tutkill
9:12 am on May 15th, 2009
Hope the drugs were worth it Joshua!!!  You crack freak.
Wicked Doll
9:33 am on May 15th, 2009
Good luck with the flimsy it was the drugs defense, Joshua.  Moron.
2 boys mom in NC
9:39 am on May 15th, 2009
Man, this seems to be happening more and more lately.  Kids killing parents.  You never say never.  My boys might take me out but there is going to be more that just My blood on the floor.
Absynthe
9:53 am on May 15th, 2009
ungrateful crackhead. if you was my kid you definitely would
You would’ve been fucked up of had a hell of a time taking my ass out because  your blood would have been all over the floor also.
RockRGrl
10:06 am on May 15th, 2009
2 boys mom in NC:
Man, this seems to be happening more and more lately.  Kids killing parents.  You never say never.  My boys might take me out but there is going to be more that just My blood on the floor.
Seriously!  I was just thinking the same thing….my oldest is already taller then me at 13! Yikes!  So sad   Oh and good luck with the drug excuse asshole!
CassieMomma
10:11 am on May 15th, 2009
Wicked Doll:
Good luck with the flimsy it was the drugs defense, Joshua.  Moron.
Yeah when did that become a good excuse.  You chose to do drugs asshole!
RunecirE
10:30 am on May 15th, 2009
Drugs make good people do stupid things.  Now the rest of the family will also be paying for his stupidity.  Wish he would have just off’ed himself instead.
Boughtthefarm
10:32 am on May 15th, 2009
Hopefully Joshua will be imprisoned for a long time. But honestly, I don’t understand why parents call the cops and have their kids arrested and then bail the ungrateful a$$holes out. She should have left the POS there!
biteme
11:07 am on May 15th, 2009
2 boys mom in NC: Man, this seems to be happening more and more lately.  Kids killing parents.  You never say never.  My boys might take me out but there is going to be more that just My blood on the floor.
Seems it’s a crack head thing, they they kill for crack, they kill because they’re on crack
Wish we could just shoot all crack heads sure would make the world a better place, less expensive all around insurance rates, eliminate a lot of crime and jail over crowding
Kalehue
11:21 am on May 15th, 2009
Boughtthefarm:
Hopefully Joshua will be imprisoned for a long time. But honestly, I don’t understand why parents call the cops and have their kids arrested and then bail the ungrateful a$$holes out. She should have left the POS there!
This just makes me sick.  I read the responses at the link above — a lot saying what a sweet lady Lawanda was and several saying how they would never dream Joshua could do something like this.
It really strikes close to home for me.  I have a troubled child who, even at 32, is still giving me a run for my money and I’ve probably bailed him out and helped him a few times when it would have been smarter not to.  I think it’s a mother thing to not want to give up on your own child.  I can’t imagine the heartache she must have felt when Joshua turned on her.  She didn’t give up on him, but he sold her out to make some quick $$ and buy some more crack.  I hope he rots.
RunecirE
11:25 am on May 15th, 2009
Kalehue:
This just makes me sick.  I read the responses at the link above — a lot saying what a sweet lady Lawanda was and several saying how they would never dream Joshua could do something like this.
It really strikes close to home for me.  I have a troubled child who, even at 32, is still giving me a run for my money and I’ve probably bailed him out and helped him a few times when it would have been smarter not to.  I think it’s a mother thing to not want to give up on your own child.  I can’t imagine the heartache she must have felt when Joshua turned on her.  She didn’t give up on him, but he sold her out to make some quick $$ and buy some more crack.  I hope he rots.
I’m with you.  One can’t give up, but it does come back to get you sometimes.  There’s just no way to know.
Athena
11:42 am on May 15th, 2009
This is what enabling will buy you, sometimes.
Parents – if your kid is at the point where they’re stealing from you for drugs, CUT THEM LOOSE. I’ve watched it happen more than once, unfortunately; once they’ve hit that stage, they’re capable of anything.
I know, you’re worried about what will happen to them. Sleeping on the streets or in a drug house can’t possibly be safe. They’re poisoning themselves ever-increasingly. What happens to them on the streets or in a drug house is the least of the dangers posed to them. Letting them stay with you doesn’t protect them, it only puts YOU in danger.
My heart breaks when I read stories about parents who just can’t say “no” dying at the hands of their drug-addled chidren. So unnecessary.
Edit: It especially disturbs me when parents bail their drug addicts out of jail. Congrats! You just denied them the food, medical care, relative safety and protection from easy access to drugs jail would provide. In this situation, doing the best thing for your kid and doing the right thing for your kid are polar opposites.
Kalehue
12:25 pm on May 15th, 2009
Athena:
 In this situation, doing the best thing for your kid and doing the right thing for your kid are polar opposites.
I have to disagree — I think doing the best thing for your kid and doing the right thing are basically the same in this instance.  It’s very clear to see when you’re on the outside looking in, but when you’re there and have a decision to make, it’s easy to think that they’ll make the most of the new chance they’re getting (because, after all, that’s what we’d do if we were in their shoes) and it will all end happily….ever after. 
My son’s problems were never drugs (or I should say his LEGAL problems  were never drugs) and, in the end, I think he’s kind of on the right path, but it’s more a credit to my determination than any effort he’s made.  I did have those moments when I was fed up and did the tough love thing, but also had many others when I bought into his sob story and wanted to help him.
I’ve learned my lesson.  Mostly because he’s 32 and I’m just plain tired of it.  I have seven children and he makes the other six look EASY.  He’s going to have to sink or swim at this point.  If he sinks, I won’t even feel guilty about it.  I’ve really gone beyond doing all I can.
But my own life circumstances make me extra sensitive to these kinds of stories.  It’s so easy to put myself in her place.  RIP Lawanda.
Kalehue
12:28 pm on May 15th, 2009
P.S. Morbid –
This block quote thing can be a pain!  Sometimes it works seamlessly and others…not so well.  I have at least figured out that when it doesn’t work, I have to post my response, then edit to cut and paste the block quote code into the right place.
Wildheart
1:46 pm on May 15th, 2009
Kalehue:
This block quote thing can be a pain!  Sometimes it works seamlessly and others…not so well.  I have at least figured out that when it doesn’t work, I have to post my response, then edit to cut and paste the block quote code into the right place.
What I usually do is hit enter a few times in the comment box, then type my comment.  Then I move the cursor to the top of the comment box (above my comment) and go back and hit quote on the response I want to quote, then edit the quote if necessary.
dammitall
1:47 pm on May 15th, 2009
Sometimes you just have to cut your losses with a loser kid and hope that they learn more in the School of Hard Knocks than they have from you.  She should have left his stupid ass in jail.
Athena
2:11 pm on May 15th, 2009
Oh, I had no intention of addressing your specific case, Kalehue, since I’m not familiar with it. But what I’ve found (having fallen into the “wrong crowd” as a teen and surrounding myself with drug addicts) is that drug addicts who have parents who let them live with them and bail them out of jail and give them loans that they know won’t be repaid stay drug addicts much longer than drug addicts whose parents cut them loose (not disown them, just stop giving them things). Any drug and alcohol counselor will tell a person the same thing.
I know it’s difficult, but, no matter how old the child is, a parent either does it now or they do it 10 years from now. If a parent makes the decision to enable their child’s addiction, we can only hope it doesn’t get to this point.
Kalehue
2:19 pm on May 15th, 2009
Athena:
Oh, I had no intention of addressing your specific case, Kalehue, since I’m not familiar with it. But what I’ve found (having fallen into the “wrong crowd” as a teen and surrounding myself with drug addicts) is that drug addicts who have parents who let them live with them and bail them out of jail and give them loans that they know won’t be repaid stay drug addicts much longer than drug addicts whose parents cut them loose (not disown them, just stop giving them things). Any drug and alcohol counselor will tell a person the same thing.
I know it’s difficult, but, no matter how old the child is, a parent either does it now or they do it 10 years from now. If a parent makes the decision to enable their child’s addiction, we can only hope it doesn’t get to this point.
 
I absolutely agree with you on everything you’ve said.  It’s just that when you’re dealing with it, it’s not always easy to think it through so clearly and it’s VERY easy to make stupid decisions based on emotion.
In this poor woman’s case, she “saved” her son from jail only to have him end up right back there a month later (and hopefully for a LONG time) and she’s dead now.  Tragic…
malq
2:28 pm on May 15th, 2009
What strikes me as shocking about this one is the lack of forethought and remorse.
Listen , this MotherFucka is going to pawn the plasma. the cops are going to look at the crime find the plasma at the pawn and bingo. he didn’t even care. let alone Cruisin with Momma in the back.
He just wanted dope.
Even at my highest moments, and I have had many.  I would never break those boundries. It blows me away to think of what would make people cross that line. killing mama? The one you sucked her nipple till you were 12… I don’t care how deep you are into dope. and I know what I’m talking about. Then again, I never smoked crack. maybe its that particular drug.
The government should flood the streets with heroin. It would be a much more peaceful world. make crack go away.
Athena
2:54 pm on May 15th, 2009
The government should flood the streets with heroin. It would be a much more peaceful world. make crack go away.
lol, haven’t you ever seen Trainspotting?
Heroin might prevent people from flying into a rage while they’re high, but the same kind of shit happens between fixes with ANY highly addictive drug. Herion addicts will still do some pretty fucked up shit in an attempt to fund raise.
It really has everything to do with how each individual’s body and brain handles the drug. I’ve met responsible, relatively healthy, “functional” crack users, and I’ve also met the kind that lose their mind.
Education is the only effective tool in the war on drugs. When given ALL the information, most people will choose to not do something that will eventually harm them.
Special2bme
10:46 pm on May 15th, 2009
RunecirE: Wish he would have just off’ed himself instead
Me and you both. He was nothing but a selfish, worthless crack head. I can’t imagine the last thought she had seeing her sons face as he was killing her. Bless her heart and may she RIP.
Athena: Oh, I had no intention of addressing your specific case, Kalehue, since I’m not familiar with it. But what I’ve found (having fallen into the “wrong crowd” as a teen and surrounding myself with drug addicts) is that drug addicts who have parents who let them live with them and bail them out of jail and give them loans that they know won’t be repaid stay drug addicts much longer than drug addicts whose parents cut them loose (not disown them, just stop giving them things). Any drug and alcohol counselor will tell a person the same thing.
Totally agree! It’s called tough love to have to cut them loose but it needs to be done. But it’s done for a lot of other reasons as well, it’s never easy but in these types of situations it has to be done.
April
12:19 am on May 16th, 2009
RIP LAwanda.  I’m sorry that your son is an asshole.
malq
5:44 am on May 16th, 2009
Athena: lol, haven’t you ever seen Trainspotting?Heroin might prevent people from flying into a rage while they’re high, but the same kind of shit happens between fixes with ANY highly addictive drug.Herion addicts will still do some pretty fucked up shit in an attempt to fund raise.
I agree.  there was a level of facetiousness there in my post, but you are correct. In fact the physical withdrawls of heroin will way exceed crack. This causes people to do horrible things.
i still dont get crossing that line though.
popeyeray
6:53 am on May 16th, 2009
Crack cocaine, he still smokes it,
brother man, you must be jokin!
proudmom3boys
10:02 am on May 16th, 2009
it is so sad to hear all the stories about moms being taken at the hands of their children… 
I have 3 boys… ooh scarry
AMinFH
1:19 pm on May 16th, 2009
Way to go asshole.  The only person who ever loved you is dead.  I hope you feel lost, scared, and tormented all the days of your life- all your attempts to find comfort are futile, POS.
My mom bailed my bro out a few times even though it may not have been the “right” decision.  In her eyes, she wanted him to have consequences but was terrified of what abuses he would face in jail.  Kinda f’d up. IMO he needed to see WTF really goes on when you choose to make bad decisions.  Finally, the last time he got nabbed, she let him stay there for a little bit and he has since decided to change for the better.  Its sad this mother had to pay the ultimate price for trying to help her son.  RIP Lawanda.
prettyuglyish
9:46 am on May 17th, 2009
Athena: But what I’ve found (having fallen into the “wrong crowd” as a teen and surrounding myself with drug addicts) is that drug addicts who have parents who let them live with them and bail them out of jail and give them loans that they know won’t be repaid stay drug addicts much longer than drug addicts whose parents cut them loose (not disown them, just stop giving them things). Any drug and alcohol counselor will tell a person the same thing.
I have to agree with Athena.  I was one of those kids.  I started drinking and using drugs at 11.  At 13, my mom started using the tough love approach and kicked me out of the house.  After basically living on the streets for 5 years, I finally realized that life wasn’t so fun.  When I was going through it, I thought she was the most horrible mother ever…but looking back, I’m grateful that she had the guts to do it.  As a mother now, I can understand how heart wrenching it must have been for her.
On the other side of the coin, some of my friends had the enabling-type parents and I would say that, of the ones that are still alive, the great majority of them are either still living with their parents in their 30’s & 40’s, strung-out or in prison.  I truly believe that if I wasn’t forced to pay the consequences for my actions, I’d be right along with them.
My kids are 6 and 8.  I already talk to them about the downfalls of drug use.  But I don’t just give them the blanket instructions to “say no to drugs.”  I pull up the pictures of Faces of Meth (before & after pictures) and Meth Mouth, so they can actually see what can happen to a person.  They’re horrified.  (Then again, they’re horrified about where babies come from, too.)
Endlessgrief08
8:16 pm on May 17th, 2009
A mother’s love……and a son’s rage!    Sorry little bastard,   he’s blaming it on drugs and that will be the defenses’ reasoning.    Ughhh!,   I’m so sick of these idiots blaming it on drug use.  
God bless that poor woman.
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