Just looking at him makes me not want to leave anything that could be damaged alone with him. Shaking babies if for loser sissies! I hope someone shakes him in jail!

yeah i do have some news on Gabriel hall actually i know him and the whole story is different he's actually suing bexar county sapd for doing something to him and no one actually beat him up in jail this dude has also got lawyers up the ass and realy he's not that kind of person.oh one more thing there were no bruises on the baby when hall had asked for the pictures to the detective and he never showed them to hall or anyone else.meaning the news lied about the bruises. this is going to look bad on this crooked system in this county and also he has his whole family that doesnt like him on one side of the family to actualy tell the court that the baby was droped on his head when talos fell out of his car seat cause the motherinlaw had forgotton to keep the baby's seat belt on when she put him on the couch he must of wiggled out and also they say he said those things he claims he never said that the mother of his child did so yeah dude just wouldnt fuck with this dude he's sueing cps for kidnapping his kid and discrimination against him that he didnt do it he ran cause he did get into an argument with his wife and he was afraid that the cops would beat him up again. he has never hurt anyone on any of his reports with his knife charges and weed charges. never has any cop had to use force. but yeah if u want to fuck him up go ahead but i would think about it before u do it i herd he has trained in some sort of artofwar so yeah

oh and one more thing this picture that they have up here wasnt the time when they arrested him this pic was taken a year ago before this had happen cause he had a bond that was raised. he was on a bond for an unlawfull weapon.A KNIFE!! haha thats stupid right. he bonded out and they raised it because he wasnt paying the court system money for his pee test thats fucked up. oh and how they found hall when he had the warrant he kicked this one dudes ass for wanting to murder his wife when she was pregnant and also this guy who gabriel fucked up had stolen from gabriel money and food so he got fed up and wooped his junkie ass. yeah at least he's no junkie shooting up and not giveing food to his children. anyways the cops didnt arrest him for beating him up they understood and took him in for the raised bond. anyways he told me this picture was in the morning on the day after he beat that dude up. he hadnt shaved or anything they just put this picture up to ruin his reputation and make him look crazy.HAHAHA

This guy has a face that just begs to be punched repeatedly. I know it's been five months, but has anyone heard any news about the baby's health or when that cowardly douchebag is going to trial?

Mom claimed in August that Talos (baby) had been cleared to go home by doctors, although I haven't been able to find anything since then, including when he goes to trial.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Injured-ba...

Ok, that makes sense. Though before you think I’m the type of person who jumps to conclusions all willy-nilly, I’ve actually had a pious pro-life person say that same thing to me almost exactly, though I didn’t think it made much sense then. Oh well, water under the bridge…

Rereading what I wrote, I could see how you could pull that from what I said. I just didn't mean it that way, is all.

This is one where I would have to hear a bit more before I’m ready to burn her at the stake. However, if it turns out she allowed prior abuse to go on or even ends up defending this dickweed, you can bring the matches and I’ll light the fire!

See, that's where I know I have issues. I'm a burn at the stake, ask questions later type! LOL

Buttermilk pie! Gawd, that sounded so decadent I had to go and look it up!
I have a feeling it's not fat free, though, huh?

ps -- I hate grits! But I can make a great buttermilk pie and some mean sweet tea.

Ah….no. What I meant by that was, I’m hoping women (like myself) can care about their children before they are born by picking the fathers better.

Along the lines of what Athena said, I think they don’t care about the children they are about to bring into the world when they knowingly pick an abusive criminal, fuckwad, child abuser, etc etc. I think it’s more a self-centered thing. They’re more thinking of keeping the penis than what they are possibly subjecting their future children to.

Aside from that, I bet you can whip up a mean batch of grits.

Kidding!

Ok, that makes sense. Though before you think I'm the type of person who jumps to conclusions all willy-nilly, I've actually had a pious pro-life person say that same thing to me almost exactly, though I didn't think it made much sense then. Oh well, water under the bridge...

I agree with you about mothers choosing a penis over their kids, we see it time and time again on this site with tragic results. I suppose this particular story didn't strike me that way straight off. This is one where I would have to hear a bit more before I'm ready to burn her at the stake. However, if it turns out she allowed prior abuse to go on or even ends up defending this dickweed, you can bring the matches and I'll light the fire!

Well, thanks for breaking the cycle of misunderstanding then! I got the abortion reference from this statement: “I’m only about protecting the children – even if they’re not even a twinkle in their parents’ eyes yet.

Ah....no. What I meant by that was, I'm hoping women (like myself) can care about their children before they are born by picking the fathers better.

Along the lines of what Athena said, I think they don't care about the children they are about to bring into the world when they knowingly pick an abusive criminal, fuckwad, child abuser, etc etc. I think it's more a self-centered thing. They're more thinking of keeping the penis than what they are possibly subjecting their future children to.

Aside from that, I bet you can whip up a mean batch of grits.

Kidding!

Veronica –

Not at all, hun. Abortion never even crossed my mind nor did I think you were somehow lower than me because we disagree. Weird how things can be taken totally wrong when in type. I never once felt adversarial in responding to you. We’re just talking here. I felt we were/are both on the same side anyway.

The reason I brought up the personal responsibilty scale, actually, had nothing to do with you. You see, my S.O. always accuses me of being “too harsh” and unforgiving and not giving the benefit of the doubt in most cases. I already know this about myself and was just sort of reiterating it to myself, really. Had nothing to do with our conversation. Sorry you took it that way.

And abortion – I won’t reread my previous posts to look for anything that I might have said, but abortion didn’t cross my mind when responding to you.

Peace,
NW

Well, thanks for breaking the cycle of misunderstanding then! I got the abortion reference from this statement: "I’m only about protecting the children – even if they’re not even a twinkle in their parents’ eyes yet.

I'm originally from the South, so I have heard people say stuff just like that in regards to abortion more than I can say, LOL. Sorry if I took it the wrong way.

It's often difficult to tell if people are being sarcastic or passive-aggressive in written form, one of the curses of the internet I suppose.

Veronica -

Not at all, hun. Abortion never even crossed my mind nor did I think you were somehow lower than me because we disagree. Weird how things can be taken totally wrong when in type. I never once felt adversarial in responding to you. We're just talking here. I felt we were/are both on the same side anyway.

The reason I brought up the personal responsibilty scale, actually, had nothing to do with you. You see, my S.O. always accuses me of being "too harsh" and unforgiving and not giving the benefit of the doubt in most cases. I already know this about myself and was just sort of reiterating it to myself, really. Had nothing to do with our conversation. Sorry you took it that way.

And abortion - I won't reread my previous posts to look for anything that I might have said, but abortion didn't cross my mind when responding to you.

Peace,
NW

But if she’s going to defend this POS, then to hell with her.

Oh, absolutely. If she actually defends this asshole, all bets are off. Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me.

Well, I just go back to what I said originally. I don’t want her to finally react positively to this “latest incident.” If these women choose their sperm donors better, chances are there will be NO incidents to even react to.

I’m only about protecting the children – even if they’re not even a twinkle in their parents’ eyes yet.

I’m still trying to answer your other question, though, since you posed it again. Is she dumb? Hmmmm….dumb never came to mind. Selfish, self-centered, self- serving – those are the words that come to mind. I’m sure she knew this asshat was trouble before she had the baby, but chose to bring him into their crazy, abusive world anyway. You even threw in some

There are just far too many stories exactly like this to be able to give this one woman the benefit of the doubt. Well, at least for me anyway.

But then again, I know I’m probably on the high end scale of personal responsibitliy and not making excuses for horrible behaviour. I must be a f&*%ing Republican, huh?? LOL

Honestly, I don't even think we're in disagreement to a large degree, just over how culpable the mother actually is. However, you are taking a rather adversarial tone with me. I'm not really sure why you feel the need to try and not-so-subtly put me down by not-so-subtly suggesting that I register on the LOW end of the "personal responsibility scale" because we have what amounts to a partial disagreement on this. I also noticed you attempted to bait me on abortion, not sure why, but I'm not biting. I think issue is probably better left to the forums. I will say one thing, though -- I think to equate abortion with the hell inflicted upon already-born children we read about on DD is, to say the least, highly misguided.

I had to step back a minute before commenting on this one. Yeah the girl called the cops (even though it was through her sis). I hope the baby is OK. But truth be told, they both were there when it happened. I don’t think I would have left that baby alone with him, even for a minute. It ever so rare that there were no warning signs when someone halls off and does something like this. Yes a young girl will ignore these signs, but a lot of the times, they are so used to abuse, they consider it to be “just the way things are”….or think it’s “true love”. Been there. Soooooooooo glad I never married my ex, or had children with him. It took me years to get away from him. But had I, heavens forbid, had his child and something happened with him, I would feel the guilt the rest of my life for letting it happen. I knew before I made those mistakes that he wasn’t a man for having children with.
With the previous injury, even that probably shouldn’t have happened. It must have been bad enough, if the doc’s found it. I feel for the mother, if she feels guilty (still somehow responsible). But if she’s going to defend this POS, then to hell with her.

Athena alluded to, I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because of the way she reacted to this latest episode. That may change if more comes out. And compared (it’s all relevant, after all) to many of the other so-called “mothers” we hear about on this site, she looks like mother of the year, you have to admit. Dumb for sure, but not quite convinced she’s completely worthless as a mother just yet.

Well, I just go back to what I said originally. I don't want her to finally react positively to this "latest incident." If these women choose their sperm donors better, chances are there will be NO incidents to even react to.

I'm only about protecting the children - even if they're not even a twinkle in their parents' eyes yet.

I'm still trying to answer your other question, though, since you posed it again. Is she dumb? Hmmmm....dumb never came to mind. Selfish, self-centered, self- serving - those are the words that come to mind. I'm sure she knew this asshat was trouble before she had the baby, but chose to bring him into their crazy, abusive world anyway.

There are just far too many stories exactly like this to be able to give this one woman the benefit of the doubt. Well, at least for me anyway.

But then again, I know I'm probably on the high end scale of personal responsibitliy and not making excuses for horrible behaviour. I must be a f&*%ing Republican, huh?? LOL

Relax, V. No one called anyone a dumb bitch. And you’re right; I didn’t say anything about him because, well, I guess it just goes without saying that he’s a fucking loser child abuser. I didn’t mean to imply that she, alone, was to blame and I certainly didn’t intend to single her out as the lone perptrator. (of course, HE is the perpetrator here)

DD is full of stories like this, ya know? The *mothers* in these cases are usually low-lifes, themselves, who hook up with these fucktard guys KNOWING what they are.

I never said you called anyone a dumb bitch. I was just making a point. And besides, you DO think this chick is a dumb bitch, don't you? Either way, I'm not getting worked up about it, just adding to the discussion. I am not categorically defending this chick's actions or lack thereof, but like Athena alluded to, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because of the way she reacted to this latest episode. That may change if more comes out. And compared (it's all relevant, after all) to many of the other so-called "mothers" we hear about on this site, she looks like mother of the year, you have to admit. Dumb for sure, but not quite convinced she's completely worthless as a mother just yet.

What concerns me about this situation, however, is the previous head injury.

This bothered me, too. And was one of the criteria I also used to call this "so called" mother out. I'm sorry, but you know wtf is going on with your baby's health. A head injury certainly would have been noticed, unless the mother is a complete dolt. (which is probably the case). Although all we can do is speculate, simple common sense would dictate that she was most likely privy to that previous incident - but chose to keep the penis there anyway.

I wonder what finally led her to the conclusion that she needed to kick his ass to the curb?

have a really hard time believing that there was never any abuse or threats of abuse with these women BEFORE they decided to marry/procreate/cohabitate with these morons. I just don’t buy it. I think they know it, see it and choose to look the other way for whatever reason. (not wanting to be alone, low self-esteem, what-have-you).

Indeed, NoWhining. The case of the Prince Charming that suddenly turns into an abusive monster just as soon as the woman is locked into the relationship. In the vast majority of cases, there is prior abuse or, at the very least, some big ol' fatty red flags. Often times, in the cases of these younger women, their selfishness places their children in danger. Getting yelled at or hit occasionally is better than being single, so they remain.

What concerns me about this situation, however, is the previous head injury. I don't have enough information to go after the mother due to the assumption that she knew he had these tendencies when hooking up with him, but if the head injury was significant enough to detect after the fact, might she have been privy to that incident?

She gets props for responding immediately, but I do hope this teaches her a thing or two about the kind of people a young mother should surround herself with. Hint: If you have to warn your friends that you'll have your child with you when you visit them, you're running in the wrong circles.

Relax, V. No one called anyone a dumb bitch. And you're right; I didn't say anything about him because, well, I guess it just goes without saying that he's a fucking loser child abuser. I didn't mean to imply that she, alone, was to blame and I certainly didn't intend to single her out as the lone perptrator. (of course, HE is the perpetrator here)

DD is full of stories like this, ya know? The *mothers* in these cases are usually low-lifes, themselves, who hook up with these fucktard guys KNOWING what they are.

I have a really hard time believing that there was never any abuse or threats of abuse with these women BEFORE they decided to marry/procreate/cohabitate with these morons. I just don't buy it. I think they know it, see it and choose to look the other way for whatever reason. (not wanting to be alone, low self-esteem, what-have-you).

I couldn't care less if these women want to stay with guys like this. Good for them, I say! If that's what they need, then, it's none of my business. I just wish they would get their tubes tied first, ya know?

Oh well....we all can argue all we want, but the fact remains is there will be hundreds more stories like this as long as the sun rises and sets.

Peace,
N.W.

Hindsight is 20/20, NoWhining. But at the end of the day, this is Gabriel Hall's fault alone. Sure, the mother obviously has bad taste in men, but you simply can't expect a woman to anticipate everything that their significant other is capable of. Is every woman who is with an abusive asshole a dumb bitch herself? Do you understand how difficult it is to leave an asshole like this without ending up in the hospital or dead?

If it turns out she knew of prior abuse and did nothing, screw her (though she reacted strongly to this episode by immediately having her sister call police after the dude threatened her if she did it herself), but like Lavonna I am a little disturbed by the fact that someone is always ready to single out the mother for blame when someone else harms her child. You didn't even comment about the guy until after Lavonna had called you on that.

How can you blame the mom? Has he done this before? If not, then how would she know that the sob father of the child would do this to his own son?

the fact they were arguing...I have no reason to think my husband would ever hurt the baby....however when we argue I make sure the baby is in my sight at all times....nothing against my husband, trust him fully, it's instinct for me and should be for all mothers....and I do use that word loosely.

Once again: NICE CHOICE, MOM!!

How can you blame the mom? Has he done this before? If not, then how would she know that the sob father of the child would do this to his own son?

Come on, Lavonna! Do you actually think this turd was in the running for a nobel peace prize when the mother met - and subsequently chose to procreate - with him? I'll bet you a million dollars he was a loser and a derelict before this and she chose to have a baby with him anyway. I doubt he was an upstanding citizen prior to this poor baby being brought into this world.

So, YES, I do blame him AND the mother for her poor choice in sperm donors.

This guy just looks like a loser. How sad that he is so immature and took his anger out on his child. Sick too.

Once again: NICE CHOICE, MOM!!

How can you blame the mom? Has he done this before? If not, then how would she know that the sob father of the child would do this to his own son?

I want to punch this guys mother in the face for even bringing this piece of crap into this world.

Once again: NICE CHOICE, MOM!!

This little wuss' "GAF-Factor" is off the charts. In this case it pertains to how much I want him to live through his "jail experience." Someone PLEASE end his misery...
(A "GAF-Factor" is the inverse measurement of how much I 'Give A Fuck'.)
IE: I couldn't give a fuck if he lives through it, or not.