Four Teen Boys Accused Of Raping Teammate

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Four Teen Boys Accused Of Raping Teammate

May 11, 2009 by Jaded

Filed under: Crime, Featured, Harassment, Imprisonment, Juvenile, Mugshot, Rape, Sexual Assault

Four Teen Boys Accused Of Raping Teammate

Odessa, Florida–Something nasty has been going down in the locker room at Walker Middle School. Four teens, Randall John Moye, 14, Raymond Price-Murray, 14, Lee Louis Myers, 14, and Diamante Roberts, 15, are being accused of raping another student with a broom handle and a hockey stick.

Randall John Moye, Raymond Price-Murray, Lee Louis Myers, Diamante Roberts

All five teens involved are on the same flag football team. The victim, a 13-year-old boy, was continually harassed and bullied between MarchMarch reviews 15 and May 5. The bullies stepped it up a notch on April 30…two of the teens pinned the victim down on the locker room floor, and the other two raped him with a broom handle and a hockey stick. The victim said nothing about the attack, or the two months of previous bullying, until after an incident Tuesday night at the school.

Tuesday evening, the flag football coach noticed something was wrong when the victim acted strangely towards some teammates during a game…there was some pushing and some yelling. When the coach took him aside, the boy said, ‘I’m just sick of this.’ He said the others had been bothering him and had hit him with a hockey stick. Following up on the incident the next morning, the coach had the bullies sit down and write out their version of the events that happened in the locker room. ‘In their written statements, at least one of the students described a situation involving the hockey stick,’ said school Superintendent Mary Ellen Elia. The victim was then interviewed and the whole ugly story came out.

The four teens were arrested on Wednesday. All four are facing charges of false imprisonment and sexual assault. All four will be charged as adults. Of course, the bullies have their defenders. I suggest checking out the source link, interesting reading there.

Source

Deric Basquez Found Double Trouble (dreamindemon.com)
Robert Fleury Raped His Girlfriend’s Son (dreamindemon.com)
David Kohler Makes Little Girls Scream (dreamindemon.com)

Tags: broom handle, Bullying, Charlie Walker Middle School, Crime, Diamante Roberts, false imprisonment, Florida, hockey stick, juveniles, Lee Louis Myers, object rape, odessa, Randall John Moye, Rape, Raymond Price-Murray, Sexual Assault

Comments

tutkill

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/nov/14/140023/...

All four defendants are charged as adults. They have pleaded not guilty and have since been released on bail. While they await trial, the teens must wear court-ordered GPS tracking monitors.

A status conference in this case is set for Jan. 14

Wonder if they shoved that GPS monitors up their asses????

Veronica

Something is seriously wrong when a 14-year-old isn't capable of writing a couple of even semi-coherent paragraphs. But it's not surprising considering the level of (non)literacy we see from "adult" visitors to this site at times.

redsaid

Probably for fear of the same happening to them!

MadeaBecBec

Lastly, you can read all four of the accused statements here, just be prepared for a level of idiocy that may just make your brain hurt:

http://media.tbo.com/pdf/073109walker.pdf</bloc...>

Too many hockey pucks to their heads? And not enough classroom time?
I was totally wrong about Moye boy being the instigator, reads as if all the Assclowns placed most of the blame on Diemante.
I have to wonder, why didn't any of the other players that witnessed this come forward on behalf of the victim?

Veronica

So, if anyone else wants to make snarky little comments about my vocabularly or the fact that I favor logic over emotion, let me save you the trouble by giving you a big “FUCK YOU” in advance. Glad we could get that out of the way.

Athena, I have noticed before that people give you crap for refusing to proclaim "Kill 'em all" on every thread and just sounding intelligent in general. Anti-intellectualism really gets on my nerves. It's like those kids who gave you crap in school never actually grow out of that. I actually went through a lot of the same stuff. I moved to Tennessee from Maryland in 7th grade (TERRIBLE age) and the level of education in the South was so much lower. I went from my second year of Spanish and introductory geometry, etc. to doing spelling words. I had the highest grade in every single subject. At 8th grade graduation, they gave out awards for the highest grade in all the subjects and I had to get up for every single one. People were shooting serious eye daggers at me, including a lot of the parents. It sucked. Problem was, once the teachers figured out that I probably knew most of the answers, they always called on me. Being smart resulted in me being one of the most hated people in the entire school, despite the fact that it was mostly the result of years of superior education in Maryland. So yeah, it really bugs me to hear ADULTS complaining about supposedly stuck-up "intellectuals." People SHOULD aspire to know more than they do, and that includes you, me and everyone else. A large knowledge base does not make one a snob.

Morbid

Update on this one:
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/W...

Seems as if Randall John Moye and Lee Louis Myers did the holding while Diamante Roberts and Raymond Price-Murray did the actual raping. They were charged as adults in the crime

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/04/florida.sex...

Lastly, you can read all four of the accused statements here, just be prepared for a level of idiocy that may just make your brain hurt:

http://media.tbo.com/pdf/073109walker.pdf

2 boys mom in NC

Miss S,
Thanks for the update. This one really pissed me off! No fucking excuses. I hope they get the appropriate punishment. Thank you again!

MISS.S

Update:

The rapists have been charged with 4 counts of rape over a 2 month period of time.

They are not one time oopsies...didn't mean to take a joke too far this is just hockey team hazing.... type guys.

4 rapes...over 2 months. Sounds like they are practicing to be career rapists.

Has anyone actually seen how huge the end of a hockey stick is?

That's all I have to say.

Unamused

Ah.... The love that dares not speak its name.

Taz

Oops, I missed S.J. earlier post, not used to the new format. My Bad.

Taz

Part of me feels sorry for them, but only because they are so young and this will pretty much trash the rest of there life up for them. We are talking about 4 felony counts, hanging over there heads the rest of there life's. Plus possible sex offended registration. The rest of me hates them for what they did to that 13-year-old boy. They went way beyond hazing into something thats pretty fucked up.

I found them all listed with mugs on the Hillsborough county jail section. Two of them have GPS tracking ( Myers & Price-Murray ).

Moye doesnt have one and is free to come and go and even has a job. He must have been the one who snitched. ( 15K bail )

Roberts is still in jail and has been since the arrest, don't know why him. He doesn't even have a bail amount set. Looks like Myers & Price-Murray got out on a "PR" but a stipulation was had to have GPS tracking.

tutkill

what a sorry bunch

Jaded

Four teenage boys in Tampa, Florida, were charged as adults Wednesday on allegations of sexually assaulting a 13-year-old boy.
[...]

Prosecutor Kimberly Hindman described to the court how two defendants held down the victim while the other two defendants violently sodomized him with the sticks. "The victim screamed and cried, telling them to stop," Hindman said.

The prosecutor said the victim's screams could be heard outside the boys' locker room at Walker Middle School, in southern Tampa, where the allegedly assaults took place.

Multiple people witnessed the attacks, but no one reported the incidents, including the victim, Hindman said.

[...]

When school officials questioned the defendants, all four admitted in a written statement sexually assaulting the victim.

The defendants "all implicated themselves in a sexual-battery incident," Hindman said.

The victim did not acknowledge the attacks until questioned. School officials contacted authorities, who initially charged the four as minors with sexual assault and false imprisonment.

Several students witnessed the incidents over the two months, said the prosecutor, who added that she could not understand why no one reported the attacks.

The victim made a statement in court, telling the judge how his father was angry and his mother couldn't stop crying when they heard about the attacks.

Defense attorneys told the judge their clients were good students and had never been in trouble before. Attorney Tim Taylor, representing Randall Moye, said his client's family is among the finest in the community.

Taylor presented six character witnesses, including his client's mother, Jeanne Myers, who said her son wants to attend college. The prosecutor asked her about her son's written statement about the attacks. Myers said her son described clowning around in the locker room with a hockey stick. She added that he told her about holding down the victim for a few seconds.

[...]

The judge set bond for each defendant at $15,000, with ankle monitors for all but one, who has left the area. The four boys were taken into custody in court and booked into the adult jail. The judge warned the four to have no contact with one another, the victim or any witnesses in the case.

The defendants could spend up to 120 years in prison if convicted on all four counts.
Link

easilydistracted

Let me begin by saying I by no means am defending these 4 boys.

However I can't help but be curious as to what the 'act' was that they are considering as rape. Was it actual penetration (or actual attempted penetration...since it was supposedly a hockey stick and/or broom) . ..or was it one or two mean spirited jabs with a broom handle (once again NOT defending those actions) over a pair of jeans.
Once again I don't condone the bullying nor do I condone whatever it was they did. Not far from where I live here in Texas something very similar happened at school in a locker room (hint: teachers/coaches SUPERVISE your locker rooms and put the damn brooms in the janitor closet). ..A couple of older 8th grade football boys were hazing/teasing a couple of younger 6th grade football boys by jabbing at their ass area, as they walked by after practice , with a broom . The boys from my understanding were dressed at the time in football uniforms. While I don't condone this behavior , I don't consider it rape either..
I feel like there is a major difference in whether these boys can be rehabilitated based on whether they were just being mean spirited and 'jabbing' at the boy...vs. whether they were literally participating in trying to actually penetrate the boy with a broom.
I have 3 boys (age 26,18 and 5) I also have a stepson 13. So I've had many kids at the house over the years. I just would hate to see these boys labeled as rapists/perverts until the whole story comes out. I hope they ALL can get some counseling.

AMinFH

Athena: (we’re the only country in the WORLD that sentences juvenile offenders to life in prison w/o parole).

Thanks for that statement- I wasnt aware of that.

Athena

“a majority of child murders don’t generally reoffend”
So do we know which one’s it’ll be?
Can we move them to your neighborhood?
Really not into rolling the dice with murderers around my kids to see which reoffend
They committed the crime let them be punished not my neighborhood, Family and friends, they want to be out of jail tell them not to kill.

I see what you're saying, biteme, the fact of the matter is, very few juvenile offenders have ever been sentenced to life in prison, and the practice MAY even get outlawed (we're the only country in the WORLD that sentences juvenile offenders to life in prison w/o parole). They will ALL get out eventually. So doesn't it make sense to send them where they will be locked up longer and get better rehabilitation? I would think so.

Athena

Statistics can be manipulated to reach any goal that a person or committee believes will bring in dollars, so I do not look at statistics on any one subject, especially when it comes to juvenile behaviour, I want to know each juveniles background (not how they were raised, but their personalities beforehand) and no statistical chart can give me that….

Are you kidding me? WOW. You know, I expect the "statistics can be twisted" crap from a lot of people, but from you? Disappointing.

These statistics were cited by PBS. PBS! Tell me, Madea, what agenda could PBS of all organizations possibly have, with their Sesame Street and their NOVA...? Furthermore, these are four completely seperate studies with very clear methology that all come to roughly the same conclusion. Are you suggesting it's some vast conspiracy to "bring in dollars"? It benefits the prison-industrial complex MORE to charge kids as adults. That actually costs MORE money for tax payers.

If you want to lash out at me, fine, but for christ's sake - Review the statistics before you discount them.

...sometimes people trying to appear ‘overly’ genius through their opinions they post...

Let me tell you a little story. Actually, anyone who has considered taking a shot at me simply because I use "fancy words" or come off as "overtly genius" should take note:

I started kindergarten when I was 4 because my parents had accidentally had my aptitude tested and the psychologist told them I was 99th percentile. In kindergarten, I was shunned because I wasn't like everyone else. I could already read and do basic math. Instead of playing "house", I wanted to built intricate tracks for marbles to race down. I didn't have any speech impediments and, to make things worse, even though I was younger than everyone, I was taller than everyone. No one wanted to play with me.

Upon going into first grade, I was ushered right into the "Challenge Program", a program for other 99th percentile students. Even though I was surrounded by kids like me, it wasn't long at all before the rest of the kids - the "normal" kids, as they liked to call themselves (suggesting we were abnormal) - targeted us. We would get teased, excluded, even assaulted on the playground... simply for being different. Do you have any idea what it's like as an elementary school kid to be forced to stay amongst your classmates, eat at the same lunch table, play in the same corner of the playground, because of something you have no control over? The parents of those students weren't much better - showing up to school board meetings, demanding that the Challenge Program be disbanded because, get this, it made their kids feel bad. Their kids? Jonathan over there wasn't the one who got pushed onto the concrete at lunch recess...

Middle school wasn't any reprieve. Because of our advanced education, we were placed into classes a grade-level or two ahead of us. Even worse, because the Challenge Program didn't extend into middle school, the students I had grown up with where spread out over multiple area middle schools. We no longer had the power-in-numbers thing going for us. Do you know how kids treat kids who are bumped up a couple grades? Even if you get lucky and get compassionate classmates who don't go out of their way to make fun of you, they still don't want to partner with you.

Now, I wouldn't change anything about my school career. I might have gotten tortured by the "normal" students, but I received a world-class education. But as you can see, you and MISS.S are nothing more than the two most recent additions to a long, LONG line of people who have taken aim at my intellect without stopping to think that, just maybe, it's something that I can't help. Making these snide little comments, suggesting that I should dumb down my rhetoric - it's much like taking a shot at a mentally-handicapped kid for not being able to pretend that he's smarter. You walk around all day dumbing yourself down and let me know how easy it is. Not only is it incredibly difficult, it makes you feel a little dirty for having to, too. Yeah, don't think I haven't tried.

I'm going to use "fancy words", and I'm going to come off as pretty intelligent when I post - maybe even "overtly" so. That's WHO I AM. By taking shots at that, even subtle ones, you're taking shots at something I can't help. You should be real fucking proud about that.

So, if anyone else wants to make snarky little comments about my vocabularly or the fact that I favor logic over emotion, let me save you the trouble by giving you a big "FUCK YOU" in advance. Glad we could get that out of the way.

biteme

Athena: Good questions.No, juveniles charged as adults don’t get out at 21 still.That’s the whole reason for charging them as adults - to get around sentencing caps.As for reevaluating the effectiveness of the juvenile system, you should know that there aremyths associated with charging juveniles as adults.Myth #1:Juveniles charged as adults serve more time.In fact, while juveniles are sentenced to more time in adult courts, they generally serve - like most offenders - only a fraction of their sentence.This often amounts to LESS time than they would have served in juvie.Myth #2:Kids sentenced as adults are less likely to reoffend.Actually, the two studies done on the recidivism rates of juveniles who’ve been through the adult system found that these kids reoffend sooner AND more often than those who went through the juvenile system.So, while I do disagree with sentencing caps for the particularly heinous crimes (confirmed sociopaths guilty of multiple murders should not be released at any time, especially not because the juvenile justice system put the limit at 25), there is NO logical reason to sentence kids as adults.It ultimately does more harm than good. Education and therapy have been proven repeatedly as the most effective means of rehabilitation.Sure, not everyone can be rehabilitated, but A LOT of juveniles CAN.Research shows that the majority of child murders, for example, don’t generally reoffend.

"a majority of child murders don't generally reoffend"
So do we know which one's it'll be?
Can we move them to your neighborhood?
Really not into rolling the dice with murderers around my kids to see which reoffend
They committed the crime let them be punished not my neighborhood, Family and friends, they want to be out of jail tell them not to kill.

Jaded

The four Tampa middle-school students charged with sexually assaulting a classmate were released to the their parents with ankle bracelets so they can be electronically monitored.
[...]
State Department of Juvenile Justice spokesman Frank Penela said Wednesday the boys spent one night in a juvenile detention facility before being released to their parents. Prosecutors say the boys likely will be charged as adults.
Link

MadeaBecBec

MISS.S:
Actually ya know what? I don’t need to be insulted for my life. This is what happened and for you to say what you did personally offends me. I won’t come here anymore. I gave my opinion and my experience. If this is how you treat people who share their story this is obviously not the place for me. Have a good day bashing rape survivors.. I guess if that makes your day KUDOS to you!

Please Please Stay!! I do think you are amazing in your posts and sincerely hope that you realize how that is a blessing to others that have been in your shoes and some that haven't as well! Also, I am totally in awe at how you retained the ability to think with the good sense that you do, Thank you for sharing with us, some of your story, it gives hope to many victims, let me assure you!!!
Please DO NOT let one insensitive comment keep you from posting here on D'D, sometimes people trying to appear 'overly' genius through their opinions they post and are not considerate of what they are actually putting down in their posts, it's all about the debate and winning the argument!

Statistics can be manipulated to reach any goal that a person or committee believes will bring in dollars, so I do not look at statistics on any one subject, especially when it comes to juvenile behaviour, I want to know each juveniles background (not how they were raised, but their personalities beforehand) and no statistical chart can give me that....
In this case, All of them should be tried individually, in my opinion, not as a group even though the crime was committed that way!
I can tell you, just by their mugshots, which one is the "Main" perp in this crime, the leader, so to speak, and his last name rhymes with BOY!! This is the 'evil' one and I figure he was born that way, not the way he was raised, however, the parents should've NOT ignored the warning signs......

I'll be praying for the victim to fully recover and become as successful and bright as Miss.S. ,ummmm, only Mister S. ;)

AMinFH

Good info...last night I remembered a guy from our neighborhood who shot 2 guys (murdering one) during a drug deal gone bad. He is serving life in prison w/o chance for parole. He is 36 now... A girl he was with who was driving the car was charged as an accessory which is the same as commiting the actual murder. She most recently won a multimillion dollar suit against the State of MI and had her sentence commuted due to sexual abuse suffered while in prison. I find the whole thing fucked up. The kicker was they just wanted some money, didnt have drugs to sell. I used to think at 16 you know better. But looking back over the years I didnt know anything at 16. I didnt kill anyone but then again I didnt have the access to a gun. I dont have one now b/c I am not responsible enough- I know killing someone is wrong but I snap too easy!

To me it seems that dollars would be better spent on the education to prevent crime than to rehab after the fact. I dont see that happening any time soon.

Rockin Ma

Level four is a pretty high level. The state only has one level five for the most serious offenders and prison trouble makers (adults only). I'm satisfied this is a real prison for young offenders.

Rockin Ma

At least in my state, people even through age 21 or so go to a specific prison for serious crimes. It's not a juvenile prison, or detention as we call it here which by the way is also complete with tiny little cells that contain toilet, sink and water fountain all in one unit.
The Manson Youth Institution is a level 4 high-security facility. It serves as the Department's primary location for housing sentenced inmates under the age of 21. Recognizing the need to educate youth, staff provide a climate, which enhances inmate social skills, while reinforcing ethics, attitude and behavior valued by productive law-abiding citizens.
The Manson Youth Institution houses male offenders ranging in age from 14 to 21 in ten separate buildings, each with three wings containing 12 cells, a day room, counselor offices and mini kitchen. Being the states' only youth facility, it houses chronic disciplinary inmates, close custody program, mental health, high security and general population inmates who are involved in a wide variety of programs including educational, vocational and addiction services.
In response to an increase in young population, a youthful offender mentoring program was established. Emphasis is placed on development of positive peer relationships, understanding criminal culture, substance abuse, basic life skills, employment counseling and release planning.

Athena

Here we go again, I didnt say put on kid gloves but you write a freaking essay on how to make your sentences longer than actually saying something.

Considering you've managed to completely misunderstand a big chunk of what I've said thus far, you can bet that I'm just saying more than you're grasping. So, please, until you exhibit some proper syntax, leave the writing style critique out of it.

As proven in my example… the underage person was not punished other than going to a foster home. He was still allowed to come home for extended visits where further instances occurred. Yay for wishing stuff is great and that we have a great juvi ( as we called it growing up because we were around it all the time… i should know) system for handling this type of stuff but we DONT.

Your example is nothing but a single example out of MILLIONS and, if you had ever worked in any proximity to the juvenile justice system, you would know that it is the exception to the rule.

Now, since you have all these opinions on something with which you have very limited experience with, I implore you to review the FACTS.

"To date, only two studies have examined whether stricter transfer laws result in lowered juvenile crime rates. Both found that there was no evidence to support that the laws had the intended effect.
Two recent large-scale studies indicate that juveniles who receive harsher penalties when tried as adults are not "scared straight." In fact, after their release, they tend to reoffend sooner and more often than those treated in the juvenile system."

This, MISS.S, is why creating opinions from nothing but personal experience is a bad idea. You have no way of knowing whether or not your experience is common place or rare. Yours appears to have been rare.

As all the parents who supported me stated…and I agree, if that happened to my son or daughter, I would beat and kill the living shit out of that person. Period. END OF STORY.

You and the other parents who stated similar positions have simply proven yourself irrational and emotionally-driven. Great, your kid gets victimized, so you go and RE-victimize your kid by beating up the kid who did it to him, which would not only NOT undo the damage done to your child, but it would undoubtedly get you sent to prison.

But seriously have some respect for survivors, and if you areally are one , like you say…You would have some respect when someone shares their story. I don’t see you having the balls to share it.

Ugh... it makes me cringe to have to explain it to you. I really wish you had just dropped it, or at least left out the snide comment at the end. See how nicely I play with all the other people in this thread? We could have been civil.

First off, respect is earned, not passed out like fuckin' Halloween candy. If you recall, the way in which you "shared" your story was snotty and derisive (uh-oh, fancy word, again). You could be a goddamn Holocaust survivor and, if you're going to be a bitch to me, you're going to get treated as such in return.

And, no, I don't have respect for strangers who unnecessarily share their story. Those people come across as socially inept attention-seekers who wouldn't recognize an appropriate exchange if it smacked them.

Let me tell you a story that might help illustrate my perspective. A few years ago, a good friend of mine wanted to introduce me and my boyfriend to his brand new girlfriend. He brought her over and, as she and I were standing on the porch talking, she started in on how she was raped, recently. Horrified by the fact that his new girlfriend would share such personal information with a relative stranger, her boyfriend gave me wide eyes from over her shoulder (he was standing behind her) and mouthed, "I'm sorry!" Why? Because that shit is awkward and down right inappropriate. Our friend called some time after they left saying, "Oh my god! I'm so sorry! I have no idea she was one of those people..."

Did I feel bad for her? Sure. I feel bad for you, too. But when you breach that kind of subject unnecessarily with people you don't know very well, it's uncomfortable for them (because it makes them feel bad for you!) and it makes you look like you're unfamiliar with basic social etiquette. So, keep in mind the social ramafications of pulling the rape card in a crowd of strangers.

Lastly, I share my story when it's appropriate and necessary, like a dignified human being. Dignity prevents one from letting the rape flag fly at every opportunity, and it certainly prevents me from throwing it in people's faces as some sort of "proof". Luckily for you, dignity is an acquired skill. ;)

MISS.S

Here we go again, I didnt say put on kid gloves but you write a freaking essay on how to make your sentences longer than actually saying something. My point was....he was already in the juvenile justice system, got sent to a foster home, and as soon as he was 18 he was out again. No jail, no treatment no nothing. So if the choices are the following :
1. charged as an adult with possible jail time. or
2. Juvenile court where he still gets to go home, smoke weed, go to school and live anormal daily live where he checks in with his counselor every now and again.
Obviously the reality is that #2 is not punishment, and #1 is. So if that is the option? I absolutely 100% go with option #1. As proven in my example... the underage person was not punished other than going to a foster home. He was still allowed to come home for extended visits where further instances occurred. Yay for wishing stuff is great and that we have a great juvi ( as we called it growing up because we were around it all the time... i should know) system for handling this type of stuff but we DONT.

That is why they're treated like adults; because of the severity of the crime. As all the parents who supported me stated...and I agree, if that happened to my son or daughter, I would beat and kill the living shit out of that person. Period. END OF STORY. THere would be NO rehabilitation or treatment for the cute nice sweet innocent 14 yr old cops son. NO WAY!
But seriously have some respect for survivors, and if you areally are one , like you say...You would have some respect when someone shares their story. I don't see you having the balls to share it.
And if this truly is about saving the kids... we either change the juvenile justice system, OR we continue to prosecute in adult court.

Athena

Just feel the need to comment that if we should be charging juveniles as such then perhaps we need to reevaluate how they are punished if it doesnt seem like it is harsh enough or a deterent?I am not sure how it works anyway- if a juvenile is charged as an adult, dont they still get released at 21?

Good questions. No, juveniles charged as adults don't get out at 21 still. That's the whole reason for charging them as adults - to get around sentencing caps. As for reevaluating the effectiveness of the juvenile system, you should know that there are myths associated with charging juveniles as adults.

Myth #1: Juveniles charged as adults serve more time.

In fact, while juveniles are sentenced to more time in adult courts, they generally serve - like most offenders - only a fraction of their sentence. This often amounts to LESS time than they would have served in juvie.

Myth #2: Kids sentenced as adults are less likely to reoffend.

Actually, the two studies done on the recidivism rates of juveniles who've been through the adult system found that these kids reoffend sooner AND more often than those who went through the juvenile system.

So, while I do disagree with sentencing caps for the particularly heinous crimes (confirmed sociopaths guilty of multiple murders should not be released at any time, especially not because the juvenile justice system put the limit at 25), there is NO logical reason to sentence kids as adults. It ultimately does more harm than good.

Education and therapy have been proven repeatedly as the most effective means of rehabilitation. Sure, not everyone can be rehabilitated, but A LOT of juveniles CAN. Research shows that the majority of child murders, for example, don't generally reoffend.

AMinFH

Im not getting in the middle of this debate of whether to charge as juveniles or adults...just feel the need to comment that if we should be charging juveniles as such then perhaps we need to reevaluate how they are punished if it doesnt seem like it is harsh enough or a deterent? I am not sure how it works anyway- if a juvenile is charged as an adult, dont they still get released at 21? Nathaniel Abraham was the youngest person charged as an adult (for murder he committed at age 11.) He supposedly functioned at a level 3-4 years younger than his age due to diminished mental capacity. What would be the alternative to charging a juvenile as such- a lesser punishment/no punishment? Any ideas???

Rockin Ma

Randall John Moye, 14; Raymond A. Price-Murray, 14; Lee Louis Myers, 14; and Diemante J. Roberts, 15, were arrested at the school Wednesday on sexual battery and false imprisonment charges.
On April 30, Hillsborough County sheriff's deputies say Moye and Myers pinned the victim on a locker room floor at the school while Roberts and Price-Murray raped him with a broom handle and hockey stick.
The four have been removed from school, although no final decision has been made about their school status.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/may/12/121736/principals-told-be-more-vigilant-following-rape-in/news-breaking/

Athena

MISS.S, didn't you say your attacker was never charged? If so, it had nothing to do with my point, which is that juveniles should be charged as juveniles.

AND…there are no laws currently that appropriately treat and or sentence them to time/treatment …..the ONLY other option is Adult Jail.

Hey! You finally made a point that actually counters MY point! Of course, I'll refer you back to my intial post where I state the answer to this is bolstering juvenile sentencing, not charging kids as adults.

As for the rest, spare me the pity party. If you want to throw your experience in my face to "prove a point" in a hostile manner, there are consequences. What, because you were victimized as a kid, I'm supposed to handle you with kid gloves even though you're being blatantly snotty to me simply for having a different opinion? Fuck that. You're an adult, I'm an adult, and you should know by now that pulling punches and then hiding behind your victimization is a cheap tactic.

I was victimized as a child and, not only do I not detail the experience for total strangers, I certainly don't expect people to treat me differently after they hear it.

But to perpetrate?????? That takes a driving force. My opinion - the driving force of evil. Does anyone who has a child disagree?

While I don't really subscribe to the concepts of "good and evil" as they relate to the human condition, I do generally agree, and it doesn't take having kids to see that something is seriously wrong with these boys. At least one of them is heinously mean-spirited and abusive. The rest of them are followers. My point is that, in the juvenile system, there may still be hope for the followers. If they spend any significant amount of time in the adult system, however - a system notorious for turning criminals into even better criminals - these followers will undoubtedly find individuals even worse than this ring leader to follow.

Children and the adult justice system are no more compatible than women and urinals. It wasn't designed for them, it won't account for the very obvious differences between them and it's unlikely to result in a productive experience.

proudmom3boys

what a sad situation for all involved.... the victim will spend years recovering frm this if he recovers at all...
kids can be so cruel..

ecvmanzo

I agree with you too, SumrLilli. I have 3 sons and if one of them was attacked like this boy, my momma claws would most definitely come out. Not to say it would make the situation better, cause it would not. But that would be my reaction.

Two years ago, I was called by my son's middle school to inform me that he was attacked by a group of boys at random. It was about 9:45 am, and the incident had occurred at 7:45ish am. My son's face was swollen, his nose was fractured, and the side of his head was bleeding and swollen. He hadn't received any medical attention, now were the authorities called.

When I showed up at the school, like a bat straight out of hell, I find out that he was attacked by a group of boys that were initiating another in their street gang. To make a long damn story short, I went to town on several people, and boy's mom included. Now granted it's not sodomizing, but had it been that, I would be featured on the Dreamin Demon for sure!

2 boys mom in NC

SumrLilli:
I have an 11 year old son. I have a friend whose 14 year old son was sodomized by team mates as a “hazing” incident. I have given this subject a lot of thought.
The sexuality of the boys is irrelevant. The whole age factor is irrelevant. If anyone sodomized my son AGAINST HIS WILL - in a group or otherwise - AT ANY AGE, I cannot tell you what I would do to them.
An unwelcome sodomy is a violation that cannot be compared to an unlawful seduction.
I’d be pissed if someone overage seduced my son - very pissed.
But sodomized him against his will???????????????
Really, so kids have been exposed to that behavior……… Desensitized…………..
Ok, I can buy that. Maybe it’s not as hard to watch as it once was.
But to perpetrate?????? That takes a driving force.
My opinion - the driving force of evil.
Does anyone who has a child disagree?

Don't disagree at all. I have two boys myself. I'd kill right now for either of them. But you know what, if one of my sons ever did something like this I do believe I would beat the shit out of him before I put his ass in a mental ward to see what the fuck was wrong with him.
Awful situation all the damn way around!

Lucy

MISS.S - Although there are many opinions shared on this blog (many different from your own), I would encourage you to continue to share. You are correct, there are many survivors that share on this website and I encourage you to bring real life experience and feelings to the table. Your voice and others, hopefully, will re-sensitize (if that is a word) these cases. Anyway just don't want you to get too discouraged. Your thoughts and opinions matter!

SumrLilli

I have an 11 year old son. I have a friend whose 14 year old son was sodomized by team mates as a "hazing" incident. I have given this subject a lot of thought.

The sexuality of the boys is irrelevant. The whole age factor is irrelevant. If anyone sodomized my son AGAINST HIS WILL - in a group or otherwise - AT ANY AGE, I cannot tell you what I would do to them.

An unwelcome sodomy is a violation that cannot be compared to an unlawful seduction.

I'd be pissed if someone overage seduced my son - very pissed.

But sodomized him against his will???????????????

Really, so kids have been exposed to that behavior......... Desensitized..............

Ok, I can buy that. Maybe it's not as hard to watch as it once was.

But to perpetrate?????? That takes a driving force.

My opinion - the driving force of evil.

Does anyone who has a child disagree?

MISS.S

Actually ya know what? I don't need to be insulted for my life. This is what happened and for you to say what you did personally offends me. I won't come here anymore. I gave my opinion and my experience. If this is how you treat people who share their story this is obviously not the place for me. Have a good day bashing rape survivors.. I guess if that makes your day KUDOS to you!

MISS.S

It also makes me sad how you treat survivors of sexual assault by insulting them while they share their story. The voice of so many of the children we see on this site.

MISS.S

Athena: Not only are you clearly an intellectual-hater, you’re one of those people that gives out WAY too much personal information. Awesome. Perhaps you care to note that the word “innocent” did not appear in any of my posts prior to this one. At no point did I assert that these boys were innocent, or even that they should not get punished. I simply maintain that juveniles should be charges as juveniles and adults should be charged as adults. I apologize if my “fancy words” confused you. So, while you’re busy grossly misunderstanding me, I’ll point out the fact that, as unfortunate as your experience was, it doesn’t apply to every offender and it certainly doesn’t apply to this case.

Was age not the discussion? Particularly the age of the Offender, and your position which is juvenile justice? Um ok lets see, my case: juvenile offender....... age 12..... ok check and check. So as both instances had an underage offender how does this not apply?AND...there are no laws currently that appropriately treat and or sentence them to time/treatment .....the ONLY other option is Adult Jail. So how does this not apply if to the exact topic?
If you're upset that I proved you wrong its ok to walk away with your tail between your legs...you don't have to quote the WHOLE article people CAN read.

Athena

My point was , and as much fancy words you put in between it will never change… that 14 yr olds are not innocent little babies. They are walking, talking, breathing People. Not infants, not innocents. They are until they start deviant behavior. Since your stance is that you are more accurate let me school you on something.
At the age of 6 i was raped by a 12 yr old. YES a 12 yr old. This continued on up till the age of 16…by a 22yr old. So do not tell ME at 12 this person was an innocent…someone who should be forgiven because they were 12.
This person grew up to be a counselor at a home for challenged girls, in the foster care system. Think about that….no record of any sex offenses …..and he’ s in the care of OVERNIGHT…underage girls. Now if you think for ONE minute that at the age of 14 that they will not CONTINUE to either rape, rob, control, or terrify someone else YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. So your comment about being correct in fact is off base, and MY FACTS have proven you wrong. This begins in early age, murderers start of killing animals as children, and rapists start off with control and terrorizing as a “starter-crime”. Do you see now why I don’t care about your “statistics”? Because I AM a statistic. And do you know what happened to this person who raped me for 10 years? NOTHING because he was a MINOR when it was reported. So he raped me for the next few years until I stopped it when I stood up and refused to let this go on. And do you know what CPS did? NOTHING NOT A THING. So go ahead tell me how I am wrong and 14 yr olds are innocent again?

Not only are you clearly an intellectual-hater, you're one of those people that gives out WAY too much personal information. Awesome.

Perhaps you care to note that the word "innocent" did not appear in any of my posts prior to this one. At no point did I assert that these boys were innocent, or even that they should not get punished. I simply maintain that juveniles should be charges as juveniles and adults should be charged as adults. I apologize if my "fancy words" confused you. So, while you're busy grossly misunderstanding me, I'll point out the fact that, as unfortunate as your experience was, it doesn't apply to every offender and it certainly doesn't apply to this case.

MISS.S

And also, don't make me go over the PAIN, EMBARASSMENT, HUMILIATION, DEPRESSION, SELF BLAMING, SELF HATRED, AND THE PHYSICAL PAIN that this little 13 yr old boy went through. There is NOTHING that we can do to remove that. And the only compensation for the damage that is done; is JAIL TIME!

Abroad

Kalehue:
Pretty sad that three of those kids are so lacking in self-esteem that they’d go along with something like this, but I’ll bet this assessment is right on the money.

Lacking in self esteem? Worried they could be next, more likely.

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