t let you ride the bus when you where 7 years old or because they wanted to meet your friends parents, you just enjoyed getting fucked, and don’t want to take responsibility for your actions and blame your parents. Which makes me feel your parents may have been over protective and never allowed you to make disecions and take responsibility for you actions
      So just as you blamed them as a child for your lack of friends, you blame them as an adult for turning into a whore.
      Your environment, how you were raised has a lot to do with how you raise your children,
      lifestyles in cites, burbs and rural areas are deferent and the freedom most children enjoy is also deferent, the dangers real or imagined are very deferent and it affects our parenting, In some small towns everyone knows everyone no need to meet a parent
      in some big cities some people don’t know their neighbor and a parent would in general like to have an idea where you are and who you’re with.
      In the end nothing we do as parents can protect our children all the time, we can do whatever, to make ourselves more conferrable and hopefully lessen the chances of disaster
      At the same time we need to let go and let our children grow

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

      What I am doing, however, is trying to give some perspective so that people avoid the knee-jerk, “Never allow your children to be unsupervised,” reactions, and bringing notice to the FACT that a lack of unsupervised time stunts children and is doing real harm to this country.

      A recent census survey determined that more than a QUARTER of 25-29 year olds are still living with parents. Other studies have found that the current generation is experiencing a record number of nervous breakdowns in college. By being overprotective, you are artificially extending the childhood phase of your child’s life and, while the consequences may not be obvious, they’re pretty damning.

      I agree 100 percent. It is one of my only reservations on running this website. the fact that I could be helping in the fear mongering. I try to balance out these horrific stories with actual stats on occasion, as I want people to be aware of the missing kids, I don’t want to propose that parents keep them locked in their rooms.

      I have no issues with parents who want to be involved with their children and every aspect of their lives. Hell, if they did that we wouldn’t see some of the stories we read on here – and I am not talking just about abductions. Online predators, bullying, bomb making in the garage…there is a big difference between giving your child freedom and just being an un-involved parent.

      Some studies even show that “helicopter” parents can be a great asset, especially with low-income children in regards to college. But again, that article deals with an involved parent…not a parent who kept their kid under lock-and-key. Anyway, I don’t think anyone here is saying that their idea of parenting is right or wrong, but what is comfortable for them. I just want to point out to any parents that feel your kid is likely to get snatched if you leave them outside for 5 minutes, that statistically that is not the case. 24 hour news just makes it seem that way.

    • solange822001

      I know Athena will disagree with me, but why the fuck do people continue to allow these young children to walk around alone???? How many stories like this do we have to read before we realize ITS NOT FUCKING SAFE ANYMORE!!!! My son is this girl’s age, 9. Yesterday he wanted to go outside and ride his bike, I made him wait till I could go outside with him. He does not walk ANYWHERE alone. He has a friend that lives 3 houses down, when he goes over there I watch him from my FRONT YARD to make sure he gets there. Yeah, so Im overprotective and psycho. But at least the chances of my kid ending up in a fucking PILE OF GARBAGE, SEXUALLY ABUSED AND DEAD are a hell of a lot less!!!!!! Im fucking sick of these stories. I actually started punching my steering wheel in my car yesterday when I heard they had found Somer’s body. I am so sick and tired of the same thing happening over and over again. Yet as we speak, people continue to allow small children to fucking run the streets all day

    • solange822001

      And yeah, I know statistically the chances of it happening to my son are low. I bet people said the same fucking thing to the mother of Somer and and the parents of Elizabeth Olten. Alot of good that did them

    • solange822001

      What I am doing, however, is trying to give some perspective so that people avoid the knee-jerk, “Never allow your children to be unsupervised,” reactions, and bringing notice to the FACT that a lack of unsupervised time stunts children and is doing real harm to this country.

      A recent census survey determined that more than a QUARTER of 25-29 year olds are still living with parents. Other studies have found that the current generation is experiencing a record number of nervous breakdowns in college. By being overprotective, you are artificially extending the childhood phase of your child’s life and, while the consequences may not be obvious, they’re pretty damning.

      In regards to that, I hadn’t heard of that study but Ive noticed that from my own experience. My reasoning for it is because it is a lot harder to afford to live on your own nowadays. Im a 29 year old, and although I wasnt able to get my bachelor’s degree, I have a decent job and still cant afford to live on my own right now. A couple of my coworkers who have degrees and are engineers for our sales department still live at home too, partly for that reason. We live in Miami, which is expensive as hell, so Im not sure if that’s the case everywhere but my understanding is that the cost of living everywhere has risen substantially, and our salaries haven’t.

      Another reason could be that people don’t get married as early as they used to, and its a lot harder to afford living on your own on one salary as opposed to two. I could be 100 percent wrong, but it is hard for me to believe that not allowing my child that is under 10 to walk around the neighborhood alone all the time is going to stop him from being independent when he is 20. Once he is 11 years old or so, he will have a good 8 or 9 years to become more self sufficient, is it really necessary for me to allow a 7 year old or 9 year old to walk a mile unsupervised? Am I really ruining my son’s future because I dont allow that?

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

      Ahhh, Solange. Mah old friend. See, when it comes to it not being safe “anymore”, I don’t have to disagree with you, because it’s not a matter of opinion. You’re simply wrong. ;)

      The same can be said about your son’s odds of being assaulted and killed. They’re only a wittle, eensy-teensy bit lower. But at what cost? I suppose, though, if you’re hung up on the possibility of your son being abducted and killed, it doesn’t matter.

    • ellei

      This argument comes up on DD every time they post a story on a missing child (I’ve read the articles but have never commented.) This isn’t a black and white issue and there are no simple answers. As parents we have to take calculated risk (I love the car accident statistic best) and hope that in the end everything turns out alright. Just as we HAVE to drive cars in most areas, some children, even young ones, HAVE to walk home from school. They may not have any other options. I can’t judge a parent for that.

    • Uvgottabkiddin

      My kids aren’t prisioners, but if they are going somewhere I take them, if they are outside riding bikes, I’ll stay outside to listen for them (even if they are not in sight) Everyone is different when raising their children, I do not think it’s right to judge anyone else. They are my kids I raise mine the way I see fit, and I’d expect you to do the same.

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

      Sure, there are other things that factor into kids staying at home longer these days. But it’s really a single part of a bigger picture. For example, there was a longitudinal study done about 50 years ago that measured the executive functions (self-control, judgment, creativity) of 3, 5 and 7 year olds. The same study was repeated about 10 years ago. The 7 year olds ranked at the level of the previous generation’s 5 year olds, the 5 year olds at the level of the previous generation’s 3 year olds. This may not seem significant to some, but it’s HUGE. It’s proof that we’re stunting the development of our kids. And as we restrict unsupervised time, it will continue to get worse.

      but it is hard for me to believe that not allowing my child that is under 10 to walk around the neighborhood alone all the time is going to stop him from being independent when he is 20. Once he is 11 years old or so, he will have a good 8 or 9 years to become more self sufficient, is it really necessary for me to allow a 7 year old or 9 year old to walk a mile unsupervised? Am I really ruining my son’s future because I dont allow that?

      No, it’s not necessary for you to allow a 7 year old to walk a mile unsupervised. My concern is that it potentially speaks to a more pervasive issue. If a parent doesn’t even let their kid take a walk in a familiar neighborhood unsupervised, it’s unlikely that child is getting any unsupervised time at all. And this kind of development isn’t something the kid can simply “make up for” later in life. It’s physiological. The longer that development is delayed, it will always be that delayed, generally speaking.

      And here’s the thing – the world is far more dangerous for teens and young adults than it is for little kids. If a parent chooses to wait until a kid is a teen to allow them to develop these functions, you’re making a dangerous bet. Children under the age of 10 or so are much less likely to encounter really dangerous people or situations, so letting them experiment with their judgment is much safer because, if they’re wrong, it’s not likely to result in rape or death or anything too horrible. But if you send them into their teenage years without having already developed solid judgment and self control (and I’m not talking about what they do when you’re around – it’s what they do when you’re not around that matters), you’re sending them into a decidedly more dangerous phase of their life without the tools to protect themselves.

    • thebooblady

      Get ready to gasp..after the kids homework, snack, chores are done I tell them to be home at 5 or 6(depending on if they have soccer/baseball practice). So they are off on their own for 2-3 hours.

    • Darsa

      That’s your choice to make. Noone else’s.

    • solange822001

      Ahhh, Solange. Mah old friend. See, when it comes to it not being safe “anymore”, I don’t have to disagree with you, because it’s not a matter of opinion. You’re simply wrong. ;)

      I saw that coming a mile away lol ;)

    • dreamstorm1220

      A sobering study by Gill Valentine and John McKendrick, published four years ago, found that it is not the lack of provision of play facilities that limits children’s outdoor or unsupervised play, but parental anxieties about children’s safety (4). Parents feel that children are more at risk today than they were as youngsters. In all the studies of parental anxieties, the two biggest fears voiced by parents are abduction by strangers and road traffic. Yet, despite the increasing levels of worry, in reality children have never been safer.

      (Hope I’m doing this right)
      Just a little more info on what Athena is saying.
      Later in the article

      It is precisely the freedom of childhood that provides the best apprenticeship for adulthood. An essential part of that freedom is the scope for children to learn through their own experiences, to practise things, to experiment and to make mistakes. This is partly achieved through formal education, but it is also done through the medium of play and peer relationships.

      http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000002D387.htm

    • solange822001

      Get ready to gasp..after the kids homework, snack, chores are done I tell them to be home at 5 or 6(depending on if they have soccer/baseball practice). So they are off on their own for 2-3 hours.

      Well, what are their ages? Not that I have the right to judge you or anyone, but as you guys can see from my posts, it’s the big picture that angers me. The same story over and over, the parents who act like they lost a pet, not a child (not all of them obviously, but it is some of what I have seen in many of these cases). Predators target kids who are alone. I feel like having your young child walking around alone like that you may as well put a bullseye on their back, especially if you live in an area where you have 95 sexual predators living within a 5 mile radius.

      There has to be a way to allow your kids the independence they need without having something like this happen to them. If someone figures that out, please let me know!

    • dreamstorm1220

      Now. I’m not saying that everyone who doesn’t do this is wrong or that every single child not allowed free play/unsupervised play will end up living in mom’s basement unable to function in the world.
      I AM saying that this is why I parent the way I do. Do NOT take this to mean I dont supervise my children or never know where they are or dont worry or even recognize danger.
      All four have different level of age appropriate freedoms and restrictions. My 11 year old has a wider range of ‘wander room’ than does my 9 year old, my 6 year old has an even smaller range and my 4 year old cant leave the swings which are in direct line of site from my patio where I sit and watch her play. She isn’t UNsupervised, but I’m not at her feet either.

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

      They must be unsupervised (and, like, completely unsupervised, not with a parent peering out the kitchen window) to be able to exercise these abilities. One interesting study actually found that children exhibit better judgment when an adult is not present.

      ANY unsupervised situation poses some risk. There’s no way to eliminate that. But navigating that risk is what causes individuals to grow.

      Also, predators are predators. The more we restrict our children, the more bold predators will become. If they can’t nab them on the street anymore, they will become smarter or bolder about it – positioning themselves to have better access to children or stealing them right from their homes. I’d just assume give a child the tools to protect themselves and let them enjoy living if they run the risk of getting got either way.

    • katyk

      I’ve said it before and I will say it again (not to repeat Athena’s point).

      How you want to parent and protect your children is up to you only and everyone else can suck it.

      But our children are not in more danger now than in the 1950′s or whatever. It’s just that now we have 24 hour news cycles and Dreamin’ Demons to point out all of the cases. We have Nancy Grace and Dateline NBC to really drive home the fear.

      When I was a kid, my mom gave me a lot of independence. She dropped me and my friends off at the mall or movies starting at like age 8. In Kindergarten and first grade, I walked to my school every day and walked home. Sometimes rode my bike. Even taking short cuts in the woods. I used to chase rabbits through the woods for hours and go swimming with friends in the bayou. I had to be home by 5 pm, that was the rule.

      Was that dangerous? I guess so. But my mom trusted that she taught me well enough to know when to run the hell away from danger. And it worked. I was almost kidnapped when I was 10. A man approached me in a van with the whole, “Your mom wanted me to pick you up” scenario. I ran to the nearest house and called 911 instead.

      I can’t say if I will be that trusting with my own kids, but I cherish the memories of chasing those rabbits and swimming with friends and seeing Bill and Ted’s in the theater and breaking into the old graveyard. I’d hate if all my memories were sitting in the backyard with my mom.

    • biteme

      Parents that drop their 8 year olds off at the mall are part of the problem, not the solution
      if they don’t want to watch their kids they should consider a babysitter

    • katyk

      I wasn’t dropped off at the mall for babysitting reasons. I had 4 older brothers and a stay at home mom. She did it because I lived in a small-ish town and that’s what kids did for fun sometimes. I was there with 3-4 other friends mind you and usually one of my older brothers came along too.

    • biteme

      I said before small town life is deferent, parents feel its safe, I must’ve missed the older sibling part, my apology.
      But I have seen unsupervised youngsters hanging out at the mall and skate parks, doing some unsavory things, as a parent I don’t want to let my 8 year old decide if those are the youngsters/punksters he wants to hang with, because the worse they are the cooler they seem to young kids

    • sleepinwithangels

      The body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished walking home from a friend’s house was found in a heavily wooded area Friday.

      An “older juvenile” suspect led authorities to Elizabeth Olten’s body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day.

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html

    • Ms Boss

      According to NewsTribune.com, Elizabeths body was recovered today in the wooded area they had been searching. A juvenile ‘person of interest” led them to the body.

      Prayers to the family

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

      Great. It’s an older juvenile that’s a suspect? That’s about the only way I can think of that the story could actually get worse.

    • lovelybones

      Wonder if the 12 and over kids listed below (*almost half the victims) were sheltered till they hit that “magic age 12??

      Um. I wasn’t rude or snarky in my post. I am well aware of the crime involving all ages as you can see I am on this site so it is likely that I am interested in what’s going on in the world. If you let your children of ANY age run the streets then I do hope and pray that your snippy snotty comments and your statistics comfort you as I said before. There are many parents that let their children run loose and you know this. They are lazy parents out there who figure once a kid knows how to make a sandwich they are ready to take on the world. I couldn’t dream of sitting at work while my 7 yr old makes her way home. Seriously? They are not all good parents trying to teach their children independence. Give me a break. Anyway, sorry but I just can’t believe the tone in here. Moving On…

      What is the latest on this poor child? Anyone?

    • lovelybones

      Oh my, I guess there is an update.

      Shit.

    • http://www.myspace.com/momof62006 Undeniable Truth

      Yeah lovely. They found her body.

    • lovelybones

      Damn Truth. Her poor family.

    • http://www.myspace.com/momof62006 Undeniable Truth

      I can’t imagine. I don’t ever want to.

    • strangelyintrigued

      My heart hurts for this family. I hope she didn’t suffer in any way. I swear, I always cry when a child is taken like this. And two in one week?

      On another note, LOL @ Biteme and MissyCaro. Its so funny that the overall point of my post was overshadowed by the word “whore”.

      My point was to provide a first-person account of the “extension of childhood due to overprotective parents” comments that were on here. I guess I should have made that more clear, but thought deductive reasoning was a skill held by most people. I only mentioned it because I thought the fact that I went to strangers’ homes was a bigger deal than anything. I should have known not to do that at 19- I knew/know other girls that age and younger that were/are just as primiscous as I was and would never go to some guy’s house that they just met at a club. The problem was that I didn’t have to make decisions for myself until then and was clueless when I was thrown out into the world. I was too trusting.

      And you can bite me, Biteme. Do you really think I would call it a “whore stage” if I was not taking responsibility? And I had friends, but could only hang out with most of them at recess. Oh and none of my schools ever had bus service. I went to private school so HA!

      Back to the topic at hand, I hope two sad stories like this in one week means that there won’t be any for a while. But I still want to know what happened to Haleigh Cummings. I am so sick of hearing about Misty and Ronald’s problems and their families, blah blah blah.. The naive dreamer in me keeps hoping that we will hear that she is alive and living a better life somewhere else. Like the in the movie Gone Baby Gone (where the sheriff took the little girl from the less than favorable family and you see her at the end of the movie, happy and well.)

    • mommacrazy30

      another dead child. how sad for her family. all of this makes me wonder if Lindsey Baum and Haleigh Cummings are still alive but being held captive.

    • biteme

      strangelyintrigued
      I don’t bite, but I can be a lot of fun and sportfucking used to be a favorite of mine
      I was being a bit rude and also calling you a whore because you did
      Reality is I understood what you where saying and where you’re coming from, I agree over protection can lead to a wild stage when suddenly we have freedom, some want to taste everything they were told not to, eventually we get over it.
      I know we all feel for this child and parents, it’s a sick world we live in and we need to do what we can to keep the ugliness away.
      later all

    • lagrima

      The body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished walking home from a friend’s house was found in a heavily wooded area Friday.

      An “older juvenile” suspect led authorities to Elizabeth Olten’s body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day.

      Elizabeth disappeared just after she started walking home from a friend’s house Wednesday night.

      “There’s been no contact with her since then,” Cole County Sheriff Greg White told Fox News earlier Friday, before Elizabeth was found dead.

      The other juvenile is being identified as a “person of interest,” though police have said little more about the person.

      White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend’s house.

      “Her parents said she should leave and get home,” he told Fox.

      Bad news.
      It breaks my heart that this ended this way!

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

      Elizabeth Olten’s body found in woods, another juvenile has been taken into custody

      Just doing a Twitter update. Not that anyone is too surprised with this. The second they reported on the cell phone being in the woods you just knew this was not going to end well.

    • skeptik

      Hey, if it offers you peace of mind to follow your kid around, so be it. I tend to try not to judge people that aren’t gracing the front page. It’s a bitch to be a parent. I think most people commenting on this story are doing the best they personally can with what they are working with. That being said, I was victimized as a kid by a member of my own household. Maybe that clouds my judgement as a parent. Maybe that makes me suspicious and overprotective. We also don’t watch TV. I tend to fear that more than I fear abduction.

      What kids need is more unstructured playtime. I think if you are here defending your parenting style you’re most of the way there as far as raising a productive member of society goes. Shit, at least you have a parenting style…

    • solange822001

      I can’t say if I will be that trusting with my own kids, but I cherish the memories of chasing those rabbits and swimming with friends and seeing Bill and Ted’s in the theater and breaking into the old graveyard. I’d hate if all my memories were sitting in the backyard with my mom.

      Thanks for sharing that Katyk, very well said. It is hard for me to find the right balance of feeling my child is as safe as possible while still allowing him to grow up, Im not going to lie and say it wont be hard though

    • solange822001

      Edit: Just saw the horrible news. Children shouldnt die. They just shouldnt. How can people do this. What could be going through your head? Why isnt more money and effort put towards finding what makes people do this, instead of just dealing with them afterward? Give them the needle, whoop de doo, by that time its too late and a child is gone, families destroyed.

    • Uvgottabkiddin

      I feel horrible for the family and no matter if she was allowed outside unsupervised or not, her parents will ALWAYS blame themselves, they shouldn’t, but they will. What a tragedy….

    • crunchieapple

      My kids aren’t prisoners, but if they are going somewhere I take them, if they are outside riding bikes, I’ll stay outside to listen for them (even if they are not in sight) Everyone is different when raising their children, I do not think it’s right to judge anyone else. They are my kids I raise mine the way I see fit, and I’d expect you to do the same.

      —–

      I totally agree!

    • momofthree

      Such an interesting discussion.

      My husband was raised with absolute independence. He comes from a huge family so I imagine his parents were busy tending to the younger children while he and his siblings were out on their bikes all over the city at 7 years old. It didn’t stop there, they also went to the beach, started riding on boats together, swimming, going to the desert… you name it. He wouldn’t trade his childhood for anything in the world. And as an individual, he has street smarts that have helped us in countless situations. I don’t think his parents were careless but just had a different mentality.

      I, on the other hand, was raised in a wealthy suburb and was extremely guarded. Only allowed to play at one of my neighbor’s house, my mom watched me walk there and I had to call when I walked back so she could watch me again (it was about 30 feet away). This was the essence of my childhood, very limited independence and do I feel that it affected me as an adult? Absolutely. It has made me into an incredibly poor decision-maker, overly cautious, and too much of a worrier.

      As a mother now, I’m trying to balance it out. It’s hard to let go of those ‘fears’ that were passed on to you as a child, but luckily between myself and my husband, I think our kids get a healthy balance.

      I think all of us (or at least I hope) want the best for our children, finding out what that is… isn’t always easy.

    • skeptik

      The mothers and fathers (if they are around) of these juveniles that may be involved must be horrified. That’s almost more frightening to consider, if you ask me. I would be beside myself is my little darling perfect angel did this to another child. I could sit here and say that it’s not possible but we never really know—especially if it turns out it’s a group of older kids.

    • unraveled_bear

      Poor girl. My thoughts are with her family, and the family of the juvenile that was taken into custody. How awful for both of them.

      I’d like to add my two cents to the ‘overprotection vs safety’ argument. I, like some of you, was the child of an overprotective parent, but was victimized by the other parent. My mum had the best of intentions, but it was very difficult for me. Growing up, I’ve struggled with independence, autonomy, and decision making.

      The thing is, bad things happen and no one is safe. Murders happen, kidnappings, freak accidents… there is nothing anyone can to that will 100% ensure another’s safety. Finding that magic line between overprotective and sensible caution is tough. I’d argue that what’s most important is not what rules you set to protect your child’s safety, but really knowing where they are at, making sure they understand where you’re coming from (without just scaring them), and being able to negotiate at an age-appropriate level with them. Yes, negotiate. My opinion, a child NEEDS to feel like they have some control, even if the control they have is pretty meaningless. But what it comes down to is, if the child is overprotected and has no sense of control over their own situation, they get the message “you can’t take care of yourself, the world is scary and there’s nothing you can do about it,” and that’s a very damaging mental concept that lasts into adulthood, and in the end can impede your ability to self-protect as an adult.

      Everyone’s child is different, and every parent needs to strike the balance for themselves. Just… I really hate the assumption that the parents have done something wrong automatically in a case like this. Overprotective parent’s kids get hurt, abused, and die sometimes too. You can do everything right, and sometimes bad things will happen. Sure, sometimes parents in these cases have fucked up, and by all means go to town. It’s what we do, after all. Some of you just need to realize that when we hear parents saying they never let their kid out of their sight, it scares us for a damn good reason. I don’t know you, I can’t judge whether or not you’re doing it right. You might be. It still scares me, because I know what kind of damage that perspective *can* do. Please understand why some of us get so heated. It hits a raw nerve for us the same way an unattended child hits a nerve for you.

      Sorry for the rant. Stories like this suck.

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

      Well, it will be interesting to see how all the talking heads go from screaming about how dangerous it is being a kid today because of all the RSO’s living around them – only to find that this girl was killed by one of her own. I’m just waiting for all the violent media opponents treating this death as yet another flagship for their misguided cause.

    • Wonder

      not sure what if anything is about elizabeth, my head is spinning from reading the last SEVERAL post, I stopped to see if anyone has added an update on the Olten girl. Her body was found by the older Juvenile ?

      Authorities have charged a 15-year-old with first-degree murder. The 15-year-old is being detained for the death of Elizabeth Olten. Police did not release the teen’s gender or name. The suspect led police to a wooded area near her home west of Jefferson City. Elizabeth was found in an area that had previously been searched but she had been “very well concealed. Elizabeth was acquainted with the suspect but declined to elaborate.

      Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/elizabeth-olten-dead-body_n_332180.html

      Her cell phone was found with her body.

    • solange822001

      Overprotective parent’s kids get hurt, abused, and die sometimes too.

      I know what you mean, but please answer me this: What is the common thread of these missing child stories lately? Out of all these stories we have been discussing, were the majority of these children:

      a. walking around alone, or
      b. being over-guarded by their parents.

      Please answer the above question for Elizabeth Olten, Nevaeh Buchanan, Haleigh Cummings (most helicopter parents dont leave their child in the constant care of a 17 year old girlfriend), Somer Thompson, Wyatt Smitsky, Lindsey Baum, Sandra Cantu, etc. etc. etc.

      There is one whom I can give you that disappeared under the watchful eye of a parent: Jaycee Dugard. Doesnt even compare to the list above of those that weren’t being watched, and my list is only of recent kidnappings, in the last year!

      I can understand the arguments being made that being overly protective affects children psychologically, I can understand the argument that the chances of this happening to a child are relatively small, but what I CANT agree with is the argument that a child that is over sheltered is just as likely to get abducted as one who isn’t. Common sense just doesn’t support that. And please don’t take this as if Im trying to bash your whole comment, as most of what you said is very insightful and true. I just wanted to illustrate why I feel the way I do about letting my son walk around the neighborhood by himself.

    • sorrow_discord

      I have seen many people on this site take sides with the whole children walking to school, hanging out with friends at the park, bike riding, etc. I honestly think that the choice should be the parents based on the maturity of the child. My sister and I were allowed the run the town at this age, and our dad was a state trooper. He knew of the dangers but also knew that we were mature enough and smart enough to not approach strangers and also not to accept rides… Now my niece, thats a different story. She lacks the level of maturity we did at her age and the smarts (not saying she’d dumb, mind you)

    • solange822001
    • Wonder

      http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367062

      Police have the teen in custody. The teen lives in the area and was acquainted with Elizabeth, but did not know the family.

      Cole County Sheriff Greg White said that it could be a week before the charges will be filed because of a mandatory review period.

      I do not like at all this girl suffered and her and her family did not deserve any of this, but I do have to say that I am Happy that this person he or she took, the authorities to the location.

      Thank you for doing the right thing!!!

    • petrina

      now i feel bad bc i was so obsessed with that giant white rotary phone she was holding in her hand in the sears photo released on the tv news.

    • SGYARC

      This is a terrible, tragic story. If this 15 year-ld is guilty, then really 2 families have lost their children. Yes, I know Somer’s family is suffering more, and deseveredly so. It is unfathomable to even imagine losing a child this way. However, there are so many cases where I also have empathy for the prepatrator’s families. They are secondary victims, often not remembered.
      I rarely comment on the internet. I do lurk quite often at the Dreamin’ Demon, read the comments, and usually some intelligent individual has already said what is on my mind ;) .
      However, this has been said repeatedly, but I still felt a need to put my two cents in. I am all about being aware where your children are, watching them, and being an involved parent. Partly from reading this site, I have truly realized how lucky I have been to have such caring, loving, rational, reasonable parents. I went to an all-girls, Roman Catholic school, so no one can say my parents weren’t strict. However, if I was responsible, I was allowed freedom. I could bike ride a mile away when I was 10, go to the mall with a friend when i was 12, and had to get a job that I walked to and from at 15. I do live in a suburb, but it is not as if not as if national news-making crime hasn’t occured here during my lifetime. But over-protecting your children isn’t doing them any favors. I am an MSW grad student that works full-time, volunteers, and owns her home. The friends I have with these “helicopter parents” still live at home, cannot do their own laundry, and have more self-entitlement issues than anyone I know.
      JMHO, thanks for listening/reading! :)

    • missycaro

      Wow, this is extremely sad……. Both of these kids….. This is one of those times when you wish you could hand the family a rewind button. You read about these things. You know that it’s not good, but you still hope. I feel for both families involved. This is where their life changes forever. Poor little girl….. I am so very sorry and cannot express or say it enough. I do stand by how I feel about the roads. That alone will never define me as a “helicopter” parent. Just like you not believing how I feel automatically makes for calling you “lazy”. I didn’t resort to name calling because I didn’t feel that would be fair. You just can’t take it to the extreme like that and it make any sense at all. My opinion doesn’t mean I am over protective and your opinion doesn’t point to you being the opposite. I really believe there are some great parents on here regardless of how it falls. strangelyintrigued, I read and understood your entire story. Didn’t miss a beat of it. It’s not LOL@ someone because it’s not funny and it’s not a joke. I did not want to hurt your feelings at all because I do feel bad for you. Obviously it is something that has made a hard difference in your life. I am so very sorry for that. I was merely borrowing your own word and should not have. Even if you said it describing yourself. That was your story and I should have tweaked it to fit my point. I hope everyone stays safe this year and for many more. God bless you, God blessed me.

    • mommacrazy30

      i feel sad for Elizabeth’s family. i could care less about the family that raised a 15 year old killer. a lot of people have killed while they are teenagers and am not gonna start supporting their families now. honestly i can’t believe ive seen post after post about weither your kid should walk to the park by themselves, and then i come across…’oh, i feel bad for the 15 year olds parents, they’ve lost a child as well’. i say fuck em! im sure enough will come to light to find out the people who raised a 15 year old that killed a 9 year old were probably NOT the salt of the earth. For fucks sake, their kid has some Major issues (like,…um…kills small girls under the age of 10? maybe an issue? maybe?) just ’cause they took the po-po to the body does not make them or their family any better then any other teenage murderer out there. it just means they buckled under pressure…;)

    • skeptik

      I do feel pity for the 15 year old’s parents. I feel pity for everyone involved. Until the details of Elizabeth’s death are revealed I choose to temper my judgement.

      I would hope for the same if I was in either parent’s (or grandparent’s) shoes.

    • http://profile.imageshack.us/user/popeyeray/images/detail/#268/01122009.jpg popeyeray

      She’s now gone to a local hospital where she’ll be subject to the home office post-mortem.
      A molester of innocence, violating with every deed,
      So many times among chapel pews he has spent his seed,
      Children he baptizes know of his crucifix of skin,
      He makes it holy in their mouths as they choke it in.

      THIS EVIL BASTARD WILL PAY!

    • malq

      I had a friend dissapear on the way home from school in the 5th grade, nothing has changed except the media coverage. Parents just have to use common sense. keeping you kid in a bubble is no good but balance that with losing them, bahhh the odds are they will be fine. I used to ride trains when i was 12 across mountains to Reno Nevada and back home. The whoopin was worth it, cuz we had adventures. some risk is involved in living. so sad about this girl though..the wolves got her. They are still here.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      in case you all havent heard- the 15 year old arrested is A GIRL!!!!!

      the girl lived at THE house where Elizabeth was on her way home from!!

      i feel sick.

      i cant link on this forum for some reason- so google. sorry.

    • Wonder

      http://newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/24/news_local/068local02olten09.txt

      Murder charge sought against 15 year-old in Elizabeth Olten’s death

      Cole County authorities on Friday found the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten who had been missing since Wednesday evening.

      By Bob Watson
      bwatson@newstribune.com
      Updates with additional details
      Published: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:23 PM CDT

      Cole County Juvenile authorities have asked the Circuit Court’s Juvenile Division to charge a 15 year-old with first degree murder

      They also declined to give details of the crime or the time of Elizabeth’s death, saying some of that information would have to wait for the medical examiner’s report and based on evidence found during an autopsy conducted Saturday.

      “I know that it would be cathartic for the public to know exactly what happened,” White told reporters at a Saturday morning news conference at the VFW Hall in St. Martins, “but the difficulty with that is, we have to maintain a prosecutable case.

      “We’re not going to contaminate jury pools or anything else. … The only thing I’ll share with you is, the event took place before or right at the beginning of the (missing persons) report that was made to us.”

      Officials were called about 7 p.m. Wednesday, after Elizabeth Olten didn’t make it to her home in the 200 block of LoMo Drive after leaving a friend’s home in the 600 block about 6:15 p.m.

      LoMo Drive also is state Route D, running south from the U.S. 50/St. Martins interchange.

      Sheriff’s deputies, firefighters and volunteers began searching for the girl quickly, and continued that search Thursday and Friday, until Elizabeth’s body was found about 2:40 p.m. Friday.

      “It was in the woods, several hundred yards away from the houses,” White said. “We had been (searching) through that area more than once.

      “The body was very well concealed.”

      He would not be more specific about how the body was hidden, or whether the place where it was found also was the crime scene.

      White said Friday Elizabeth knew the suspect, and the suspect was not her relative.

      But he declined again Saturday to give more details of that relationship.

      “We’re in the juvenile venue and there’s a lot of protected documentation there — and it’s going to have to stay that way,” the sheriff said.

      White said Friday, and repeated Saturday, that some physical and written evidence led investigators to question the suspect, who then led them to the location where the body was found.

      He declined to say Saturday how specific the suspect’s information was, the suspect’s demeanor or whether the suspect gave any confession.

      But several times since Wednesday night, he had told reporters there was “no evidence” of foul play in the 9 year-old girl’s disappearance.

      That belief changed, he said, after his 10 a.m. Friday briefing with reporters.

      “This all came to light, from my standpoint, about 10:30, when I got back (with the investigators),” he explained. “We were at the location of the body by 2:30 or 2:40 (Friday) afternoon.

      “Realistically, this really came together in about a four-hour period.”

      Couty told reporters: “The juvenile is being currently detained in custody, and is under our custody. Because this is a juvenile, we will be, next week, filing for a certification hearing.”

      During that hearing — which will be closed to the public, by state law — Juvenile officials and Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson can present evidence to the judge, who must determine whether the teen suspect will be charged as an adult, or remain in the juvenile court system.

      However, the law says: “No testimony given by the prosecutor may be used as evidence in any subsequent stage of the juvenile or criminal case.”

      “In order to take it in front of the judge,” Couty explained, “we must do a complete background (on the suspect), and present the facts to the judge. …

      “It will not be our duty at that point to prove a case, but to determine if, in fact, we can handle that juvenile within our system.”

      Among its provisions, the law allowing certification as an adult says: “If a petition alleges that any child has committed an offense which would be considered first degree murder … the court shall order a hearing, and may in its discretion, dismiss the (juvenile) petition and transfer the child to a court of general jurisdiction for prosecution under the general law.”

      If the teen is certified for trial as an adult, then the case will be held in open court and details of the charges, the probable cause statements and other evidence will be made public.

      But, also under state law, even if tried as an adult, the teen’s maximum sentence only could be life in prison because the teen “has not reached his sixteenth birthday at the time of the commission of the crime.”

      http://newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/25/news_local/067local04olten09.txt

      Sheriff: ‘This is a good area, with good people’
      Published: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:17 PM CDT

      They came out by the dozens — law enforcement, firefighters, first responder-types and just citizen volunteers — all with the hopes of finding a missing little girl.

      Even after officials discovered Friday that Elizabeth Olten had been murdered, her family still was thankful.

      “I met with Elizabeth’s mom before I came here,” Cole County Sheriff Greg White told reporters Saturday morning, during a briefing at the St. Martins VFW Hall. “As you all know, anyone walking through this is going through just a horrific grieving process. It’s a very difficult time for the family. …

      “(But) they asked me to share that they had deep gratitude for all of the efforts that were put forward.”

    • Wonder

      Sign Elizabeth’s Guestbook

      http://newstribune.com/articles/2009/10/25/news_local/067local04olten09.txt

      Elizabeth Kay Olten, 9, of Jefferson City, was welcomed into the arms of the angels on Wednesday, October 21, 2009. She was born December 15, 1999, in Jefferson City, a daughter of Patricia “Patty” (Carwile) Preiss and Dale Olten Sr. Elizabeth was currently a fourth grade student at Pioneer Trails Elementary School in Jefferson City. She was a lover of music, and some of her favorites included Hannah Montana and Taylor Swift. She loved horses, playing with her friends, and especially enjoyed baking cookies and doing puzzles with her Mom. She also loved to play dress-up with her animals.

      She is survived by her mother: Patty Preiss of the home; her father: Dale Olten Sr. of Bowling Green; two sisters: Stephanie Adrian (husband Alex) of Jefferson City and Candice Olten of Columbia; two brothers: Anthony Olten of the home and Dale Olten Jr. of Bowling Green; maternal great-grandmother: Eula Hopkins of Owensville; maternal grandmother: Sandra Corn (husband Harold) of Sullivan; two aunts: Cindy Spurgeon (husband Randy) of Owensville and Pam Sills (husband Mike) of Jefferson City; one uncle: Rick Carwile (girlfriend Debbie) of Owensville; a niece: Jaidence Adrian of Jefferson City; a nephew: Kaiden Adrian of Jefferson City; an honorary dad: Gary Bemboom of Jefferson City; and several cousins. She was preceded in death by her maternal great-grandfather: Louis Hopkins.

      Elizabeth’s family would like to sincerely thank all of the volunteers who showed up to help, Peggy from Missouri Missing and all of the Law Enforcement agencies that assisted in any way. We truly appreciate you surrounding our family with your love and compassion at this difficult time.

      Friends will be received from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Tuesday at the Houser-Millard Funeral Home. Funeral services will be held at 2:00 p.m., Wednesday, October 28, 2009, at Concord Baptist Church, with the Rev. Dr. Monte Shinkle officiating. Elizabeth loved horses and will be taken in an antique horse drawn carriage to her final resting place at Hawthorn Memorial Gardens. Expressions of sympathy may be made to Missouri Missing in memory of Elizabeth Olten. Arrangements are under the direction of HOUSER-MILLARD Funeral Directors, 2613 West Main Street, 636-3838. millardfamilychapels.com

    • Wonder

      normally we would assume the murderer is a Male teen

      Sheriff Greg White and Juvenile Director Michael Couty declined to say Saturday whether the suspect is a boy or girl.

      Because of the statement … makes one switch to female
      “reverse psychology” Just because I highlighted His in the above post doesn’t mean they are saying HIS, it could just be the wording they used to explain the maximum sentencing.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      the news article i saw said it IS a girl and that she lived in THE house Elizabeth was coming home from. they will not release her name, but it is a girl.

      i’ll try to go find the article, but i’m telling you, my links dont show up for some reason. brb.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli
    • Wonder

      lol i knew it, kelli’s mom you posted as I was preparing mine. I did google before I started posting. i refreshed don’t see any thing new.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      Photo: 1 of 3 See larger image By Newsdesk KRCG
      Saturday, October 24, 2009 at 2:07 p.m.

      COLE COUNTY — Update, Sunday 8:27 p.m.:

      Confidential law enforcement sources and St. Martin’s residents continue to tell KRCG the suspect to be charged in Elizabeth Olten’s death is a 15-year-old girl from Elizabeth’s neighborhood.

      Cole County authorities will not confirm the information.

      Previous Story:

      Cole County juvenile authorities have asked the Cole County juvenile court to charge a 15-year-old with first-degree murder for the death of Elizabeth Olten.

      Cole County Sheriff Greg White and Juvenile Authority Director Michael Couty say the 15-year-old is being detained, but declined to give the teen’s name or say whether the suspect is a boy or girl.

      White will not say how the 15-year-old knew Elizabeth, White simply says the two were acquaintances.

      “Because this is a juvenile, we will be, next week, by law filing for a certification hearing,” said Couty.

      The certification hearing will determine if the 15-year-old will be tried as an adult or as a juvenile. If a judge determines that the 15-year-old should be tried as an adult, more details will be made available to the public.

      There is not a date set yet for that hearing.

      White says Elizabeth’s autopsy was being conducted during the news conference and will be completed today to determine how and when she died.

      The results from the exam may not be available though for a couple weeks.

      White now says authorities believe Elizabeth was likely killed close to the time dispatchers received the first 911 call regarding her disappearance.

      Police found Elizabeth’s body, along with her cell phone, deep in the woods near her home in St. Martins-in an area that had been previously searched by officials and volunteers.

      “The body was well concealed.”

      “We had been through that area actually more than once,” said White. “The body was well concealed.”

      The break in the case came just after Friday’s 10 a.m. press conference. That’s when authorities received a hand-written note that led them to the 15-year-old suspect; the teen than lead authorities to Elizabeth’s body.

      “You don’t really expect stuff like that to happen in small towns.”

      “It’s just very, very tragic,” said St. Martins resident and business owner John Moore. “You don’t really expect stuff like that to happen in small towns. I mean, I know it does, but you just, you don’t want it too really.”

      Several residents from the small town of St. Martins talked to KRCG while in town for the morning’s press conference. One resident said, “I don’t think it was provoked.” On the suspect she said “You’d be very surprised.”

      Residents said the 15-year-old is a girl, and lived at the house Elizabeth was supposedly coming home from. However, White will not confirm that information.

      White did want to thank the St. Martin’s VFW for allowing the press conferences to occur throughout the nationally recognized case. He also mentioned that the total of volunteers and investigative authorities were between 800 to 1,000 people.

    • Wonder

      Truecrime site – I am not able to fing the source

      http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/10/15-year-old_girl_charged_with.php

      15-Year-Old Girl Charged with Elizabeth Olten’s Murder By Pete Kotz in Child Abuse, homicide Sunday, Oct. 25 2009 @ 11:49AM4

      9-year-old Elizabeth Olten disappeared Wednesday night as she walked home from a friend’s house around dinner time. Police spent two days searching for the girl in the wooded areas of St. Martins, Missouri before receiving a handwritten note Friday that led them to a 15-year-old juvenile.

      The teen then showed detectives Elizabeth’s body, which was found in a deeply wooded area that had already been searched. She was so obstructed by foliage that they’d missed her the first time through…

      Officials will only say that they plan to charge the juvenile with first-degree murder sometime this week. But according to residents, the assailant is a 15-year-old girl who lived in the house Elizabeth was leaving the night she disappeared. There’s still no answer as to how or why the little girl was murdered.

      hehe kelli’s mom your one foot in front of me.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      great minds think alike. lol

      i’m a little behind b/c i’m debating people
      on facebook re: Morgan Harrington. ugh.

      thats so weird a girl did this!

    • Wonder

      I am going to say SHE didn’t act alone

      how do you conceal a child 9 yrs old that well – without footprints, drag marks – Not saying that a 15 yr couldn’t carry a 9 year old. Seems far fetched.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      i tend to agree. unless she got her in the woods first and in a fit of rage killed her & hid the body out of pure fear. the phone was found really close to Elizabeth, so i’m thinking the killer didnt take her far at all.
      just hid her really well.

      it’s a scary world we live in. really scary.

    • Uvgottabkiddin

      Maybe someone told her to walk Elizabeth home and she was REALLY pissed… I feel horrible for the friend/sister, unless the murderer was actually the friend which would really be weird, 15 year old hanging with a nine year old… I’m getting carried away. I look forward to hearing more about this.

    • skeptik

      I bet she listened to Marilyn Manson, he incites murderous feelings in me but mostly at his fans and not children.

      Seriously, I wonder what the motive was…

    • Zibarro

      Well… with girls, the motives for most violence is usually jealousy or envy of some sort – Or feeling slighted in some way.

      The 15 yr. old girl who did this likely will have a history of having a short temper – and I’ll just bet she had that ever so prevalent “sense of entitlement” that is becoming epidemic among youths. Such youth HATE feeling deprived of anything they feel they should be able to have.

      Whatever the motive/reason – it sure as hell ain’t good enough. I hope she is tried as an adult. She didn’t just kill Elizabeth – she hid the body very well. My question is – what prompted her, after 2 days, to finally fess up?

    • Tazer Tim

      Ahhh, Solange. Mah old friend. See, when it comes to it not being safe “anymore”, I don’t have to disagree with you, because it’s not a matter of opinion. You’re simply wrong.

      well clearly Solange the only thing you typed wrong was “anymore” as it was , has and will never be safe.

    • Wonder

      the 2 nine yr olds probably were in her makeup or lost her saved game on the playstation or tore a page in her notebook out and just maybe read her diary or a letter she wrote to the boy crush. I am sure it is really something just plain stupid!

      I think somebody helped her move the body, since it wasn’t there when they first searched. (well concealed my ass, didn’t they have dogs out there)
      Otherwise your saying that the murderer, kept a clear head and acted quickly and perfectionist.
      She being one the main searchers, since the start of the missing child was among the two family… House A to House B.
      Daddy’s girl most likely freaked and screamed for help what are we going to do OMG and dad/mom says let me think for a minute. The whole time trying to play the act for the other family, she left here at 6:15, we told her go straight home. blah

      Yes! it is a very scary world!

    • mm_classy

      what prompted her, after 2 days, to finally fess up?

      White said Friday, and repeated Saturday, that some physical and written evidence led investigators to question the suspect, who then led them to the location where the body was found.

      Apparently, the police found something that made them question the 15 yr old, and that is when the person led them to the body. Possibly the person had already written her threatening letters or something?

    • shezzy

      On the subject of parents supervising their children. When I was 8 yrs old, waaay back in 1979,
      I was in my Mom’s bedroom, while Mom was in our kitchen. Her bedroom was seperated from the kitchen by only the space of the dining room. We lived in an apt on the second floor, it was a warm night in Houston TX, we often had our windows open. Mom’s bedroom window was on our front porch, there is no way in hell he could have seen me from the courtyard below, despite the open window, blinds were up partway, and the curtains were parted. I was getting ready to take a bath in her bathroom. I had the water running and had just taken off my clothes when I turned, heard something and turned, can’t remember exactly. There was a man standing in the room, this I’ll never forget. He had on a tan terry cloth shirt, with navy blue piping at the shoulders and navy blue pants, unzipped and his penis was hanging out. He was tall, over 6 feet, with dark brown hair, a darkish complexion, a light stubble on his face. At first sight I was literally paralyzed with fear, I’m pretty sure he said something to me. I couldn’t move, in my head I was screaming, my mouth was even open, but no sounds were coming out. Finally, sound came out, a bloodcurdling scream according to my Mom, the man shot across the room and back out the window. Mom rushed into the room with a spatula in her hand, saw me, saw the open window, a statue that should have been on the windowsill was on the ground outside the window. The police were called and a report taken, nothing ever came of it that I know of. My parents were in a custody dispute at the time, and rumor was that my Father, if you will, may have staged the crime. But even my Father could not have known I’d be taking a bath at that exact time. My guess is this person *cough* was watching me for some time and caught an opportunity. Anyway, my point is that, you can be inside the house with your child and someone can come in and take them away without you even knowing. Mom could have come to the bathroom to find me gone. As we all know this type of abduction has occurred before, someone coming in while everyone’s asleep etc. Sometimes no amount, quality of supervision will help, if someone wants your child, finds an opportunity, they will take them.

      On another note, Elizabeth’s father’s girlfriend disappeared in 2007, he is the main person of interest in that case. I hope that if he was involved in Jasmine Haslag’s disappearance that this will be a catalyst for him to confess, so her people can find her body and get some sort of closure.

    • skeptik

      http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=188337

      There is a hearing today. It may be open to the public.

      JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — A 15-year-old accused of killing 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten is to appear in a Missouri court Wednesday.

      Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Tuesday the hearing is to determine whether the teen should continue to be detained. Couty says the 15-year-old would appear by videoconference, and a hearing is scheduled for Nov. 18 to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult.

      Both hearings could be open to the public.

      Police have not released the suspect’s name or gender, but say Elizabeth and the 15-year-old lived in the same area and were acquainted. Hundreds of people searched a woody area in St. Martins after Elizabeth did not return home from a friend’s house. Her body was discovered Friday.

    • skeptik

      JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — A teenage suspect in the slaying of a 9-year-old mid-Missouri girl will remain in juvenile custody while a judge decides whether the case should be tried in adult court.

      An attorney for the 15-year-old suspect, who has not been identified, waived a scheduled detention hearing Wednesday.

      http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=188423&catid=3

    • MadeaBecBec

      Yesterday;

      Olten’s family and friends watched as two white horses pulled her casket in a glass hearse.

      The Olten family spent the day of Elizabeth’s funeral remembering a very special little girl and mourning their loss, choosing to celebrate her life, instead of attending the court hearing of the teen accused of killing her. After the funeral ceremony, they released pink balloons, in honor of Elizabeth Olten’s favorite color.

      For them, it was about their little girl — the one who was always ready with a bright smile.

      “She wanted to be a mother, she wanted to love others and take care of others,” family spokeswoman Florence told HLN’s Nancy Grace. “She was just a lovely child — she never met an animal she didn’t love and dress up and play with.”

      Ahhh, Goodbye is not forever, but for now! See you in Heaven, sweet child…
      Source

    • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz
    • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

      She is the same girl who led authorities to the body. She is the older sister of the friend she was visiting. So sad… :(

    • MadeaBecBec

      On that SingSnap page by Wolf_Heart, She is singing “One Last Breath” in which the chorus says “I’m six feet down” CREEPY…..
      I can’t believe I listened through that *gag*

      Thanks for the links Dneilz!!

    • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

      I added the links to the story, along with her Twitter and disabled Youtube account that everyone is talking about.

    • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

      madeabecbec- yeah, her singing was horendous and made me gag as well. Just as bad is some of her friends singing… lol, to be a young teen again. :P

      It is a sad sad situation. I had the youtube account for her as well, but within an hour of me finding it, it was deleted. Wish I had downloaded the videos. Disturbing as hell.

    • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

      Just as interesting. She and her half sister were being raised by the grandparents. Dad is in Prison and mom has problems with drugs. Apparently this young lady has had problems with getting in fights as well.

      What makes a young lady kill a little girl? I hope they charge her as an adult. I also read that she had dug a hole in the woods days before she murdered little Elizabeth. So… premeditation is there.

    • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

      Thanks Morbid. Bummer about her youtube account. I figured it would be taken down quickly since a lot of people were going to her comment section and leaving some very nasty comments. Not that she doesn’t own them, because she does.

    • Wonder

      The sister or brother must have the passwords – last login 10-30

      cute girl – but the singer ugggg – I knew the song but couldn’t gasp the words so I looked it up.

      “One Last Breath”

      Please come now I think I’m falling
      I’m holding to all I think is safe
      It seems I found the road to nowhere
      And I’m trying to escape
      I yelled back when I heard thunder
      But I’m down to one last breath
      And with it let me say
      Let me say

      Hold me now
      I’m six feet from the edge and I’m thinking
      That maybe six feet
      Ain’t so far down

      I’m looking down now that it’s over
      Reflecting on all of my mistakes
      I thought I found the road to somewhere
      Somewhere in His grace
      I cried out heaven save me
      But I’m down to one last breath
      And with it let me say
      Let me say

      Hold me now
      I’m six feet from the edge and I’m thinking
      That maybe six feet
      Ain’t so far down

      Sad eyes follow me
      But I still believe there’s something left for me
      So please come stay with me
      ‘Cause I still believe there’s something left for you and me
      For you and me
      For you and me

      Hold me now
      I’m six feet from the edge and I’m thinking

      http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/creed/onelastbreath.html

      Now this is very strange about Elizabeth’s father’s g/f missing – Still missing ?

      WOW!

    • Zibarro

      From the Youtube profile page:

      Hobbies:
      killing people, cutting

      I damn sure hope Elizabeth was the first – and LAST – person she killed. Wonder how many pets went missing from this neighborhood?

    • Uvgottabkiddin

      She’s being tried as an adult…. Poor little thing couldn’t find anything to cut herself with in jail, so she used her fingernails.

      Police: Mo. teen dug grave anticipating murder

      http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20091118/US.Missouri.Girl.Slain/

    • sugarglider
    • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

      Mugshot of Alyssa Bustamante added. Thanks for the link, sugarglider.

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      i’ve got screen shots of her twitter. nothing earth shattering,
      just how she hates being grounded or something like that.

      if anyone wants it- let me know and i’ll find it and upload.

      xo Pam, Kelli’s mom

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      ahh what the heck, here we go:

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      one of these days my links will show up. lol

      one more time:

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      omg

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      one more time- then i give up!

    • http://www.myspace.com/kelli_laine_doa mom_of_Kelli

      hit me up on face book if you want any of the screen shots.

      i suck at posting on here for some reason. i used to be able to.

      i FAIL!

      facebook = “Kelli Lewis – Pam Taylor”