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qx5380 Jeffrey Sollman Shook Things Up

Jeffrey M. Sollman (MyspaceMySpaceMySpace)

Decatur, IL–Sometimes it sucks to be the bearer of bad news all the time, especially on a Monday…but I have discovered yet another asshole who deserves to have his face and story forever plastered on the Dreamin’ Demon. Meet Jeffrey Sollman: Baby Shaker Extrordinnaire.

When Jeffrey’s wife, Laura Sollman, walked in the door after work Wednesday evening, Jeffrey told her that he had hurt their baby, 6-month-old Caden. He mentioned to his wife that he may have ‘jerked’ Caden to hard and she better take the baby to the hospital post-haste.

Little Caden was in bad shape…he was unresponsive. After his mother took him to St. Mary’s Hospital, he was immediately flown St. Francis in Peoria. An assessment revealed he was suffering severe bleeding on the brain and brain swelling, which are consistent with sustained, violent shaking. Caden was placed on life support.

When questioned, Jeffrey told investigators that Caden had been fussy all day Wednesday; he wasn’t eating and he wasn’t napping. Jeffrey stated ‘he was seated on a couch feeding Caden and placed the boy next to him before grabbing the baby by the sides under his armpits.’ Growing increasingly frustrated with the child, Jeffrey forcefully put Caden against his shoulder, walked him to his crib, and laid him down. He said he left the child alone for about 5 minutes before returning to check on him. Caden was lethargic and breathing differently.

Jeffrey tried to soothe the child and watched over him to see if his condition improved. It didn’t…but Jeffrey kept his hopes up. Then, instead of calling 911, or his wife, or even a fuckin’ neighbor, Jeffrey decided to take the dying baby for a ride. He figured he should spend time with Caden in case it was their last day together and also because he thought the lake might soothe the boy. You know, I have heard some stupid shit in my life, but damn. Jeffrey admitted during his interview that he injured Caden but would not state what he actually did to cause the injuries.

Jeffrey was arrested Wednesday evening and charged with aggravated battery to a child. On Thursday morning, his bond was set at $250,000. Caden died on Thursday. Jeffrey Sollman, 38,  is now being charged with first-degree murder. His bond has been raised to $2 million. Rot, fucker.

UnamusedCat is covering this one in our forums.

Comments

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  1. Dneilz
    6:34 am on March 9th, 2009

    Stupid piece of shit.

  2. HotReadingMama
    7:18 am on March 9th, 2009

    Wow. The taking him for a drive part just rendered me…speechless.

  3. Special2bme
    7:32 am on March 9th, 2009

    When Jeffrey’s wife, Laura Sollman, walked in the door after work Wednesday evening, Jeffrey told her that he had hurt their baby, 6-month-old Caden. He mentioned to his wife that he may have ‘jerked’ Caden to hard and she better take the baby to the hospital post-haste.

    More like SHOOKED you JERK, FUCK HEAD! WTF, You know how to drive why couldn’t your ass take the baby to the hospital post-haste.

  4. bahaley4e
    7:38 am on March 9th, 2009

    Im …………. speachless………

  5. Kimberix
    8:06 am on March 9th, 2009

    Stupid piece of shit.

    says it all right there.

  6. captainhowdy
    8:10 am on March 9th, 2009

    What a fucking idiot. His excuses for not getting help are ridiculous. You know he was just trying to keep himself from getting caught as long as possible. If he was remorseful, he’d admit to what he did. Fucking baby-murdering waste of skin.

  7. tutkill
    10:08 am on March 9th, 2009

    wondering what he was thinking about the lake? Baby drowned? wonder boy trying to cover his ass?

  8. biteme
    11:29 am on March 9th, 2009

    What a fucking idiot. His excuses for not getting help are ridiculous. You know he was just trying to keep himself from getting caught as long as possible. If he was remorseful, he’d admit to what he did. Fucking baby-murdering waste of skin.

    It’s always me first with these assholes or they wouldn’t be assholes to begin with

  9. FlamingFox
    11:52 am on March 9th, 2009

    It’s always me first with these assholes or they wouldn’t be assholes to begin with

    Perfectly said!

  10. Insomniac
    12:25 pm on March 9th, 2009

    This douchebag will be someone’s bitch in prison.

  11. thismomrocksx3
    12:27 pm on March 9th, 2009

    Hi all! I am new to this site and don’t know how many more of these stories I can stomach! What the hell is wrong with these people? Hurting an innocent, DEFENSELESS child due to their inability to cope….I have 3 children, a job and go to school full time. I have never thought of hurting my babies!

    There is a special place in hell for these assholes! RIP baby boy…you will be missed!

  12. FlamingFox
    1:25 pm on March 9th, 2009

    Hi all! I am new to this site and don’t know how many more of these stories I can stomach! What the hell is wrong with these people? Hurting an innocent, DEFENSELESS child due to their inability to cope….I have 3 children, a job and go to school full time. I have never thought of hurting my babies!

    Hi and welcome! I understand what you’re saying and it is difficult reading these stories every day. I hope you stay and even pay a visit to the forums. You’ll find there’s a lot of great threads and fun going on in there and it can become addicting. I find that the forums help alleviate some of strain one feels from reading about these asshats on a daily basis. Mostly because we have some of our most hilarious members posting in there and I have learned not to drink while reading their posts unless I want it coming out of my nose. :)

  13. Abroad
    3:31 pm on March 9th, 2009

    Jeffrey tried to soothe the child and watched over him to see if his condition improved. It didn’t…but Jeffrey kept his hopes up. Then, instead of calling 911, or his wife, or even a fuckin’ neighbor, Jeffrey decided to take the dying baby for a ride. He figured he should spend time with Caden in case it was their last day together and also because he thought the lake might soothe the boy. You know, I have heard some stupid shit in my life, but damn. Jeffrey admitted during his interview that he injured Caden but would not state what he actually did to cause the injuries.

    Who else thinks he was desperately trying to come up with a likely scenario that involved the child tragically dying in an accident with no blame on him during this final car-ride? If he had had anything else on his mind he would have driven the freakin’ car to the hospital!

    Loser!!

  14. RunecirE
    3:49 pm on March 9th, 2009

    There is a special place in hell for these assholes! RIP baby boy…you will be missed!

    Yes, It’s called the Seventh Circle, if your up on your Dante, and its for Betrayers like Judas and Mark Antony and so forth.

    I choose to banish all family members, friends, teachers, etc. to this Circle when they have betrayed the trust of a child, and this man is no different. They have earned their way in when they abuse, murder, maim, etc OR when they witness such atrocities and do or say nothing about it.

    Welcome to DD, thismom. I hope your stay will be long, if not pleasant. Feel free to hit the archives, if your soul can handle it. Some of the worst-of-the-worst can be found there, as well as some of the most famous. Zip over to the Forums for some real interaction.

  15. RunecirE
    3:54 pm on March 9th, 2009

    Who else thinks he was desperately trying to come up with a likely scenario that involved the child tragically dying in an accident with no blame on him during this final car-ride? If he had had anything else on his mind he would have driven the freakin’ car to the hospital!

    Pretty sad scenario, but I have to agree with you. Methinks he was trying for a drowning scheme but chickened out. Autopsy would have found the true cause anyway. Drowning doesn’t hide bleeding to the brain.

    RIP little Angel. Time to take your place over your momma. She’ll need you.

  16. MadeaBecBec
    3:56 pm on March 9th, 2009

    This was Solmans first blog on his myspace…..

    Thursday, May 31, 2007
    Dirt
    I have learned one thing in the last few months, we are a dirty race. I used to put people close to me up on a pedistal, i thought they were better than me. Especially when they call themselves christian. When i saw them in their element i was dissapointed, hurt, confused… How can we tell eachother how to live, then go out and do exactly what it is we despise. People are dirty, and raw, and none of us are any better than a crack whore who sells her body for a fix, at least she’s honest. I dont hate people, i just see them for who they are. The dirt in my life has cost me the woman i love, and trying to clean it will never help. All any of us can do is try to live each day honestly, try to keep out of the dirt, and when your loved one falls, lift them up, if you truly love them, see past the dirt, after all, we are only human.

    Now to Jeffrey, Why didn’t you call someone to come help for a while, if you were feeling frustrated and overwhelmed? Why not take that drive before you hurt that poor Little defenseless baby? You Mr. AssClown are the one that is dirty and raw and incapable of controlling your temper….

    God, take Sweet Caden in your arms and show him the love that he did not receive from his earthly father, allow Caden a peaceful rest, Amen!

  17. Abroad
    3:57 pm on March 9th, 2009

    Pretty sad scenario, but I have to agree with you. Methinks he was trying for a drowning scheme but chickened out. Autopsy would have found the true cause anyway. Drowning doesn’t hide bleeding to the brain.

    I wonder whether a traffic accident would have worked? If he hadn’t been too afraid for his own precious skin to drive his car into the path of an on-coming semi, that is?

  18. RunecirE
    4:12 pm on March 9th, 2009

    I wonder whether a traffic accident would have worked? If he hadn’t been too afraid for his own precious skin to drive his car into the path of an on-coming semi, that is?

    I think he would have been to much of a coward for that. Maybe belted in tight and hitting a phone pole? Less chance of self injury, but how would he explain losing control?

  19. Abroad
    4:22 pm on March 9th, 2009

    A white dog ran across the road? I gather police men joke about a ubiquitous white dog that causes the majority of the single vehicle accidents……

    But would hitting a telephone pole have made injuries to a child similar to what little Caden had?

  20. RunecirE
    4:38 pm on March 9th, 2009

    But would hitting a telephone pole have made injuries to a child similar to what little Caden had?

    If the seat was a face-forward and he hit at enough speed…it could give a sufficient jolt to the childs brain. However, if the autopsy showed bruising and bleeding to the rear of the cranium cavity, then NO, probably not. All speculation, of course.

  21. AMinFH
    5:01 pm on March 9th, 2009

    Who is the child on his MS profile? Its obviously not Caden…RIP sweet child.

    This guy is a fucking moron loser. I hope enjoys getting shook up and passed around in prison. I hope he hears the cry of baby Caden, that he replays that scene over and over, that it torments him all his days and nights.

  22. So Jaded
    8:11 pm on March 9th, 2009

    Who is the child on his MS profile? Its obviously not Caden…RIP sweet child.

    He has a 5-year-old daughter that doesn’t live with him.

  23. Uvgottabkiddin
    9:52 pm on March 9th, 2009

    He has a 5-year-old daughter that doesn’t live with him.

    I wonder why?

  24. mom_of_Kelli
    11:00 pm on March 9th, 2009

    his blogs and lack of pictures on his myspace of baby Caden, say a lot about this baby killer.

  25. Shizz
    11:27 pm on March 9th, 2009

    I want to stomp on his fucking head.

  26. StrangerDanger
    3:07 am on March 10th, 2009

    First clue of him being a douche is that fucking shirt. Jebus!

    I have a daughter about his sons age laying next to me right now. Smiling at me any time our eyes meet.

    Do this guy a favor, and shoot him in the back of the head. If he doesn’t want to die, he has no soul and should be put down anyway.

  27. mipmop
    6:29 pm on March 10th, 2009

    I am Flabergasted FUKIN PEICE OF SHIT i hope they fuk you to death in prison you FUK!!!

  28. lostlilgirl
    9:31 pm on March 10th, 2009

    Stupid fucking piece of shit. Rot in HELLLLLL!

    RIP baby Caden, no one can hurt you now.

  29. mrsjohann
    4:01 pm on March 11th, 2009

    As Laura’s cousin i can tell you we agree with everything you said here. And personally I believe in vigilanty justice. And please keep laura in your prayers.

  30. Itsmebrady00
    2:05 pm on March 14th, 2009

    A website dedicated to the degradation of those who make, or have made mistakes.

    I am Caden’s Uncle, brother-in-law to the man who killed my nephew. It is saddening and discouraging to see such hateful words and comments about a situation that has directly impacted my life, and the lives of those I love most.

    This is an experience that has humbled me, both as a future husband and father. Most of the people here leaving comments I hope are fathers, mothers, husbands, and/or wives. I hope every one who has commented negatively about my family’s situation is spotless (by the way, you’re not.) And I’m not. I have no hate in my heart, and neither does the mother of Caden, my older sister. Some of the words in this forum represent hate, and to an extent, utter disgust. “Drive in to a semi”, “Rot in Hell”… I love how some people here are proposing scenarios that may have helped Jeffrey’s situation post shaking. Come on…

    What happened, happened. No matter what is said, none of you are promoting forgiveness, or the avoidances of things like this happening again. Do the world a favor, and instead of searching for stories to comment on, work on making your own story beneficial to the ethical and moral society. Work on helping those who are susceptible to doing the same things my brother-in- law did. I have no answer for why Jeffrey did the things he did, and neither do any of you. The answer is forgiveness.

    Your words serve no justice. The justice is the regret and loneliness Jeffrey will have the rest of his life in prison. And that’s good enough for me. God does forgive, as easily as he forgives those who download music illegaly, or one who lust on pornographic sites, or even those who judge others of sin.

    God Bless every one and I appreciate all of those who are truly praying for my sister and family. Caden was a beautiful boy and he was loved, by all.

  31. Zibarro
    4:23 pm on March 16th, 2009

    itsmebrady00 -

    It’s your place to forgive – afterall, he was your nephew.

    It’s our place to shame – afterall, what your brother-in-law did was shameful.

    Although I am so very sorry for your loss … please don’t come on here judging and proselytizing to us. We don’t all believe in the same “god” or heaven and hell. The more stories like this we read, the harder it becomes to believe there is a “god” that allows it to go on and on and on… infinitely. If there is … I, personally, have no use for him.
    We shame, we cuss, we call names and we damn those responsible because — that’s all we can do. We do this publicly in hopes that anyone who even remotely contemplates treating a child badly will read these stories and THINK before they act. You never know. We may have already stopped someone – or not. But preaching a sermon to us will not change how we feel or how we respond one iota. It won’t change what happened or stop it from happening again, either. And we DO want them all to rot in hell. Whether it’s a hell on earth or a fiery pit – so long as they suffer – as they made others suffer.

    I truly hope your family finds peace – however you need to find it. I am deeply sorry for your loss. Thank you for visiting with us.

    I am sorry for speaking for anyone who doesn’t agree – or offending anyone’s beliefs.

  32. RunecirE
    5:23 pm on March 16th, 2009

    What happened, happened. No matter what is said, none of you are promoting forgiveness, or the avoidances of things like this happening again. Do the world a favor, and instead of searching for stories to comment on, work on making your own story beneficial to the ethical and moral society. Work on helping those who are susceptible to doing the same things my brother-in- law did. I have no answer for why Jeffrey did the things he did, and neither do any of you. The answer is forgiveness.

    I cannot forgive anyone who takes an innocent life, especially that of a child. I am a Foster Parent and a Mentor. I pick up the pieces that people like your brother-in-law leave in their wake. I think you would be surprised how many of us have made life choices to help children and at-risk adults. Why do you think we get so PISSED OFF? No matter how hard we do try, there are always pricks like Jeff to make it more difficult. We will never be out of business, sad to say.

    Finally and more importantly, I am very sorry for your loss. Most of us have lost also, some have even experienced directly what you are going through, either as “friends of” or as “family of” or as victims. There are no words of comfort that could possibly console you if you care as much for this lost child as you say you do. This child is amongst the angels now, and he is hopefully watching over you and yours.

  33. RunecirE
    5:31 pm on March 16th, 2009

    God does forgive, as easily as he forgives those who download music illegaly, or one who lust on pornographic sites, or even those who judge others of sin.

    “Thou shalt not kill”

  34. Abroad
    5:33 pm on March 16th, 2009

    I am sorry for speaking for anyone who doesn’t agree – or offending anyone’s beliefs.

    You spoke for me, Zibarro. Thanks!

  35. Athena
    6:13 pm on March 16th, 2009

    Brady, we are terribly sorry for your loss. Our best wishes are with this child’s mother.

    That said, I hope you will pardon us for having difficulty seeing eye-to-eye with an individual who terms the intentional abuse, failure to obtain medical attention and subsequent death of a child a mere “mistake”. A mistake is an err in judgment caused by either a lack of knowledge or carelessness. This episode was neither. It was quite intentional.

    The bible gives us all sorts of permission to hate evil, which is exactly what we’re doing, here. It says far, far less about forgiveness… and that’s mostly God’s job, anyway.

  36. tutkill
    6:24 pm on March 16th, 2009

    Work on helping those who are susceptible to doing the same things my brother-in- law did. I have no answer for why Jeffrey did the things he did, and neither do any of you.

    Did you help dear ole jeff? Jeff is a baby murderer because he hurt his baby. Not because someone didn’t help him (Jeff). Jeff made his decision, he did not bring the baby to you to watch and ask for help. He didn’t even walk into another room. He didn’t even leave the baby alone and go to a bar. He killed his child-He shook it to death. There isn’t alot to that story.

  37. Itsmebrady00
    7:16 pm on March 16th, 2009

    First.

    Proselytize? Come on… I was not trying to CHANGE or pursuay any beliefs, I was refuting hateful comments and offering my own remarks.

    Second.

    Thou shall not kill… Okay, I agree. Thou shall not murder. That is the extent. And although he did murder an innocent child, the situation is still forgivable (note: forgiveness is universal, has nothing to do with religion.)

    Third.

    The act of murder is typically an act of hate. The same hate that is portrayed when you use phrases like “rot in hell”, “mother fucker”, “piece of shit”… I am dumbfounded by those who ridicule murderers and rapers and child molesters… Why are they the way they are? One reason, because they have hate in their hearts. You dont have to be a freakin’ psychologist to figure out the basics. Live, love, and forgive… You maintain these three and the world becomes a better place to live. Would it suprise those who have since commented that I am not religious? Because I’m not. I am not affiliated with any church nor do I practice religion. But one thing…. Morals teach ethics, ethics do not teach morals.

    Lets all be moral and just give up on judging and shaming those who do wrong. You focus on the wrong and it does nothing but offer opportunities to dwell on problems in this world. And lets all agree, there are way too many problems in this world, like murder. The problem is there are too many talkers and not enough doers. You dont have to pat a person on the back and say “everything is going to be okay”, just because you forgive some one who doesnt deserve it. It’s called mercy. There are many people in this world that if weren’t shown mercy, may have not made an impact, detrimentally.

    I remember there being a martyr a couple thousand years ago when a man was MURDERED for his defense of people like me and my brother-in-law. I think his name was Jesus. Pretty good example. For those who dont believe in Jesus’ existence, umm… use it as a metaphor.

  38. Itsmebrady00
    8:07 pm on March 16th, 2009

    The act of murder is typically an act of hate. The same hate that is portrayed when you use phrases like “rot in hell”, “mother fucker”, “piece of shit”… I am dumbfounded by those who ridicule murderers and rapers and child molesters… Why are they the way they are? One reason, because they have hate in their hearts. You dont have to be a freakin’ psychologist to figure out the basics. Live, love, and forgive… You maintain these three and the world becomes a better place to live. Would it suprise those who have since commented that I am not religious? Because I’m not. I am not affiliated with any church nor do I practice religion. But one thing…. Morals teach ethics, ethics do not teach morals.

  39. tutkill
    8:13 pm on March 16th, 2009

    this is not the mercy or forgiveness for murderers website-

  40. Itsmebrady00
    10:18 pm on March 16th, 2009

    No but thats a great idea… why dont you get on that!

  41. AlwaysInFlyoverCountry
    12:20 am on March 17th, 2009

    I remember there being a martyr a couple thousand years ago when a man was MURDERED for his defense of people like me and my brother-in-law. I think his name was Jesus. Pretty good example. For those who dont believe in Jesus’ existence, umm… use it as a metaphor.

    I am so glad you brought Him up. May I commend to your attention Mark 9:42?

    –Al

  42. Itsmebrady00
    4:59 am on March 17th, 2009

    While we’re on the metaphors, how about Matthew 25:40?

    And then Matthew 5: 44-45; 11:25

    Luke 17: 3-5

    Hebrews 8:12

    1 John 2:9

    Romans 12:19 (its up to God to bring shame, not this site)

    There is a reason for our Justice system… I’m sure it will do enough bringing shame and uncomfort to Jeffrey.

    These are my last comments. I dont believe in a site like this. It’s ethically, morally, and socially degrading. One thing we have in common, we all agree that it is wrong to murder innocent children.

    My sister has a beautiful angel watching over her the rest of her life. What more of a blessing. God Bless!

  43. Zibarro
    5:28 am on March 17th, 2009

    Would it suprise those who have since commented that I am not religious? Because I’m not. I am not affiliated with any church nor do I practice religion. But one thing…. Morals teach ethics, ethics do not teach morals.

    While we’re on the metaphors, how about Matthew 25:40?

    And then Matthew 5: 44-45; 11:25

    Luke 17: 3-5

    Hebrews 8:12

    1 John 2:9

    Romans 12:19 (its up to God to bring shame, not this site)

    My sister has a beautiful angel watching over her the rest of her life. What more of a blessing. God Bless!

    Yep. It would surprise me. No one can claim to be “not religious” and spew bible verses one after another after another … and then close with “God Bless”. It’s obvious you do believe in God – so why are you ashamed to admit it?

    I think you’re just very confused.

    Sorry you don’t like this site. Although it does a lot to shame and curse those who commit these heinous crimes (as do we, the posters) it also does a lot of good. We help each other as well as strangers as often as possible. You may not see it here, but if you took the time to visit the forums … well … I’m sure that’s just too much effort for you. I mean – you’d rather not believe that there could be anything positive that could come from a “site like this”. Just remember – you came looking for us. We didn’t drag you in here kicking and screaming. You are free to stop reading and responding anytime you’d like.

    I wish your family peace and healing. I hope that, whatever you believe in, it will help you all to get through this. Again, I am sorry for your loss.

  44. Itsmebrady00
    6:45 am on March 17th, 2009

    Umm… a theist is not one of religion. Religion is not entirely associated with one God either. So yes, I can claim not to be religious. I can also SPEW Bible verses considering I read the Bible. And I get pretty offended when people use them out of context. I think the literary world would agree. Know your defense twice as well as your offense.

    Oh, and did you read any of those verses? You’ll understand why I posted them.

  45. Lavonna
    7:20 am on March 17th, 2009

    If you want to quote bible verses then don’t forget Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

    You brother-in-law murdered his own son, your nephew and you seem to forgive him and hold no anger toward him… I don’t understand it. He was a 6 month old helpless child that was SHAKENED not loved and hugged but SHAKENED!
    I’m sorry that you are offended by our anger towards your brother in law and I do know that God forgives but to get forgiveness you have to mean it when you ask for it.

  46. Morbid
    7:36 am on March 17th, 2009

    I can also SPEW Bible verses considering I read the Bible. And I get pretty offended when people use them out of context.

    What a coincidence. I get offended when people use them at all. Fucking fortune cookies have better advice and are better written to boot. Here are a few I have collected:

    Much more grows in the garden than that which is planted there.

    You were born with the skill to communicate with people easily.

    You should be able to undertake and complete anything.

    You are going to have some new clothes

    Ignorance never settles a question

  47. Zibarro
    7:45 am on March 17th, 2009

    Umm… a theist is not one of religion. Religion is not entirely associated with one God either. So yes, I can claim not to be religious. I can also SPEW Bible verses considering I read the Bible. And I get pretty offended when people use them out of context. I think the literary world would agree. Know your defense twice as well as your offense.

    Oh, and did you read any of those verses? You’ll understand why I posted them.

    Romans 12:19 (its up to God to bring shame, not this site)

    Romans 12:19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

    Vengeance: Infliction of punishment in return for a wrong committed; retribution.

    Shaming: # To cause to feel shame; put to shame.
    # To bring dishonor or disgrace on.

    Although, technically, you could argue we are “inflicting punishment” – I doubt seriously that it is harming your brother – in – law. Perhaps whatever your “god” has in store will accomplish that. Perhaps not. Seems to me that the “god” or “gods” you pray to are more about coddling these criminals than punishing them.

    “Spew” all the bible verses you can find that may seem to “fit” your position. I’ll never understand. I don’t want to understand how “god” or anyone else can say “It’s O.K. that this happened – as long as the killer is sorry enough.” Fuck that.

  48. Zibarro
    8:05 am on March 17th, 2009

    I can also SPEW Bible verses considering I read the Bible. And I get pretty offended when people use them out of context.

    “Context”? Are you kidding me? What a joke – considering the bible is ALL about interpretation! You get 100 people in a room to discuss the bible and I will guarantee that you will get dissenting opinions on each and every verse you give them. Whether it’s 90/10, 60/40 or even as close as 99/1 – there will always be those who understand things differently than the rest. Politics and religion seem to be the biggest issues where people tend to NOT embrace diversity.

    After you’re dead you can tell me who was right and who was wrong about all of this. Until then, we are BOTH just speculating.

    I get offended when people use the bible to defend despicable behavior.

  49. RunecirE
    8:29 am on March 17th, 2009

    Lets all be moral and just give up on judging and shaming those who do wrong. You focus on the wrong and it does nothing but offer opportunities to dwell on problems in this world.

    Are you looking for Utopia or simply trying to get us off your BIL’s case? We must focus on the problems, how else can we hope to fix them.

    Having Morals means judging, implies judgement…therefore we judge something to be immorall that which goes against our morals. If we do not judge and shame as a society, how can we hope to deter and thus prevent people, such as your BIL, from committing such terrible crimes in the future.

    Bury your head, your non-religious head, in the sand or behind spewn Bible verses or under the rubble left behind by your precious BIL. WE, however, WILL CONTINUE TO CAST THAT RUBBLE AT ALL THOSE WE CONSIDER TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF THIS SOCIETY.

    Oh and, God does not forgive murderers; that is why there is a hell. The Devil will keep him company, but not the Angels.

  50. tutkill
    8:39 am on March 17th, 2009

    From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

    The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

    “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

    If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

    ok-these are just a few verses that deal with killing children in the Bible(just a few-there are many more)

    so itsmebrandy- Jeff only read this part of the Bible? and I guess he took it literally. If your baby cries and offends Jeff and maybe God its ok to kill it.
    Stop the debate-bible verses can be twisted in any direction and used.

    Jeff killed his son and you can’t expect others to forgive him just because you have.

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