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KATY, Texas – A 12-year-old girl waited for her father to go to bed, then took a gun and shot him in the back of the head. This incident occurred after an argument between the two. She has been transferred to Harris County Juvenile Detention Center and initially charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Mark A. Nelson, 38, later died at the hospital so these charges will probably get upgraded to murder.

The girl is a 7th-grader at Cardiff Junior High School and lived with her father and step-mother. Reports and rumors are coming through telling a story of a girl who was suffering some form of abuse from her father and was unable to find any help. Well, until Wednesday. Gabrielle Young, 18, told reporters that the girl often came over with bruises on her adding, “I saw him yelling at her a lot,” Young said of the the father, “and she hated going home. When he showed up, her whole mood would change.

LOTS of comments going on within the source news articles. All speculation and rumors of course, but initially everything seems to point at a young girl who took a quick route out of a seemingly desperate situation and not some type of psycho who killed their dad because he wouldn’t let her play outside. We will continue to update as more information come in.

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  • silvahalo

    “Sometimes (the father) came across as a very nice person, but you never know what is happening behind closed doors,” Young said.
    Completely agree with that statement. Hard to know what really goes on behind closed doors, though friends said they often saw bruises on her and saw them fighting. I’m getting the feeling there is much more going on here that will come to light. A 12 year old girl just doesn’t shoot her father over a simple disagreement or argument, I had plenty of those and never considered offing my dad.

    I’ll be interested in reading more on this one. We’ve read plenty on young boys doing this kind of thing, now here we have a girl.
    Wow, the world we live in….

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

    I love how, when a 12 year old girl waits for the father to go to bed then shoots him in the back of the head, we’re all quick to assume there was some form of abuse. But when a 12 year old boy does the exact same thing to his dad’s girlfriend, we’re ready to lock the kid up and throw away the key. Ahhh… double standards.

    I’m looking forward to more details on this one, certainly.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Athena: I love how, when a 12 year old girl waits for the father to go to bed then shoots him in the back of the head, we’re all quick to assume there was some form of abuse.But when a 12 year old boy does the exact same thing to his dad’s girlfriend, we’re ready to lock the kid up and throw away the key.Ahhh… double standards.I’m looking forward to more details on this one, certainly.

    I don’t think anyone is quick to assume anything in this case (but I agree with your overall comment). It is being stated so by people who knew the girl. I didn’t post the exact statements in the article because they are completely unfounded.

  • nadine

    Athena, I truly agree with you in that statement how quickly to judge on different xex types…….. I am also going to wait to hear more on this one.

  • Absynthe

    nadine: Athena, I truly agree with you in that statement how quickly to judge on different xex types…….. I am also going to wait to hear more on this one.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

    I don’t think anyone is quick to assume anything in this case.

    I disagree. Not even halfway into the initial article, there’s the “you never know what’s happening behind closed doors,” statement. There was none of that in the stories about the boy, that I came across. Then you’ve got statements like, “A 12 year old girl just doesn’t shoot her father over a simple disagreement or argument…” But the boy was labeled a psychopath before we even heard anything about his home-life.

    There is a clear double-standard, and I anticipate it doing nothing but widening as this story develops.

  • sarabei

    Athena: I disagree. Not even halfway into the initial article, there’s the “you never know what’s happening behind closed doors,” statement.There was none of that in the stories about the boy, that I came across.Then you’ve got statements like, “A 12 year old girl just doesn’t shoot her father over a simple disagreement or argument…” But the boy was labeled a psychopath before we even heard anything about his home-life.There is a clear double-standard, and I anticipate it doing nothing but widening as this story develops.

    Maybe I read the article wrong, but apparently she showed signs of abuse.  I don’t think the boy did?

  • sarabei

    I also think this supports my argument that children know more and comprehend more than adults want to give them credit for.  I think they understand “dead” just fine.  I, too, anxiously await more about this case.

  • buggysmommy

    Hmmm…Seems to be very sordid.

    Maybe she is just a hateful little bitch that probably didn’t like the dynamic of the step mom business…or she couldn’t go to the mall. I don’t always assume abuse in these cases, it is too widely “used” is you will, in these types of situations. Some kids are just evil, hateful little fuckers. Maybe she is one of them…Besides, if there was any type of abuse-would the stepmom have piped up and said something or stopped it? Did she join in? And if she did join in, why didn’t the girl kill her?

    At least with that boy, it was clear that his motive was jealousy since she was having his daddy’s baby. Just a thought…

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Athena: There is a clear double-standard.

    I never said there wasn’t. That double-standard, in regards to being male or female, is apparent in almost every story we post here.

  • silvahalo

    Athena: I love how, when a 12 year old girl waits for the father to go to bed then shoots him in the back of the head, we’re all quick to assume there was some form of abuse.But when a 12 year old boy does the exact same thing to his dad’s girlfriend, we’re ready to lock the kid up and throw away the key.Ahhh… double standards.I’m looking forward to more details on this one, certainly.

    Actually Athena, I always think abuse physical and or sexual is possible in all cases, male or female. We see time and time again, it just doesn’t matter if its a girl or boy, both are subject to the same type of cruelty and abuse. The case of  the boy who killed his father and friend, that is actually the first thing I thought, I don’t think that’s just me either….I hope.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

    I never said there wasn’t. That double-standard, in regards to being male or female, is apparent in almost every story we post here.

    I was suggesting that the double standard is what makes people quick to assume. But, no matter. I could have phrased it more clearly. It disturbs me that girls are given more benefit of the doubt in cases like this than boys are. They’re children, for god’s sake. Until we’ve got a clear picture, they should ALL get the benefit of the doubt.

    The girl apparently had bruises and someone suggests she didn’t like going home. Signs of abuse? When I was 12, I was covered in bruises as an athlete, and I don’t think ANY 12 year old jumps for joy when they have to go home after playing with friends. Do you know how horoscopes work? When most people read them after their day, they subconsciously work the details of their day to fit the horoscope. “Signs of abuse” can be very much like that.

    I appreciate the fact that Morbid emphasized the “rumors” aspect in this story. What people are inferring by saying that the girl’s mood changed when she had to go home and “who knows what happened behind closed doors” is pure conjecture. They’re working the details in an attempt to fit the resulting situation. The fact that they said the victim was nice and was often seen outside playing basketball with the girl is more concrete than any of that.

    My only point was to observe the baseless double standard. Sorry if I confused anyone. And, Silva, I didn’t mean to make an example of you. I know you’re more considerate than most. :)

  • CassieMomma

    If this girl shot her father in cold blood then I stand by my beliefs that she cannot be rehabilitated.  No double standards for me   :)  Regardless, she still shot him while he was asleep, there had to be another way.  Awaiting updates….

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

    Cassie! You’re killin’ me today, ma! ;)

    The vast majority of juveniles who murder never re-offend, even for minor crimes. So, whether you believe they can be rehabilitated or not, the fact is they ARE being rehabilitated (I call it “growing up” when it pertains to 12 year olds)… in droves.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Athena: They’re children, for god’s sake. Until we’ve got a clear picture, they should ALL get the benefit of the doubt.

    That I agree with.

    Interesting statistic:

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    Obviously, a father is least likely to be killed by their daughter. Hell, either parent actually.But notice with females, the age group of the daughter when it is most likely to happen.

  • Kalehue

    I understand Athena’s point.  I think we’ve seen the double standard frequently in many different types of criminal cases such as the teacher-student sex abuse cases.  Used to be if it was a nice-looking female teacher and a male student, many thought the kid just got lucky and seemed to want to minimize the crime.  I truly think that attitude is changing as we see more of those kinds of cases.  I’m guessing it would be the same with a kid killing a parent.  If we started to see enough of them, I think the we’d see less of a double standard applied.  Hopefully that won’t be the case.

    I am sorry for any child trapped in an abusive situation, but murder is not the way out of it.  I think we need to make it a point to children that they can safely approach their counselors at school about anything.  Sadly, as we’ve seen all too frequently, getting counselors and CPS involved doesn’t necessarily mean that their situation will change for the better, either.

    This will definitely be an interesting case to follow.

  • CassieMomma

    Sorry I just can’t get past the murder conviction and I wouldn’t feel comfortable around them at any time.  Normal kids don’t just take someone’s life, I believe there is something wrong/off and it doesn’t go away.   I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree again.  :)

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Athena

    Obviously, a father is least likely to be killed by their daughter. Hell, either parent actually. But notice with females, the age group of the daughter when it is most likely to happen.

    Oh, sure. I would normally let the statistics guide my bias. Generally, boys are far more likely to kill their parents. But at the individual level, either is just as capable. I’m more wary about using generalities to judge children, I guess.

    Looks like 15,16.17. Incidentally, that’s roughly the same time kids are most likely to be victimized themselves. That aside – call me dense, but what are you asserting?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    CassieMomma: Normal kids don’t just take someone’s life

    I don’t think “normal” is the best description to place on an an abused kid, or their situation.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Athena: Looks like 15,16.17. Incidentally, that’s roughly the same time kids are most likely to be victimized themselves. That aside – call me dense, but what are you asserting?

    Nothing. Just an interesting fact.

  • CassieMomma

    Morbid:
    I don’t think “normal” is the best description to place on an an abused kid, or their situation.

    You took me out of context.  I wasn’t talking about this story (and honestly we still aren’t sure this girl was abused), I was talking about normal kids (for example the 13 year old who shot his stepmom) who aren’t abused and commit a violent crime.  If a kid is indeed abused I have smypathy, but still feel like there are other ways out.  Unless of course it is self defense

  • Special2bme

    Athena: But when a 12 year old boy does the exact same thing to his dad’s girlfriend, we’re ready to lock the kid up and throw away the key. Ahhh… double standards.

    Your right. I want to hear more and would like to know for SURE if she was abused.

  • Dakota Valkyrie

    CassieMomma: ….Normal kids don’t just take someone’s life, I believe there is something wrong/off and it doesn’t go away…

    I don’t think normal adults just take someone’s life, either.

  • CassieMomma

    Dakota Valkyrie:
    I don’t think normal adults just take someone’s life, either.

    I agree and I wouldn’t feel safe around them either.

  • MadeaBecBec

    I have to ask, Does anyone know where the bio-mom is?

  • Unamused Cat

    MadeaBecBec: I have to ask, Does anyone know where the bio-mom is?

    Odd,  there has been no mention of the mother.   The father has an arrest record, assault and several misdemeanors in the ’90s.

  • Friday

    NOBODY KILLS NOBODY for no reason.

    Sorry,I wrote this after I read CassieMomma’s post. I agree with her.

  • Friday

    In  response to my post above.
    CassieMomma says:
    April 30, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Sorry I just can’t get past the murder conviction and I wouldn’t feel comfortable around them at any time.  Normal kids don’t just take someone’s life, I believe there is something wrong/off and it doesn’t go away.   I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree again. 

  • 2 boys mom in NC

    Shit, I have 2 boys and tomorrow I’m going to Walmart and buy a safe to put all of the sharp knives in every night!  (don’t got no gun…)

  • JessicaR

    This one hits close to home b/c this neighborhood is maybe 15 minutes from my house and I have a daughter in the 7th grade.   From what I’ve heard on the news, this girl was a straight A student and active in track, volleyball, and basketball.  So far she doesn’t fit the profile of a kid who has issues and snapped.  My gut tells me that she took matters into her own hands and said enough-is-enough.  Whether she was freeing herself from abuse or is a psychopath someone in her life failed to recognize signs of trouble.

  • knotme

    My husband and I invited his ex-wife’s 16 yr.old daughter into our home many years ago because she kept calling us to come get her because she didn’t like living where she was.  I was very pregnant at the time, but he and I drove all the way to Texas from Tenn. to get her.  Boy, were we suckers!  The girl got caught dealing drugs within a month and was sneaking out of the house in the night to hang with her boyfriend at the pool hall where she later claims she was ‘ganged raped’.  When we tried to force her to walk the line, we find her boyfriend in our front yard with a shotgun demanding “her release”!  We let her go… end of story.  Within a year, she quit school, got pregnant, quit her job and we never saw her again.  The cops came to our house to return her purse which had drugs in it.
    Some kids are just determined to be bad.  Bruises aren’t proof of anything without witnesses.  I’m keeping my judgement open on this one.

  • Castille

    There is probably a double standard.  But let’s be fair – the woman who was killed by her step-son was heavily pregnant, and offing a hugely pregnant woman is going to get you more far more harshly and quickly judged than killing a guy with a criminal record.  That’s before we even consider the gender of the shooter.  So this seems a little bit apples-to-oranges as a comparison between how a preteen girl shooter is judged in the court of public opinion vs. a preteen boy. 

    I think it’s certainly true that people seem much more threatened by boys at earlier ages than girls, and demand much more vociferously that they be tried as adults rather than still seeing them as children, though.  And while this isn’t fair…  men are always going to be regarded as more threatening in nature as a group than women are, even if a woman in question has committed heinous crimes.  Not an unfounded bias, considering crime statistics, however.  Sucks that it impacts boys who are still so clearly children though. 

  • Moonlight

    Ah the joys of having a gun in the house… ;) Useful little things, huh?

  • Radly

    A little while back, there was a boy (14 I think) that killed his father.
    The look on his face was devastating because you could see in his eyes that something Horrible had gone on in that home and the only way to protect his siblings and himself was to kill him.

    This also reminds me of a boy I went to school with. His dad would get so angry in front of the teachers. It would get so bad that the 7 year old boy would be lifted by the arm at least a few feet off the ground while crying. It happened pretty often, too.

    I was so scared when this happened because I would wonder what would happen to him when he got home, not to mention what the dad would do if we told him to stop.
    The teachers never said or did a thing. Private school fuckers probably didn’t want the dad to pull the kid out of school due to the fact that he was willing to pay over 6 grand for every year. This was like 11 years ago.

  • Meredith

    ur like the bad girl

  • Meredith54

    i agree ur right some kids are just plain evil

  • Meredith54

    wow ur weird

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YPKUT5H5P2IOVZ34ZTLHXFJ6YA Edward Burns

    If the father was abusing his 12year old daughter why didn”t the step mother help daughter by calling the police and having him arrested if the step mother or friends and other family help her she wouldn”t have happen its sad to see a 12yearold child go to jail

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